Panasonic Lumix S 20-60mm review - my PERFECT zoom range!
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- Why the Lumix S 20-60mm becomes my favourite general lens for L-mount!
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I'm definitely picking one up, at the price, you'd be stupid not to grab one. My only issue with L mount is that most of the lenses are very expensive, I've come from the MFT system and it's a bit of a shock with some of the lens prices. My wife, who does photography is a Sony A platform user and her lenses seem to be more reasonable in costs.
I'm primarily a Pentax shooter. I noticed an Panasonic S5 bundled with this lens and an 85mm f1.8. I really bought it on whim because it was such a good looking deal. The kit lens is really what sold me on the purchase. A perfect range for for a walkabout lens with WR. Panasonics S5 is an amazing Full-Frame camera. I have bought a K&F adapter to mount my Pentax lenses on the L Mount. This is a great system especially for Video which I hope to do in the future. It's a complimentary tool to rum alongside my Pentax gear. A great review 👏 and no regrets in buying into this system 👍 😀
@@johncallis2119 thanks, glad you found it useful! Do check out my Sigma DG DN lens reviews as they're all available in L mount too,
@@cameralabs Will do Gordon. Keep up the good work, your channel is one of the best, giving good advice and well presented. Happy New Year to you.
@@johncallis2119 thanks!
Just wanted to drop a note to say as a non-photographer just getting into photography your videos are amazingly easy to understand for the layman. I've learned so much. Thank you Gordon!
You're welcome!
Gordon, could you do landscaper photographers a favor? Every reviewer, almost across the board, never gets into the sharpness of landscape apertures. It is always wide open sharpness and how much light you can suck in. This is the exact opposite needs of a landscape photographer. I have found that some inexpensive lenses can be almost as sharp, up to being as sharp or sharper than Pro lenses when stopped down to f8-f16. I see legions of Landscape Photographers carrying backpacks stuffed full of fast glass thinking they need the most expensive lenses to get professional quality results. I used to be like this as well. Even if you just do a quick mention of it during your reviews, I think it could ease a great deal of trepidation for many photographers. I now enjoy carrying a very light pack that weighs a fraction of what I used to carry. People who see my photos all say, "Man you must have a real good camera and lenses to get shots like this!" I just grin, agree that I do and enjoy my little secret.
You're absolutely right, and I do try and test most lenses at a variety of apertures. This was a quicker review, so I didn't include them in the video. Please do also check out my lens reviews at cameralabs.com as I often include a bunch of landscape tests at a variety of apertures.
Very intriguing option, thanks for the review. I love the focal range. I don't really need wider than 20. I know there are uses for it - interiors, architecture. But I'm fine with not having an UWA for those scenarios - just take a different photo! I know people like to go wider than 20 for landscape, but I don't need it, plus I kinda don't really like the main way lenses like that tend to be used these days in landscape photography - emphasizing a foreground shrub or something or puddle. Not for me. On the other hand, zooms that are 24mm at the widest are a continual frustration because 24mm isn't wide enough so you're forced into at least 2 lenses. I'd rather cover 20ish to long normal or short tele. I would use that a lot, basically 90%. Then you get a couple of fast and/or character primes. Add something like a 100-400, and you could be all set. With Sony you could go Tamron 28-75/2.8 plus Sony 20mm/1.8. That's actually pretty great too, and versatile. But I think I like this option better.
I'm getting more excited about the L mount every day. If they release a super telephoto lens, I'll buy into this system.
There is one made by sigma! Because Sigma, Panasonic and Leica share the system, all the lenses perform as a native lens on all the cameras!
My fave for street, travel and landscape photography. Tack sharp, beautiful colors and great autofocus.
Pair this lens with a 70-200 f4 for a lightweight travel kit, especially for landscape! I wish canon would figure this lens range out. In the film days I had a 20-35, 35-105, 70-210 and a 24 prime. Never needed to bring out more than two at a time. (24 + 35-105 or 20-35 + 70-210 ). Anything wider than 20mm can be handled better with a prime as far as I’m concerned as UWA zooms get real fuzzy outside of the center or cost a fortune very quickly.
I have just ordered the S5 with this in the Kit and 24-105. I was intending to sell this kit lens however with the extra at the wide end I’m probably going to keep it after watching this.
Fantastic channel and great reviews of the S5 and this lense.
Man, my kingdom for this focal range for full frame e-mount!
The perfect vlogging lens for my S1H. Going to buy one. The stabilization looked great, and the small lens size makes the combo more manageable to hand hold. Thanks, Gordon!
You're welcome! I loved the compact size and weight of it. PS - if you order online, please consider using my price check here or at cameralabs.com thanks!
Gordon Laing will definitely use your link :) Cheers from Dubai
@@cameralabs i either want itt to be just up to 45 -55mm but f4 or possibly 2.8, or makee it at least 70mm but rather 75 or 85 if possible :D
This lens makes sense now with the S5 body introduced today. Not bad for $2299 with the kit lens. I'm sure its better than the Sony 28-70 kit lens.
I recently bought a s1 body, i thought about buying it with the kit lens, but the sheer size and weight(and price) put me off. Actually i wanted to wait a litte longer to see if there would be a more compact body bundled with the 20-60. But there is no telling when it launch or for what price. I saw a deal for €1600 for the S1 (slightly used) and went for it. In the future i will sell my tokina firin 20 to replace it with the 20-60.
Also nice review. I am going to buy you a coffee ☕ :)
For half of the price, I think it's a nice compromise if you can live without the extra reach of the more versatile 24-105.
@Ziggi Mon I really like the wider 20 vs 24, and 60mm is ok for me.
20-60 is focused more towards photo needs where as 24-105 is meant for video of course both can do the opposite too but in general that is 24-105 has a constant f4 meaning no change of f stop in video when zooming
We just need a much lighter body now, with phase detect autofocus :)
You'll almost certainly get one of those things and almost certainly not get the other.
@camera conspiracies That focus pulsing and micro adjusting itself during vlogging test reminds me immediately of your hand analogy of different camera brands focusing in one of your videos.
20mm usable for walking vlogging, 24mm unusable. Does Panasonic do digital IS too? Is there a crop in digital?
They did mention Time-Of-Flight at one stage...
th-cam.com/video/2XlT1cdAjY4/w-d-xo.html ;)
The lens seems to be a clever compromise, but I do see some irony in Panasonic making this lens for the heaviest-of-'em-all mirrorless full frame camera on the market today. I would like to have this for my Sony A7, though. I am not a huge fan of switching lenses all the time, and with the 17-28 mm that I prefer on my camera I do know I miss quite a lot of shots on the longer end. On the other hand, I hate walking around with my 28-75 mm because it is never even close to be wide enough. Would I buy this if it were made for my camera? Yes, I think so.
And, as always, great job on the review. Best of luck to you, Gordon!
Thanks! And as I mentioned, I suspect it may point towards a lighter L-mount body in the future. There's also the Sigma fp.
Sony/Canon/Sigma/Tamron: WAKE-UP! Build a 20-60. NOW!
This kit lens is ridiculously good. So hard to justify another lense purchase for very little gain for my purpose (video).
another great review - you're truly spoiling us Gordon!
I like the idea of 20-60mm as a kit lens as I'd likely not need an extra wide lens then!
Seems to hit all the things it needs to for the L mount - decent optically too!
I've had 3 of these for various reasons now, and they all have fringing, bad flaring/splotches and generally a clinical/"digital" look. 24-105 is on another planet.
Thanks Gordon. May pair this with the SL2s, depending on what it turn out to be :-)
Here’s what I have learned after a year of shooting this lens on my s1. Shoot fine jpeg with it, not raw. The jpg’s look much better. Panasonic knows what corrections to apply for this specific lens and does it better than you would fiddling with raw. Make sure you have the firmware updated. Also by all means experiment with the picture settings. But unless lighting conditions are tricky, fine jpeg will get the best out of this lens with almost no effort.
Hi,
Noticed some jerky motion on the pan at around 9:27. Is this visible on the original?
I bought an S1R and sold my 5Ds. This is heavier.
I also bought an adaptor, principally for my TS-E lenses, a 20-60 for those times I want to make different photos from those I make with TS lenses, and the 50MM F1.8.
I would rather the 20-60 were F3.5 or even F4 throughout, I do not like the thought of my exposure changing when I zoom.
The Sigma 28-70 f2.8 DG DN in L-mount is a great option
@@cameralabs I also have some M43 cameras. The main use of the S1R is for photographs best made with TS lenses. I do not usually tilt my camera in landscape photograph, and I don't like cropping the bottom off in post.
I just watched a video on the S5 Mark II. I am glad to see it can shoot 3x2 video off the entire sensor. It would be even better with my TS lens collection.
Perfect focal range for me!
Hi Gordon this video convinced me to sell my 16-35 S Pro and go for this. Did you have AF when you were doing the vlog test? And what were you using to vlog? Did you use a mini tripod? I'm also pairing this with a S1H
Yes, I had AF enabled for the vlog, and I used a little mini table top tripod as a stand
Hi Gordon - do you have any plans to review any more L mount lenses - such as the panasonic 85mm 1.8 S lens?
Actually I already have some basic tests made of that lens, so when I have some time I can turn it into a review.
@@cameralabs great. You're reviews convinced me to get an s5. Closest I'll ever get to a leica 😂
Very familiar ergos after the panasonic m43 bodies too but definitely very niche right now
@@GregThurtle which lenses do you have?
@@cameralabs currently only the 20-60 3.5-5.6 kit (again thanks to your review) but looking at 85mm, sigma 105 art macro and eagerly looking forward to 35 and 50 1.8 lenses later this year. Also sigma 28-70 is on my radar too.
I love my S1H, but the 24-70 is a bit heavy for walk around shooting. Thus, I'm glad to see your review on this affordable and light 20-60. What does the aperture stop down to around 35mm? I generally avoid lenses that aren't constant aperture for video work, but being full frame it may be a non-issue. This looks like a great lens for vacation and travel.
Any thought on how this lens will hold up in the Super 35 crop mode on the S1H? I find switching between FF and S35 with the S Pro 24-70 gives me a lot of range to work with, yet little compromise in quality. The same tactic could make this 20-60 useful as a 40mm lens at f3.5.
Gordon,
Very interesting to hear your comments on the weight of the S1H. I was very tempted to purchase the S1 with the 24-105, but when I looked at the weight compared to my Sony A7-3 with the 24-105, I decided not to take the plunge. However, I am also a great fan of the G9 with 10-25, which I regularly use and love the results. In all honesty, I tend to pick up the G9 before my Sony due to its excellent performance to weight ratio. I will however, be very tempted to purchase a smaller, lighter S series, if, as you mentioned in this clip is strong possibility. I think then that if Panasonic manages to sort out the size and weight problem, they will have an excellent system.
The 10-25mm is also a very nice lens! Hope you saw my view of that one!
@@cameralabs Yes Gordon, I did, I do not purchase any item unless it has received your recommendation. sadly, you recommended both the 8-18 and the 10-25, I had to buy them both. However, they both have their separate uses and they are two great lenses. Last evening I tested my Sony 135mm G Master f1.8 on a A7R3 against my Panasonic 50-200 both set at 135mm photographing birds in my garden, I honestly preferred the 50-200 on my G9 as an easier item to use. Panasonic have developed some great lenses, long live MFT.
Malcolm
@@cameralabs is there any other focual range lens that maches this, by far this is favourite for everyday use.
@@k.o.t.o.n. apart from the 8-25 and 10-25 on Micro Four Thirds, nope.
@@cameralabs oh thanks these are great ones, i will have a look :D
I think it is a very good idea that Panasonic is trying a different approach. 20-60mm is very versatile, I personally own the 10-25mm for micro 4/3...
This would be a great lens kit with the S1 or maybe a little brother (maybe S10 ??)
Exactly. The 10-25mm is brilliant.
@@cameralabs Yep, it is painful on the purchase time... but what a lens, I can't live without it for video or indoor photo reportage :))) What an amazing versatile range and constant f1,7 ! brilliant ! Keep up the good work, Gordon ! Tomorrow I should receive my Fuji x100v :)))
Hi Gordon, thanks for the review. I have a GH5 and there is a similar lens, the 10-25mm for this camera (but much more expensive).
Which lens do you prefer to use, the Leica 10-25mm on the GH5/G9 or the 20-60mm on the S1 (especially about rendering and stabilization) ?
The only thing I know is the 20-60mm on the S1 gives better dynamic range but more rolling shutter.
Good question. The big difference in specs is that the 10-25mm is f1.7 throughout, whereas the 20-60mm starts at f3.5 (equiv to f1.7 on MFT for depth of field) and slows to f5.6 at the longer end. For this reason, the 10-25mm is better for video, but for general use the 20-60 gives you a similar experience at a lower price. As for rendering, I feel the 10-25mm had the edge and the stabilisation from the bodies is similar. I think the GH5 / G9 with the 10-25mm really is a classic combo unless you need or desire full-frame for some other use.
@@cameralabs Thank you very much
Nice video, you got some crazy stuff going on in the footage around 6:00 or so. I hope that is not the S1H because I am getting one soon and selling my GH5 set up to get it. I played over again to make sure it wasn't my internet connection. Most of the vlogging footage would have been unusable in a professional environment.
Looks like focus breathing to me - as the camera chases focus, the lens change field of view slightly. Focus breathing is common in affordable optics. I would say it is acceptable if you are a professional blogger, but it would of course not be acceptable if you are a professional cinematographer 🙂
Nice inexpensive travel lens, much needed... I own a Leica SL and shoot Voigtländer manual lenses, haven’t bought a autofocus lens yet....still looking.
24-105 looks sharper than 20-60 . am i right ?
how does it compare to the PL10-25 f1.7? is it parfocal?
Thanks for your review Gordon. Would you say this would not resolve well on the SL2? Any idea if it would be sharp with that kind of megapixel count? Thank you!!
Well, it's a budget lens, so don't expect miracles.
@@cameralabs understood. Much appreciated! Cheers from Vancouver Island
Mark
walkacrossitall.com
Gordon, which ND filters would you recommend for Waterfalls and Sunrise using this lens? Thanks
I generally use Lee filters for long exposures - see my Long Exposure tutorial video.
Excellent content!!
Which camera body did you use for this video?
Sony A6400, see description
Great overview. Some time passed. Did your opinion on the lens changed?
I still like it, and it's a killer combo with the S5.
@@cameralabs Ok, bought it. Overall pleasantly surprised. At 24mm the edges are even slightly sharper than my Panasonic 24-105.
Hi Gordon! Do you find the zoom ring on the Panasonic 20-60 a bit stiff? I bought one used and it seems stiffer than the zoom ring on the Panasonic 12-60 on my GH5.
Tbh, I can't remember, but it should loosen over time
Yes! I just picked one up when Panasonic had crazy discounts on the (now obsolete? ;) S5 in December. The zoom ring isn't just stiff, it tends to "stick" as you rotate. Really screws up shots in video. Hope it does loosen up over time!
@@melikebatgirl8312 I've had it for about half a year now and I can't say that it's loosened much, but you do get used to it. Another problem is that if you zoom fast, their parafocal correction system doesn't catch up right away and you get a half second of blur. Wonder if 24-105 is the same, but for now I've resorted to using Tamron 28-75 adapted from Nikon F. Surprisingly, it is parfocal about 2/3 of the way so it's great for video, and it's quite cheap used. It's also got proper linear focus which works far more predictably than the simulated linear focus on the S5 (weirdly enough, this feature is implemented far better on the GH5 II).
Great kit lens
Great review... any chance of you writing another book... “in Camera the sequel”? The first book is great and a lovely thing to own.
Thanks, I hope to write another book soon!
Is this lens good enough for professional work, like for music videos and talking head interviews?
Yep, but you will need to be satisfied by the AF on the bodies if you're not manually focusing.
This is a perfect lens
think of still take the 24-105 tbh
Now if they'd just do a lightweight l mount camera I might be tempted. Stay safe.
They do check the S5
Gordon, why didn’t you mention the maximum aperture in the title?
Because writing f3.5-5.6 takes up a lot of space and puts people off when there's too many numbers. Plus there's no confusion as there's only one Lumix S 20-60mm and I describe the aperture straightaway.
Now you just need a smaller L-mount S-camera. These S-bodies are still huge.
This is the TH-camr lens. I actually asked Sony and Sigma for a 2.8 or 1.8 version on their Twitter page.
I actually asked Dannii Minouge to come back to the Bat Cave with me on her Twatter page. I'm still waiting for a response.
Will this work on the sigma FP?
Yes it should do as an L-mount lens.
This or the 18/40 with the s5?
Hmmmm, depends how much the size matters. The S5 is pretty chunky, so the 20-60 is a good match size-wise, so I'd go for that and have the extra reach.
Well this lens is the reason I switched to Lumix fullframe 😊
It's a surprisingly good lens
Turned out to be made as a kit lens for the S5
Yep, and I've reviewed that now too!
Does this fit the G9?
No, this is for L-mount, not M43
20mm wide huge difference between 24mm good for vlog
Nice video but that that lens had a lot of dust hairs on it
I just want a GH6...
hi this lens is good for video no please help me
Did you watch my review?
Awesome
Completely out of focus
what is?
To me it seems rather pricey for what you get!
It's half the price of the 24-105! What other full-frame lens do you know with a similar range for 599?
@@cameralabs well, I don't know, but f/3.5-5.6 is just not very impressive. A quick search gives me the Canon EF 24-105 F3.5-5.6 IS STM which seems to have a more reasonable price.
20mm vs 24mm is significant. Perhaps not to you, but I think Panasonic should highlight that difference.
Lumix 20-60 no suitable for group photo its focus only middle area 5.6 apparture.
I have lumix 20-60mm. The zoom range is PATHETIC!!
To be fair, it's pretty clearly labelled, what were you expecting from a 20-60? For it to magically extend to 100?