If the English faced up to it they’d realise coaching is a real problem, Bortwick tried to copy SA first then Ireland now the ABs , it just shows Bortwick is clueless.
So many bad calls by okeefe, didn’t even mention the James Lowe one and countless other penalties. Not to say England would have won otherwise but it could have changed the game
It’s a great talking point if you can keep mouthing the fiction that England scored two late tries only because Ireland let them. Englands attack was blunted by okeefes decisions which were marginal on at least 4 pivotal occasions. Ireland were solid except maybe Prendergast
Surprised that no one has picked up on the problems Genge had with Bealam. Fairly early in the second half on an Ireland defensive scrum, Genge was folded in half by Bealam, penalty Ireand, massive momentum loss England. Minutes later Genge concedes free kick. At the next scrum England are defending their own line. Genge has to be squeaky clean, the strain he is under to stay up is huge. He stsys up just. Bealam had a very strong game and is much underrated. Love the podast, Clive - Enngland fan.
Bear in mind as well how much weight advantage the English second row paring had over the Irish. Fabulous to have a back up tight head of such quality.
Bealham has quietly had a very successful career. He was a loose head at one point also but has been in the squad for a lot of Irelands big wins from 2016 onwards.
No I disagree... Genge had him and he buckled twice but Ireland got the pens... Genge had the advantage but didn’t make use if it properly, less bad calls but more bad technique I guess. Tricky to call...
@@TheCpkaustin Ellis genge is so fucking over rated you can tell he’s English, I’ve honestly seen him cost his teams more games than he has won, I mean when was the last time you said”they would of been fucked without genge”
Dublin was hopping on Saturday night good times love to see the England boys coming across only Rugby can do this. Big call but I think they can really have a a go a Frances on Saturday.
@@ADDC-r4u i dont fancy them but really want them to win as it would be a serious leg up for ireland's 6n win potential. But, france are too good. Only hope is if they find an angle that has an unusually large return on effort but there are so many matchups across the team where france dominate. if you were to pick a team out of france and england, you'll be lucky to get more than 3, maybe 4 english players into the starting 15
Have to admit that, as an Ireland supporter, I was worried, before it started, about the outcome of the match because I thought the England team had serious potential and because of our autumn series (lackluster) performances. Mighty relieved and pround of the way our boys did it.
Can't say I'd agree that Mack Hansen had a great match..He's always game but looked a bit off pace. I'll not be surprised to see Nash given at least a place on the bench.
They love having playmaking wingers that can step into first receiver on some set plays - there are a few tries from the last couple of years where the back 3 all sit on the short side and have interplay, and that's part of hansens skill set. Bit yeah he wasn't at his best but i reckon he'll improve over the tournament
The Crowly v Prendergast debate appears to be just a media / fan discussion These two guys are so focused on the team winning that they'll do what works for the team. They're not stewing over it like we all do.
The difference between how NZ planned to beat Ireland and how Englanned planned to beat Ireland is that NZ changed how they played to better compete at the breakdown and England changed their players to compete at the breakdown, which meant they had almost nobody on the pitch to compete at the lineout. Ireland set a 6N record last weekend for highest consecutive successful lineouts with 23. Now our line-out has come on a bit since November but it's not anywhere near that good. NZ didn't compromise much of anything to disrupt Ireland, while England robbed Peter to pay Paul in an attempt to replicate it.
So right there Goodey . They fall apart really quickly. How many more times are we going to see Steward left for dead. Borthy is not a motivator end of story
As an ireland fan i was concerned after the first half. Ireland struggled with Englands line speed, and were stopped playing. At times it remined me of a few years back when England put 50 points on us. Glad to see that Ireland managed to turn this around in the second half, using the wide channels that were being defended by smaller players like Smith, and bringing on the bench that made an impact. Big win for Ireland
It feels like in the last 8 years England just lack the ability to adapt mid game. Firstly I thought it was because Eddie Jones was a dictator and you couldn’t change the play without him but it’s still the same. We have great game plans going in but other teams adapt to that and then we don’t. I’m not sure if that’s an on the field issue or a coaching issue but it happens time and again.
@@thomascoughlan3316 my thought exactly. We don't actually know if Marcus is good because nobody ever gives it to him. Finn Smith only looked good because england realised that there was 10 minutes left to score 3 tries so they had to lock in.
You are so right - the quality of England’s coaching staff is just not good enough. The players can be developed over time but Bore-thick and most of those below him are just not up to it. Needs a root and branch rebuild.
I don't know if it's just the coaches at Premiership/International Level that are falling down on the job. To me I can see plenty of great athletes out there wearing the White Jersey, but there's a noticeable shortage of players with the necessary skills to play at the very top level. That raises the question about what is happening in terms of coaching & training from schools level up through to the Academies/Clubs graduates in England in general. How is the RFU monitoring player development, coaching & training, conditioning throughout the process? This has to be an integral part of the professional game for every Rugby Union board. I'm 67 and can remember way back when I first played the game at private school. Our coach back then showed us vhs recordings of the Colin Meads/Fergie McCormick All Blacks tour in the 1960s. His purpose was admirable but the 12yo me looked at it then like a dog being shown a card trick. His point though was to show that for any player desperate to wear that famous All Black Jersey, they emphatically had to show that they had all of the requisite skills to play at the AB level. The great Wales teams of the 70s and the England team of '95-'03 were full of players that met that standard. That's not the case today. The question is why?
@@9Charcot England edged the collisions in both attack and defence in the pack, Ireland were cleverer and attacked wider after the first 30 mins and there they were finding Englands weaker defenders, Smith, Mitchell, Slade etc
@@world2364what has that got to do with anything? You're exactly the type of Irish fan that gives the real ones a bad name. Arrogant, churlish, lacking in humility and probably a little bit thick.
@@simonjeffs75- that's generous of you🙄. . .as well as Sheehan & Crowley, Ireland's bench contained 4 (v experienced) Lions. . .how many did England have?
agree entirely with goode's finishing statement. Eng looked so good towards the end of 6 nations 2024 spreading the play and having a crack. Eng fans want to see that too (i assume!)
England's back row selection was not clever at all. It meant that they only had Itoje to throw to at lineouts, a gift to Ireland who had struggled there in the autumn games. Their lineout looked bulletproof in this game because of this poor tactic. The English plan meant they were always going to burn themselves out in an hour and get overrun. Is that also why England had to kick everything in the second half? Out of gas after about 50 minutes in an 80 minute game.
Easy to blame the ref. Mitchell flapping at lowe and bundi waking over 3 defenders had nothing to do with the ref. Move on focus on France and be happy with the losing bonus point
Regarding the ref, how many warnings did England get? 3? 4? How many did Ireland get? 0 a big fat zero. So less of the ref nonsense. Directed at England fans not the two hosts here.
Absolutely, penalty count was 8 Ireland and 11 England but that number hides how many advantages England gave away under penalty. They got fairly cynical once a penalty was called, hence the number of warnings.
Why would the ref card lowe when the english player started the shit housery and smith head butting irish player on the ground,genges illegal hit on beirne,and the very late hit on prendergast,we can all pick out moments in the game were we feel hard done by,end of day ireland were and are a better team
Because the referee said he would that's why and he didn't and regardless of who you support that comes across as bias, we know Ireland were and are the better team however that doesn't change the fact that when officials say they are going to do something and they don't it doesn't look good. Plenty of people can see that some officials give more leeway to some teams than others one of the worst affected teams are Italy who may not be great however they get some terrible calls time and time again. If the referee is a man of honour he must know that both Lowe and Doris should have be been yellow carded there may have been others on the England side but I can only call out what I saw and both should have gone, it doesn't look good especially as the TMO had brought the Doris challenge to his attention, it would be nice if the officials could admit that they got it wrong then at least we can hope that they will get it right in the future.
@@neilcarpenter2669Sounds like you are clinging on to a technicality there. The ref made that statement but didn’t follow up on it. He was trying to stop both sides piling on. Maybe less concerned when only one did. Regardless, are you really saying England lost because he didn’t send Lowe off for a bit of shoving? 😂
@@neilcarpenter2669 Re the Doris Yellow Card Call - you apparently did not hear the referee's response (to either Itoje or the TMO - I can't tell who exactly) that Doris was in a legitimate tackle stance (bent clearly at the waist) BEFORE there was any contact with Tom Curry. The TMO replayed the tackle on the screen and the ref made the call that Doris had done nothing wrong. Move on - that's not bias. Yeah James Lowe deserved a Yellow Card for his petulance - but so did Chandler Cunningham South for his dangerous tackle on Keenan. Maybe Bundee Aki should have been red carded for mowing down 3 English players for his try!!!
England flattered to deceive in the first half, Ireland were sub par and it showed, the moment they got their act together they left England in the dust. France are going to utterly humiliate them this weekend.
Its a great example of how Ireland have become adaptable during game play. Bench plays a great part too. We kept headbutting the wall v NZ in the world cup and that got us booted out so i'd say its a strong area of focus.
England will not be humiliated this weekend, we will find out how good France really are come Saturday evening, the English played very well against us last weekend, if they can improve their second half showing and particularly third quarter then anything can happen, France hadn't ideal preparation in their stroll against Wales, they face much stiffer opposition on Saturday, three interesting games to look forward to.
If you think France are going to humiliate the English at home then I don't know what to say. It would be extremely rare for that to happen and this English team is no where near that bad.
England should do something amazing and pick an actual 6 at 6 and the only real all round 6 we have is Ted Hill. Freeman at full back also needs looking at seeing as we don’t seem to have any long term options presently there: Baxter, LCD, Stuart Itoje, Martin, Hill, T Willis, T Curry Mitchell, F Smith, Lawrence, Beard Roebuck, Sleightholme Freeman Bench: Rodd, George, Opoku-Fojdour, Chessum, B Curry, Earl, Quirke, M Smith
very interesting pod guys , if you look at the half time when the ref blew the whistle , the cameras were pointed in the direction of the England and the one thing i noticed was that several England players had hands on knees struggling for air , they looked a bit puffed out at that stage and Ii was thinking then wer'e going to beat them, i agree with you both in that regard , England ran out of a bit of puff
It wasn't about experience, it was about skill and quality. Ireland's top players (mostly Kiwis) delivered when they needed and blew England away. England have consistently failed to do that, mainly because they lack a nucleus of world class players.
Completely agree with what Jim's saying around @9:00 , annoyed me seeing other Rugby podcast saying Ireland were too good for England, of course they were, they are the better team. That being said England gave it a bloody good shot.
“…he likes a big rangey 6 that’s a lineout option” - but not selecting such a 6 was a mistake by Borthwick. Why would you NOT attack Ireland’s lineout after it underperformed so badly in the Autumn series?
My summary of the match was: In the First half a very rusty Irish was "tuning in" -otherwise they should have scored 3 other tries’ but failed by inches- RUSTY. But in the second half they were flying BUT then the Irish were sleeping of the last 7 minutes! What would be the score if he played properly for the full game!
I think there was a degree of blowing off cobwebs for the Irish squad there. Let's see how they do in the rest of the tournament before we cast judgment. Next year I'm hoping to see a lot of new faces in the team as the average age of players is getting up there.
@@stevekay528 : Well that question is a bit moot. It's what you do on the day that matters. You have to stop thinking in those terms. England have a tough game against France coming up and their Scotland game will be no picnic either.
No one seems to mention it but I don't understand this peculiar obsession of swapping out the 9 and 10 at the same time... worse moving Marcus Smith to fullback where he looks uncomfortable and got targeted. It disrupts the England structure . Wouldn't it be better to play Alex Mitchell with Finn Smith (who are already a premiership pairing) together and have a utility back on the bench to fill in either at fullback or anywhere amongst the backs?
England pick 3 7's to shut Ireland down but they still conceded 4 tries in 70 mins. Cant help feeling they need to concentrate more on their own ball.... its not like they are lacking talent. Poor showing really
England's defence is the problem. The three no 7s were there to stop Ireland attacking the soft edges. Once Ireland figured out how to get around the 7s, or bury them in rucks England were in trouble.
Even if England were the fittest rugby team ever, they could not do it for 80. The reason is not that they were not fit enough. It was that Ireland figured out how to nullify the English three x no7s.
As an Irish man, I think o Keefe gave us all the breaks. 42mins,or so,gives a forward pass against England, I'm still looking for it. Resulting scrum,bealham folds like a deck of cards,Ireland get the penalty,ludicrous decisions,as was the itojes one,but the bigger problem I've noticed,English clubs blowout as a unit in big euro games, about the 55-60 minute mark,same thing with England on Saturday. Don't know if it's fitness or psychological,but it's a general England problem at the moment. That England team will take scalps, don't be surprised if they put it up to France,with a couple of changes.
Stop Lowe tripped, Conan no arms tackle, hit on Beirne and then there was the Itoje stomp. Great game but to say Ireland were given everything is far fetched. Hope England bring it to France
Thought it was interesting how deep the Ireland attack was in the first half. Made the English blitz defence have to work even harder to chose the space. Looked like the tactic work a treat.
Disagree a little about the ran out puff. England's defence out wide was passive and was being protected by the three no 7s. As the half progressed Ireland started being more clever about targetting these guys and then playing around them or engineering plays to bury them in rucks and THEN going wide. This became easier as the three lads tired. Bairds break ending in the Marcus Smith yellow was an example of going around them. Aki's try was after the jacklers got buried in a ruck in midfield. When the subs came on Ireland ruthlessly targetted them with set plays. England's first half dominance perhaps should have yielded more points. But Ireland are very hard to score against and like Leinster (esp 2025) are a second half team.
Irish fan here, watching on sat we were worried for a few minutes but when we looked again at the bench before half time, we knew we were still in it. To play that type of game for 80 minutes you need a bomb squad which England didn't have.
I agree with Goodie - it is always the same story: England play well for 50 minutes but then lose! Borthwick had a terrible record as captain and he has a terrible record as coach. If he can’t turn things around by the end of this 6-Nations then he should go. England needs to play with more flair and stop picking players like Henry Slade and Freddie Steward. Let’s get players like Radwan, Ibitoye and Hendy in and go for it a bit more!
M Smith will do brilliant individual stuff, but he won't put players into space and manage the game. Flashy break that no one (especially your team) expects, isolated and turned over or massively slowed down. We're not seeing our ball carriers and backs get the ball because a) the playsheet says kick, kick, and then kick, and b) when we don't kick Marcus does his thing, makes 10-20 metres but then the move comes to an end with our #10 at the bottom of a pile of bodies unable to pull the strings of the attack.
Ireland played well but were far from perfect, they were sloppy with the last two tries to be scored by England by their inattention and missed tackles. England came back strong which resulted in the 5 point score difference, I wouldn't write them off yet.
I think that often arises when the bench is brought on...despite the fact that they all played well individually when they were on, the team loses shape.
All the discussion in the North is about who starts, not about the 23 needed to win, therefore who should be on field at the death to get over the line. Why can't Ben E be England's Kwagga Smith, play 25 to 30 minutes and make a real difference? Why not put Jammie George on the bench to use his experience to help close out games? Why should Sheehan not stay on the bench given the incredible impact he had, a la Marx? Most pundits raving about Porter's performance, 70odd minutes, so no quality back-up? can he sustain 70 minutes per game over the next 5 matches? I doubt it. He is one of many such examples spoken of. Great discussion Gents, thank you!!
IRE fan .Good analysis guys. The bottom line is, this ENG team is good. No doubt about that. They played a blinder in the first half i thought, and deserved to be in front before heading to the sheds. Defense was top class. After the break, IRE made some adjustments, adapted to what was in front of them. The change of focus, more attack, out wide as you say, seemed to stretch Eng. They weren't in control any more, you could see it. It was fantic ,and the English lads looked out on their feet at times. They seemed to run kut of gas. Now, whether this was psychological or purely physical, i don't know, but it allowed IRE the slight edge they needed.
There’s a lot to analyse in that game. But both guys are right 1. Game management Ireland changed and adapted a few times through out the game. England plan A didn’t work and there didn’t seem to be any other ideas after that. 2. I’m not sure any English players get in that Ireland starting team. Could argue one or 2 that’s it. Ireland have a better squad and management. England arrived with what they have and tried to make it work. Power game, fast defence but narrow. Teaming up almost to tackle one Irish player and hoping to force mistakes while they’re in your face. Ireland eventually started to get the ball through the hands and around the defence. England had no answers after that. Just to add itoje managed the ref terribly. His job as captain is to atleast get that much right. It was frustrating to watch. Not sure he’s level headed enough to lead a national team. Also Tom curry was a beast for England I thought. Fantastic utility type players those curry brothers.
Why though? 7-1 is great if you have impact players, I don't see anyone in the current England squad outside the wingers who seem to inject anything new into the game, they just help keep the game under control as some of the bigger lads gas out. 7-1 is risky if you pick up injuries or cards in the backs. Risk without reward doesn't really make sense to me.
More importantly, England need to hound Dupont from start to finish if they are to have a chance at winning. When they are in possession they need to target Dupont with ball carriers and make him make tackles repeatedly. He may well be the best player on the planet but, even the best are impacted by repeated encounters with 'dump-truck' players down their channel.
For me the difference is: for England to make Ireland make mistakes they have to absolutely bollock themselves physically. On the other hand England sort of make their mistakes on their own
Why? Ireland smashed them away last year,and Scotland should have won...they haven't got that much better,.. Their club teams are full of other internationals, There's a chance.
@@originalusername143 They had him the year before and Ireland won aswell. Dupont did make the craziest tackle I've ever seen on Hansen, but it's not that much of a different team
@originalusername143 That's not how rugby works.each year is different and that's why I'm saying there's a chance.. But I do think France have a great squad and I wouldn't be surprised if they beat Ireland by 40 , I just don't see how people can be so sureof a french victory because their club teams are doing great. Half their players aren't even French.. Leinster are unbeaten in URC and Europe and that team is basically the Irish squad.
Bring in luke northmore put slade on the bench because he can cover any back apart from 9 and i wouldnt be surprised if he could play at 9 get beard in if not northmore get ben spencer at nine quirke on the bench leave marcus at ten unless injured back him 100% to drive the game
Not convinced by Marcus Smith at full back, bit like the DMac situation for AB's. Josh Hodge plays 15 and could cover wing, similar size to Bielle Biarrey for France.
What push ? There was no push from itoje whatsoever ,ffs look it up .the ref didnt even call it it was the linesman , he got it wrong .after that momentum turned irelands way. One closing the gap was also a bad call. The forward pass for a score from ireland wasnt seen either . two missed tackles were worse though, but still andy you didnt see anything wrong ,where were you looking?
I think that the best is yet to come for England, a winning U20 team with lads coming through not too far down the line. This current crop of players isn't good enough vs the top squads in the world, losing has become a habit and the norm. Sometimes you have to have a long period of pain in order to have a successful world class team. It's Ireland's era right now and will come to an end, hats off to them. France by 25 on Saturday which pains me to say.
We've seen some very good patches in the U20s before over the last 15 years for England which hasn't filtered through to the senior national team... We had a fantastic batch with the Farrell era but that dropped off... Although I agree, we need an injection of talent, the biggest problem we have is very good players getting worse over time playing for England... That never seems to happen with other nations, just us... It must be something about the workload or environment in the Premiership... Hopefully that changes with central contracts.
The problem is the English championship that doesn't make those U20 players grow into great senior international players which is the main difference with the french championship
Last Friday was the first, FIRST time the Irish U20’s have lost a game in the six nations in almost 4 years. Having said that, England absolutely battered them - men against boys.
Excellent overview we aren’t using our players correctly and letting them Be in their element murley deserved more chances yes he had 2 bad decisions but he is an excellent player, freeman is also exceptional where is Henry pollock and tom Willis we need runners and players to bring some aggression to the game and to actually carry the ball out wide instead of kicking it loosing possession and wasting time and phases if we can make a couple breaks by going wide then use our wingers with smith, spade and Lawrence to make some plays wide to get trys we need to make some changes and not be afraid to make bold plays
Question Goodey- in reference to England's lack coaching experience, is Ireland's any more experienced? Hasn't Farrell in particular, followed a similar path to Borthwick?
First week Ireland don't have to do much. Leinster plus a few greats to integrate. Fine tuning/ reacquainting. England Sarries Saints Quinns Bath +++ are very different teams. Changed coaches.
England probably need an English club side that is a European champions cup contender/winner to build the international team around. Such small margins and a continuity is needed to navigate those high pressure moments. If England lose against France and don’t perform, Scotland, Italy and Wales fancy their chances. Beat France and the mindset changes and England could be in contention for the championship. I would prefer an unbeaten France in Ireland as the pressure will be on
I picked a back row on one occasion that was not balanced, I will never do that again. In the second half Ireland has probably the best back row in the World. Doris, Conan and VdF
Fair play to Ireland and and a good win, no taking away from that, but how close are England? Are they the team in the wings? Is the coaching set up and the team growing together? Interesting few years ahead..
Great job Goode , For a young team England fitness was done in the first half ,,the pressure by Ireland was immense, Ireland were relentless not taken easy points but taken shots at pining um in there 10 meter line, We have world class players who can turn a game , GP, Aki, Lowe, Sheehan, Porter,,we missed easy penalties in the first half , Sam was poor at 10 , he needs more time to develop, we are in transition from Sexton still and still winning, remember how bad New Zealand were when Dan Carter left but they still were winning ugly, sane for us , 10 for England is over rated , did nothing for u , we need more time for Sam or we will have to replace him, Remember Ireland for the last 6 years have changed our system All Black 1-3-3-1 system, because we have All black type players that enable us to play this way , but Sexton retirement and injury was the Fulcrum of our system and this is why we struggled at the World Cup , he was playing injured and was not good at 50 Percent and New Zealand attacked our weaknesses and exposed us , remember we copy there system they invented, as I watch from New York I wish we had a Dan Carter at 10 , the Greatest Rugby Player of all time , Carter , Loki, McGraw The Holy Trinity of Rugby!!!
Ireland knew exactly what was coming,no surprise with borty showing his hand so early,starting 3 7s and cedeing control of lineout to ireland,ireland just mopped up englands first half and should have scored couple more trys before halftime with dominant possession.england not fit enough to keep up the attack and defence of first half.ireland inexcuseably went to sleep in last 5 mins otherwise its 27v10,and should have been more,but for a strong english defence and silly handling mistakes from ireland,for me on 80 mins ireland still looked like they could play another 20.as for itoje he got on wrong side of ref,constantly whinging,i see doris as shoe in for lions captain,hes more assured,less argumentative,ps marcus smith is no 15,your replacent 10 was much better
Always said that England isn't fit... especially Cunningham-South and Maro, because they let Aled Walters go. And the defence stinks because Felix was made to go....so stop whining.
yeah it didn't pay off at all. Weirdly, Irelands line out has been garbage. surprised he england did not target this area. Statistically it looks like Ireland have massively improved the LO, but its only cos england didn't compete at all. You cant give a team like ireland every chance possible in set plays like that. seems crazy.
One up missed tackles. This is where England failed. Not something that can be coached. England don’t have the size/power to compete over 80 mins without losing at least one 1 on 1. It just depends on where they lose it. Anywhere in the 22 is a try for the opposition - England aren’t able to do this themselves. The bench isn’t where it needs to be. I’m not sure Borthwick is the reason for the loss. Do we really have the talent we think?? I’m not sure.
“Steve talks to them at half time, bores them to sleep probably” 😂😂😂
Goode, you are an absolute class act. You never let bias enter your analysis of a game, not even when your home nation is playing.
If the English faced up to it they’d realise coaching is a real problem, Bortwick tried to copy SA first then Ireland now the ABs , it just shows Bortwick is clueless.
You having a laugh , he`s never biased " Really "
This is why we love Goode in Ireland, he is honest and tells it as it is.
He's an arsehole making shit up, haha. Ben O'Keefe getting pints pulled for him around Dublin
So many bad calls by okeefe, didn’t even mention the James Lowe one and countless other penalties. Not to say England would have won otherwise but it could have changed the game
@Jam43341 he certainly missed some calls on both sides of the ball, but England were completely outplayed
Are you a referee?@Jam43341
It’s a great talking point if you can keep mouthing the fiction that England scored two late tries only because Ireland let them. Englands attack was blunted by okeefes decisions which were marginal on at least 4 pivotal occasions. Ireland were solid except maybe Prendergast
Surprised that no one has picked up on the problems Genge had with Bealam. Fairly early in the second half on an Ireland defensive scrum, Genge was folded in half by Bealam, penalty Ireand, massive momentum loss England. Minutes later Genge concedes free kick. At the next scrum England are defending their own line. Genge has to be squeaky clean, the strain he is under to stay up is huge. He stsys up just. Bealam had a very strong game and is much underrated.
Love the podast,
Clive - Enngland fan.
People don't rate him because he has been in Furlong's shadow and had some issues (while also getting wins) against the All Blacks. Very good player.
Bear in mind as well how much weight advantage the English second row paring had over the Irish. Fabulous to have a back up tight head of such quality.
Bealham has quietly had a very successful career. He was a loose head at one point also but has been in the squad for a lot of Irelands big wins from 2016 onwards.
No I disagree... Genge had him and he buckled twice but Ireland got the pens... Genge had the advantage but didn’t make use if it properly, less bad calls but more bad technique I guess. Tricky to call...
@@TheCpkaustin Ellis genge is so fucking over rated you can tell he’s English, I’ve honestly seen him cost his teams more games than he has won, I mean when was the last time you said”they would of been fucked without genge”
Jim Hamilton and Andy Goode are top class. Both work really well together and both show class and non biased opinions. Brilliant
love when two english blokes are being honest about Ireland
Dublin was hopping on Saturday night good times love to see the England boys coming across only Rugby can do this. Big call but I think they can really have a a go a Frances on Saturday.
I fancy England against France to be honest.
@@ADDC-r4u i dont fancy them but really want them to win as it would be a serious leg up for ireland's 6n win potential. But, france are too good. Only hope is if they find an angle that has an unusually large return on effort but there are so many matchups across the team where france dominate. if you were to pick a team out of france and england, you'll be lucky to get more than 3, maybe 4 english players into the starting 15
All the best against the Scots! Should be a humdinger!
@@paolozmm I agree to be fair but on the day you never know
@@ADDC-r4u that is true. I have to say I don't see Ireland beating them this year (unless #9 gets an ankle twist)
Great Commentary on Saturday, Jim. Hope they keep you for all the Scotland games. Great to hear ex-players from their team add the colour on 6N.
Jim you are brilliant Sorry Ireland to win
Goode's dislike for Steve Borthwick will never not be entertaining
He is right. England are overcoached
Goode doesn’t like Eddy doesn’t like Steve. Probably a Clive fan. He has no idea about coaching Like most ex players he thinks he knows it all
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Facts
@@davidfife-nm7uyClive, the only one that’s won us a World Cup? We should all be fans of him. Made us horrendous to play against
Once again guys, an excellent review of the facts and realities. You are rare amongst ex players in the depth and knowledge of your analysis.
Have to admit that, as an Ireland supporter, I was worried, before it started, about the outcome of the match because I thought the England team had serious potential and because of our autumn series (lackluster) performances. Mighty relieved and pround of the way our boys did it.
Don't judge genuine English supporters by this comment above please
Can't say I'd agree that Mack Hansen had a great match..He's always game but looked a bit off pace. I'll not be surprised to see Nash given at least a place on the bench.
Agreed,I think Hansen is overrated at the best of times.
He got a bad knock early on. Same with Aki. Both a bit off the pace as a result.
They love having playmaking wingers that can step into first receiver on some set plays - there are a few tries from the last couple of years where the back 3 all sit on the short side and have interplay, and that's part of hansens skill set. Bit yeah he wasn't at his best but i reckon he'll improve over the tournament
Hansen hasn't been on song for a while. Nash should be in.
Nash deserves a start
Sheenan is awesome.
*Sheehan
And Keehan in the backline.
The Crowly v Prendergast debate appears to be just a media / fan discussion
These two guys are so focused on the team winning that they'll do what works for the team. They're not stewing over it like we all do.
The difference between how NZ planned to beat Ireland and how Englanned planned to beat Ireland is that NZ changed how they played to better compete at the breakdown and England changed their players to compete at the breakdown, which meant they had almost nobody on the pitch to compete at the lineout.
Ireland set a 6N record last weekend for highest consecutive successful lineouts with 23. Now our line-out has come on a bit since November but it's not anywhere near that good. NZ didn't compromise much of anything to disrupt Ireland, while England robbed Peter to pay Paul in an attempt to replicate it.
I agree… James Lowe was definitely man of the match
So right there Goodey . They fall apart really quickly. How many more times are we going to see Steward left for dead. Borthy is not a motivator end of story
As an ireland fan i was concerned after the first half. Ireland struggled with Englands line speed, and were stopped playing. At times it remined me of a few years back when England put 50 points on us. Glad to see that Ireland managed to turn this around in the second half, using the wide channels that were being defended by smaller players like Smith, and bringing on the bench that made an impact. Big win for Ireland
Henry Pollock, Ted Hill, Tom Willis back row...carriers
Can’t miss tackles and key tackles and expect to go to places like the Aviva and win.
Yo from Ireland...Goode is a very good rugby analyst.
Disagree. He’s bang average as he was as a player. Austin Healey is your man.
Jesus, no. Healy is painful. @@kev63inuk
@ get a life dude
Austin Healy is a pain to listen to! He's the bang average one. Biased also.
It feels like in the last 8 years England just lack the ability to adapt mid game. Firstly I thought it was because Eddie Jones was a dictator and you couldn’t change the play without him but it’s still the same. We have great game plans going in but other teams adapt to that and then we don’t. I’m not sure if that’s an on the field issue or a coaching issue but it happens time and again.
Agree about adaptability, but England can do this; look at the last England Ireland six nations. They adapted and won.
Goody just needed a red cap to finish off the Mario and Luigi cos play!
Great analysis, as always, gents!
Finn Smith could be a better option for 10..he seems to gel with the forwards and backs slightly better..that was the difference for me...Capetown
I agree with that, however, I don't think Marcus got enough of the ball. They kept box-kicking it
@@thomascoughlan3316 my thought exactly. We don't actually know if Marcus is good because nobody ever gives it to him. Finn Smith only looked good because england realised that there was 10 minutes left to score 3 tries so they had to lock in.
You are so right - the quality of England’s coaching staff is just not good enough. The players can be developed over time but Bore-thick and most of those below him are just not up to it. Needs a root and branch rebuild.
I don't know if it's just the coaches at Premiership/International Level that are falling down on the job. To me I can see plenty of great athletes out there wearing the White Jersey, but there's a noticeable shortage of players with the necessary skills to play at the very top level. That raises the question about what is happening in terms of coaching & training from schools level up through to the Academies/Clubs graduates in England in general. How is the RFU monitoring player development, coaching & training, conditioning throughout the process? This has to be an integral part of the professional game for every Rugby Union board. I'm 67 and can remember way back when I first played the game at private school. Our coach back then showed us vhs recordings of the Colin Meads/Fergie McCormick All Blacks tour in the 1960s. His purpose was admirable but the 12yo me looked at it then like a dog being shown a card trick. His point though was to show that for any player desperate to wear that famous All Black Jersey, they emphatically had to show that they had all of the requisite skills to play at the AB level. The great Wales teams of the 70s and the England team of '95-'03 were full of players that met that standard. That's not the case today. The question is why?
much like Cymru then ( but ours are worse - including the WR ffycin U) 🤔
Don't under estimate the Aki, Lowe, and Park influence. They would not be anywhere near as dangerous without them.
Bierne, Sheehan, Conan or Doris. There's game breakers all over that team.
One dimensional without the kiwis…...you have zero flair without them
Very accurate summary , thank you . First time I’ve really warmed to Mr Goode .
@26:41 Jim - Ireland's pack was 40kg lighter thanEngland's
Really???
Twas 35kgs lighter - 890 vs 925. Still a sizeable difference.
@@DaSkonk Wow...din't look like it and made no difference...haha
@@9Charcot England edged the collisions in both attack and defence in the pack, Ireland were cleverer and attacked wider after the first 30 mins and there they were finding Englands weaker defenders, Smith, Mitchell, Slade etc
@@DaSkonk England about 10 lbs per man heavier
The irish subs had more impact because ireland had all the momentum. Hard to have an impact when you're on the back foot.
They had more of an impact because they are better players
@@world2364 are you serious😂 I'll give you sheehan
@@simonjeffs75 you can't win a game,
@@world2364what has that got to do with anything? You're exactly the type of Irish fan that gives the real ones a bad name. Arrogant, churlish, lacking in humility and probably a little bit thick.
@@simonjeffs75- that's generous of you🙄. . .as well as Sheehan & Crowley, Ireland's bench contained 4 (v experienced) Lions. . .how many did England have?
agree entirely with goode's finishing statement. Eng looked so good towards the end of 6 nations 2024 spreading the play and having a crack. Eng fans want to see that too (i assume!)
we do!
England's back row selection was not clever at all. It meant that they only had Itoje to throw to at lineouts, a gift to Ireland who had struggled there in the autumn games. Their lineout looked bulletproof in this game because of this poor tactic.
The English plan meant they were always going to burn themselves out in an hour and get overrun. Is that also why England had to kick everything in the second half?
Out of gas after about 50 minutes in an 80 minute game.
Now for Jim to predict a Scotland win.....
Everyone is saying Scotland could very well beat us this year
Italy coming back was worrying!
Nice hat Jim
😂
Hahaha you've got him there.
Easy to blame the ref. Mitchell flapping at lowe and bundi waking over 3 defenders had nothing to do with the ref. Move on focus on France and be happy with the losing bonus point
Regarding the ref, how many warnings did England get? 3? 4?
How many did Ireland get? 0 a big fat zero.
So less of the ref nonsense.
Directed at England fans not the two hosts here.
Absolutely, penalty count was 8 Ireland and 11 England but that number hides how many advantages England gave away under penalty. They got fairly cynical once a penalty was called, hence the number of warnings.
Why would the ref card lowe when the english player started the shit housery and smith head butting irish player on the ground,genges illegal hit on beirne,and the very late hit on prendergast,we can all pick out moments in the game were we feel hard done by,end of day ireland were and are a better team
Simply because he said the next person who retaliates by pushing is going in the bin
Because the referee said he would that's why and he didn't and regardless of who you support that comes across as bias, we know Ireland were and are the better team however that doesn't change the fact that when officials say they are going to do something and they don't it doesn't look good. Plenty of people can see that some officials give more leeway to some teams than others one of the worst affected teams are Italy who may not be great however they get some terrible calls time and time again. If the referee is a man of honour he must know that both Lowe and Doris should have be been yellow carded there may have been others on the England side but I can only call out what I saw and both should have gone, it doesn't look good especially as the TMO had brought the Doris challenge to his attention, it would be nice if the officials could admit that they got it wrong then at least we can hope that they will get it right in the future.
@@neilcarpenter2669Sounds like you are clinging on to a technicality there. The ref made that statement but didn’t follow up on it. He was trying to stop both sides piling on. Maybe less concerned when only one did. Regardless, are you really saying England lost because he didn’t send Lowe off for a bit of shoving? 😂
Because nobody likes him.
@@neilcarpenter2669 Re the Doris Yellow Card Call - you apparently did not hear the referee's response (to either Itoje or the TMO - I can't tell who exactly) that Doris was in a legitimate tackle stance (bent clearly at the waist) BEFORE there was any contact with Tom Curry. The TMO replayed the tackle on the screen and the ref made the call that Doris had done nothing wrong. Move on - that's not bias. Yeah James Lowe deserved a Yellow Card for his petulance - but so did Chandler Cunningham South for his dangerous tackle on Keenan. Maybe Bundee Aki should have been red carded for mowing down 3 English players for his try!!!
England flattered to deceive in the first half, Ireland were sub par and it showed, the moment they got their act together they left England in the dust. France are going to utterly humiliate them this weekend.
Awww you must be Welsh
I think France is gonna humiliate everyone this year 😅 but yeah, England has a massive job ahead of them this wknd against the French
Its a great example of how Ireland have become adaptable during game play. Bench plays a great part too. We kept headbutting the wall v NZ in the world cup and that got us booted out so i'd say its a strong area of focus.
England will not be humiliated this weekend, we will find out how good France really are come Saturday evening, the English played very well against us last weekend, if they can improve their second half showing and particularly third quarter then anything can happen, France hadn't ideal preparation in their stroll against Wales, they face much stiffer opposition on Saturday, three interesting games to look forward to.
If you think France are going to humiliate the English at home then I don't know what to say. It would be extremely rare for that to happen and this English team is no where near that bad.
England should do something amazing and pick an actual 6 at 6 and the only real all round 6 we have is Ted Hill. Freeman at full back also needs looking at seeing as we don’t seem to have any long term options presently there:
Baxter, LCD, Stuart
Itoje, Martin,
Hill, T Willis, T Curry
Mitchell, F Smith,
Lawrence, Beard
Roebuck, Sleightholme
Freeman
Bench: Rodd, George, Opoku-Fojdour, Chessum, B Curry, Earl, Quirke, M Smith
very interesting pod guys , if you look at the half time when the ref blew the whistle , the cameras were pointed in the direction of the England and the one thing i noticed was that several England players had hands on knees struggling for air , they looked a bit puffed out at that stage and Ii was thinking then wer'e going to beat them, i agree with you both in that regard , England ran out of a bit of puff
Ireland adjusted game over!!
It wasn't about experience, it was about skill and quality. Ireland's top players (mostly Kiwis) delivered when they needed and blew England away. England have consistently failed to do that, mainly because they lack a nucleus of world class players.
James lowe should have got man of the match
Great having big Jim on Rte.Got away with a comment that could have got him cancelled.I don't think a lot of people copped it.
Completely agree with what Jim's saying around @9:00 , annoyed me seeing other Rugby podcast saying Ireland were too good for England, of course they were, they are the better team. That being said England gave it a bloody good shot.
“…he likes a big rangey 6 that’s a lineout option” - but not selecting such a 6 was a mistake by Borthwick. Why would you NOT attack Ireland’s lineout after it underperformed so badly in the Autumn series?
My summary of the match was: In the First half a very rusty Irish was "tuning in" -otherwise they should have scored 3 other tries’ but failed by inches- RUSTY. But in the second half they were flying BUT then the Irish were sleeping of the last 7 minutes! What would be the score if he played properly for the full game!
I think there was a degree of blowing off cobwebs for the Irish squad there. Let's see how they do in the rest of the tournament before we cast judgment. Next year I'm hoping to see a lot of new faces in the team as the average age of players is getting up there.
What would have been the score had England played as well in the second half as they did in the first ?
@@stevekay528 : Well that question is a bit moot. It's what you do on the day that matters. You have to stop thinking in those terms. England have a tough game against France coming up and their Scotland game will be no picnic either.
No one seems to mention it but I don't understand this peculiar obsession of swapping out the 9 and 10 at the same time... worse moving Marcus Smith to fullback where he looks uncomfortable and got targeted. It disrupts the England structure . Wouldn't it be better to play Alex Mitchell with Finn Smith (who are already a premiership pairing) together and have a utility back on the bench to fill in either at fullback or anywhere amongst the backs?
England pick 3 7's to shut Ireland down but they still conceded 4 tries in 70 mins. Cant help feeling they need to concentrate more on their own ball.... its not like they are lacking talent.
Poor showing really
England's defence is the problem. The three no 7s were there to stop Ireland attacking the soft edges. Once Ireland figured out how to get around the 7s, or bury them in rucks England were in trouble.
That first half was a great game of Rugby. Now Eng needs to learn how to do that for 90 mins.
Even if England were the fittest rugby team ever, they could not do it for 80. The reason is not that they were not fit enough. It was that Ireland figured out how to nullify the English three x no7s.
As an Irish man, I think o Keefe gave us all the breaks. 42mins,or so,gives a forward pass against England, I'm still looking for it. Resulting scrum,bealham folds like a deck of cards,Ireland get the penalty,ludicrous decisions,as was the itojes one,but the bigger problem I've noticed,English clubs blowout as a unit in big euro games, about the 55-60 minute mark,same thing with England on Saturday. Don't know if it's fitness or psychological,but it's a general England problem at the moment. That England team will take scalps, don't be surprised if they put it up to France,with a couple of changes.
Stop Lowe tripped, Conan no arms tackle, hit on Beirne and then there was the Itoje stomp. Great game but to say Ireland were given everything is far fetched. Hope England bring it to France
Ah yes, referee magic made England concede 4 tries. That's why England have lost 7 of their last 10 games, bad refereeing
France will hammer England
Ireland will beat Scotland comfortably I think, they have better players
As an Irishman, I fully disagree.
Thought it was interesting how deep the Ireland attack was in the first half. Made the English blitz defence have to work even harder to chose the space. Looked like the tactic work a treat.
Disagree a little about the ran out puff. England's defence out wide was passive and was being protected by the three no 7s. As the half progressed Ireland started being more clever about targetting these guys and then playing around them or engineering plays to bury them in rucks and THEN going wide. This became easier as the three lads tired. Bairds break ending in the Marcus Smith yellow was an example of going around them. Aki's try was after the jacklers got buried in a ruck in midfield. When the subs came on Ireland ruthlessly targetted them with set plays. England's first half dominance perhaps should have yielded more points. But Ireland are very hard to score against and like Leinster (esp 2025) are a second half team.
Freeman at 13 all day. We lack pace and power and have done for ages.
Who would you have at 12? Lawrence? I agree if so. Slade shouldn't be playing, in my opinion
@@86sfar Yes Lawrence at 12. He is getting better and better.
Irish fan here, watching on sat we were worried for a few minutes but when we looked again at the bench before half time, we knew we were still in it. To play that type of game for 80 minutes you need a bomb squad which England didn't have.
Your kiwis were the difference
Ted Hill is physically immense. Cheeds from SA.
I agree with Goodie - it is always the same story: England play well for 50 minutes but then lose! Borthwick had a terrible record as captain and he has a terrible record as coach. If he can’t turn things around by the end of this 6-Nations then he should go. England needs to play with more flair and stop picking players like Henry Slade and Freddie Steward. Let’s get players like Radwan, Ibitoye and Hendy in and go for it a bit more!
Great hat hope you enjoyed Dublin.
Agree Jim. 12/13 is so unbalanced and has been for years. Seeing Lawrence and Slade starting never gives me much faith tbh
I know Goodey has an aversion to Saints, but I'd start with their 9, 10 and 12.
M Smith will do brilliant individual stuff, but he won't put players into space and manage the game. Flashy break that no one (especially your team) expects, isolated and turned over or massively slowed down. We're not seeing our ball carriers and backs get the ball because a) the playsheet says kick, kick, and then kick, and b) when we don't kick Marcus does his thing, makes 10-20 metres but then the move comes to an end with our #10 at the bottom of a pile of bodies unable to pull the strings of the attack.
Ireland played well but were far from perfect, they were sloppy with the last two tries to be scored by England by their inattention and missed tackles. England came back strong which resulted in the 5 point score difference, I wouldn't write them off yet.
I think that often arises when the bench is brought on...despite the fact that they all played well individually when they were on, the team loses shape.
All the discussion in the North is about who starts, not about the 23 needed to win, therefore who should be on field at the death to get over the line. Why can't Ben E be England's Kwagga Smith, play 25 to 30 minutes and make a real difference? Why not put Jammie George on the bench to use his experience to help close out games? Why should Sheehan not stay on the bench given the incredible impact he had, a la Marx? Most pundits raving about Porter's performance, 70odd minutes, so no quality back-up? can he sustain 70 minutes per game over the next 5 matches? I doubt it. He is one of many such examples spoken of. Great discussion Gents, thank you!!
Not as much depth as SA and NZ ... Rugby is a minority sport in the Northern hemisphere
Irish fan here - we lack elite-level depth in both prop positions, but usually do enough to overcome it.
Porter has been going deep in games for a quare wee while now tbf. . .
IRE fan .Good analysis guys.
The bottom line is, this ENG team is good. No doubt about that. They played a blinder in the first half i thought, and deserved to be in front before heading to the sheds. Defense was top class. After the break, IRE made some adjustments, adapted to what was in front of them. The change of focus, more attack, out wide as you say, seemed to stretch Eng. They weren't in control any more, you could see it. It was fantic ,and the English lads looked out on their feet at times. They seemed to run kut of gas. Now, whether this was psychological or purely physical, i don't know, but it allowed IRE the slight edge they needed.
Needs better balance in back row. Willis at 8,hill at 6, earl or Curry's at 7
There’s a lot to analyse in that game. But both guys are right
1. Game management
Ireland changed and adapted a few times through out the game. England plan A didn’t work and there didn’t seem to be any other ideas after that.
2. I’m not sure any English players get in that Ireland starting team. Could argue one or 2 that’s it.
Ireland have a better squad and management.
England arrived with what they have and tried to make it work. Power game, fast defence but narrow. Teaming up almost to tackle one Irish player and hoping to force mistakes while they’re in your face. Ireland eventually started to get the ball through the hands and around the defence. England had no answers after that.
Just to add itoje managed the ref terribly. His job as captain is to atleast get that much right. It was frustrating to watch. Not sure he’s level headed enough to lead a national team.
Also Tom curry was a beast for England I thought. Fantastic utility type players those curry brothers.
I was nervous for this one and it wasn’t looking good for us at half time. Good response in the third quarter from Ireland.
Think England should go for a 7-1 split against France…
1. Genge
2. Dan
3. Stuart
4. Itoje
5. Martin
6. T.Hill
7. T.Curry
8. T.Willis
9. Mitchell
10. F.Smith
11. Sleightholme
12. Lawrence
13. Freeman
14. Roebuck
15. M.Smith
16. Cowan-Dickie
17. Rodd
18. A.O.F
19. Chessum
20. C.C.S
21. B.Curry
22. Earl
23. Spencer
I’m praying Ted Hill starts 🙏
Why though? 7-1 is great if you have impact players, I don't see anyone in the current England squad outside the wingers who seem to inject anything new into the game, they just help keep the game under control as some of the bigger lads gas out. 7-1 is risky if you pick up injuries or cards in the backs. Risk without reward doesn't really make sense to me.
More importantly, England need to hound Dupont from start to finish if they are to have a chance at winning. When they are in possession they need to target Dupont with ball carriers and make him make tackles repeatedly. He may well be the best player on the planet but, even the best are impacted by repeated encounters with 'dump-truck' players down their channel.
At that’s not at the pod guys. You gave a fair Annalise of the game. It’s pacifically to the English fan’s
For me the difference is: for England to make Ireland make mistakes they have to absolutely bollock themselves physically. On the other hand England sort of make their mistakes on their own
I thought Ben O’Keef actually did a great job, his communication was on point. Just shows all nations blame the ref when they lose.
This was such an entertaining game!
France is going to mash us this Saturday.
Why? Ireland smashed them away last year,and Scotland should have won...they haven't got that much better,.. Their club teams are full of other internationals, There's a chance.
@@giddygiddy85 last year they didn't have DuPont
@@originalusername143 They had him the year before and Ireland won aswell. Dupont did make the craziest tackle I've ever seen on Hansen, but it's not that much of a different team
@ Yeah Ireland won the championship 2 years ago. But France also put 53 points on England as well
@originalusername143 That's not how rugby works.each year is different and that's why I'm saying there's a chance..
But I do think France have a great squad and I wouldn't be surprised if they beat Ireland by 40 ,
I just don't see how people can be so sureof a french victory because their club teams are doing great. Half their players aren't even French.. Leinster are unbeaten in URC and Europe and that team is basically the Irish squad.
The deciding factors were fitness and a lack of talent in key positions (inc the bench and management). Officials errors cut both way.
Bring in luke northmore put slade on the bench because he can cover any back apart from 9 and i wouldnt be surprised if he could play at 9 get beard in if not northmore get ben spencer at nine quirke on the bench leave marcus at ten unless injured back him 100% to drive the game
Goodie: "I don't want to complain about the ref...but....."🤭
Still the best rugby podcast on the net 😊
🇮🇪💚☘
Not convinced by Marcus Smith at full back, bit like the DMac situation for AB's.
Josh Hodge plays 15 and could cover wing, similar size to Bielle Biarrey for France.
BRILLANT POST MORTON LADS VERY HONEST KEEP IT UP LADS
Loved the commentary on Scotland Italy!
What push ? There was no push from itoje whatsoever ,ffs look it up .the ref didnt even call it it was the linesman , he got it wrong .after that momentum turned irelands way. One closing the gap was also a bad call. The forward pass for a score from ireland wasnt seen either . two missed tackles were worse though, but still andy you didnt see anything wrong ,where were you looking?
I think that the best is yet to come for England, a winning U20 team with lads coming through not too far down the line. This current crop of players isn't good enough vs the top squads in the world, losing has become a habit and the norm. Sometimes you have to have a long period of pain in order to have a successful world class team. It's Ireland's era right now and will come to an end, hats off to them. France by 25 on Saturday which pains me to say.
We've seen some very good patches in the U20s before over the last 15 years for England which hasn't filtered through to the senior national team... We had a fantastic batch with the Farrell era but that dropped off... Although I agree, we need an injection of talent, the biggest problem we have is very good players getting worse over time playing for England... That never seems to happen with other nations, just us... It must be something about the workload or environment in the Premiership... Hopefully that changes with central contracts.
@@davidholgate123none of those teams had the crop of talent that they have now
@nickrad6966 I think you need to do a little research on that 😉
The problem is the English championship that doesn't make those U20 players grow into great senior international players which is the main difference with the french championship
Last Friday was the first, FIRST time the Irish U20’s have lost a game in the six nations in almost 4 years. Having said that, England absolutely battered them - men against boys.
indeed scoreline flattered . Btw, what a glut of Green I0's Frayley, The Byrnes Bros, J.C. & S.P.
Excellent overview we aren’t using our players correctly and letting them Be in their element murley deserved more chances yes he had 2 bad decisions but he is an excellent player, freeman is also exceptional where is Henry pollock and tom Willis we need runners and players to bring some aggression to the game and to actually carry the ball out wide instead of kicking it loosing possession and wasting time and phases if we can make a couple breaks by going wide then use our wingers with smith, spade and Lawrence to make some plays wide to get trys we need to make some changes and not be afraid to make bold plays
Jim really needs to drop this moneyball bollocks. Does he think Genge, Itoje, the Currys, Smith, Lawrence, Steward are on small money?
Great podcast lads
Look at Irelands bench.... Conan, Crowley, henshaw, Sheehan
The reason Ireland lost against England last year was because we were down to 14 for the last 10 minutes.
England were down to 14 this time too
Because you were inferior
@alexrose8251 True. And they lost as well!
Question Goodey- in reference to England's lack coaching experience, is Ireland's any more experienced? Hasn't Farrell in particular, followed a similar path to Borthwick?
7:37 Only one englishman belongs to the top ten, and he's watching the game from his sofa : Jack Willis.
First week Ireland don't have to do much. Leinster plus a few greats to integrate. Fine tuning/ reacquainting. England Sarries Saints Quinns Bath +++ are very different teams. Changed coaches.
England probably need an English club side that is a European champions cup contender/winner to build the international team around. Such small margins and a continuity is needed to navigate those high pressure moments. If England lose against France and don’t perform, Scotland, Italy and Wales fancy their chances. Beat France and the mindset changes and England could be in contention for the championship. I would prefer an unbeaten France in Ireland as the pressure will be on
Salary cap stops that. In a way it's hampering the national team. Especially with the players moving to France
I picked a back row on one occasion that was not balanced, I will never do that again. In the second half Ireland has probably the best back row in the World. Doris, Conan and VdF
Fair play to Ireland and and a good win, no taking away from that, but how close are England? Are they the team in the wings? Is the coaching set up and the team growing together? Interesting few years ahead..
Great edit
Great job Goode , For a young team England fitness was done in the first half ,,the pressure by Ireland was immense, Ireland were relentless not taken easy points but taken shots at pining um in there 10 meter line, We have world class players who can turn a game , GP, Aki, Lowe, Sheehan, Porter,,we missed easy penalties in the first half , Sam was poor at 10 , he needs more time to develop, we are in transition from Sexton still and still winning, remember how bad New Zealand were when Dan Carter left but they still were winning ugly, sane for us , 10 for England is over rated , did nothing for u , we need more time for Sam or we will have to replace him, Remember Ireland for the last 6 years have changed our system All Black 1-3-3-1 system, because we have All black type players that enable us to play this way , but Sexton retirement and injury was the Fulcrum of our system and this is why we struggled at the World Cup , he was playing injured and was not good at 50 Percent and New Zealand attacked our weaknesses and exposed us , remember we copy there system they invented, as I watch from New York I wish we had a Dan Carter at 10 , the Greatest Rugby Player of all time , Carter , Loki, McGraw The Holy Trinity of Rugby!!!
Kiwis were next level
England lost momentum when nen was taken off and Marcus went to 15. Bench didn't add value they way Ireland bench did
Alex is straight up always and objective
Ireland knew exactly what was coming,no surprise with borty showing his hand so early,starting 3 7s and cedeing control of lineout to ireland,ireland just mopped up englands first half and should have scored couple more trys before halftime with dominant possession.england not fit enough to keep up the attack and defence of first half.ireland inexcuseably went to sleep in last 5 mins otherwise its 27v10,and should have been more,but for a strong english defence and silly handling mistakes from ireland,for me on 80 mins ireland still looked like they could play another 20.as for itoje he got on wrong side of ref,constantly whinging,i see doris as shoe in for lions captain,hes more assured,less argumentative,ps marcus smith is no 15,your replacent 10 was much better
Always said that England isn't fit... especially Cunningham-South and Maro, because they let Aled Walters go. And the defence stinks because Felix was made to go....so stop whining.
yeah it didn't pay off at all. Weirdly, Irelands line out has been garbage. surprised he england did not target this area.
Statistically it looks like Ireland have massively improved the LO, but its only cos england didn't compete at all. You cant give a team like ireland every chance possible in set plays like that. seems crazy.
Jim you are brilliant Ireland to win 😅😅 22:36
One up missed tackles. This is where England failed. Not something that can be coached. England don’t have the size/power to compete over 80 mins without losing at least one 1 on 1. It just depends on where they lose it. Anywhere in the 22 is a try for the opposition - England aren’t able to do this themselves. The bench isn’t where it needs to be. I’m not sure Borthwick is the reason for the loss. Do we really have the talent we think?? I’m not sure.
Did nobody notice during the anthems?, apparently the queens still alive...😅
I think England should use Ben Earl in the way that the Boks use Kwaga Smit. I reckon he’ll cause havoc against tired legs.