Love this change, always hated that I was tied to a physical pet. Love that I command, almost like a spirit animal, that swoops down. Maybe a few glyphs that helps us customize our kindred spirit beast in the sky. Raven, Eagle, Hawk, Owl....
They need to make it pull a bird of prey from your stable to use for the animations. They need to add a flavor ability to call it down and do a lil rp thing, like the falconry animation would be good. I think its nice to not have to micro manage it and its just visuals, so they need to just let us do some customization to those visuals by using one of your stabled bird of preys.
Yeah, thats what I want as well. Personally, I dont mind losing the pet function as I mostly raid and do m+, though I understand that the option to use pet should still be around. BUT visuals, bring it on. The falconry animation is a good suggestion, make it an eagle version:)
I love the pack leader changes, as a survival main, I’m now a true pack leader and fighting alongside them. It’s super fun, but my issue is it’s currently in a weird unfinished state where we get a random 25 second window to summon a beast even outside of combat when sitting in a home area or something, if we don’t summon any of those beasts for 25 seconds, we have to wait another 25 seconds, for instance the bear cooldown ran out right before I wanted to press kill command and when I did, it didn’t summon it, I have to wait, which is really annoying. I’m saddened for the removal of the sentinel owl on sentinel, mm would have been a untargetable bird spec, but now the stars come from nothing. I think the biggest change, which is for BM and SV hunters is the ability to change pet specs at our stable, we can use whatever pet we want, I had many pets I dreamed of using during bfa and shadowlands, they were left to dust in the stables, now I can use them without any weird gut feelings, ferocity raptors and stags, here we come!
Sounds like an unintentional thing that, probably supposed to be starting when you enter combat. I tried it on the PTR just now again and it spawns immidately when I start combat, even if outside the timer. It should obviously be on a internal CD so it waits or spawns immidiately when you start combat. I tried 5 times now, outside of timer and it did spawn immidately. Probably not working as it should 100% yet. About the Pack Leader changes, overall pretty good changes. They did nice with that imo. I am sad too about the owl, I hope they revert it. Might be the sound that some people got annoyed of, but they could just decrease volume on the ability lol. Going to make a little video of the pack leader changes later on.
I like the idea, but i was specting for morr eagle animations. Like when it is not spotting the enemy return to you for example, . Right now is just a moment when you see the eagle.
Yeah, agree with that. I was hoping the eagle would be more around us, outside of gameplay, but a visual thing for the feeling of having the companion. Now we see it for a second every now and then. During trueshot it could come down and attack the target, just like the Lunar Storm Owl.
Yeah it'd be cooler if the eagle was much more like an actual hunting falconry companion. As it is, it just feels like a quick proc almost like a visual from a set bonus. Quite underwhelming. Have it circle us and perch on our wrist optionally outside of combat too
i hate that our 2 min healing cooldown we got from tenacity pets for marksman is gone and they gave us a 3% damage negation instead. That is a huge nerf to the marksman survivability which is really sucks
Yeah, that was and is one of my big concerns coming into this. Fortitude of the Bear is an excellent defensive CD and has saved me a lot in TWW. We kinda need this, its a lifesaver in higher m+ keys.
Yeah, would be great with options. I kinda like having an eagle myself, but options is always the better deal when it comes to things like visuals imo.
Lunar storm seems pretty damn terrible. No pet to keep mobs in place, so they're just gonna run out of it. Restricting it to a specific area seems pointless if they aren't having it attached to an owl flying circles anymore. They should just have the shards hit whichever mobs have your dot, wherever they may be. In any case I'm not a happy camper with this patch. My entire concept for my mechagnome hunter with his robo pets is now ruined, because no matter what I'll have to have random animals jumping in and messing up my look.
I dont understand why they removed the Owl from it. It was pretty cool in the last iteration(on live now) but they now changed it to a lunar beam. A sentinel owl fit nicely into the class fantasy and they just removed it. I guess the reason CAN be because the Eagle is now doing like the owl did, but seems strange either way. Its fine that they wanted to rearrange some talents, but I dont think many asked for this rework. Blizzard not liking Lone Wolf is the issue. Lone Wolf made Hunters taking a choice if they wanted to go with pet or not. Blizzards nerfs to LW didnt help so now its gone with pets and the choice. The Eagle better shape up at least, this isn't enough. It sounded like them removing pets was going to be great as we would get this awesome eagle to interact with. Now its a letdown. They kinda have to do better.
@DoffenGG Oh I'm the complete opposite to be honest. I hate the eagle idea. It feels like more and more they're adding these animals to hunters that we don't get to choose. It's one thing if they want to reduce the interaction MM has with pets. But they should still let us use an animal of our choice. Like let us assign one from our stable or something, like BM can do for its secondary pet.
@@OmegaSoypreme no I agree with you, this rework came out of nowhere for my part. Its more that since they now went this,way, they should do better than this. I really like how MM play these days, so at once I read the notes back in december I was really afraid they would mess this up. I still think of how they butchered it in BfA and it wasnt really fun to play again before Dragonflight. I really enjoy how it plays on Single Target with Wailing Arrows and Trick Shot AoE is enganging. Now they dont seem to mess up the gameplay rotation wise, but there are several issues they gotta adress, because this doesnt seem finished. They made a 2-cleave talent which is good, and made Multi Shot baseline and Trick Shot higher up in the tree. So that is good.
As a filthy casual, I usually run MM with a pet, as I tend to do solo content more than anything else. However, I like lone wolf (when I can) to give me a ranger/archer vibe. The change they're implementing seems to bite me on either end. If I want a pet to tank for me in solo content, I'm SoL. If I want to _lone wolf_ it, I still get an eagle flying in, taking me out of my archer vibe. Looking on the bright side, maybe blizz is doing this because they plan on adding an archer/ranger class.
Taking away the option is a bad call imo. I don't mind much personally as I like the archer type, but imo removing it is a bad choice for players like yourself. I use my pet some times too doing world stuff, for tanking or just getting the BL(now I dont have too of course) but I cant tank alone. Saying that, using some hunter tricks to run away and kite stuff is pretty hunterish!
Blizz, "Hey BM Hunters, we want you to have more options with pet numbers, so we're giving you either a 2 or 1 pet option! But, F you MM Hunters as you get NO PET AND YOU'LL LIKE IT!" Me, "Right... /unsub & /uninstall" I lasted for roughly 2 years with a constant sub, which is the longest I've been subbed since the game's launch. I took a 8 year hiatus from Cata to Mid Legion, and I think I'll be doing the same. These devs literally don't have a plan at all.
I dont get their reasoning either. I thought they had Lone Wolf for some player agency, but now they just removed it. Like, I like to play MM without pet. But the option should still be there. And I enjoy good visuals. Some interaction with an eagle that we dont have to control, perfect. But not instead of the option of having a pet. And not in current iteration on the PTR.
@KillerBee300 But we gotta use pet to use Bloodlust. But yeah personally I play without a pet. Its more the option for those who play with pet. And many hunters do not raid or do mythic+, so using it in the world is a necessity for many.
@@DoffenGG I totally get that, but you could also just play BM too, especially if you’re not a fan of hardcore endgame it doesn’t really matter what spec was stronger anyways. I know the rotation is slightly different but honestly it’s kinda the same 1212 but faster.
@@jconic6023 We could say that about every spec though, but every spec got their own fantasy, playstyle, gimmicks etc. Its not just changing spec or class and its fine that they changed your favorite spec into something you don't like. But this isn't really the argument here as its about Marksman and what people want it to be etc. I for one don't care if I lose the pets or not, I don't like that management anyway. And I do raids and m+ so the new fantasy is fine. Just don't mess up a lot with the other things and I won't personally complain. But I do know that those who like pets also for Marksman also should be heard. I want more eagle. That's it really :-)
I just laugh at all the whiny morons complaining about "no pets"....I mean....pets are basically cosmetic for MM anyway & contribute VERY little to your actual DPS. If you want to use pets, play a different spec. Plain & simple. Stop wasting your life complaining about something trivial and change your damn spec or even try a different class.
What do you think about the visual changes so far?
not a huge fan not enough eagles and losing the owl for sentinel is really upsetting
Yeah, agree with that.
This is the content im here for....also... MORE EAGLE
YEP! MORE EAGLE!
Really hope they add a glyph that lets us change the eagle. If anything, I want a bat cause I play dark ranger.
Yeah, hoping they add glyphs to customize it!
Love this change, always hated that I was tied to a physical pet. Love that I command, almost like a spirit animal, that swoops down. Maybe a few glyphs that helps us customize our kindred spirit beast in the sky. Raven, Eagle, Hawk, Owl....
Yeah, and I want to see more of the eagle. The concept is cool, I just think they went a bit light on it.
They need to make it pull a bird of prey from your stable to use for the animations. They need to add a flavor ability to call it down and do a lil rp thing, like the falconry animation would be good. I think its nice to not have to micro manage it and its just visuals, so they need to just let us do some customization to those visuals by using one of your stabled bird of preys.
Yeah, thats what I want as well. Personally, I dont mind losing the pet function as I mostly raid and do m+, though I understand that the option to use pet should still be around. BUT visuals, bring it on. The falconry animation is a good suggestion, make it an eagle version:)
I love the pack leader changes, as a survival main, I’m now a true pack leader and fighting alongside them. It’s super fun, but my issue is it’s currently in a weird unfinished state where we get a random 25 second window to summon a beast even outside of combat when sitting in a home area or something, if we don’t summon any of those beasts for 25 seconds, we have to wait another 25 seconds, for instance the bear cooldown ran out right before I wanted to press kill command and when I did, it didn’t summon it, I have to wait, which is really annoying. I’m saddened for the removal of the sentinel owl on sentinel, mm would have been a untargetable bird spec, but now the stars come from nothing. I think the biggest change, which is for BM and SV hunters is the ability to change pet specs at our stable, we can use whatever pet we want, I had many pets I dreamed of using during bfa and shadowlands, they were left to dust in the stables, now I can use them without any weird gut feelings, ferocity raptors and stags, here we come!
Sounds like an unintentional thing that, probably supposed to be starting when you enter combat. I tried it on the PTR just now again and it spawns immidately when I start combat, even if outside the timer. It should obviously be on a internal CD so it waits or spawns immidiately when you start combat. I tried 5 times now, outside of timer and it did spawn immidately. Probably not working as it should 100% yet.
About the Pack Leader changes, overall pretty good changes. They did nice with that imo. I am sad too about the owl, I hope they revert it. Might be the sound that some people got annoyed of, but they could just decrease volume on the ability lol.
Going to make a little video of the pack leader changes later on.
I like the idea, but i was specting for morr eagle animations. Like when it is not spotting the enemy return to you for example, . Right now is just a moment when you see the eagle.
Yeah, agree with that. I was hoping the eagle would be more around us, outside of gameplay, but a visual thing for the feeling of having the companion. Now we see it for a second every now and then. During trueshot it could come down and attack the target, just like the Lunar Storm Owl.
@@DoffenGG Blizzard please pay attention here and take notes! ^^
@@jigsavvv We can convince them!
Yeah it'd be cooler if the eagle was much more like an actual hunting falconry companion. As it is, it just feels like a quick proc almost like a visual from a set bonus. Quite underwhelming. Have it circle us and perch on our wrist optionally outside of combat too
@Okarine-n4h indeed, that would be better!
I wish they would update cobra shot.
Definitely in time for that, agree!
i hate that our 2 min healing cooldown we got from tenacity pets for marksman is gone and they gave us a 3% damage negation instead. That is a huge nerf to the marksman survivability which is really sucks
Yeah, that was and is one of my big concerns coming into this. Fortitude of the Bear is an excellent defensive CD and has saved me a lot in TWW. We kinda need this, its a lifesaver in higher m+ keys.
@ hopefully people cause an uproar about it and they let us have it
@usaid1234 Yeah, we need that defensive.
Yeah animation should be slower and also should change depending on your stable pets, maybe glyphs could help with that.
Yeah, would be great with options. I kinda like having an eagle myself, but options is always the better deal when it comes to things like visuals imo.
"More eagle" like MM hunters didn't want the pets gone 😂
@@Echo22WC as long they are not in the way 😃
as a MM main of 20 years, I absolutely hate this. Not letting me use my pets ive collected over time is heresy.
Lunar storm seems pretty damn terrible. No pet to keep mobs in place, so they're just gonna run out of it. Restricting it to a specific area seems pointless if they aren't having it attached to an owl flying circles anymore. They should just have the shards hit whichever mobs have your dot, wherever they may be.
In any case I'm not a happy camper with this patch. My entire concept for my mechagnome hunter with his robo pets is now ruined, because no matter what I'll have to have random animals jumping in and messing up my look.
I dont understand why they removed the Owl from it. It was pretty cool in the last iteration(on live now) but they now changed it to a lunar beam. A sentinel owl fit nicely into the class fantasy and they just removed it.
I guess the reason CAN be because the Eagle is now doing like the owl did, but seems strange either way.
Its fine that they wanted to rearrange some talents, but I dont think many asked for this rework. Blizzard not liking Lone Wolf is the issue. Lone Wolf made Hunters taking a choice if they wanted to go with pet or not. Blizzards nerfs to LW didnt help so now its gone with pets and the choice.
The Eagle better shape up at least, this isn't enough. It sounded like them removing pets was going to be great as we would get this awesome eagle to interact with.
Now its a letdown. They kinda have to do better.
@DoffenGG Oh I'm the complete opposite to be honest. I hate the eagle idea. It feels like more and more they're adding these animals to hunters that we don't get to choose. It's one thing if they want to reduce the interaction MM has with pets. But they should still let us use an animal of our choice. Like let us assign one from our stable or something, like BM can do for its secondary pet.
@@OmegaSoypreme no I agree with you, this rework came out of nowhere for my part. Its more that since they now went this,way, they should do better than this.
I really like how MM play these days, so at once I read the notes back in december I was really afraid they would mess this up. I still think of how they butchered it in BfA and it wasnt really fun to play again before Dragonflight. I really enjoy how it plays on Single Target with Wailing Arrows and Trick Shot AoE is enganging. Now they dont seem to mess up the gameplay rotation wise, but there are several issues they gotta adress, because this doesnt seem finished.
They made a 2-cleave talent which is good, and made Multi Shot baseline and Trick Shot higher up in the tree. So that is good.
@DoffenGG I am going to give it an honest chance. Just home from work now so I'm going to get the ptr client and check it out.
As a filthy casual, I usually run MM with a pet, as I tend to do solo content more than anything else. However, I like lone wolf (when I can) to give me a ranger/archer vibe. The change they're implementing seems to bite me on either end. If I want a pet to tank for me in solo content, I'm SoL. If I want to _lone wolf_ it, I still get an eagle flying in, taking me out of my archer vibe.
Looking on the bright side, maybe blizz is doing this because they plan on adding an archer/ranger class.
Taking away the option is a bad call imo. I don't mind much personally as I like the archer type, but imo removing it is a bad choice for players like yourself. I use my pet some times too doing world stuff, for tanking or just getting the BL(now I dont have too of course) but I cant tank alone. Saying that, using some hunter tricks to run away and kite stuff is pretty hunterish!
Blizz, "Hey BM Hunters, we want you to have more options with pet numbers, so we're giving you either a 2 or 1 pet option! But, F you MM Hunters as you get NO PET AND YOU'LL LIKE IT!"
Me, "Right... /unsub & /uninstall"
I lasted for roughly 2 years with a constant sub, which is the longest I've been subbed since the game's launch. I took a 8 year hiatus from Cata to Mid Legion, and I think I'll be doing the same. These devs literally don't have a plan at all.
It's a trash update. Losing tons of game play options. Destroys the spec to remove pets from them after TWENTY years.
I dont get their reasoning either. I thought they had Lone Wolf for some player agency, but now they just removed it. Like, I like to play MM without pet. But the option should still be there. And I enjoy good visuals. Some interaction with an eagle that we dont have to control, perfect. But not instead of the option of having a pet. And not in current iteration on the PTR.
You MM hunters all yall do is run no pet anyway just because of the damage increase.
@KillerBee300 But we gotta use pet to use Bloodlust. But yeah personally I play without a pet. Its more the option for those who play with pet. And many hunters do not raid or do mythic+, so using it in the world is a necessity for many.
@@DoffenGG I totally get that, but you could also just play BM too, especially if you’re not a fan of hardcore endgame it doesn’t really matter what spec was stronger anyways. I know the rotation is slightly different but honestly it’s kinda the same 1212 but faster.
@@jconic6023 We could say that about every spec though, but every spec got their own fantasy, playstyle, gimmicks etc. Its not just changing spec or class and its fine that they changed your favorite spec into something you don't like.
But this isn't really the argument here as its about Marksman and what people want it to be etc. I for one don't care if I lose the pets or not, I don't like that management anyway. And I do raids and m+ so the new fantasy is fine. Just don't mess up a lot with the other things and I won't personally complain. But I do know that those who like pets also for Marksman also should be heard.
I want more eagle. That's it really :-)
I just laugh at all the whiny morons complaining about "no pets"....I mean....pets are basically cosmetic for MM anyway & contribute VERY little to your actual DPS. If you want to use pets, play a different spec. Plain & simple. Stop wasting your life complaining about something trivial and change your damn spec or even try a different class.
I unsubbed after being subbed for 2 years straight. Blizz doesn't deserve a single dime from me if they're going to take away options from me.
Make survival ranged again.
Eww fuck no