Watch this video for a simple post processing of noisy images - HOW TO USE TOPAZ DENOISE WITH LIGHTROOM FOR WILDLIFE & BIRD PHOTOGRAPHY th-cam.com/video/kWTRR687F68/w-d-xo.html
Watched several of your videos and really like your style: no rambling and dragging on, no dramatic exaggerations, just solid and practical tips and advices delivered in an honest, unpretentious manner.
This is the third video of Will's I have watched today. They have ALL been brilliant. Will's pace of delivery is just right, he is also very clear & concise with imparting his valuable knowledge. Keep up the good work.
That is the best presentation on noise and how to minimise it I have ever seen. Well worth investing the time. Thanks for making the effort to share your knowledge!
I live in western Oregon and photograph birds all year long, often 5 days a week, so, long lens, small aperture (typically, f/8 wide open), low natural light and no flash mean I'm often at the limits of what can possibly work with moderately active and definitely evasive subjects. Rather than thinking about what I can do to minimize noise, I prepare by finding the ISO setting will give me sufficiently low noise files to make the 11x14 inch exhibition prints I find to be worthwhile. This takes into account noise in-camera and in post processing right up to the print. That ISO I then set as the maximum the camera is allowed to use and everything else, meaning shutter speed and aperture, fall where they may and hope that the birds will cooperate. I'm now using an R5 after years with 5dsR, 90d, 7dii, etc. Looking at it backwards, as I do, I've found that I can now set a maximum useable ISO of 6400 whereas previous bodies could only work well at up to ISO 1600, anything that works at lower ISO is a bonus in terms of noise. In rare cases when even ISO of 6400 isn't sufficient, I'll let it underexpose and realize that I'll have to do a bit more work to possibly get a decent print. The "ISO-less" part of the response curve comes into effect at about this point, too, I think, and that makes things easier in terms of camera settings fumbling during good action. I can't remember when I've seen my autoISO setting drop to 100 with my main camera/lens setup. Maybe there was a sunny day in the snow some years ago.
Hi Frank, yeah I think you've got a good system for your conditions! I agree, it's often a good way to operate. You've also got a defined goal - your prints require this approach. It's also interesting to note what you say about lower ISO - I've often got glaring sunlight! We often overlook output when thinking about photography. I can see that shooting for prints is not going to be the same as shooting 'events' or experiences. One thing that really worries me is missing a unique encounter. I know I might not get a print out of it but I'd hate to miss that once in a lifetime moment too. My past is littered with moments ruined by limits. I was photographing a perched bird and set the frame rate lower so as not to have too many frames to delete later. When the cheetah burst out of hiding, I was looking at the chase and kicking myself mentally as I photographed at 5fps! Too late to change. Same thing for a focus limit and a Serval encounter. It surprised me and came to within two metres. I was so excited I couldn't understand why I couldn't get focus - it was only after a while that I realised I'd left my focus limit on. We shoot to our environment I guess and we learn (hopefully) from our mistakes and from learning from the practice of others. Now I try to remember to reset everything back to my standard after each encounter :) Grateful to you for sharing your very useful info here.
Wow! I really enjoyed this video and learned a lot! I knew as a generality that you want to expose tot he right as best you can... kind of a Zone system for digital, but never considered different sources of noise and practical methods for minimizing them! Thank you very much, Will! Needless to say, I have subscribed to your channel! Cheers!
Will, I have only recently discovered you. You videos are fantastic and your photography is darn good too. Watching videos of you driving through the game lands puts me right there with you. Love the astrophotography too. I think we both have the same interests, wildlife and astro along with technical stuff too!
Well, I generally prefer shorter videos, but that is not true when it comes to yours. Your explanations are clear and all the information is interesting and valuable. Thank you!
Dear Will, today is the last day of this annus horribilis (as our dear Queen would say)! I would just like to wish you and your family (including your beautiful canines) a better 2021. I am slowly making my way through your wonderful videos on YT and can honestly say that finding your channel is one of the few ‘high points’ of 2020. I am learning a lot and hoping to put what I have learned to good use. Unfortunately I live in the south of France (some would say that is an advantage) so no exotic wildlife or magnificent plumed birds unless I visit a zoo! However, one day, when travel becomes permitted, I shall make my way to your wonderful part of the world and put into practice a little of what I have learned. Have a great New Year Celebration if possible, stay safe as I, (like many others) are looking forward to seeing more of your inspirational videos. Cordialement, Dawn.
Hi Dawn, so sorry I'm late to respond to you! Yes, annus horriblis sums it up... Thanks so much for your good wishes. It's a wonderful encouragement. I showed your comment to Fiona (my wife) and Dad because it was so fantastic to get it. Thanks. I'm really glad you've been enjoying the videos, thank you for all your support. Here's hoping 2021 is a marked improvement! Take care. Will.
I have just discovered your channel today with your video on tripod heads and saw it was worthwhile and informative. This video is densely packed with information! Thank you!!
Nice vid, Will. Just a thought: When I discuss ISO with people who don't understand what is really happening, I always try to avoid using the term "sensitivity" at all and substitute "amplification". In my experience, the first step in explaining ISO is debunking the idea that the sensitivity of a sensor can be adjusted.
Great video, Will. I thoroughly enjoy the technical side of digital photography, always learning. Having played guitar for years I use the guitar amp to explain ISO. When the gain control is low the sound is clean, low ISO. As you increase the gain on the amp you introduction more and more distortion to the signal, high ISO. I extend this to the impact of ISO noise on dark and light areas. The low E string, dark will sound more distorted than the high E, light, at the same level of gain, ISO. Works for me, at least for those familiar with guitars!
It is very wonderful and detailed discussion of the noise problem of digital photograph. I do enjoy your sharing of this knowledge. Thank you very much!
Dankie Will! Much more in depth than other "Noise" videos on TH-cam. Hopefully ill catch you at Rietvlei of Merievale sometime. Just a point from my side, as a beginner, i have noticed sometimes you can't walk away from a shot, even if you know the conditions are not ideal, and there will be noise, but you go ahead and take it, just to be extremely disappointed when getting home to Post. Now i try to make a point of it, to rather walk away if i cannot get the shot in better or more ideal conditions. Thanks for your videos, you have a new subscriber
Will, thanks for this informative video. Have watched it a couple of times to grasp the concepts. You have a lot to offer and we appreciate your willingness to share. Take care and have an awesome weekend.
I take a lot of sunset shots so this is very helpful as I'm quite self taught, trial and error. One thing you said about it being better to slightly overexpose than under, someone in this house who is the Expert, has lead me to believe its around the other way lol. I shall be trying your way and looking at some of my slightly over exposed shots in Lightroom. But I do understand that to under expose sometimes for effect is OK. Thank you once again. By the way love the Shepherds, I grew up with parents who bred them so spent my informative years with these beautiful dogs.
Hi Lisa, thanks for watching! The sheps like making videos :) Like everything in photography there's a bit of give and take. My comments speak specifically to getting the best from shadows, while a sunset (especially with landscapes and clouds) might seek to get the best from a cascade of highlights and midtones. Exposure also plays into colour. So underexposing the sky in a sunset will lead to a beautiful tumble of deep colours. Over exposing it will bleed them. The dynamic range is very large so the best approach for sunset landscapes is to blend a range of exposures (and the best technique is to use luminosity masking) a la Tony Kuyper - the grandad of luminosity goodlight.us/writing/luminositymasks/luminositymasks-1.html Exposure is both a technical and creative choice. It's a balancing act with today's technology. Incidentally, film is still at a slight advantage when it comes to representing highlights. I've no doubt camera dynamic range will improve but our eyes are around 24 stops and the very best cameras still only 14 stops without factoring in the colour changes at the edges of their range. The camera brand / sensor type will also feed into this. Invariant sensors (many sony's) will not improve dramatically when exposure is correct in camera (when using the 'fake' exposure adjustment - ISO) it's cleaner if done in software later on. While many Variant sensors (lot's of Canon) will be very, very poor if adjusted in software and show better results if exposed correctly in camera (even when using high ISO). Most Canon cameras are a stop or two behind the Sony's/Nikons for dynamic range.
That was really interesting and useful. I notice it was a while ago and you asked if anyone is interested in the processing if you do a follow up. Yes me! I would watch that. Thank you
Clearly more about noise than I knew about. Very useful. I use Affinity Photo and the information about the kinds of noise are helpful in knowing about how to do noise reduction there. Thank you.
Awwwwe...... I spy, I spy a beautiful German Shepherd! 😊 I just discovered you a week or so ago; and I'm getting a lot of help from your videos. You have videos for all of my immediate concerns. Thanks for all you share! I like that you use a yellow background for all your thumbnails. It makes it easier for me to find the next photography video I want to see, in my Eyes/Focus Required list.
Hi Will; thinking about HDR's effects on noise...since one normally gets an "over" image with, maybe, 2 stops over-exposure, instead of averaging, per se, the HDR algorithm takes the shadow detail from the "over" image, so that the noise in the shadows is reduced, at the expense of blown highlights, which the HDR compositor ignores, and takes highlight detail from the "under" image... It's pretty good, but does suffer if there are any animals, or people, moving between exposures, where these give some strange effects! I just came upon your channel today, this is the third or fourth video I've watched, and find that you have a lot of good information packed into them, and the nice idea to have a "quick look" at the key points, up front, is good for the people who don't have the patience...I found a couple of small things that I could discuss with you, but the overall offering certainly outweighs and small "quibbles" I might have ;-) ! (BTW, I have worked a lot in low-level electronic measurement systems, so do have a bit of background in noise, et al, and, "a few years" of shooting under my belt...)
Hi there! Thanks for this very helpful comment and for watching. So sorry for the late reply too - as TH-cam is a side-line, it has to take its turn in the day to day tasks. Yes, agree with you on HDR and on the idea of 'averaging'. I employ the term loosely. I am by no means an expert and share my experiences based on personal tests and observations - it's great to discuss these issues in comments like this as it's a great opportunity to learn more. I'm glad you found the channel and thanks so much for taking the time to watch and to comment :)
Certainly lives up to the billing ‘in depth’! Excellent as always. Clear and well paced - you are very much a renaissance man, artistic in vision, with an inner geek. Very good combo for this ever brilliant channel.
@@WillGoodlet I must admit I switch it to 'auto' and leave it to it! I used it for the astro photography I tried in SA on my last visit. Your video opened up details of the subject I had never before worried about!
Thanks so much for this very clear and helpful video. There is a lot here to take in so I’ll probably need to watch it again, then allow quite a bit of time and practice to learn to incorporate it into the way I approach photography, not least for wildlife.
Wow, Just Wow, I have watched at least 100 videos on this subject and still was lost, you have nailed it Sir and you earned a new subscriber. Thank You
wow!!! Really Appreciated, a lot of valuable information about Noise, out of my 6 years in Photography i have never came across such in-depth explanation about noise.
They are real photobombers :) One keeps trying to give me lemons during shots (she picks them off the tree) and the other one is always trying to catch bees.
Excellent video... excellent channel. I do have one technical suggestion... when you show photos or graphics, could you please leave them up a little longer? While you may know exactly what you are trying to illustrate, it sometimes takes a bit longer to find the aspects you are talking about. I really appreciate the expertise and knowledge you show on your videos. Thanks for taking the time to do such a thorough job explaining some highly complex ideas!
Tim Philp thanks for watching Tim and your welcome suggestion. I did try harder to leave them up longer in this one. My trouble is I talk and find examples later - and if I talk too fast I’ve moved on. I am aware they are quick and will try to find a solution. Cheers, Will
Interesting stuff, learn't a few things, for example, didn't know about the blue channel being most susceptible to noise. Did know about ETTR but easier to manage when photographing more static or lethargic subjects. Going to watch the post processing one next - thanks Will. Enjoying your content!
David Verbossche thanks for watching David. Yeah it’s a surprisingly involved topic, especially when you throw it n differences in camera design - I’m enjoying exploring it. I sometimes try a zone system approach to ettr - just try to expose for the brightest whites in front of me. Cameras of different ages need different compensation though and if you meter wrong there’s no comebacks.
Great content and information. I have only started shooting birds and noise has been an issue. I will give your advise a try thank you for your time and expertise.
Thanks, great content. Up to around 15 mins I was familiar with the issues and concepts. When you got onto the effects of DOF on perception of noise that was a new concept for me. isn't photography great, always something new to learn!
Look. At 14:20 it says on the right side of the screen that increasing iso reduces dynamic rage. Well ok, but isnt it strange that the X-T100 does not allow higher dynamic range unless you go from iso 100 to 800?
Yes, on many cameras dynamic range and saturation is generally reduced at Higher ISO. Evidence of this is the way highlights and bright tones become brighter and whiter at higher ISO. All cameras and sensors behave differently, and I have no direct experience of the X-T100 so perhaps that one works differently? Also, I don't believe that the ISO scale on different models of camera can be directly compared. They are 'just' numbers and the scale merely represents a doubling or halving of brightness/gain.
Very nice and very detailed. I have come across most aspects you raised in this video in my own experience but it is very nice to have a thorough summary with visuals, your narration, etc. to reinforce the points and to re-assure me that I have not been doing anything wrong or that the results I obtain are idiosyncratic, etc. So thank you very much and of course anything more on noise is always welcome. The only thing I would add is that (after all else is exhausted) cranking up your ISO eats dynamic range like nobodies business. Sensors with small dynamic range (historically most of Canon and esp. its crop sensors) really take a hit on DM when exposing to the right so the trade off is noise in the shadows vs DM (a few people fail to grasp this). And in that sense maybe shooting on a FF frame at higher ISO and the cropping to the crop equivalent may actually produce better results for both noise in the shadows and DM. The trade off is then resolution and how large one wants to print and the post-processing s/w to scale up that resolution but at least you will have a cleaner image with more DM to print.That’s my two pence after struggling many years with these issues.
Dimitris Tsagdis great points Dimitris! Thanks for watching too. Yeah, you are right - I made a brief note right at the bottom of one slide but you are right I should have talked more about the trade off. It’s a big topic to explore that’s for sure!
@@WillGoodlet Tnx; yeah I would also be curious to see how your R5 copes in crop mode with noise and if it is any better in FF mode and cropping in post like-for-like and the IQ in general. I know from previous SONY bodies that the crop mode had better IQ than cropping in post but I do not know how the noise did. Definitely more worthy watching content to be created in that direction. Esp. if you cannot get out to the animals and nature :-))
Thanks again, Will for another brilliant lesson. So many useful tips here and insightful knowledge on noise. I did find it difficult to read the inserted text whilst listening to your narrative. It might be better to cut the narrative whilst the overheads are up so that viewer's can concentrate on them. They also disappeared a little too quickly for me to have finished reading them. Still, your pace, and tone of voice are excellent.
David Garnett thanks David, yes I know the text is fast. I think it’s a good idea to hit pause (spacebar) sadly I can see a lot of people drop off the videos if I stop talking to allow time for reading. A case of not being able to please everyone! I felt that the text adds value and I should include it but am relying on the watcher to pause it.
Very valuable information for it to be free. Can't thank you enough! If you don't mind, I'd like to watch the follow up video you are talking about making at the end!
Thanks for watching and your very kind comment here - great to hear that you enjoyed it Apostolos and I will think about how I can make the follow-up :)
Great video yet again Will. A very large percentage of my photography/videography lately involves sports/action/wildlife because I only have the 70-300 (100-450 FF equivalent) so far for my Fuji X-T4 which I'm loving. Therefore, this tutorial is very helpful to me and I really like your laid back vibes in your videos. I'm not sure if you already do them, but do you do workshops? I love landscape photography and the TH-camrs I follow seem to do them frequently. But if you do wildlife photography workshops in Africa, I'd definitely consider it 👍. Keep up the great work dude.
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it. I’ve been looking at the Fuji XH2S with a lot of interest but because we can’t sell them on (no demand in used market) I haven’t pulled the trigger. I did reach out to Fuji and they didn’t reply sadly. I don’t do workshops as I’m not really set up for them, maybe in the future. I do sometime meet up with people when they come out here but I don’t charge for it, just nice to meet fellow photographers.
@@WillGoodlet so cool that you've taken an interest in the Fujifilm system. The colour science and hybrid capabilities of the X-T4 are amazing and the XH2-S looks like a beast for video and sports/wildlife photography. I've been living in Morocco until just before the earthquake ironically before returning to Wales for a bit, but that's the only African country I've been to so far. I was thinking of Namibia as my first southern Africa destination, but I'd love to know what recommendations you have.
@nomadictimbo9185 Namibia is one of my favourites. It’s very beautiful, at least to me, the gravel roads are good and there’s not too many people. South Africa is much more diverse with many more habitats and landscapes and a bit easier to get around. Namibia, at least the more remote parts, requires a decent vehicle and maybe some camping equipment. Having said that, my first time there (1993) was in ‘68 beetle and I managed to survive
@@WillGoodlet yeah I'm sure South Africa is awesome and when I go there, maybe I should let you know haha. After seeing so many documentaries on the African wildlife, I've got to get out there sooner rather than later.
Another video, explaining a difficult subject in some simpel and efficiënt way. Well done Will. And oh yes I definatly want to learn more , as with previews video's it helps moving on and improving (remember the heron in flight image...) btw lovely dogs you have.
Hi Will, Loved the video and in answer to your final question, yes I would love to know more above the removal of noise in post processing, I think that the more info you have on a subject and what causes it, the better off you will be in handling it at the final stages and result in better, personal presentations. Thanks again, Bruce.
Fabulous video Will. Best explanation of noise ive ever heard. Really enjoy your video's and thanks so much for taking the time to do them. They are really helpful and certainly and most importantly improves my photography and results. Your a legend!!
Will, thanks for a great explanation of noise. I have always wondered why the the same ISO gives me noise in some shots and not others that are close in time of capture.
Hi Peter, thanks for watching. YES! You are spot on with that observation and it is incredible that so few people realise the implications and remedies.
Great video - very useful and a much better explanation and discussion of issues than I have seen on any youtube channel before. Thank you. On a different but related point (not sure if you have covered this in a different video) it would be good to get thoughts on the comparison between higher pixel count sensors and cropping, or longer lenses. If money is no object you would have both, but on a limited budget where it's a choice between a more expressive high Mpixel camera body, or a 'better' (maybe still not the best quality) lens, how do you trade those off against each other.
Realy good and helpfull video will. Specialy for an olympus user like me ( micro four thirds ) there are definitly aome great things that I didnt know. Im gonna try them next time im out. And i think im gonna try thaf topaz tool aswell. Thnx again! Grt guido
Thanks Guido! Yes, I see that the Olympus can actually do a lot of this stuff in the camera and has a few more tricks of its own! Let me know how it goes, always interested in how other cameras work in the field.
Another great video! Great to watch videos on actual photography techniques and reasons. Been using Topaz Denoise recommended in your other video and it works very well.
It would be great to go in more detail and share some example and different scenarios or light conditions. Thanks for sharing. Great content as always.
Fantastic Will, thanks so much mate, I thought I had a pretty good understanding of noise and how to manage it but I learnt something today with your clip, very much appreciate your work and time putting your videos out to us, thanks so very much for sharing your knowledge and thoughts, very much appreciated.
Thinking about induced noise with exposure compensation for a backlit subject not to be in shadow or silhouette. What does the exposure compensation actually change when using manual exposure with auto-iso? My guess is it increases the ISO? If so is there a better way to decrease noise with backlit subjects?
We are talking about a moving subject right? It will change the ISO but the degree will depend greatly on metering. It's not a method I like much. If it's very strongly backlit for a moving subject would you agree that the only viable option is a reflector or artificial light? Or possibly a multiple exposure might work with care depending on the scene.
@@WillGoodlet yeah Will, I got canon eos r5 and mostly based on your notes. I am very happy now using the camera. Keep making these beautiful video tutorials- hope i get to meet you sometime..
Will, pretty impressive and detailed knowledge in this one. So much so that I will need to watch it another 2-3 times to make sure i get in and understand all the content. Added to my liked videos and I am in favour of you doing a post processing vlog as suggested. As always look forward to the next. See you out there!
Watch this video for a simple post processing of noisy images - HOW TO USE TOPAZ DENOISE WITH LIGHTROOM FOR WILDLIFE & BIRD PHOTOGRAPHY th-cam.com/video/kWTRR687F68/w-d-xo.html
I would never ever use artificial backgrounds for my photography, also I have chosen to not use a flash. Keep it simple and natural
Watched several of your videos and really like your style: no rambling and dragging on, no dramatic exaggerations, just solid and practical tips and advices delivered in an honest, unpretentious manner.
Thanks so much Joyce, really appreciate your kindness and encouragement.
Just simply brilliant Will! You were meant to teach. Thank you!
Wow thank you Steve :) glad you liked it!
This is the third video of Will's I have watched today. They have ALL been brilliant. Will's pace of delivery is just right, he is also very clear & concise with imparting his valuable knowledge. Keep up the good work.
Thanks again Steve! Very kind of you and great to get this feedback :)
Excellent. The pace in diction is so well judged. I loved both the content and the delivery. Phenomenal knowledge.
Thank you so much for watching and for such a kind and supportive comment!
That is the best presentation on noise and how to minimise it I have ever seen. Well worth investing the time. Thanks for making the effort to share your knowledge!
Thanks so much Steve, I really appreciate that. Makes it all worthwhile!
I live in western Oregon and photograph birds all year long, often 5 days a week, so, long lens, small aperture (typically, f/8 wide open), low natural light and no flash mean I'm often at the limits of what can possibly work with moderately active and definitely evasive subjects.
Rather than thinking about what I can do to minimize noise, I prepare by finding the ISO setting will give me sufficiently low noise files to make the 11x14 inch exhibition prints I find to be worthwhile. This takes into account noise in-camera and in post processing right up to the print. That ISO I then set as the maximum the camera is allowed to use and everything else, meaning shutter speed and aperture, fall where they may and hope that the birds will cooperate.
I'm now using an R5 after years with 5dsR, 90d, 7dii, etc. Looking at it backwards, as I do, I've found that I can now set a maximum useable ISO of 6400 whereas previous bodies could only work well at up to ISO 1600, anything that works at lower ISO is a bonus in terms of noise.
In rare cases when even ISO of 6400 isn't sufficient, I'll let it underexpose and realize that I'll have to do a bit more work to possibly get a decent print. The "ISO-less" part of the response curve comes into effect at about this point, too, I think, and that makes things easier in terms of camera settings fumbling during good action.
I can't remember when I've seen my autoISO setting drop to 100 with my main camera/lens setup. Maybe there was a sunny day in the snow some years ago.
Hi Frank, yeah I think you've got a good system for your conditions! I agree, it's often a good way to operate. You've also got a defined goal - your prints require this approach. It's also interesting to note what you say about lower ISO - I've often got glaring sunlight!
We often overlook output when thinking about photography. I can see that shooting for prints is not going to be the same as shooting 'events' or experiences. One thing that really worries me is missing a unique encounter. I know I might not get a print out of it but I'd hate to miss that once in a lifetime moment too. My past is littered with moments ruined by limits. I was photographing a perched bird and set the frame rate lower so as not to have too many frames to delete later. When the cheetah burst out of hiding, I was looking at the chase and kicking myself mentally as I photographed at 5fps! Too late to change. Same thing for a focus limit and a Serval encounter. It surprised me and came to within two metres. I was so excited I couldn't understand why I couldn't get focus - it was only after a while that I realised I'd left my focus limit on.
We shoot to our environment I guess and we learn (hopefully) from our mistakes and from learning from the practice of others. Now I try to remember to reset everything back to my standard after each encounter :)
Grateful to you for sharing your very useful info here.
One of the best video in YT.
Thanks Sougata!
I spent the evening with you! Your presentations and presence are outstanding. You u sweats s and explain details!
Thanks so much Steve! Appreciate you taking the time :)
Excellent.Clear and interesting-knowledgeable and no jargon.
Thanks Colin
Wow! I really enjoyed this video and learned a lot! I knew as a generality that you want to expose tot he right as best you can... kind of a Zone system for digital, but never considered different sources of noise and practical methods for minimizing them! Thank you very much, Will! Needless to say, I have subscribed to your channel! Cheers!
Will, I have only recently discovered you. You videos are fantastic and your photography is darn good too. Watching videos of you driving through the game lands puts me right there with you. Love the astrophotography too. I think we both have the same interests, wildlife and astro along with technical stuff too!
Well, I generally prefer shorter videos, but that is not true when it comes to yours. Your explanations are clear and all the information is interesting and valuable. Thank you!
Thanks Pat, so happy you liked it. I certainly don't intend to make them this long, it just kind of happened :)
Dear Will, today is the last day of this annus horribilis (as our dear Queen would say)! I would just like to wish you and your family (including your beautiful canines) a better 2021. I am slowly making my way through your wonderful videos on YT and can honestly say that finding your channel is one of the few ‘high points’ of 2020. I am learning a lot and hoping to put what I have learned to good use. Unfortunately I live in the south of France (some would say that is an advantage) so no exotic wildlife or magnificent plumed birds unless I visit a zoo! However, one day, when travel becomes permitted, I shall make my way to your wonderful part of the world and put into practice a little of what I have learned. Have a great New Year Celebration if possible, stay safe as I, (like many others) are looking forward to seeing more of your inspirational videos. Cordialement, Dawn.
Hi Dawn, so sorry I'm late to respond to you! Yes, annus horriblis sums it up... Thanks so much for your good wishes. It's a wonderful encouragement. I showed your comment to Fiona (my wife) and Dad because it was so fantastic to get it. Thanks.
I'm really glad you've been enjoying the videos, thank you for all your support.
Here's hoping 2021 is a marked improvement! Take care. Will.
Understood this more than i thought i would, so easy to listen to.
nick Peaple fantastic, thanks Nick :)
I have just discovered your channel today with your video on tripod heads and saw it was worthwhile and informative. This video is densely packed with information! Thank you!!
Welcome to the channel and thanks so much for watching:)
Nice vid, Will. Just a thought: When I discuss ISO with people who don't understand what is really happening, I always try to avoid using the term "sensitivity" at all and substitute "amplification". In my experience, the first step in explaining ISO is debunking the idea that the sensitivity of a sensor can be adjusted.
Yes, that's very sensible. Thanks for the feedback!
Great video, Will. I thoroughly enjoy the technical side of digital photography, always learning. Having played guitar for years I use the guitar amp to explain ISO. When the gain control is low the sound is clean, low ISO. As you increase the gain on the amp you introduction more and more distortion to the signal, high ISO. I extend this to the impact of ISO noise on dark and light areas. The low E string, dark will sound more distorted than the high E, light, at the same level of gain, ISO. Works for me, at least for those familiar with guitars!
Tristan, thanks! Your analogy makes perfect sense (even though I can't play a note) :)
Another super video Will. One of my fave TH-cam channels mate!
It is very wonderful and detailed discussion of the noise problem of digital photograph. I do enjoy your sharing of this knowledge. Thank you very much!
It's a pleasure, thank you for watching and leaving me such a nice comment :)
more videos on noise reduction would be great. I think your videos ate really useful and help us less experienced or gifted photographers a lot
Dankie Will! Much more in depth than other "Noise" videos on TH-cam. Hopefully ill catch you at Rietvlei of Merievale sometime. Just a point from my side, as a beginner, i have noticed sometimes you can't walk away from a shot, even if you know the conditions are not ideal, and there will be noise, but you go ahead and take it, just to be extremely disappointed when getting home to Post. Now i try to make a point of it, to rather walk away if i cannot get the shot in better or more ideal conditions.
Thanks for your videos, you have a new subscriber
Will, thanks for this informative video. Have watched it a couple of times to grasp the concepts. You have a lot to offer and we appreciate your willingness to share. Take care and have an awesome weekend.
Thanks Quentin appreciate you taking the time to comment. Hope all’s well for you over there and you have a great weekend too!
Another one of your wonderfully informed videos which are so very helpful. Many thanks.
Thank you Daniel! Apologies for my late reply!
Again a great tutorial! Thanks Will! Keep up the good videos!
Thanks Jan, will do my best!
I take a lot of sunset shots so this is very helpful as I'm quite self taught, trial and error. One thing you said about it being better to slightly overexpose than under, someone in this house who is the Expert, has lead me to believe its around the other way lol. I shall be trying your way and looking at some of my slightly over exposed shots in Lightroom. But I do understand that to under expose sometimes for effect is OK. Thank you once again. By the way love the Shepherds, I grew up with parents who bred them so spent my informative years with these beautiful dogs.
Hi Lisa, thanks for watching! The sheps like making videos :)
Like everything in photography there's a bit of give and take. My comments speak specifically to getting the best from shadows, while a sunset (especially with landscapes and clouds) might seek to get the best from a cascade of highlights and midtones.
Exposure also plays into colour. So underexposing the sky in a sunset will lead to a beautiful tumble of deep colours. Over exposing it will bleed them. The dynamic range is very large so the best approach for sunset landscapes is to blend a range of exposures (and the best technique is to use luminosity masking) a la Tony Kuyper - the grandad of luminosity goodlight.us/writing/luminositymasks/luminositymasks-1.html
Exposure is both a technical and creative choice. It's a balancing act with today's technology. Incidentally, film is still at a slight advantage when it comes to representing highlights. I've no doubt camera dynamic range will improve but our eyes are around 24 stops and the very best cameras still only 14 stops without factoring in the colour changes at the edges of their range.
The camera brand / sensor type will also feed into this. Invariant sensors (many sony's) will not improve dramatically when exposure is correct in camera (when using the 'fake' exposure adjustment - ISO) it's cleaner if done in software later on. While many Variant sensors (lot's of Canon) will be very, very poor if adjusted in software and show better results if exposed correctly in camera (even when using high ISO). Most Canon cameras are a stop or two behind the Sony's/Nikons for dynamic range.
That was really interesting and useful. I notice it was a while ago and you asked if anyone is interested in the processing if you do a follow up. Yes me! I would watch that. Thank you
Best video I've seen explaining noise thank you love your work and videos
Wow, thanks Philip!
Another excellent presentation. I've learned quite a bit now about noise now Thanks
Thanks for watching, glad you liked it!
Clearly more about noise than I knew about. Very useful. I use Affinity Photo and the information about the kinds of noise are helpful in knowing about how to do noise reduction there. Thank you.
Hi, glad to hear it was helpful, thanks :)
Awwwwe...... I spy, I spy a beautiful German Shepherd! 😊
I just discovered you a week or so ago; and I'm getting a lot of help from your videos. You have videos for all of my immediate concerns. Thanks for all you share! I like that you use a yellow background for all your thumbnails. It makes it easier for me to find the next photography video I want to see, in my Eyes/Focus Required list.
Thanks for watching Carolyn, glad you are finding the videos useful! And yep, the dogs like making videos. Now they insist in being in all of them :)
Very informative and interesting. Worth a watch people.
Thanks Fernando!
I learned and subbed. You answered a lot of questions I had in my head about noise.
Thanks Ray, great to hear that!
I like your video very much. You explain your situation and subjects very clearly. Thanks.
Many thanks Jaques! Appreciated :)
Hi Will; thinking about HDR's effects on noise...since one normally gets an "over" image with, maybe, 2 stops over-exposure, instead of averaging, per se, the HDR algorithm takes the shadow detail from the "over" image, so that the noise in the shadows is reduced, at the expense of blown highlights, which the HDR compositor ignores, and takes highlight detail from the "under" image... It's pretty good, but does suffer if there are any animals, or people, moving between exposures, where these give some strange effects!
I just came upon your channel today, this is the third or fourth video I've watched, and find that you have a lot of good information packed into them, and the nice idea to have a "quick look" at the key points, up front, is good for the people who don't have the patience...I found a couple of small things that I could discuss with you, but the overall offering certainly outweighs and small "quibbles" I might have ;-) !
(BTW, I have worked a lot in low-level electronic measurement systems, so do have a bit of background in noise, et al, and, "a few years" of shooting under my belt...)
Hi there! Thanks for this very helpful comment and for watching. So sorry for the late reply too - as TH-cam is a side-line, it has to take its turn in the day to day tasks.
Yes, agree with you on HDR and on the idea of 'averaging'. I employ the term loosely.
I am by no means an expert and share my experiences based on personal tests and observations - it's great to discuss these issues in comments like this as it's a great opportunity to learn more.
I'm glad you found the channel and thanks so much for taking the time to watch and to comment :)
Excellent, well informed and interesting video, thanks Will for taking the time to explain about noise...
Thanks for watching Tel, appreciated :)
Thanks for your explanations on this topic.
My pleasure Randi, thanks for watching :)
Your videos are the best. Thx Joe.
Glad you like them Joe!
Certainly lives up to the billing ‘in depth’! Excellent as always. Clear and well paced - you are very much a renaissance man, artistic in vision, with an inner geek. Very good combo for this ever brilliant channel.
Thanks Giles. No clickbait here hopefully ;) I noted that the Olympus seems to make a lot of the averaging techniques very easy to achieve in camera.
@@WillGoodlet I must admit I switch it to 'auto' and leave it to it! I used it for the astro photography I tried in SA on my last visit. Your video opened up details of the subject I had never before worried about!
Thanks so much for this very clear and helpful video. There is a lot here to take in so I’ll probably need to watch it again, then allow quite a bit of time and practice to learn to incorporate it into the way I approach photography, not least for wildlife.
Cheers! Thanks for watching and I'm glad it was useful :)
Wow Excellent Explanation very useful sir..you’re always great sir..
Many many thanks Jamesha, you are very kind!
Wow, Just Wow, I have watched at least 100 videos on this subject and still was lost, you have nailed it Sir and you earned a new subscriber. Thank You
Thanks Ray! I'm so glad you found the video useful. Hope to see you around :)
@@WillGoodlet I also downloaded Topaz, it is amazing.
wow!!! Really Appreciated, a lot of valuable information about Noise, out of my 6 years in Photography i have never came across such in-depth explanation about noise.
Thanks a lot Jai, really great to hear you enjoyed it. Thanks so much :)
Interesting and well presented video Will. Certainly learned from it. I would be interested in hearing more in a future video.
Thanks Jason, appreciated. I'll see what I can come up with.
What a great presentation from someone with in-depth knowledge of the subject.
Thanks for watching Robert, really appreciated and glad you liked it!
Will...another fabulous technical workshop. I love these. So much to ponder and learn. Please keep them coming. Very grateful, thanks :)
Thanks Mark! Great to hear that - what would you like to see next? It's hard to come up with ideas.
WOW! Best channel i've erver subscribed! Soooooo good! Thank you!!!
tlatown thanks really appreciated! :)
Is it bad that I'm excited that you have two GSD's in the background? Listening to you, but definitely watching them!
They are real photobombers :) One keeps trying to give me lemons during shots (she picks them off the tree) and the other one is always trying to catch bees.
Excellent video... excellent channel. I do have one technical suggestion... when you show photos or graphics, could you please leave them up a little longer? While you may know exactly what you are trying to illustrate, it sometimes takes a bit longer to find the aspects you are talking about.
I really appreciate the expertise and knowledge you show on your videos. Thanks for taking the time to do such a thorough job explaining some highly complex ideas!
Tim Philp thanks for watching Tim and your welcome suggestion. I did try harder to leave them up longer in this one.
My trouble is I talk and find examples later - and if I talk too fast I’ve moved on.
I am aware they are quick and will try to find a solution.
Cheers, Will
Interesting stuff, learn't a few things, for example, didn't know about the blue channel being most susceptible to noise. Did know about ETTR but easier to manage when photographing more static or lethargic subjects. Going to watch the post processing one next - thanks Will. Enjoying your content!
David Verbossche thanks for watching David. Yeah it’s a surprisingly involved topic, especially when you throw it n differences in camera design - I’m enjoying exploring it. I sometimes try a zone system approach to ettr - just try to expose for the brightest whites in front of me. Cameras of different ages need different compensation though and if you meter wrong there’s no comebacks.
suppose theres just more of the blue stuff , animals eyes are tuned into ultra violet blue spectrum , with their larger light receptors .
Thanks, Will. Very informative!
Thanks Bryan, great to hear that. Ps. your profile pic is sensational wish I could see a bigger version on YT.
Great content and information. I have only started shooting birds and noise has been an issue. I will give your advise a try thank you for your time and expertise.
Charlie Dickson a great pleasure- thanks for watching and good luck!!
I had tonwatchbthis video twice as there is a lot of information to take in !
Many for making this video
Tysonator ! Thanks for watching it. Yeah it’s a long one, hope it was useful.
Thanks, great content. Up to around 15 mins I was familiar with the issues and concepts. When you got onto the effects of DOF on perception of noise that was a new concept for me. isn't photography great, always something new to learn!
Cheers Steve, appreciated! Yep you are dead right :)
Look. At 14:20 it says on the right side of the screen that increasing iso reduces dynamic rage. Well ok, but isnt it strange that the X-T100 does not allow higher dynamic range unless you go from iso 100 to 800?
Yes, on many cameras dynamic range and saturation is generally reduced at Higher ISO. Evidence of this is the way highlights and bright tones become brighter and whiter at higher ISO.
All cameras and sensors behave differently, and I have no direct experience of the X-T100 so perhaps that one works differently? Also, I don't believe that the ISO scale on different models of camera can be directly compared. They are 'just' numbers and the scale merely represents a doubling or halving of brightness/gain.
Thanks again Will. Very interesting..
Cheers Nick :)
Love it! Need more details but as a starter is good enough.
will you pl make a video showing how to properly select a bird from busy bg using selection tool of photoshop. It will be of great help
Hi thanks for watching and the suggestion. I'll think about it although there should already be some on TH-cam?
Very nice and very detailed. I have come across most aspects you raised in this video in my own experience but it is very nice to have a thorough summary with visuals, your narration, etc. to reinforce the points and to re-assure me that I have not been doing anything wrong or that the results I obtain are idiosyncratic, etc. So thank you very much and of course anything more on noise is always welcome. The only thing I would add is that (after all else is exhausted) cranking up your ISO eats dynamic range like nobodies business. Sensors with small dynamic range (historically most of Canon and esp. its crop sensors) really take a hit on DM when exposing to the right so the trade off is noise in the shadows vs DM (a few people fail to grasp this). And in that sense maybe shooting on a FF frame at higher ISO and the cropping to the crop equivalent may actually produce better results for both noise in the shadows and DM. The trade off is then resolution and how large one wants to print and the post-processing s/w to scale up that resolution but at least you will have a cleaner image with more DM to print.That’s my two pence after struggling many years with these issues.
Dimitris Tsagdis great points Dimitris! Thanks for watching too. Yeah, you are right - I made a brief note right at the bottom of one slide but you are right I should have talked more about the trade off.
It’s a big topic to explore that’s for sure!
@@WillGoodlet Tnx; yeah I would also be curious to see how your R5 copes in crop mode with noise and if it is any better in FF mode and cropping in post like-for-like and the IQ in general. I know from previous SONY bodies that the crop mode had better IQ than cropping in post but I do not know how the noise did. Definitely more worthy watching content to be created in that direction. Esp. if you cannot get out to the animals and nature :-))
I really like the way you present all this information, makes it crystal clear even for someone with mediocre english skills :)
Dany Giletto thanks so much Dany, really kind of you to say so. Thanks for watching!
Very detailed information on noise! Appreciate your sharing of knowledge 👌👍🙂
Thanks Anant, I'm glad you liked it!
Your videos have high level of useful information.
Great to hear that! Thanks Robert.
Thank you so much for explaining in detail about very important topics "NOISE" in Digital photography. Greetings from Nepal🇳🇵
Thank you for watching from Nepal!
Thank you for this excellent video
You are very welcome Flor, thank you for watching it!
Thanks again, Will for another brilliant lesson. So many useful tips here and insightful knowledge on noise. I did find it difficult to read the inserted text whilst listening to your narrative. It might be better to cut the narrative whilst the overheads are up so that viewer's can concentrate on them. They also disappeared a little too quickly for me to have finished reading them. Still, your pace, and tone of voice are excellent.
David Garnett thanks David, yes I know the text is fast. I think it’s a good idea to hit pause (spacebar) sadly I can see a lot of people drop off the videos if I stop talking to allow time for reading. A case of not being able to please everyone! I felt that the text adds value and I should include it but am relying on the watcher to pause it.
@@WillGoodlet Next time I'll be ready to pause. Thanks again for a great lesson.
Very valuable information for it to be free. Can't thank you enough! If you don't mind, I'd like to watch the follow up video you are talking about making at the end!
Thanks for watching and your very kind comment here - great to hear that you enjoyed it Apostolos and I will think about how I can make the follow-up :)
Thank you Will, you make it look easy!!!
Another fantastic video, Will. I find your style so easy to follow and the information is first class! Keep up the good work. Many thanks, once again.
Hi Peter, thanks so much for watching and commenting and also for this wonderful feedback. Really appreciate your encouragement here!
Great video yet again Will. A very large percentage of my photography/videography lately involves sports/action/wildlife because I only have the 70-300 (100-450 FF equivalent) so far for my Fuji X-T4 which I'm loving. Therefore, this tutorial is very helpful to me and I really like your laid back vibes in your videos.
I'm not sure if you already do them, but do you do workshops? I love landscape photography and the TH-camrs I follow seem to do them frequently. But if you do wildlife photography workshops in Africa, I'd definitely consider it 👍.
Keep up the great work dude.
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it. I’ve been looking at the Fuji XH2S with a lot of interest but because we can’t sell them on (no demand in used market) I haven’t pulled the trigger. I did reach out to Fuji and they didn’t reply sadly.
I don’t do workshops as I’m not really set up for them, maybe in the future. I do sometime meet up with people when they come out here but I don’t charge for it, just nice to meet fellow photographers.
@@WillGoodlet so cool that you've taken an interest in the Fujifilm system. The colour science and hybrid capabilities of the X-T4 are amazing and the XH2-S looks like a beast for video and sports/wildlife photography.
I've been living in Morocco until just before the earthquake ironically before returning to Wales for a bit, but that's the only African country I've been to so far. I was thinking of Namibia as my first southern Africa destination, but I'd love to know what recommendations you have.
@nomadictimbo9185 Namibia is one of my favourites. It’s very beautiful, at least to me, the gravel roads are good and there’s not too many people.
South Africa is much more diverse with many more habitats and landscapes and a bit easier to get around. Namibia, at least the more remote parts, requires a decent vehicle and maybe some camping equipment.
Having said that, my first time there (1993) was in ‘68 beetle and I managed to survive
@@WillGoodlet yeah I'm sure South Africa is awesome and when I go there, maybe I should let you know haha. After seeing so many documentaries on the African wildlife, I've got to get out there sooner rather than later.
Great one, thank you very much
Thanks for watching:)
Terrific, clear, informative teaching. Thank you Will!
Thanks so much Rick! Glad you liked it.
Another video, explaining a difficult subject in some simpel and efficiënt way. Well done Will. And oh yes I definatly want to learn more , as with previews video's it helps moving on and improving (remember the heron in flight image...) btw lovely dogs you have.
Thanks Gert! Glad you liked it and yes I remember the heron :) Love my dogs even though they are a pain in the butt when filming!
Excellent presentation. Very interesting. Very technical but so usefull, thanks to share your knownledge
So nice of you to say so Yvon. Thank you for watching!
It's great stuff. Thank you.
Thanks Eigil!
Hi Will,
Loved the video and in answer to your final question, yes I would love to know more above the removal of noise in post processing, I think that the more info you have on a subject and what causes it, the better off you will be in handling it at the final stages and result in better, personal presentations. Thanks again,
Bruce.
Thanks Bruce, great to hear you enjoyed the video!
Will, thank you. Great info and many practical tips.
Thanks Jerry! Glad you liked it and sorry only to reply now.
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for watching Alexander!
GREAT CONTENT WORTH THE TIME
Many thanks for watching and commenting Doug :)
Appreciate the detailed info. Don't always understand all of it, but I'm much better off for having been exposed to it.
Thanks Romaine :)
Great video, thank you. Found your channel a couple weeks ago. Any video I’ve watched has been very helpful and informative.
Thank you for watching. I'm so glad you have found them useful :)
Fabulous video Will. Best explanation of noise ive ever heard. Really enjoy your video's and thanks so much for taking the time to do them. They are really helpful and certainly and most importantly improves my photography and results. Your a legend!!
Thanks so much Robert! I'm really pleased you found it useful - great to hear :)
Will, thanks for a great explanation of noise. I have always wondered why the the same ISO gives me noise in some shots and not others that are close in time of capture.
Hi Peter, thanks for watching. YES! You are spot on with that observation and it is incredible that so few people realise the implications and remedies.
Beautifully explained and yes please, am nterested.
Thank you Catherine, OK. Will get on it :)
I didn't know this about cropping an image or video.
So is it better to just zoom in then?
Thanks for the useful tips.
brilliant job
Thank you!
Very good presentation!!!
Great video - very useful and a much better explanation and discussion of issues than I have seen on any youtube channel before. Thank you.
On a different but related point (not sure if you have covered this in a different video) it would be good to get thoughts on the comparison between higher pixel count sensors and cropping, or longer lenses. If money is no object you would have both, but on a limited budget where it's a choice between a more expressive high Mpixel camera body, or a 'better' (maybe still not the best quality) lens, how do you trade those off against each other.
Thanks, Will - another excellent video. I have learned so much from this video. Much appreciated.
Thanks Johann! Great!!!
Realy good and helpfull video will. Specialy for an olympus user like me ( micro four thirds ) there are definitly aome great things that I didnt know. Im gonna try them next time im out. And i think im gonna try thaf topaz tool aswell. Thnx again! Grt guido
Thanks Guido! Yes, I see that the Olympus can actually do a lot of this stuff in the camera and has a few more tricks of its own! Let me know how it goes, always interested in how other cameras work in the field.
@@WillGoodlet yes that is true but olympus has a reputation of noise at higher iso range. But i will go and try things when im out soon.
Thanks Will, another great video, learning so much. I miss the sights and sounds of Africa
Thanks Dean, glad you liked it. I was in the Pilanesberg a couple of weeks back, hope to put together a field video from that.
Another great video! Great to watch videos on actual photography techniques and reasons.
Been using Topaz Denoise recommended in your other video and it works very well.
Thanks Ricki! Glad you liked it. Yep topaz is really making a big difference for me too.
It would be great to go in more detail and share some example and different scenarios or light conditions. Thanks for sharing. Great content as always.
Thanks for watching and the great feedback. I worry that I make the videos too long! But you are right it could use some more detail.
Interesting and informative, thanks for that one Will.
A great pleasure Iain, thank you.
Fantastic Will, thanks so much mate, I thought I had a pretty good understanding of noise and how to manage it but I learnt something today with your clip, very much appreciate your work and time putting your videos out to us, thanks so very much for sharing your knowledge and thoughts, very much appreciated.
Thanks! Happy to hear that.
Thinking about induced noise with exposure compensation for a backlit subject not to be in shadow or silhouette. What does the exposure compensation actually change when using manual exposure with auto-iso? My guess is it increases the ISO? If so is there a better way to decrease noise with backlit subjects?
We are talking about a moving subject right? It will change the ISO but the degree will depend greatly on metering. It's not a method I like much. If it's very strongly backlit for a moving subject would you agree that the only viable option is a reflector or artificial light? Or possibly a multiple exposure might work with care depending on the scene.
This is exactly something i was looking for...
Great! Glad to hear it and thanks for watching :)
@@WillGoodlet yeah Will, I got canon eos r5 and mostly based on your notes. I am very happy now using the camera. Keep making these beautiful video tutorials- hope i get to meet you sometime..
Subham Sengupta thanks Subham :)
Will, pretty impressive and detailed knowledge in this one. So much so that I will need to watch it another 2-3 times to make sure i get in and understand all the content. Added to my liked videos and I am in favour of you doing a post processing vlog as suggested. As always look forward to the next. See you out there!
Thanks Euge, glad you found it interesting. I'll see about doing a follow up. See you out there!
Many thanks for another great video! I’m happy that I found your channel. You explain very good and in a detail level that suit me very well.
Hi Helen, that's fantastic to hear. I'm so glad you like them!
This is super interesting and helpful, thank you!
Thanks Bruce!
Great quality content!
Thanks Daniel, appreciated!