Your videos/guides have been tremendously helpful for me getting the most out of the post game - this one in particular. Getting Metallia doesn't require missions and she's a monster so leveling her and her subclasses was a breeze with magichange - With this methods and builds, I got my squads fully updated and 10x +10m stats so fast! As bonus I got a great single target damager out of Metallia and emergency finisher from Pram afterwards.
Coming back to this game for the last 2 achievements and finding something like this is GOLDEN! This build is genius, and your presentation, explanation and recap is probably the best tutorial video I've ever seen. Kudos to you man, you get a like and sub.
It definitely took some doing, but I was finally able to get everything set up just like you showed, and it's awesome! Thanks for making this video guide, it's very well-paced and I'm especially grateful you also put the info in text form in the description.
Thank you very much for the Guide DOOD! I have been trying so many ways to do this but you explaining that all i needed to do was grind out the correct evilites with my DLC characters totally solved my Problems.
Thanks for this upload and especially the text breakdown for what you were talking about. Am waiting not so patiently for Disgaea 5 for PC to be released.
This is a total classic as to why Pram and Metailia are the two most important characters to max classes on as soon as you manage to get to carnage mode. Btw Giant Squad/fiinal Boss Glare are the first things to discard after you shard max the star duo involved. =)
Thank you, glad I could help. I didn't come up with this method from scratch though, this was just my attempt to optimise a known idea. I don't know who first had the idea to use Metallia and Pram together.
Thank you very much for this breakdown! This set-up let me farm for shards about 10x faster. For what it's worth, I just got Metallia in Revenge Mode every time by passing the Critical Situation bill. If she stands with her back to the wall and Defends, she can weather the storm at the start despite To the Death killing her defense. Then just form up and destroy!
You have, for all intents and purposes, Mastered Extract Farming! It is efficient enough, relatively easy to setup, and it's really fast (it's the fastest Asagi clear I've seen). Nice!
MY MAN THIS GUIDE WAS AMAZING!!! You may be surpried to hear that you can use this strat to beat void in the last carnage challenge. I used metalica to kill all his support except the pram killed 2 before that happened so i revived them with majoritas passive to fight for me.I used the professor to keep her buffed and with giant.She did 650 mil with each shot and he died eventually.It came super close in the end and i only won couse the last Pram passive hit him after he re-summoned some servants on the last turn.The fight was mainly me sacrificing all my units to him so zerokens overload came in clutch too.
Thx for the setup, I didn't know that Metallia and Pram overloads were ATK based so I never tried ATK% stack. Now shard farming doesn't seem so painful, 22 runs to 10mil max 5 characters is VEEEEEERY time efficient
Metallia and Pram are both INT-based in this vid. Disgaea 5 just has poor descriptions - most "ATK" evilities actually boost ATK ADJ/attack adjustment/attacking power, which is a semi-invisible boost to whatever stat(s) you use to deal damage. Other than evilities that boost all stats there are very few that specifically boost the ATK stat.
I've gotta say thanks for this (the delayed pc release really let me research the game tons) as postgame it made me trash pick up 'geo and friends' for max classing on Pram and Christo first. My next 9 max class were by leveraging Pram's Glass illusion Combo with a Zetta in 5ish star MT4 with my 10m stat Chisto backing her up with 8 magichanged monsters (Mettalia, Usalia and Desco most notably in that pack). Had I known about the unique Asagi's Common Evility Never Give up working on Combo Skills, all this initial MT4 stuff would have been trvivial , but it was nothing too bad without it.
I can't explain how much this has helped me! I was trying to clear this map with my Sage's land decimator, but the only way I could clear in about 5 turns was on 1* difficulty. So PAINFULLY slow shard gains. After a few hours grinding to get this set up ready (never touched Christo in my play through), I was able to make this stage my bitch and get my shard/extract stat caps for my mains. Pretty sure my dick grew a couple inches too. Much appreciated good sir!
I might be 3 years late but let's be real it's never too late for Disgaea. I wrote a list for all the evilities/skills/abilities I'll need, thought I may as well share it :) PS: you should still watch the video ofc Two weaklings: Forced Counter (Martial Artist R6) Self Sacrifice (Shroom R3) Secret Recon (Ninja R6) Professor: Get skill Magic Boost up to +50% so it becomes +100% (caps out), increase range to at least 3. Angel Song (Celestial Host) Cursed Dance (Sorcerer) ---------------------------------------- Tension Booster (R4) Maid: (Have her use the extracts) Cannon for an Arm (R3) Licensed Caregiver (R6) Mettalia & Pram: Freezer Ability on Weapon & Professionals for +100% crit damage Elemental Force Metallia - Bullying / Pram - Acceleration Shot ---------------------------------------- Purgatory Metallia - Shaking Excitement / Pram - Desperation Critical Point (Petta) To the Death Metallia - Mental Pain / Pram - Cold Blessing Final Boss Glare (Desco) Unconditional Love (Artina) Christo: Angel Song Cursed Dance ---------------------------------------- Heavy Stance Violence (Void Dark) Salvatore: T Interrogator
@@GamerJV I just did the first few since you prob want Metallia Pram and Christo to have maxed classes for those stats. Google can help otherwise but I seriously don't know why one wouldn't want to max them
After trying this myself, I have some suggestions to save time for others: First, you don't need a maxed-out Salvatore to properly interrogate the Asagis, but you do need a couple of maxed out units in the squad with her. Also, you don't need a maxed out Christo. Basically, my Christo had stats well below a million even with Violence/Heavy Guard, and Metallia still managed to capture 98 units. Pram would always nuke the remaining one and the boss. It's still a good idea to max Christo in general because he's amazingly useful, but for the purposes of this grind, you don't need him at his absolute best.
The Salvatore in the vid isn't maxed anyway. If Metallia is failing to capture one of the Asagis (so Pram is having to nuke 2 targets) then you probably want to do something to fix that, e.g. fixing Christo.
@@RellePlays Yeah Salvatore's stats don't matter at all as long as you've got some strong units in there with her. The one in the vid is basically the same as when she was recruited. Stats in the 20k-ish range might as well be 0 compared to the Asagis.
@@blueeyesmew mhh but Salvatore need to do the inrrogation or just need to be the leader when you use the extract command? I usually put as leader my strongest unit, interrogate then then put Salvatore in as leader back and extract.
@@ultimategrayfox Most likely when extracting. Interrogation uses the combined stat (whichever is shown for that method) of its members, so having the strong unit in the back works anyway.
This worked great! Just in case anybody else is as bad at keeping on top of the mechanics in this game as I am: I was extracting away and decided to take a break after Metallia, Pram, and a few other characters were maxxed to go do some Carnage World progression and class maxing for some other characters for a few days. Then I went back to shard farming and... it wasn't working. I just couldn't get Metallia to max rage so she could overload, stopping just shy of it every time. After a few days of double, triple, and, quinteple-checking everybody's evilities I decided that no, I really handed changed anything. Maybe there's some kind of a bug? So I reworked everybody's evilities. Same shit. Maybe there's some mechanic I hadn't noticed where buffs can get resisted, and now that Metallia is a god and my prof is a level 100 squishy, Metallia isn't getting the buff? Nah (although I didn level the prof to max just to be safe). After days of screwing around and googling I finally found out what happened: Turned out I was screwing around with curry and made some ATK+ but rage-lowering concoction and was still under the effect of it. I made a proper thimble curry and then I was back in business (although at this point Metallia was badass enough that she didn't really need the curry and a lot of the evilities) Hopefully that helps somebody having the same brainfart that I did
This is wonderful. I only just got to the carnage dimension and can only really clear Martial Training 3 (the knights in 4 are too swole for my one unit) consistently but I'll definitely be referring to this in... 6 months when these two are strong enough.
You can get strong surprisingly quickly in the Carnage Dimension. I have some vids on how to master subclasses (in order to reach 10m stats from leveling up) without needing high stats already: Carnage IW method (usual method): th-cam.com/video/H158I9OHzhQ/w-d-xo.html Carnage MT5 method (avoids randomness, needs DLC): th-cam.com/video/dz215yJmOxw/w-d-xo.html
@@blueeyesmew I was using the Trash Collector item world method to work Killia. While also grabbing carnage weapons with my thief that has Almaz's ability to make chests better. Though now that I think of it I should also be using the thief ability with the chest too.. hrm. I'll check out your other video as well. I figured MT5 was useless because of lucky boards.
@@goldskarr There's another vid on this channel that has ways to use MT5 for subclasses by actually killing the Lucky Board with an already strong unit. For the vid I linked there though you get class proficiency from throwing one Geo Symbol onto another, and by having a couple of units with the Geo Damage evility the damage from destroying the Geo Symbols kills the Lucky Boards. A change you can make to the method to avoid needing high movement and/or jump is described in the description and pinned comment on that vid, and also described here: gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/835980-disgaea-5-alliance-of-vengeance/79450872
Lockdown antics caused me to start a new game with just Pram, a level 6 Metallia was more than enough to beat the 3x stages needed to get her at level 1. Was trivial to beat the story with her alone, no squads no item world needed ended up like level 300 ish. So I started on an abbreviated (skipped farming innocents) post game to see how to optimize it and used Prams combo with Zetta to power up the usual monsters with them (Metallia, Usalia with optional Desco and Priere + 4 moth generics) to prep carnage. I used that buffed Metallia right off the bat to do 20 star Sandcano Challenge by prepping her with that 10 mana bonus gauge boost. Sit Metallia to tank four so rounds to get her revenge going (rank 4 warrior skill fighting Instinct would lessen this if I thought of it beforehand but no big deal). Once Metallia is ready to go, summon your netherworld to remove the -20% accuracy effect and hit overload for 76 or so Level 640 prisoners easy as that. Used those prisoners to max out the easy squads without interrogating them and found something interesting with a maxed Alchemy Squad led by Mao and whatever DLC characters you do not plan to use right now, you get a Gency every round of combat if it's the only thing on the plate. That means when you take Pram and her cast of misfit monster buddies (sans moths) to go 'Geo/symbol busting' with trash pickup from Raspberyl instead of geo blast, you get a nice LoC eclair followed by the next gency you use to exit the next round... no need to stockpile! SPeaking of moths, take at least two of them out of spamming research and get martial artist and ninja maxed and at least 2 stars on shrrom on them while pram is going symbol busting to prep them for farming shards with this amazing setup blueeyes made for us. All that is left is buffing optional Christo and turning the third moth into a professor. I also found out for sure that no matter how many prinny hat/instructors you put in a group, you just barely miss maxing out the top tier classes like sage and pirate so use maid to afternoon Pram and hit another symbol and can use the maid again to gency out ! =) Assuming you 99'ed a nuke spell on Pram, trash pickup owns geo blast. Missed rounds are rare due to presence of symbols littering the maps.
If the Alchemy Squad is maxed and full it can make 1 Gency per turn even when making 3 items. Pirate/Sage/Dark Knight are indeed impossible to max in a single kill (though can be maxed in a single AoE skill that kills multiple enemies). There's a cap on Class Proficiency per kill and those 3 classes need more than that cap.
I wish i could find a video about using the prinny squad to super fast max out classes. I know about geo blasting LoC.. but apparently you can do it to 20 people at once or something? This process confusses me, but it sounds so useful.
I think secret recon is kinda optional for anyone that doesn't feel like doing chara world with your mothmen. Just take all gear off and Asagi kills you just the same. I must say, this guide helped a lot!
Thanks this is great! I'm capturing 98 enemies consistently and I just hit "end turn" a couple times after and pram finishes the other two no problem. NOTE: I would just like to add from the other information I've pieced together from the internet that if you max Valtorez and place him in the interrogation squad, he has an evilty "absorption" that allows him to sponge an extra 20% stats off those he extracts giving you a small amount extra on the extract. I can repeat this process 3 times and have a 1 million bottle of extract. After about an hour with the right setup on your maid, you can max a full squad. Nice video and character setup. Tried and true tested.
Not sure why you're unable to capture 1 of the non-boss Asagis. Also I don't think Absorption has any interaction with extracts, are you thinking of Salvatore's T Interrogator?
@@blueeyesmew yes with ur method, thts y im following ur video. I just wonder why others still persist with inefficient one. So far ur playlist is already complete wherein i dont even need to look for better one 😂
With Medical Insertion increasing Magic Boost past +4 just makes it cost more since the effect of buff spells caps at +100%. Good to know it can be done without stats on Christo though.
Wow, this is the first time I have seen someone use Pram's unique evility in such a useful way! Really nice to use her to kill the final boss Asagi. Would it also be useful for her to equip the Evility that does 50% extra damage to Bosses? Since she is only there to kill the boss.
If you did then you'd replace Desperation. With how high the stats on the boss Asagi are it's pretty close between those options (King's Dignity is actually probably slightly better tbh - I didn't realise when making this vid that Punishing Prophecy is slightly stronger than a normal attack, which threw off my calcs a little).
Im late to the party. Ive done this exact setup and my pram is not one shotting the boss asagi. Any reason that might be? She is only doing about 130M damage.
Does she have a level 100 Professional on her equipment? Is she wielding a weapon with Freezer on it? Is she successfully entering Revenge Mode? Is she in the Giant Killer Squad (for the stat boost and to make Final Boss Glare work)? If a curry is active what's the main ingredient? Make sure it's not one that's applying a Freezer-like effect for a different element (e.g. Stardust Rod as a main ingredient turning attacks star elemental).
Nice work,I use a 20m Metallia and 20m pram(Extract+subclass) but my pram build is different for 1.9 or 2.4 Billion damage . Foot squad . Pram : Bushido,elemental force,acceleration shot,Purgatory,to the death,cold blessing,desperation,mana scarcity and critical point . same thing for Metallia except I replaced Cold blessing by Mental pain and her unique are mass blaster,elemental force and bullying. that work well at 10m stats too . But to be honest just : Critical point,puragtory,critical point and desperation on Pram are enough to one shot the boss when she is near the 20m christo so the rest of the stuff you added are pretty much not worth farming . especially because she is inside the foot soldier squad and christo increase her dmg by 20% of his int
Pram's setup may very well be overkill in this vid. Metallia's is extremely tight though. Keep in mind this is designed for farming extracts without having extracts already, and without having killed Carnage Dark already (since ideally you want extracts before fighting him, though he's possible without). Also Mass Blaster sadly doesn't work with map-wide Overloads (Greedy Mekhashefa, Murmur of Rage, or Comet Disaster).
@@blueeyesmew you're right and yup pram is overkilling but all good . you're the best , I like your videos . Now you mention it,make sense tho,i'm using shards didn't thnk about that so good point there . but a quick question,will you make more videos soon? I might be a bit too high right now but i enjoy watching your videos .
@@sephorasarahtremblay5178 Glad you enjoy the videos. I make videos when there's something I want to make a vid about and manage to find time to do so. If there's something you'd like to see a vid on then let me know. I can't promise to make a vid on it, but it's good to have an idea of what people want to see/would like help with.
@@blueeyesmew welll a video on how to reach 99m stats without buffs etc . I know that eclipse power is a lot of grinding but can't figure how it really work,would be nice to have something about that . that would be nice. well if you can.
@@sephorasarahtremblay5178 Honestly for reaching 99m stats there's not enough there to make a vid out of, nor anything to really demonstrate - the following is sufficient: 10m basic stats from leveling up 10m extracts 3x soft-capped equipment 300% aptitudes and maxed mastery +100% stats from evilities and squads Maybe I could also dispel some misconceptions, clarify what aptitudes do, etc? Not saying I definitely won't make it, but it doesn't really suit a vid imo. I could make a vid on Eclipse Power, but it doesn't really leave much to cover either and isn't something worth putting a lot of effort into. You gain 0.01% of the stats of any Item Generals/Kings/Gods, Proto Darkdeaths, invaders, mystery room enemies, and Netherworld Research Overlords you kill while Eclipse Power is equipped. This caps at 10m HP and 300k non-HP at first but each time you cap the non-HP stats you can raise the cap as an end reward on Super Overlord difficulty of Chara World. You can break the cap 99 times to be able to reach the cap 100 times total, for 1b HP and 30m non-HP total (which is horrendously impractical to reach). I made a vid on Prinny Instructor despite it basically involving me drawing out a fairly simple idea since Prinny Instructor is a very useful evility. Otherwise I'm wary of making vids on things that would work better a short written guide.
Do you have the Asagi map unlocked at all? It's unlocked via the "Research a Mysterious Netherworld!" bill. If you do have it unlocked then the Carnage version should be available via the Carnage Guide, though it's named slightly differently from the non-Carnage version (non-Carnage is The Phantom Copies -> Double Fake, Carnage version is Double Illusion -> Double Fake).
First make sure your prison is empty - it can only hold 128 prisoners at a time. Then make sure you're not missing anything (level 100 Professional innocent, Freezer unique innocent, Magic Boost at +4 or higher being used by someone with Medical Insertion, etc).
@@blueeyesmew it work now, i forgot about professional and my prisoner is full before. Thanks dood. Now i will farm this and try to beat cranage void with your methode.
I'm doing this with the exact same setup, and I'm not seeing a full revenge gauge for Metallia when the moths die. She gets just a hair under full, and I have to end turn and get hit to fill it completely. She still manages to capture 98 units, but I'd still like to get the one-turn capture. Also, how OP does Christo have to be in order to get all the units? I didn't max his subclasses, not sure if I want to go that hard on him.
Make sure the fodder units have Self-Sacrifice and aren't too far away Metallia and Pram when they die (the distance matters). Also make sure the buffer has Tension Booster. The setup is rather tight, so having Christo at 10m stats might matter. Having Christo at high stats is useful anyway since he's always useful to have adjacent to attacking units. There are ways to master subclasses on multiple units at once, so if you have anyone else you want to raise for future use then raise Christo along with them. Also make sure you have room in the prison - it only holds 128 prisoners at a time.
@@blueeyesmew oh, I think I'm missing tension booster. How do you level multiple subclasses at once without magichange? I've just been doing item world geo blast farming.
@@RellePlays Magichange is the main way. If you have any generics you want to master subclasses on then you can raise them as monsters while mastering subclasses, then reincarnate into the desired class later. It's possible to master subclasses on multiple humanoids at once though. If you use Trash Pickup (common evility of Raspberyl) to deathblow Item World scenery then it also makes tower attacks involving that unit deathblow. You want to use Prinny Instructor (which I have a vid on) to boost the class proficiency gains to overcome towers splitting class proficiency. I have a vid on mastering subclasses via Carnage Item World if you want more info. You can also use combo skills (if any of the units you want to raise have a combo skill with each other) or Team Attacks (if you have a way to force Team Attacks to happen) with Trash Pickup, but you'd still want Prinny Instructor with those.
I just did a grind at 10 stars until I got one extract with 9,999,999 to all stats. Then I just had a maid with Licensed Caregiver give that one extract to Metallia, Christo and Pram + 2 units of my choosing and then I was able to breeze it on 20 stars. Also if you are having issues with revenge, make sure the Mothmen have forced counter and the one that gives units 20% when they die (cannot think of the name if it right now) and make sure your professor (christo in my case) has tension booster and you have that unit cast a magic magic boost on all three units. Also if you still don't have enough make sure that buffer unit has Veteran support so you can just cast it again. The 2 mothmens evilities on death and tension booster x2 is 60% revenge gauge right there.
And also, if you want fast class mastery just jump into an LoC eclair on 20 stars with a thief that knows geo blast. Get lots of Mr. Gencies and just keep jumping in to kill a geo sphere. Combine that with the career master evility (+100 class mastery) and it will take you about 1-3 mins to 6 star any class. There are like 3-4 classes you have to kill 2 geo spheres for, for that I recommend bringing a maid so if there is 2 geo spheres on the map it is still just one trip.
I think I followed this to the T, but every time, it only captures 45 enemies, even when I lower difficulty. Any ideas? Is 100% crit curry necessary for this?
Make sure there's room in the prison (it can only hold 128 prisoners). Crit curry isn't necessary for this since Revenge Mode gives 100% crit rate anyway.
How long will this take to even set up if I’ve been stuck farming 1 Star Carnage Asagi just to get ONE sage near the cap? I’ve been struggling trying to get the 10 million out of the shards cause I straight up CANNOT kill Asagi any higher than 1 star. Any help is appreciated
Depends what you've done already. Sorting out the evility slots and spreading the evilities should be possible in under an hour. If you need to unlock the required DLC units then that'd add some time. If you don't have a couple of level 100 Professionals yet then there's an element of luck with how long breeding takes. The big time sink though is mastering subclasses for Metallia, Pram, and Christo. Metallia is at least a monster so can Magichange onto either of the other 2, but Pram and Christo are humanoids and hence hard to work on together. If you want something easier to prepare but not as fast at farming as this method then check my vid on capturing Carnage MT4 (and check the description or top pinned comment of it for known improvements): th-cam.com/video/XisOpS344qw/w-d-xo.html
@@blueeyesmew I’ve got all the evilities, and it seems like I’m seriously gonna need the mastery for Pram and Metallia. I’m almost there Also, how on earth do I get the professionals? I literally only have a Lv3 professional and none of my weapons have any. At least I’m through with Character World for a while
@@blueeyesmew funny you’re still around. Didn’t expect that, so thanks a lot. I’ve gotten them past the 10 million threshold, and I can usually catch about ~70 of the Asagis but they just kill me in the end.
How can i equip to metallia and pram ELEMENTAL FORCE? i've mastered all classes with them , but i cannot seem to find that unique evility , have i done something wrong ?
You need to get an extra unique evility slot before you can buy unique evilities. You get one from a bill and one from landing the killing blow on the Prinny boss that unlocks Carnage Dimension (this fight can be repeated). You can also get another by landing the killing blow on the boss at the end of the Carnage quest chain.
Thank you for your video :) I'm just playing this game now so you might not be able to answer, or even remember.... But I don't have Artina or a Sorcerer. Could I used Ultimate Power in lieu of Unconditional Love? What could be a replacement for Cursed Dance? Thanks mate.
Ultimate Power won't work since, unlike most evilities that mention ATK, it actually means the ATK stat instead of ATK adjustment (ATK adjustment, which I refer to as "ATK modifier" in the vid, is what is needed here). On Metallia replace Mental Pain and Unconditional Love with Mana Burner (one of Metallia's own common evilities). Remove it before having Metallia fight using anything other than her Overload though. On Pram try to obtain Ambush, Blizzard Blessing (replace Cold Blessing), or Snow Blessing. Alternatively you could replace Cold Blessing with Priere's Seeking Strength common evility. Use Evil Eye instead of Cursed Dance.
This doesn't use the unique evility slot from Carnage Dark, just the unique evility slots from passing a bill and killing Carnage Prinny. If you can do this setup at all (or even have access to Carnage Dimension) you've already got access to those.
@@blueeyesmew hey i cant seem to capture all, i average from 80-90 captures per run, i HAVE 100 professional equipped, Christo is out to prevent nicks so i dont think its a problem with the critical as well. Any idea why?
@@whis1272 When about to use the Overload if you hold the button to "View Details" what do the ATK ADJ and DMG ADJ display as? They should show 305% and 36% respectively. Also make sure you have room for the prisoners - the prison can only hold 128 at a time.
I had a really basic curry in effect here - Fairy Dust (main - grants HP and SP recovery) and 100x Thimble (other - grants 100% crit rate). It didn't really matter for this setup since Revenge Mode also grants 100% crit rate anyway.
Okay... Do you absolutely NEED the 100 professional innocents? I only have about 7 right now, so... but I've got absolutely everything else and the only thing I don't have is those innocents. I'm pulling about 80+ asagis at a time
100 Professional vs no Professional makes you about 1.67x as strong, so it's a massive difference. You're eventually going to want Professionals anyway, e.g. for killing enemies in the Item World of Carnage R40s at 20* (for kill bonus). One thing to keep in mind is that you can breed a Professional with a high level innocent of a different type. In most cases it's random which parent the offspring matches but the level is based on the average level of the parents. A high level easy to get innocent could help in getting some reasonably high level Professionals. If the other parent is high enough level you might even get capped Professionals as offspring.
@@blueeyesmew OMG I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT!!! I just finished my stacks of Statisticians, and was dreading how long it would take to get a stack of 100 Professionals, since all the ones I have are like 4 or 5. I can just stick the Professional in with my stack of Statisticians and have a 50/50 shot.
Wonderful setup, I dont have the remaining evility slots, haven't done that boss you mentioned in another comment. But pram kills boss in 3-4 turns, good enough for me haha
If you're doing this the same way the vid does (20*, capturing all of the non-boss Asagis, and with Salvatore's common evility to increase extract stats) then it should take 22 extracts to reach 10m stats. Not sure where you got 86 from.
Ever considered using Axel, Rozalin and Plenair to increase stats? Since you are not using LD they shouldn´t be at risk. And are you going to post videos for Disgaea 6 when it releases?
Christo and Metallia already hit the cap on stat increases, so it'd only be Pram who could benefit from stat increases. Rozalin gives ATK ADJ rather than stats (Artina increases stats of adjacent male allies though) which could help, except Artina and Rozalin only boost male allies (which also conflicts with Axel boosting female allies) so Pram and Metallia would need Gender Bender (and this setup is trying to avoid random Chara World evilities). I might make Disgaea 6 vids in the future, we'll see.
900 is the cap on a single stack of Statisticians and also the effective cap per unit. In other words multiple stacks of 900 Statisticians on the same unit won't help, even if they're on different pieces of equipment.
@@blueeyesmew ok was reading about that and wanted to make sure man land of carnage is no joke lol but i am 10mill in all my stat on my dark knight and play about 100 games of char world while breeding innocents working on my super sage
What am I doing wrong? I have the exact same setup as you do, except the Mothmen dont have the evility to reduce their hp to 0 as i felt theres no need for it since they die in 1 hit anyways. My interrogation room is empty and i only manage to capture around 88 of them at 20*. Literally everything is the same, i have no idea...
What do the ATK ADJ and DMG ADJ show as when Metallia's using her Overload? Does she have a level 100 Professional? Is Magic Boost +4 or higher and being used by someone with Medical Insertion?
@@blueeyesmew ATK ADJ is 305% DMG ADJ is 36% Magic Boost is at +4, being used by Professor with her unique evility to all 4 characters like you do. What is level 100 professional?
@@alexsanchez6155 Shown briefly around 2:10 (and mentioned around 2:22) it's an innocent that increases crit damage (in previous Disgaea games it increased crit chance).
Press (enemy) or hold (ally) Y (on Switch) on a unit to "Display Move Range & Bonus". If you instead meant the total ATK ADJ and such then hold ZR (on Switch) while targeting units to "View Details".
Crab Pincer (for Metallia) and Shell Staff (for Pram) both have the Freezer unique innocent and can be bought from the store. There are other weapons with Freezer, but those are the ones used in this vid.
Hey man, what about getting the 4th slot for christo. I mean Carnage Dark is no push over. Is the last slot necessary for the process? I kinda just wanna get the 20 Mil stats from shards and subclasses and start diving in the item world. If I do need that last slot, are you going to make a video detailing how you did it?
Christo doesn't have the Carnage Dark slot here, he only has 2 extras (from the assembly bill and Carnage Prinny, being used for Angel Song and Cursed Dance). Remember that Christo has 2 unique evilities of his own (Tactician and Superlative Ally) and so ends up with 1 more unique evility than most units (same with the other story characters).
I know this comment is 2 years old, but if someone is reading this and is too lazy to master a lot of subclasses with Pram (like me :P), you can focus on INT stat only. Master the subclasses with highest INT (sage, professor, ninetails, etc.) and learn every possible "Smart Guy" evility. With little effort I have a Pram with 4M INT. She takes more turns to kill the last Asagi, but it's OK for me
a few question here. Why use Bullying over Mass blaster for Metallia? Why do you use Ice specifically? Does it work as well with Wind or no element? (It's just about a 120% total power boost and Asagi have 0% resist for ice) Pram's evility does about 2b damage in your demonstration. I have trouble understanding this damage since that Asagi Boss has 1,7b hp and 69m in res. which means no matter how much multiplier you put on top, a 50x time 0 is still 0. you can't damage someone with over twice your stats without any combo or weakness exploit. I really don't understand why you can even damage her. Is Pram's evility like... "true damage" or does it ignore Res/Def?
Mass Blaster doesn't work on Metallia's Overload, Comet Disaster, nor Murmur of Rage. In other words mapwides other than Land Decimator. Works on Squad Attack though. Any non-star element works equally well, Pram just starts with 99% ice resistance. Need an element because Elemental Force is a strong unique evility when you know the enemies have an element they don't resist. ATK ADJ boosts, e.g. Angel Song, apply before DEF/RES. So do skill multipliers (usually good for the attacker, though bad for mapwides as those tend to have multipliers of less than 100%).
@@blueeyesmew but in the toto bunny map with like 50 zombies, mass blaster changes Metallia Overload from about 50% "dmg" to full 100% "dmg" for her overload. Does this mean there is a blockage for LoC or past a certain number of enemies? I'll try for myself later, just in case. Maybe i'm just remembering it wrong. Elemental force reflect elemental resistance on elemental attack. but doesnt that means a+99% damage ? I wonder if there is a way to get the same boost from somewhere else for cheaper I had a suspicion a weapon's element changed the nonelemental skill's element but I didn't know it would do the same for Overloads. I need to pick up D5 again. thanks for the answers!
@@theprinnyranger I'll retest Mass Blaster later, but I'm pretty sure I've tested it repeatedly. Elemental Force is ATK ADJ btw. +99% ATK ADJ (or +75% on Metallia, though it could be +99% with innocents) is a lot for a unique evility. Rage Charge is an easy +200% vs Baal but isn't as easy (nor fast) to build elsewhere. Even comparing to DMG evilities Acceleration Shot doesn't work with non-Squad Attack mapwides, and Assault Attack requires moving further which slows things down. Burner/Blower/Freezer change the element of all non-elemental attacks (including captures). Some curry effects do the same, e.g. Stardust Rod as a main ingredient works like a star version (not to be confused with Sunshine Rod, which as a main ingredient gives +50% star res).
@@blueeyesmew I'm actually speechless. I can't use "To the death" evility because of lack of slot but it still works. I also lack slot with Pram but I just wait one more turn and the boss dies anyway. This is actually incredible. Why does it work so well? I've been putting it off for years but now I feel like I can grind for Baal...
@@theprinnyranger Glad I could help. I've done my best to make this as effective as possible within the limitations I set for myself (being able to use this for your first batch of extracts so no existing extracts, avoiding random Chara World evilities to reduce the randomness in preparing this, and no Carnage Dark unique evility slot since you'd want to do extracts first).
If you're capturing some but not all then check you have room in the prison. It only holds 128 prisoners and you're trying to capture 99. Otherwise hold the button to view details when seeing the targets for Metallia's Overload, and compare to the ATK ADJ and DMG numbers seen in the vid.
some Asagi gain a dodge evility which decrease your accuracy to 50%, and you happen to miss. it work against overload too. I think that's why blueeyesmew uses Christo, for the 100% accuracy buff. Also, Professionnal innocent and evilities might be different. you normally can't kill a carnage 20* asagi with 10m stats, you'd need above 50m for that (without preparation, jusr one character attacking) or a very long chain of attack for 9,9x boost. the trick is in the combination of evilities here. the only thing I would replace is Metallia's Bullying (30% more dmg on lower level) for Mass Blaster (+10% dmg per target) which would increase the damage from a bonus of 30% to a bonus of 1000% as there are 100 enemies on the map.
You seem to be adding INT based weapons on Metallia and Pram, but all their evilties give ATK, I thought equipping an int weapon makes INT the main stat for capturing?
Metallia's Overload is INT-based in general. This was found after this vid was made. However as I mention in most of my vids about this game, most ATK evilities are ATK ADJ (a semi-invisible boost to whichever attacking stat you use during damage calcs) and not the literal ATK stat.
12 come from reaching level 9999. 5 come from claiming them as a Chara World reward 5 times. 3 come from killing Miss Evil 3 times on Super Overlord difficulty of Chara World (there's a bill you can pass to force her to appear if you've seen her once). These are probably what you're missing.
Being in Revenge Mode grants 100% crit rate. For 100% crit rate outside of Revenge Mode use a curry with at least 100 items with positive crit rate (e.g. Thimble) as ingredients.
@@blueeyesmew Where to put Thimble, in the main ingredient or on the other? Also I see some videos with a lot of cooking duration days, how can I do that? Thank very much, love your videos
@@flaminski Explanation of custom curry: Each slot adds a certain % (rounding UP) of the default stats of the item to the curry. For some reason this includes crit rate so any item with a positive crit rate adds at least 1% crit rate to the curry. Main slot holds 1 item and adds 10% of the default stats of the item. Most items also give an additional benefit as a main ingredient, e.g. Fairy Dust and Elixir give HP and SP regen or Sunshine Rod gives +50% star res. This is the only slot to gain any benefits except stats. The sub slots add 5% and 3% respectively and each hold 1 item. The other adds 1% but can hold up to 1000 items. This is where you typically put your Thimbles. By default the curry lasts 1 'day' (map). If you leave the curry in the NPC it will age 1 day per map while its there. Each day aged will make the curry last an extra map, up to a max duration of 100 maps. Once you have a 100 day curry and eat it you can immediately prepare a new curry and let it age. By the time the first 100 day curry runs out the new curry has aged 100 days. You can keep the chain of 100 day curries going as long as you keep preparing a new one each time you eat the current one.
I salute you for replying to comments in a 5 years old video. also @Flamins Ki try putting both types of monster weapons from market once you have plenty of money, it's pretty nice source of stats early post-game, something like 300 of both monster weps, 300 armors, and the rest maybe something with a lot of health, like healing item. Just buy the cheap one, but not too cheap, you want the stats.
I feel like I'm missing something. I try doing 20* but it doesn't have enough to capture. I got all the same Evilities and 10M stats but on Atk ADJ I noticed I only have 280% where you have 305%. Also she doesn't go into overload with just 2 allies dying I had to put in a 3rd guy to sacrifice to trigger her overload. EDIT: You gloss over the professor's role and mention Tension Boost and Venting?!?! Also you never show the Professor but it seems she has Angel Song as that is the missing 25% I figure. But even then it's not enough to take down 20*. The other boost I notice on your list though is CURRY but you never mention curry recipe in the guide.
I start showing and explaining what the Professor has at around 7:07 Metallia and Pram are in Revenge Mode anyway so the crit curry doesn't matter here. I don't use anything specific as a main ingredient here, just don't use something that changes non-elemental attacks to the wrong element (e.g. don't use Stardust Rod as a main). Fwiw I think the curry is just a Thimble curry I already had active. Make sure Metallia and Pram each have a level 100 Professional innocent on their equipment somewhere as shown at around 2:22
@@blueeyesmew I was having to skip around in the video so much after watching it first time through as I tried to line up the Evilities that I skipped over it and talk of the professor after the mothman i thought was only part covering her. There was a lot of focus on making sure to use elemental damage that I didn't catch the bit about professor, I figured they were just left over in innocents as you also have some non-subdued ones and 900 stat one on a max level character. Didn't realize it was key to build. I could do 16* with it. I got some more angel song to surround Meta and was able to do 18* and then did a few runs and used 4M extract on the 5 with maid, including Meta/Pram. And was able to run 20* and finished getting another 6M to cap off those guys. So it seems the two things I was missing was professors on weapons and Evilities on Prof as I thought she was just there for Magic Boost. Also how do you turn off other skills so only Magic Boost shows up? That seems like it really ups speed things up as I have to scroll through her skills to select it each time. Still not sure why I need to sacrifice 3 units to get rage full though.
@@PyroMancer2k I've somewhat recently added timestamps to some of my older Disgea 5 vids, including this one. That should make it easier to find a specific part. Everything should also be listed in the description. You pretty much always want a level 100 Professional on any attacking unit, though I believe I always mention it in any vid where I use a Professional anyway. If a setup is intended not to need one (e.g. the Carnage MT4 capturing vid or the low preparation Carnage Baal vid) I'll usually draw attention to the fact the setup has enough freedom to let you skip it. When viewing the list of skills on the status screen there's an option to toggle the visibility of the skill you're hovering over. Make sure the sacrificial units are somewhat close to the other units when they die, distance seems to be a factor. Also make sure they have the Self-Sacrifice common evility.
@@blueeyesmew Ah so those time stamps might have been new. Cause I didn't recall seeing them back when I original video the video and took note of what all I needed to grind up. Only noticed them when going back now after you mentioned the time stamp, didn't realize channels could go back and add those as they tend to only be on newer videos. I need to grind some Innocents than as I don't have a single maxed out Professional. I have some maxed out in various ability scores and a ton of Statisticians though to making leveling easier. But they seem pointless to have now that I can get character from 1 to 9999 in a single 20* map. And can get 19 characters fully trained in a subclass in one map. So 40 runs and got 19 more chars at max subclasses. For completeness I grinded the subclass of all Story Characters(DLC also) to max. Then put them in elite squad after reincarnation for 1 to 9999 run and get them 10M base. :) After several hundred hours I never manage to notice you could edit the skill list for the characters. Or maybe I just forgot about it cause I'm basically returning to Disgaea after a bit of a break cause I got busy with other things but was in the mood for that good old grindy tactics that is Disgaea. I didn't know revenge was effected by distance. That might have been my issue was I was attacking the one back further than you did thinking distance doesn't matter, but yeah they have the evility.
@@PyroMancer2k Innocents don't need to be the same type to breed, so if you have a high level innocent of another type it's probably worth trying to breed that with a Professional. If it produces a Professional as offspring you might even be able to have one born already maxed if the other parent is high enough level.
pardon my language but, what in the absolute yee haw fuck do you mean her overload lets her capture every capturable mob on the map? that is insanely broken!
i try this with my metalia and 4 angel buff + 4 time evil eye and cristo i was arounf 59mil int and ist not posible for me. i even tradet mental pain fot aste of victroy still no chance. dont kno why
Do you have room in the prison (it can only hold 128 prisoners at a time)? Do you have a level 100 Professional on Metallia's equipment somewhere? When using her Overload what are the ATK ADJ and DMG ADJ listed as (there's a button prompt to view details when targeting units, you need to hold that button for the ATK ADJ and DMG ADJ window to show).
Yes, unless your main curry ingredient has the effect of turning attacks into a specific element. Shell staff and Crab Pincer (which have them automatically - you can't move Freezer between weapons) are both available from the weapon shop.
Master the class by setting the magic knight as a sub class for a unit and defeating high level enemies, use the cheat shop to make this process faster, using a sorcerer use geo blast in a lv9999 LoC item and you should master any class in one action
Common evility of the Felynn subclass, should unlock at 3 stars. If you've mastered all subclasses in order to reach 10m basic stats then you should already be able to buy it from the Skill Shop.
Is this doable without miss evil slots unlocked on Metallia and Pram? I have ran Chara world quite a few times but I'm not sure what setup I should do? do I need to keep running cw until miss evil/get taste of victory? thanks for any help, this channel is super thorough and helpful!!
This setup cuts it very close with Metallia already, so you honestly do need the slots. Once you find Miss Evil for the first time a bill unlocks that forces her to appear next time you run on Super Overlord difficulty. I'd suggest using Shaking Excitement while running Chara World since it benefits you more than the Dark Hearts (you have multiple opponents, a Dark Heart only has you as an opponent).
Usalia (or whoever she Magichanges onto) gets +20% ATK ADJ per adjacent ally, she doesn't give ATK ADJ to allies. However Mao (who is mentioned in some other vids) does grant extra damage to nearby allies so would be a better option here.
Thank u for clarifying it. Also can u make a video that explains where we actually get damage boost? I didnt know that there is a cap for stat bonus., i actually tried to slap some +stats evilities but i didnt know it wont exceed +100%. Is it safe to further increase elemental attack instead?
@@ks-nh6mq I might make a vid some time about the various types of boosts and respectively caps, though I have other stuff I want to make vids on too when I find time. Elemental Force can go up to +99% ATK ADJ since elemental resistances go up to 99%. Or did you mean something else by "elemental attack"?
@@blueeyesmew boost from evility like blizzard, it says it gives +30% to water. Idk where did i get it, at evility shop it is usually 10% but i have the +30% version. Edit: its called blizzard blessing
@@ks-nh6mq Blizzard Blessing is from Chara World. It's a +DMG evility and there's no overall cap on +DMG. However an individual +DMG evility caps at +200% if it gives a variable amount (e.g. Assault Attack or Acceleration Shot).
Yeah. If needed you can have a weak unit lift someone strong and kill it with a tower attack. The unit on the bottom of the tower gets the kill credit for gaining the unique evility slot.
@@sirlezard670 Yeah, We All Get Along (Sicily) or Unity (Ability Squad). Also the "Friends For a Day!" bill. And yeah, Team Attacks do indeed also work for getting the kill with weaker units.
@@blueeyesmew I was talking about one generic non-dlc evility. I don't know the name of it but there's no need for bill, squad or dlc character. This evility gives absolute 100% chances alone.
There are 100 Asagi enemies on the map, 99 of which can be captured (1 is a boss). Metallia's Overload attempts to capture every enemy on the map, so with a strong enough setup and Christo preventing outright misses she captures 99 at once.
@@ndsi20001 Forgetting to use up your existing prisoners is practically a rite of passage, like triggering the fight in the bank mystery room and not finding out until later that the gate under Mil is still there (just invisible for some reason).
Wait, how do you go from 0 to 100 revenge? I only count 20+20+10=50 revenge based on the evilities you showed? Does the 2 mothman dying alone really just do enough to give that extra 25 each??
Yeah, their deaths give a lot of revenge. For some reason though it seems different units get different amounts of revenge from ally deaths, e.g. Usalia would fall short but it'd work for Killia (who can go into Revenge Mode from just 3 ally deaths without additional boosts).
blueeyesmew it probably has to do with overload type and availability. Like all generic units worl the same, but usalia is more useful then killias so it gains less to level it a bit
I think it's more to do with making the gameplay reflect the character/story - Killia is driven by revenge for much of the plot, whereas Usalia is naturally peaceful. Similar to how busty vs flat is a gameplay mechanic, or how Killia is immune to Seraphina's Overload (if you fight him on a custom map, as an invader, or a clone of him in one of the mystery rooms).
Revenge Mode gives 100% crit rate. You can also get 100% crit rate in general by having an active custom curry with 100 or more ingredients that have a positive crit rate (typically Thimbles) - the 'other' slot holds up to 1000 ingredients.
There's an "easy way" to improve Christo's build so long as you had dropped one random evility from the chara world: Power of Bowls. Just put that single evility on Christo after having maxed his evility slot and he'll be at 19.5M. It's a bit more than with violence and heavy stance.
With him being giant from the squad and having a buff too he ends up hitting a cap on INT increases anyway (+% stats, buff spells, and misc effects have an overall cap of +200% as well as their individual caps).
@@blueeyesmew Oh, interesting, i haven't tried the farm after building up the team yet so i didn't know. I guess it all depends on what you have accumulated at this point in the game. I had a "power of bowls" to spare in my scroll list whereas i haven't yet gotten to extract "violence".
At first I didn't realize why people hated Chara world so, but setting stuff up like this (which is very very efficient) takes absolutely forever. I'm gonna finish this Disgaea and then I'm done with the series.
@JohnSmith-qy1wm Thankfully the evillity spreading can be done on Demon difficulty. Still need Super Overlord for Miss Evil for some of the common evility slots though. Up to you if you want to stop here. 6 is a very different game overall. 7 has its own share of grinds, but largely different, if you do post-game at all.
you're overreacting. sure it's annoying but all disgaeas have their own share of patience needed. for example in 5 reincarnation, camping-squads and access to carnage was easier but the time you save here in 4 was used to multiple killing item gods or by reincarnating like 20 times so. or trying to get r39 unique weapons in disgaea2 is absolutely atrocious. for not talking about dealing with dark world. or d2 with rakshaka mode grinding. to be honest i find alot more annoying the fact you have to make mini builds for stuffs like extracts or because you have to be able to kill 99 milions stats mobs for maximize your gear, while in 4 was alot more relaxed, you could take any chara you want and as long it have numbers he could do the job. blame the other games are whole for a procedure that exist only in disgaea 5 isn't smart imho.
for ease up Chara world use braggart + 50% attack and shaking excitement give +3% stats for every enemy on map. using the item miss evil give + killing a shadow should give you +5% aptitudes for run. you can also use mao in alchemy squad for quick farm of dodging dices for increase your chances with shadows even more. once you get the hang of it is not that bad.
@ultimategrayfox Shaking Excitement indeed helps a lot. Braggart doesn't work in Chara World though (it was given a poor/wrong description twice). As far as is understood (based on some reverse engineering), it only works on units in the Base Panel when throwing an enemy in.
@@blueeyesmew gotcha. Thanks for the clarification, shaking is enough anyway, those shadows never touch me anyway, you have to barely use the dices as well. Once you get the hang of it is very fast complete the runs. Soo means braggart doesn't work on explorations as well? i was planning to give it to my explorers for an additional help, but is not that important. Thanks for all your guides, they are quality stuffs 👍
I don't (only HP can go into the billions anyway - everything else caps at 99m). My units here have 10m stats before evilities and buffs. To reach 10m stats from leveling up: fully master all of the subclasses on a unit (I have a couple of vids about that), reincarnate, put the unit in the maxed Elite Four Squad, and re-level to 9999 (and if you don't have the DLC generic classes then also equip a Raised Flag or the 10% stat growth evilities while re-leveling).
@@rayrodriguez7860 You can only get 10m stats by leveling up (except HP). You can reach 20m stats with +100% stats from evilities, and can further buff a stat to 30m with a buff spell. With 10m from extracts too (which is what this vid is for) this becomes 20m, 40m with evilities (the oft-quoted 40m figure), and 60m with a buff spell. Anything further comes from equipment (boosted by aptitudes and mastery), or potentially Eclipse Power (though that's extremely slow to build up and is best treated as a tiny bonus).
>mfw i use the same set-up but Metallia is slightly buffed from my previous attempts at farming extracts and I only capture 97 asagis. Really great guide tho. EDIT: Huh. For some reason I have a -19% DMG ADJ vs your 36%
THIS MUST BE IT HOLY GOD I was preparing to get into the habit of making curry with stardust rod as main ingredient since I am working on a comet disaster squad for item leveling. Is the curry overwriting the water element from the freezer innocent?
@@magicnuts4741 You want Sunshine Rod (gives +50% star res as a main ingredient) for Comet Disaster. Stardust Rod as a main ingredient works like a star version of Freezer (as does Southern Cross).
Followed this link that said "if you have metalia and petta do this instead" though it should have said "and petta, and desco" hahaha. Though by now, it's hard to not have the game in the full dlc collection glory
You could do something similar without the evilities from Desco, Petta, etc. You'd just need to start out on a lower number of stars at first or find another way to make up for anything you're missing.
@@blueeyesmew what i did (which is less effective since it does require a bit more setup and approach each time) was use the (i think female warrior?) Evility where movement increases atk, pass a bill to insta put to raged, and move far with christo to capture them all. Then kind of make me my to the boss, use 2 random chars, 1 with the gunner evility to give "subsequent allies 100% acc on confirmed attack" and finish her off with metalia. But again, it kind of needs more and not as general with being able to perform with less stats for 20*
@@courierz9451 ATK ADJ is applied before opposing defensive stats so is better for overcoming those stats. DMG has tended to be prioritised though because it's comparatively rarer. You'll see diminishing returns from either though so you want a mix of both.
The stats of an extract are based on the stats of the prisoner(s) used to make it. Early game you wouldn't be able to fight enemies anywhere near this strong, let alone capture them.
*Whistles*
This is... this is one helluva guide man. Thorough, well explained, not too fast, not too slow, it's damn near perfect.
Thank you, glad you like it.
Agreed
Your videos/guides have been tremendously helpful for me getting the most out of the post game - this one in particular. Getting Metallia doesn't require missions and she's a monster so leveling her and her subclasses was a breeze with magichange - With this methods and builds, I got my squads fully updated and 10x +10m stats so fast! As bonus I got a great single target damager out of Metallia and emergency finisher from Pram afterwards.
Coming back to this game for the last 2 achievements and finding something like this is GOLDEN! This build is genius, and your presentation, explanation and recap is probably the best tutorial video I've ever seen. Kudos to you man, you get a like and sub.
I'm glad this helped.
It definitely took some doing, but I was finally able to get everything set up just like you showed, and it's awesome!
Thanks for making this video guide, it's very well-paced and I'm especially grateful you also put the info in text form in the description.
Glad I could help.
I just farmed everything from your setup and now I'm farming Asagis. Thank you :)
Very creative use of evilities and stuff to optimize the grind. Thanks for sharing
@Zepphirex Thank you. Despite this being one of my older guides it should still hold up well.
Brillant ! And a good exemple of how deep the game can be
Yeah, D5 is deep enough that people are still coming up with new ideas and tweaks to existing ideas years later.
Thank you very much for the Guide DOOD! I have been trying so many ways to do this but you explaining that all i needed to do was grind out the correct evilites with my DLC characters totally solved my Problems.
Glad I could help. Evilities make a huge difference, as does making good use of support units.
Omg it works. I missed the professionals at first and was discouraged at 77 captures and unfinishable stage. You are the sage. and thank you.
Thanks for this upload and especially the text breakdown for what you were talking about.
Am waiting not so patiently for Disgaea 5 for PC to be released.
This is a total classic as to why Pram and Metailia are the two most important characters to max classes on as soon as you manage to get to carnage mode. Btw Giant Squad/fiinal Boss Glare are the first things to discard after you shard max the star duo involved. =)
d00d you're a genius. Excellent video.
Thank you, glad I could help. I didn't come up with this method from scratch though, this was just my attempt to optimise a known idea. I don't know who first had the idea to use Metallia and Pram together.
Thank you very much for this breakdown! This set-up let me farm for shards about 10x faster. For what it's worth, I just got Metallia in Revenge Mode every time by passing the Critical Situation bill. If she stands with her back to the wall and Defends, she can weather the storm at the start despite To the Death killing her defense. Then just form up and destroy!
Thank you very much for your Videos.
Definitely the best Guides on TH-cam for Disgaea5.
Thank you, glad I could help.
@@blueeyesmew how does cristo have 18 mill in stats
@@gokuvegeta7770 10m from subclasses and +80% stats from Heavy Stance and Violence.
@@blueeyesmew thanks
@@gokuvegeta7770 np, hope that cleared things up.
You deserve more subs than what you have. Great guide
You have, for all intents and purposes, Mastered Extract Farming! It is efficient enough, relatively easy to setup, and it's really fast (it's the fastest Asagi clear I've seen).
Nice!
It can be slightly faster with higher stats and Revenge Booster weapons, but I believe this is as fast as it gets at these stats.
MY MAN THIS GUIDE WAS AMAZING!!! You may be surpried to hear that you can use this strat to beat void in the last carnage challenge. I used metalica to kill all his support except the pram killed 2 before that happened so i revived them with majoritas passive to fight for me.I used the professor to keep her buffed and with giant.She did 650 mil with each shot and he died eventually.It came super close in the end and i only won couse the last Pram passive hit him after he re-summoned some servants on the last turn.The fight was mainly me sacrificing all my units to him so zerokens overload came in clutch too.
"I used metalica" \m/ I know it's missing another "L", but that's an epic misspelling. Don't fix it.
Thx for the setup, I didn't know that Metallia and Pram overloads were ATK based so I never tried ATK% stack. Now shard farming doesn't seem so painful, 22 runs to 10mil max 5 characters is VEEEEEERY time efficient
Metallia and Pram are both INT-based in this vid. Disgaea 5 just has poor descriptions - most "ATK" evilities actually boost ATK ADJ/attack adjustment/attacking power, which is a semi-invisible boost to whatever stat(s) you use to deal damage. Other than evilities that boost all stats there are very few that specifically boost the ATK stat.
I've gotta say thanks for this (the delayed pc release really let me research the game tons) as postgame it made me trash pick up 'geo and friends' for max classing on Pram and Christo first.
My next 9 max class were by leveraging Pram's Glass illusion Combo with a Zetta in 5ish star MT4 with my 10m stat Chisto backing her up with 8 magichanged monsters (Mettalia, Usalia and Desco most notably in that pack).
Had I known about the unique Asagi's Common Evility Never Give up working on Combo Skills, all this initial MT4 stuff would have been trvivial , but it was nothing too bad without it.
Holy shit! This will save me so so much time
Glad I could help. Just keep in mind the setup is quite tight - you can't afford to skip much unless you've already given them some extracts.
So much info. Thanks for letting us know about the caps
really well done guide thanks man
Damn dude this was super smart .
I can't explain how much this has helped me! I was trying to clear this map with my Sage's land decimator, but the only way I could clear in about 5 turns was on 1* difficulty. So PAINFULLY slow shard gains. After a few hours grinding to get this set up ready (never touched Christo in my play through), I was able to make this stage my bitch and get my shard/extract stat caps for my mains. Pretty sure my dick grew a couple inches too. Much appreciated good sir!
I might be 3 years late but let's be real it's never too late for Disgaea. I wrote a list for all the evilities/skills/abilities I'll need, thought I may as well share it :)
PS: you should still watch the video ofc
Two weaklings:
Forced Counter (Martial Artist R6)
Self Sacrifice (Shroom R3)
Secret Recon (Ninja R6)
Professor:
Get skill Magic Boost up to +50% so it becomes +100% (caps out), increase range to at least 3.
Angel Song (Celestial Host)
Cursed Dance (Sorcerer)
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Tension Booster (R4)
Maid:
(Have her use the extracts)
Cannon for an Arm (R3)
Licensed Caregiver (R6)
Mettalia & Pram:
Freezer Ability on Weapon & Professionals for +100% crit damage
Elemental Force
Metallia - Bullying / Pram - Acceleration Shot
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Purgatory
Metallia - Shaking Excitement / Pram - Desperation
Critical Point (Petta)
To the Death
Metallia - Mental Pain / Pram - Cold Blessing
Final Boss Glare (Desco)
Unconditional Love (Artina)
Christo:
Angel Song
Cursed Dance
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Heavy Stance
Violence (Void Dark)
Salvatore:
T Interrogator
You should add which classes give each evility.
@@GamerJV I just did the first few since you prob want Metallia Pram and Christo to have maxed classes for those stats. Google can help otherwise but I seriously don't know why one wouldn't want to max them
After trying this myself, I have some suggestions to save time for others: First, you don't need a maxed-out Salvatore to properly interrogate the Asagis, but you do need a couple of maxed out units in the squad with her. Also, you don't need a maxed out Christo. Basically, my Christo had stats well below a million even with Violence/Heavy Guard, and Metallia still managed to capture 98 units. Pram would always nuke the remaining one and the boss. It's still a good idea to max Christo in general because he's amazingly useful, but for the purposes of this grind, you don't need him at his absolute best.
The Salvatore in the vid isn't maxed anyway. If Metallia is failing to capture one of the Asagis (so Pram is having to nuke 2 targets) then you probably want to do something to fix that, e.g. fixing Christo.
My Christo is now at about 4 million stats, and that's enough for 99 captures. My Salvatore hasn't even been reincarnated, so she's pretty low.
@@RellePlays Yeah Salvatore's stats don't matter at all as long as you've got some strong units in there with her. The one in the vid is basically the same as when she was recruited. Stats in the 20k-ish range might as well be 0 compared to the Asagis.
@@blueeyesmew mhh but Salvatore need to do the inrrogation or just need to be the leader when you use the extract command? I usually put as leader my strongest unit, interrogate then then put Salvatore in as leader back and extract.
@@ultimategrayfox Most likely when extracting. Interrogation uses the combined stat (whichever is shown for that method) of its members, so having the strong unit in the back works anyway.
This worked great!
Just in case anybody else is as bad at keeping on top of the mechanics in this game as I am: I was extracting away and decided to take a break after Metallia, Pram, and a few other characters were maxxed to go do some Carnage World progression and class maxing for some other characters for a few days. Then I went back to shard farming and... it wasn't working. I just couldn't get Metallia to max rage so she could overload, stopping just shy of it every time. After a few days of double, triple, and, quinteple-checking everybody's evilities I decided that no, I really handed changed anything. Maybe there's some kind of a bug? So I reworked everybody's evilities. Same shit. Maybe there's some mechanic I hadn't noticed where buffs can get resisted, and now that Metallia is a god and my prof is a level 100 squishy, Metallia isn't getting the buff? Nah (although I didn level the prof to max just to be safe). After days of screwing around and googling I finally found out what happened:
Turned out I was screwing around with curry and made some ATK+ but rage-lowering concoction and was still under the effect of it. I made a proper thimble curry and then I was back in business (although at this point Metallia was badass enough that she didn't really need the curry and a lot of the evilities)
Hopefully that helps somebody having the same brainfart that I did
Yeah, always pay attention to your main curry ingredient plip.
This is wonderful. I only just got to the carnage dimension and can only really clear Martial Training 3 (the knights in 4 are too swole for my one unit) consistently but I'll definitely be referring to this in... 6 months when these two are strong enough.
You can get strong surprisingly quickly in the Carnage Dimension. I have some vids on how to master subclasses (in order to reach 10m stats from leveling up) without needing high stats already:
Carnage IW method (usual method): th-cam.com/video/H158I9OHzhQ/w-d-xo.html
Carnage MT5 method (avoids randomness, needs DLC): th-cam.com/video/dz215yJmOxw/w-d-xo.html
@@blueeyesmew I was using the Trash Collector item world method to work Killia. While also grabbing carnage weapons with my thief that has Almaz's ability to make chests better. Though now that I think of it I should also be using the thief ability with the chest too.. hrm. I'll check out your other video as well. I figured MT5 was useless because of lucky boards.
@@goldskarr There's another vid on this channel that has ways to use MT5 for subclasses by actually killing the Lucky Board with an already strong unit. For the vid I linked there though you get class proficiency from throwing one Geo Symbol onto another, and by having a couple of units with the Geo Damage evility the damage from destroying the Geo Symbols kills the Lucky Boards.
A change you can make to the method to avoid needing high movement and/or jump is described in the description and pinned comment on that vid, and also described here:
gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/835980-disgaea-5-alliance-of-vengeance/79450872
@@blueeyesmew Alright, thank you very much for being a wealth of knowledge for someone who's many years late to the party.
@@goldskarr Glad I can help. There's stuff players didn't know/hadn't thought of until years after the game came out anyway.
best set up. Thanks man.
Lockdown antics caused me to start a new game with just Pram, a level 6 Metallia was more than enough to beat the 3x stages needed to get her at level 1.
Was trivial to beat the story with her alone, no squads no item world needed ended up like level 300 ish.
So I started on an abbreviated (skipped farming innocents) post game to see how to optimize it and used Prams combo with Zetta to power up the usual monsters with them (Metallia, Usalia with optional Desco and Priere + 4 moth generics) to prep carnage.
I used that buffed Metallia right off the bat to do 20 star Sandcano Challenge by prepping her with that 10 mana bonus gauge boost. Sit Metallia to tank four so rounds to get her revenge going (rank 4 warrior skill fighting Instinct would lessen this if I thought of it beforehand but no big deal). Once Metallia is ready to go, summon your netherworld to remove the -20% accuracy effect and hit overload for 76 or so Level 640 prisoners easy as that.
Used those prisoners to max out the easy squads without interrogating them and found something interesting with a maxed Alchemy Squad led by Mao and whatever DLC characters you do not plan to use right now, you get a Gency every round of combat if it's the only thing on the plate. That means when you take Pram and her cast of misfit monster buddies (sans moths) to go 'Geo/symbol busting' with trash pickup from Raspberyl instead of geo blast, you get a nice LoC eclair followed by the next gency you use to exit the next round... no need to stockpile!
SPeaking of moths, take at least two of them out of spamming research and get martial artist and ninja maxed and at least 2 stars on shrrom on them while pram is going symbol busting to prep them for farming shards with this amazing setup blueeyes made for us. All that is left is buffing optional Christo and turning the third moth into a professor.
I also found out for sure that no matter how many prinny hat/instructors you put in a group, you just barely miss maxing out the top tier classes like sage and pirate so use maid to afternoon Pram and hit another symbol and can use the maid again to gency out ! =)
Assuming you 99'ed a nuke spell on Pram, trash pickup owns geo blast. Missed rounds are rare due to presence of symbols littering the maps.
If the Alchemy Squad is maxed and full it can make 1 Gency per turn even when making 3 items.
Pirate/Sage/Dark Knight are indeed impossible to max in a single kill (though can be maxed in a single AoE skill that kills multiple enemies). There's a cap on Class Proficiency per kill and those 3 classes need more than that cap.
Well running 10+ hats and professors gets very nearly done with those 3 classes.
I wish i could find a video about using the prinny squad to super fast max out classes. I know about geo blasting LoC.. but apparently you can do it to 20 people at once or something? This process confusses me, but it sounds so useful.
Nm I found a great video explaining it. lol.
I think secret recon is kinda optional for anyone that doesn't feel like doing chara world with your mothmen. Just take all gear off and Asagi kills you just the same. I must say, this guide helped a lot!
Yeah, Secret Recon is optional. It's just a two-birds-with-one-stone kind of deal. Glad I could help.
For some reason I can only capture 79... NVM it's cuz I already had prisoners... I feel stupid now
Yeah, that's the downside to capturing 99 of the 128 cap at once.
Thanks this is great! I'm capturing 98 enemies consistently and I just hit "end turn" a couple times after and pram finishes the other two no problem.
NOTE: I would just like to add from the other information I've pieced together from the internet that if you max Valtorez and place him in the interrogation squad, he has an evilty "absorption" that allows him to sponge an extra 20% stats off those he extracts giving you a small amount extra on the extract. I can repeat this process 3 times and have a 1 million bottle of extract. After about an hour with the right setup on your maid, you can max a full squad. Nice video and character setup. Tried and true tested.
Not sure why you're unable to capture 1 of the non-boss Asagis. Also I don't think Absorption has any interaction with extracts, are you thinking of Salvatore's T Interrogator?
Wtf, 1hr for just 1m. Thats dang slow
@@ks-nh6mq 3 runs for 1m. 1 hour to max (10m) a full squad.
@@blueeyesmew yes with ur method, thts y im following ur video. I just wonder why others still persist with inefficient one. So far ur playlist is already complete wherein i dont even need to look for better one 😂
@@ks-nh6mq Well I'm glad my vids are able to help.
This is very cleaver i like
Works! Thank you!
It works without stats on christo, no cold blessing, added a couple levels more to the magic boost
With Medical Insertion increasing Magic Boost past +4 just makes it cost more since the effect of buff spells caps at +100%. Good to know it can be done without stats on Christo though.
Wow, this is the first time I have seen someone use Pram's unique evility in such a useful way! Really nice to use her to kill the final boss Asagi. Would it also be useful for her to equip the Evility that does 50% extra damage to Bosses? Since she is only there to kill the boss.
If you did then you'd replace Desperation. With how high the stats on the boss Asagi are it's pretty close between those options (King's Dignity is actually probably slightly better tbh - I didn't realise when making this vid that Punishing Prophecy is slightly stronger than a normal attack, which threw off my calcs a little).
Thats super smart, I've been wondering how you could use/exploit prams evilly, GG
Im late to the party. Ive done this exact setup and my pram is not one shotting the boss asagi. Any reason that might be?
She is only doing about 130M damage.
Does she have a level 100 Professional on her equipment?
Is she wielding a weapon with Freezer on it?
Is she successfully entering Revenge Mode?
Is she in the Giant Killer Squad (for the stat boost and to make Final Boss Glare work)?
If a curry is active what's the main ingredient? Make sure it's not one that's applying a Freezer-like effect for a different element (e.g. Stardust Rod as a main ingredient turning attacks star elemental).
Thanks a ton for your reply. I went over everything and for all the things it could have been... I forgot to reincarnate her....
@@epsilonvii So her stats were lacking? Yeah, that'd explain it. Glad you got that solved.
How can i teach ELEMENTAL FORCE TO PRAM AND METALLIA ?
Help please
Nice work,I use a 20m Metallia and 20m pram(Extract+subclass) but my pram build is different for 1.9 or 2.4 Billion damage . Foot squad . Pram : Bushido,elemental force,acceleration shot,Purgatory,to the death,cold blessing,desperation,mana scarcity and critical point . same thing for Metallia except I replaced Cold blessing by Mental pain and her unique are mass blaster,elemental force and bullying. that work well at 10m stats too . But to be honest just : Critical point,puragtory,critical point and desperation on Pram are enough to one shot the boss when she is near the 20m christo so the rest of the stuff you added are pretty much not worth farming . especially because she is inside the foot soldier squad and christo increase her dmg by 20% of his int
Pram's setup may very well be overkill in this vid. Metallia's is extremely tight though. Keep in mind this is designed for farming extracts without having extracts already, and without having killed Carnage Dark already (since ideally you want extracts before fighting him, though he's possible without).
Also Mass Blaster sadly doesn't work with map-wide Overloads (Greedy Mekhashefa, Murmur of Rage, or Comet Disaster).
@@blueeyesmew you're right and yup pram is overkilling but all good . you're the best , I like your videos . Now you mention it,make sense tho,i'm using shards didn't thnk about that so good point there . but a quick question,will you make more videos soon? I might be a bit too high right now but i enjoy watching your videos .
@@sephorasarahtremblay5178 Glad you enjoy the videos. I make videos when there's something I want to make a vid about and manage to find time to do so.
If there's something you'd like to see a vid on then let me know. I can't promise to make a vid on it, but it's good to have an idea of what people want to see/would like help with.
@@blueeyesmew welll a video on how to reach 99m stats without buffs etc . I know that eclipse power is a lot of grinding but can't figure how it really work,would be nice to have something about that . that would be nice. well if you can.
@@sephorasarahtremblay5178 Honestly for reaching 99m stats there's not enough there to make a vid out of, nor anything to really demonstrate - the following is sufficient:
10m basic stats from leveling up
10m extracts
3x soft-capped equipment
300% aptitudes and maxed mastery
+100% stats from evilities and squads
Maybe I could also dispel some misconceptions, clarify what aptitudes do, etc? Not saying I definitely won't make it, but it doesn't really suit a vid imo.
I could make a vid on Eclipse Power, but it doesn't really leave much to cover either and isn't something worth putting a lot of effort into. You gain 0.01% of the stats of any Item Generals/Kings/Gods, Proto Darkdeaths, invaders, mystery room enemies, and Netherworld Research Overlords you kill while Eclipse Power is equipped. This caps at 10m HP and 300k non-HP at first but each time you cap the non-HP stats you can raise the cap as an end reward on Super Overlord difficulty of Chara World. You can break the cap 99 times to be able to reach the cap 100 times total, for 1b HP and 30m non-HP total (which is horrendously impractical to reach).
I made a vid on Prinny Instructor despite it basically involving me drawing out a fairly simple idea since Prinny Instructor is a very useful evility. Otherwise I'm wary of making vids on things that would work better a short written guide.
Thanks for uploading
I hope it was helpful.
@@blueeyesmew a lot, I might have started using them on their own since I already have a bunch but now I know it would be a total waste.
@@ButWhyWasTaken I think that's true of everyone until they learn about Licensed Caregiver.
How do I get loc asagi? I habe loc unlocked but don't have it
Do you have the Asagi map unlocked at all? It's unlocked via the "Research a Mysterious Netherworld!" bill. If you do have it unlocked then the Carnage version should be available via the Carnage Guide, though it's named slightly differently from the non-Carnage version (non-Carnage is The Phantom Copies -> Double Fake, Carnage version is Double Illusion -> Double Fake).
Ohhhhhhh
Thank you thank you!!!!!
@@nl5686 Glad I could resolve that for you.
I cant capture a single enemy with this methode, do you know why?, even with 5* enemy.
First make sure your prison is empty - it can only hold 128 prisoners at a time.
Then make sure you're not missing anything (level 100 Professional innocent, Freezer unique innocent, Magic Boost at +4 or higher being used by someone with Medical Insertion, etc).
@@blueeyesmew oh... i forgot about the professional innocent, tahnks
@@blueeyesmew it work now, i forgot about professional and my prisoner is full before. Thanks dood. Now i will farm this and try to beat cranage void with your methode.
@@akhmadfadillah9877 Glad you got it working.
I'm doing this with the exact same setup, and I'm not seeing a full revenge gauge for Metallia when the moths die. She gets just a hair under full, and I have to end turn and get hit to fill it completely. She still manages to capture 98 units, but I'd still like to get the one-turn capture.
Also, how OP does Christo have to be in order to get all the units? I didn't max his subclasses, not sure if I want to go that hard on him.
Make sure the fodder units have Self-Sacrifice and aren't too far away Metallia and Pram when they die (the distance matters). Also make sure the buffer has Tension Booster.
The setup is rather tight, so having Christo at 10m stats might matter. Having Christo at high stats is useful anyway since he's always useful to have adjacent to attacking units. There are ways to master subclasses on multiple units at once, so if you have anyone else you want to raise for future use then raise Christo along with them.
Also make sure you have room in the prison - it only holds 128 prisoners at a time.
@@blueeyesmew oh, I think I'm missing tension booster. How do you level multiple subclasses at once without magichange? I've just been doing item world geo blast farming.
@@RellePlays Magichange is the main way. If you have any generics you want to master subclasses on then you can raise them as monsters while mastering subclasses, then reincarnate into the desired class later.
It's possible to master subclasses on multiple humanoids at once though. If you use Trash Pickup (common evility of Raspberyl) to deathblow Item World scenery then it also makes tower attacks involving that unit deathblow. You want to use Prinny Instructor (which I have a vid on) to boost the class proficiency gains to overcome towers splitting class proficiency. I have a vid on mastering subclasses via Carnage Item World if you want more info.
You can also use combo skills (if any of the units you want to raise have a combo skill with each other) or Team Attacks (if you have a way to force Team Attacks to happen) with Trash Pickup, but you'd still want Prinny Instructor with those.
I just did a grind at 10 stars until I got one extract with 9,999,999 to all stats. Then I just had a maid with Licensed Caregiver give that one extract to Metallia, Christo and Pram + 2 units of my choosing and then I was able to breeze it on 20 stars. Also if you are having issues with revenge, make sure the Mothmen have forced counter and the one that gives units 20% when they die (cannot think of the name if it right now) and make sure your professor (christo in my case) has tension booster and you have that unit cast a magic magic boost on all three units. Also if you still don't have enough make sure that buffer unit has Veteran support so you can just cast it again. The 2 mothmens evilities on death and tension booster x2 is 60% revenge gauge right there.
And also, if you want fast class mastery just jump into an LoC eclair on 20 stars with a thief that knows geo blast. Get lots of Mr. Gencies and just keep jumping in to kill a geo sphere. Combine that with the career master evility (+100 class mastery) and it will take you about 1-3 mins to 6 star any class. There are like 3-4 classes you have to kill 2 geo spheres for, for that I recommend bringing a maid so if there is 2 geo spheres on the map it is still just one trip.
I think I followed this to the T, but every time, it only captures 45 enemies, even when I lower difficulty. Any ideas? Is 100% crit curry necessary for this?
Make sure there's room in the prison (it can only hold 128 prisoners).
Crit curry isn't necessary for this since Revenge Mode gives 100% crit rate anyway.
@@blueeyesmew Awesome, it worked. Thank you.
@@brucelivingston2220 It comes up a lot since this fills most of the prison each run.
How long will this take to even set up if I’ve been stuck farming 1 Star Carnage Asagi just to get ONE sage near the cap?
I’ve been struggling trying to get the 10 million out of the shards cause I straight up CANNOT kill Asagi any higher than 1 star. Any help is appreciated
Depends what you've done already. Sorting out the evility slots and spreading the evilities should be possible in under an hour.
If you need to unlock the required DLC units then that'd add some time. If you don't have a couple of level 100 Professionals yet then there's an element of luck with how long breeding takes.
The big time sink though is mastering subclasses for Metallia, Pram, and Christo. Metallia is at least a monster so can Magichange onto either of the other 2, but Pram and Christo are humanoids and hence hard to work on together.
If you want something easier to prepare but not as fast at farming as this method then check my vid on capturing Carnage MT4 (and check the description or top pinned comment of it for known improvements):
th-cam.com/video/XisOpS344qw/w-d-xo.html
@@blueeyesmew I’ve got all the evilities, and it seems like I’m seriously gonna need the mastery for Pram and Metallia. I’m almost there
Also, how on earth do I get the professionals? I literally only have a Lv3 professional and none of my weapons have any. At least I’m through with Character World for a while
@@Sneedboy Try breeding your Professional with your highest level innocent of any type in the Innocent Farm.
@@blueeyesmew funny you’re still around. Didn’t expect that, so thanks a lot. I’ve gotten them past the 10 million threshold, and I can usually catch about ~70 of the Asagis but they just kill me in the end.
@@Sneedboy Once you can capture all 99 non-boss Asagis you shouldn't need to worry about surviving.
How can i equip to metallia and pram ELEMENTAL FORCE?
i've mastered all classes with them , but i cannot seem to find that unique evility , have i done something wrong ?
You need to get an extra unique evility slot before you can buy unique evilities. You get one from a bill and one from landing the killing blow on the Prinny boss that unlocks Carnage Dimension (this fight can be repeated). You can also get another by landing the killing blow on the boss at the end of the Carnage quest chain.
Thank you for your video :)
I'm just playing this game now so you might not be able to answer, or even remember....
But I don't have Artina or a Sorcerer. Could I used Ultimate Power in lieu of Unconditional Love? What could be a replacement for Cursed Dance?
Thanks mate.
Ultimate Power won't work since, unlike most evilities that mention ATK, it actually means the ATK stat instead of ATK adjustment (ATK adjustment, which I refer to as "ATK modifier" in the vid, is what is needed here).
On Metallia replace Mental Pain and Unconditional Love with Mana Burner (one of Metallia's own common evilities). Remove it before having Metallia fight using anything other than her Overload though.
On Pram try to obtain Ambush, Blizzard Blessing (replace Cold Blessing), or Snow Blessing. Alternatively you could replace Cold Blessing with Priere's Seeking Strength common evility.
Use Evil Eye instead of Cursed Dance.
Super quick reply! Thanks very much mate, that will be a huge help :)
do you think this is possible if i do not have access to the 3rd unique evility slot?
This doesn't use the unique evility slot from Carnage Dark, just the unique evility slots from passing a bill and killing Carnage Prinny. If you can do this setup at all (or even have access to Carnage Dimension) you've already got access to those.
@@blueeyesmew hey i cant seem to capture all, i average from 80-90 captures per run, i HAVE 100 professional equipped, Christo is out to prevent nicks so i dont think its a problem with the critical as well. Any idea why?
@@whis1272 When about to use the Overload if you hold the button to "View Details" what do the ATK ADJ and DMG ADJ display as? They should show 305% and 36% respectively.
Also make sure you have room for the prisoners - the prison can only hold 128 at a time.
correction* i ALWAYS capture 86
@@whis1272 Ok, it could definitely be an issue of having too many prisoners already in the prison then.
how did u get final boss glare
5:38 Common evility of Desco (part of the Fuka DLC), buy it on her and run her through Chara World (any difficulty) to turn it into a scroll.
What curry did you use?
I had a really basic curry in effect here - Fairy Dust (main - grants HP and SP recovery) and 100x Thimble (other - grants 100% crit rate). It didn't really matter for this setup since Revenge Mode also grants 100% crit rate anyway.
blueeyesmew ooh silly me I forgot lol thank you though
Most common op curry is 3 carnage elixers in the slots, then the 100 thimble for the massive boost to hp and gain with 100crit
Okay... Do you absolutely NEED the 100 professional innocents? I only have about 7 right now, so... but I've got absolutely everything else and the only thing I don't have is those innocents. I'm pulling about 80+ asagis at a time
100 Professional vs no Professional makes you about 1.67x as strong, so it's a massive difference. You're eventually going to want Professionals anyway, e.g. for killing enemies in the Item World of Carnage R40s at 20* (for kill bonus).
One thing to keep in mind is that you can breed a Professional with a high level innocent of a different type. In most cases it's random which parent the offspring matches but the level is based on the average level of the parents. A high level easy to get innocent could help in getting some reasonably high level Professionals. If the other parent is high enough level you might even get capped Professionals as offspring.
@@blueeyesmew OMG I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT!!! I just finished my stacks of Statisticians, and was dreading how long it would take to get a stack of 100 Professionals, since all the ones I have are like 4 or 5. I can just stick the Professional in with my stack of Statisticians and have a 50/50 shot.
@@michaelnorth5528 how do you find professionals?
Wonderful setup, I dont have the remaining evility slots, haven't done that boss you mentioned in another comment. But pram kills boss in 3-4 turns, good enough for me haha
Glad I could help.
How many Magic Extract that I need to farm? is it 86? or im wrong
If you're doing this the same way the vid does (20*, capturing all of the non-boss Asagis, and with Salvatore's common evility to increase extract stats) then it should take 22 extracts to reach 10m stats.
Not sure where you got 86 from.
@@blueeyesmewI just have some math so i thought it is 86.. my bad and thanks for correcting me
Why mothmen for sacrifice?
High base movement fliers (so more flexible if you want to use them as sacrifices for other maps). Otherwise it doesn't really matter.
@@blueeyesmew Ahh!, thanks man.
Ever considered using Axel, Rozalin and Plenair to increase stats? Since you are not using LD they shouldn´t be at risk. And are you going to post videos for Disgaea 6 when it releases?
Christo and Metallia already hit the cap on stat increases, so it'd only be Pram who could benefit from stat increases. Rozalin gives ATK ADJ rather than stats (Artina increases stats of adjacent male allies though) which could help, except Artina and Rozalin only boost male allies (which also conflicts with Axel boosting female allies) so Pram and Metallia would need Gender Bender (and this setup is trying to avoid random Chara World evilities).
I might make Disgaea 6 vids in the future, we'll see.
hey is 900 Statisticians cap for one weopon?
900 is the cap on a single stack of Statisticians and also the effective cap per unit. In other words multiple stacks of 900 Statisticians on the same unit won't help, even if they're on different pieces of equipment.
@@blueeyesmew ok was reading about that and wanted to make sure man land of carnage is no joke lol but i am 10mill in all my stat on my dark knight and play about 100 games of char world while breeding innocents working on my super sage
What am I doing wrong? I have the exact same setup as you do, except the Mothmen dont have the evility to reduce their hp to 0 as i felt theres no need for it since they die in 1 hit anyways. My interrogation room is empty and i only manage to capture around 88 of them at 20*.
Literally everything is the same, i have no idea...
What do the ATK ADJ and DMG ADJ show as when Metallia's using her Overload?
Does she have a level 100 Professional?
Is Magic Boost +4 or higher and being used by someone with Medical Insertion?
@@blueeyesmew ATK ADJ is 305%
DMG ADJ is 36%
Magic Boost is at +4, being used by Professor with her unique evility to all 4 characters like you do.
What is level 100 professional?
@@alexsanchez6155 Shown briefly around 2:10 (and mentioned around 2:22) it's an innocent that increases crit damage (in previous Disgaea games it increased crit chance).
What gives 100% chance for crit? I got that the 3vilty and professionals give crit damage, but what was it that guarantees the crit?
Having 100 or more items with a positive crit rate (e.g. Thimbles) in a curry grants 100% crit rate. Being in Revenge Mode also grants 100% crit rate.
How do you open the screen with the active buffs? i cant find anyone mention it
Press (enemy) or hold (ally) Y (on Switch) on a unit to "Display Move Range & Bonus". If you instead meant the total ATK ADJ and such then hold ZR (on Switch) while targeting units to "View Details".
Where do i find "FREEZER" for metallia ?
Crab Pincer (for Metallia) and Shell Staff (for Pram) both have the Freezer unique innocent and can be bought from the store. There are other weapons with Freezer, but those are the ones used in this vid.
Hey man, what about getting the 4th slot for christo. I mean Carnage Dark is no push over. Is the last slot necessary for the process? I kinda just wanna get the 20 Mil stats from shards and subclasses and start diving in the item world.
If I do need that last slot, are you going to make a video detailing how you did it?
Christo doesn't have the Carnage Dark slot here, he only has 2 extras (from the assembly bill and Carnage Prinny, being used for Angel Song and Cursed Dance). Remember that Christo has 2 unique evilities of his own (Tactician and Superlative Ally) and so ends up with 1 more unique evility than most units (same with the other story characters).
blueeyesmew oh truuu. I completely forgot about that. Thanks man.
What werr the two mothman for? Just to die and trigger revenge mode or what?
7:45 Yes.
do both pram and christo need to have 10m stats?
Pram needs 10m stats. Christo needs 10m stats unless you do something else to strengthen the setup.
@@blueeyesmew Bleh, so that means subclass farming for both Christo and Pram. Thanks for the response.
@@InternetLawman o lord the fun sub class farming i acyually have a migraine from subclass farming but its worth it i gona push my self lol
I know this comment is 2 years old, but if someone is reading this and is too lazy to master a lot of subclasses with Pram (like me :P), you can focus on INT stat only. Master the subclasses with highest INT (sage, professor, ninetails, etc.) and learn every possible "Smart Guy" evility. With little effort I have a Pram with 4M INT. She takes more turns to kill the last Asagi, but it's OK for me
a few question here.
Why use Bullying over Mass blaster for Metallia?
Why do you use Ice specifically? Does it work as well with Wind or no element? (It's just about a 120% total power boost and Asagi have 0% resist for ice)
Pram's evility does about 2b damage in your demonstration. I have trouble understanding this damage since that Asagi Boss has 1,7b hp and 69m in res. which means no matter how much multiplier you put on top, a 50x time 0 is still 0. you can't damage someone with over twice your stats without any combo or weakness exploit. I really don't understand why you can even damage her. Is Pram's evility like... "true damage" or does it ignore Res/Def?
Mass Blaster doesn't work on Metallia's Overload, Comet Disaster, nor Murmur of Rage. In other words mapwides other than Land Decimator. Works on Squad Attack though.
Any non-star element works equally well, Pram just starts with 99% ice resistance. Need an element because Elemental Force is a strong unique evility when you know the enemies have an element they don't resist.
ATK ADJ boosts, e.g. Angel Song, apply before DEF/RES. So do skill multipliers (usually good for the attacker, though bad for mapwides as those tend to have multipliers of less than 100%).
@@blueeyesmew but in the toto bunny map with like 50 zombies, mass blaster changes Metallia Overload from about 50% "dmg" to full 100% "dmg" for her overload. Does this mean there is a blockage for LoC or past a certain number of enemies? I'll try for myself later, just in case. Maybe i'm just remembering it wrong.
Elemental force reflect elemental resistance on elemental attack. but doesnt that means a+99% damage ? I wonder if there is a way to get the same boost from somewhere else for cheaper
I had a suspicion a weapon's element changed the nonelemental skill's element but I didn't know it would do the same for Overloads.
I need to pick up D5 again. thanks for the answers!
@@theprinnyranger I'll retest Mass Blaster later, but I'm pretty sure I've tested it repeatedly.
Elemental Force is ATK ADJ btw. +99% ATK ADJ (or +75% on Metallia, though it could be +99% with innocents) is a lot for a unique evility. Rage Charge is an easy +200% vs Baal but isn't as easy (nor fast) to build elsewhere. Even comparing to DMG evilities Acceleration Shot doesn't work with non-Squad Attack mapwides, and Assault Attack requires moving further which slows things down.
Burner/Blower/Freezer change the element of all non-elemental attacks (including captures). Some curry effects do the same, e.g. Stardust Rod as a main ingredient works like a star version (not to be confused with Sunshine Rod, which as a main ingredient gives +50% star res).
@@blueeyesmew
I'm actually speechless. I can't use "To the death" evility because of lack of slot but it still works. I also lack slot with Pram but I just wait one more turn and the boss dies anyway.
This is actually incredible. Why does it work so well? I've been putting it off for years but now I feel like I can grind for Baal...
@@theprinnyranger Glad I could help. I've done my best to make this as effective as possible within the limitations I set for myself (being able to use this for your first batch of extracts so no existing extracts, avoiding random Chara World evilities to reduce the randomness in preparing this, and no Carnage Dark unique evility slot since you'd want to do extracts first).
I don't understand how Salvatore can interrogate level 9999 prisoners if you never levelled her up?
It uses the combined stats of all the Interrogation Squad members. The other 2 units in there (shown at ~9:07 and again at ~9:18) each have 13m stats.
i have a question my stats is a little bit higher than yours but why i couldn't capture all of them
If you're capturing some but not all then check you have room in the prison. It only holds 128 prisoners and you're trying to capture 99.
Otherwise hold the button to view details when seeing the targets for Metallia's Overload, and compare to the ATK ADJ and DMG numbers seen in the vid.
some Asagi gain a dodge evility which decrease your accuracy to 50%, and you happen to miss. it work against overload too. I think that's why blueeyesmew uses Christo, for the 100% accuracy buff.
Also, Professionnal innocent and evilities might be different. you normally can't kill a carnage 20* asagi with 10m stats, you'd need above 50m for that (without preparation, jusr one character attacking) or a very long chain of attack for 9,9x boost. the trick is in the combination of evilities here. the only thing I would replace is Metallia's Bullying (30% more dmg on lower level) for Mass Blaster (+10% dmg per target) which would increase the damage from a bonus of 30% to a bonus of 1000% as there are 100 enemies on the map.
@@theprinnyranger Mass Blaster doesn't work on non-LD non-Squad Attack mapwides for some reason.
You seem to be adding INT based weapons on Metallia and Pram, but all their evilties give ATK, I thought equipping an int weapon makes INT the main stat for capturing?
Metallia's Overload is INT-based in general. This was found after this vid was made. However as I mention in most of my vids about this game, most ATK evilities are ATK ADJ (a semi-invisible boost to whichever attacking stat you use during damage calcs) and not the literal ATK stat.
Where can i get cold blessing evility
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It should be available from the skill shop by default.
I don't have enough common evility slots? I have maxed out the chara world evility upgrade.
Never mind, the boss thing I just got, thanks for the video.
12 come from reaching level 9999.
5 come from claiming them as a Chara World reward 5 times.
3 come from killing Miss Evil 3 times on Super Overlord difficulty of Chara World (there's a bill you can pass to force her to appear if you've seen her once). These are probably what you're missing.
What would you swap out for Taste of Victory if at all?
Shaking Excitement on Metallia can be swapped for Taste of Victory + Blizzard Blessing. On Pram I'd replace Cold Blessing.
I've managed to reach 50% Crit rate with Mettalia, I've maxed crit gain from Chara world, where did you get the other 50%?
Being in Revenge Mode grants 100% crit rate. For 100% crit rate outside of Revenge Mode use a curry with at least 100 items with positive crit rate (e.g. Thimble) as ingredients.
@@blueeyesmew Where to put Thimble, in the main ingredient or on the other?
Also I see some videos with a lot of cooking duration days, how can I do that?
Thank very much, love your videos
@@flaminski Explanation of custom curry:
Each slot adds a certain % (rounding UP) of the default stats of the item to the curry. For some reason this includes crit rate so any item with a positive crit rate adds at least 1% crit rate to the curry.
Main slot holds 1 item and adds 10% of the default stats of the item. Most items also give an additional benefit as a main ingredient, e.g. Fairy Dust and Elixir give HP and SP regen or Sunshine Rod gives +50% star res. This is the only slot to gain any benefits except stats.
The sub slots add 5% and 3% respectively and each hold 1 item.
The other adds 1% but can hold up to 1000 items. This is where you typically put your Thimbles.
By default the curry lasts 1 'day' (map). If you leave the curry in the NPC it will age 1 day per map while its there. Each day aged will make the curry last an extra map, up to a max duration of 100 maps. Once you have a 100 day curry and eat it you can immediately prepare a new curry and let it age. By the time the first 100 day curry runs out the new curry has aged 100 days. You can keep the chain of 100 day curries going as long as you keep preparing a new one each time you eat the current one.
I salute you for replying to comments in a 5 years old video. also @Flamins Ki try putting both types of monster weapons from market once you have plenty of money, it's pretty nice source of stats early post-game, something like 300 of both monster weps, 300 armors, and the rest maybe something with a lot of health, like healing item. Just buy the cheap one, but not too cheap, you want the stats.
@@newhek My channel's pretty small so it's easy enough for me to do so.
I feel like I'm missing something. I try doing 20* but it doesn't have enough to capture. I got all the same Evilities and 10M stats but on Atk ADJ I noticed I only have 280% where you have 305%. Also she doesn't go into overload with just 2 allies dying I had to put in a 3rd guy to sacrifice to trigger her overload.
EDIT: You gloss over the professor's role and mention Tension Boost and Venting?!?! Also you never show the Professor but it seems she has Angel Song as that is the missing 25% I figure. But even then it's not enough to take down 20*. The other boost I notice on your list though is CURRY but you never mention curry recipe in the guide.
I start showing and explaining what the Professor has at around 7:07
Metallia and Pram are in Revenge Mode anyway so the crit curry doesn't matter here. I don't use anything specific as a main ingredient here, just don't use something that changes non-elemental attacks to the wrong element (e.g. don't use Stardust Rod as a main). Fwiw I think the curry is just a Thimble curry I already had active.
Make sure Metallia and Pram each have a level 100 Professional innocent on their equipment somewhere as shown at around 2:22
@@blueeyesmew I was having to skip around in the video so much after watching it first time through as I tried to line up the Evilities that I skipped over it and talk of the professor after the mothman i thought was only part covering her.
There was a lot of focus on making sure to use elemental damage that I didn't catch the bit about professor, I figured they were just left over in innocents as you also have some non-subdued ones and 900 stat one on a max level character. Didn't realize it was key to build.
I could do 16* with it. I got some more angel song to surround Meta and was able to do 18* and then did a few runs and used 4M extract on the 5 with maid, including Meta/Pram. And was able to run 20* and finished getting another 6M to cap off those guys.
So it seems the two things I was missing was professors on weapons and Evilities on Prof as I thought she was just there for Magic Boost. Also how do you turn off other skills so only Magic Boost shows up? That seems like it really ups speed things up as I have to scroll through her skills to select it each time.
Still not sure why I need to sacrifice 3 units to get rage full though.
@@PyroMancer2k I've somewhat recently added timestamps to some of my older Disgea 5 vids, including this one. That should make it easier to find a specific part. Everything should also be listed in the description.
You pretty much always want a level 100 Professional on any attacking unit, though I believe I always mention it in any vid where I use a Professional anyway. If a setup is intended not to need one (e.g. the Carnage MT4 capturing vid or the low preparation Carnage Baal vid) I'll usually draw attention to the fact the setup has enough freedom to let you skip it.
When viewing the list of skills on the status screen there's an option to toggle the visibility of the skill you're hovering over.
Make sure the sacrificial units are somewhat close to the other units when they die, distance seems to be a factor. Also make sure they have the Self-Sacrifice common evility.
@@blueeyesmew Ah so those time stamps might have been new. Cause I didn't recall seeing them back when I original video the video and took note of what all I needed to grind up. Only noticed them when going back now after you mentioned the time stamp, didn't realize channels could go back and add those as they tend to only be on newer videos.
I need to grind some Innocents than as I don't have a single maxed out Professional. I have some maxed out in various ability scores and a ton of Statisticians though to making leveling easier. But they seem pointless to have now that I can get character from 1 to 9999 in a single 20* map.
And can get 19 characters fully trained in a subclass in one map. So 40 runs and got 19 more chars at max subclasses. For completeness I grinded the subclass of all Story Characters(DLC also) to max. Then put them in elite squad after reincarnation for 1 to 9999 run and get them 10M base. :)
After several hundred hours I never manage to notice you could edit the skill list for the characters. Or maybe I just forgot about it cause I'm basically returning to Disgaea after a bit of a break cause I got busy with other things but was in the mood for that good old grindy tactics that is Disgaea.
I didn't know revenge was effected by distance. That might have been my issue was I was attacking the one back further than you did thinking distance doesn't matter, but yeah they have the evility.
@@PyroMancer2k Innocents don't need to be the same type to breed, so if you have a high level innocent of another type it's probably worth trying to breed that with a Professional. If it produces a Professional as offspring you might even be able to have one born already maxed if the other parent is high enough level.
pardon my language but, what in the absolute yee haw fuck do you mean her overload lets her capture every capturable mob on the map? that is insanely broken!
She still needs to be strong enough to capture them, but yes her Overload is extremely good.
i try this with my metalia and 4 angel buff + 4 time evil eye and cristo i was arounf 59mil int and ist not posible for me. i even tradet mental pain fot aste of victroy still no chance. dont kno why
Do you have room in the prison (it can only hold 128 prisoners at a time)?
Do you have a level 100 Professional on Metallia's equipment somewhere?
When using her Overload what are the ATK ADJ and DMG ADJ listed as (there's a button prompt to view details when targeting units, you need to hold that button for the ATK ADJ and DMG ADJ window to show).
@@blueeyesmew my prison is empty. for the rest i need to look i will try to make a screen capture
Is the freezer an absolute requirement? Im having difficulty getting them
Yes, unless your main curry ingredient has the effect of turning attacks into a specific element. Shell staff and Crab Pincer (which have them automatically - you can't move Freezer between weapons) are both available from the weapon shop.
@@blueeyesmew oh my, never figured its available in the weapon shop. Got it now :) thank you so much
How can i get elemental force from the magic knight ?
Master the class by setting the magic knight as a sub class for a unit and defeating high level enemies, use the cheat shop to make this process faster, using a sorcerer use geo blast in a lv9999 LoC item and you should master any class in one action
where i get desperation?
Common evility of the Felynn subclass, should unlock at 3 stars. If you've mastered all subclasses in order to reach 10m basic stats then you should already be able to buy it from the Skill Shop.
Is this doable without miss evil slots unlocked on Metallia and Pram? I have ran Chara world quite a few times but I'm not sure what setup I should do? do I need to keep running cw until miss evil/get taste of victory? thanks for any help, this channel is super thorough and helpful!!
This setup cuts it very close with Metallia already, so you honestly do need the slots.
Once you find Miss Evil for the first time a bill unlocks that forces her to appear next time you run on Super Overlord difficulty. I'd suggest using Shaking Excitement while running Chara World since it benefits you more than the Dark Hearts (you have multiple opponents, a Dark Heart only has you as an opponent).
So the 10m stat units. You did that by maxing their sub-classes, correct?
Yeah. I have a more recent video on mastering subclasses: th-cam.com/video/aaJjnygQHbU/w-d-xo.html
I think usalia is better than prof, usalia had the evility "precious people" that increases atk by 20% to the andjacent ally.
Usalia (or whoever she Magichanges onto) gets +20% ATK ADJ per adjacent ally, she doesn't give ATK ADJ to allies. However Mao (who is mentioned in some other vids) does grant extra damage to nearby allies so would be a better option here.
Thank u for clarifying it. Also can u make a video that explains where we actually get damage boost? I didnt know that there is a cap for stat bonus., i actually tried to slap some +stats evilities but i didnt know it wont exceed +100%. Is it safe to further increase elemental attack instead?
@@ks-nh6mq I might make a vid some time about the various types of boosts and respectively caps, though I have other stuff I want to make vids on too when I find time.
Elemental Force can go up to +99% ATK ADJ since elemental resistances go up to 99%. Or did you mean something else by "elemental attack"?
@@blueeyesmew boost from evility like blizzard, it says it gives +30% to water. Idk where did i get it, at evility shop it is usually 10% but i have the +30% version.
Edit: its called blizzard blessing
@@ks-nh6mq Blizzard Blessing is from Chara World. It's a +DMG evility and there's no overall cap on +DMG. However an individual +DMG evility caps at +200% if it gives a variable amount (e.g. Assault Attack or Acceleration Shot).
Hi. How you get the third unique evility slot for your professor? Did you last hit carnage prinny with it?
Yeah. If needed you can have a weak unit lift someone strong and kill it with a tower attack. The unit on the bottom of the tower gets the kill credit for gaining the unique evility slot.
blueeyesmew thank you dood
@@blueeyesmew There's an evility for 100% chance of doing group attacks.
@@sirlezard670 Yeah, We All Get Along (Sicily) or Unity (Ability Squad). Also the "Friends For a Day!" bill. And yeah, Team Attacks do indeed also work for getting the kill with weaker units.
@@blueeyesmew I was talking about one generic non-dlc evility. I don't know the name of it but there's no need for bill, squad or dlc character. This evility gives absolute 100% chances alone.
How are you capturing so many at 1 time
There are 100 Asagi enemies on the map, 99 of which can be captured (1 is a boss). Metallia's Overload attempts to capture every enemy on the map, so with a strong enough setup and Christo preventing outright misses she captures 99 at once.
EPIC
So I will need to farm professionals first, got it, Disgaea 5 sure does make it easy to spend 100s of hours playing
Yeah, you need the extra damage from Professionals for this. Try breeding a Professional with whatever your highest level innocent of any kind is.
I have literally the same but my metallia has 60M int and I only capture 66 asagis :(
If it's 66 every time then make sure your prison has room - it can only hold 128 prisoners.
@@blueeyesmew Yes. Im stupid and didnt notice hehe. Good video🖤
@@ndsi20001 Forgetting to use up your existing prisoners is practically a rite of passage, like triggering the fight in the bank mystery room and not finding out until later that the gate under Mil is still there (just invisible for some reason).
@@blueeyesmew holy fuck I didnt know that
The first time I captured 9 as well because it I had Prisoners almost full. This strat works like a charm.
Wait, how do you go from 0 to 100 revenge? I only count 20+20+10=50 revenge based on the evilities you showed? Does the 2 mothman dying alone really just do enough to give that extra 25 each??
Yeah, their deaths give a lot of revenge. For some reason though it seems different units get different amounts of revenge from ally deaths, e.g. Usalia would fall short but it'd work for Killia (who can go into Revenge Mode from just 3 ally deaths without additional boosts).
blueeyesmew it probably has to do with overload type and availability. Like all generic units worl the same, but usalia is more useful then killias so it gains less to level it a bit
I think it's more to do with making the gameplay reflect the character/story - Killia is driven by revenge for much of the plot, whereas Usalia is naturally peaceful. Similar to how busty vs flat is a gameplay mechanic, or how Killia is immune to Seraphina's Overload (if you fight him on a custom map, as an invader, or a clone of him in one of the mystery rooms).
Does Elemental Force work with her overload?
Yes, as long as you make it elemental first (hence the Crab Claw with Freezer).
excellent video, my doubt is how'd u get that 100% crit chance?
Revenge Mode gives 100% crit rate. You can also get 100% crit rate in general by having an active custom curry with 100 or more ingredients that have a positive crit rate (typically Thimbles) - the 'other' slot holds up to 1000 ingredients.
There's an "easy way" to improve Christo's build so long as you had dropped one random evility from the chara world: Power of Bowls.
Just put that single evility on Christo after having maxed his evility slot and he'll be at 19.5M. It's a bit more than with violence and heavy stance.
With him being giant from the squad and having a buff too he ends up hitting a cap on INT increases anyway (+% stats, buff spells, and misc effects have an overall cap of +200% as well as their individual caps).
@@blueeyesmew Oh, interesting, i haven't tried the farm after building up the team yet so i didn't know.
I guess it all depends on what you have accumulated at this point in the game. I had a "power of bowls" to spare in my scroll list whereas i haven't yet gotten to extract "violence".
@@Kai_Ning Power of Bowls would indeed work as an alternative if you've maxed his common evility slots.
At first I didn't realize why people hated Chara world so, but setting stuff up like this (which is very very efficient) takes absolutely forever. I'm gonna finish this Disgaea and then I'm done with the series.
@JohnSmith-qy1wm Thankfully the evillity spreading can be done on Demon difficulty. Still need Super Overlord for Miss Evil for some of the common evility slots though.
Up to you if you want to stop here. 6 is a very different game overall. 7 has its own share of grinds, but largely different, if you do post-game at all.
you're overreacting. sure it's annoying but all disgaeas have their own share of patience needed. for example in 5 reincarnation, camping-squads and access to carnage was easier but the time you save here in 4 was used to multiple killing item gods or by reincarnating like 20 times so. or trying to get r39 unique weapons in disgaea2 is absolutely atrocious. for not talking about dealing with dark world. or d2 with rakshaka mode grinding. to be honest i find alot more annoying the fact you have to make mini builds for stuffs like extracts or because you have to be able to kill 99 milions stats mobs for maximize your gear, while in 4 was alot more relaxed, you could take any chara you want and as long it have numbers he could do the job. blame the other games are whole for a procedure that exist only in disgaea 5 isn't smart imho.
for ease up Chara world use braggart + 50% attack and shaking excitement give +3% stats for every enemy on map. using the item miss evil give + killing a shadow should give you +5% aptitudes for run. you can also use mao in alchemy squad for quick farm of dodging dices for increase your chances with shadows even more. once you get the hang of it is not that bad.
@ultimategrayfox Shaking Excitement indeed helps a lot. Braggart doesn't work in Chara World though (it was given a poor/wrong description twice). As far as is understood (based on some reverse engineering), it only works on units in the Base Panel when throwing an enemy in.
@@blueeyesmew gotcha. Thanks for the clarification, shaking is enough anyway, those shadows never touch me anyway, you have to barely use the dices as well. Once you get the hang of it is very fast complete the runs. Soo means braggart doesn't work on explorations as well? i was planning to give it to my explorers for an additional help, but is not that important. Thanks for all your guides, they are quality stuffs 👍
My question is how do you got over billion stats o.o with that cheap gear...
I don't (only HP can go into the billions anyway - everything else caps at 99m). My units here have 10m stats before evilities and buffs.
To reach 10m stats from leveling up: fully master all of the subclasses on a unit (I have a couple of vids about that), reincarnate, put the unit in the maxed Elite Four Squad, and re-level to 9999 (and if you don't have the DLC generic classes then also equip a Raised Flag or the 10% stat growth evilities while re-leveling).
blueeyesmew how! Lol
@@rayrodriguez7860 "How" to which part? I explained in my previous comment how to reach 10m stats.
blueeyesmew i got 20mill on sage cant get any higher ;( ( the other character going slow lil by lil lol
@@rayrodriguez7860 You can only get 10m stats by leveling up (except HP). You can reach 20m stats with +100% stats from evilities, and can further buff a stat to 30m with a buff spell.
With 10m from extracts too (which is what this vid is for) this becomes 20m, 40m with evilities (the oft-quoted 40m figure), and 60m with a buff spell.
Anything further comes from equipment (boosted by aptitudes and mastery), or potentially Eclipse Power (though that's extremely slow to build up and is best treated as a tiny bonus).
>mfw i use the same set-up but Metallia is slightly buffed from my previous attempts at farming extracts and I only capture 97 asagis.
Really great guide tho.
EDIT: Huh. For some reason I have a -19% DMG ADJ vs your 36%
What's the main ingredient of your curry? I think it's turning your attacks star element.
THIS MUST BE IT HOLY GOD
I was preparing to get into the habit of making curry with stardust rod as main ingredient since I am working on a comet disaster squad for item leveling. Is the curry overwriting the water element from the freezer innocent?
@@magicnuts4741 You want Sunshine Rod (gives +50% star res as a main ingredient) for Comet Disaster. Stardust Rod as a main ingredient works like a star version of Freezer (as does Southern Cross).
Oh I misremembered then. That's what I get for trying to make curry from memory i guess.
Really appreciate the help in figuring this one out o7
Followed this link that said "if you have metalia and petta do this instead" though it should have said "and petta, and desco" hahaha. Though by now, it's hard to not have the game in the full dlc collection glory
You could do something similar without the evilities from Desco, Petta, etc. You'd just need to start out on a lower number of stars at first or find another way to make up for anything you're missing.
@@blueeyesmew what i did (which is less effective since it does require a bit more setup and approach each time) was use the (i think female warrior?) Evility where movement increases atk, pass a bill to insta put to raged, and move far with christo to capture them all. Then kind of make me my to the boss, use 2 random chars, 1 with the gunner evility to give "subsequent allies 100% acc on confirmed attack" and finish her off with metalia. But again, it kind of needs more and not as general with being able to perform with less stats for 20*
@@courierz9451 Yeah, Assault Attack (which is a DMG evility) is your best bet for making up the difference.
@@blueeyesmew that reminds me, is there a difference with the end result of more ATK vs DMG? ATK as your attack and not the specific stat
@@courierz9451 ATK ADJ is applied before opposing defensive stats so is better for overcoming those stats. DMG has tended to be prioritised though because it's comparatively rarer. You'll see diminishing returns from either though so you want a mix of both.
thanks for teaching me how to get all the extwacts.
This make like nuclear fisic easy
Wow just one of these magical extracts would tottaly ruin someone's early game
The stats of an extract are based on the stats of the prisoner(s) used to make it. Early game you wouldn't be able to fight enemies anywhere near this strong, let alone capture them.
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