I do agree for edc usually I would go for a flatter edge on a blade... sheep’s foot, wharncliffe. Then a drop, spear or clip point. Like the tanto look and for certain tasks the flat at the front of the blade comes in handy, but is very specific. I appreciate all blade styles for their usefulness in certain areas. I will use them according to what they are best for. Not gonna carry a pruning knife everyday but nothing is better in the garden.
Thank you Mark for allowing Triple E to use your knives for videos. Usually I would pick the tanto first (bcuz I like how it looks) but after seeing the test, I think I would go with the wharncliffe first and then the drop point. The difference in cutting performance was too much to go with the tanto. Great video once again Triple E.
What you are describing at about 4min is called “distal taper” and it is in fact one of the very rare attributes shared by most Spydercos in the Military / PM2/Para3 series, as well as Police4/Endela/Delica series, as well as Native Chief series - they all have this absolutely awesome distal taper. This makes the blade shapes of these Spydercos very sophisticated as the sides are actually not parallel to each other - the blade can be best understood as a very elongated and flattened pyramid as opposed to a simple orthogonal slab of steel that was given an edge like in most other knives out there, including most customs. The lack of distal taper in the tanto marks it out as pure marketing exercise, while keeping this drivel “limited” is a rather savvy move of Spyderco as not too many people will be exposed to drivel and Spyderco reputation remains unharmed by diminished performance of this abomination. The easily persuaded will of course salivate and line up to purchase and collect this drivel due its rarity rather than any cutting attributes, but trying to educate the fools is futile because, as the saying goes - you can take a horse to a water, but… The only reason you prefer wharncliffe is because for some reason you are doing mostly simple cuts, neither pulling nor pushing. This is the same way xacto blades cut. The curved belly on the drop-point, on the other hand will excel at push-cuts and the actual slicing pull-cuts where that curve allows each edge point of contact to accelerate relative to target. This is the same endless argument about individual preferences for either straight swords or curved sabres - i.e. a simple cleaving motion versus a dragging motion either forward or backward that "slices" rather than "cuts". Would have been interesting if you tried some push-cuts and "slicing" rather than simple "cleaving" cardboard. In other words, next time try cutting something with thickness, like a cucumber or an apple - anything that has thickness to it. You would quickly figure out that a wharncliffe usefulness is rather diminished... (while Tanto is as useless as it always was). Still, yours is a solid good vid. Cheers!
The other two are great but it’s pretty clear the tanto wins because I have one and I love it. I don’t care if it’s ehhh, I’m happy to own it. 👍🏻 Thanks for a good in use comparison!
I’m not hating on the tanto. I think it looks awesome. It cuts well enough overall but not really any better than a 940 which has a reputation for being thick behind the edge.
You love it now, but at some point you'll get over it... The typical drop-point blade of PM2 is very sophisticated due to distal taper, i.e. the sides are actually not parallel to each other - the blade can be best understood as a very elongated and flattened pyramid as opposed to a simple orthogonal slab of steel that was given an edge like in most other knives out there, including customs. The lack of distal taper in the tanto marks it out as a pure and simple marketing exercise, while keeping it “limited” is a savvy move on Spyderco's part as not too many people will be exposed to the poorly performing tanto and Spyderco will keep its reputation for "slicers" untarnished...
@@yoryteperman429 Don’t know why you feel the need to try and crap on what someone else likes and chooses to own. I will probably never use the tanto, I just like that blade style. Spyderco can make what they want and who cares if it’s better or worse than something else. People obviously want them. Some things are just collector pieces so edge thickness and geometry doesn’t really matter at all. You do you, but let other people do what they want with their money. Don’t be another rude person on the internet.
@@ikon-wi1tn That PM2 Tanto is a triumph of marketing over engineering, and that peeves me no end that people are so easily manipulated by marketing hype. So, let's educate them, present the factual side (which this video does). BTW, No offense was intended; I do not "crap" on peoples purchases; I was about to buy this knife myself- actually got "through" onto the website, but something stopped me - thinking "what am I doing?" The seduction was oh-so-strong, and the temptation oh-so-great, but I am proud I was able to overcome it and step away! And I saw that in ten minutes the knives were gone, and I felt disappointment in my fellow collectors who fell victim to the hype. And, yes, it pissed me off that masses can be had so easily by the sheer force of hype ( aka momentary "coolness") - that lotta people can be persuaded to buy a product without any apparent merit. Shows the power of marketing at its best! Sorry to say but your own reply points to a somewhat problematic "hands off" attitude that perpetuates this predatory "hype" behaviors in the marketplace. Your approach would have been fine if everyone lived by Cicero's dictim "to live is to think". But the majority does not, and this provides an opening for marketing to take over. Well, if it is OK for marketing manipulators to ply their craft in pushing BS product, it is also OK for others to try to educate fellow collectors that there are NO ALTERNATE FACTS, that, objectively speaking, there are BETTER - performing blades and worse-performing blades. This is what this video does! Then, people are still free to make their own choices - and to buy that tanto drivel that some BHQ marketer dreamed-up if they so choose, but at least they'll do it knowing what they are doing... PS - just to put it out there - I ended up spending what I initially planned for PM2 Tanto on another Spyderco - a Native Chief sprint run with liner-less carbon-fiber scales and a back-lock - not a fidgety knife, but its s90v long and narrow "leaf" blade has proper distal taper... So, my own decision against tanto was not a money matter... ( - in fact, Chief was $45 more than that black-bladed Tanto). I believe that the speculators who bought-up the stock in hopes of ample profit, are now discovering some difficulties trying to flog these on eBay...
I just ordered the DLT Exclusive Yojimbo for comparison. I don’t have the Canis anymore as it was a loaner from Mark. I was trying to find another Canis as I really do miss that knife. I hope Spyderco releases another batch soon.
What this guy is describing at about 4min is called “distal taper” and it is in fact one of the very rare attributes shared by most Spydercos in the Military / PM2/Para3 series, as well as Police4/Endela/Delica series, as well as Native Chief series - they all have this absolutely awesome distal taper. This makes the blade shapes of these Spydercos very sophisticated as the sides are actually not parallel to each other - the blade can be best understood as a very elongated and flattened pyramid as opposed to a simple orthogonal slab of steel that was given an edge like in most other knives out there, including most customs. This lack of distal taper in the tanto marks it out as pure marketing exercise, while keeping this drivel “limited” is a rather savvy move on Spyderco's part as not too many people will be exposed to this poorly performing tanto and Spyderco reputation for "slicers" will remain untarnished. The easily persuaded will of course salivate and line up to purchase this garbage of a knife due to its rarity if nothing else, while trying to educate those peeps is futile because, as the saying goes - you can take a horse to a water, but…
Limited exclusives hey the micarta cru-wear was an exclusive, see how they got around that? I doubt they gave long term blade shape exclusives to retailers, maybe a six month or one year. In China it’s the year of the OX in knifelandia year of the wharncliff.
The Micarta and Cruwear shaman was actually a sprint run which a limited run not limited to a single dealer. The wharncliffe and tanto blade shape exclusives are exclusive to particular dealers and are unlimited as long as the dealer continues to order them.
There’s a reason the standard blade is one of the most popular knives in modern history. The Tanto looks cool but it’s shit for EDC if people were dead honest about it.
Tantos can be ok for EDC but it's definitely specialized and most grinds don't get it right and are too thick BTE. Drop point is def most versatile all around but the wharnie and sheepsfoot are starting to be recognized as utility beasts
You said it well. Except I'd add - tanto is actually shit for anything - as it was meant for a short sword, not a knife where it makes no sense at all...
I’ve got the southpaw pm2 in s45vn n definitely eyeing that black dlc & orange handle from the cutlery shoppe next! That blade shape is too cool!
I do agree for edc usually I would go for a flatter edge on a blade... sheep’s foot, wharncliffe. Then a drop, spear or clip point. Like the tanto look and for certain tasks the flat at the front of the blade comes in handy, but is very specific. I appreciate all blade styles for their usefulness in certain areas. I will use them according to what they are best for. Not gonna carry a pruning knife everyday but nothing is better in the garden.
Those are some really nice ones! I've never had any of those
I have the standard, wharncliffe and Emerson/Sabre grind but still need a tanto
That was very illuminating, so far I haven't been really partial to wharncliffes but maybe I should change my mind 🤔!
Great comparison!! Great video review!
Btw, I just purchased the chris reeves sebenza. Thank you
Thanks! Let me know how you like the sebenza when it comes!
Thank you Mark for allowing Triple E to use your knives for videos.
Usually I would pick the tanto first (bcuz I like how it looks) but after seeing the test, I think I would go with the wharncliffe first and then the drop point. The difference in cutting performance was too much to go with the tanto. Great video once again Triple E.
Thank you!
What you are describing at about 4min is called “distal taper” and it is in fact one of the very rare attributes shared by most Spydercos in the Military / PM2/Para3 series, as well as Police4/Endela/Delica series, as well as Native Chief series - they all have this absolutely awesome distal taper. This makes the blade shapes of these Spydercos very sophisticated as the sides are actually not parallel to each other - the blade can be best understood as a very elongated and flattened pyramid as opposed to a simple orthogonal slab of steel that was given an edge like in most other knives out there, including most customs.
The lack of distal taper in the tanto marks it out as pure marketing exercise, while keeping this drivel “limited” is a rather savvy move of Spyderco as not too many people will be exposed to drivel and Spyderco reputation remains unharmed by diminished performance of this abomination. The easily persuaded will of course salivate and line up to purchase and collect this drivel due its rarity rather than any cutting attributes, but trying to educate the fools is futile because, as the saying goes - you can take a horse to a water, but…
The only reason you prefer wharncliffe is because for some reason you are doing mostly simple cuts, neither pulling nor pushing. This is the same way xacto blades cut. The curved belly on the drop-point, on the other hand will excel at push-cuts and the actual slicing pull-cuts where that curve allows each edge point of contact to accelerate relative to target. This is the same endless argument about individual preferences for either straight swords or curved sabres - i.e. a simple cleaving motion versus a dragging motion either forward or backward that "slices" rather than "cuts". Would have been interesting if you tried some push-cuts and "slicing" rather than simple "cleaving" cardboard. In other words, next time try cutting something with thickness, like a cucumber or an apple - anything that has thickness to it. You would quickly figure out that a wharncliffe usefulness is rather diminished... (while Tanto is as useless as it always was).
Still, yours is a solid good vid.
Cheers!
I forgot the term as I was speaking but yes, distal taper is what I was referring to.
And thank you for the compliment!
Wharncliffe blade looks great for cardboard. Thanks for the video 😎👍
Didn't know the Wharnie existed till today unfortunately can't find one for retail or close to it.
Will that M4 rust?
The other two are great but it’s pretty clear the tanto wins because I have one and I love it. I don’t care if it’s ehhh, I’m happy to own it. 👍🏻 Thanks for a good in use comparison!
I’m not hating on the tanto. I think it looks awesome. It cuts well enough overall but not really any better than a 940 which has a reputation for being thick behind the edge.
You love it now, but at some point you'll get over it...
The typical drop-point blade of PM2 is very sophisticated due to distal taper, i.e. the sides are actually not parallel to each other - the blade can be best understood as a very elongated and flattened pyramid as opposed to a simple orthogonal slab of steel that was given an edge like in most other knives out there, including customs.
The lack of distal taper in the tanto marks it out as a pure and simple marketing exercise, while keeping it “limited” is a savvy move on Spyderco's part as not too many people will be exposed to the poorly performing tanto and Spyderco will keep its reputation for "slicers" untarnished...
@@yoryteperman429 Don’t know why you feel the need to try and crap on what someone else likes and chooses to own. I will probably never use the tanto, I just like that blade style. Spyderco can make what they want and who cares if it’s better or worse than something else. People obviously want them. Some things are just collector pieces so edge thickness and geometry doesn’t really matter at all. You do you, but let other people do what they want with their money. Don’t be another rude person on the internet.
@@ikon-wi1tn That PM2 Tanto is a triumph of marketing over engineering, and that peeves me no end that people are so easily manipulated by marketing hype. So, let's educate them, present the factual side (which this video does).
BTW, No offense was intended; I do not "crap" on peoples purchases; I was about to buy this knife myself- actually got "through" onto the website, but something stopped me - thinking "what am I doing?" The seduction was oh-so-strong, and the temptation oh-so-great, but I am proud I was able to overcome it and step away! And I saw that in ten minutes the knives were gone, and I felt disappointment in my fellow collectors who fell victim to the hype. And, yes, it pissed me off that masses can be had so easily by the sheer force of hype ( aka momentary "coolness") - that lotta people can be persuaded to buy a product without any apparent merit. Shows the power of marketing at its best!
Sorry to say but your own reply points to a somewhat problematic "hands off" attitude that perpetuates this predatory "hype" behaviors in the marketplace. Your approach would have been fine if everyone lived by Cicero's dictim "to live is to think". But the majority does not, and this provides an opening for marketing to take over. Well, if it is OK for marketing manipulators to ply their craft in pushing BS product, it is also OK for others to try to educate fellow collectors that there are NO ALTERNATE FACTS, that, objectively speaking, there are BETTER - performing blades and worse-performing blades. This is what this video does! Then, people are still free to make their own choices - and to buy that tanto drivel that some BHQ marketer dreamed-up if they so choose, but at least they'll do it knowing what they are doing...
PS - just to put it out there - I ended up spending what I initially planned for PM2 Tanto on another Spyderco - a Native Chief sprint run with liner-less carbon-fiber scales and a back-lock - not a fidgety knife, but its s90v long and narrow "leaf" blade has proper distal taper... So, my own decision against tanto was not a money matter... ( - in fact, Chief was $45 more than that black-bladed Tanto). I believe that the speculators who bought-up the stock in hopes of ample profit, are now discovering some difficulties trying to flog these on eBay...
@@yoryteperman429 My money, my purchase. Simple as that. Go find somewhere else to push your attitude.
I prefer a little belly on a wharnie, but this pm2 version looks awesome. A digicam and DLC variant would be an instant buy for me
Triple E EDC, if you still have the Canis, would you be willing to do a comparison between it and the PM2 Wharncliffe?
I just ordered the DLT Exclusive Yojimbo for comparison. I don’t have the Canis anymore as it was a loaner from Mark. I was trying to find another Canis as I really do miss that knife. I hope Spyderco releases another batch soon.
@@TripleEEDC Cool and looking forward to the reviews. 👍
Good comparison. I feel like part of the tanto's trouble is because of the grind being thicker, not the actual shape of the blade.
That’s a big part of the problem for sure.
What this guy is describing at about 4min is called “distal taper” and it is in fact one of the very rare attributes shared by most Spydercos in the Military / PM2/Para3 series, as well as Police4/Endela/Delica series, as well as Native Chief series - they all have this absolutely awesome distal taper. This makes the blade shapes of these Spydercos very sophisticated as the sides are actually not parallel to each other - the blade can be best understood as a very elongated and flattened pyramid as opposed to a simple orthogonal slab of steel that was given an edge like in most other knives out there, including most customs.
This lack of distal taper in the tanto marks it out as pure marketing exercise, while keeping this drivel “limited” is a rather savvy move on Spyderco's part as not too many people will be exposed to this poorly performing tanto and Spyderco reputation for "slicers" will remain untarnished. The easily persuaded will of course salivate and line up to purchase this garbage of a knife due to its rarity if nothing else, while trying to educate those peeps is futile because, as the saying goes - you can take a horse to a water, but…
You are a nerd
Limited exclusives hey the micarta cru-wear was an exclusive, see how they got around that? I doubt they gave long term blade shape exclusives to retailers, maybe a six month or one year. In China it’s the year of the OX in knifelandia year of the wharncliff.
The Micarta and Cruwear shaman was actually a sprint run which a limited run not limited to a single dealer. The wharncliffe and tanto blade shape exclusives are exclusive to particular dealers and are unlimited as long as the dealer continues to order them.
As far as I’m aware these are full exclusives. I’m sure they left themselves some outs but for now they are full exclusives
Great vid brother ❗👍👍😊
Thank you!
There’s a reason the standard blade is one of the most popular knives in modern history.
The Tanto looks cool but it’s shit for EDC if people were dead honest about it.
Basically my conclusion as well. The wharncliffe was a pleasant surprise though.
@@TripleEEDC it may cut great, but since liking knives is subjective I’ll say it....That wharny is ugly. 🤣 🤮
Lol. It’s not the prettiest wharnie I own; that’s for sure. Still, it’s one of the most effective wharnie slicers I have.
Tantos can be ok for EDC but it's definitely specialized and most grinds don't get it right and are too thick BTE. Drop point is def most versatile all around but the wharnie and sheepsfoot are starting to be recognized as utility beasts
You said it well. Except I'd add - tanto is actually shit for anything - as it was meant for a short sword, not a knife where it makes no sense at all...
Awesome knifes
Love them... the tanto looks great I always hoped a wharnie would come out! Same with the griptilian a full wharnie! But I WANT THE WHARNIE
That wharncliff is one of the ugliest knives I've ever seen.
There are many, many prettier ways to do a wharncliffe but it’s hard to argue this isn’t a useful shape even if it’s ugly.
@@TripleEEDC I'll take your word for it. Thanks for the content!
I like it
Spydercos are not pretty but they are functional.
I don't really like how my Spydercos look as much as how they fit in my hands and how well they cut.