How Fight Club Turns Men Into Space Monkeys
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Video essay on Fight Club; examining how charismatic leaders like Tyler Durden turn men into Space Monkeys
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Fight Club turned 20 this year! When did you first see it? What were your thoughts about it? Let me know below! :)
Let me tell you something, the first rule of Fight Club is...
This year
It's a fair representation of the hollowness of the "end of history" era. But especially now, hearing the ennui about "no great war, no great depression," etc. comes across as ridiculous & ignorant. I think this is why the film is beloved, for all the wrong reasons, by young men from comfortable backgrounds. The text is betrayed by the film, but the text is so tied to a socio-political moment that it too, is now irrelevant.
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LSOO - this is an interesting analysis but in my opinion, you've either overlooked or missed some of the key points and messages within this movie:
1. It's a story of a man who has a nervous breakdown, becomes schizophrenic and loses touch with realty.
2. Tyler Durden is his split psyche alter ego.
3. It's one of the most powerful indictments of our societie's culture of materialism and consumerism.
4. And it was way ahead of its time in highlighting the dangers of not allowing men to express their masculinity and to deny them a 'socially acceptable' expression of their natural inbuilt aggressive tendencies.
5. It also has a sly subversive look at at how media, advertising and especially movies contain subliminal messages and embedded images, that a lot of viewers at the time were unaware of.
6. It also addresses some of societies other issues - relationships between men + women, and the difficulties of simply trying to bond with another human being
In short, this film is a masterpiece, and no matter how many times I see it, I always see something new.
Hope you take this 'pushback' in the spirit it was written, as I'm a big fan of your work, and frequently recommend your channel. 👍
"Things you own, end up owning you.."
- Tyler Durden 1999
"stop trying to control everything and just let go" I love this movie. Tyler Durden was insane but he made a lot of sense
@HenriK Hald In Buddhism :)
prophetic, years before smart phones became mandatory
I agree,for example at the moment im speculating to buy a new car on a loan which clearly will own me for a couple of years where as im thinking on that that i will go on driving my old one for now ;]
Coming from a guy who pees in soups he was a lunatic borderlands schizo
"I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader."
---Creed Bratton
my favourite quote of all times
sblinder1978 One of history’s most prolific being
If my parents see this, I am toasted 😐
im dead.
+381665600399 Viber
Call if you are you/Tyler Durden....
We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives
@Rud Not wholly. Time of great difficulty and deprivation actually reinforce bonds, improve shared culture and create family and local community ties. We are a small-tribe species, so these things are actually good for our mental and spiritual health. Not to take away from the difficulty of those times and the tragedies that occurred, but life as individualist zoo-animals in a fragmented, rigid, cold society is much more depressing for us that living by our wits and bootstraps surrounded by family and tribe.
@@spybreak23 Yeah that's some bullshit, you missed the whole fuckin point.
It's pretty much the millennial slogan
@@deimosreign3662 It seems have truth to me. I don't think he missed the point at all, the two of you just don't agree.
@@charlesbetz9475 OK BOOMER!
How does a movie that's over 20 years old looks like it was made this year?
Quality... back when quality meant something.
@@charlesatanasio4363 movie cameras havent changed that much, that's why
film is best.
check out vsauces video on time dilation
Quality Quality Quality
I saw it when I was 16, and like a lightning strike, it changed the way I looked at everything. Every person has that one film that slightly opens their doors of perception. For some, it was A Clockwork Orange, Network or Natural Born Killers. Recently, I saw Joker, which I believe to be another one of these films. But for me, Fight Club stands as the titan next to all of them, because it was the first film that demonstrated the power of cinema of storytelling to me, and how it can change your worldview and approach to philosophy and self.
There’s a German term for this I believe Wagner coined, for a complete work of art...audibly, visually, etc. can’t remember it off of the top of my head, but this is indeed one of those films. Excalibur from ‘82 was one of those that did it for me, Boorman did great things...Zardoz was another that dealt with the sexual degeneracy and liberalism of the 70’s. Taxi-Driver of course was another, they all have a theme of sexual deviancy and looseness breeding alienation and isolation and having a deteriorating effect societally. One could saw these are films of a rightist persuasion, which is how I’ve always viewed them. They are life affirming and inspirational as a result as they represent a choice and a reactionary measure of those things which attempt to strangle purpose at every opportunity. Film should be something, or it can be something anyway, where you conclude the viewing and are inspired in some way to create. Think of the way 300 and Fight Club causes a mass exodus of men out of their homes and into the gym. Or seeing something and being inspired to read what influenced it; Arthurian legend, philosophy, high culture, etc. I rarely watch films anymore as a result of nothing produced in recent memory is capable of inspiring these things, or it seems as if it has been limited immensely. But it is cyclical, and what’s just under the current has a way of resurfacing with a vengeance, so hopefully that creative explosion like we saw with film making in the 70’s resurfaces and we see heroism and purpose reinstated into popular culture.
Thank you sir
2001: a space odyssey was one of those movies for me. The metaphorical symbolism of the monolith is so powerful and meaningful to me.
the fuckin' same for me. Was a door.
not everybody's favorites but this movie, the matrix and American Beauty did that for me. I was 20 when those came out. formative
The main lesson i always took from this movie is : The greatest hero AND villian in your own life.....is YOU.
Tell that to Ted Bundy survivors
@@mysteryme6655 Shut up straw man.
@@hankwylderson7196 are you trying to disagree? Because if you are, boy do you look like an asshole.
@@mysteryme6655 It is a strawman argument you used. Get a real argument.
@@gavinfitch8406 it isn't a "strawman" argument though. There are people who rape and kill people for fun, people who sell people because they view them as money, and people who will own you as a person because you have no other choice. You are entitled and spoiled. You are NOT entitled to freedom. You are NOT entitled to a good life. You are spoiled by your life so you don't see the world. How sick it is. People don't always have the choice of being a "hero" or "villain". Sometimes surviving is the name of the game, even if it costs everything. And you dying wouldn't mean anything to a single other person, because those people could own you, or be trying to kill you to begin with. You are spoiled with the idea of having a good life and think that everyone can have it. But, you don't see the world.
"No man is great enough for you to become his space monkey."
Damn, Like Stories of Old. Dropping truth with the weight of a pallet of cement.
Garret LeBuis I’m thinking the scores of guys blindly following the joe rogan lead
First Last Joe Rogan is one of the most oxymoronic personalities of our decade, albeit a lot of his interviews are very good but there is also a lot of crap, if you want to become your self move for the forest alone for a year learn how to feel comfortable alone, when it happens you will never be lonely, it’s a weakness, you will realize you possess immense power and will to change everything in your life if you so willed. Better to be alone to be with people that makes you feel lonely. Also you will learn how to listen to your own thoughts instead of becoming another mans thoughts
@Anti-Federalist 1776 You clearly don't understand how real men lived back in the days, creating your own farm, having a family, men with hyena and scoundrel mentality banded up and tried to oppose their will on real Alpha males who worked hard for their lot in life, and to become complete one must possess integrity and integrity is not something you get overnight, something u have sometimes, a little bit, its a part of you or it isn't and to gain it you must know your self and to know ur self you need to be alone contemplating understanding and having lived a life with enough experiences to analyze and make a battleplan from
I am reminded of the "Thesis, Antithesis, synthesis" model first coined by German philosopher Johann Fichte & first developed by Hegel. The Thesis is living within the cultural rule/symbol set of its norms (collective mind). The Antithesis is the realization of your servitude which causes a reactionary flip into the other direction (Individualist Mind) . but since most people dont have a solid sense of self yet they will fall into "world view traps" created by those who have come before and have developed stronger personality's that new "seekers" find fascinating & blindly follow. The biggest problem here is that they still haven't deconstructed their slave mind mentality and fall in line to powers that are greater then them in the same way the "Thesis" ruled over them. So you must make another decision to create a Synthesis between both extremes. You can develop yourself, live for collective goals if they meet moral/ethical standards lead your own destiny with a well established moral/ethical compass and achieve larger personal goals within a collective context that we are nested inside of. We cant escape the fact that our actions will effect the people around us so we are not individuals but a part of a much larger process of human development. (Collective Individualism Mind)
Hey @Anti-Federalist 1776 thanks for responding - I wasn't attempting to come from a political/governance position but more a human behavioral developmental one. Where if you have a maturing adult who is working on themselves will naturally fall into certain behaviors in their growth. I agree with your statement about "To many chiefs not enough Indians" I feel there are alot of individuals who are working on individual projects that dont do much except pull resources from people in their sphere of influence to better their own conditions. I wouldn't say they are not entitled to this way of living currently, it is the American Dream. Though if there was a shared Human project that we could work on as individuals to help others break out of old modality's of thinking so that we can be at least a healthier tribe than we are now? Would that be something worth doing? Those 2 questions are specific to the community level not national or global. I am asking because for 1 no one has called what I have said Fascist before & 2 you bring up some interesting points.
The entire meaning of the film changes on the second watching, once you realize that the main character represents what he thinks he wants and Tyler represents what he subconsciously want. One of my biggest takeaways from the film is that these two things are almost never the same.
Right, the Narrator's actions and dreams are based on society while Tyler's are based on what he actually wants, without the influence of other people
Yeah after the second time watching through you can catch split second glimpses of Tyler in random scenes. He flashes for a moment. I noticed it when he’s talking to the doctor, as the doctor tells him what real pain is through men with testicular cancer, Tyler flashes right behind him. There’s a couple other scenes that this happens as well. If anyone has ever played black ops 1 it’s kind of like how Mason perceives Reznov to be with him throughout the story when in reality he wasn’t and it was mason who killed Steiner, not reznov, even though mason believes it was reznov.
Even more layered when you read some Nietzsche. Nietzsche wrote about there being two souls within a man: the Creature and the Creator.
The Creature (the narrator) is the soul which is reshaped and tempered through suffering.
The Creator (Tyler) is the soul which examines and overcomes the self, allowing for a process of self-overcoming.
@@ml_dali what book was the concept introduced by Nietzsche
The world is always bigger than what any one man can say about it. Important reminder, thank you.
This was the best quote of this video.
Great video, I did chuckle at the "father figure" flash.
One part that I found interesting is the six-pack scene comment. My interpretation was that "Jack" saw the poster of the man with the sculpted physique and then Tyler mocks it, but because Jack is still fundamentally insecure, he then projects this very aspect of what his inner-mind reject onto Tyler. Because he himself, while rejecting the idea on one level, still finds himself attracted to it on another level, and thus Tyler, the embodiment of all his wants, acquires that aspect as well. The fact the scenes are placed directly adjacent is completely intentional.
At least, that's my reading.
I definitely agree! But I do think that if the film ultimately wanted to communicate that 'Jack' was mistaken in his image of the ideal man, that message is sort of muddled by the men who took Tyler's body as a literal inspiration, and who thus sort of 'failed' in interpreting it in the right context, which again would make it an example of the subtext overshadowing/corrupting the text.
My interpretation is that we want to be free, self actualized, and so on....but since our ideas of freedom and self actualization are ones that we've been taught, so can they really lead us to freedom?
The movie constantly does this thing where a take on an existential issue such as mortality or freedom, ultimately leads one to structural issues such as the lack of father figures.....and at the end I don't think we get a definite answer on how best to proceed.
@@LikeStoriesofOld That's fair comment. It's a problem somewhat inherent to the book as well (Obviously the book has a definitively less hopeful ending for "Jack"), as Tyler's philosophy is on a surface level attractive to many people. But I do wonder if the film would have been less enjoyable and well regarded had it condemned the failure in more blatant terms. Part of the charm is that people find in it, what they want to find.
On a similar note, I can't wait till you do a video about Joker someday down the line. It's so open to interpretation and ripe for study that I'm sure you'll have a fascinating angle on it.
Interesting interpretation! I always saw it as they were Mocking the model because he probably got in shape like that just for the photos whereas someone like tyler looks the way he does because he's doing so much physical and violent work so the muscle is more genuine in a sense
Actually it was because the model had broken a nail
"Safeguard your freedom, your moral compass and your individuality. For no man is great enough for you to become his space monkey."
That's Profound.
Dude, you just broke the first two rules of Fight Club.
Dude, u just broke the record for most bland comment
@@crussteasock4047 Dude, you just broke the record for worlds biggest asshole.
In a search for father figures
Flashes a picture of Jordan Peterson
Lobster daddy.
Joe Rogan
@@arceyes yes
Sadly, many people unconciously set father figures for themselves, and Jordan Peterson is almost a perfect example for that. The man has a way of thinking that a strict father would try to fit in his child, only Peterson does it a way that is engaging.
@Shreyas Misra For some people, religion destroys individuality. For me (as i'm an eastern catholic), it not destroyed, but helped to find my true identity. Of course, I can't speak for all organized religion.
I revisit this video every couple months
wtf
Still visiting ?
I like ur pfp
literally this view of fight club is so accurate and feels so real with people today like Andrew Tate who think they know the answer but just hurt so many people by prioritising his way of thinking.
I agree. It feels weird but to think about all these certain philosophical ideas and visions I realize that they are like clothes you have find the one that fits just right for you and the individual is the one that decides if it fits or not.
There is balance in everything. There is a reason whay Andrew Tate is so influencial. People cant be wolfs and shit
Here goes hater 🤣🤣🤣just shut up 🤫 bro
@@gorillatrading3667 maybe I will shut up if you can form a normal sentence
I feel like this video misses a key point of fight club. Tyler Durden represents the narrator’s masculinity, which is challenged by the diagnosis of testicular cancer. Robert Paulson and everyone involved with Fight Club are imaginary, so their motivation for following Tyler is conflicting because the narrator is conflicted. Pap is Street doesn’t exist. Fight club doesn’t exist.
Man, I was hooked on both Fight Club and Jordan Peterson a few years ago. So it was pretty funny seeing that subliminal spliced in. X) Never went full "space monkey," thanks in large part to having a diverse group of very intelligent friends and acquaintances in college. Were always willing to have awesome, thoughtful conversations to both challenge and synthesize our ideas.
@Anti-Federalist 1776 You strike me as a fella with rational, nuanced views about the world.
@Anti-Federalist 1776 doesn't like structure, so he has to destroy it!?
Good luck with that, vandal.
@Anti-Federalist 1776 I don't know if you realize this but, you just called a guy you don't like (Jordan Peterson) mean names to then follow by praising you're own complex and nuanced opinions and then went on a rant about how all of the inequality and injustice in the world is caused by jews. You went from an insensitive child calling those you don't like bad names and saying we should literally burn the people you don't like because they're evil to praising your own intelligence like someone out of r/iamverysmart to then coming out as being essentially an antisemite.
You think it's okay to conceive a person as being defined primarily by whatever group they're a part of and condemning those people by association to that group because they're evil (in your opinion) and you can't see how wrong that view is ? I'll say it directly, you don't seem like a rational individual with nuanced opinions about the world, you strike me as a space monkey the way it was defined in this video. A useful idiot.
#metoo
@Anti-Federalist 1776
Jew haters alive and well on TH-cam. Who knew!
This makes me think of the Bob Dylan song You Gotta Serve Somebody
"It may be the Devil, and It may be the Lord but you've gotta serve somebody."
You need an ideal to follow, but you have to be careful how that ideal is embodied.
Ulysses Hughes Unless you work in retail, then it’s a fine maxim to live by. ;)
Follow yourself
@poetgirl What stops your spirit leading you down a bad path? An outside ideal. you can't be your own anchor. No one is perfect
@Alexander Supertramp If you can make the claim that there is no perfect ideal, that means you probably have an idea of what those ideals you're thinking of are lacking. That means that on some level you can intimate what it would need to improve. You can at least start the search. And I don't believe that all ideals are made by humans. I think some are discovered by humans, or revealed to humans, like uncovering gold nuggets in the wilderness.
Who'd Bob serve?
Fight Club is a classic film, truly a must watch
Any more you can recommend ?
KEVIN THAI You should check out the work of Chuck Palahniuk, he wrote fight club.
You touch every inch of TH-cam
American Beauty, Donnie Darko and anything by Quentin Tarantino
My best friend and I would watch this movie quite frequently on VHS throughout late middle school and through high school, almost as a central theme of our personal and deliberate "coming-to" development and friendship as introverts who still partied, but we were trying to understand life from a very deep point of view at a young age, the same time as first being introduced to girls. We were a pair of 90s-00s teens that would go to a quiet park at night just to take a break from society, to look up at the stars (two guys), even just laying in room staring at a fan spinning, and our thoughts were the only intrusion. We were trying to figure it all out. We even created our own tiny version of a fight club at times. It's funny that the philosophical theory continues on for so many others, adults even, in regards to this film. I think we thought we were the only ones who connected so deeply to the film. Even today, I still have it on VHS behind me on the book shelf. When the film plays, It sinks me right back into my shoes of when we used to hang out.
Where are you from bro
I needed this, especially because of what's going on in my country and the shifting power dynamics; thank you, this was incredible.
Ur either Egyptian. Lybian or south American .right ?
@@maisarahmonier2256 Bolivian, yes
What's going in your country?
I'm going through the same phase
@@maisarahmonier2256 I’m libyan lol
After reading Fatherless Generation, Tyler's line about fathers abandoning us made sense. I've always been motivated to be a present father, first and foremost because of that void in my own life. You can always learn something from someone, even if that person sucks.
Lol the male model thing, the speech about never being famous coming from Brad Pitt was hilarious ironic.
The whole movie is made to be ironic and counterintuitive. A lot of people miss that point, even though this video explains it fairly well. It seems most people in the comments don’t understand what OP was trying to say about the film. It’s that leadership is a choice we make to follow to compensate for lack of direction and self confidence, but is overall an imperfect system filled with irony and self contradictions.
The film, and book, is meant to understand the philosophy of why we follow a central figure. Be that figure is personified as a man, or idea. As you said in your example, it’s ironic a Hollywood superstar is telling the audience that we’ll forever be chasing a ridiculous dream of fame and fortune. He is flawed, and contradicting who he truly is. Yet everyone in the film, and fans of the film for that matter, worship his ideology. The movie was created to ask ourselves “why?”
We must always question why we are going down the path we chose. Because if we don’t, we all end up as the space monkeys trapped in a place we never wanted to be in.
@@cameronpavelic500 ok i read your comment, ok how to do that?
How to be so good that conscious about the decision?
@@cautarepvp2079 it’s like the person wrote in the final paragraph.
We must always question (or better yet, self examine) the path we’re currently taking.
The earlier comment mentioned the irony behind a lot of the philosophy of Tyler Dryden. In both mediums (book and film), he’s charismatic, but also the polar opposite of the narrator. He’s “free in ways [the narrator] isn’t”. This draws in people to follow him/become attracted to him. But if you look past all that, you’ll find his capacity for destruction, overzealous for his own cause. Yet, no one questions his methods, nor dares to tell him his actions only make things worse for others. It’s also ironic because Pitt is a charismatic, rather good looking actor. He scoffs off the ad, but is literally the guy any marketing team at some company would use to sell their products. And instead of looking past all the superficiality of that, it draws people in.
Most people aren’t willing to question almost everything about their own existence.
And Jared Leto also being there, later becoming a rock star and famous actor irl
Such a fitting version of the Pixies song as a backdrop to these insights. Goed gedaan man.
His name is robert paulson
was*
HIS NAME IS ROBERT PAULSON!
His name is Robert Paulson.
His name is Robert Paulson.
Came here for this. His name is Robert Paulson.
Fight Club is always in my top ten favorite movies. And as you point it; the subtext is not 100% clear on the first viewing. There's even was a Fight Club video game that totally missed the point by making it a fighting game.
I even heard they planned a sequel recently... but I think a remake could be more interresting. Yet it aged very well so it's really not necessary.
Yeah discussing the subtext vs text was a bit tricky as I'm still not a 100% sure what the film actually communicates. Though I love it nonetheless!
@@LikeStoriesofOld you're on the right track with your subtext commentary in this video. The film is a literal postmodern deconstructionist masterpiece. It tells you something, and then shows you the fallacy. That's the message.
@Anti-Federalist 1776 I think that blind opposition of a position is just as bad as blind support of a position. To me, Space Monkey is the being that follows blindly, that is used by the thing they support as a means, just as literal ape astronauts were. The only blind philosophy I think is good (and by blind I mean absolute) is the desire to be different to everyone else, to deliberately not follow others. And indeed, if whatever your worldview is becomes popularised, to abandon it. It is essentially blind opposition, but of everything, and everyone else.
Though I agree with the system not providing any satisfaction to everyone (however, as fight club is specifically about men, men especially in this case) I do think that blindly opposing Jewish systems is wrong, and instead oppose the system, which happens to be, right now, Jewish. But if we succeed, won't be forever.
The sequel comic was really good
(a comment from another video on Fight Club. the author nailed it)
"Tyler's phylosophy is buddhism with balls, fight club is about living in the moment and accept reallity (that's why they fight, fight make you focus on the moment and accept pain, otherwise you wouldn't fight) but also letting of everything they don't need (no shirt, no shoes).
the narrator alos let go all his stuf, his dignity (fight 'against" his boss) and even his fear of death (car accident)
So the point of tyler could be see as : Let go everything you don't absolutly need because it's not you and it don't serve you
Normaly in the teaching of the buddha there is a moment where you should "kill the buddha" because you don't need him anymore, thing the mayhem's soliders haven't done, so they become slave of their idea of becoming free, slave of tyler
Now they are now own by an ideology (which is different of a phylosophy, buddhism is a phylosophy not an ideology)
This explain why the narrator doesn't take part of the project mayhem, he doesn't need it, he doesn't need ideology anymore
It also explain why the narrator killed tyler, he killed his buddha because he doesn't neet him anymore"
Link please?
You are really smart
Difference between ideology and philosophy? Is there a practical difference? I see religious beliefs, political beliefs, philosophical beliefs, economic beliefs etc as just that. Beliefs.
WTF 😒 i was tripping over that video already and now this comment and everything feels to make sense and I don't know.. i killed the buddha
That’s such an amazing take. Thanks for reposting this
Watching this again two years later and I can’t help but giggle about getting so many ads.
I don’t mind the channel getting as revenue. The content is top tier. I just find it ironic I suppose… that I’m willing to sit thru the ads to hear about my favorite movie from one of my favorite channels. Sacrifice.
Something interesting to note also in reference to this review is all the other movies that seemed to have similar themes that came out around the same time, all right before 9/11. The Matrix, American Beauty, The Big Kahuna, even Office Space. Like when Tyler talks about how they are a generation of men raised by women, I think this isnt really accurate. This corporate neoliberal mind numbing and soul crushing environment that sparked some collective unconscious rebellion against it isnt really feminine, its just an amoral genderless drab nothing environment that feminizes men and masculine ups women both to a point of zero. It was like a magnetic repulsion against this in varying different directions through these movies. Working jobs we hate to buy shit we dont needNot to get too political, but I think these issues went underground after 9/11 and all these similar problems are starting to surface again across the western world.
😲 woah
I'll have to think about this. But the idea is really quite interesting. Thanks for the comment
Господа, кто-нибудь объясните на русском языке, пожалуйста, что за мысль содержится в этом комментарии? Потому что сколько я ни пытался вникнуть, все мои попытки оказались тщетными.
@@lonelybarfly5346 Мысль в том, что многие фильмы, которые имели очень критический посыл, вышли перед 9/11, и мол после того, как крушение случилось, проблемы, показаны в этих фильмах, "залегли на дно". А сейчас, спустя много лет, они снова начинают проявляться в "западном мире". Я не переводчик, но я так понял этот комментарий. Если кто-то понял по-другому или я понял что-то неправильно - поправьте.
@@utanima Благодарю за ответ
I like what you did with the audio towards the end, felt like I was being hypnotized :/
"I am Jack's fear of change, I cling to ideas that give me momentary solace from death without providing peace with the fact of its inevitability."
"First you have to give up, and know, not fear...know that someday you're going to die."
MMFAN Badass inflection of Fight Club ethos. You write it, or is it in the book?
My pop's, who was born in 1938 and lived through ww2 as a child, always said to me that individuals who claim to "have the answer" are the most dangerous ones.
The message here:
" DON'T follow charismatic leaders, follow MUBI "
😨😨😨😨
I thought that too haha
Yessss
An empowering interpretation of the story of “Fight Club.” This was great.
Some people seem to find “freedom” in establishing their ‘superiority’ over other individuals or situations. In this process, they suppress those around them, and fall into the self-suppressing trap of maintaining this ‘superiority’.
Freedom in power through submission?
You gave here a very refreshing perspective on a such a well known movie, that I haven`t seen being discussed like that anywhere else. The depth of your inquiry still surprises me with its richness. Brilliant! And that Jordan B. Peterson...Well played LSOO, well played: ). Thank you for yet another truly stimulating analysis.
He was discussing book....used fight club as a befitting example.He could ve used others too.I disagree that its a movi analysis.
10:36 There is frame with a cut-out of Jordan Peterson in the same style as how Tyler appears in the film before he is introduced properly.
@@sauravtayade5865 Clearly LSOO focused here on one of the themes within the movie and intersects it with the book, thus he`s doing both in my opinion.
It all had something to do with a girl named Marla Singer.
Have seen so many studies/analyses of Fight Club over the years, but I must say you've managed to find even more interesting insight where I thought it may not yet have been possible. Wonderfully well made video, thank you for all the great work you do!
I first saw Fight Club in my early 20s and was shocked at the notion that someone might want the world to revert to pre-civilized chaos, associating the infinite violence and suffering of that state with moral and spiritual purity and freedom. Now I’m less surprised.
Currently my primary ideas about the story are the pathology of a culture dominated by the devouring mother archetype, the incredible confusion and pain experienced by men with no archetypal Father, and the variety of destructive and self-defeating behaviors that can emerge in such an environment.
This culture is Saturn, who to ascend into his power, has to emasculate his own father. That is capitalism right there - competition, winners takes all and no feminine influence at all. Before he sliced off the same members that helped him come into life, Saturn also forced Chrinos to throw up his siblings, whom he had eaten in an attempt to avoid the prediction that one of his own children would kill him. If you are a hamster on the wheel, it's only because you aren't willing to step off. To mentally put aside the ideas that have imprisoned you. Real suffering like Victor Frankl experienced in the Nazi Death Camps, taught him that whatsoever happens to you, whatever one loses, or is taken away from you, you always have a choice, even if it is how to endure the suffering. Your choices serve you poorly. This is not about masculine or feminine gobbledegook. It's about how you have no purppse because your life means little to you. You've never suffered anything but the breaking of your illusions.
Love this analysis. For me, this film will always be in my top 10. Can't believe it's 20! I'm so old! And this ingrained desire we seem prone to, to be a Space Monkey, to do the dirty work for leaders we so willingly thrust on pedestals, it's fascinating. What I believe Fight Club plugged in to was a man's need to be physical, to hit and be hit. We're so coddled, absorbed in a consumer world of easy comforts where our manliness, our bodies, they're of no use now, and we're so lost as to what to do when we don't have to sweat, toil and fight for every scrap. I'm lucky enough to live by the coast in Australia and can surf every day, be kissed by the sun and smothered in saltwater. Beautiful. But if I were stuck in some polluted concrete jungle, working a 9-5 with nothing to aspire to beyond stocking my crummy apartment with the newest Ikea catalogue bs, I'd be easy pickings for Tyler!! Perfect Space Monkey material, no doubt!
Like Stories of Old grew up in a fight club
We've all grown up in a fight club....life.
@wearealltubes Let me guess, you think it was actually about the Jews, or postmodernism, or cultural Marxism or something else equally retarded and convenient? Yeah, I don't think you can count on many other people coming around to your point of view.
@wearealltubes Enlighten me, what was fight club actually about?
The irony to this video is that I think you are becoming Tyler Durden for some of us, at least for me, I am kidding, somewhat, I think. Long time, first time, you're first video on kingdom of Heaven, Kant's moral philosophy is fantastic, one of my fave films, always have to say that it's the directors cut of the film when I mention it to people, and your vid on 2049 is sublime. I have been in somewhat inspired by your vids to maybe on day do one myself, but to match the quality and precision, and attention to thought and contemplation is no easy task, some day, maybe.
I'm a big fan of your videos and most of them usually make me pretty emotional. This was a great video and an interesting perspective. I watched Fight Club for the first time last year during an intro to philosophy and critical thinking class where we literally just watched movies and read philosophy. Before watching this movie we had been assigned a lot of really interesting readings on Consumerism, Symbolism (and simulacra), and these conflicting internal desires to both create or destroy which may be dependent on the existence of the other. After having my mind primed with those ideas, I found this movie to be incredibly moving in that I was exhilirated, terrified, and at times disgusted. For me, the movie is more enjoyable when assuming it's messages are mostly ambiguous and not entirely defined. The main character's inability to sleep, their need to feel intense emotion through grief to find releif, the fact that they constantly live in illusions were all concepts that really spoke to me and that I could relate to on some level. And I also feel that the critiques of Consumerism have a pretty large role to play especially at the ending which I have always read as ambiguous. What I find most interesting about this movie is that at the beginning,
Tyler's philosophy doesn't seem to be completely wrong or at least acknowledges some aspect of the truth. They don't need to recruit men because men come crawling out of the woodworks to them. But even they, who were in the beginning the protagonists, slip into chaos and madness (or maybe had been agents of chaos the entire time). I haven't quite worked out what this means to me but I feel like death is not necessarily the main character's great fear because it's when he is brought closer to death that he begins to see more "clearly". Sorry for the long, unorganized comment I just really love this movie but can't really articulate why very well 😂
12:30 the most profound observation. People seek converts to their pov because it is an immortality formula. Beautiful
“It’s essentially a search for father figures” *Jordan Peterson enters the scene* 10:35
Always hated that guy. A fraud.
@@xenahx685 you couldn’t even formulate a decent argument as to why you think that.
Geez, you are freaking Insightful! And organized. And freaking intelligent as hell. Your videos open my mind, & expose me to ideas that I was naive to prior. Thank you.😊
Thanks so much for posting this video. The trap of following unconflicted individuals exists in many sectors of life - I've been encountering this a bit in academia, with people who have very strong ideas about their field and believe they are completely right, and form cult followings of students and other academics
When I was born, I donned a spacesuit for living on this plane. - Richard Alpert
The rabbit hole go's deeper, fight club changed my life, it took me on a path, i know what it is now 19 years later indeed, but it helped me on my journey of awaking
Adam Forrest fight club open my eyes, used to be a weak man and now I am a strong man
Adam Forrest fight club open my eyes, used to be a weak man and now I am a strong man
Creative Film
How is that?
Ed Gepixel I used to be a nice guy but fight club show me to be a men not a nice guy
I just watched fight club for the first time 2 days ago! What are the odds that LSOO makes a video on it almost immediately after?! Great video! Love what you do!
JBP at 10:36 is freaking genius lol
You saw it too
The ghost of JBP!
Who's that?
@@piks3543 Jordan Peterson, a Canadian psychology professor
@@deronlester3072 oh i see thankyou bro
Another máster piece from like stories of old
I really like all your videos man, keep up the good work. Love from India
Wow. This was a lot deeper than expected. When I was a kid my brother had Fight Club and Pulp Fiction on VHS. But as a kid, everytime I started watching I stopped shortly after because I wasn't interested. I did not finish the movies until one day I did which is also the day where I fell in love with movies and I did love Fight Club. I watched it at least 10-15 times minimum when I was a teenager, probably more and and felt very much drawn to Tyler Durden so I found the topic of the video deeply interesting. In addition to that, I have to say that the topic of the video itself is (subjectively) probably more relevant now than it was in 1999 when Fight Club came out. Looking at the world it feels very polarized and spacemonkey behavior can be seen all around the world.
@Like Stories of Old Your flash of JP was very appropriate and I think the story can actually be viewed under a lens he often discusses: order & chaos and the harmony that these two conflicting forces must have. Initially, the narrator is lost, aimless, and drifting through life with no purpose. Through Tyler, he develops his masculine (order) side and for the first two acts, it turns out great. Until he starts overdeveloping that side without his feminine (chaos) side to balance it out. In the end, he rejects the extremism his masculine side became for Marla. I think this signifies a better integration of the self and a path out of the mess he made.
Isla B 10:36
I agree with you. Edward Norton being the ego-self aka conscious mind, trying to balance and integrate the disowned parts of his unconscious psyche personified by Tyler - the shadow self, the repressed, instinctual, aggressive and wild side of his psyche that was cast away because it didn’t fit in with society’s norms and expectations and Marla as the Anima, the female side of his psyche- the seat of emotions that is firstly seen only as an object of sexual desire , but later is seen as more than that . Initially the connection is formed as strictly animalistic sex ( with Brad- the shadow) and they don’t communicate well at all (with Edward). When he realizes the things he projected on the outside are actually disowned parts of himself that end up destroying and sabotaging him, he must take responsibility for it and destroy it. From the synthesis of these comes a new Self. The classic story of individuation, as Carl Jung put it.
@@mgdkns6678 you explained it much better than me. Totally agree with you. 👍
Damn. You broke the first rule of Fight Club!
“we have no great depression”
corona virus: hold my beer
It was all bullshit
Yes we don't, we don't really know what real depression and war really is
Ain't seen one sick person since this started.
@@TGUlricksen Doesn't matter, the economy is ruined, lives ruined.
@@arutzuki2491 and its gonna get worse my friend
I watched this movie when I was 16, on psychology class, our teacher liked to watch movies that kinda have something to do with mental illness (like personality disorders), and damn I'm grateful for watching this movie. Kinda showed me how to be free and what happens when you follow somebody else's way of thought
Without a doubt, I wanted to be Tyler when I was younger. I had a father who was never there for me. I never felt like I belonged anywhere. I always felt incredibly disconnected from the world. I had no philosophies to follow and because my inner pain was so intense, I didn't know how to listen to people.
Tyler was everything I wanted to be. Charismatic, actuated, and driven. He had a vision, even if it was fucked up. I wanted that power. I wanted that control over my life. Over my actions.
Over the years of neglecting my feelings and never really talking to anyone, I at some point in time actually wanted to destroy a part of society's structure. Never people, but the fundamental societal rules that "oppressed me."
Ironically, I would easily become a space monkey of Tyler. I would have never became like Tyler, because deep down inside I rejected his philosophy already. I would serve him because I would spend all my energy fighting my feelings.
I can tell you that the subtext of Fight Club feels more obvious now, as a healthier person.
when I was a horribly broken human being, all I wanted was control, a place to be, and someone to care.
I think you just said what a lot of people feel and may be battling through, whether they realize it or not. I know that I have gone through this same self-evolution as you've described. That is awesome that you had the courage to articulate this. Thank you for that.
@@dariusus9870
The most basic primal instinct would suggest human life is just like any other animal, where we just fuck to make kids.
Confidence, actuation, control over one's self. All to get laid.
My broken self also got laid. In fact, had I not used a condom, I would be a father.
Too bad there's an afterwards. Too bad the mind realizes itself. Too bad it can recall other human history, and it's own. Too bad there's other desires. Too bad we're all going to die anyways.
There's quite a bit of other things to think about. Quite a bit of other things to focus on, other than getting laid. Which is not hard.
Life is the fluff.
@@EZXSniperZzz how'd you navigate from that state of loneliness and lack of purpose?
@@TheAnimationkid101
When I was in the worst of my feelings, I remember through that pain, a deeper desire to never want to hurt people.
Then I remember distinctly loving the music I listened to and the stories that made me happy.
I loved something enough to stay here.
So, I began to fundamentally exist around that love, and the sensation in general. It get gave me the power to take risk and talk to people. It gave me the power to be vulnerable.
I kept being vulnerable. I allowed people to peer into my soul, and both accept it and reject it. I gain and lost mentors. It wasn't all glorious. I fucked up a number of times. Misinterpreted myself a million times. I still do.
Eventually, I realized just loving things wasn't enough. I ended up speaking with a therapist who suggested something different. Self-love. At least, proper self-love. Which sounded like the most bullshit nonsense I ever heard. I wanted my money back.
As the therapist framed it, I was already practicing self love, just not in the healthy way.
Think of it like eating healthy vs eating junk food.
I already knew that eating Taco Bell all day, everyday would fuck me up. I already knew that a variety whole food diet is far healthier.
What I didn't know, was that self-care was same thing. And just like a new healthy diet, that shit does not work immediately.
All diets are fundamentally far more effective with working out. With action.
And while I sought for more healthy mindsets and philosophies, I realized, just like my body, I needed to consistently work on it. I needed more actions.
Journal writing that questioned my life and actively applied those new philosophies into it.
Attempting to be more empathetic and understanding of others.
Letting go of that entitlement feeling.
Embracing what I had.
Practicing shit I care about.
Mediation
Forgiving myself, like I would forgive my best friend
I do my best to learn as many lessons from my painful mistakes as possible, that gravitate towards a deeper honesty and vulnerability. It seems the more I do that, the less I feel alone and directionless.
EZXSniperZzz I needed to read this. Thank you.
this channel is such a blessing
Its also interesting, how the movie is about his relationships with woman, embodied in Marla.
And only after integrating Taylor into himself he was able to connect with her.
A bit disapointed that you didnt touched on that part.
everything else: Great as always!
The beauty of this movie is that it can have different 15 minutes conversation or video
One of the great ironies Is for such a perceived masculinity obsessed film, the main focal point and purpose to the whole thing is Marla. Should is what drives every action within it. People lose sight of that. I was hoping not to comment on here, as I can write for days on this film, which I view to be one of the most important of the 20th century, but hopefully I can manage to leave it at that...doubtful though. The amount of ironies one can find associated with the book/film is quite high. Even with the author and the writing process and the argument that he made a text that inspired and spoke to a generation in spite of who he is/was, not because of it is also a fun one. The muse spoke, and it didn’t care what Chuck had to say, which is my personal opinion as to why that book hit so many in so many ways that modernity and progressive’s look upon with disgust and horror. The sacred becoming the profane, and vice versa. The antiquation of “problematic” aspects at the expense of the individuals forced to live in that world. This film spoke to all of that.
Just had a thought at about 3 minutes in, the impact of this movie on the creation of the online manosphere and how a movie about blind adoration to tyler durden created a real adoration for the tyler durden persona
Can't wait for your analysis of Parasite! So much love all the way here from the Philippines 💕
Just when I thought I couldn't love your channel more, you deconstruct my favorite movie. Legend.
In death, a member of Project Mayhem has a name. His name is Robert Paulsen....
American Psycho and Fight Club will both always be the greatest pieces of cinema ever filmed
I remember when this movie came out in 7th grade and everyone group was making his own fight club
Damn, crazy how this story mirrors almost perfecly the Andrew Tata cult of today. Word for word. You don't escape the matrix, you join the fight club and become a space monkey.
2:51 , first time I saw the movie I saw this and started feeling like I was going nuts, set the mood pretty good for this movie
Hero's and their followers often forget that their purpose is not to save everybody, but to teach people to save themselves and become their own hero's.
Love this overview. So dearly needed in western society today, with men lacking honorable and meaningful guidance toward noble manhood.
True, but one should be careful of becoming a space monkey to a notion of manhood!
@@eldendynast i mean he specifically said noble manhood.
monkeyishi that’s super subjective and doesn’t really mean much of anything. You ask 10 people, you’ll get ten answers as to what that actually means
You mean the androsexual that dresses up in heathen attire and runs around the Oregon woods chasing heavily muscled men in ecstasy? The one that has no wife, no child, and leaves a giant portion of what manhood is on the table, yet has the gal to write a text on what a man actually is? A central component of manhood is family, having children, and contributing something down to the generations that follow you. Manhood is not about sterility and sexual degeneracy, or narcissistic pleasure.
@Nick Smith most existentialists would also go against your notion of manhood, or any notion at all.
stop essentializing things
One of your best and most relevant yet, man. Thank you m
"Gentlemen... Welcome to Fight Club."
YHEEEEEAAAAA MTFK
Wonderful deep analysis.
Also, your voice and background music makes it 1000 times better!
10:36 really nice touch man. Hit the nail on the head there. Tyler's "Jordan Peterson Insert"
This movie simply opens up so many dialogues... A good analysis for sure!👍
This video perfectly applies to Andrew Tate and his rise and following.
11:15 Shit got real deep about here. “If you are especially sensitive it seems more than puzzling, it is disheartening”
Great video, nailed it! Loved the Jordan Peterson image pop as you talk about men needing a "Father figure" at 10:36, really appreciate it. He's one of my intellectual heroes and has helped me get through the darkest of times in life and I really can't get enough of listening to his lectures. I also understand the potential problem with blindly following all of one man's teachings, as Peterson also talks about it in detail. I suggest everyone who reads this to go watch Dr. Jordan Peterson's lectures, they are free and all of them are on yt!
wow. excellent analysis. 10/10
I love all the fanboy (space monkey) love about the film in the comments under a video about why not to be a fanboy (space monkey). But anyway, I had to read Grendel (John Gardner) when I was in HS, and there's a part where Grendel asks the old wise dragon for his best advice, and the dragon says, "find your pile of gold and sit on it." I think there's both a positive and negative (cynical) way to look at this. The vast majority of life is subjective, and so we need stories to make sense out of the raw data that life presents to us. Charismatic leaders are good at giving us stories that seem to make sense out of this raw data: it's what makes them attractive to us, and also dangerous. Because, like clothes, no one story fits all our needs. So what happens is you find your pile of gold to sit on, you run with your story, then--at some necessarily point in your life--you will discover that story no longer fits, that it can't help you make sense out of things anymore. Then what will you do? Tyler Durden will not be able to help you (if fact, he's probably the reason you got in trouble in the first place). So we need to understand that stories are just that: stories. They are necessary, and we need them, but when they get in the way, you also need to be able to leave them behind and choose another one.
Ps I'll give you my dragon tip: do yourself a favor and choose a story for yourself about helping people. It will take you farther and get you in less trouble. You will still eventually hit a wall, but it will hurt less and you will be better positioned to move on to your next story. But be prepared for your leader/teacher/guru/boss/coach/therapist to also lead you into a wall, no matter how nice they seem at the time. ;)
The Golden Age from Berserk reminds me of this.
I never saw Tyler as the antagonist. That was societal expectations from my point of view.
Same for me.
Profoundly brilliant analysis.❤
10:35, nice touch :D
lol, I just wrote the same and even used the phrase "nice touch" xD we all have some space monkey in us I guess
Beautifully done, good sir. Thank you
Goddamn, I love these philosophical analyses.
It’s not until you’ve lost everything, that you’re free to do anything.
Missing the mark, it's not about "becoming a slave". The underlying philosophical thought throughout this film is that we are not unique, and not imortal. We get caught up in trivialities when we forget the truth that is our finite existence. Tyler has embraced this truth wholeheartedly, his followers are also attempting to fully embrace this truth, they follow him in hopes of obtaining the same understanding. This film is rife with Zen philosophy, look there for comprehending this film.
Spacemonkey
I love this channel so much you can’t even imagine
Any young man who thinks highly of Jordan Peterson but is aware and wary of the influence his thinking is having on you knows this video was about more than Fight Club; (as was Fight Club). Great, great video LSOO!
What a beautiful video. An elegant and much-needed defense of self-reflection and nuance.
The meaning is when he rejects Tyler to live a regular life. He realizes there was something worth having in life, that he loves and that is worth accepting life’s limitations. He rejects a big life to be himself. He decides life is worth living, meaning he has been given new eyes to see the hidden value in his old normal life by realizing he loves, this process starts with the death of Bob and ends when he realizes he’s always been in love with Marla.
Becker is a nihilist and not a good lens for anyone. He rationalizes belief as merely a way to distract from existential insecurity. He fundamentally rejects the idea of a human spirit which is tragic because people nonetheless experience the transcendent, if you ally yourself with nihilism the spiritual experience becomes an existential threat you must squash in order to preserve your own disbelief. You invest yourself in a theory of godlessness and in order to preserve your sense of personal strength generated from having “figured it out” and you must dispel the transcendence of others which is pure experience and can never be destroyed through your outburst of intellect. no matter how persuasive you’re argument you cannot erase these experiences which have been well documented via their outward effectiveness on the faithful. Becker ultimately seeks to write God and the soul out of human life but these forces of inward spontaneity are just that spontaneous and arise regardless of how well fortified your arguments. Becker seeks to blind himself to the transcendent by explaining it away as power fantasy, this makes him a tragic figure, it’s pure pessimism and is therefore in-noble for the sake of claiming that one has destroyed God through reason as if God would cease to play a part in his own life. If you don’t believe in God it doesn’t stop transcendent experience from molding you, worse yet it cannot stop mans inherent hunger for the transcendent.
As I said Becker is not a good lens, he denies that there is meaning in anything but power and that robs man of his dignity and stories of there potency. But regardless of his belief system man is susceptible to being moved by something beyond him. His book reads like someone who wishes to dispel a phantom to which he dare never give any credit, he must always talk around the transcendent because the transcendent destroys all rationality, to acknowledge the experience of the spirit is to admit their exists something beyond the intellect so he must slay dragon that he never dares acknowledge has been seen felt and heard by a multitude of diverse people spanning culture and religion.
In order to believe him you must believe every profound experience is merely gray matter creating chemicals. Meaning you must destroy subjective reality but if you destroy subjective reality what is the point in dismantling belief, it’s like slaying a dragon who’s universe you have already destroyed. To believe Becker you must deny the human soul but if you deny the human soul you likely already pathologically agree with Becker.
This.
Shrooms and the transcendent > Tyler Durden
That was a lot more than I anticipated! Subscribed!
Oh man, superb! I feel like everyone is talking about Joker when this movie hit on those same themes 20 years ago! Dang! Except that in Joker, Tyler Durden won
God damn your essays are good
Was that Jordan peterson at 10:36 ?
Well, that was quick ;)
Yes.
HAHAA! NICE! Yes, his observations about noble and meaningful manhood are the purest and most uplifting guidance I've seen on the subject.
The first part of Fight Club is excellent. But once it devolves into Operation Chaos, it's time to walk away.
You met me at a very strange time in my life
I think this is one of the greatest videos I've ever seen on youtube
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Call if you are you/Tyler Durden....