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This instrument was a big part of my life in the 80s, I did Fairlight programming and later did Synclavier... this is how I made my living, this was a genius piece of technology back in the day - then came EMU, MPC then Ensoniq...
Geez, I kind of miss those days...
Peter Vogel should receive the Australian equivalent of a knighthood for bringing this baby into the world IMO.
That would be - a knighthood.
@@Ingens_Scherz Yeah, sorry about that.
BaddaBigBoom nah you were right, we don’t have knighthoods anymore.
I concur. Such an AMAZING machine!!
and BRILLIANT mind behind that machine!
Peter Vogel: unassuming genius who never got rich from his incredible inventions. 'Today' channel 9/7/10 (or wherever these hostesses/hosts come from) - well-meaning but typically inane commercial TV people trying their best to understand who they're dealing with. I was sad to see this video was from morning TV in Australia (let's face it, at 10AM weekdays, not the highest-IQ audience given the next segment was probably about some 'revolutionary' vacuum cleaner or something). The Fairlight CMI that Vogel created was revolutionary, and responsible for some of the greatest sounds of the 80s.
Peter Vogel. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
what's crazy is how little has changed. They were so so far ahead of their time.
Hmm, except you can now have something that does the same stuff (and much more) with better resolution and a fraction of the price ....in your home computer!
I had the honour of playing one of these a while back.
It was pure delight for a synth nerd. Sure I have better samplers etc but this was a FAIRLIGHT.
Well the Sampler of the CMI will still be way superior, despite the lower res DAC. Because of the way it playbacks and re-samples the audio. They really were very creative to bypass all the technical shortcomings to not letting it ruin the audio quality :)
Love how the host can't contain himself and just interrupts Peter by punching random keys... ;^)
Who could resist?
Mr Vogel should have brought a nice flexible plastic ruler to put a stop to that!
Glad it's not just me he annoyed 😂👍
Non-musicians have no idea who he was, what he created and how it influences music still today. The Fairlight changed everything. At $100,000 back then, it was only available to recording studios and big name musicians. Eventually replaced by the more affordable E-mu Systems offerings, but in its time, the best.
I remember in the 80s trying to spot them when bands performed on television in the UK , monitor was so distinctive perched there, I remember Nick Rhodes having one, used to see them demo’ them on programs like tomorrow’s world and Sesame Street , we had a music program called top of the pops on Thursday night and if you were lucky you could spot the monitor sitting there . Brilliant. I’m tempted on the lite version if it supports Audiobus and has that Trevor horn patch . It’s about £50 uk pounds for the pro version
I still use the Proteus samples. I used to use the SF2s on the Sound Blaster before E-Mu got bought out. I bought a Proteus 2000, and still love it to this day. Very high quality samples, and many DAWs still keep the presets around for the MIDI.
That's expensive back in the 80s I'm the 80s baby
It had a very short time in the sun. By 1987 you could replicate virtually all the functionality of the Fairlight with an Atari ST and a Midi compatible keyboard for about $3,000.
Peter Vogel is one of my heroes. So modest, genius.
I had the IIx and Series III. Amazing pieces of kit, but seriously expensive. The Series III cost me around £36,000. The iconic womans voice sound at 4:52 is called Saraar (or a spelling close to that). The sound I used most frequently was Cello, which had a depth, impact and presence not even surpassed by today's samples.
When did the Fairlight S / III cost you £36K ?????
@@robh7671 1988 from Andrew Stirling at Syco Systems. It was around £28k for the base system then the rest on extra RAM cards at £2k a pop and other bits. Expensive business, even by today's standards.
My goodness this piece of equipment was so far ahead of its time.
Peter Vogel is one of the people on this planet that I admire greatly. What an intellect this man has.
What a living legend in the Australian music scene. Well done Peter.
Vogel’s fairlight is the most significant musical instrument of the 20th century.
Yep, I'd go with that.
Wrong ...the most important of the 21st century.
cost 35,000$ at 1978
that was a real innovation, also had a pan touch screen, this is a true mosterpiece
o c Officer Crabtree, is it you?
Kate Bush used it the best on Hounds of Love
04:38 Art of Noise - Moments in love :D I LOVE this track.
I've never heard "Moog" pronounced as incorrectly or with so much passion!
Australian pronounciation
Bob was fine with Moo-g
Peter Gabriel certainly brought it to life
Kate Bush too.
Had no clue about this machine but it's made it very clear where the tracker scene on the Amiga 500 got it's inspiration from
The first commercially released album to incorporate it was Kate Bush's Never for Ever (1980)
Kate Bush "Hounds of Love" my favorite.
Dang, this is a well-made segment. Hosts did their research even!
She def did.
Thank goodness they had the foresight to have this segment at all. I'm grateful indeed.
@4:03 oof. I would love to see an interview with Peter on a show that has the time and the understanding to give this instrument and the people behind it the respect they deserve. That said, I'm glad they did this interview in the first place. Any coverage and discussion of the CMI in the modern era is worthwhile.
There is one on TH-cam I watched it a few days ago.
Peter is a thoroughly great guy. I must be the ONLY other person in the world to have ALL the files, schematics, GALS, PALS and ROMS needed to build a Farilight IIx or III. He let me have the lot.
“Since I was a kid I was just fascinated by electricity” . Thanks Peter!
How the hell did Stevie Wonder use the fairlight being a graphical interfaice only
He might have had help then memorized it all.
I believe there was a braille interface.
That sounds right. A number of companies worked with Wonder to provide him keyboards he could use. I know Yamaha worked with him.
Haven't you heard? He isn't really blind.
i don't know about the fairlight stuff but in the 70's he had people who helped him setting up the synth sounds. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Margouleff
He is so modest!
Peter Vogel we thank you for !!!
Legit brought a tear to my eye.
Wonder why Vogel didn't mention the guy who got the message out to all those musicians like Wonder and Hancock was another Aussie audio Pioneer and genius named Bruce Jackson, who amongst other things designed mixing consoles, mixed for Elvis, Springsteen, started Apogee and did audio for Sydney Olympics...just to name a few things. Jackson personally flew those fairlights cross country in his own aircraft. Sadly passed away a few years back. An interesting omission, although Bruce is mentioned on the Fairlight cmi wiki..someone should make a documentary or write a book about all these characters..
Quite right - Bruce was our "lucky break". Another important name to mention (there are many of course) is Tony Furse who engineered the Qasar M8 synthesiser that morphed into the Fairlight. Tony's technology (which we licensed) gave us a huge advantage.
It's always nice to acknowledge what team before as we take things so for granted these days
9:40 Not Thriller, it's the beginning of Beat It. Which is what the presenters should have done.
Well technically he was right since "Beat it" was a song from the Album "Thriller".
The Beat It “gong” was actually from the Synclavier not the Fairlight.
Ah, the orchestral hit - also used on "Hello Again" by The Cars - this thing is all over the Heartbeat City album.
A very interesting album. Not their best, but best commercially. But a ton of hit songs off it. Give me Candy O over Heartbeat City anytime ;) Heartbeat City was probably better Panorama...maybe :) But I liked Panorama just fine
And “the dreaming” by Kate Bush
The orchestral hit was sampled by david vorhaus and shared in the library in1980, i think he is ashamed for its over usage during the 80s
It's maybe a little bit surprising to learn that this 30th anniversary ( although handcrafted like the 1908s originals series ) is only a fraction of the cost of the originals. It would be interesting to take a census of those hundred or so 1980s models to find out where they are and who owns them.
The next person to incorrectly pronounce "moog" should have a System 55 dropped on their toes.
@@garethjones7182 ... yeah, trickier to pronounce, for those verbally challenged like her. ;^)
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According to Rick Wakeman he once asked Dr Bob Moog how his name was pronounced as he was conscious of getting it wrong...do you pronounce it "Moooog" or "Mowg"? Apparently Bob just smiled and said "I really don't mind". So if Bob doesn't mind, why should anyone else?
David Bowie didn't mind either ("Bow-ee" "Booey" etc) and was known to pronounce it differently himself from time to time.
@@NuGanjaTron they can't even pronounce "idea" they say idear lol.
"Mowg" would be written as Moge or Mogue in English. This is why it's always mispronounced.
Wow... some of the most recognized sounds in the world.
Love it... "Are you Rich?" well... no that part alluded me so far... we were about 20 years before our time" ... You are preaching to the choir baby!
That part _eluded_ him. The hosts alluded to him not being rich.
#sorryCantHelpIt
It didn't just the sound of the 80's, it changed the sound of music even today..... Which could also be a bad thing in some cases.
Absolute legend!
The thing is, the opening sound on "Thriller" was NOT a Fairlight; it was a Synclavier.
You mean at 9:40 Beat IT.
@@MorenoJ1973 Yes, exactly. Better heard at 9:48. But yeah, that was originally done on a Synclavier. The Fairlight simply sampled it for this demo.
That moog was more complicated wasn"it Peter?
A legend!
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5:33 The Engish scientist in question is Dr Magnus Pyke who dies in 1992. Sadly missed.
Pretty good for Morning TV. Curious as to why Peter never mentioned Kim Ryrie - was there a falling out between them?
I wondered that too.
There probably was. Things were pretty chaotic in Farlight’s last days.
Sadly, if you didn't get this when it came out, you probably never will. The injunction against PVI selling it is still in place. The best we'll ever get is the iOS app - which is the entire reason there are no 30A's able to be sold.
4:07 shout sound 😍
Did vangelis use this or moog?
I know he used Clavioline alot in early 70s and then yamaha cs80 in late 70s and early 80s.
For sampling needs, Vangelis used E-mu Emulators (notably I and II). As for the Moog, he used a Minimoog.
Dolby didnt have cmi for golden age of wireless album only for the follow up
"Instruments are no longer user friendly" ... agreed!
I think Icehouse used it also.
Jackson Gong sound was in fact a Synclavier and not a sample.
It's a bit misleading to have Owner Of A Lonely Heart on a key...
superb very good:)
That woman really gets it.
Totally.
The Michael Jackson sample was from the Synclavier.
That wendy carlos comment was so uneccesary. "Oh wow, the 80s were wild🤓" ah yes because Wendy's identity was just a wild 80s trend
Why? He only stated the facts that he was a man first then became Wendy Carlos
@@NathanChisholm041 *She
And yes I wasn't criticizing Peter Vogel, he obviously respects Wendy, but that reporter was being weird about it
Fair enough mate.
I had one of these. Whilst it looked great it was let down by running under Windows (yes windows!) It kept dropping tracks. Once I had that happened I sold it right away. You can't have dropping tracks.
The biggest issue i had with the CMI 30A was the terrible price. The original already was so expensive that only the elite of musicians and producers could afford one. And the 30A, dispite all the technical progress and cheaper price for the parts, still cost an arm and a leg. I already had to give up the hope to ever be able to afford and play on one of these…
They do make a software version of the CMI though I think?
Michael Bauers They do. Unfortunately, that iOS app is the reason you can’t get a CMI-30A today. That touched off a whole legal firestorm that ended with an injunction against selling the CMI-30A that still exists to this day.
Mouse was 15 years old in 1980.
Interesting, this pronunciation thing. I've always referred to the machine as a Mooooog, and so did just about everyone else outside of the USA, so it came as some surprise when I saw an interview with Robert and he was referred to as Moog (as in Vogue). Like another poster said though, old habits die hard and I still pronounce it the way I have done for over 50 years. When you see the word for the first time and you are an English speaker (or even if you're not) that's the way you would naturally pronounce it, but obviously Robert's pronunciation trumps everyone else even though it doesn't make a lot of sense. So, it's Moge all the way! :)
By the way, I agree those presenters (especially the male variety) were extraordinarily patronising towards such a clever individual..
The correct pronunciation is of course as Americans say it, but do American cows "moo" or "mow"?
yes word can be funny sometimes... read or read...
10 years before the mouse was invented! (1989?) 🤣 The mouse was invented 11 years before it (Douglas Engelbart - 1968, NLS system). Commercially available six years before the CMI Fairlight.
True, also the rather silly excuse regarding the keyboard & them needing to make it in house. Keyboards were available & even IBM probably would have sold them some that they could adapt. It seems a lot of what they were doing was wrong & hence why they chose to have it at a high price knowing it could be sold to a select group. So essentially a short term project that tech would always supersede as costs were driven down.
I had 2 of the original Fairlight CMI's , i also gave there app company 2 months work after beta testing the app lol
Stevie WOnder had an "Observation" to make about the Fairlight.
Switched On Bach was released in 1968, not the 80s :)
now play terminator theme
yes the moog a lot trickier than the fairlight lmao
We're not worthy! We're not worthy!
"An English scientist" come on mate, Dr Magnus Pyke 🙂
better Australian invention than the rotary clothes line
it's really crazy, if you think about, that we now can do this with a i Pad. 😏
thank you sir , it was Walter Carlos!!
Hey thanks for having me on the show! Stop touching the fucking keyboard!
"Mooooooog"
She saying it how a cow would.
I know synthesizer experts who mispronounce it. I am not joking. Bonafide synthesizer masters, who actually know they don't say it properly, but admit they learned it wrong, and can't correct themselves.
It's crazy isn't it. I called somebody out on it recently and he claimed he knew and thought people who pronounced it correctly where wankers lmao.
*were ;-)
And it's BACH!! Not BAHKKKK. >_>
"10 years before the mouse was invented ".... mmm, maybe not. Still, bloody fantastic.
Yeah, I was thinking that. The computer mouse was invented in the 60s.
That was just as off as "10 years before the PC". I'd say the hosts are 10 years behind. ;^)
NuGanjaTron got to remember that Australia legitimately did lag behind back in those days.
1979 is probably close enough to 10 years before PC were “popularised” (he didn’t say invented) here. Definitely it was the late 80’s before they were anything near mainstream.
My dad got his first PC in ~1996 and he was an academic working in the field. (Signal processing, later AI). If you had a computer in the 1980’s in Australia you were a very early adopter.
Yeah on the mouse thing I expect he misspoke, but this was still 4-5 years ahead on the first PC mouses. Again they weren’t properly popularised until a bit after that.
@@NuGanjaTron
Pretty sure he meant 10 years before PCs had PCM capability which isn't far off, first PC sound card with sample based audio (PCM) was in 1987 but was a single channel pretty crude piece of junk.
First Soundblaster card was in 1989 but it too was pretty ordinary, wasn't until about 1991 before it became decent enough.
Amiga computers on the otherhand had decent 4 channel PCM onboard soundchip which was technically superior to Fairlight series I and II at a fraction of the price in 1985.
5.42. What a great time it was! People thought, that if you can't touch smth, then there is no need for copyright protection. Then guys like Steve Jobs (let him rest in peace) and Bill Gates came into this area and explained, that it was wrong to think like this.
That guy that said oh that was start of MJ song Thriller when he put his finger on the key, Is he tone deaf as that was obviously the start of Beat It !!!!
She also seems to be not the brightest light... she states that "the 80s very wild", but Walter went into Wendy in the early 70's. And the MJ sound was a Synclavier. It's just sampled into the CMI here for the Wow-effect
Most people are like that. Lack of musicality or musical knowledge.
Was just just about to say the same thing yes Synclavier MJ used on that album not fairlight.
the bass line in thriller is a minimoog. I saw a video on here about it. when it was pure analog signal,,before M.I.D.I. and before the fairlight C.M.I.
AlobarMusic ha. I just said that in another reply. Yea, it was some gong preset.
thanking ab0ut getting a vst called cmi v it act like this
maybe dont play happy birthday behind vogel as he is telling the story....
Produced by children. Terrible production, constantly showing that scene when they are done talking about Stevie and it doesn't even contain a Fairlight.
8:28 "you shouldn't have to look at a screen to play music" he says as he literally demonstrates an instrument with a screen 😄 but seriously the CMI was groundbreaking
It’s unfair that they believe he has dissuaded the next generation of musicians from picking up “real instruments”. The computer age was going to happen no matter what and instruments were going to become computerized. I think it’s up to the preference of the musicians; what tech and instruments they are going to use. Personally I use a guitar, real synthesizers, bass guitar, bass synth, real racks and effects; but I also use everything I can to support my sound with what the computer provides in engineering and actual music production. Also we as musicians would never be able to have the personal studios at our disposal nowadays without computers and daws. As a result I probably would’ve never even became a musician in the first place. Computers quite literally perform the job of almost an entire studios layout.
Er, that's Herbie Hancock and Quincy Jones
lol cmi30a subasted in 65000 dollars.....
Now $25000
Do people understand ?!
You shouldn’t have to look at a screen to play music. No truer statement.
Father of the sampler(grand father is the melotron)
yeah, I can see how some might see the Melotron as a sampler, but it was more of a ROMpler, because I didn't think users created their own sounds ( not sure Melotron offered that ability)
PAYtah GAYbreel
Nice instrument but way too expensive for the vast majority of musicians at the time
Bla, bla, bla, bla. Me quedé con ganas de oír el Fairlight...
He showed Stevie Wonder how it worked? Hmm... Something's not right there.
dutch menneer are you being pedantic and would rather he said taught? Sorry I meant semantic don’t shoot, don’t shoot!!
Or are you suggesting that he never taught Wonder how to use the invention and he just magically picked up this piece of equipment and had to teach himself because a blind person can’t be taught by a sighted man?
Hmm...
“The mewg” oop
He said he did not know it was out there? Some people didn't know about Fairlight? What's wrong with them? I knew about it when I was a kid in the 80s. And please pronounce Moog to rhyme with Rogue or Vogue.
just because you knew something doesn't mean it's commonplace for everyone else
The music snobs have arrived in force I see.
Whadda ya expect, the host was a total wanker...
This hosts are anoying
@SouthHemiTV 3 If you're so indifferent to Vogel's achievements, why are you even posting here?
Their show, their rules...
First real sampler. First sampler that could do what we call key groups now. These were innovative but were replaced by the esoniq mirage and akai mpc line. Nobody since the early 90s would have used one of these. Nobody would use one now. There isnt any good music made just on a fairlight but moments in love. But moogs still sound good and music made just on moogs still sounds good. These were ahaead of the time but cheesey and no reason to buy one since the mirage or mpc
Erm… Hounds of love by Kate Bush? Some of that is exclusively fairlight with effects.
"Something you can do now on any shit PC"
pretty much, but some say the Fairlight has a distinctive sound due to it's specific implementation. No idea how close the 30A comes to the original ( and there were different models of original with different specs.)
Nice to know that there are still people doggedly mis-pronouncing Dr Robert A Moog's surname.
' the "Mooog" ' ... oh dear lol
it's pronounced like Moh-g
There's no need for this setup anymore other than the build quality and energy that goes into the hardware. I have an Arturia cmi and operate in a daw which I can take on stage with an 88 key controller and laptop. The idea was brilliant but the execution was wrong. Like many great minds, their vision shaped the future but they didn't consider the economies of scale.
Gets nervous re rights lol