I remember a journalist from Performance Bikes magazine in the 90's stating "Northman Whitham's hanging off riding style was developed to search for 20p's on the track"
Met Whitham at the weekend,top bloke really down to earth,he has seen the post and remembers the race well!Pointed out Steve Ives was out in front until he ran off and that Foggy's bike was faster than his RGV!
I remember watching this live. What an awesome race between two of the best. It also really heralded the future dominance of the 4 strokes in this class.
this is one of my fave all time races....earlier in the race they were all over each other constantly passing,sliding and almost crashing...good to watch.
Is this the same James Whitham that was riding the BSB bikes round at about 30 mph for his Eurosport feature last year? Haha,Don't worry James,time waits for no man-it just makes us love you even more! Hope James and Jack continue to grace the BSB series forever more,they really are the best commentary team ever.
I don't doubt it mate,Whit was one of my heroes when i got into biking in my teens. You don't loose it,you just appreciate the benefits of self preservation when you break rather than bounce!
@@pablomero6228 ThE bikes are not as "top technology" as F3 used to be...in fact they are 7" slower than MOTO3...but they are the most "together" races ever! Groups of 15-20 together all ThE race, every race....even hilarious! Impossible to know who is going 3rd or 4th...
I think i was there, we were standing just after the bridge. Excellent race and if I recall both were out later on 750's. I think Whit was on the GSXR then
@@mcopperwheat If I can find it and digitalise it, got to be careful it's not a Greenlight production like the IOM races as they take it down. Anyway at some point in the race Foggy shakes the back of James's seat as he passes. funny pair playing to the crowd.
I agree two top blokes&I can't believe Foggy raced the same bike I now own!,Thanks to him&his daughter I once owned a Ducati 998 Matrix Reloaded edition!!.
Why didn't you know, they were blamed as THE MAIN CULPRITS for Global Warming ! RG500 CH (1989) Pepsi-Suzuki "Kevin Schwantz" GP Race Replica, Interestingly, the last of the street RG500s (the H model) had almost the same power output as the original works racers!
@@pabloperez4063 they are not faster. They just stopped developing the 2 strokes… when they raced together for 2002 season, development of 2t had stopped 2 years prior and still they were pretty close
Brilliant racing Foggy showing the heart of a Lion as usual. Well done Carl on winning the jungle challenge. You deserved it. The public saw you for what you are a great normal bloke! Well done mate .
One of the nicest blokes you could ever hope to meet in the paddock. And Carl Fogarty.
Englands finest riders of the 80's & 90's on the road and track. Top men
Proper bikes proper pilots they wer the glory days of racing legends amazing trust in each other
That RGV250 was a beautiful and fast bike. My first bike back in 1999 was the baby Brother RG125 FUN. fond memories. Thanks
I remember a journalist from Performance Bikes magazine in the 90's stating "Northman Whitham's hanging off riding style was developed to search for 20p's on the track"
Met Whitham at the weekend,top bloke really down to earth,he has seen the post and remembers the race well!Pointed out Steve Ives was out in front until he ran off and that Foggy's bike was faster than his RGV!
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I remember this on the telly year's ago now..
Thanks for your upload.. :)
I remember watching this live. What an awesome race between two of the best. It also really heralded the future dominance of the 4 strokes in this class.
Jamie was awesome.
this is one of my fave all time races....earlier in the race they were all over each other constantly passing,sliding and almost crashing...good to watch.
awesome ! thanks for sharing these
more bike racing from that era coming soon,glad you are enjoying it too!
Vfr400 against rgv 250 nice ride both and hero's of mine
love watching this two of the best
Great race between two great friends
Is this the same James Whitham that was riding the BSB bikes round at about 30 mph for his Eurosport feature last year?
Haha,Don't worry James,time waits for no man-it just makes us love you even more!
Hope James and Jack continue to grace the BSB series forever more,they really are the best commentary team ever.
I don't doubt it mate,Whit was one of my heroes when i got into biking in my teens.
You don't loose it,you just appreciate the benefits of self preservation when you break rather than bounce!
I could just about smell the Castrol R..
Thank man Great vid!!
Beautiful to watch... thanx.
SS400 was great racing but the 400's always had the advantage of a longer useable power/rev range - both Foggy & Whitham were class acts :-)
400 Supersport, they should bring this class back
No
Your request 5 years ago has been heard in the skies above:
Now we have SUPERSPORT 300 CHAMPIONSHIP
@@pabloperez4063 That is cool, I watched most all races last year on SBK.com website.
@@pablomero6228 ThE bikes are not as "top technology" as F3 used to be...in fact they are 7" slower than MOTO3...but they are the most "together" races ever! Groups of 15-20 together all ThE race, every race....even hilarious! Impossible to know who is going 3rd or 4th...
Great vid good memories :)
AWESOME!!! we need more more .. the whole race would be good... any 250/400 action!
Quality racing from two legends
Glad you liked it!
Amazing video....I had the epic NC30 in Taiwan
Great stuff, thanks for posting it.
Could you have guessed I wanted the NC to win it? ;o)
I think i was there, we were standing just after the bridge. Excellent race and if I recall both were out later on 750's. I think Whit was on the GSXR then
Glad you liked la battaglia!
that was cool. more please. :D
I have the full race on VHS somewhere great days.
If you can still get a player for it !
The rgv 250 was brilliant and that's why aprilla 250 was so successful in racing as suzuki supplied them the engines.
upload it to youtube, this has nearly 500000 views. I and many others would love to see it.
@@mcopperwheat If I can find it and digitalise it, got to be careful it's not a Greenlight production like the IOM races as they take it down. Anyway at some point in the race Foggy shakes the back of James's seat as he passes. funny pair playing to the crowd.
They should have made the new Moto2 class between 350cc 2-Strokes and 600cc 4-Strokes.
Now thats a battle that we could understand
They use two race 250cc 2T vs 400cc 4T , also in the TT
No other NC30 was this fast, this bike had HRC bits on it. Although SS400 was a production based class. Hmmmm.
I agree two top blokes&I can't believe Foggy raced the same bike I now own!,Thanks to him&his daughter I once owned a Ducati 998 Matrix Reloaded edition!!.
exciting AND NICE WORKS!!!
Fantastic
I was flag marshall on this very day. What a race !
Real racers in real times❤️👍
that was brilliant m8 ;)
Good stuff,don't see races like that these days !!! thanx for replying my e-mail so soon, we will have to meet up for a beer soon, Bye for now , Neil.
Like some amateur. Fogarty looking behind 5000 times. Now since Whitham it's Eurosport comentator i have great respect for the guy. Very professional
Why does looking back make him an amateur?
Great stuff
racing colors of the 90's pink, orange and lots of neon colors...
I still have a racing suite from dainese..horrible color today can`t wear more. Pink, Black and Purple.... lol
Wish 2 strokes never died
2 strokes are good
Why didn't you know, they were blamed as THE MAIN CULPRITS for Global Warming !
RG500 CH (1989) Pepsi-Suzuki "Kevin Schwantz" GP Race Replica, Interestingly, the last of the street RG500s (the H model) had almost the same power output as the original works racers!
They were amazing...but ThE positive thing IS that ThE 1000cc MotoGP are way faster...And this IS what makes ThE races super. ThE faster, ThE better
@@pabloperez4063 they are not faster. They just stopped developing the 2 strokes… when they raced together for 2002 season, development of 2t had stopped 2 years prior and still they were pretty close
Need some footage of Jamie in the wet, phenomenal racer, funny as feck and a proper gent.
Anyone know how worked this NC30 is? Damn beautiful to see this footage... nice upload.
Yeah! NC30 vs RGV250- awesome! Go honda V4!
NR 750 RVF....one of the best And most beautiful And most advanced bikes ever
wow used to love jamie whitham,always wanted whitam to win but fogarty always used to pip the post ,nice upload
cracking race shows the strengths and weakness of 2 and 4 strokes,
Yes agreed great rivalry,but these two are best of mates,where as Sete and Valentino.........well!
Because Valentino needs hate in order to win
British Supersport 400 Championship 1991.
As featured in PB!
250 2-strokes & 400 4-strokes? What is/was this racing formula called? Great racing btw :)
1 great race, 2 legends 3 crazy eyes
Whitham said in 2017 that he had a broken ring after a few laps in the race
What’s the HP of those bikes? Cheers
I've got a couple of Supersport 400 races but they mostly feature RGV's and KR1's not your beloved four stroke.Will have a look for you anyway.
fogarty makes me laugh forever looking over his shoulder
Seemed to work for him though; especially getting a good idea what line Jamie was taking behind him.
Because he lost his mirror somewhere down ThE track
Excellent Video! POST MORE!!! RGV250 would of won if foggy blocked him in the corner exits
Foggy spent longer looking behind than forward …!
400cc against 250cc 🙄.....even it is a 2 stroke...that win was no big deal Carl......
just enjoy the racing.
what year was this?
Late 80's maybe...?
met foggy once he was an arrogant big headed pillock but!! 4 times world champ i suppose you can be
¿RG 250 vs vfr 400?
What 400 v 250 did I hear right
Fogarty è un dio...he's a god
Bhè, si vedeva a occhio che la Honda di Foggy andava il doppio!!! Bella la battaglia 2 tempi VS 4 tempi...
rgv 250 suzuki two stroke , amazing !!
Sultanes del Swing.
this is fuckin awesome mate do you have any other nc30 racing clips?
ive owned both those bikes.
One of their later WSB races at a wet Monza - Carl was leading, saw it was James behind, so stood on his pegs and wiggled his bum at James.
...and Jamie too!!!
This was called Formula 3 or F3. Before the SV650s etc.. ps.. Carl Fogarty is David Patrick Kelly..
Good race.
Before electronics pussified motorcycle racing
It was a thing waiting to happen...because in those days ThE HP were 4 time less
Im sure you could control 260bhp! 😂
No replacement for displacement.
Jamie was fantastic! I ended up with a pair of his Marchi wheels off his BSB Gixer....unreal.
proper sportsmen
Fast as fuck and no leg dangling...makes you wonder what's the point...
Monkey see, monkey do
Brilliant is James
oh yes sorry 1991 didn't see that at first.
RVF400 ปะทะ RGV250 เฉือนกับแบบ แทบกินกันไม่ลง
Shout out to my mate Steve Ives who was beating both of them
Yeah top lad is Steve as is his brother, Ian. Many a laugh with them up at their shop in Hyde
As Wayne Rainey once said "To finish 1st first you gotta finish"!
they sure are fast bike being so small..
They look really fast ! Imagine if they were riding 250 GP...
Steve Ives should have won this one!!!!!!!!
I thought Haga ran close ha ha.
Stroker baby.
Brilliant racing Foggy showing the heart of a Lion as usual. Well done Carl on winning the jungle challenge. You deserved it. The public saw you for what you are a great normal bloke! Well done mate .
@doraemaman Wrong- NC30 VFR400. V4 rulez! No in-line shit here!
@JeremyGSU u must be under 20 then as fogarty was the daddy in the mid to late 90's
Remember this well.
Fogarty always beat whitham most of the time.
Whitham not getting the rear end right out on this one haha.
You wont ever see them days off racing again, absolute gentlemen of superbike racing 👌
foggy looks scared of witham! looking round to see where he is at every corner!
You can only look back if you are in front.
Cadweel?
Foggy Vs Cyclops
Oh no, not steve parrish again!!!
@racefactory900 the big 4joke would won't to... such a large bike right up it's arse