Import-Export Beauty Products Factory - Intermediate Chinese - Chinese Conversation | HSK 4 - HSK 5

แชร์
ฝัง
  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มิ.ย. 2019
  • When people think of China, they think of factories and the import - export business. Doing business with China is one of the main motivations for students studying Mandarin. But what language do you hear if you talk Mandarin with a Chinese factory or Chinese foreign trade salesperson? In this video, you will find out, when Eileen visits a Chinese import - export factory and talks about business!
    This video is divided into three parts:
    1) Introduction to the company and their salesman, Elvis
    2) A walk around the factory
    3) Demonstrations of the company's Beauty Product
    A version of this video without English subtitles can be found at:
    mandarincorner.org/visit-to-a...
    Contact information for Okay Beauty Products:
    email: sales3@okaypec.com
    wechat: 15918240370
    cellphone: +86 15918240370
    Website: www.okaypec.com
    Like our unique content? We need your support to continue making these kinds of videos and maintain our website. As a Mandarin Corner Supporter, you will also have access to all our Premium Content (more info in the links below).
    Please consider supporting us in one of the following ways:
    1) Support us at Patreon: / mandarincorner
    2) support us with a one-time PayPal donation at:
    mandarincorner.org/one-time-p...
    3) Finally, you can support us through WeChat:
    www.mandarincorner.org/support...
    Music Credit:
    Blue Skies by Silent Partner
    intermediate chinese - chinese conversation - intermediate chinese listening practice - chinese podcast - casual chinese conversation- chinese listening practice - mandarin conversation - casual mandarin conversation - real mandarin conversation - mandarin listening practice - hsk 3 - hsk 4 - real chinese conversation - intermediate mandarin - intermediate mandarin listening practice - learn mandarin - learn chinese - mandarin corner - chinese corner - chinese factories - chinese import - export - chinese manufacturing - china import export - china factories - china manufacturing - chinese business - China business - hsk 5 - hsk 4

ความคิดเห็น • 147

  • @MandarinCorner2
    @MandarinCorner2  5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    *Download pdfs, audio (mp3), videos, Anki flashcards, HSK courses and more for as low as $10!* mandarincorner.org/store/

    • @explorer3677
      @explorer3677 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Eileen, there is a new app on Google play, it has copied all your videos along with other Chinese learning videos and made it into an App. The name of the App is 21000 videos for learning Chinese. I am sure all his videos were copied without permission. Please complain with Google so that it is removed for Copyright Violations. It is not fair to make money out of your work or the work of many other authors and passing it as one's own.

    • @MandarinCorner2
      @MandarinCorner2  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi explorer, thanks for letting us know! We don't own an android phone and Google play is restricted in China, but we will try to check this out as soon as possible.

    • @explorer3677
      @explorer3677 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MandarinCorner2 I hope you do. I feel bad about how some people are making easy money by copying other peoples work. The creators of that App should be sued.

    • @srma9854
      @srma9854 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      👍

    • @pt6792
      @pt6792 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I do not use papal, can I pay you on WeChat?

  • @stlev99
    @stlev99 5 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Eileen, you've done it again. I have NOOOO Interest in beauty products (at my age, what is the use hahaha) but I watched every second of this longgg video. You really are a terrific interviewer. You were born to hold a microphone also, this factory was am eye opener for me, because in Thailand where I live most of the year,ost people think Chinese products are unreliable and have no QC. Clearly this company you showed is a model company. If I were in businesses, I wouldn't hesitate to buy their products. Thanks.

    • @1x0x
      @1x0x ปีที่แล้ว

      this is about business tho you think this guy cares about beauty products

    • @samdobie6748
      @samdobie6748 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@1x0x He has good skin, I'm sure he uses skincare products tbh

  • @wirehanga3966
    @wirehanga3966 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Eileen you’re an amazing interviewer! Really appreciate this series. Keep up the amazing work. Remember to try and donate if you can, guys

  • @Guss7804
    @Guss7804 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Wow.. So much words to learn more 😅
    But it's definitely a great video! You must had put so much effort to do this video and still providing the English subtitle.. 谢谢你们!

  • @chineseeddieg1120
    @chineseeddieg1120 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This is such a good real-life interview with pinyin, characters and eng sub at the same time. I can imagine how much effort one can put in this teaching video. I am a Chinese native speaker and I love the style! And thanks for sharing beautiful Chinese language to the whole world and influence all the Chinese lovers. It even inspired me to make some Chinese teaching vids myself. I wanna make ppl realize Chinese indeed is interesting and beautiful. If you are also learning Chinese, I'd like to contribute too;) Thanks for the inspiration

  • @MandarinCorner2
    @MandarinCorner2  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    *Contact information for Okay Beauty Products:*
    email: sales3@okaypec.com
    wechat: 15918240370
    cellphone: +86 15918240370
    Website: www.okaypec.com

  • @unicyclechinese3125
    @unicyclechinese3125 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    非常好!!! You are amazing! Videos like this are why I am one of your Patreon supporters!

  • @FlightDeckMagazin
    @FlightDeckMagazin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thanks Eileen, Donation was send ;-)

  • @shnuggumz
    @shnuggumz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wow, there is so much vocab, grammar, and natural sentence structure to study here. So glad I donated so I can download this one to listen in my car! Excellent idea, thank you!

  • @WolfusMandrago
    @WolfusMandrago 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thank you for making the video. It's not easy to find intermediate or advanced content for learners. Usually it's either beginner material or content for native Chinese speakers. I appreciate videos like this one! Looking forward to future videos!

  • @AndrewByrnes1
    @AndrewByrnes1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Hey Eileen, just letting you know I completed my hsk4 exam today. I’ll get my results in 30 days! Thank you so much for being a great help in improving my ability and providing such quality content :)

    • @MandarinCorner2
      @MandarinCorner2  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You welcome, Andrew! Good luck with the results.

    • @wirehanga3966
      @wirehanga3966 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Please keep us updated!

    • @AndrewByrnes1
      @AndrewByrnes1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      WireHanga will do :)

    • @AndrewByrnes1
      @AndrewByrnes1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I got my results today (earlier than expected). I achieved 80 for 听力,阅读88, 写作85 which is a total score of 253/300 or 84%. Thanks so much for your help 老师. I’m preparing for the 5 now!

    • @wirehanga3966
      @wirehanga3966 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Andrew Byrnes OMG so proud!!! Well done!

  • @JeffOTravels
    @JeffOTravels 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Your videos are really so good! The care you put into each video and the added pinyin is so helpful!

  • @jackuzzi5251
    @jackuzzi5251 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That beautiful smiling face of yours makes me want to keep going with my Mandarin.The sound and production overall was professional...sound is so important to excellent interviewing...good work Joe .

  • @willarn1
    @willarn1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    谢谢!
    Also I’d consider mentioning in the beginning your videos aren’t monetized with ads. Might increase the donation rate. I wasn’t aware of that before.

    • @MandarinCorner2
      @MandarinCorner2  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good point A William Arnold IV! Thanks for reminding us of this.

  • @milamila7145
    @milamila7145 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you! This live interview using business vocabulary is exactly what I was looking for!

  • @TheFatSonny
    @TheFatSonny 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Outstanding job! I've been studying Mandarin for over a decade, including living in China for 10 years. Watching and studying this video will help your Mandarin more than going to China!

  • @kimheng9109
    @kimheng9109 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    非常感谢您的分享。从视频里 我能写到很多知识👍👍👍😊😊😊

  • @vio3366
    @vio3366 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm not a fan of makeup but actually these products help you to take care of your skin, thanks for your videos! i'm learning a lot

  • @christophebraun5856
    @christophebraun5856 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    你的视频真的是TH-cam上最好的。 太好用了, 谢谢你。

    • @christophebraun5856
      @christophebraun5856 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      你选的话题每次特别有意思。 我最喜欢的是关于纹身的那个视频!

    • @MandarinCorner2
      @MandarinCorner2  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      谢谢!

  • @slashlakers2320
    @slashlakers2320 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very informative and interesting video. Thank you so much

  • @Yo-cn3nc
    @Yo-cn3nc 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was looking for a video like this, speaking about foreign trade with subtitles for those who are learning Chinese like me. Thank you a lot!

  • @bbedeschi
    @bbedeschi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    now, THIS is what "go the extra mile" means
    congrats

  • @tylerfetherston3208
    @tylerfetherston3208 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is some seriously professional interviewing. Great job.

  • @harminavuyk3676
    @harminavuyk3676 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Eileen Thank you so much for all your efford, Its so helpfull. Thanks also for the pinyin.
    You do a greath job. Xiexie ni ,!!!

  • @charlesayache6801
    @charlesayache6801 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What an excellent journalist you are, not leaving one stone unlift! And how do you find such pros?

  • @sanjaxiaolong
    @sanjaxiaolong 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you Mandarin Corner..these videoes are very useful..

  • @kidenglish8747
    @kidenglish8747 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i already download so many your video to learning, thanks so much!

  • @minhtruongLe-ft9ub
    @minhtruongLe-ft9ub วันที่ผ่านมา

    Appreciate your work a lot Mandarin Corner!

  • @waynechanner4339
    @waynechanner4339 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This really helps with the listening component. It starting "slow down" for me

  • @byarmee5797
    @byarmee5797 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love all your videos ,it helps me a lot
    Thank you so much!
    Love you 😘

  • @MrAlopekos
    @MrAlopekos 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! I found out that their facial spray is available in the Spanish Amazon marketplace, I might order it as a gift!

  • @adtienloc1806
    @adtienloc1806 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thank you for your work, Eileen.

  • @adiraka
    @adiraka 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Eileen please create more natural conversation like this 🙏🙏🙏

  • @FC-bh5qb
    @FC-bh5qb 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    親愛的Eileen老師,你讓任何話題都有趣,我喜歡拼音,非常好!

  • @explorer3677
    @explorer3677 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Awesome video, it made me realize how very much more i have to study and learn. It was fun though. Am also impressed with the high standard of this companies manufacturing processes. Thanks for the learning. Now my only question is if they gave you a free product sample. And if so, which one. Please answer me in the comments section, ha ha ha.

  • @carlaheart5115
    @carlaheart5115 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Please do more of these business Chinese type of videos! Very informative

    • @gigglehertz
      @gigglehertz 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I'm one of those people hoping to do business directly with Chinese companies. Business vocab is a perfect topic.

  • @shawolrxol9744
    @shawolrxol9744 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    真的感谢你,你说明得非常清楚。由于你的帮助,我考得非常好。❤❤❤

  • @yernaryergaly7253
    @yernaryergaly7253 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    谢谢你们,这么有用的视频😍😍

  • @carlossp6211
    @carlossp6211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    愛看妳的影片。謝謝。超級好用的。我以前因為工作的原因也有去廣州看工場了。我個人很喜歡中國。很想找時間回去認識多個地方,吃好吃的。

  • @asmaghouri9302
    @asmaghouri9302 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really appreciate your effort

  • @peteENpl
    @peteENpl 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    好极了,a lot of new input :)

  • @srma9854
    @srma9854 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    真的很不错吧,万分感谢🤩

  • @lyndaward1708
    @lyndaward1708 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    这部视频挺有意思。公司代表说的非常清楚,他说普通话说得很标准。又好听又不难懂。

    • @MandarinCorner2
      @MandarinCorner2  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      我已经将你的留言发给Elvis看了。

  • @rajones55
    @rajones55 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    這個視頻充滿多種多樣的有用詞

  • @nusratjahan99924
    @nusratjahan99924 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please 🙏 do more videos teacher. Very helpful ☺️

  • @crowerussel3412
    @crowerussel3412 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    1000 likes for you Eileen!! Wonderful Video.

  • @TheImrankhan09
    @TheImrankhan09 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much Eileen..

  • @iumaminhat
    @iumaminhat 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    非常感谢你们。对我很多帮助。希望一天比一天发展。

  • @NoName-tt1pe
    @NoName-tt1pe 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really unusual content. 加油啊❤️

  • @jonathaninchina3693
    @jonathaninchina3693 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    真的有意思!提醒我还有那么多应该学习的内容!

  • @dharmendraprajapati4355
    @dharmendraprajapati4355 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Elvis 有最畅销五款产品,蒸脸器,洁面刷,补水喷雾,眼部按摩仪,脸部按摩仪。太棒了美容仪器。也欣赏Eileen的工作。

  • @abdullahalmuzaki9689
    @abdullahalmuzaki9689 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can't wait the next video

  • @alexfreeman3697
    @alexfreeman3697 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its the great video for me as i very interested in bussines dialogues !!!!!

  • @user-hg1jp9dz9k
    @user-hg1jp9dz9k ปีที่แล้ว

    Eleen i like your videoes very much you are doing a great job tm from Pakistan

  • @thelanguagelife7962
    @thelanguagelife7962 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @daniel7007
    @daniel7007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    非常好
    Let's do some videos about factory and Import-Export, I guess it's an interesting topic

  • @Nachscrach
    @Nachscrach 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    great job!

  • @nguyenhuyen8219
    @nguyenhuyen8219 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so so much

  • @asmaghouri9302
    @asmaghouri9302 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good...just like this video do you have any related to laptop import - export video, or any from which we get vocabulary of laptop import and export business

  • @Cynthia2421
    @Cynthia2421 หลายเดือนก่อน

    谢谢您

  • @user-cl3fw8wi4m
    @user-cl3fw8wi4m 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    挺好的视频

  • @tuanbee-chinese2586
    @tuanbee-chinese2586 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love you and him

  • @user-ke3vq5se9n
    @user-ke3vq5se9n 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you. (Your's student)

  • @SOVIVAN
    @SOVIVAN 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    您很棒

  • @eddyavailable
    @eddyavailable 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Best!

  • @learnenglishwithjackie8817
    @learnenglishwithjackie8817 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    感谢您

  • @olivierazul6978
    @olivierazul6978 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video

  • @Tk0mma
    @Tk0mma 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Playback speed --> 0.5
    What a time to be alive.

  • @olivierazul6978
    @olivierazul6978 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks

  • @hellopanda1664
    @hellopanda1664 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    what an interesting topic ! xiexie Eileen

  • @Lucasho96
    @Lucasho96 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ll speak fluently Chinese one day soon! 💪

  • @WahidulAnanda04
    @WahidulAnanda04 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Caan you please do the same thing with a IT base factory?

  • @jackuzzi5251
    @jackuzzi5251 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    To be honest the colored lights on the face was hysterical.

  • @alimallahcom
    @alimallahcom 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    its great video, however, I am not sure whether or not those beauty products can make good impact on your skin

  • @rogersea6529
    @rogersea6529 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    brilliant video ! - so interesting - the quality and dedication to testing was unbelievable
    27.33 was funny and at 31:17 0, qishi jiu fenzhong ( 0h 79 minutes)- I also would have also been surprised at 79 seconds and asked why? - so can I have your job please ?
    the chinese was far too difficult for me and I just couldn't find the settings to slow to 0.1 speed - I will be writing to youtube
    In England I buy HORNBY model steam trains (they are made in China) and the quality has always amazed me - having seen this video I now know why
    - you have done a lovely job with this video

    • @MandarinCorner2
      @MandarinCorner2  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here are instructions on how to slow down the video's speed:
      *TOO FAST?* Control the video's playback speed *by speeding up or slowing down the video 5% at a time* on *desktop computers and laptops* OR *25%* at a time on *smartphone.*
      Access the playback speed controls as follows:
      *Desktop Computers and Laptops* : open the video, then go to the lower right of the video's screen and click on the settings icon (it looks like a GEAR). On the upper right of the options window that comes up, you will see the link "custom". Click on the "custom" link to control the video's playback speed by speeding up or slowing down the video 5% at a time.
      *Smartphones* : open the video and go to the upper right of the video's screen. You will see 3 dots. Click on them and you will see the link to open the "playback speed" controls. Click on this link and you will be able to control the video's playback speed by speeding up or slowing down the video 25% at a time. Note that viewing the video on desktop computer/laptops gives you greater control over the playback speed (5% vs 25% on smartphones).

  • @lennon_richardson
    @lennon_richardson 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Elvis 很耐心

  • @anushkajoshi3600
    @anushkajoshi3600 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are amazing lady!!! Such a hardwork .great and thanks a ton! If I want to give some suggestions for the topics please give me your email address. Again great effort!!

  • @freeman3467
    @freeman3467 ปีที่แล้ว

    So cool and funny video! Thank you Mandarin corner!

  • @joyfulmind9567
    @joyfulmind9567 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    你很厉害

  • @seth1455
    @seth1455 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had to stop the video after 5 seconds when you introduced that guy as "Elvis". I was laughing so hard it hurt.
    Explaining why a Chinese man calling himself Elvis is so funny would take me hours, but no disrespect intended

  • @hanafitan7731
    @hanafitan7731 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Eileen can be a journalist

  • @mohammedazam2729
    @mohammedazam2729 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i will donate

  • @chaaawe
    @chaaawe 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    xiexie...zhe ge mianchi feichang hao!!!

  • @JN95_infinitefeelings
    @JN95_infinitefeelings ปีที่แล้ว

    ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @mylesdedman
    @mylesdedman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    First🙌🏼

  • @TheDavidlloydjones
    @TheDavidlloydjones 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Video starts at 2:49.

  • @ndspeedster
    @ndspeedster 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    so whats the name of the factory? and where is it?

  • @djm192
    @djm192 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    男人的普通话说得很清楚啊!

  • @casparwesterman5739
    @casparwesterman5739 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    老师你好,我有一个问题想问你!在28.28他讲话的时候,他的意思是不是首检,而不是首件?首检的话,跟后面的过程检和终检有一个链接。谢谢!

    • @MandarinCorner2
      @MandarinCorner2  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      他的意思就是首件,first item of a batch. Not the intial test.

  • @AliyaVeber
    @AliyaVeber 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    台台做 怎么翻译?

    • @MandarinCorner2
      @MandarinCorner2  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      台台做,台是机器的量词,所以他的意思是,每一台都会老化。

    • @AliyaVeber
      @AliyaVeber 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MandarinCorner2 谢谢你的解释🌹🌹

  • @kidenglish8747
    @kidenglish8747 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    can you give me thí company's contact?

    • @MandarinCorner2
      @MandarinCorner2  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The contact information appears on the end of the video and below the TH-cam video, in the "show more" section.

  • @roligue
    @roligue 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    好久沒看你。。。。。最近真麼樣你沒事吧

    • @MandarinCorner2
      @MandarinCorner2  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      我很好。谢谢关心!马上要出视频了。

    • @roligue
      @roligue 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MandarinCorner2 I'm glad you are OK👍👍

  • @BangkokPoet
    @BangkokPoet 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful video. If only Chinese people spoke a bit slower I might have some chance of understanding them without reading the characters! Aiiiyaahhh!

    • @MandarinCorner2
      @MandarinCorner2  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi BangkokPoet, you could use TH-cam *playback speed* control to decrease the speed in 5% increments. You find this option on the lower right, the *gear icon.* Click on this gear icon and one the the options is playback speed control.

    • @BangkokPoet
      @BangkokPoet 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!

  • @hanafitan7731
    @hanafitan7731 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    still too difficult for me , speak very fast

    • @MandarinCorner2
      @MandarinCorner2  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hi hanfi tan, you can control the *playback speed* of the video by going to the video's setting. The icon for the video settings looks like a sprocket and is found on the *video's window lower right.*

  • @TheImrankhan09
    @TheImrankhan09 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    这个视频非常难 :(

  • @MandarinCorner2
    @MandarinCorner2  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *TOO FAST?* Control the video's playback speed by speeding up or slowing down the video *5% at a time* on *desktop computers and laptops* OR *25% at a time* on *smartphone!*
    Access the playback speed controls as follows:
    *Desktop Computers and Laptops:* open the video, then go to the *lower right* of the video's screen and click on the *settings icon* (it looks like a GEAR). On the upper right of the options window that comes up, you will see the link *"custom".* Click on the "custom" link to control the video's playback speed by speeding up or slowing down the video 5% at a time.
    *Smartphones:* open the video and go to the *upper right* of the video's screen. You will see *3 dots.* Click on them and you will see the link to open the *"playback speed"* controls. Click on this link and you will be able to control the video's playback speed by speeding up or slowing down the video 25% at a time. Note that viewing the video on desktop computer/laptops gives you *greater control* over the playback speed (5% vs 25% on smartphones).

  • @sabinemaar6781
    @sabinemaar6781 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I will help chinese or mandarin speaking people and friends to come easy to make profit.

  • @miguel-jq4bv
    @miguel-jq4bv 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow… this man speaks so fast…😢

  • @velkylev4217
    @velkylev4217 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi sweetheart , pin me please .

  • @BuzzCruise5743
    @BuzzCruise5743 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is not intermediate talk