There was a similar situation with the original Hadron XX and they changed the flaps to a different system. I agree that working towards a safer sport can only be a good thing.
I knew Lee and hearing about you and your friendship with him tells me he’s your guardian angel. He was a a man like no other. This journey you’re on definitely sucks at times but you know he’s up above telling you that you will make it. It sucks but continue to make him proud.
I also flew this exact glider after your incident. OneUp shipped it and a 20m out to me for all of the SF Bay Area pilots to demo. We knew it was “the” glider, but that’s because I asked. I don’t want to go into details here, but something was “off” about it in our opinions. The 20m was crazy awesome, though. I’m looking forward to flying Nickerson’s 23m at Salton to see if it was just me or the glider.
Absolutely, I really like BGD products. BUT also I’m not one to fly with brakes stowed, phone in hand, fully accelerated while at low altitude. Altitude gives you time, time for the wing to recover! You know this.
I decided not to fly because I found you and your accident. I originally subscribed to somebody that went to chimney rock North Carolina and that looked amazing flying with a little motor in a parachute or whatever you call it, but I found you through him via TH-cam and decided I don’t want to. I’ll stick to my fixed wing license persuit
Absolutely, I have 2 BGD Cyclones A 34 and a 42 for my Fly Products Eco 2 trike. Any reflex glider fully accelerated with a tension knot could have the same collapse!!, I can assure you that other manufacturers have had accidents as well! I personally just use trims and never use the speed bar on any of my four different wings just to be on the safe side. BGD makes great products, with all due respect the accident was 100% pilot error. We are all human and make mistakes, and we learn from them
Hey Anthony.. have you watched Dells videos about his wings and his videos about reflex gliders and their proneness to collapse? Wondered your views. I know not alot of people like his attitude but his wings do look almost fool proof. Hope you are doing ok.. mexxy xmas to you and the family
Thank you very much my friend. I am not very familiar the Dell’s glider (the Dominator). I flew one once, and didn’t really enjoy it, but I didn’t have enough time on it to form a detailed opinion. I hope you and your family have a beautiful Christmas! As always, thank you so much for your support. 🙏🏻
@@AnthonyVella I trained with Dell last year, and he has the rights to the Dominator design, he didn't design this glider, he bought the rights to it, so it has nothing to do with him personally.
This is a post from Trevor Steele in regards to the Dominator vs the Ozone Speedster. If you didn't know Trevor Steele is a family member of Dell and used to work with / for him (Mentioned this so you know hes familiar with Dell and that wing) Ken Werner the speedster isn’t a beginner wing. It’s an intermediate wing. And the dominator is really collapse happy but quick to recover. Funny enough, it is uncertified and the sky k2 which it is a copy of was also never EN or DHV certified. The dom sucks in a handful of ways: bad inflations, easy to stall on launch, doesn’t produce much lift, easy to collapse, super inefficient, doesn’t roll well, slow, bad glide slope, wears out wicked fast, and no flare authority. The dom is good in some ways: fun to kite, cheap, and recovers from collapses quick. In all seriousness though, Dom pilots need to be aware that their doms will fall out if trim way faster than expected, and their lines will wear faster than expected. There’s plenty of doms out there that would not pass an inspection and there’s been cases of line failure during maneuvers. Another thing all flat top owners need to think about is what reserve they have. Most flat top pilots are way overloaded on their reserves and if they ever needed to throw their reserve, they’d come down way harder than they should.
Dell is a well renowned embarrassment of a human being. He's a narcissist who only promotes himself and the gear that he sells. He knows how to fly well. I'll give him that.
I really would like to see you fly again. I am so sorry you crashed. My dream was to fly, but I hurt my knees landing whlie learning, I didnt say anything to the instructors. I had to walk away from the class and still feel horrible about it to this day. But maybe its for the best, like you I have kids
LOL, repeating “Transparency,” as often as you can doesn’t make it apply. The folks in question have all been instructors Long enough to know how to approach each pilot as appropriate. In this case, NOT creating an unnecessary bias, was the exact right thing to do. We know this, since he said so,,,and then bought the wing. It’s more common for pilots to see gear as gear than to struggle with emotional connections to inanimate objects. To some knowing the history may be important, and I suspect the folks in question would have disclosed it earlier,,,get well soon,,,
I agree. It’s an inanimate object and doesn’t possess any sort of bad juju. I think that someone gave a good example: he said he’d purchased a house, and later found out that someone had been murdered in his bedroom. It doesn’t mean there are evil spirts haunting that room. Still, seems like the courteous thing to do to tell the buyer. Fortunately for Brooke, he didn’t care. But as you read on the Facebook posting, there were many people who would care. There are people in this comment section who’d care. I wouldn’t have cared about any of this had the original poster not tagged me in the post. And then for numerous others to tag me, message me, and even call me. Ultimately, I have a pretty neutral opinion: I would tell someone, but I agree that it doesn’t actually matter. But that doesn’t mean that someone shouldn’t be informed. Like the car commercial, “show me the car fax!” 🦊
The risers were in all the way but technically with a piper that’s fine The wing just passed a porosity test but getting to the end of its life Came down in a soft swampy pasture thank god Walked away
To be honest, after your accident, there is no way I would buy a BGD paraglider. The pictures are so engraved in my mind that I no longer have any confidence in the BGD company. But trust is very important when flying.
You must not understand what happened then. He had a tension knot that led to this incident. Every glider has the potential for this to happen, so with this mindset you should’ve lost faith in all Paragliders then
You better not buy an ozone or dudek either plenty of peeps died on those even the A and B wings.There was obviously a compression knot in the upper cascade.
@@JohnTostiyea, but maybe the glider has a predisposition to tension knots due to the cord placement within the wing airframe itself. I don’t fly, and have no idea. This is a question
@@GolfFoxtrot22 I hear you buddy. I think of my late friend, Lee. If his aircraft was somehow salvaged, I couldn’t bring myself to fly it. He died in that aircraft. It would mess with me. Perhaps it’s because he and I were very close. But if something happened to you on a paraglider, I wouldn’t fly it because of how close we’ve grown over the years. That’s just how I personally feel.
I wouldn't fly any, at all, ever. When you just take a moment to step out of your reality for a sec and truly think about what you're doing, (being suspended in the air by strings, and a you're totally dependent on weather not blowing you away) all while being thrusted forward by a makeshift engine strapped to your back you realize what you're doing. I'll gladly fly a glider plane though, much much safer. Another thing, why do paramotor pilots have no regard for safety? Many of them do low altitude passes then blast off in the air and do insane turns back down. Just a deathwish, similar to motorcycle riders you see in the highway doing 90 and wheeling. They're just riding on time
It has everything to do with the individual. I know several pilots who fly their planes just as carefree as the paramotor pilots and motorcycle riders that you mentioned. On the other hand, I have several friends who are very conservative with their flying style. Interestingly, I think that death claims pilots at both ends of the risk-taking spectrum at even rates.
I hear you brother. I think it would be especially challenging if you’re friends with the person who was severely injured. Someone gave an example of buying a home where they weren’t aware that the previous owner was murdered in it. It’s one of those things where you’d want to know.
It's all good! But I will say, and I've been making fun of it for years. We don't need production value on messaging. Unless you're really trying to make somebody feel a moment, not everything has to be over produced. Unless you're into mass media and stuff which is not what paramotor pilots, at least long term ones, respond to.
Change glider to car, and I can for certain say you drive a type of car somebody else had a serious accident in, at one point, due to pilot's error. I am trying to understand what the nuance is in your message.
I may not be able to help you understand if if you can’t even fathom why so many other people, who specified why already, would want to know if the glider they bought (or were going to fly) was involved in a crash that nearly killed the pilot.
If one tension knot makes the characteristics to cause such a catastrophic collapse, it's not a safe glider anyway. A good design wouldn't have this issue, it's a single-point of failure. My personal feeling is that you got a gust that caused a frontal since you had speed bar and trims which put the glider in a condition that made it possible. I would not fly that glider myself, Even though Tucker tested the same glider under fully-accelerated conditions, it was only one test under ideal conditions.
A reflex wing collapses when brakes are pulled because the brakes disrupt the airflow and stability provided by the reflex profile. This increases the angle of attack, reduces internal pressure, and destabilizes the wing, making it prone to collapse. This is like saying you will not drive a car with a particular set of tires because you drove the summer tires in the snow and it caused you to crash your car.
I wouldn’t fly it and I’m pretty open to flying most wings. I believe I seen another video with that glider where they had a very similar situation but didn’t go on bar and landed ok. I understand why it happened but I still wouldn’t feel comfortable on it.
I think for me, the deterrent would be the emotional response it would cause. Aside from that, I think I’d feel perfectly confident that I wouldn’t get hurt again, but I don’t think I’d ever use speed bar again. Not that speed bar is evil. It’s just when you’ve had an experience like mine, you might shy away from it.
There was a similar situation with the original Hadron XX and they changed the flaps to a different system. I agree that working towards a safer sport can only be a good thing.
Definitely!
I knew Lee and hearing about you and your friendship with him tells me he’s your guardian angel. He was a a man like no other. This journey you’re on definitely sucks at times but you know he’s up above telling you that you will make it. It sucks but continue to make him proud.
Thank you so much for saying that. I miss him so much. I really feel like he’s still with me.
I also flew this exact glider after your incident. OneUp shipped it and a 20m out to me for all of the SF Bay Area pilots to demo. We knew it was “the” glider, but that’s because I asked. I don’t want to go into details here, but something was “off” about it in our opinions. The 20m was crazy awesome, though. I’m looking forward to flying Nickerson’s 23m at Salton to see if it was just me or the glider.
Interesting 🧐. I look forward to hearing about your experiences with the 23m!
Absolutely, I really like BGD products. BUT also I’m not one to fly with brakes stowed, phone in hand, fully accelerated while at low altitude.
Altitude gives you time, time for the wing to recover! You know this.
I decided not to fly because I found you and your accident. I originally subscribed to somebody that went to chimney rock North Carolina and that looked amazing flying with a little motor in a parachute or whatever you call it, but I found you through him via TH-cam and decided I don’t want to. I’ll stick to my fixed wing license persuit
Absolutely, I have 2 BGD Cyclones
A 34 and a 42 for my Fly Products Eco 2 trike. Any reflex glider fully accelerated with a tension knot could have the same collapse!!, I can assure you that other manufacturers have had accidents as well! I personally just use trims and never use the speed bar on any of my four different wings just to be on the safe side.
BGD makes great products, with all due respect the accident was 100% pilot error. We are all human and make mistakes, and we learn from them
Hey Anthony.. have you watched Dells videos about his wings and his videos about reflex gliders and their proneness to collapse? Wondered your views. I know not alot of people like his attitude but his wings do look almost fool proof. Hope you are doing ok.. mexxy xmas to you and the family
Thank you very much my friend. I am not very familiar the Dell’s glider (the Dominator). I flew one once, and didn’t really enjoy it, but I didn’t have enough time on it to form a detailed opinion.
I hope you and your family have a beautiful Christmas! As always, thank you so much for your support. 🙏🏻
@@AnthonyVella I trained with Dell last year, and he has the rights to the Dominator design, he didn't design this glider, he bought the rights to it, so it has nothing to do with him personally.
This is a post from Trevor Steele in regards to the Dominator vs the Ozone Speedster. If you didn't know Trevor Steele is a family member of Dell and used to work with / for him (Mentioned this so you know hes familiar with Dell and that wing)
Ken Werner the speedster isn’t a beginner wing. It’s an intermediate wing. And the dominator is really collapse happy but quick to recover. Funny enough, it is uncertified and the sky k2 which it is a copy of was also never EN or DHV certified.
The dom sucks in a handful of ways: bad inflations, easy to stall on launch, doesn’t produce much lift, easy to collapse, super inefficient, doesn’t roll well, slow, bad glide slope, wears out wicked fast, and no flare authority.
The dom is good in some ways: fun to kite, cheap, and recovers from collapses quick.
In all seriousness though, Dom pilots need to be aware that their doms will fall out if trim way faster than expected, and their lines will wear faster than expected. There’s plenty of doms out there that would not pass an inspection and there’s been cases of line failure during maneuvers.
Another thing all flat top owners need to think about is what reserve they have. Most flat top pilots are way overloaded on their reserves and if they ever needed to throw their reserve, they’d come down way harder than they should.
Dell is a well renowned embarrassment of a human being. He's a narcissist who only promotes himself and the gear that he sells. He knows how to fly well. I'll give him that.
Dell is a well known joke in the community, don't take anything he says seriously, his opinion is garbage.
I really would like to see you fly again. I am so sorry you crashed.
My dream was to fly, but I hurt my knees landing whlie learning, I didnt say anything to the instructors. I had to walk away from the class and still feel horrible about it to this day. But maybe its for the best, like you I have kids
Get a trike. I started with foot-launch and switched to trike because I can't hold the weight on my back.
LOL, repeating “Transparency,” as often as you can doesn’t make it apply. The folks in question have all been instructors Long enough to know how to approach each pilot as appropriate. In this case, NOT creating an unnecessary bias, was the exact right thing to do. We know this, since he said so,,,and then bought the wing. It’s more common for pilots to see gear as gear than to struggle with emotional connections to inanimate objects. To some knowing the history may be important, and I suspect the folks in question would have disclosed it earlier,,,get well soon,,,
I agree. It’s an inanimate object and doesn’t possess any sort of bad juju. I think that someone gave a good example: he said he’d purchased a house, and later found out that someone had been murdered in his bedroom. It doesn’t mean there are evil spirts haunting that room. Still, seems like the courteous thing to do to tell the buyer. Fortunately for Brooke, he didn’t care. But as you read on the Facebook posting, there were many people who would care. There are people in this comment section who’d care.
I wouldn’t have cared about any of this had the original poster not tagged me in the post. And then for numerous others to tag me, message me, and even call me. Ultimately, I have a pretty neutral opinion: I would tell someone, but I agree that it doesn’t actually matter. But that doesn’t mean that someone shouldn’t be informed.
Like the car commercial, “show me the car fax!” 🦊
I think that as long it was inspected and tested, there would be no problem flying it. I wouldn’t fly that one… because I’m not ready for the Luna.
I had a wing deflate 6monts ago fell out of the sky almost straight down 18meters not much parachute to that
Changed my undies bought a new wing
What caused the wing to deflate? Did you stall it and lost lift?
The risers were in all the way but technically with a piper that’s fine
The wing just passed a porosity test but getting to the end of its life
Came down in a soft swampy pasture thank god
Walked away
To be honest, after your accident, there is no way I would buy a BGD paraglider. The pictures are so engraved in my mind that I no longer have any confidence in the BGD company. But trust is very important when flying.
You must not understand what happened then. He had a tension knot that led to this incident. Every glider has the potential for this to happen, so with this mindset you should’ve lost faith in all Paragliders then
Can you please help us understand why you suddenly don’t like BGD because one of their wings had a tension knot?
You better not buy an ozone or dudek either plenty of peeps died on those even the A and B wings.There was obviously a compression knot in the upper cascade.
@@JohnTostiyea, but maybe the glider has a predisposition to tension knots due to the cord placement within the wing airframe itself. I don’t fly, and have no idea. This is a question
@@SinisterRealityI was the pilot who flew it. I have yet to experience a tension knot after 8 hours of use .
its all risk vs reward. i agree knowing the history of your equipment is important to make an informed decision.
Yeah even if it passed inspections all the seams and stitching was shock loaded in that crash.
I didn't even get a notification you posted this video! 💀
You’re not alone buddy. I think I’m in the same boat. I didn’t get a notification either!!!
Without hesitation.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 I hear you buddy. I think of my late friend, Lee. If his aircraft was somehow salvaged, I couldn’t bring myself to fly it. He died in that aircraft. It would mess with me. Perhaps it’s because he and I were very close. But if something happened to you on a paraglider, I wouldn’t fly it because of how close we’ve grown over the years. That’s just how I personally feel.
@AnthonyVella I definitely think a death is different to an accident. It's also why I've never sold my Hadron, because of my accident.
I wouldn't fly any, at all, ever. When you just take a moment to step out of your reality for a sec and truly think about what you're doing, (being suspended in the air by strings, and a you're totally dependent on weather not blowing you away) all while being thrusted forward by a makeshift engine strapped to your back you realize what you're doing.
I'll gladly fly a glider plane though, much much safer. Another thing, why do paramotor pilots have no regard for safety? Many of them do low altitude passes then blast off in the air and do insane turns back down. Just a deathwish, similar to motorcycle riders you see in the highway doing 90 and wheeling. They're just riding on time
It has everything to do with the individual. I know several pilots who fly their planes just as carefree as the paramotor pilots and motorcycle riders that you mentioned. On the other hand, I have several friends who are very conservative with their flying style. Interestingly, I think that death claims pilots at both ends of the risk-taking spectrum at even rates.
I wouldn't but it be too personal. I understand others might have different opinions and good messages about informed choices and different decisions.
I hear you brother. I think it would be especially challenging if you’re friends with the person who was severely injured. Someone gave an example of buying a home where they weren’t aware that the previous owner was murdered in it. It’s one of those things where you’d want to know.
@AnthonyVella absolutely! Couldn't agree more. Too close to home. On both examples!
Show us your cool robot arm!
In short, yes.
It's all good! But I will say, and I've been making fun of it for years. We don't need production value on messaging. Unless you're really trying to make somebody feel a moment, not everything has to be over produced. Unless you're into mass media and stuff which is not what paramotor pilots, at least long term ones, respond to.
Change glider to car, and I can for certain say you drive a type of car somebody else had a serious accident in, at one point, due to pilot's error. I am trying to understand what the nuance is in your message.
I may not be able to help you understand if if you can’t even fathom why so many other people, who specified why already, would want to know if the glider they bought (or were going to fly) was involved in a crash that nearly killed the pilot.
yes, because it was pilot error. Please send to me, thank you.
I would fly it!
Right on buddy! 🙌🏼
If one tension knot makes the characteristics to cause such a catastrophic collapse, it's not a safe glider anyway. A good design wouldn't have this issue, it's a single-point of failure. My personal feeling is that you got a gust that caused a frontal since you had speed bar and trims which put the glider in a condition that made it possible. I would not fly that glider myself, Even though Tucker tested the same glider under fully-accelerated conditions, it was only one test under ideal conditions.
A reflex wing collapses when brakes are pulled because the brakes disrupt the airflow and stability provided by the reflex profile. This increases the angle of attack, reduces internal pressure, and destabilizes the wing, making it prone to collapse.
This is like saying you will not drive a car with a particular set of tires because you drove the summer tires in the snow and it caused you to crash your car.
I dont think I would purposefully
Totally understandable, brother. I think I’m in the same boat as you.
Nope!
No
Why not, my friend? I don’t think I would either if I were in your shoes. I’m just curious why others wouldn’t.
I wouldn’t fly it and I’m pretty open to flying most wings. I believe I seen another video with that glider where they had a very similar situation but didn’t go on bar and landed ok. I understand why it happened but I still wouldn’t feel comfortable on it.
I think for me, the deterrent would be the emotional response it would cause. Aside from that, I think I’d feel perfectly confident that I wouldn’t get hurt again, but I don’t think I’d ever use speed bar again. Not that speed bar is evil. It’s just when you’ve had an experience like mine, you might shy away from it.
Nope...won't touch bgd! Can't stand the gawdy color schemes anyway.
I think their colors are beautiful. Much better than those boring two color ozone wings.
Haha! That never bothered me. I actually really like the BGD Base color scheme.
@ haha. I kinda agree with you buddy. I just like BGD colors. My mom is a professional quilter. Perhaps that’s why. lol