Pat McAfee & AJ Hawk On If HGH Is Commonly Used In The NFL
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- There is a big misconception that every NFL player is using HGH and other major performance enhancing drugs.
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Everyone but the Detroit Lions uses steroids in the NFL.
😄😄
Lol so true
The Jets don’t.
The jags be taking estrogen
They do they just take it wrong lolol
Pat got real quiet when AJ mentioned kickers 😂
What was that about 😂
Yeah, he's an NFL insider but he know nuffin' about players cheating......lol!
😂
@@carlfrye1566 Janikowski must’ve been pumping the good stuff for Lane Kiffin to have him try a 79 yarder
AJ Hawk: "I played 12 years and nobody was ever talking about taking PEDs, what would they even say?"
Maybe ask your old teammate Clay Matthews?
This is how I know they're lying. Clay was USC teammates with Cushing, they made HUGE body changes there. Once guys started getting popped (like Cushing) and get suspended you could literally see CM3 get smaller and lose his speed and power. He got his bag and then gave it up later in his career, it was pretty obvious to us Packers fans.
@@kyleconnor2759 There's a few things they are hush hush about, like PEDs...but the acceptable leaks like "everyone smokes weed" come out.
I believe him. If someone is doing something illegal, why would they go blabbing to everyone in the locker room?
His point was no one is going to risk their career by talking about it. Aj isnt stupid. He knows guys did it. They just didnt talk about it.
@@kyleconnor2759 I hope you really don’t believe that people in the NFL are actors dawg. Personally knowing 3 people that have made it and one being a super bowl champion I can tell you they aren’t lol
No joke the punter on my college team was suspended for 365 days for PEDs. Served the time, came back, and was surprised he was on the first piss test list. That one was 3rd strike.
There was literally kids at my high-school in 9th and 10th grade football that were given steroids by coaches and we weren't even some big name school. You'll never convince me that these athletes aren't on some type of test, dbol, or HGH
Drugs won’t turn u into a great athlete, it just makes u more of what u already are
@@dweez4703 literally everyone in the NFL is a great athlete
@@austinlevi3452 not bc of drugs
@@dweez4703 well duh but if you're already good, those drugs will absolutely separate you from your peers who aren't using. You can't take a drug for skill, but if your existing skill can be enhanced, there's a clear advantage caused by it.
My highschool football team weight lifting was a big deal we had a powermeet competition at the end of the year and they had the records from each weight class for each lift posted on the wall. The records were spread throughout the different graduating classes until suddenly they weren’t lol. The next few graduating classes after mine which included my brother were juicing machines. Apparently steroids even at the highschool level are pretty easy to get
Of course it is. These guys are competing for multimillion dollar jobs. If you think 45 year old qbs play like they are 25 by eating kale and wild hickory nuts you’ve lost your damned mind.
Lol Brady hater
@@JackboMack he’s absolutely not hating, he’s stating a biological fact. I’ll take a 25 year old over a 45 year old in a foot race any day, unless the 45 year old is juiced to the tits.
@@JackboMack how's he a hater lol? You can't seriously tell me he's not on steroids
Lol
@@unillustrious3154 Ah yes, because Brady totally has that Steroid Body. Totally ripped guy with biceps rivaling Laron Landry
Pat and AJ protecting the brand. All these guys on test and GH
“Everyone is on steroids” - Nate Diaz
Hgh isn't steroids btw, pretty different. Still not necessarily good long term tho
Pretty sure it was nick
@@TheGoldenBoot-cz1do his sentament is still valid everyones using some form of PEDs
@@TheGoldenBoot-cz1do K thanks for the clarification
@@ethanmoneymuter7284 wrong
“Our roided up guy beat your roided up guy”. - Wilburt Burr on Lance Armstrong debacle
Armstrong was a BeasT
These guys tryin to act like nobody’s using. Lmfao
AJ's chin is unhumanly large, we all know he was on HGH
Nah man AJ Hawk just an alpha male apex predator. Thats all genetics. AJ came out the womb with a chin like a man of steel.
100%
Gear is always a secret. No one just tells other people that. Plus anyone bigger than you are is on gear. That is man code.
NFL: “HGH IS BAD!” ALSO NFL: *Hires Brian Cushing on Texans S&C staff* 😂
nfl =/= texans but ok
@@unsolicitedditkapics9722 same way they stopped Urban Meyer from hiring the s&c coach from Iowa they could’ve stopped that hire. And he was suspended multiple times 😂 did he lose any of his awards or accolades? No. So miss me with the fake outrage lol
I knew Cushing from went he was a kid back in HS. Kid was sauced to gills from way back when. Not even an open secret....everyone knew
It’s incredibly naive to look at guys like Khalil Mack or Myles Garrett and say yeah he’s 100% natty. Everyone’s on steroids.
💯
Aaron Donald
Not true
@@twodogs5395 yep. It’s pretty obvious
Not true. I’ve used every steroid and played football through college. In college you see dudes from all over that are 35 year old GODS yet actually 20 & didn’t even know what pre-workout was. One of our guys was 6’6” 295 with an 8 pack & is in the NFL right now. He didn’t even know what protein was. I can assure you by looking at Khalil Mack, he is 100% natural.
Until you get to the level of seeing human being of which you can’t even fathom the size of, because it’s impossible until you’re surrounded by them recruited all over the world, then you ‘literally’ have no idea what you’re talking about to make such a “100% sure” claim/statement on someone’s name. Just cause you’re small. And the people where you live are. Trust me. These black dudes were bigger than the Rock & Brock Lesnar combined with veins & 8 packs over 250lbs & didn’t even have money to eat food, let alone buy steroids. It’s genetics. & that’s why they’re the best in the world. Size matters. So if you’re small, just hang it up now, cause you’re already intimated by people like Khalil Mack. Who is BIG but trust me, there’s BIGGER. Lots who never make it and go back to their tiny little poor ridden areas in Florida as soon as the seasons over and just never come back to school randomly. And you’ll never see em again. and they’re Khalil Mack x2. Just didn’t get the roll of the dice with luck & money & grades in college so they bounce & go live on Ramen Noodles the rest of their lives and smoke weed. Trust me. I was one of them.
As a sports fan, I learned all about PED’s by following professional cycling before, during, and after the Lance Era. As such, I will never fully trust what any individual athlete might say regarding their potential use. Professional sports, sadly, is full of athletes who will cheat and lie to gain a competitive edge and/or stay in the game longer than they should.
Lance was a whole different animal. The dude would have his blood replaced with clean oxygen enriched blood before races, and have his blood drained and sent through some kind of machine that enriched it with the optimum amount of oxygen and nutrients between legs of the Tour de France. I doubt anyone will ever take cheating to the extreme he did. To his credit tho, during his era you had to go to the #19 cyclist in the world to find someone who never tested positive for banned substances.
The absolute dirtiest sport ever is cycling, the extremes these guys go to is unbelievable.
@@derekv8534 That's actually not against the rules...it's not adding anything or taking a drug. You just described Platelet Rich Plasma treatment. The problem with Lance was he used EPO to help his body convey oxygen to muscles in higher doses and was using a steroid, one of the "androlone" types but I forget which to be exact.
@@derekv8534 Blood doping, Soviets and Soviet sattelite nations did that in the 1970's and 1980's. Tour De France winners over the years too who get protected because they are European.
Everyone is on PEDs let’s end this charade!🤣
They should be 🤷🏿♂️ Talent + Genetics + PEDs = amazing product
who wouldn’t want to extend their career and make more money? how naive must one be to think most if not all athletes are on something
A lot of NFL players do use HGH. It doesn't work miracles, but it does aid in injury recovery, improved body composition, and some performance enhancement, but not as much as you would think. The real value is the recovery aspect of it, which would be beneficial to a professional athlete.
Also can make ur bones thicker
If I was in the nfl that sounds very appealing to me
Quicker recovery is a "performance enhancement".
My friend did HGH for a few years. Went from a skinny guy to a thick denfensive end looking guy with denser bones. Gains are permanent too since he stopped for years and has lost any gains
Hasn’t lost gains*
It’s pretty much been known that AP was on it after tearing his acl and coming back like 7 months later and breaking records. I remember when acl tears had you out a year and a half and you were never the same.
AP?
@@Harry_Paratesties no AD. All Day was his nickname not AP.
@@Harry_Paratesties YOU FRICKING NERD GET IT RIGHT B4 U SPEAK
@@joseperales2381 AD was his nickname briefly after college...but it very quickly went back to AP because a casual fan can make the connection that AP = Adrian Peterson. It's why Tyrann Mathieu is now mostly referred by name rather than The Honey Badger like he was coming out of College. The NFL cares not about the die hards, they care about the casual fan. The die hards will watch and spend regardless, the casual has to be brought in...and the easiest way to turn off a casual is by having "in jokes" that they have no frame of reference for.
Aaron Donald never tore his ACL
You will never convince me otherwise that Peyton didn't use it after the neck injury 😂
Didn’t help him that much. He couldn’t throw the ball 15 yards with the Broncos
@@TheDimeFanatic right. A mvp. 5k yards amd 55tds
@@CesarPerez-it8xy from being able to read defenses like a pop up book. Dude wasn’t slinging
Look at his forehead 🤣🤣🤣
@@TheDimeFanatic you're referring to his last year. After surgery he could definitely throw. Look up videos. His throws to Thomas bothers
Let players take everything. HGH, Venom, Super Soldier serum; I want to see a real life Mutant League Football.
I’d rather see a worldwide league.
Let’s call it MILF:
Mutant International Football League
@@NateBee *Mutant International League of Football
Classic moron take
Mutant League Football, and Mutant League Hockey.... were great. Blowing up the goalie, bribing the ref, etc. Ahead of its time.
It would do well too lol.
that is true,
players are coming back from injury crazy fast. and dont lose a step
It’s naive to think someone like Dk is natural
It’s not tho
Because he is natural
@@chokeeartist so what would he look like if he wasn't. Muscles are hard as a rock, full as a house, and lean as hell, with being able to perform at such a high level. Why is it so hard to believe he's enhanced when they all take pain killers like m&ms and have resources to get whatever they want, and are let known in advance when they are getting tested.
@@erickvelasquez6410 U could speculate but u guys speak like it’s absolutely fact that these dudes are on substances but these guys are special cases but they definitely could be using
@@Nazim909 I’ve seen some videos of DK and it shows how he looked as a senior in high school vs freshman in college and he gained a surprising amount of muscle. A channel called moreplatesmoredates did a video on him and I thought it was pretty interesting.
Even now it’s ridiculous difficult to test for GH. Most commonly you have to look at IGF scores which have a massive range, from 100-500. You can test blood serum GH. But even then, you can only identify elevated serum levels like 3 hrs post injection. So dudes who are ON GH, you’d never tell unless they had juuust injected.
Hgh is such a hard drug to test for because it’s a genetic match to the hgh produced endogenously the only accurate way would be to have a drug passport that’s updated every couple months but the logistics of doing that for every nfl player would be crazy
@@twodogs5395 NIL deals pay for it.
a blood test can check for elevated IGF levels but one would need to administer 24 hours or less before blood test to be caught
They test igf levels.
@@twodogs5395 They could get HGH from their colleges, or what about players who grew up wealthy enough to take it?
@@twodogs5395 a lot of athletes in college are on HGH
Tom Brady can play at 44 yrs old by just eating chicken breast, broccoli, salmon & avocado ice cream? Yeah right
And he doesnt get pounded on like past generations
Well Brady’s game doesn’t rely on athleticism like josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes. He reads defences better than anyone and knows where he is putting the ball before the snap. He has the quickest release in the nfl because he knows where he’s throwing it before the snap that’s why he is so hard to sack. But looking at his body and his actual athleticism doesn’t show any signs of steroids. I mean I can’t believe you picked Brady over players like Donald and JJ watt lol.
@@MrOasis316 Bruh I saw the man throw in person pre game twice in 2020 and 2021. He got a way stronger Arm than Dak Prescott. A stronger arm based on velocity than even Matt Stafford at 45. He is on heavy HGH. There is no other way. You saw how Peyton Manning looked by 38. He couldn't throw 15 yds vs Carolina in the SB. The QB position still requires twich and movement and Brady got it mostly the exact same as when he was 26. He on HGH bruh. Everybody is.
@@twodogs5395 Philip Rivers couldn't throw 30. Drew Brees couldn't throw 35 at the end. There are plenty of examples. Brady can throw it 70 effortless. Effortless. Thats impossible at 45. Go believe Fairy tales.
@@erikpuka2627 bud…if he was on heavy hgh, his facial structure would be changed, and trust me you can tell. Look at stallone or the rock over the past 20yrs. Before you speak bs, know some facts. And the adverse effects of high gh are NOT condusive for performance. Fuckin guy wouldnt even feel the ball
Staying healthy plays as big a part in succeeding in the NFL as performing on the field. Some player’s bodies can naturally hold up through a career but there are many injury prone players who have likely used HGH to recover faster and protect their career from injury.
This is true, but HGH should still be considered a steroid even though it is not necessarily anabolic
@@theonecolt7835 It is crazy anabolic! Why do you think it isn’t?
Anecdotally, i had a friend that i knew from elementary school the entire way through high school that was a very skinny guy, an ectomorph, a hard-gainer if you will. He played football in HS and then in college and eventually made it to the NFL and played on the raiders practice squad. By the time he graduated college the amount of pure size this kid had put on was insane. And he did it in the span of 2 years during the last years of his college. He was not genetically predisposed to it either. There are unspoken programs in the NCAA and NFL for PEDs. Certainly.
You dont think 2 years in a football program is enough time to drastically change your size without drugs? 2 years is a ton of time to put on some serious muscle
@@rickybobby9885if you gain a significant amount of muscle in a short 2-year timeframe, you are almost certainly on some sort of substance. Odds are this man has trained since the early years of high school if he played football back then, so putting on a large amount of muscle out of nowhere in such a short period of time is definitely quite suspicious
Does anyone know why some players have mouth tics/twitches the entire game like Cooper Kupp, Dak Prescott & Ezekiel Elliot? Are they geeked on adderall or just smelling salts, etc? Every time I watch these guys play & the camera is on them, they have facial tics & twitches the whole game.
Yeah that’s from stims
U make no sense lol
@@chokeeartist watch a game & pay attention & maybe you’ll notice these things chief.
Jaw twitching is a well known side effect of stims whether it’s Rec drugs or amphetamines like adderall
Belichick's son is the most geeked up of all of them.
I am 100% serious when I say, where can I get it???? Lol
You think Tom Brady has gotten this far from avocado ice cream? Nah man... 😂
That's a bingo
He’s got a natural viagra at home.
I used steroids in my mid 20's .
I did it in a responsible safe manner.
Cycle on , two months off cycle on two months off.
I was 175 lbs stuck at this weighr for years .
I ate right , I was at the gym every single day even before using.
My first cycle I legit gained 10 lbs .
You feel so dam lm great man.
Body feels good you heal so fast.
Done safely I would rather see guys on steroids recover from injuries that on pain medicine
The issue is doing it safely. I’m in my 20’s and a close friend just went to the hospital because of heart palpitations from steroids. It can be dangerous
@@lb1181 that wasnt steroids bud..was probally the preworkout and fuckin energy drinks he was pumpin
If you are stuck, you arent eating enough
Done safely is the key phrase.
@@quix99 he doesn’t use preworkout and doesn’t drink energy drinks often. He uses test, tren, and a few other compounds. Definitely from the steroids
I love these type of videos
As someone with a master's degree in biology with an understanding of the physiology of the endocrine system, it is pretty easy to test for in professional sports. First, get a baseline when they enter the league. Any abnormalities afterward will show a clear sign of supplementation. You do not need to create a universal baseline; simply test for it later on in their careers. He is clearly injecting it if the dude is damn near 40 and has higher IGF1 levels in his venous blood sample than his entry into the league when he is 22.
Ok but what if they start way earlier, say high school or college for example? If HGH is widespread in the NFL it will be at that level too
UFC tried to do that with USADA & the biological passport. But USADA is effectively in the UFC’s pocket & they don’t like losing main event fights that are needed to sell PPV, so hardly anyone gets caught.
Because the NFL uses the NCAA as a farm system, they’d somehow have to get that behemoth to universally agree to test for HGH. It’s probably honestly the cost of doing that business stopping it.
The problem is, your hormone levels change over time. Your body produces more when it needs it. You can't make a baseline off of one test, you'd have to test the player for their first couple of years to get a baseline. A baseline is a RANGE, not an individual number.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 you can, professional cycling has adobe it for like 10 years now
I love Pat saying players would use it after retirement then list a bunch of things that would help playing sports. Everyone's on steroids in all sports.
HGH I'd ubiquitous in sports. It isn't even new, this has been happening for two decades now. It is the fountain of youth.
2?? Since the 80’s!!
@@quix99 exactly
Myles Garrett went sleeveless 2 times this year. 1st time random drug test, 2nd time random blood test... he went back to wearing sleeves. Dudes a freak
College football GA brought up HGH to me, hit all the selling points, and I remember to this day the look on his face when I said “yeah it also makes your heart bigger”. He probably did some reflection after that
The NFL doesn’t want players to stop using HGH. They’d rather them recover faster and be on the field more, that’s what makes the league money.
What they would need to do is get a baseline for all the players for HGH and compare to that baseline. If there is a wild spike, that's a positive test.
HGH maybe not. EPO, deffffinitely
Chiropractor....GONE, Spiritual person....GONE....🤣
I think if you have a Thursday game you should be able to get a medically supervised hgh shot after your Sunday game. Repair time is important and those few days isn't good enough
These topics are why I watch Pat McAfee
I'm 2 years shy of 60 and my body feels like s***. All from playing football in my younger years where do I get that I'm doing some research.
Look up hormone replacement clinics in your area. Really easy but really expensive, really expensive.
@@mxbass1036real hgh is about 1k a month
I would not be surprised if half the performance enhancing stuff that was taken in the 80, 90, and 00 is now called pre-workout drink.
Niacin l leucine and creatine aren’t peds dude
Didn't Pat say La'Ron Landry the safety tried to move to DE 1 year👀👀👀👀👀👀
Nah, Brady just naturally doesn't age 🤡
Brady probably isn’t the best example since he’s not a physical specimen. He’s never been fast or strong. All he needs to do is make fast decisions and throw the ball. It’s not like he ever gets tackled either.
nice job boys of the roll u guys played on the pod’s , when u know u know ✌️
So basically LeBrons been taking hgh his entire career.
How much money involved in something directly relates to how far people are willing to bend and break the rules. I got zero blame for anyone using. It's their bodies they're risking, the choice should be their own.
Pat felt some type of way about that kicker comment
The whole league is taking something
If a non athlete is prescribed hgh they can use it, except for athletes.
I suspect it’s very common in Tom Brady.
GH is awesome but doesn't do most of those things. However, yes if you are an athlete of means you should consider TRT if your body is deficient, and GH. Both will make you all around feel better.
Just remember the word "growth" it will grow everthing,tissues,feet,hands,heads,and if one abuses it,it can cause growth to the heart.
Wouldn't you just use the players own levels as the base line? Then if some ones dramatically increases pop?
That’s assuming the player is natural at time of testing for baseline. There would be zero way to stop people from showing up to baseline test super juicy
Trust me 99% of players take something
Seem to remember a HOF qb that used to play for a team with a blue horseshoe on a white helmet that was involved in an HGH scandal…played in the 90’s and 2000’s…drawing a blank on his name
Who also has a Barry Bonds size head when his dad and brother doesn’t…🤔😂
Cmon, we all know AJ's biggest jawline in the league is 100% natty.
Joe Swainson from Family Guy
“Makes everything on your body bigger”😅✍️✍️✍️
For example, Gronk has been on HGH and off season Stem Cell programs since he came in the league. Let’s be real here.
Look at DK … look at Aaron Rodger’s after his acl tear… look at JJ watt… look at these guys there’s no way there getting faster and faster and faster
Tony Mandarich was a guest on Theo Von podcast. It was very interesting. Goes into all the roids and pain killers. I suggest watching
HGH was a common to joke when I played in college back in 2006 but you always had your suspicions of certain guys.
Such a biased topic to discuss as if pat and Aj are going to admit to it
Brian Bosworth was the first to get busted for steroids in football for me back in the 80's.
Can't go after the punter? ....so does that mean the punter can't go tackle?
Then why are they on the field?
Clay Matthews dropped off when they started testing for HGH.
Nah, it was after the Al Jazeera report before the 2016 season that him, Peppers, Harrison, Manning, and others were using. Matthews, Peppers, and Harrison "cleared their names" by doing the Jon Jones and giving the League Information.
IF YOUR NOT SCARED THEN BRING MORE PLATES ON THE SHOW
Pat is being naive or just lying. He knows guys are juicing in every locker room
do they think we are stupid? of course hgh and peds have been used for decades. while socitey has moved on and is more accepting of peds, the leaugees still contiure to act like they dont know whats going on
Anyone who knows anything about HGH, It really isn't that "Performance enhancing". Incredible for recovery and anti aging, which they should be allowed to use. Why wouldn't you Want your athletes to recover from their injuries and surgeries faster?
"it isn't performance enhancing"
"Incredible for recovery and anti aging"
You realize a huge part of being able to perform is being recovered and the majority cause for performance drop off is due to...aging?
@@justinlast2lastharder749 Yes, I figured that was obvious and someone wouldn't need to waste time to comment that, especially since it was implied on my original post. Clearly I was stating HGH is not going to turn someone into a super athlete which is what clueless people think.
No, what you did is think you posted something incredibly insightful and are bitter someone pointed out the fallacy in your argument. Enjoy.
It also makes your heart bigger
Also enlarges internal organs and raises blood sugar to a pre-diabetic state.
The baseline is james Harrison and Larry Allen
Has a 24-36 hour detection time, of course most professional athletes are using
One of the more interesting segments. Did a little research about hgh and this physician that goes by dr. Life (not even kidding about his name) was like 73 yes old in peak shape, when he was advocating for hgh. His physic was Insane. I don’t kno how I never hered of it this happening, its over 10yrs ago. The crazy thing. The guy is still living according to google and is 83yrs old. I wanna kno if his still taking hgh. Get him on the show ASAP
Well that explains how linebackerS have necks the side of Finland
if your hgh spikes from test to test they can get ya
they can test when they're rookies and see how it changes every 2 years. above their personal baseline
What pro trainer would suggest an NFL player take growth. Theres a myriad of performance enhancing anabolics, why would they take a synthetic hormone meant for body builders.
Mandaric had to clean up in the NFL and hit recreational drugs and bombed then cleaned up and became a grown-up by the time they got to the Colts.
What I don't understand is why if you are injured you can't take steroid and high under doctors supervision to help in healing. Surgery isn't natural either they allow that.
This is the best sports podcast 👏👏👏
Of All time.
Millions of dollars are on the line and players are bigger and faster now than ever before. Of course They’re blasting lol.
More plates more dates. Gotta get him on the show
Short answer: yes
Long answer: yes, for sure
There not gonna say they used steroids because they also used them as a ex NFL player who played 4 years on a practice squad from 2015 to 2018 I'll tell you 70 percent of my teammates were using them if not more I played for the rams and the browns
Why is this even a question
Guys in highschool talked about steroids, oh course they do in the pros.
David Boston was definitely Natty
Gotta be more concerned about the long term effects of the pain killed injections
Cushing was one of my favorites until I got older and realized he was a juicer. Still a monster tho idgaf
Ya I think its debatably worse now at the college and high school levels I know from personal experience at least 50% of my team was doing it lol very very easy to get now and tons of knowledge on how to use properly
I think TRT is common because its legal now adays
Cough “Clay Matthews” cough cough
Of course it is
These guys are taking everything they can to get a competitive advantage and anybody that says different is naive. They've already sacrificed their body for the game, they already shortened their lifespan and quality of life, at that point why wouldn't you do what you needed to do to be the best you can be while playing?
It should be! Excellent for recovery
Clay Matthew's ... but I would do it too...he's just worth the investment.