You can also interpret them as: 1) yearning / inspiration/ longing / calling 2) intoxication / obsession / passion / fire 3) elation / ascendance / arousal / transfiguration 4) peak experience / catharsis / orgasm / final transformation Btw, initially his Le Poème de l'extase was called Poème orgiaque.
Mmm yes that all seems to resonate intuitively! Except your descriptions for #4 more so fit his climaxes, whereas the dances are sometimes just quick and energetic rather than being fully climactic.
The Summons of the main theme of S8 (m.21 and on) - two notes upward. (Actually how cool is that in the Flammes Sombres the two notes are 'summoning' downward!)...
That is a neat observation! Theme 2 of sonata 8 can definitely be thought of as a fanfare motif, and there does seem to be a trend of evil melodies moving down and holy melodies moving up (like with the flight motif examples)! I never noticed the directional movement of fanfare motifs so thanks for sharing!
Thank you so much for making this video, it helps a lot to understand Scriabin’s music, I wish I had discovered that academic paper before. For the example in sonata 9 for the fanfare motif, don’t you think it is derived from the pure motif? And therefore implies the pure protagonist being born from its oxymoronic atmosphere
Glad you find it insightful! You’re right that sonata 9’s fanfare motif sounds like theme 2 in that they both start with a half step, but I don’t think that’s enough to say they’re related. A lot of Scriabin’s motifs start with a half step and I think theme 2 is first introduced later on as is common in sonata form. It’s cool to look for these connections though! Cheers!
You can also interpret them as:
1) yearning / inspiration/ longing / calling
2) intoxication / obsession / passion / fire
3) elation / ascendance / arousal / transfiguration
4) peak experience / catharsis / orgasm / final transformation
Btw, initially his Le Poème de l'extase was called Poème orgiaque.
Mmm yes that all seems to resonate intuitively! Except your descriptions for #4 more so fit his climaxes, whereas the dances are sometimes just quick and energetic rather than being fully climactic.
you are a genius, people are lucky to have access to these insights for free on youtube.
Thank you! So glad you appreciate these videos!
The Summons of the main theme of S8 (m.21 and on) - two notes upward. (Actually how cool is that in the Flammes Sombres the two notes are 'summoning' downward!)...
That is a neat observation! Theme 2 of sonata 8 can definitely be thought of as a fanfare motif, and there does seem to be a trend of evil melodies moving down and holy melodies moving up (like with the flight motif examples)!
I never noticed the directional movement of fanfare motifs so thanks for sharing!
Thank you so much for making this video, it helps a lot to understand Scriabin’s music, I wish I had discovered that academic paper before.
For the example in sonata 9 for the fanfare motif, don’t you think it is derived from the pure motif? And therefore implies the pure protagonist being born from its oxymoronic atmosphere
Glad you find it insightful!
You’re right that sonata 9’s fanfare motif sounds like theme 2 in that they both start with a half step, but I don’t think that’s enough to say they’re related. A lot of Scriabin’s motifs start with a half step and I think theme 2 is first introduced later on as is common in sonata form.
It’s cool to look for these connections though! Cheers!
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🎉 I’ve been exited to share these ideas for a while!
Bro kinda looks like Scriabin