Roswell Fire Department Try Experimental Schedule To Fight Systemic Sleep Deprivation Issues
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มิ.ย. 2024
- Roswell fire department first in the nation to adopt experimental 48/96 work schedule with an 11am start time. Officials hope the change can improve quality of life for service men and women.
Why not do what is really better for the firefighters and adopt a 24/72 schedule, which is a 42 hour work week like the majority of the countries workforce?
My old department was on a 24/72 schedule. It was pretty good but still had issues. Shift work just breaks you down, period.
So believe it or not, there is a schedule that allows for that. Its called the Kelly Schedule or California Roll. Its a 9-day cycle that goes like this: on 24/off 24/on 24/off 24/on 24/off 96. Reduces the 56 hr week to 42 hrs and every 3rd week you get a Kelly Day, which is an extra day off. There are several fire departments that use it, most notably Detroit Fire Department in Detroit, Michigan.
3 shifts vs 4 shifts. It’s cheaper for the city to have 3 shifts then 4
I’ve worked 10s 12s 14s 24s and 48s. There’s no perfect solution. Depends a lot on number of runs. If you’re going run to run for 48 hours and only catching an hour of sleep here and there it becomes a safety issue. I think the best was 12s. It was an 84hr work period and you got a 4 day weekend every other week and you could get 7 days off with 12hrs of vacation if you did it right.
My dept did 10's & 14's, we switched to 24/48/24/96 (1 on 2 off 1 on 4 off) Much better, I'm better rested, I don't work full weekends and I get more mileage out of my vacation and personal days but make no mistake...I look forward to retiring and getting normal sleep again.
Literally 48/96 is the best shift I've ever worked.
Working 48 straight hours will help manage fatigue?
EMT here. I much prefer 48's, and even 72 hour shifts. Being able to stay at the station for a continuous period of time, sleep in, and be done with it for the week is incredibly nice. If you're at a super busy station it sucks, but it's amazing at a slow station
@@Tommymad1yea exactly. Slow stations will love it not fun for everyone else
It's better I promise.
This is not a new thing. Most do 48/96 shifts especially in WA/ID area
In philly we do 4 on 4 off, two 12 hr day shifts two 12 hr nights shifts…..the 4 off… 8 to 8 but we are allowed to operate n do 10s n 14s
As a career firefighter for over 25 years I agree but 48 hrs is not a good answer either in my opinion. I think every 5 days off is a good way to help.
I work a 48/96 and I am currently on a 96 hour shift and will go home tomorrow for 72 hours. I have worked 24/48and I have also worked Kelly schedule and 48/96 is the best as it allows for me to commute.
Chicago fire department paramedics work a 24/72 schedule one day on following three days off I heard great things about this schedule. 48/96 maybe if I’m single being away from my family for two days makes me wonder.
Most guys I know that work it that worked 2448 before changing said they love 4896 much more family time
48/96 becomes a big problem for busy houses. What happens when you only get an hour or 2 of sleep on the 1st 24 hours? Now you're rolling into another 24 hours with barely any sleep, which is a major safety issue for the driver and firefighters. Will admin let you sleep in on your 2nd 24 hour shift? I doubt it. Imo and from many studies, the 24/72 schedule is best for firefighters health. Any schedule with a hell week (24on/24off) is also trash for your health, which is what my dept works (Richmond schedule).
That might work, I would have liked to try it !!!!
48/96 is amazing pick up OT and a 72/72 is nice too. Where it sucks is when you get forced in the middle of your 4 days off. Especially if you don’t live close.
Boston used to have a great schedule
1st Day 8 to 5
2nd day 5 PM to 8 AM
3rd day 8 to 5
4th day 5 PM to 8 AM
Off three then it repeats
No offense but this has been effectively going on in some departments for a while now that allow employees to switch working days. A decade ago or longer there was a guy who flew in from his home in the Caribbean ro work several days straight and then go home for a couple weeks. And a guy who was a battalion chief who lived 300+ miles away - same thing swap some days, work several days straight and then be home for a couple weeks.
That said it is always nice when a department is willing to try to improve working conditions and health issues for members.
Conehead idea for a Conehead Dept!😅
24 on 72 off is more traditional.
And?
In germany most Departments use 24/48 (7:00-7:00)
SoCal staffing here would be a 96/48…….. 48/on48/forced or Mando then your 48/off
So now they get to go on calls for 48-hrs and be up for that amount of time?? 1=1+3 right??
Well you typically aren't up the entire time, you often have down time between calls. One station I worked at we totaled about 5,000 calls per year on the Engine, or an average of roughly 14 runs per 24 hour shift. You may do 4-5 calls in a row and then be down for hours, during which time you catch some sleep, do station chores, train, etc. Some days you may make a run then get back and crash for an hour or to until you get toned out again, that may go on all day/night. Which is why the busiest stations typically get the young guys who can stay safe and productive working like that.
As get get on in their career they start putting in for the slower stations that might only make 5-6 runs in 24 hours. And for the really lucky ones you might get a station that make only 1-2 runs per day, those are for the guys running out the clock to retirement. You also have to remember that many FD's today are running medical calls with their Engines & Trucks as well, which are far easier than working a structure fire and shorter as well.
@virgilhilts3924 I worked 25/48s for 34 years, and it was fine
Now going to 48hrs on only tells me that the last 24 is going to be a very long 24. They could be up for 48 hours under this schedule, not very likely, but possible.
@@thenussbaum44
The 48/96 is one of the most common schedules in the fire service and has been working perfectly fine.
@@virgilhilts3924 How many do the 24/48 vs the 48/96 in this country?
You don't understand that ffs aren't awake for 48 hours straight? Lol, my god
48 96 is BS. you end up working more days straight due to overtime. i hated it.
Roswell is not the first in GA to start it!
A fire chief that has only ever ran medical calls…
Um how many fire departments only run fires nowadays?
Like the majority of paid suburban fire depts....
I was doing 48/96 back in the 80's, nothing new about it
Being there longer isn't going to change anything. They never should have gone away from the 10-10-14-14 schedule.
Haralson County Georgia Fire Department started the 48/96 shift in January so where they got their info on Roswell being the first is typical false news🤣
Hey Buttons, thanks for keeping me honest. The folks at Roswell FD told us they were the first station in Georgia to adopt the 48/96 schedule for all full time service men and women. On the Haralson County Website it says that the Battalion Chief operates on a 48/96, but does not clarify on the rest of service personnel. Never intend to spread “fake news”. Always looking to deliver timely and digestible coverage.
@@BishopArthurMarshall EVERY fire dept will tell you they "were the first to do X". When pushed for details there will be none and it ends ups being an ego thing.
Well just stop stealing other union jobs on your 2 days off😂😂😂😂😂