Bro, just discover you today and I already want to say thank you for your work man its actually entertaining rather than browsing and going through comments on amazon just to figure out what midrange speakers that I can match with my P3 subwoofer. Anyways, that beat you keep playing now stuck on head, good shit bro and keep up the great work
dude. your channel is starting to get pro. Making great improvements. Like the vids. keep up with the new equipment. Can we see more Eminence, Dayton Audio, Tang Band, etc.
Hey Mike, I finally got my hands on 3 sets of the Orion HCCA 654NHP series, and HOLY S#%T this are super loud and clear. These have the 2” voice coil. They have a very linear sound. So the ones your testing on this video is the HCCA 654N I believe has the 1.5” voice coil. I love these Orion’s. Thanks again for all the videos your putting out. Really helped me choose the speakers without wasting money 🤘🏻
croslowj I found them on FB market. Some guy bought them, never used them and decided to sell them. I got lucky, bc I’ve been looking for 3 months. I even called Orion and they said their stuff was on backorder and they are getting pissed bc nothing high end is coming in.
So After Testing a Bunch Of Mid Speakers. Which one you think is the best when it comes to Very Clear Vocals even at very high Volume, because i know there are some that even at Mid Volume or Over that, they sound very raspy and alot of Distortion.
Orion’s sounded like they had a fuller range. The DS18’s sounded good though. I would probably go with the Orion’s strictly because of the superior low range. I like the brightness of the highs. Looking forward to the Orion NHP’s and the new Deaf Bonce Apocalypse AP-M67AN
Orion HCCA654N and Orion HCCA654NHP are now discontinued 😢! Could you do a comparison of the midrange DS18 PRO-NEO6R? The PRO-NEO6R are more comparable to the HCCA64N.
Orion is the legend. They created pretty much the best amp ever made back in the 80’s 90’s but they’ve since been bought out. DS18 on the other hand are definitely here to fight for that top spot. The clarity is amazing from midrange and lets you hear parts of the song you wouldn’t hear otherwise. great for full setups with subwoofers.
HONEST OPINION , from a guy new to Orion and DS18 : ORION Sounds so much BETTER , Clean in every way , best midrange speakers on the market. DS18 in the other hand sounds great too , just not as clear as Orion. Español : ORION ES MEJOR AMIGO.
For someone who is new to these brands you sure are pretty convinced that Orion is the best on the market. How would you know that if you’re new to the brand?
I also own a pair of both Orion and DS-18 , it is hard to tell the difference, I think the Orion’s are louder and a little cleaner at high volume, over 100 watts , but they both like high crossover frequencies, for being 8 inch midbasses, about 150hz@12db per octave 100hz@24db per octave , if you’re running more than 150 watts increase the crossover more , then you only have to worry about thermal overload
yo tengo una honda pilot 2016 cual de los parlantes 6 1/2 salio mejor evaluado al final sonido costo y que quede en las puertas me podes decir estoy buscando cambiar tengo un amp kicker de de cuatro canales cxa 300.4
@@LIFEINSPEED the sound quality is about the same? I have room to space out in the back. Thanks for all the videos man! Helped me decide on almost my whole system
Loved the setup more to the point then other ones and since less pauses between switching speakers easier to hear difference Orion sounded great ds 18 was louder but sounded distorted at times
Like alot of the speakers tested on here, you can tune these to sound great with a crossover, with bandpass filtering capability. The real test is longevity, and power handling . When you use these as a full range with no tweeter, the highs arent as loud as the mids , unless you have them pointed straight at your head. What im saying is the off axis response in the 5khz and up range is 3 to 10 db less , depending on the angle and the frequency. 6.5 inch and up speaker cones are not able to disperse upper frequencies as wide as the mid and low frequencies. Thats why tweeters have a small cone .
Ds18 plays loud, but is very bright for a midrange which is a turnoff. Lacks any punch to it and just plays bright and loud. Personally, I want fuller sound from a mid, don't want it to sound like a tweeter. I'll take the Orion.
It’s all about the setup. Ds18 midrange pro calls for subwoofers in the trunk but can take more bass if tuned correctly. About to try exl 600 watt version next. I’ve heard in person and these videos are great but you just can’t do any justice to a speaker over videos. TH-cam comments have been the only place i see people wanting more bass from midrange. They should have a little bump but shouldn’t be shaking side mirrors and rearview. In the case of un-tuned speakers if you’re going the Orion route you might wanna add an 8” sub or FULL range speakers of the same size and take a little bass off the deck if not looking into heavy hitting subs.
@@edgarguel1472 I'm just getting back into car audio, these type of speakers didn't exist back in the 90's and I've never heard of them till now. But thanx for your comment and I did say I'm more a SQ more, not fully a SQ person if you read my comment....
Sq wise the DS18 is actually the better speaker and brand. I've tested them first hand & they beat most of the competition hands down ESPECIALLY at "bang for buck"!
@@armonnykelley1838 - gotta disagree. Heard ds18 in multiple setups. They are more of a spl then sq. They get loud for sure, but lacks the sq when they really start getting power.
Bought these orions after watching the video, sound good but definently need a tweeter for complete sound. Unfortunately one was crackling:((( ,bad experience bro. Sent them back today.
So, the DS18 has the same basket as the Recoil RPM265. The Recoil has a bigger magnet, though. But the problem I had was the basket! I had to grind those big hooks close to the magnet to be more flat like the Orion. They will not fit in any Honda. Heads up to anyone buying the DS18 or the Recoil brand. The Recoil sounds great, though.
You are using the full range neo. It has a different frequency response than the mid range. The Pro-Neo6 has a frequency response of 124Hz - 9.7KHz. The full range Neo is 151-12.5KHz.
It's not a fullrange tho, just a widerange mid.....a fullrange speaker goes from under 90hz to 20khz or above......it's nowhere near a fullrange speaker
I'm currently using Orion CM65 Cobalt midrange and I want something that can handle a bit lower frequency's. Right now they distort at high volumes with my crossover at 100hz so i set it at 120hz and then they are OK, do you think these HCCA64N are significantly better than the Cobalt CM65? I have enough power to push either one on my amp, and they are in a system with a set of tweeters and a subwoofer. The subwoofer is in the trunk though and I just want some more bass punch up front... What do you think from testing both of those? Maybe the hcca64n i can tune a bit lower than the CM65 I currently have?
First thing I like to say is thank you Mike second the price of the ds18 has doubled the price of the Orion went up $30 ,,,Orion has their own build house ds18 picks and chooses from whatever Chinese junk they got and put their name on it that's why ds18 has so many different models and types of everything and in another twenty years from now ORION will still be here can you say the same for ds18
@@ThaexakaMavro Sure from places that still have very small stock of Orion. But they did file for Bankruptcy. www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/38329508/MD_Audio_Engineering,_Inc
How much power are you feeding these Orion hcca speakers? Do they really need a minimum of 500 watts? I got a nice 4 channel amp I can bridge but only 200wattsx2 bridged. Will that power these or should i step down to the gtr series orions
Both sound good. The DS18 extends a little higher and a little louder while the Orion plays a little lower. No free lunch. You want a little more bass you give up top end efficiency, simple as that. People saying the DS18 doesn't sound as clean haven't heard it in real life. The midrange off it is simply clipping the mic setup that he's using. I'm using 3 x FR6s in my front doors and they are clean as hell.
That's what I was thinking. The mic wasn't capturing the true sound. That's how it captures bass too. The bass be sounding horrible online but in real life it's clean clear and detailed. I might go ds18 neo
Ds18 were great with a subwoofer but once my epicenter burned out it really makes you hear how flat they really are, not saying that they weren't great fucking speakers , paired with a sub godamn your shitting on Srt8 chargers with exhausts cant even hear em xD. But I firmly believe that speakers that good and loud SHOULD have more bass in them even without a sub . I blew them out this week after 1 month of having them, gonna buy em again with a better epicenter , audio control.
Idk what everyone is talking but Ds18 sounds crisp clean you want bass get a subwoofer
Bro, just discover you today and I already want to say thank you for your work man its actually entertaining rather than browsing and going through comments on amazon just to figure out what midrange speakers that I can match with my P3 subwoofer. Anyways, that beat you keep playing now stuck on head, good shit bro and keep up the great work
dude. your channel is starting to get pro. Making great improvements. Like the vids. keep up with the new equipment.
Can we see more Eminence, Dayton Audio, Tang Band, etc.
This is one of my favorite channels to watch right now. Keep up the good work Mike. Thank you for giving an honest opinion.
Love your new setup! You're growing fast, keep it up!👍👍
I asked for the HCCA’s & you delivered!!!! Thanks 🙏🏾
They both sound really damn good but the Orion sounds like it hits deeper mids and also louder
Tough to decide cause they both sound good.. 👍👍
I fine the orion sounding much cleaner at higher volumes
I just put a pair of the ds18 after seeing this video couldn’t be happier for the money what a clear and loud speaker
How about the Bass?
@@vaderproductionz8584 for bass you get subs not mids
@@adrianb7452 not true you also need mid base not just subwoofers
Hey Mike, I finally got my hands on 3 sets of the Orion HCCA 654NHP series, and HOLY S#%T this are super loud and clear. These have the 2” voice coil. They have a very linear sound. So the ones your testing on this video is the HCCA 654N I believe has the 1.5” voice coil. I love these Orion’s. Thanks again for all the videos your putting out. Really helped me choose the speakers without wasting money 🤘🏻
Where did you find them. I been looking and can't find any
croslowj I found them on FB market. Some guy bought them, never used them and decided to sell them. I got lucky, bc I’ve been looking for 3 months. I even called Orion and they said their stuff was on backorder and they are getting pissed bc nothing high end is coming in.
@@jasonneal thank you for letting me know. I really appreciate it.
So many positive comments on your channel bro Good job keep it up,
always enjoying your videos!
Been waiting all day Mikey.
So After Testing a Bunch Of Mid Speakers. Which one you think is the best when it comes to Very Clear Vocals even at very high Volume, because i know there are some that even at Mid Volume or Over that, they sound very raspy and alot of Distortion.
Mike I really appreciate these videos. Thanks for doing them.
Orion’s sounded like they had a fuller range. The DS18’s sounded good though. I would probably go with the Orion’s strictly because of the superior low range. I like the brightness of the highs.
Looking forward to the Orion NHP’s and the new Deaf Bonce Apocalypse AP-M67AN
You can feel those orion's smack you in the face with the midbass
Orion is just killing it.
It would be nice if you can dyno the speaker and found out how many rms putting out.
Best on TH-cam brother
Orion HCCA654N and Orion HCCA654NHP are now discontinued 😢! Could you do a comparison of the midrange DS18 PRO-NEO6R? The PRO-NEO6R are more comparable to the HCCA64N.
Orion is the legend. They created pretty much the best amp ever made back in the 80’s 90’s but they’ve since been bought out. DS18 on the other hand are definitely here to fight for that top spot. The clarity is amazing from midrange and lets you hear parts of the song you wouldn’t hear otherwise. great for full setups with subwoofers.
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do you have a video of ds18 fr6neo vs. deafbonnce arnold? i can't find it!
I wanna see that test too
Both sounded really great. Nice video!
HONEST OPINION ,
from a guy new to Orion and DS18 :
ORION Sounds so much BETTER , Clean in every way , best midrange speakers on the market.
DS18 in the other hand sounds great too , just not as clear as Orion.
Español : ORION ES MEJOR AMIGO.
For someone who is new to these brands you sure are pretty convinced that Orion is the best on the market. How would you know that if you’re new to the brand?
@@bigpapatyr0ne732 everything thing that was tested on this video should answer your question on MIDRANGE SPEAKERS*
I also own a pair of both Orion and DS-18 , it is hard to tell the difference, I think the Orion’s are louder and a little cleaner at high volume, over 100 watts , but they both like high crossover frequencies, for being 8 inch midbasses, about 150hz@12db per octave 100hz@24db per octave , if you’re running more than 150 watts increase the crossover more , then you only have to worry about thermal overload
Why has no one done this before? Great idea. Love the setup.
thanks again for the vids mike
Xtx654 vs hcca64 ? Witch one should I buy ?
Would like to hear different speakers. Just subscribed to your channel great video.
Try the DS18 PRO NEO6R 600W because of its specifications is at another level
Sensitivity is 92 how is this on another level
Im a Ds18 person but orion killed it on this one
Great review and thousands of likes 🎉❤❤❤
Both great 👍👍👍. Thank you Mike 😊
Orion is cleaner, DS18 is good but clarity speaks best for me.
yo tengo una honda pilot 2016 cual de los parlantes 6 1/2 salio mejor evaluado al final sonido costo y que quede en las puertas me podes decir estoy buscando cambiar tengo un amp kicker de de cuatro canales cxa 300.4
You need to do a video on the new set up and your gear! How many watts are you giving the orion?
The ds18 will most likely be louder but the Orion will be more deep with the sound notes.
ds18 is super clear its also shallower making mounting easier and only 2/3 the power to drive. DS18 being paper will sound super crisp
Can't find the xtr pro 6.5 in 4 ohm anywhere, only the 8 ohm option, should I go with the 4 ohm hcca or the xtr pro and run them in parallel?
Dont buy that get neo version easier to install bro so many guys have problem to install that shit magnet is huge
@@LIFEINSPEED the sound quality is about the same? I have room to space out in the back. Thanks for all the videos man! Helped me decide on almost my whole system
@@LIFEINSPEED which one sounds better though the pro or the hcca if install room is not a problem
Xpm654mbf kills the neos easily. I have both of the. Xpm654mbf and xtr654neo
Loved the setup more to the point then other ones and since less pauses between switching speakers easier to hear difference Orion sounded great ds 18 was louder but sounded distorted at times
And not picking on ds18 if turned ds18 may sound same or if raised Orion so as loud as ds18 may be same just needing less or more power.
Prv vs orion 😅
So far my favorite mid range speakers , thanks mike
I just bought all three of these for my Harley. PRV, Orion, ans DS18s! I can't wait to get them installed! 😀👍
@@RydinginStyle72
Got any comparisons to make?
Both sound good. DS18 was a bit louder and the Orion was the cleanest sound of the two.
I would like to hear the Radian Audio 6CRF5130’s
They are 6.5 coaxials with planar ribbons. Nobody ever reviews Radian Audio
Have you ever try the fatal pro
Any test with faital pro?
Can any one tell me what’s the best 10inch midrange mid bass speakers please need to kno what to invest in
D.A.S
What about the 6.5 600watts 4ohms Orion speaker for the car doors is it good?
Yes need good amp with sub
@@LIFEINSPEED taramp 3000 1 channel?
Is skar better then audiopipe?
10:14 what the name of the song your using at that time bro???
Like alot of the speakers tested on here, you can tune these to sound great with a crossover, with bandpass filtering capability. The real test is longevity, and power handling . When you use these as a full range with no tweeter, the highs arent as loud as the mids , unless you have them pointed straight at your head. What im saying is the off axis response in the 5khz and up range is 3 to 10 db less , depending on the angle and the frequency. 6.5 inch and up speaker cones are not able to disperse upper frequencies as wide as the mid and low frequencies. Thats why tweeters have a small cone .
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@@FrankStPeter 😒
Nice setup for switching speakers
Ds18 plays loud, but is very bright for a midrange which is a turnoff. Lacks any punch to it and just plays bright and loud. Personally, I want fuller sound from a mid, don't want it to sound like a tweeter. I'll take the Orion.
Exactly! That why tweeters were invented.
The Orion sounds clearer to me and my girlfriend agrees...
It’s all about the setup. Ds18 midrange pro calls for subwoofers in the trunk but can take more bass if tuned correctly. About to try exl 600 watt version next. I’ve heard in person and these videos are great but you just can’t do any justice to a speaker over videos. TH-cam comments have been the only place i see people wanting more bass from midrange. They should have a little bump but shouldn’t be shaking side mirrors and rearview. In the case of un-tuned speakers if you’re going the Orion route you might wanna add an 8” sub or FULL range speakers of the same size and take a little bass off the deck if not looking into heavy hitting subs.
Please try the ds18 Pro-neo6r thanks always watching your videos
Under higher power, the DS18 breaks up in the highs, like it was designed too high. The Orion is crystal clear even at high power
Hey Mike can you revisit these Orion hcca, against timpano 6.5 neo they look like the ds18 basket
Yep you right ill do soon
@@LIFEINSPEED cool thanks brother
Orion for life
Yup the Orion sounds like the better range of sound to me. At least from what i hear over the the video.
Orion for the win in this one
Try to add the rcf and 18sound
please do some Audiopipe speakers. thank you
Orion for me personally, I'm more a SQ person. They sounded a little clearer. In saying that I'm only using Sennheiser headphones.
Wavey Davey SQ person with open show components...? Really!!!????
@@edgarguel1472 I'm just getting back into car audio, these type of speakers didn't exist back in the 90's and I've never heard of them till now. But thanx for your comment and I did say I'm more a SQ more, not fully a SQ person if you read my comment....
Sq wise the DS18 is actually the better speaker and brand. I've tested them first hand & they beat most of the competition hands down ESPECIALLY at "bang for buck"!
@@armonnykelley1838 - gotta disagree. Heard ds18 in multiple setups. They are more of a spl then sq. They get loud for sure, but lacks the sq when they really start getting power.
Cany wait for u to test with the orion hcca 64NHP. Its d higher model to d hcca 64N
i can't not find some Orion HCCA64N in stock ebay and amazon are backorder :(
Discontinued! 😭
Tell me about it 💔
What app do you use on your phone to adjust the sound
Settings
Hey can you do db drive pro 6.5 midrange speakers vs ds18 pro 6.5 midrange speakers
Obviously Ds18 was louder but Orion was a whole lot cleaner!!! IMO
Please review the wolfram wpa 6.5
Bought these orions after watching the video, sound good but definently need a tweeter for complete sound. Unfortunately one was crackling:((( ,bad experience bro. Sent them back today.
Same happend to me dont recommend setting crossover at 120hz
I bought the Orion HCCA 654NHP series and HOLY F#€K these are seriously loud and super clean
I got the XTR 64N and XTR 1.00tw and they absolutely smoked my MB
Orion for the win
Salute!
I would like to see the Orion play against the 18 sound 6.5
Can you make a video with ds18 pro-fu8.8
I just got the orion m65s an they sound just as good as ds 18s
So, the DS18 has the same basket as the Recoil RPM265. The Recoil has a bigger magnet, though. But the problem I had was the basket! I had to grind those big hooks close to the magnet to be more flat like the Orion. They will not fit in any Honda. Heads up to anyone buying the DS18 or the Recoil brand. The Recoil sounds great, though.
Recoil is a ferrite midbass driver. Not the same animal even though basket is shared.
you couldnt modify the speaker mount instead? or was it bottoming out?
I like the Legos holding up the speakers!
What is some poeerful bass speaker 18
Yo bro do audiopipe vs fital pro I’ve watch all your video and not one audiopipe you played
You are using the full range neo. It has a different frequency response than the mid range. The Pro-Neo6 has a frequency response of 124Hz - 9.7KHz. The full range Neo is 151-12.5KHz.
It's not a fullrange tho, just a widerange mid.....a fullrange speaker goes from under 90hz to 20khz or above......it's nowhere near a fullrange speaker
Bring it on bro
Great Work, I would be great if you put sound track separately to hear. youtube compress sound.
I'm currently using Orion CM65 Cobalt midrange and I want something that can handle a bit lower frequency's. Right now they distort at high volumes with my crossover at 100hz so i set it at 120hz and then they are OK, do you think these HCCA64N are significantly better than the Cobalt CM65? I have enough power to push either one on my amp, and they are in a system with a set of tweeters and a subwoofer. The subwoofer is in the trunk though and I just want some more bass punch up front... What do you think from testing both of those? Maybe the hcca64n i can tune a bit lower than the CM65 I currently have?
Isn't the Cobalt line their entry level? If it is then the HCCAs should sound better plus they can handle more power.
First thing I like to say is thank you Mike second the price of the ds18 has doubled the price of the Orion went up $30 ,,,Orion has their own build house ds18 picks and chooses from whatever Chinese junk they got and put their name on it that's why ds18 has so many different models and types of everything and in another twenty years from now ORION will still be here can you say the same for ds18
The Orion sounded the best in my headphones
Not because own them but the Orion is cleaner by far
Man why can’t you fine Orion Speakers anywhere!! I want some so bad.
They have filed for bankruptcy.
@@popwarhomie you can still buy from them on amazon
@@ThaexakaMavro Sure from places that still have very small stock of Orion. But they did file for Bankruptcy. www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/38329508/MD_Audio_Engineering,_Inc
I just bought a set of the HCCA 64N from the wired Zone $164 they took five days to send them through Amazon
@@FrankStPeter can u post a link bro or send me a DM. Been looking for those for awhile now.
my moneys on orion here
Big fan of Orion since the 90's. Showing my age.😆
@@thehnic734 same here
Orion and Phoenix Gold nothing else compares
Have you broken in any of these speakers? Sometimes it sounds like they are fresh out of the box, and most speakers need time to break in
orian got it bass and the voice sound good on the db18 tho
Amazon has the Orions right now for $109
Ha I literally just bought 2 pairs 1600w last nite 😭😭😂 im gonna fuck my block up 😭😭
@@remainloyaltoyour0wnsoil580 if you tune them to like 200 hz they sound so good and get really loud on just 100 rms
Isidro Sevier my fuckn mans, imma do just that alredy got Rockford Fosgate 1500w subs. Patiently waiting for these 4 bad boys to tear Philly up 💪🏿🦅
Me gustaría saber que bocinas es una de las mejores
Orion son los mejores
How much power are you feeding these Orion hcca speakers? Do they really need a minimum of 500 watts? I got a nice 4 channel amp I can bridge but only 200wattsx2 bridged. Will that power these or should i step down to the gtr series orions
Minimum???
Sorry i could not be here live mike very busy day for me
Orión has a cleaner sound🥵🔥💯💯💯💯
The ds18 is a full range speaker that’s why it’s labeled proneofr6 should’ve compared the ds18 proneo6 for a better comparison
Can you review deafbonce dsp sir
Both sound good. The DS18 extends a little higher and a little louder while the Orion plays a little lower. No free lunch. You want a little more bass you give up top end efficiency, simple as that. People saying the DS18 doesn't sound as clean haven't heard it in real life. The midrange off it is simply clipping the mic setup that he's using. I'm using 3 x FR6s in my front doors and they are clean as hell.
That's what I was thinking. The mic wasn't capturing the true sound. That's how it captures bass too. The bass be sounding horrible online but in real life it's clean clear and detailed. I might go ds18 neo
Ds18 were great with a subwoofer but once my epicenter burned out it really makes you hear how flat they really are, not saying that they weren't great fucking speakers , paired with a sub godamn your shitting on Srt8 chargers with exhausts cant even hear em xD. But I firmly believe that speakers that good and loud SHOULD have more bass in them even without a sub . I blew them out this week after 1 month of having them, gonna buy em again with a better epicenter , audio control.
Lmao. You don’t understand what a midrange speaker is then.
How can I avoid blowing these out? I want them but I want them to be reliable
@@Nathan-fk3ue get the 600 watts neodymium 300 watts rms they louder and more capable of holding the sound together without peaking
And the only reason why anybody knows anything about ds18 is because of how bad they imitated ORION but still got shut down
the ds18 does not sound as balanced as the orion. was hearing too much highs. maybe its just me.
Ds18 lacked the punch factor. Was too bright for a midrange, lost alot on the low end. Not impressed.