I think these motherboards came with a weird bios from factory. I have a B450 tomahawk max 2 which was supposed to have come with the zen 3 bios from factory, put a 5600g in it and kept getting CPU debug light and random shut downs. Turns out it was a weird bios version it shipped with from factory. Updating the bios worked perfectly.
Those boards launched before the zen 3 arrived. The factory support was Zen 2 but that also depends on the time it was manufactured, as it might get the bios updated in the factory, but there are still some without that bios update as they were sitting in storage.
@@Ficii1 yeah, mine was advertised as Ryzen 5000 ready on the box and bought it new from Amazon so I assumed the motherboard was fine but it's definitely a dodgy factory bios
Yeah that is a very weird thing cause I have a 550F board from Asus and my friend has an Asus 450F board and his had this issue yet mine didn't and I have a 5950x and he has a 5800x yet his did this same thing and when I updated the bios for him, it worked and fixed it. So this definitely ain't a normal thing. Hopefully MSI and other manufacturers really make sure this doesn't happen again and are aware of this and hopefully fix this cause this ain't something that should happen straight out of the box like that.
@@georgeshajan7956 Same for me, it was advertised as ready for Ryzen 5000 but the BIOS version it had was not on MSI website either and I had to update the BIOS for the system to boot.
The Zen 3 APUs were released much later than the first set of Zen 3 CPUs, so most likely the board was manufactured after the initial release of Zen 3, but long before the APUs were released. So at the time it supported all available Zen 3 CPUs.
@@afg_uks with an am 4 system there should still be plenty of components on hand to at least troubleshoot even if he has to wait for parts to actually replace the components (graphics cards being the main one to wait for)
Lmao, as a PC builder, a live episode of this will literally span 3-5 hours at the very LEAST (assuming the problem isn't solved by the first or second thing assessed/fixed)
The ''missing'' bios may have been updated via MSI's software in windows. Some times i have seen it having different revisions then the site. I think the ''automatic'' updates are some times different then the ''manual'' ones. And you never should use the windows software (MSI LIVE UPDATE 6) to update bios because its crap. I think that is what happened in this case.
While I'm not sure on this case in video, but yeah...I had this bad experience back on early 2000s on a MSI motherboard in my house because their LIVE UPDATE tool provided a new BIOS update but that turned out a faulty release...install that will brick the board. And then my brother had to take that motherboard to MSI company to replace that fault BIOS...and he found he was not the only one had to replace the BIOS chip(I think the new replaced one was previous version of BIOS on MSI's website) when on there...at least that process was free. (That motherboard was just "one day old" lol) And the next day...they just take out the BIOS update from their site and the LIVE Update server...and never had any new BIOS release for that board to ever released. Yeah, be careful if they uploaded a fault BIOS release...it's rare but it can happens, at least for MSI. :P
@@PlayerLin I cant think of anything else. Greg and other comments said that it may have shipped out from the factory with that bios. But the owned said that it was working after the motherboard replacement. So that cant be the case then. If the bios is incopatible it would have not worked at all. And the the bios date was from may of 2022 and i dont think they are still making B450 boards in 2022. So the only explanation that remains is that the bios was updated after the owner had gotten it and used it for a while. Bios update is a very delicate prosedure and doing it in windows is very risky with any boards. There are so many things that can go wrong with all the windows backround operations and so on. So i think that the owner used the LIVE UPDATE to update everything including the bios. Maybe the bios was already bad or it got corrupted during installation because of windows. Best way to confirm this would be to ask the owner or check if the LIVE UPDATE is installed on the computer at all. I would actualy want to know if i was right or not. But i gues it will remain a mystery.
@@j.p.h.8126 Remember what Greg said: Should not fully trust what owner was told. So yeah it's possible the system was worked but ruined by LIVE UPDATE's faulty BIOS update but if that would be case, then it should be other users that using the same motherboard to report such problems... But yeah I agreed what you said: it'll remain a mystery.
I appreciate that you went ahead and cross-checked the client's Ryzen CPU. I had suspicions and would have been disappointed if this wasn't explored. Solid work!
Gigabyte has released a few BIOS that aren't available online anymore due to security issues or they were test BIOS. I assume Gigabyte isn't the only company that has done that. Unfortunately they never let people know the BIOS is bad. It just disappears from the support pages. It's a bit sad that no one is notified when issue BIOS are released and then deleted.
The only time I don't verify the failure is if they describe something that sounds like a power issue/short. I'd hate to verify and end up doing more damage in doing so. That's about the only time I tear it apart and examine first. Had a system not too long ago that had all sorts of power issues. Loose wires, shorts... and worse yet, the wrong SATA cable for the PSU that was sending 12v into the SSD, which was already dead as a result. And how sad that a supposed computer repair shop missed this. I wonder if they just did the basic crap and didn't see the money in spending a lot of time on it and gave it back. I sure hope they didn't charge them anything.
With the Thumbnail saying " nice try " I was kind of expecting a viewer to lie to you and get free stuff. Not sure why but that's what I was thinking was gonna happen
You're videos helped me lol. A bad ssd sadly had to be replaced but it was causing my vga light to come on and I'd have to restart the pc multiple times for it to post and I tried everything up until I disconnected my sata ssd
This is why I feel it's always good practice to flash the bios on a new board (at least new to you). It's not always guaranteed that it's going to ship automatically with the compatible version for your cpu, so it gets rid of one potential problem
This is what I do with the second-hand computers I sell; I always update the BIOS on the motherboards. I've only "lost" one board (ASrock Z77 Extreme4) due to a failed update; and that's my fault because I should have updated the BIOS in "stages" i.e., go from one, to another, to another until latest version.)
But if the installed BIOS is even more recent than the current stable from the website, you're missing the point. I'd find it odd to have some version installed that isn't publicly available, but as long as it's not a known beta or known to cause issues, I wouldn't flash an older version. Depending on the revision of the board it could even be that the older BIOS isn't really compatible with it.
@@magicalsnek That will never happen because any board you buy would have come out of the factory months ago or even longer. The bios installed on the board will almost always be an older version than the one on the website or if you're incredibly lucky the same version but never a newer one.
@@hazzmati Well obviously there is a BIOS version that was skipped on the website. If it was current at the time of purchase several months but just not released to the public, of course this version could have been preinstalled.
Definitely a lesson to check the BIOS revision when updating it. It's possible It might have come out of the factory like that but I would be inclined to think that the person may have put in a beta bios by accident without checking as it looked like a previous beta bios version.
Definitely came from the factory like that I had to help another guy with this issue with exact same board. But hey as long as you kept your old cpu it's and easy enough fix. Well assuming this happened after a CPU upgrade.
The same thing happened to me with a MSI B550 mobo and modern 5600X, updating to latest stable bios version bricked the system, and downgrading to an earlier bios version fixed it. It sounds like a MSI QC issue
that is the reason why experienced people on computers say, if it works, dont touch. just upgrade bios if is really needed, because new cpu, or problems with memory, etc.
@@TheSjuris the only bios that bricks the boards are the ones you update, if you dont touch if is working will work forever if you don't touch anything on ur pc
@@MrDvneil if that was true then it wouldn’t have gotten bricked, but alas it did happen that way. The chip worked and works fine on other motherboards. Bet there was something faulty with it early since someone had originally sent it back to MSI before me.
My R5 3600 died on me (Never ending IRQL errors...system cannot get into Windows) recently, since the Asus Strix b450-f gaming mobo and the 16G TridentZ setup was working fine, ended up getting a 5600X. Hoping this one will work and doesn't end up the same. PSU Corsair RM650 and RTX3060 (previously GTX1060) 😢
I really don't think it was the BIOS itself that was the issue... I think it was the BIOS flashback button being pinned down by the rear IO shield that prevented this system from posting. It's happened on some of the PC builds I've done before with both MSI and ASUS motherboards
To confirm, that button was not pressed down in its original state. We looked closely at it. The button was recessed inside the I/O plate. Was definitely the BIOS
Those BIOS flashback buttons don't need to be pushed down to be actuated. If the IO shield was pushing it from the side, which it seemed to be doing in the video, the button will stay actuated, preventing a POST. I guess I should have been more clear in my original comment. I believe you though. If you checked and it was indeed the BIOS, then you're probably right. I just thought I'd point out this discrepancy
Imagine how many people have RMA:d a perfecktly good CPU because of this, and also motherboards. This MSI's extremely bad mistake has probably cost users alot of money. Pointlessly.
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I have a i7 10700k and a z490 MSI mobo. I can’t seem to get the white cpu light to go away and my computer won’t post. Every other part including fans turns on, anyone know what’s happening?
Do you work with a videographer? Your filming is on point. Lot of folks don't appreciate that a 15-minute video takes about 3-4 hours of filming. And then sorting audio, video, and picking out 60 seconds' worth of footage from every 5- to 10-minute long clip lol.
My B450 Tomahawk MAX shipped back in 2020 with a beta BIOS installed. Fortunately it never caused me any issues with the 3600X that I originally had in it. I upgraded to a 5800X3D just a few months ago and had to flash the BIOS with a much newer version to get it to work and it's continued to work great ever since. I must have got lucky with MSI's BIOS lottery. I was surprised to see so many different versions on their support page. I just went with the most recent and crossed my fingers and all was well.
Hehe when you said you noticed something in the BIOS and showed the info in it, the first thing that came to my mind was "lol a bios from month 15, that must be broekn". I'm too non-murican for this lol XD
@@ascissordollynamedgwen9409 I wouldn't say they are absolute trash as they can sometimes give users a hint where to look. Sure, they're not always accurate but some help is better than none. Once you've used them enough you can usually gauge whether they are pointing you in the right direction or not. Even if they are only accurate half of the time, that's better than having nothing at all.
Hey Greg. Great eye on catching that BIOS! Similar thing happened to me yesterday. I had a BETA BIOS on my system I believe and when I went to update my BIOS to the latest version, my current version couldn't be found anywhere on AsRock's page. Only difference is that my old BIOS worked for me, at least for my 5950X.
Manufacturers will sometimes pull Bios updates from their website if there was a problem with it. Or if it is was a temporary Beta Bios (i know Evga does this sometimes).
I am from India and your vedio helps me alot in troubleshooting for myself and for my friends love from India and for explaining everything in depth and details for every vedio and every new things learnt about troubleshooting PC.
Greg, There was issues with that missing Bios, 1 issue was it would not work with an RX580 GPU, before this update there was an update of firmware for the RX580. You will find a missing Bios version for almost every, MSI MB it is odd that they did not create a proper CHANGE LOG for these bios to explain this.
I bought a used Ryzen 7 3700x that wouldn't boot. Thought the cpu was bad. The previous cpu, Ryzen 3 2200G worked fine, After watching this video I updated the bios on my MSI motherboard and now it works fine.. Thank you!
I recently discovered these videos and have been making my way through the first two seasons, It is amazing how many things go wrong (break) or are installed incorrectly - I feel like I am building quite the library of troubleshooting steps.
Greg, if you get in contact with a 13gen intel and get a memory issue (LED) chances are its a to old bios and not the memory (i had this, cause i get a to old mainboard from a retailer).
Nice catch on the BIOS, many would've missed that. And how strange that the mobo came with a defective BIOS. Unrelated, but I'm about to do a build in the same model Cougar case. One of the main reasons I bought it; it's one of the few gaming cases that has provision for a 5.25 optical drive (I have a nice Blue-Ray player to put in it)
I had a similar problem with a Gigabyte bios. After updating I had issues with SSD's and booting. After a week of trying to fix it I went back to the Gigabyte website and the bios I used had been removed. Upgraded to the next version and all worked fine. Never found any reference to the removed bios anywhere.
I've seen this a few times before ...OEM's should be honest about things and still list the broken BIOS revision but remove the download link and give a reason for the pull
I had a crazy issue with an MSI motherboard where it booted once with my 5800X and wouldn't boot again with that processor, but would run just fine with my old 3600. Queue me having to run to Prodigious Purchase to get an ROG Strix mobo since I didn't feel like driving 3 hours to Micro Center again... 😅
Sounds like a bad bios or a typically bad MSI board. Had a similar issue with a RMA replacement board for a 5900x. Worked for a little while before bricking itself during a windows update. Wouldn’t even let me flash a newer bios.
@@TheSjuris Yeah, I even updated the BIOS when I had my 3600 in it and it still didn't want to boot with my 5800X. 🤦♂ I just ended up taking the L and going ASUS since my local Prodigious Purchase only had that and MSI. 😅
I enjoyed this one, Greg. My first PC build is in a Cougar case, like that one you have there. I put a Ryzen 7 processor (2nd gen) on a MSI B450 Gaming Pro motherboard. So far no problems.
Had a similar issue that happened with me on 1st gen Ryzen. Bought it 2nd hand and the seller said it would post. Spent a couple hours and after a BIOS update, it worked properly 😂
There may be another explanation, that happened to me on some Ryzen platforms (and may be related to the bent board): excess tension on the stock cooler can make the system unstable. You unmounted the cooler so that could have fixed it
I had a ryzen board last week completely refuse to power on after applying thermal paste because the cooler was slightly too tight. Its insanely easy to short a board this way.
Whilst that is possible I am more likely to believe that it was a bad BIOS. The "E" variant is not on the MSI website and if you look online you'll see that there are reports of systems misbehaving and not booting with the "E" BIOS. That would also explain why it jumps from D to F as MSI would have pulled a known bad BIOS.
Ugh.... Lga pins suck ass.... People pull a cpu crooked and bam, bent pins.... Ive done it myself and it sucks straightening pins with a magnifying glass....
I really enjoy these vids. It's fun to see what issue kept these computers from working. Learned a few things too. Like how clearing the CMOS and updating the BIOS can fix so many problems.
Hey Greg, just to let you know, when MSI and even Gigabyte updates the bios page, they tend to remove past beta bios versions. For some reason they live to keep only the most resent beta bioses.
Greg, this video stuck in my mind and saved me a fair bit of pulling out my hair on a recent build. Long story short, purchased a B550 Aorus Master new in the box from 2022, which needed BIOS update for my 5900X. Swapped board out to a 3600X setup for another build and wouldn't you know it -- powers up, but only half the AMI logo loads and no POST. No CPU LED either. Rolled back the BIOS to a 2022 version and voila -- runs great.
Maybe wrong BIOS for B450 Tomahawk Max installed instead of the latest BIOS for B450 Tomahawk Max II motherboard (old and new production version of the MSI B450 Tomahawk motherboard)??
I had this exact same problem with my BIOS, it had taken me over 3 weeks and non stop crashes/blue screens. Even Windows 11 clean install crashed before I realise what was happening. My mobo - MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WiFi The problem BIOS: 7C37v1I The new safe BIOS: 7C37v1J I wanted to update the BIOS as I was looking to upgrade to 5800X3D. 3 weeks of pain, then checked the BIOS page and my mind was blown! OMG it's not there, installed the new bios, no crashes since, I could've cried. Now I'm a happy owner of 5800X3D! Also undervolted :)
I need help I don’t understand Wtf happened all I did was remove the GPU to put a diff one in and I get no power on the MB what so ever. I don’t even want a replacement I just want someone to figure Wtf wrong with it. My specs is ASUS z690-F Cpu 12900K Kraken x73 2 ssd drives Samsung. GPU I was using 6900XT sapphire Psu rog swift 1200w 80 plus platnium With g skill 32GB ram 6000MHz. I beg someone help me.
I've never touched AMD cpus, and i've had like more than 20 dfifferent intel CPUs, none went wrong never.....I think I'm still staying away from AMD...
Mr Salazar, what’s the future of Quantum computing? You think Quantum CPU’s and possibly GPU’s will replace traditional CPU’s and GPU’s? Are quantum computers more sophisticated, or do they work the same? What’s the future of CPU’s and GPU’s?
I also have the same issue with my PC. Tried everything I saw here in this video and also on everyone comments, like slacking a little bit the CPU cooler to avoid bending the mobo, tried my CPU in another computer and it went well. CPU : Ryzen 3600 Mobo : B450 Tomahawk MAX GPU : GeForce 2060 KO SSD : Samsung 860 EVO , 1TB PSU : EVGA 500 BR All parts bought in early 2020. I tried flashing BIOS, reinstalling precedent version (Version D, the same as this video). I tried disconnecting/reconnecting maybe 10 times every components. My computer sometimes boot and sometimes go straight to the red CPU debug light. When it boot, I used it maybe 1-2hours before it went dark again with the cpu debug light of doom. I will try to look for a way to test my PSU before trying to buy a new one. Sadly I had a lot of hopes that my problem was the same as this video. Still really instructive to watch, great video!
I have a question. Nice video btw. Should amd Ryzen 5600x with RTX 2060 make noise when gaming? CPU fan is one that i hear the most. Should be normal to hear some noise from it or should be silence. I have Ryzen 5600x with stock cooler..
Yes, every PC makes noise when gaming. The fans on your GPU, your CPU cooler, and case all spin up to help keeps temps under control while under load. If the noise bothers you, get an aftermarket tower cooler like the Id Cooling SE-214-XT, SE-224-XT, Be Quiet Pure Rock 2, Arctic Freezer 34 eSports Duo, Vetroo V5, Deepcool AK620, Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120, Scythe Fuma 2, or Noctua NH-U12S Redux. Any of the above should do the trick, but the Scythe Fuma 2 will likely run the quietest. The 5600x is a relatively cool chip though, so if you're on a budget, the Id Cooling SE-214-XT will work just fine and be quieter than the stock cooler. You can also go into your BIOS and set up a custom fan curve. The default fan curve can sometimes be needlessly aggressive, and you may be able to adjust it so that it runs quieter while still keeping temps at a reasonable level. You can do the same thing with your GPU fans by using a program like MSI Afterburner.
The rtx 2060 could also be making noise depending on which model you bought. Asus or Msi variants usually have more silent coolers than other variants.
I had a similar issue like this except mine post and goes to desktop, but... randomly restarts. I have an ASUS B550-F Gaming Motherboard and installed the latest bios that had a release note states "Added Ryzen 3D CPUs Support" which I only have Ryzen 3800X which I figured should I try bios flashback to older BIOS. Fortunately it did fix the issue, the question is Why? are we the Guinea pigs or nightmare? I just don't understand why vendors don't test this Bios properly. Also The latest Bios for ASUS B550-F Gaming is not a beta, which really get on my nerves. This video points out that just because your Bios is at the latest version and date, doesn't mean it's stable or better aka "If it's not broken, don't fix it".
The MSI B450 Tomahawk Max boards have issues. I’m on my fourth brand new one under warranty, all with similar issues. I bought one and it failed. Then the two RMA boards I got both failed. I just opened a new RMA to get the third new board replaced. And that missing BIOS was available until recently. I used it to try to flash one of these bad boards. But it did it work. When I used that missing BIOS, the board would not work with either a Ryzen A8-9600, 2600, 3600, nor a 5500.
AMD's quality issues have exhausted me. CPU's that die, Bad drivers for their GPU's. I am done with them. I normally have 2 systems (both AMD) running and up to date with current gen components but I won't buy AMD anymore. I am just going to buy Intel and Nvidia from now on.
The bios you installed, version 7C02v3D doesn't match what you flashed according to the mobo readout E7C02AMS. So, what's on the website won't necessarily match what the bios shows...stupid on the vendor IMO. Hence your right to question what was on there in the first place. EDIT: you also said the system worked fine at first when the owner swapped the 3600 into the new board. Definitely strange, I'll chock it up to bios rot. It's a real thing and does happen.
I have an orange led next to the ram, which update for my bios should I put. I have a ASUS B550 gaming plus wifi and I have a ryzen 5 5600x currently I'm on update 2803 and it's not working
I have a gigabyte FM2+ Mobo than cant seem to update the bios... been trying to udate it since last month to replace the cpu for a more powerful one and the mobo bios version doesnt support it... GA-F2A68HM-S1 (rev. 1.1) is the motherboard with an AMD A6-6400K and im relacing it with AMD A8-7680. Its my brother's pc that i started using after my lapto died. I already multiple time to try updating it and followed the websites instructions carefully and it errors saying *invalid bios image* . I already gave up on this and just saving up money to buy parts for a new pc but i already have the cpu anyway so i want to replace it.
I'm sort of remember there being an issue with the MSI AMD MAG/MAX boards around 2 1/2 years ago and the BIOS but can't quite remember what although I think they pulled boards off shelves and put a sticker on the box after a new BIOS flash.
That's the reason I don't like AMD CPU, the socket and the bios and the compatibility with so many generation creates a lot of problems. I'm using an Intel with same MSI branded motherboard and no issues so far and I changed 2 CPUs from 10400f to 11700 kf
Basically all of the B450 Tomahawk boards had some major BIOS issues. I built a PC for someone with a B450 Tomahawk and it soft bricked itself after changing a few settings and turned out (after half a day of Googling) that it was a known issue that if you changed a setting (can't remember which one it was) without first updating the BIOS, the board effectively bricked itself. I then had another fun half a day trying to flash the latest BIOS via a USB drive, but MSI had the instructions listed wrong and I eventually found a random forum post explaining that you had to format the USB drive differently than what the instructions said.
what is up with fan boys Ryzen AMD. its immature junk. Even Jay2cents built a top ryzen build and is switching back to Intel base. He even got so sick from it he had surgery..😊
I have MSI Z370 that had wonky BIOS. Every 10 or so boots i would refuse to start and beep at me with speaker that I had. Using fast boot options made it even worse. Turns out after few e-mails with MSI, new version showed up on page, installed, problem went away. Admitetdly those e-mail took longer than they should because of me not following simple instruction "load optimized defaults" to the letter.
I notice I had a post issue with my Ryzen 9 3900x when I first got the CPU. I gotta say! AMD RMA is awesome and they got me up back up and running in 2 days. I mean.. A new CPU in 2days. Awesome RMA!
Hello Greg Salazar. I have a dell xps studio 9100 and it keeps shutting down automatically. Can you tell me what is the problem[s] Also can you fix it for FREE?
i found a few B450 BIOS are weirdly cross compatible, like it will write it and work temporarily, but this is what happens, they have about 5 boards that are identical Max, Max wifi, Ect but i think he used the wrong BIOS
HP omen with a 120mm AIO on a 12th gen intel.. You know you're in for a rough time if you buy this. The cooler has been tested, and it's far from sufficient enough for such a high tdp CPU. Plus, HP has been known for power managing the motherboards so much that you will never see the performance you're paying for. Probably good money as a sponsor, but shitty PCs that I don't think any viewer would appreciate getting stuck with.
A PC has so many "moving parts" with BIOS, OS Drivers, Firmware, Software, Hardware that it can be the absolute tiniest piece that keeps the whole machine from working.
I've always been lucky to have previous generations of CPUs (1600x, 2400g, and 3400g) just in case it's a bios issue and I know that even when amazon or whatever shop describes it as 3000 or 2000 ready that it's not always true. And before switching cpu, I would make it a habit to make sure that the bios is compatible with the next cpu I put in afterwards. Keep up the great work. It's always enjoyable watching your content :)
bio flash back is a life safter tbh. when we built my friends 5600x near launch he needed a matx board so we went b550m and made sure it had bios flash back and it was defintely needed
@@Pilaspilas911 they were similar prices to other decent b550m boards. it was more then like the most barebones b550m boards though. But it saved us from having to try and order an update kit from amd or try to find someone with an older gen cpu.
this triggered a memory of the strangest bios issue I've ever come across, it was an HP prebuild with an odd bios setting that affected the M.2 SSD drive that mimicked a CPU issue. Very bizarre problem. Was a customer's unit, not mine. If you've ever seen an HP prebuild bios you know they're weird.
last year I bought an Asus Rog Strix B550-F and ran into a similar issue, on the manual it says it was compatible with Ryzen 5000, naturally I installed my 5600x and worked fine the first day, next day however my computer booted perfectly fine but after 5 minutes it completely shutdown and power on again over and over. Long story short I tested a lot of things but a bios update solved the problem, looks like even if it is supposed to be compatible from factory, this bios also had a problem. A friend of mine ran into this same issue with an AsRock B450 and a 5600G, too much coincidence I was looking trough the comments and it seems to be a very regular issue to have bad factory Bios from various brands
3:38 SO TRUEEEEEEEEEE. This guy brought his pc to the shop i work because he said the mobo was probably damaged since the cpuwas having power supply issues. I asked him if he was sure and checked everything at least 2 times, he said yes. First thing i went to check the cables and power supply, both the cpu cables were not plugged in the PSU, probably bcs he messed up while doing the managment. Never trust them, but respectfully
I had a x570 and b550, both from asrock, that wouldn't post with my 3700x in it, only was I founds to resolve it was to put my old 2600 in and update the BIOS.
I'm kinda shocked you accepted HP Omen sponsorship. They have the reputation to use proprietary parts, and most importantly sh*t coolers and motherboards, resulting in poor performance relative to a correctly built machine with the same CPU. There's also often a total lack of airflow!
trying this when i get home, i recently upgraded my mobo and cpu from b550/3600 non-x to x570/5900x and i wasnt getting a post with my arctic aio cooler but once i used my ryzen wraith prism it booted. it worked for about a week and then yesterday while messing around with the asus optimizer i saved the settings it automatically adjusted and then boom, no post, not even bios. tried clearing cmos (have clear cmos button) tried safe booting tried booting in different ram slots and im still getting a 02 error code on my debug led. going to try flashing bios first when i go home for lunch, if no luck then I'll trying swapping back to my old 3600 and seeing if i gain a post but im pretty sure the optimizer frigged off something with my cpu and maybe reverting back to default bios will help. if you've experienced an issue similar to mine pls comment your experience I'd love the help. Greg love your videos dude keep doing the lords work!
I think these motherboards came with a weird bios from factory. I have a B450 tomahawk max 2 which was supposed to have come with the zen 3 bios from factory, put a 5600g in it and kept getting CPU debug light and random shut downs. Turns out it was a weird bios version it shipped with from factory. Updating the bios worked perfectly.
Those boards launched before the zen 3 arrived. The factory support was Zen 2 but that also depends on the time it was manufactured, as it might get the bios updated in the factory, but there are still some without that bios update as they were sitting in storage.
@@Ficii1 yeah, mine was advertised as Ryzen 5000 ready on the box and bought it new from Amazon so I assumed the motherboard was fine but it's definitely a dodgy factory bios
Yeah that is a very weird thing cause I have a 550F board from Asus and my friend has an Asus 450F board and his had this issue yet mine didn't and I have a 5950x and he has a 5800x yet his did this same thing and when I updated the bios for him, it worked and fixed it. So this definitely ain't a normal thing. Hopefully MSI and other manufacturers really make sure this doesn't happen again and are aware of this and hopefully fix this cause this ain't something that should happen straight out of the box like that.
@@georgeshajan7956 Same for me, it was advertised as ready for Ryzen 5000 but the BIOS version it had was not on MSI website either and I had to update the BIOS for the system to boot.
The Zen 3 APUs were released much later than the first set of Zen 3 CPUs, so most likely the board was manufactured after the initial release of Zen 3, but long before the APUs were released. So at the time it supported all available Zen 3 CPUs.
This series never gets stale. Always exciting to see a new entry, Greg!
This is the best PC repair series on youtube. Bar none.
Good job Greg!
Don't pay any mind to those idiots keep doing what you're doing, you are the kindest person i watch on TH-cam!
Greg your whole keylight setup is awesome, warm white color etc, its just perfect
Thanks! It still bothers me a bit sometimes, but they're fixed to my ceiling so I basically just have to deal hahah.
@@GregSalazar nah it's good, homie, better than that sterile white ring light that just looks like a hospital, ill tell you that
@@yurilopes420 Yup
fix or flop live? Maybe? Greg any thoughts?
If he has the parts that might be swapped on hand, sounds good but if not can’t really do any testing
I love that idea
@@afg_uks with an am 4 system there should still be plenty of components on hand to at least troubleshoot even if he has to wait for parts to actually replace the components (graphics cards being the main one to wait for)
Lmao, as a PC builder, a live episode of this will literally span 3-5 hours at the very LEAST (assuming the problem isn't solved by the first or second thing assessed/fixed)
Can we get a live Speedrun?
The ''missing'' bios may have been updated via MSI's software in windows. Some times i have seen it having different revisions then the site.
I think the ''automatic'' updates are some times different then the ''manual'' ones. And you never should use the windows software (MSI LIVE UPDATE 6) to update bios because its crap.
I think that is what happened in this case.
That would make perfect sense considering that it supposedly was working.
While I'm not sure on this case in video, but yeah...I had this bad experience back on early 2000s on a MSI motherboard in my house because their LIVE UPDATE tool provided a new BIOS update but that turned out a faulty release...install that will brick the board.
And then my brother had to take that motherboard to MSI company to replace that fault BIOS...and he found he was not the only one had to replace the BIOS chip(I think the new replaced one was previous version of BIOS on MSI's website) when on there...at least that process was free.
(That motherboard was just "one day old" lol)
And the next day...they just take out the BIOS update from their site and the LIVE Update server...and never had any new BIOS release for that board to ever released.
Yeah, be careful if they uploaded a fault BIOS release...it's rare but it can happens, at least for MSI. :P
@@PlayerLin I cant think of anything else. Greg and other comments said that it may have shipped out from the factory with that bios.
But the owned said that it was working after the motherboard replacement. So that cant be the case then. If the bios is incopatible it would have not worked at all.
And the the bios date was from may of 2022 and i dont think they are still making B450 boards in 2022.
So the only explanation that remains is that the bios was updated after the owner had gotten it and used it for a while.
Bios update is a very delicate prosedure and doing it in windows is very risky with any boards.
There are so many things that can go wrong with all the windows backround operations and so on.
So i think that the owner used the LIVE UPDATE to update everything including the bios.
Maybe the bios was already bad or it got corrupted during installation because of windows.
Best way to confirm this would be to ask the owner or check if the LIVE UPDATE is installed on the computer at all.
I would actualy want to know if i was right or not. But i gues it will remain a mystery.
@@j.p.h.8126 Remember what Greg said: Should not fully trust what owner was told.
So yeah it's possible the system was worked but ruined by LIVE UPDATE's faulty BIOS update but if that would be case, then it should be other users that using the same motherboard to report such problems...
But yeah I agreed what you said: it'll remain a mystery.
@@PlayerLin totally
I appreciate that you went ahead and cross-checked the client's Ryzen CPU. I had suspicions and would have been disappointed if this wasn't explored. Solid work!
Gigabyte has released a few BIOS that aren't available online anymore due to security issues or they were test BIOS. I assume Gigabyte isn't the only company that has done that. Unfortunately they never let people know the BIOS is bad. It just disappears from the support pages. It's a bit sad that no one is notified when issue BIOS are released and then deleted.
The only time I don't verify the failure is if they describe something that sounds like a power issue/short. I'd hate to verify and end up doing more damage in doing so. That's about the only time I tear it apart and examine first. Had a system not too long ago that had all sorts of power issues. Loose wires, shorts... and worse yet, the wrong SATA cable for the PSU that was sending 12v into the SSD, which was already dead as a result.
And how sad that a supposed computer repair shop missed this. I wonder if they just did the basic crap and didn't see the money in spending a lot of time on it and gave it back. I sure hope they didn't charge them anything.
With the Thumbnail saying " nice try " I was kind of expecting a viewer to lie to you and get free stuff. Not sure why but that's what I was thinking was gonna happen
What a weird problem. Glad I've learnt something new. Great episode!
You're videos helped me lol. A bad ssd sadly had to be replaced but it was causing my vga light to come on and I'd have to restart the pc multiple times for it to post and I tried everything up until I disconnected my sata ssd
Hmmm, those 3600's seem to keep popping up dead...not just on your channel either.
Edit: I should have waited to comment 😅😅
Hahah!
still accurate tho, very bad chip. my brother had one die and cause a bunch of headaches too.
This is why I feel it's always good practice to flash the bios on a new board (at least new to you). It's not always guaranteed that it's going to ship automatically with the compatible version for your cpu, so it gets rid of one potential problem
This is what I do with the second-hand computers I sell; I always update the BIOS on the motherboards. I've only "lost" one board (ASrock Z77 Extreme4) due to a failed update; and that's my fault because I should have updated the BIOS in "stages" i.e., go from one, to another, to another until latest version.)
@@PCFixer Get a little CH341a hardware flasher and you can revive any board no problem :)
But if the installed BIOS is even more recent than the current stable from the website, you're missing the point. I'd find it odd to have some version installed that isn't publicly available, but as long as it's not a known beta or known to cause issues, I wouldn't flash an older version. Depending on the revision of the board it could even be that the older BIOS isn't really compatible with it.
@@magicalsnek That will never happen because any board you buy would have come out of the factory months ago or even longer. The bios installed on the board will almost always be an older version than the one on the website or if you're incredibly lucky the same version but never a newer one.
@@hazzmati Well obviously there is a BIOS version that was skipped on the website. If it was current at the time of purchase several months but just not released to the public, of course this version could have been preinstalled.
Definitely a lesson to check the BIOS revision when updating it. It's possible It might have come out of the factory like that but I would be inclined to think that the person may have put in a beta bios by accident without checking as it looked like a previous beta bios version.
Definitely came from the factory like that I had to help another guy with this issue with exact same board. But hey as long as you kept your old cpu it's and easy enough fix. Well assuming this happened after a CPU upgrade.
The same thing happened to me with a MSI B550 mobo and modern 5600X, updating to latest stable bios version bricked the system, and downgrading to an earlier bios version fixed it. It sounds like a MSI QC issue
Had a shaky MSI x570s board come to me as a RMA replacement board worked for a couple of hours and then bricked in a Windows update.
that is the reason why experienced people on computers say, if it works, dont touch.
just upgrade bios if is really needed, because new cpu, or problems with memory, etc.
@@MrDvneil works fine until a supposedly fine bios bricks the board completely.
@@TheSjuris the only bios that bricks the boards are the ones you update, if you dont touch if is working will work forever if you don't touch anything on ur pc
@@MrDvneil if that was true then it wouldn’t have gotten bricked, but alas it did happen that way. The chip worked and works fine on other motherboards. Bet there was something faulty with it early since someone had originally sent it back to MSI before me.
This series is the best ❤️
My R5 3600 died on me (Never ending IRQL errors...system cannot get into Windows) recently, since the Asus Strix b450-f gaming mobo and the 16G TridentZ setup was working fine, ended up getting a 5600X. Hoping this one will work and doesn't end up the same. PSU Corsair RM650 and RTX3060 (previously GTX1060) 😢
I really don't think it was the BIOS itself that was the issue... I think it was the BIOS flashback button being pinned down by the rear IO shield that prevented this system from posting. It's happened on some of the PC builds I've done before with both MSI and ASUS motherboards
Absolutely could be the case here.
I have had weird issues with MSI/AMD some bios versions. It could be either one.
To confirm, that button was not pressed down in its original state. We looked closely at it. The button was recessed inside the I/O plate. Was definitely the BIOS
Those BIOS flashback buttons don't need to be pushed down to be actuated. If the IO shield was pushing it from the side, which it seemed to be doing in the video, the button will stay actuated, preventing a POST. I guess I should have been more clear in my original comment. I believe you though. If you checked and it was indeed the BIOS, then you're probably right. I just thought I'd point out this discrepancy
@@GregSalazar but in the video you said that the problem started before he changed the motherboard ... how does this make any sense?
Imagine how many people have RMA:d a perfecktly good CPU because of this, and also motherboards. This MSI's extremely bad mistake has probably cost users alot of money. Pointlessly.
Romans 10:9-10 "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."
I have a i7 10700k and a z490 MSI mobo. I can’t seem to get the white cpu light to go away and my computer won’t post. Every other part including fans turns on, anyone know what’s happening?
12:30 He didn't show us Reyzen 5 3600 up and running on the owner's motherboard..Only seeing Ryzen 5 2600..🤣
Was the original motherboard bios a removed or superseded BETA BIOS ….hmmm…. 🤔
Do you work with a videographer? Your filming is on point. Lot of folks don't appreciate that a 15-minute video takes about 3-4 hours of filming. And then sorting audio, video, and picking out 60 seconds' worth of footage from every 5- to 10-minute long clip lol.
I really like that you always check hardware you take out of a rig. I can't really fault you working.
This series has genuinely taught me a lot thank you, but really this is worrying most of the cpu failure are 3rd gen ryzens and should take a look
My B450 Tomahawk MAX shipped back in 2020 with a beta BIOS installed. Fortunately it never caused me any issues with the 3600X that I originally had in it. I upgraded to a 5800X3D just a few months ago and had to flash the BIOS with a much newer version to get it to work and it's continued to work great ever since. I must have got lucky with MSI's BIOS lottery. I was surprised to see so many different versions on their support page. I just went with the most recent and crossed my fingers and all was well.
Hehe when you said you noticed something in the BIOS and showed the info in it, the first thing that came to my mind was "lol a bios from month 15, that must be broekn". I'm too non-murican for this lol XD
It might be good to have a video for MSI response for that retracted BIOS update. 🙂🙂🙂
I have always gotten mb's with no debug leds. I am for sure going to get one on my next mb. I think a bios flash button would be good too
@@ascissordollynamedgwen9409 I wouldn't say they are absolute trash as they can sometimes give users a hint where to look. Sure, they're not always accurate but some help is better than none. Once you've used them enough you can usually gauge whether they are pointing you in the right direction or not. Even if they are only accurate half of the time, that's better than having nothing at all.
Had this exact same thing happen on a Tomahawk MAX (not the II version), really weird!
Hey Greg. Great eye on catching that BIOS! Similar thing happened to me yesterday. I had a BETA BIOS on my system I believe and when I went to update my BIOS to the latest version, my current version couldn't be found anywhere on AsRock's page. Only difference is that my old BIOS worked for me, at least for my 5950X.
Always learn something from every one of your videos.
Thanks for the hard work!
Manufacturers will sometimes pull Bios updates from their website if there was a problem with it.
Or if it is was a temporary Beta Bios (i know Evga does this sometimes).
They did indeed pull it. A quick google search shows that many others had problems with booting and crashing after updating to the "E" version.
I am from India and your vedio helps me alot in troubleshooting for myself and for my friends love from India and for explaining everything in depth and details for every vedio and every new things learnt about troubleshooting PC.
Greg, There was issues with that missing Bios, 1 issue was it would not work with an RX580 GPU, before this update there was an update of firmware for the RX580. You will find a missing Bios version for almost every, MSI MB it is odd that they did not create a proper CHANGE LOG for these bios to explain this.
I wonder if the bios flashback button was being pressed and that's why it wouldn't boot
I bought a used Ryzen 7 3700x that wouldn't boot. Thought the cpu was bad. The previous cpu, Ryzen 3 2200G worked fine, After watching this video I updated the bios on my MSI motherboard and now it works fine.. Thank you!
Nice save!
I love how excited you get, Greg. Wholesome content 👍
I recently discovered these videos and have been making my way through the first two seasons, It is amazing how many things go wrong (break) or are installed incorrectly - I feel like I am building quite the library of troubleshooting steps.
I absolutely love this series!!!! Keep up the good work Greg
One more reason to stay away from AMD products
Greg, if you get in contact with a 13gen intel and get a memory issue (LED) chances are its a to old bios and not the memory (i had this, cause i get a to old mainboard from a retailer).
lol somehow this board came with the shitty version of the bios how do they not see this oversite
Nice catch on the BIOS, many would've missed that. And how strange that the mobo came with a defective BIOS. Unrelated, but I'm about to do a build in the same model Cougar case. One of the main reasons I bought it; it's one of the few gaming cases that has provision for a 5.25 optical drive (I have a nice Blue-Ray player to put in it)
Not what i was expecting from the thumbnail, thought it was going to finally be one that someone tried to trick you to get free parts.
I had a similar problem with a Gigabyte bios. After updating I had issues with SSD's and booting. After a week of trying to fix it I went back to the Gigabyte website and the bios I used had been removed. Upgraded to the next version and all worked fine. Never found any reference to the removed bios anywhere.
I've seen this a few times before ...OEM's should be honest about things and still list the broken BIOS revision but remove the download link and give a reason for the pull
I had a crazy issue with an MSI motherboard where it booted once with my 5800X and wouldn't boot again with that processor, but would run just fine with my old 3600. Queue me having to run to Prodigious Purchase to get an ROG Strix mobo since I didn't feel like driving 3 hours to Micro Center again... 😅
Sounds like a bad bios or a typically bad MSI board. Had a similar issue with a RMA replacement board for a 5900x. Worked for a little while before bricking itself during a windows update. Wouldn’t even let me flash a newer bios.
@@TheSjuris Yeah, I even updated the BIOS when I had my 3600 in it and it still didn't want to boot with my 5800X. 🤦♂
I just ended up taking the L and going ASUS since my local Prodigious Purchase only had that and MSI. 😅
I enjoyed this one, Greg. My first PC build is in a Cougar case, like that one you have there. I put a Ryzen 7 processor (2nd gen) on a MSI B450 Gaming Pro motherboard. So far no problems.
Had a similar issue that happened with me on 1st gen Ryzen. Bought it 2nd hand and the seller said it would post. Spent a couple hours and after a BIOS update, it worked properly 😂
WOW! Yet another Ryzen issue. When was the last time you had an Intel issue?
I do remember some intel dead chips on this playlist but yeah there does seem to be a few more dead Ryzen chips.
Its obvious, its low on boot up fluid. Usually you want it between the MIN and MAX line.
Thanks again for your insight Stefan!
There may be another explanation, that happened to me on some Ryzen platforms (and may be related to the bent board): excess tension on the stock cooler can make the system unstable. You unmounted the cooler so that could have fixed it
I had a ryzen board last week completely refuse to power on after applying thermal paste because the cooler was slightly too tight. Its insanely easy to short a board this way.
Whilst that is possible I am more likely to believe that it was a bad BIOS. The "E" variant is not on the MSI website and if you look online you'll see that there are reports of systems misbehaving and not booting with the "E" BIOS. That would also explain why it jumps from D to F as MSI would have pulled a known bad BIOS.
This series is so therapeutic. I absolutely love these videos
Watching these vids give me confidence to work on my build if anything were to happen 😅
Nice easy fix, what’s that little display you use? It seems extremely useful, being way less bulky than an actual monitor and all
Pixio PX160
Ugh.... Lga pins suck ass.... People pull a cpu crooked and bam, bent pins.... Ive done it myself and it sucks straightening pins with a magnifying glass....
same case, i have MSI X670E GAMING PLUS WIFI, cant post rx 7900 gre, downgrade bios, and rx 7900 gre run normally 😅
I really enjoy these vids. It's fun to see what issue kept these computers from working. Learned a few things too. Like how clearing the CMOS and updating the BIOS can fix so many problems.
Hey Greg, just to let you know, when MSI and even Gigabyte updates the bios page, they tend to remove past beta bios versions. For some reason they live to keep only the most resent beta bioses.
Greg, this video stuck in my mind and saved me a fair bit of pulling out my hair on a recent build. Long story short, purchased a B550 Aorus Master new in the box from 2022, which needed BIOS update for my 5900X. Swapped board out to a 3600X setup for another build and wouldn't you know it -- powers up, but only half the AMI logo loads and no POST. No CPU LED either. Rolled back the BIOS to a 2022 version and voila -- runs great.
Maybe wrong BIOS for B450 Tomahawk Max installed instead of the latest BIOS for B450 Tomahawk Max II motherboard (old and new production version of the MSI B450 Tomahawk motherboard)??
Would anyone intentionally load a "homebrew" BIOS to try and get a CPU upgrade??? Perhaps......perhaps not.
I had this exact same problem with my BIOS, it had taken me over 3 weeks and non stop crashes/blue screens.
Even Windows 11 clean install crashed before I realise what was happening.
My mobo - MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WiFi
The problem BIOS: 7C37v1I
The new safe BIOS: 7C37v1J
I wanted to update the BIOS as I was looking to upgrade to 5800X3D.
3 weeks of pain, then checked the BIOS page and my mind was blown!
OMG it's not there, installed the new bios, no crashes since, I could've cried.
Now I'm a happy owner of 5800X3D! Also undervolted :)
I need help I don’t understand Wtf happened all I did was remove the GPU to put a diff one in and I get no power on the MB what so ever. I don’t even want a replacement I just want someone to figure Wtf wrong with it. My specs is
ASUS z690-F
Cpu 12900K
Kraken x73
2 ssd drives Samsung.
GPU I was using 6900XT sapphire
Psu rog swift 1200w 80 plus platnium
With g skill 32GB ram 6000MHz. I beg someone help me.
I've never touched AMD cpus, and i've had like more than 20 dfifferent intel CPUs, none went wrong never.....I think I'm still staying away from AMD...
Mr Salazar, what’s the future of Quantum computing? You think Quantum CPU’s and possibly GPU’s will replace traditional CPU’s and GPU’s? Are quantum computers more sophisticated, or do they work the same? What’s the future of CPU’s and GPU’s?
I also have the same issue with my PC. Tried everything I saw here in this video and also on everyone comments, like slacking a little bit the CPU cooler to avoid bending the mobo, tried my CPU in another computer and it went well.
CPU : Ryzen 3600
Mobo : B450 Tomahawk MAX
GPU : GeForce 2060 KO
SSD : Samsung 860 EVO , 1TB
PSU : EVGA 500 BR
All parts bought in early 2020.
I tried flashing BIOS, reinstalling precedent version (Version D, the same as this video). I tried disconnecting/reconnecting maybe 10 times every components.
My computer sometimes boot and sometimes go straight to the red CPU debug light.
When it boot, I used it maybe 1-2hours before it went dark again with the cpu debug light of doom.
I will try to look for a way to test my PSU before trying to buy a new one. Sadly I had a lot of hopes that my problem was the same as this video.
Still really instructive to watch, great video!
These vids are cool man, very interesting to see all the different problems you can come across with hardware etc.
Got my sub!
Ha!! Just starting watching this video 20 mins after flashing the BIOS on my MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX 2!! 🙂Freaky!
In my experience Cyberpower PC's will have their own BIOS for some boards
I have a question.
Nice video btw.
Should amd Ryzen 5600x with RTX 2060 make noise when gaming?
CPU fan is one that i hear the most.
Should be normal to hear some noise from it or should be silence.
I have Ryzen 5600x with stock cooler..
If you are using the standard cooler it will be noisy under load
Yes, every PC makes noise when gaming. The fans on your GPU, your CPU cooler, and case all spin up to help keeps temps under control while under load.
If the noise bothers you, get an aftermarket tower cooler like the Id Cooling SE-214-XT, SE-224-XT, Be Quiet Pure Rock 2, Arctic Freezer 34 eSports Duo, Vetroo V5, Deepcool AK620, Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120, Scythe Fuma 2, or Noctua NH-U12S Redux. Any of the above should do the trick, but the Scythe Fuma 2 will likely run the quietest. The 5600x is a relatively cool chip though, so if you're on a budget, the Id Cooling SE-214-XT will work just fine and be quieter than the stock cooler.
You can also go into your BIOS and set up a custom fan curve. The default fan curve can sometimes be needlessly aggressive, and you may be able to adjust it so that it runs quieter while still keeping temps at a reasonable level. You can do the same thing with your GPU fans by using a program like MSI Afterburner.
The rtx 2060 could also be making noise depending on which model you bought. Asus or Msi variants usually have more silent coolers than other variants.
Love this series
I had a similar issue like this except mine post and goes to desktop, but... randomly restarts. I have an ASUS B550-F Gaming Motherboard and installed the latest bios that had a release note states "Added Ryzen 3D CPUs Support" which I only have Ryzen 3800X which I figured should I try bios flashback to older BIOS. Fortunately it did fix the issue, the question is Why? are we the Guinea pigs or nightmare? I just don't understand why vendors don't test this Bios properly. Also The latest Bios for ASUS B550-F Gaming is not a beta, which really get on my nerves. This video points out that just because your Bios is at the latest version and date, doesn't mean it's stable or better aka "If it's not broken, don't fix it".
The MSI B450 Tomahawk Max boards have issues. I’m on my fourth brand new one under warranty, all with similar issues. I bought one and it failed. Then the two RMA boards I got both failed. I just opened a new RMA to get the third new board replaced.
And that missing BIOS was available until recently. I used it to try to flash one of these bad boards. But it did it work. When I used that missing BIOS, the board would not work with either a Ryzen A8-9600, 2600, 3600, nor a 5500.
4:00 Definitely, Customer " The computer has viruses".... Computer doesn't power on at all and has multiple blown caps.
AMD's quality issues have exhausted me. CPU's that die, Bad drivers for their GPU's. I am done with them. I normally have 2 systems (both AMD) running and up to date with current gen components but I won't buy AMD anymore. I am just going to buy Intel and Nvidia from now on.
The bios you installed, version 7C02v3D doesn't match what you flashed according to the mobo readout E7C02AMS. So, what's on the website won't necessarily match what the bios shows...stupid on the vendor IMO. Hence your right to question what was on there in the first place.
EDIT: you also said the system worked fine at first when the owner swapped the 3600 into the new board. Definitely strange, I'll chock it up to bios rot. It's a real thing and does happen.
I have an orange led next to the ram, which update for my bios should I put. I have a ASUS B550 gaming plus wifi and I have a ryzen 5 5600x currently I'm on update 2803 and it's not working
I have a gigabyte FM2+ Mobo than cant seem to update the bios... been trying to udate it since last month to replace the cpu for a more powerful one and the mobo bios version doesnt support it... GA-F2A68HM-S1 (rev. 1.1) is the motherboard with an AMD A6-6400K and im relacing it with AMD A8-7680. Its my brother's pc that i started using after my lapto died. I already multiple time to try updating it and followed the websites instructions carefully and it errors saying *invalid bios image* . I already gave up on this and just saving up money to buy parts for a new pc but i already have the cpu anyway so i want to replace it.
I'm sort of remember there being an issue with the MSI AMD MAG/MAX boards around 2 1/2 years ago and the BIOS but can't quite remember what although I think they pulled boards off shelves and put a sticker on the box after a new BIOS flash.
That's the reason I don't like AMD CPU, the socket and the bios and the compatibility with so many generation creates a lot of problems. I'm using an Intel with same MSI branded motherboard and no issues so far and I changed 2 CPUs from 10400f to 11700 kf
Basically all of the B450 Tomahawk boards had some major BIOS issues. I built a PC for someone with a B450 Tomahawk and it soft bricked itself after changing a few settings and turned out (after half a day of Googling) that it was a known issue that if you changed a setting (can't remember which one it was) without first updating the BIOS, the board effectively bricked itself. I then had another fun half a day trying to flash the latest BIOS via a USB drive, but MSI had the instructions listed wrong and I eventually found a random forum post explaining that you had to format the USB drive differently than what the instructions said.
what is up with fan boys Ryzen AMD. its immature junk.
Even Jay2cents built a top ryzen build and is switching back to Intel base. He even got so sick from it he had surgery..😊
I have MSI Z370 that had wonky BIOS. Every 10 or so boots i would refuse to start and beep at me with speaker that I had. Using fast boot options made it even worse. Turns out after few e-mails with MSI, new version showed up on page, installed, problem went away. Admitetdly those e-mail took longer than they should because of me not following simple instruction "load optimized defaults" to the letter.
CPU was first to get checked and the first led to light up go figure!!! good chance it's the CPU. especially with the AMD junk problem lately.
I notice I had a post issue with my Ryzen 9 3900x when I first got the CPU. I gotta say! AMD RMA is awesome and they got me up back up and running in 2 days. I mean.. A new CPU in 2days. Awesome RMA!
Hello Greg Salazar. I have a dell xps studio 9100 and it keeps shutting down automatically. Can you tell me what is the problem[s] Also can you fix it for FREE?
i found a few B450 BIOS are weirdly cross compatible, like it will write it and work temporarily, but this is what happens, they have about 5 boards that are identical Max, Max wifi, Ect but i think he used the wrong BIOS
HP omen with a 120mm AIO on a 12th gen intel.. You know you're in for a rough time if you buy this. The cooler has been tested, and it's far from sufficient enough for such a high tdp CPU. Plus, HP has been known for power managing the motherboards so much that you will never see the performance you're paying for. Probably good money as a sponsor, but shitty PCs that I don't think any viewer would appreciate getting stuck with.
A PC has so many "moving parts" with BIOS, OS Drivers, Firmware, Software, Hardware that it can be the absolute tiniest piece that keeps the whole machine from working.
I've always been lucky to have previous generations of CPUs (1600x, 2400g, and 3400g) just in case it's a bios issue and I know that even when amazon or whatever shop describes it as 3000 or 2000 ready that it's not always true. And before switching cpu, I would make it a habit to make sure that the bios is compatible with the next cpu I put in afterwards. Keep up the great work. It's always enjoyable watching your content :)
bio flash back is a life safter tbh. when we built my friends 5600x near launch he needed a matx board so we went b550m and made sure it had bios flash back and it was defintely needed
@@Demon09-_- How much did it cost him to have bios flashback as a feature on his matx mobo compare to regular matx 550 mobo?
@@Pilaspilas911 they were similar prices to other decent b550m boards. it was more then like the most barebones b550m boards though. But it saved us from having to try and order an update kit from amd or try to find someone with an older gen cpu.
this triggered a memory of the strangest bios issue I've ever come across, it was an HP prebuild with an odd bios setting that affected the M.2 SSD drive that mimicked a CPU issue. Very bizarre problem. Was a customer's unit, not mine. If you've ever seen an HP prebuild bios you know they're weird.
last year I bought an Asus Rog Strix B550-F and ran into a similar issue, on the manual it says it was compatible with Ryzen 5000, naturally I installed my 5600x and worked fine the first day, next day however my computer booted perfectly fine but after 5 minutes it completely shutdown and power on again over and over. Long story short I tested a lot of things but a bios update solved the problem, looks like even if it is supposed to be compatible from factory, this bios also had a problem. A friend of mine ran into this same issue with an AsRock B450 and a 5600G, too much coincidence
I was looking trough the comments and it seems to be a very regular issue to have bad factory Bios from various brands
3:38 SO TRUEEEEEEEEEE.
This guy brought his pc to the shop i work because he said the mobo was probably damaged since the cpuwas having power supply issues.
I asked him if he was sure and checked everything at least 2 times, he said yes.
First thing i went to check the cables and power supply, both the cpu cables were not plugged in the PSU, probably bcs he messed up while doing the managment.
Never trust them, but respectfully
I had a x570 and b550, both from asrock, that wouldn't post with my 3700x in it, only was I founds to resolve it was to put my old 2600 in and update the BIOS.
I'm kinda shocked you accepted HP Omen sponsorship. They have the reputation to use proprietary parts, and most importantly sh*t coolers and motherboards, resulting in poor performance relative to a correctly built machine with the same CPU.
There's also often a total lack of airflow!
trying this when i get home, i recently upgraded my mobo and cpu from b550/3600 non-x to x570/5900x and i wasnt getting a post with my arctic aio cooler but once i used my ryzen wraith prism it booted. it worked for about a week and then yesterday while messing around with the asus optimizer i saved the settings it automatically adjusted and then boom, no post, not even bios. tried clearing cmos (have clear cmos button) tried safe booting tried booting in different ram slots and im still getting a 02 error code on my debug led. going to try flashing bios first when i go home for lunch, if no luck then I'll trying swapping back to my old 3600 and seeing if i gain a post but im pretty sure the optimizer frigged off something with my cpu and maybe reverting back to default bios will help. if you've experienced an issue similar to mine pls comment your experience I'd love the help. Greg love your videos dude keep doing the lords work!