LESS DIVISIVE??? Mutant Mayhem is arguably worse, we did not trade up we lost a precious gem of a show for intentional garbage looking visuals, EVEN younger turtles, them no longer hiding from the public, and my goodness their voices are super high pitch that they're just ear grating Rise had quality and from watching how the animators talked about challenging themselves to improve by watching each others stuff you could see in the finished product how much talent they poured into giving us the best looking show they could possibly give, and now all we're left with is chicken scratches and baby turtles, can we please go back to everyone being an adult again?
The annoying thing with this movie is that executives wanted the movie to be accessible as possible. That's why we got casey instead of Cassandra, no draxam or yokai, and April kinda being a reporter.
Wasn't April already a reporter in the show? I can't recall, but actually in my personal opinion think that works very well for the movie. Anyone can jump in at that point even though it's way better to watch the show in. That is how it should be. You can still watch it and enjoy it. For what you see it as and it's not like it really hurts the show like at all or even the writing within it. Nothing ever really feels forced in here or it is pushed in just to make you feel like you're included since you didn't watch the show, but you're jumping in anyway And if we're being real here, we really don't need to see the same villains that were already dealt with in the show reuse
@marvelmaniacs1 not saying april being a reporter kind of is a bad thing, just saying it was mandated to attract more audiences. In the show,' she was just always hopping between jobs and getting her apartment wrecked.
yeah not having cassandra and all the rise of tmnt allies not be up in the movie was the dumbest thing because if the world is about to be taken over the world why not have the turtles allies be up in the movie to help them
@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 apparently flying bark left Lego monkie kid for the 5th season sadly, a trailer was leaked and they announced it themselves
Just a reminder that the guy who storyboarded this film is going on to do the same for the upcoming third sonic film, that fact alone has me pretty hyped, anyone else?
Me me totally me, the choreography in sonic 2 was was pretty good now that sonic had something to go up against on his level instead of the drones so I can only imagine how they up the anti in the next installment
I actually have an answera lot of these questions! They had a deal with Netflix that they HAD to make a movie. Before the originally promised 3 seasons were cut to 2 (or more like 1 and a half), the creators stated that season 2's villain would be the shredder, and season 3s would be the krang, and they even had plans for the rat king to be a potential season 4 villain. So basically they salvaged what they could to make this movie. They haven't really given up on the show yet and still say they could make another movie with the rat king as a villain. Honestly its really depressing that the show was cut when it was. The creators wanted a full 6 seasons, and it ended when it was just getting started
Yeah, I didn't understand Xavier saying that the show wrapped up all its loose ends. They had to truncate and shorten a lot of their stories and it's why the finale felt so rushed. There's still unsolved mysteries like Big Mama's enforcer, and Bishop and the EPF or underdeveloped plot points like Cassandra as Casey or the Krang's connection to the Yokai City. It's one thing to accept the show's death, but it still had a lot of life left in it.
@@spencerpayton5401 They wanted the 3 seasons at the least to tell the story they wanted to tell, but they've stated they thought they could have easily gone for 6
After giving it some thought, I think this might be my favorite out of the animated Turtles movie. It's not overly-complex like TMNT, and the comedy and dialogue doesn't feel like they rely 60% on references like Mutant Mayhem. It's the right amount of action, humor, and heart I could asks for in a Ninja Turtles film. Plus, the glow-up the Krang has is insane.
The jokes in Mutant Mayhem was for a very specific demographic, and from what I know, current teens liked it a lot. Mutant Mayhem still had a lot of heart and action (one of the best scenes, in fact), and it had the most gorgeous animation. It's still my favourite, because this movie tonally clashed with everything the series was. It was hard for me to believe this serious movie was in the same universe as a show that bombarded you with jokes every second.
The more I think about it more I begin to think that the Rise movie is my favorite TMNT movie it's well animated, it's got a great voice cast, it's got some good character development with Leonardo, and unlike other TMNT movies it doesn't rely on pop culture references for jokes. It feels like a movie made for people like me.
- Eye candy animation - Decent story but nothing too impressive - Not really necessary. My God, this movie is the equivalent of a non-canon anime movie
As someone who recently saw Spy x Family: Code White, I can confirm that’s a pretty accurate analysis. (Code White was still amazing though, go watch it if you haven’t.)
While the series had a better multi-part finale, I still appreciate giving this incarnation of the turtles some sort of send-off, while other integral side characters might be missing in a plot that would've basically needed their presence, this didn't end up being another Spectacular Spider-man with numerous unresolved plot-lines. We'll just have to see how the next TMNT series lives up to this
The rise of the TMNT truly did have a bit of a bad start at first due to it not feeling like an actual TMNT series. But as time passes, the series is now getting the respect it finally deserves due to its later episodes, but in the end, it was sadly too late for Rise when Nick pulled the plug. At least it got closure, thanks to the movie.
I think they struggled a bit with finding that perfect balance of action and comedy while having an ongoing story during the first half of season 1. I think they finally reached that balance once season 2 came out, but then that's when Nick decided to pull the plug and well, that's the fate of every cartoon cut before their time.
@@Elvusmiwyeah...i think the only problem is that it came out at the WRONG time, so many bad reboots had that exact generic art style and that were just comedies that shat in the source material came out that it really looked like ROTMNT was going to be the same, but turns out it was just a really good show that just needed some time. Oh well at least it gave us what's arguably the best TMNT movie ever which again is no small thing
I agree the series finale is a better way to end the story but for as basic as it was, I liked the story in the movie. Leo coming to grips with responsibility felt like a necessary chapter though it undercuts Raph's growth as a leader. It was a fun and worthwhile movie IMO.
Casey Jones has ALWAYS Been my favorite chatacter in the TMNT Franchise, that's why I was so greatful he Finally got the chance to be The Lead Character & Main Protagonist as it is in a Full Lenght Animated Film, & That's the reason why I ADORE SO MUCH This movie
If it means anything, your video did make me and my boyfriend binge watch the show. We love it! It reminded us a lot of Transformers Animated and The Batman 2003. Rise might be my favourite version of the TMNT. Despite being short-lived, I'm satisfied with what I got, the amount of episodes it has plus a movie is more than most cancelled black sheep shows in other franchises get.
So damn refreshing to see a Rise related video or post in general that isn't just screaming for a season 3. I agree fully with the idea Rise ended at a good spot and ngl Surfing Dracula is the best way to address the "flaws" of the series, cause its not an inherently bad setup, just not for every fan Also god its so nice to hear someone also share the disappointment of Casey almost never being Casey Jones in any animated series, especially in Rise. I love Cassandra and like Casey Jr but they really aren't Casey Jones beyond vague hockey aesthetic. They made 03 Casey and never tried again lol
Legit, considering the stuff the Rise! Turtles are capable of. I think about how the other turtles would react. Watching Mutant Mayhem, I can tell you that those turtles would be amazed and would compare it to the anime they watch. Maybe even note Rise! Leo sounds like Movie Sonic (Since same VA)
Will there ever be a gritty TMNT show similar to the comics? I know there's some Last Ronin game or movie soon but ever a series based on the original comics?
Probably in like… 5-10 years? Probably not a show though. If there’s a gritty show it’ll be after more of the “newer” fans take the driving seat (by Newer Fans I mean folks who grew up in the Early 2000s)
I have a bucket list of shows and movies I wanna make, and a dark and gritty mirage comic style TMNT show is on that list. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Animated Series.
At least we're getting one more Rise of the TMNT story in the upcoming 40th Anniversary Special comic by Andy Suriano himself. It'll be a fairly short comic story, but still something to taste on.
@@jordonthecookie It's called "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 40th Anniversary Comics Celebration, coming out in July. It reunites artists and writers from different TMNT eras for brand-new short stories. Some of those also include new stories set in the 2003, 2012, and Rise shows.
@@stopasking2441 Search for the official news articles. Andy Suriano is listed amongst the creators involved. Ciro Nieli and Lloyd Goldfine are also listed, and Nieli confirmed on Instagram he's doing a 2012 story. Make sense they're doing stories about the other shows.
Ngl, I fell in love with this version of Casey. This ragged little soldier, never being able to see his family again, loosing everything and everyone he ever knew and loved, only to end up with his family who still don't look at him as the same family he had, his quite possibly father figure doesn't look at him with the same care and love anymore, even though he's important to this version of Leo too... I gotta disagree with having nothing more to him. His backstory was never properly laid out to us - he always had to fight to live in this movie - but he has a **** up past with an apocalyptic future and having the grown up, matured, stronger versions of our beloved characters as his only team and family, *and* he had to learn from Leo, of all turtles. He can have some of the best backstory in TMNT ever, if it's explained properly. Hell, even his recovery from his traumatic past and discovery of the modern, rich world, and learning to fit into it as a soldier of all things is going to be hella interesting and tear jerking (if it's done well). Yeah, I need a full S3 about explaining his backstory and recovery, cause I need more! 😍😭
i watched rise my freshman year of college towards the start of it. I got really into it as one of my roommates was abusive, so the show became a comfort. I loved it and on first watch the movie actually made me cry. Feeling nostalgic I decided to rewatch the movie on a free night in my second year of uni. IDK if its cuz i was playing a game on my phone, but the movie just didnt give me that same feeling i got from the show that i had when i watched the film for the first time. I loved it so much a year ago, i couldnt figure out why i didnt love it as much on my rewatch.
First and foremost I wanna say your feelings towards the movie are completely valid, even if I don't personally agree with them. I can see where you're coming from. I adore the ROTTMNT movie, I don't see it as simple as you do. The baseline plot is quite literally "find the key, stop the kraang" but this is ignoring Leo's whole journey throughout the movie. It wasn't that he was too egotistical to listen to his brothers, that was a front. He was scared of not being needed in the team so he wanted to do everything himself. He went from being the "faceman" (which even in the series he admits he sees as worthless to Hueso, saying he's nothing without his brothers) to being the leader, a huge jump in responsibility for him and one he is in no way used to. The movie's purpose was to follow leo growing into the leader he needed to be instead of just leaving it off as a "oh and blue is the leader now". The movie is about Leo. It's also about the strength of the Brothers' bond. That's what their "magic powers" represents. Their ninpo is their familial connection, something the Kraang temporarily severed. The fact that Leo was able to help them all regain their ninpo shows how he's grown as a leader throughout the movie. Leo at the beginning of the movie didn't want to be useless, so he tried to do everything himself without listening to his team. He didn't want his anxiety about being useless show, so he made jokes and pretended to be egotistical. When Raph was taken, he was taking things way more serious but still had that thought that if he can't save raph by doing it all his way, then why is he even leader? Especially after he got him captured to begin with. Leo at the end of the movie even still has remenents of that mindset. He listens to his team now, sure, but when his family is safe he goes right back to doing it himself again, especially since this is also something he blames himself for. He lost the key, he's the reason the Kraang are here, now he'll be the reason they're gone. So he sacrifices himself. There are two possibilities for why he did this: He believes in Mikey to make a portal and save him (though how would he know that Mikey could do that, all he heard Casey say was that F!Mikey made a time travel portal), or he still believes that his family doesn't need him. He listens to them now, he is a good leader now, but he still hasn't learned that they actually need him. "This isn't about me" as he says. Casey says this because it's not about Leo, as in it's not about him having to do everything. It's a team effort. He takes this as a "They don't need me". Of course they do need him, and perhaps them saving him finally got that through his thick skull. Maybe he finally understands what Casey meant. Hopefully, lest he goes sacrificing himself again. Overall, my view on the Rise movie is it's mostly about Leo's growth as a leader, something we did need after the series ended and something the series did lead up to. There are tons of moments throughout the series that show Leo being a good leader, he just doesn't realize it. He needed the movie to truly grow into his role. Also, Casey Jr isn't supposed to be like the classic Casey, he isn't supposed to be Rise's Casey. Casey Sr is Rise's Casey. She just wasn't in the movie because of Nickelodeon wanting the movie to be more accessible, that's why almost none of the rise exclusive characters were included. It's a miracle they were able to include everyone's favorite gay couple, Warren and Hypno. Overall, while I disagree with most of your points, I still enjoyed the video. Keep up with the good work!! You're allowed to dislike things
I felt that the movie is a good conclusion. With the show being an origin version, I felt like the whole Leo being the leader was the last missing connective bridge between the Leo we got and the traditional leader Leo. Creators themselves said that they didn’t build up his promotion as well as they’d like in the series so I would say, they did a good job fulfilling that with his noble sacrifice in the end while still retaining his core characteristics.
I think I need clarification on whether Xavier saying that the TMNT franchise doesn't play with time travel a lot is a bit. Like they do it every other adaptation
I meant to say "doesn't play with too often lately" but misspoke and left it out. They used to do it way more, like with Turtles in Time, the third movie, and all the time scepter stuff in 2003. It's hard to be coherent while battling a virus, I was so sick when working on this video that it was very difficult to even figure out what I wanted to say.
I like how you can see that the animators are a lil rusty drawing these turtles designs over the movie because they start looking more on model at the end
That Surf Dracula is the best analogy I’ve seen to sum up the comparison of TV shows in the past vs TV shows now. It reminds of a post I saw where TV Shows don’t have real filler episodes anymore and all the episodes in that season need to matter so people can keep binging and watching. Especially since most streaming shows have the 8-13 episode format instead of the 24 episode format.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone throw any names out for The Krang from this movie, since the credits just call them Krang 1,2,&3. So I’ve always called the main one Krang Supreme and the other two Krang Brother and Krang Sister. I know they aren’t incredibly clever but it’s better than them just being called numbers.
3:15 Protip!! The same animation studio that made this also made Lego Monkie Kid, which has Sean Schemmel (English dub of Goku) as Sun Wukong the monkey king, has just as impressive fight choreography, if not more so!!
If this was a video game ign would " this movie makes you feel the turtles truly has risen. Krang in this movie is truly a force to be reckoned with. Hes even powerful without his suit .
I actually really respect the movie for being able to balance the wire between satisfying diehard fans of the show and people who have never even watched Rise. I think almost any time a TV show gets a movie, the complaint is always, "only fans of the show will enjoy/understand this." Meanwhile I've also seen the other extreme. I've been a fan of Ninjago for as long as the show's been running, and when the time came for them to get a movie they sold their actual entire souls to make it "accessible for non-fans." They redesigned all the characters and changed all the VA's to be "cooler," they changed the entire premise, they basically made it a completely standalone film not even remotely similar to the show. The end result was that the existing Ninjago fandom was TICKED, and meanwhile the movie still didn't appeal to non-fans and was an overall flop. But meanwhile with the Rise movie, they struck that incredibly difficult balance. They pared out pretty much all the show-specific plotlines and characters, sure; they narrowed it down to characters and themes that anyone with a passing knowledge of any TMNT iteration would recognize. They didn't confuse non-fans with all the show's unique cast or backstory. But at the same time, they kept the actors, they kept the animation style, they kept enough themes from the end of season 2 that it still very much felt connected to the show's world. It didn't feel like they were completely selling out to get a broader audience. I have a lot of respect for that. And bonus point! Nearly every TMNT movie has featured a fight between Leo and Raph, but it's always been the same old theme of Leo being a stodgy leader type and Raph rejecting his authority. The Rise movie managed to keep the tradition of those two clashing, but like most things in this show they gave it a fresh new twist by making Raph the responsible one and Leo just too laid-back to care, rather than openly resenting him. Really appreciated that too.
I never got to watch the show, so the movie was my only experience. I do wonder why the show wasn’t put on Netflix so that people who watched the movie could also watch the show. That being said, the opening scene for the movie was truly awesome, and I would’ve loved if the entire movie was like that opening.
Having seen the movie before finishing the show I quite liked it on its own merits. True it doesn’t add to the series much but i think just another adventure with these versions of the characters is enough for me idk.
I think the movie was really trying to get people to get into the show since most TMNT fans didn't really like the show, so they made something that would really fit with what people would assume a TMNT movie with these character designs would be like without knowing anything else about the show.
Think the only thing that makes me “mad” about Rise is the fact Nick is just ignoring it so hard, like that recent promo for Tales of the TMNT, where they showed every other cartoon, except for Rise. Just feels weird to me. Also, and I know this’ll sound odd, but I’d rather see this iteration continued through fan projects and AU’s, then if Nick were to make more. It’s more interesting to me to see fans come up with some crazy stories to give these characters more depth and arcs I didn’t even know I wanted to see. Like that Season 3 animated project that’s getting made. Hell, someone’s doing a My Life as a Teenage Robot animation called, “X-J9 and the Cat,” and I really wanna see that! It’s more inspiring to me. I don’t need or even want Nick to continue this show, at this point. That’s my tangent lol. Overall, while I personally feel this movie’s really great, I still respect your opinion and I am looking forward to more Mutant Mayhem’s take cause they really did knock it out of the park with that one. Really loved that movie.
I love how the Kraang in this movie represents the turtles in some way: they have Leo’s pride and speed, Raph’s strength and durability, Donnie’s intelligence and ego, and Mikey’s energy and personality. And they also have Raph and they need to save her
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It may be that I'm not a TMNT fan, but I honestly can't really see it being an issue for the show to be doing what it was doing with the whole "Surf Dracula" analogy when compared to other pieces of media that do the same thing. Especially because it did lend itself to some interesting stuff BEFORE what happened at the end.
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6:06 sorry? TMNT doesn't play with time travel often?? Are you nuts? the mirage comic did time travel, there was a whole turtles in time arcade game, the third movie is about time travel, 03 did time travel, IDW has done time travel so so SO many times! Renet is a reoccurring character in most iterations. Time travel is a TMNT Staple!
I love this movie. So much that I put Rise of the TMNT slightly higher than the very first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Action is quick, fluid, and exciting, and this version's Krangs are so threatening they're on par with 2003 Shredder (yohhhhhhhhhh). Mutant Mayhem is my 5th favorite, below Batman VS TMNT and Turtles Forever.
Get ready for 1990 movie fanboys invasion. I like first live action TMNT too, but if being honest Rise movie is the best example if you want to show TMNT movie as epic and memorable and overall the best TMNT movie so far. At the very least the craziness of these fight scenes is yet to be topped in 5-10, maybe even 15 years
@@ashesGeek Heh. So what's your top 5 TMNT movies? Rise looks to be your number 1 while the first TMNT movie is around somewhere. Maybe not on your 5 favorites?
@@pharaohyami5000 1. Rise movie 2. 2014 movie(I'm ready to fight tooth and nail with anybody about it) 3. 1993 TMNT 3 4. TMNT 2007 5. Batman vs TMNT First 90's live action movie is good and all, but I just have no desire to rewatch it anymore because of all these people saying "It's not as good as 90's movie". Also, the movie isn't dark at all like people try to claim it is, it's even more corny than 87 show despite relying on Mirage comics atmosphere.
@@ashesGeek People can say whatever, but never allow them to negatively affect your personal experiences. If you like it, like it. If they don't, suck it. I am curious on TMNT 3. What did that movie offer you that made it to your top 5 out of the other TMNT movies?
As a big fan of RotTMNT back in the day, i fully agree with this take - the s2 finale was a much better send off for Rise. For me personally, the biggest thing I disliked about the movie was the side lining and brutal treatment of Raph, as well as all the body horror and really disturbing imagery. It almost felt like they were going over the top simply because they could, but some of those bits with the Kraang really disturbed me. The movie really just came off as "how intense can we make this" moreso than "how fun can we make this?" Unfortunately, while some people in the fandom came up with some interesting post-movie ideas for art and fics, most of them just used what the movie did as an excuse to write/draw a bunch of TMNT angst and body horror of the turtles getting trapped in the prison dimension/dying/going through ptsd, etc. After seeing all that, I can't help but wish that the series really did end with just the series instead of the movie... the only thing I can really praise the movie for is the animation, Mikey getting to be a mystic badass, and Omar Benson Miller's incredible performance as Raph.
Going to be honest the same people who complain about the turtles getting magic powers are the same people who give Tmnt 2003 a pass because of nostalgia
I originally wasn't a fan of Rise of the TMNT mainly because I think we deserve an animated adaptation of the IDW series. But I did appreciate certain things about Rises, mainly the fight choreography. Raph being the leader made no sense and I didn't think these turtles were very likeable, they seemed super hyper and just hmmmm I don't know, It might be my age but i wanted something more adult from the TMNT, not liquor store and pornography adult, but something...else. Great video as always.
You make a lot of valid points, but I'm just going to say "agree to disagree". But, I've also been in the franchise for a long time and know the stories so well, that I didn't even notice the missing points in the movie, and still love it just as much as the series. On top of that, knowing the pure love they gave the series in their art, all the respect for that overwrites any real negative feelings I'd have (aside from Splinter, he could have been a little less... crazy lol)
I have like... a 3 to 5 hour in depth opinion/review of my own on the TMNT as a whole lol So much to be said but I'm not gonna write a novel in the comments
I just never could get into the art style for this iteration of the turtles. 2003 was the best, for me. RotTMNT always seemed to me like Tartakovsky meets Teen Titans Go (which might be peak awesomeness for some), not my thing.
Well, you may have reviewed all the TMNT movies and shows, but that just means it's time to review the various comic versions! Mirage Studios volume 1 is still my personal favorite.
Agreed 100%. As hyped as I was while watching the main series, the movie itself felt like an unnecessary side-story-- a real Toy Story 4 moment. If anything it felt more like a season premiere that sets up and introduces a lot of characters, but ends with too many things still left unexplored. A real shame, but at least the main series had a sense of finality as-is.
But that’s the point of Rise; they aren’t trained. The series deviates from normal tmnt, because it adds the very real plot of what it does mentally to a normal man when he’s mutated into a rat, and suddenly has to raise four kids! He was in his prime and didn’t want any of this. Everything about him is marinated in depression, so he couldn’t find the strength to train his sons. He barely raised them, making their personalities based on parental neglect, and how that affected the oldest (crushed by responsibility, only leader because biggest and oldest) , the two middle (adhd and autism, both feeling inadequate) and the youngest (shielded by his older brothers and a bit out of touch). Sorry for the rant, I just f’ing love Rise!!
@Dannytello9000 well it clearly failed because it felt really generic and so-so for a series trying to be emotional in that way. The TMNT are suppose to be regular ninjas. That's the point of the franchise! Any mystic or other stuff should only be added later on. This realism is what separates the franchise from every other superhero franchise. They already are heroes at the start of the series, so the title of the series feels very nonsensical, no matter what they're trying to convey with "rising". Not helping is that the characters practically feel like they have the same personality beyond plot stuff, and this is coming from someone who did watch the later episodes and movie. In terms of writing and faithfulness to the source material, it is kinda subpar. If you love Rise, good for you, but I can't see the appeal.
@@william3100 I see what you’re saying, but if nothing gets changed the franchise becomes stale and boring. I find it a little funny that you want realism, when 84 had a portal to dimension X in the first season, and 2012 had Kraang in the first episode… TMNT always had sci-fi and fantasy, Rise just leans a lot more towards fantasy with magic and mystic stuff. A lot of people who haven’t seen the entire series claim that their personalities are the same, but you need to spend time with them to get to know them. It is more of a comedy, so everyone is gonna be comedic, but they are also so much more. I’m not trying to change your mind or anything, I just wish more people would get the same joy from the show that I get. A lot of people on the spectrum (myself included) seem to love the show, so maybe it’s more for us?
@Dannytello9000 I meant realism in terms of the turtles themselves in how they fight crime. Instead of having super powers, they at least start off as normal ninjas and fight like normal ninjas with normal ninja weapons. If they get upgrades and go mystical or sci-fi with their weapons at some point, that's fine. But what makes the TMMT interesting was that they fought like mortals and were mutants as opposed to dashing-looking people in a way. You can add stuff to a franchise without stearing away from what it is. The movie and many parts of the series show off their personalities, and at best, they only have the slightest changes when it comes to plot. In terms of how they often show off their personalities and the humor they present, it all tends to bleed into each other. Even the beginning of a show tends to show the differences in the characters' personalities. If this show can't do that and rely on plot points to show "differences," that is a character writing problem. How the turtles present themselves and bounce off each other all feel like they share relatively the same personality with, at best, Raph feeling like a tough version of Mikey and Donnie being a smart version of Mikey and Leo feeling like a somewhat arrogant version of Mikey at times. They feel inseparable most of the time. The comedy of the show itself is also done in a kinda predictable and uninspired way, too. I don't mind more comedic turtles. Just make it good comedy. Sometimes, I get a laugh here and there, but it's mostly dry in that area. I like some of the ideas in the series, though. I like making the turtles look more different in appearance, though making them different species is unnecessary. Making the Krang an intimidating threat is cool, too, and the art style and fight scenes are pretty nice. There are things I do like about the series. It also did get slightly better as it went on. Personally, this series is meh to mediocre to me. It's not the worst or the best, and I think people both give too much hate and too much praise.
I feel like future Casey exists to give fans a sort of accurate version of the character because they didn't have time to do it with Casandra Like if they had an extra season they would have a few episodes about her becoming the hokey mask wearing vigilante from previous versions ,similar to the development they did with the rest of the cast, but since they only had a movie to finish things of they opted to make future Casey who is closer to his old portrayal since giving her a B plot would take up too much time in the movie
In defense of this movies Casey not being accurate to the character, I've heard it said that there was a lot of interference from greater powers forcing them to include a more recognizable Casey Jones. Which is just to say it was always implied to me that Cassandra was the genuine Casey Jones of the show and I think she's a really fun adaptation of the character. And the Casey from this movie could be seen as his own character. Especially because the mask he wears in this movie is his mom's mask from the present day, which further solidifies Cassandra as the real series Casey Jones for me.
I guess the difference between this show and most Surf's Dracula reboots is that Rise actually brings in something to compensate for pushing those other elements aside. I was looking way more forward to Baron Draxum, the weird underworld, the magic concepts, Splinter's past self and his girlfriend, than I was to the traditional elements that they did do.
So in other words, you clearly loved that terrible show for not being anything like what TMNT is associated with just because "it's different." And you wonder why most old-school fans hated this show.
@@thomasfredrickson6298 Well, if you're gonna be a gatekeeping douchebag about it I'd say fuck off. TMNT reinvents itself a lot, hell, Mutant Mayhem's pretty different as well and I love that shit.
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After me taking the time to watch the entire series, as I’d seen most episodes but definitely missed about a dozen or so, honestly this film was my favorite thing from this series (other than some of the multipart episodes). Idk Rise was fine, but it never gelled with me 100%
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Great video by the way.
You should review glitch techs that was a good show
LESS DIVISIVE??? Mutant Mayhem is arguably worse, we did not trade up we lost a precious gem of a show for intentional garbage looking visuals, EVEN younger turtles, them no longer hiding from the public, and my goodness their voices are super high pitch that they're just ear grating
Rise had quality and from watching how the animators talked about challenging themselves to improve by watching each others stuff you could see in the finished product how much talent they poured into giving us the best looking show they could possibly give, and now all we're left with is chicken scratches and baby turtles, can we please go back to everyone being an adult again?
The annoying thing with this movie is that executives wanted the movie to be accessible as possible. That's why we got casey instead of Cassandra, no draxam or yokai, and April kinda being a reporter.
Wasn't April already a reporter in the show? I can't recall, but actually in my personal opinion think that works very well for the movie. Anyone can jump in at that point even though it's way better to watch the show in. That is how it should be. You can still watch it and enjoy it. For what you see it as and it's not like it really hurts the show like at all or even the writing within it. Nothing ever really feels forced in here or it is pushed in just to make you feel like you're included since you didn't watch the show, but you're jumping in anyway And if we're being real here, we really don't need to see the same villains that were already dealt with in the show reuse
@marvelmaniacs1 not saying april being a reporter kind of is a bad thing, just saying it was mandated to attract more audiences. In the show,' she was just always hopping between jobs and getting her apartment wrecked.
Yeah, they cut a lot of cool cameos from the opening scene because of that.
yeah not having cassandra and all the rise of tmnt allies not be up in the movie was the dumbest thing because if the world is about to be taken over the world why not have the turtles allies be up in the movie to help them
The series may have its ups and downs, but that animation is always smooth and stunning
I'm glad they never once trimmed the budget.
I hope the studio lives forever
Flying Bark Studio is goated Lego Monkie kids is needed
I freaking love it! It’s so smooth, energetic, fast, and fluid
@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 apparently flying bark left Lego monkie kid for the 5th season sadly, a trailer was leaked and they announced it themselves
Just a reminder that the guy who storyboarded this film is going on to do the same for the upcoming third sonic film, that fact alone has me pretty hyped, anyone else?
Me me totally me, the choreography in sonic 2 was was pretty good now that sonic had something to go up against on his level instead of the drones so I can only imagine how they up the anti in the next installment
I hated the Sonic Movies personally, but maybe this way it'll at least be a cool spectacle.
@@PlayerZeroStart Hopefully the action is a lot better
That get's me a little giddy. The action won't be on Rise's level, but I hope he brings his A-game for Sonic 3.
He has to gotta go all in on Sonic vs Shadow
I actually have an answera lot of these questions!
They had a deal with Netflix that they HAD to make a movie. Before the originally promised 3 seasons were cut to 2 (or more like 1 and a half), the creators stated that season 2's villain would be the shredder, and season 3s would be the krang, and they even had plans for the rat king to be a potential season 4 villain. So basically they salvaged what they could to make this movie. They haven't really given up on the show yet and still say they could make another movie with the rat king as a villain. Honestly its really depressing that the show was cut when it was. The creators wanted a full 6 seasons, and it ended when it was just getting started
Yeah, I didn't understand Xavier saying that the show wrapped up all its loose ends. They had to truncate and shorten a lot of their stories and it's why the finale felt so rushed. There's still unsolved mysteries like Big Mama's enforcer, and Bishop and the EPF or underdeveloped plot points like Cassandra as Casey or the Krang's connection to the Yokai City. It's one thing to accept the show's death, but it still had a lot of life left in it.
No, actually. They intended for 3 seasons, not 6. In the case more content was requested, then Rat King would’ve been adapted.
@@spencerpayton5401 They wanted the 3 seasons at the least to tell the story they wanted to tell, but they've stated they thought they could have easily gone for 6
@@GamerSlyRatchet1 Big Mamam's enforcer was not something that needed to be delved into. It was just some tough guy. He wasn't a character.
@@bowserbreaker2515 The creators of the show disagree with you.
After giving it some thought, I think this might be my favorite out of the animated Turtles movie. It's not overly-complex like TMNT, and the comedy and dialogue doesn't feel like they rely 60% on references like Mutant Mayhem. It's the right amount of action, humor, and heart I could asks for in a Ninja Turtles film. Plus, the glow-up the Krang has is insane.
The jokes in Mutant Mayhem was for a very specific demographic, and from what I know, current teens liked it a lot. Mutant Mayhem still had a lot of heart and action (one of the best scenes, in fact), and it had the most gorgeous animation. It's still my favourite, because this movie tonally clashed with everything the series was. It was hard for me to believe this serious movie was in the same universe as a show that bombarded you with jokes every second.
Rise of the TMNT is the better TMNT animated movie to me it's such a beautiful movie
Same
@@MRNentertainment7122same its beautiful
Same its s good movie
I think we can all agree that the Rise version of the Krang are the best and terrifying versions of those characters
That's fine, I respect and understand you.😀
The more I think about it more I begin to think that the Rise movie is my favorite TMNT movie it's well animated, it's got a great voice cast, it's got some good character development with Leonardo, and unlike other TMNT movies it doesn't rely on pop culture references for jokes. It feels like a movie made for people like me.
- Eye candy animation
- Decent story but nothing too impressive
- Not really necessary.
My God, this movie is the equivalent of a non-canon anime movie
As someone who recently saw Spy x Family: Code White, I can confirm that’s a pretty accurate analysis.
(Code White was still amazing
though, go watch it if you haven’t.)
It especially reminds me of the dragon ball z movies the most with how it's handled
yeah kinda like the MHA movies (Two Hero's)
Basically the Teen Titans Trouble in Tokyo of TMNT
TMNT Trouble in New York
While the series had a better multi-part finale, I still appreciate giving this incarnation of the turtles some sort of send-off, while other integral side characters might be missing in a plot that would've basically needed their presence, this didn't end up being another Spectacular Spider-man with numerous unresolved plot-lines. We'll just have to see how the next TMNT series lives up to this
The rise of the TMNT truly did have a bit of a bad start at first due to it not feeling like an actual TMNT series. But as time passes, the series is now getting the respect it finally deserves due to its later episodes, but in the end, it was sadly too late for Rise when Nick pulled the plug. At least it got closure, thanks to the movie.
It tried to do something new. It succeeded but the fans failed to see that.
I think they struggled a bit with finding that perfect balance of action and comedy while having an ongoing story during the first half of season 1. I think they finally reached that balance once season 2 came out, but then that's when Nick decided to pull the plug and well, that's the fate of every cartoon cut before their time.
@@Elvusmiwyeah...i think the only problem is that it came out at the WRONG time, so many bad reboots had that exact generic art style and that were just comedies that shat in the source material came out that it really looked like ROTMNT was going to be the same, but turns out it was just a really good show that just needed some time. Oh well at least it gave us what's arguably the best TMNT movie ever which again is no small thing
I agree the series finale is a better way to end the story but for as basic as it was, I liked the story in the movie. Leo coming to grips with responsibility felt like a necessary chapter though it undercuts Raph's growth as a leader. It was a fun and worthwhile movie IMO.
Casey Jones has ALWAYS Been my favorite chatacter in the TMNT Franchise, that's why I was so greatful he Finally got the chance to be The Lead Character & Main Protagonist as it is in a Full Lenght Animated Film, & That's the reason why I ADORE SO MUCH This movie
Was wondering when the ROTTMNT movie was getting covered after rewatching the other TMNT videos
If it means anything, your video did make me and my boyfriend binge watch the show. We love it! It reminded us a lot of Transformers Animated and The Batman 2003.
Rise might be my favourite version of the TMNT. Despite being short-lived, I'm satisfied with what I got, the amount of episodes it has plus a movie is more than most cancelled black sheep shows in other franchises get.
So damn refreshing to see a Rise related video or post in general that isn't just screaming for a season 3. I agree fully with the idea Rise ended at a good spot and ngl Surfing Dracula is the best way to address the "flaws" of the series, cause its not an inherently bad setup, just not for every fan
Also god its so nice to hear someone also share the disappointment of Casey almost never being Casey Jones in any animated series, especially in Rise. I love Cassandra and like Casey Jr but they really aren't Casey Jones beyond vague hockey aesthetic. They made 03 Casey and never tried again lol
Legit, considering the stuff the Rise! Turtles are capable of. I think about how the other turtles would react.
Watching Mutant Mayhem, I can tell you that those turtles would be amazed and would compare it to the anime they watch. Maybe even note Rise! Leo sounds like Movie Sonic (Since same VA)
same VA for Sonic and Leo
Will there ever be a gritty TMNT show similar to the comics? I know there's some Last Ronin game or movie soon but ever a series based on the original comics?
Probably in like… 5-10 years? Probably not a show though. If there’s a gritty show it’ll be after more of the “newer” fans take the driving seat (by Newer Fans I mean folks who grew up in the Early 2000s)
I have a bucket list of shows and movies I wanna make, and a dark and gritty mirage comic style TMNT show is on that list. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Animated Series.
ROTTMNT reminds me of that ninja turtles game that came out in 2016 mutants in manhattan with all the flashy attacks and catchphrases
At least we're getting one more Rise of the TMNT story in the upcoming 40th Anniversary Special comic by Andy Suriano himself. It'll be a fairly short comic story, but still something to taste on.
Wait, what comic?
@@jordonthecookie It's called "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 40th Anniversary Comics Celebration, coming out in July. It reunites artists and writers from different TMNT eras for brand-new short stories. Some of those also include new stories set in the 2003, 2012, and Rise shows.
@@GamerSlyRatchet1 wait really?!? Where did you heard about it?
@@stopasking2441 Search for the official news articles. Andy Suriano is listed amongst the creators involved. Ciro Nieli and Lloyd Goldfine are also listed, and Nieli confirmed on Instagram he's doing a 2012 story. Make sense they're doing stories about the other shows.
Ngl, I fell in love with this version of Casey. This ragged little soldier, never being able to see his family again, loosing everything and everyone he ever knew and loved, only to end up with his family who still don't look at him as the same family he had, his quite possibly father figure doesn't look at him with the same care and love anymore, even though he's important to this version of Leo too...
I gotta disagree with having nothing more to him. His backstory was never properly laid out to us - he always had to fight to live in this movie - but he has a **** up past with an apocalyptic future and having the grown up, matured, stronger versions of our beloved characters as his only team and family, *and* he had to learn from Leo, of all turtles. He can have some of the best backstory in TMNT ever, if it's explained properly. Hell, even his recovery from his traumatic past and discovery of the modern, rich world, and learning to fit into it as a soldier of all things is going to be hella interesting and tear jerking (if it's done well).
Yeah, I need a full S3 about explaining his backstory and recovery, cause I need more! 😍😭
i watched rise my freshman year of college towards the start of it. I got really into it as one of my roommates was abusive, so the show became a comfort.
I loved it and on first watch the movie actually made me cry.
Feeling nostalgic I decided to rewatch the movie on a free night in my second year of uni. IDK if its cuz i was playing a game on my phone, but the movie just didnt give me that same feeling i got from the show that i had when i watched the film for the first time.
I loved it so much a year ago, i couldnt figure out why i didnt love it as much on my rewatch.
Ummm... TMNT has done time-travel stories ever since the original Mirage comics.
Dude the movie perfectly wraps up leos development into a proper responsible leader... It literally connects to the show.
First and foremost I wanna say your feelings towards the movie are completely valid, even if I don't personally agree with them. I can see where you're coming from.
I adore the ROTTMNT movie, I don't see it as simple as you do. The baseline plot is quite literally "find the key, stop the kraang" but this is ignoring Leo's whole journey throughout the movie. It wasn't that he was too egotistical to listen to his brothers, that was a front. He was scared of not being needed in the team so he wanted to do everything himself. He went from being the "faceman" (which even in the series he admits he sees as worthless to Hueso, saying he's nothing without his brothers) to being the leader, a huge jump in responsibility for him and one he is in no way used to. The movie's purpose was to follow leo growing into the leader he needed to be instead of just leaving it off as a "oh and blue is the leader now". The movie is about Leo. It's also about the strength of the Brothers' bond. That's what their "magic powers" represents. Their ninpo is their familial connection, something the Kraang temporarily severed. The fact that Leo was able to help them all regain their ninpo shows how he's grown as a leader throughout the movie.
Leo at the beginning of the movie didn't want to be useless, so he tried to do everything himself without listening to his team. He didn't want his anxiety about being useless show, so he made jokes and pretended to be egotistical. When Raph was taken, he was taking things way more serious but still had that thought that if he can't save raph by doing it all his way, then why is he even leader? Especially after he got him captured to begin with.
Leo at the end of the movie even still has remenents of that mindset. He listens to his team now, sure, but when his family is safe he goes right back to doing it himself again, especially since this is also something he blames himself for. He lost the key, he's the reason the Kraang are here, now he'll be the reason they're gone. So he sacrifices himself. There are two possibilities for why he did this: He believes in Mikey to make a portal and save him (though how would he know that Mikey could do that, all he heard Casey say was that F!Mikey made a time travel portal), or he still believes that his family doesn't need him. He listens to them now, he is a good leader now, but he still hasn't learned that they actually need him. "This isn't about me" as he says. Casey says this because it's not about Leo, as in it's not about him having to do everything. It's a team effort. He takes this as a "They don't need me".
Of course they do need him, and perhaps them saving him finally got that through his thick skull. Maybe he finally understands what Casey meant. Hopefully, lest he goes sacrificing himself again.
Overall, my view on the Rise movie is it's mostly about Leo's growth as a leader, something we did need after the series ended and something the series did lead up to. There are tons of moments throughout the series that show Leo being a good leader, he just doesn't realize it. He needed the movie to truly grow into his role.
Also, Casey Jr isn't supposed to be like the classic Casey, he isn't supposed to be Rise's Casey. Casey Sr is Rise's Casey. She just wasn't in the movie because of Nickelodeon wanting the movie to be more accessible, that's why almost none of the rise exclusive characters were included. It's a miracle they were able to include everyone's favorite gay couple, Warren and Hypno.
Overall, while I disagree with most of your points, I still enjoyed the video. Keep up with the good work!! You're allowed to dislike things
I felt that the movie is a good conclusion. With the show being an origin version, I felt like the whole Leo being the leader was the last missing connective bridge between the Leo we got and the traditional leader Leo. Creators themselves said that they didn’t build up his promotion as well as they’d like in the series so I would say, they did a good job fulfilling that with his noble sacrifice in the end while still retaining his core characteristics.
The 81 Spider-Man shows also debuted in the same day, much like Sonic SatAM and AoStH.
THE GOAT DROPPED A NEW VIDEO
I think I need clarification on whether Xavier saying that the TMNT franchise doesn't play with time travel a lot is a bit. Like they do it every other adaptation
I meant to say "doesn't play with too often lately" but misspoke and left it out. They used to do it way more, like with Turtles in Time, the third movie, and all the time scepter stuff in 2003. It's hard to be coherent while battling a virus, I was so sick when working on this video that it was very difficult to even figure out what I wanted to say.
@@GodzillaMendoza thank you for the clarification and response! loved the video, just thought that bit sounded off. It makes sense now
This is is basically 3rd season stuffed in one hour long movie.
I like how you can see that the animators are a lil rusty drawing these turtles designs over the movie because they start looking more on model at the end
At least we got one last story in that 40th Anniversary Special.
That Surf Dracula is the best analogy I’ve seen to sum up the comparison of TV shows in the past vs TV shows now. It reminds of a post I saw where TV Shows don’t have real filler episodes anymore and all the episodes in that season need to matter so people can keep binging and watching. Especially since most streaming shows have the 8-13 episode format instead of the 24 episode format.
I don’t see a lot of other people mention how fast these videos are coming out, it used to be every 2-3 months, now it’s every 10 days!
THEY DESERVED BETTER
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone throw any names out for The Krang from this movie, since the credits just call them Krang 1,2,&3. So I’ve always called the main one Krang Supreme and the other two Krang Brother and Krang Sister. I know they aren’t incredibly clever but it’s better than them just being called numbers.
3:15 Protip!! The same animation studio that made this also made Lego Monkie Kid, which has Sean Schemmel (English dub of Goku) as Sun Wukong the monkey king, has just as impressive fight choreography, if not more so!!
I came across this movie on netflix last year and I LOVED IT, I am a big fan of the turtles so i was very surprised I'd never heard of it!
If this was a video game ign would " this movie makes you feel the turtles truly has risen. Krang in this movie is truly a force to be reckoned with. Hes even powerful without his suit .
I just wish the Rise of TMNT series came back 😭
rip rise :( i will always love it
I actually really respect the movie for being able to balance the wire between satisfying diehard fans of the show and people who have never even watched Rise. I think almost any time a TV show gets a movie, the complaint is always, "only fans of the show will enjoy/understand this." Meanwhile I've also seen the other extreme. I've been a fan of Ninjago for as long as the show's been running, and when the time came for them to get a movie they sold their actual entire souls to make it "accessible for non-fans." They redesigned all the characters and changed all the VA's to be "cooler," they changed the entire premise, they basically made it a completely standalone film not even remotely similar to the show. The end result was that the existing Ninjago fandom was TICKED, and meanwhile the movie still didn't appeal to non-fans and was an overall flop.
But meanwhile with the Rise movie, they struck that incredibly difficult balance. They pared out pretty much all the show-specific plotlines and characters, sure; they narrowed it down to characters and themes that anyone with a passing knowledge of any TMNT iteration would recognize. They didn't confuse non-fans with all the show's unique cast or backstory. But at the same time, they kept the actors, they kept the animation style, they kept enough themes from the end of season 2 that it still very much felt connected to the show's world. It didn't feel like they were completely selling out to get a broader audience. I have a lot of respect for that.
And bonus point! Nearly every TMNT movie has featured a fight between Leo and Raph, but it's always been the same old theme of Leo being a stodgy leader type and Raph rejecting his authority. The Rise movie managed to keep the tradition of those two clashing, but like most things in this show they gave it a fresh new twist by making Raph the responsible one and Leo just too laid-back to care, rather than openly resenting him. Really appreciated that too.
I never got to watch the show, so the movie was my only experience. I do wonder why the show wasn’t put on Netflix so that people who watched the movie could also watch the show. That being said, the opening scene for the movie was truly awesome, and I would’ve loved if the entire movie was like that opening.
My only complaint of the movie is baron draxum some reason absent.
Having seen the movie before finishing the show I quite liked it on its own merits. True it doesn’t add to the series much but i think just another adventure with these versions of the characters is enough for me idk.
I didn’t really care for the the Rise series and I barely watched it. But when the movie came out i really enjoyed it
Finally Xavier uploads after all these years!
FINALLY! XAVIER HAS FINALLY UPLOADED AFTER ALL THESE YEARS!
I think the movie was really trying to get people to get into the show since most TMNT fans didn't really like the show, so they made something that would really fit with what people would assume a TMNT movie with these character designs would be like without knowing anything else about the show.
Think the only thing that makes me “mad” about Rise is the fact Nick is just ignoring it so hard, like that recent promo for Tales of the TMNT, where they showed every other cartoon, except for Rise. Just feels weird to me.
Also, and I know this’ll sound odd, but I’d rather see this iteration continued through fan projects and AU’s, then if Nick were to make more. It’s more interesting to me to see fans come up with some crazy stories to give these characters more depth and arcs I didn’t even know I wanted to see. Like that Season 3 animated project that’s getting made. Hell, someone’s doing a My Life as a Teenage Robot animation called, “X-J9 and the Cat,” and I really wanna see that! It’s more inspiring to me. I don’t need or even want Nick to continue this show, at this point.
That’s my tangent lol. Overall, while I personally feel this movie’s really great, I still respect your opinion and I am looking forward to more Mutant Mayhem’s take cause they really did knock it out of the park with that one. Really loved that movie.
I feel bad for Rise of the Teenage mutant ninja Turtle. I hate that Nickolodeon treated it like shit and never gave it a chance.
I love how the Kraang in this movie represents the turtles in some way: they have Leo’s pride and speed, Raph’s strength and durability, Donnie’s intelligence and ego, and Mikey’s energy and personality. And they also have Raph and they need to save her
I mean him
Huh, I don't think I've ever seen anybody this down on the Rise movie before.
It's...refreshing?
I really like the movie. I understand your problems, but I do really like the emotional beats, the characters, and the climax.
hey discovered your channel by watching other comics related vidoes. good work amazed to see youve been at this since hs 6 plus years ago, keep up the good work. but...dont end up like other comic book channels on her xp
I should've gave this series a chance, I'm glad the animators are doing good work with Monkie Kid.
That Krang Designs look really cool!
i feel that it would've been perfect if it wasn't the series finale
It may be that I'm not a TMNT fan, but I honestly can't really see it being an issue for the show to be doing what it was doing with the whole "Surf Dracula" analogy when compared to other pieces of media that do the same thing. Especially because it did lend itself to some interesting stuff BEFORE what happened at the end.
The same animation as Lego Monkie Kid and after watching that lego show I have been trying to find how and where I can watch Rise.
Your Channel reminds me about my time in BurgerKing, i always watched your vids when i was on my break and it just matched so good
Love your vids❤
(Sorry for my English i’m not fluent)
6:06 sorry? TMNT doesn't play with time travel often?? Are you nuts? the mirage comic did time travel, there was a whole turtles in time arcade game, the third movie is about time travel, 03 did time travel, IDW has done time travel so so SO many times! Renet is a reoccurring character in most iterations.
Time travel is a TMNT Staple!
We will not stand for the Renet erasure!!!
This movie is amazing, and the shiw deserved so much better than what it was given.
HOLY SHIT AFTER THE PAST 17 YEARS YOU HAVE FINALLY RETURNED!!!!!!!
his last video was like ten days ago lmfao
I love this movie. So much that I put Rise of the TMNT slightly higher than the very first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Action is quick, fluid, and exciting, and this version's Krangs are so threatening they're on par with 2003 Shredder (yohhhhhhhhhh).
Mutant Mayhem is my 5th favorite, below Batman VS TMNT and Turtles Forever.
Get ready for 1990 movie fanboys invasion. I like first live action TMNT too, but if being honest Rise movie is the best example if you want to show TMNT movie as epic and memorable and overall the best TMNT movie so far. At the very least the craziness of these fight scenes is yet to be topped in 5-10, maybe even 15 years
@@ashesGeek Heh. So what's your top 5 TMNT movies? Rise looks to be your number 1 while the first TMNT movie is around somewhere. Maybe not on your 5 favorites?
@@pharaohyami5000 1. Rise movie
2. 2014 movie(I'm ready to fight tooth and nail with anybody about it)
3. 1993 TMNT 3
4. TMNT 2007
5. Batman vs TMNT
First 90's live action movie is good and all, but I just have no desire to rewatch it anymore because of all these people saying "It's not as good as 90's movie". Also, the movie isn't dark at all like people try to claim it is, it's even more corny than 87 show despite relying on Mirage comics atmosphere.
@@ashesGeek People can say whatever, but never allow them to negatively affect your personal experiences. If you like it, like it. If they don't, suck it.
I am curious on TMNT 3. What did that movie offer you that made it to your top 5 out of the other TMNT movies?
@@ashesGeekwhy the hell would you put the micheal bay turtles in second this proves you hardly understand TMNT at all
Finally Xavier uploads again after all these years!!
As a big fan of RotTMNT back in the day, i fully agree with this take - the s2 finale was a much better send off for Rise. For me personally, the biggest thing I disliked about the movie was the side lining and brutal treatment of Raph, as well as all the body horror and really disturbing imagery. It almost felt like they were going over the top simply because they could, but some of those bits with the Kraang really disturbed me. The movie really just came off as "how intense can we make this" moreso than "how fun can we make this?"
Unfortunately, while some people in the fandom came up with some interesting post-movie ideas for art and fics, most of them just used what the movie did as an excuse to write/draw a bunch of TMNT angst and body horror of the turtles getting trapped in the prison dimension/dying/going through ptsd, etc. After seeing all that, I can't help but wish that the series really did end with just the series instead of the movie... the only thing I can really praise the movie for is the animation, Mikey getting to be a mystic badass, and Omar Benson Miller's incredible performance as Raph.
RISE RISE RISE
You should consider making your own original comic or series. I feel like you’d actually do something cool with how smart these videos are
Going to be honest the same people who complain about the turtles getting magic powers are the same people who give Tmnt 2003 a pass because of nostalgia
Finally Xavier uploads again after all these years
I'm excited to see where the new Tales of the TMNT series will take us. Rip Rise tho, it definitely deserved better.
Hey the goat uploaded
I originally wasn't a fan of Rise of the TMNT mainly because I think we deserve an animated adaptation of the IDW series. But I did appreciate certain things about Rises, mainly the fight choreography. Raph being the leader made no sense and I didn't think these turtles were very likeable, they seemed super hyper and just hmmmm I don't know, It might be my age but i wanted something more adult from the TMNT, not liquor store and pornography adult, but something...else. Great video as always.
I didn’t know the spider man guy made other content
One day you all will listen to me talk about how this movie is a modern retelling of a greek tragedy
hell im game. go ahead, make the video.
You make a lot of valid points, but I'm just going to say "agree to disagree". But, I've also been in the franchise for a long time and know the stories so well, that I didn't even notice the missing points in the movie, and still love it just as much as the series. On top of that, knowing the pure love they gave the series in their art, all the respect for that overwrites any real negative feelings I'd have (aside from Splinter, he could have been a little less... crazy lol)
I have like... a 3 to 5 hour in depth opinion/review of my own on the TMNT as a whole lol So much to be said but I'm not gonna write a novel in the comments
I just never could get into the art style for this iteration of the turtles. 2003 was the best, for me.
RotTMNT always seemed to me like Tartakovsky meets Teen Titans Go (which might be peak awesomeness for some), not my thing.
Well, you may have reviewed all the TMNT movies and shows, but that just means it's time to review the various comic versions! Mirage Studios volume 1 is still my personal favorite.
Agreed 100%. As hyped as I was while watching the main series, the movie itself felt like an unnecessary side-story-- a real Toy Story 4 moment. If anything it felt more like a season premiere that sets up and introduces a lot of characters, but ends with too many things still left unexplored. A real shame, but at least the main series had a sense of finality as-is.
The thing that always made me dislike Rise of the TMNT is how the trained ninja still need magic weapons to win fights. Even against normal thugs.
But that’s the point of Rise; they aren’t trained. The series deviates from normal tmnt, because it adds the very real plot of what it does mentally to a normal man when he’s mutated into a rat, and suddenly has to raise four kids! He was in his prime and didn’t want any of this. Everything about him is marinated in depression, so he couldn’t find the strength to train his sons. He barely raised them, making their personalities based on parental neglect, and how that affected the oldest (crushed by responsibility, only leader because biggest and oldest) , the two middle (adhd and autism, both feeling inadequate) and the youngest (shielded by his older brothers and a bit out of touch).
Sorry for the rant, I just f’ing love Rise!!
@Dannytello9000 well it clearly failed because it felt really generic and so-so for a series trying to be emotional in that way. The TMNT are suppose to be regular ninjas. That's the point of the franchise! Any mystic or other stuff should only be added later on. This realism is what separates the franchise from every other superhero franchise. They already are heroes at the start of the series, so the title of the series feels very nonsensical, no matter what they're trying to convey with "rising".
Not helping is that the characters practically feel like they have the same personality beyond plot stuff, and this is coming from someone who did watch the later episodes and movie. In terms of writing and faithfulness to the source material, it is kinda subpar. If you love Rise, good for you, but I can't see the appeal.
@@jalocool2807 I'm glad you like it. I have no hate for anyone that likes something I don't. Sorry if I came out a little harsh in my comment.
@@william3100 I see what you’re saying, but if nothing gets changed the franchise becomes stale and boring. I find it a little funny that you want realism, when 84 had a portal to dimension X in the first season, and 2012 had Kraang in the first episode… TMNT always had sci-fi and fantasy, Rise just leans a lot more towards fantasy with magic and mystic stuff.
A lot of people who haven’t seen the entire series claim that their personalities are the same, but you need to spend time with them to get to know them. It is more of a comedy, so everyone is gonna be comedic, but they are also so much more.
I’m not trying to change your mind or anything, I just wish more people would get the same joy from the show that I get.
A lot of people on the spectrum (myself included) seem to love the show, so maybe it’s more for us?
@Dannytello9000 I meant realism in terms of the turtles themselves in how they fight crime.
Instead of having super powers, they at least start off as normal ninjas and fight like normal ninjas with normal ninja weapons. If they get upgrades and go mystical or sci-fi with their weapons at some point, that's fine. But what makes the TMMT interesting was that they fought like mortals and were mutants as opposed to dashing-looking people in a way.
You can add stuff to a franchise without stearing away from what it is. The movie and many parts of the series show off their personalities, and at best, they only have the slightest changes when it comes to plot. In terms of how they often show off their personalities and the humor they present, it all tends to bleed into each other. Even the beginning of a show tends to show the differences in the characters' personalities. If this show can't do that and rely on plot points to show "differences," that is a character writing problem.
How the turtles present themselves and bounce off each other all feel like they share relatively the same personality with, at best, Raph feeling like a tough version of Mikey and Donnie being a smart version of Mikey and Leo feeling like a somewhat arrogant version of Mikey at times. They feel inseparable most of the time.
The comedy of the show itself is also done in a kinda predictable and uninspired way, too. I don't mind more comedic turtles. Just make it good comedy. Sometimes, I get a laugh here and there, but it's mostly dry in that area.
I like some of the ideas in the series, though. I like making the turtles look more different in appearance, though making them different species is unnecessary. Making the Krang an intimidating threat is cool, too, and the art style and fight scenes are pretty nice. There are things I do like about the series. It also did get slightly better as it went on.
Personally, this series is meh to mediocre to me. It's not the worst or the best, and I think people both give too much hate and too much praise.
I disagree that Mutant mayham is a fair trade with the way they are treating romtmnt but I am fine with Mutamt mayham it self
The '12 series treated the Kraang as a genuine threat too.
Hope. A ninja''s greatest weapon...
I feel like future Casey exists to give fans a sort of accurate version of the character because they didn't have time to do it with Casandra
Like if they had an extra season they would have a few episodes about her becoming the hokey mask wearing vigilante from previous versions ,similar to the development they did with the rest of the cast, but since they only had a movie to finish things of they opted to make future Casey who is closer to his old portrayal since giving her a B plot would take up too much time in the movie
In defense of this movies Casey not being accurate to the character, I've heard it said that there was a lot of interference from greater powers forcing them to include a more recognizable Casey Jones.
Which is just to say it was always implied to me that Cassandra was the genuine Casey Jones of the show and I think she's a really fun adaptation of the character. And the Casey from this movie could be seen as his own character.
Especially because the mask he wears in this movie is his mom's mask from the present day, which further solidifies Cassandra as the real series Casey Jones for me.
I guess the difference between this show and most Surf's Dracula reboots is that Rise actually brings in something to compensate for pushing those other elements aside. I was looking way more forward to Baron Draxum, the weird underworld, the magic concepts, Splinter's past self and his girlfriend, than I was to the traditional elements that they did do.
So in other words, you clearly loved that terrible show for not being anything like what TMNT is associated with just because "it's different."
And you wonder why most old-school fans hated this show.
@@thomasfredrickson6298 Well, if you're gonna be a gatekeeping douchebag about it I'd say fuck off. TMNT reinvents itself a lot, hell, Mutant Mayhem's pretty different as well and I love that shit.
0:24 or he-man
This show deserved soooo much better. Nickelodeon really is just depending on spongebob to keep the entirety of Viacom alive.
I always get mad at the end of GodzillaMendoza’s videos because he will always comment that people will comment “finally an upload after all these years” even though I haven’t seen such a comment for months.
Seriously though change the ending up it’s annoying
After me taking the time to watch the entire series, as I’d seen most episodes but definitely missed about a dozen or so, honestly this film was my favorite thing from this series (other than some of the multipart episodes). Idk Rise was fine, but it never gelled with me 100%
It IS peak. Not only are the Krangtrom the best in the series, this is the *only* TMNT movie to not shaft Donatello and Michelangelo.
The original 90s film would like to have a word with you
if it was peak tmnt fans wouldnt be ignoring its existence
I never even thought it rose😂
Strongly disagree. Too heartwarmin to undermine. Top 3 Turtles movie at least.
At least the movies is pretty decent to watch if you have nothing to do.🐱
Oh nice a new video soon
After 19 years of hiatus
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I gotta agree with you
I loved the show and I like the movie but it really just felt like an extra long episode
It’s still a good movie though