Consider the Atheist
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- Madelyn Murray O'Hair speaking at a convention of American Atheists in 1972.
On May 5th, 2014, the U.S. Supreme Court discarded both clauses of the 1st Amendment. This ruling not only establishes a state religion, but it also forces non-Christians to bow their head to the Christian god as part of government business. This week, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court also overturned earlier rulings such that the state may now force non-Christian students to recite the pledge of allegiance including the phrase 'under God' which was added to the pledge decades in 1957. Thus the state has established a religion, and at that moment is already violating human rights with it. There can be no freedom OF religion without freedom FROM religion, and the US has just proved that -again. In recognition of this travesty, I want to share the words of Madelyn Murray O'Hair, founder of American Atheists, who warned us against this very eventuality. Her speech needs to be heard by a larger audience.
The fact that this holds so true now is ridiculous, she speaks to me directly and I hear her.
She called out the future so accurately, it's uncanny.
She was incorrect claiming that the God being pushed is "white" i.e. European. It is a Jewish i.e. levantine God. Christianity destroyed the native religions of Europe, and Christians see Jews as the chosen people, not themselves.
“I'll tell you what you did with Atheists for about 1500 years. You outlawed them from the universities or any teaching careers, besmirched their reputations, banned or burned their books or their writings of any kind, drove them into exile, humiliated them, seized their properties, arrested them for blasphemy. You dehumanised them with beatings and exquisite torture, gouged out their eyes, slit their tongues, stretched, crushed, or broke their limbs, tore off their breasts if they were women, crushed their scrotums if they were men, imprisoned them, stabbed them, disembowelled them, hanged them, burnt them alive.
And you have nerve enough to complain to me that I laugh at you.” ― Madalyn Murray O'Hair
Thank you! I've been looking all over for that quote!
"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these christians believe they are acting in the name of god, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." - Barry Goldwater
I think that's the first time I've ever agreed with anything Goldwater said.
2017 - Trump and Pence in the white house, how do you feel now? :/
@@kokofan50 crazy right? I was like nah he didn't say that
And look at what they are doing now...
@@Defensive_Wounds Tell you in November ( 2020 )
44 years, and we're still sitting on our asses.
At least we're doing something now.
Writing comments on youtube isn't much, but it's as much nothing as creationism is a theory.
MosesBad He is most likely some religious fanatic passing for an ex-atheists
MosesBad That line of thought has many branches. Why do they need to help an omnipresent god's presence? Why do they need to defend an omnipotent god?
It's oxymoronic.
***** 1. Prove there is a god. Then realize that if you take that position, then ANYTHING goes, because anyone can come around and say MY god says to kill you.
How about you actually start thinking for YOURSELF? Figure out what is right or wrong and then act on that?
@Colonel List Grüber who's decision? Odins? Zeus'?
I feel like she's speaking to me. This recording was made in my birth year, and I don't know how I've gone nearly half a century without hearing it. Thank you Aron.
For someone that gets labeled with such severe labels most times I see her mentioned in our media, Madelyn sure sounds like a damn American patriot to me.
It would benefit every American to listen to this speech.
It would better to remember how she died.
I just looked it up, omg, that was brutal. And her son William, he sounds like a real pos.
Thomas McEwen she was strangled and dismembered.
vidviewer23 not all Americans the whole world would benefit from her speech!
vidviewer23 why did she have to interfere with prayer in our schools in the first place.
This blows me away! Thank you for sharing this, Aron!
Every American should hear this as early as possible, before it is too late, if it is not already...
"treaties are the highest law of our land"
except when dealing with native Americans, then they are conveniently ignored.
Or Iran, and the whole world if a republican happens to be in power...
I was at that Convention and several others, and spoke with Madalyn many times. She was true to her convictions and instilled in many of us not only a thorough reason for atheism, but a deep knowledge of the importance of keeping religion at bay in all manner of society. Her death was a terrible loss to the cause of reason.
Ever hear her oldest son's account about growing up in the O Hare household?? A sad story indeed!!
It's incredible that no matter how much time has passed, the wisdom in these words still remains relevant.
I remember hating her when I was a believer, because the media (of the time) had told me that I should.
She was referred to as being "The Most Hated Woman in America"!
Years ago, when I finally woke up to reality I realized that she was really a hero!
But by that time she had dropped out of the spotlight.
I enjoyed hearing her speak, today, for the first time.
She was a anti-gay atheist & gay atheist know this fact about her! She wrote something about this on May 20 1976 about some gay group in California when gays were fighting for their rights & what she said was not casual about gays! She seemed to view homosexuality very negative!!!!!
@@RonSafreed
Why are you telling me this?
I don't give a shit about Gays, one way or the other!
It is regrettable that I was raised to hate this woman. But now I am grateful to have the opportunity to learn from her words. Thanks for posting this.
You ever hear her oldest son's account about growing up in that O Hare household?? It is a sad & pathetic story!!
Thank you for uploading this, I've never heard of this woman or her speeches. I have such respect for her and I've only known her for just under an hour. I love how brutally honest she is, I respect that in a person.
My mother complained about Ms. O'Hare on a regular basis.
Her death was a huge tragedy which gave such joy to the pious. Shameful
Those final words hit the hardest.
"Religion will come out stronger for this, it's period of strife, because it has no enemy. The Atheist is gutless."
Wow, wow...wow...Just...wow. I can't believe this was over 40 years ago. Madelyn is now my hero.
BTW she was a anti-gay atheist & many gay atheist know this fact about her!!!!!
@@RonSafreed damn thats unfortunate, she is right though the athiest is gutless
@@TabbyVee speak for yourself. Atheists are no less gutless than theists. In fact, atheists have more guts, as religion has poisoned the world, and to stand against it, takes guts
I am 46 she has been my here 40 years
@@RonSafreed but I bet she could be shown she was wrong by intellectual discussion and change her mind
"Mad" Madelyn O'Hair...what an articulate and perceptive individual. Love this speech especially.
A brilliant and courageous woman far ahead of her time!
What a tragic ending she and her family faced. I hope she is remembered for speeches like this. She was 100% correct in her educated predictions of the future of the US. We do need to get off of our asses in greater numbers. AronRa is one great example.
Ever hear her oldest son's account about growing up in the O Hare household?? A sad story indeed!!
@@RonSafreed Yes, but that has nothing to do with the bigger picture.
Madelyn's words are as accurate today as they were when she spoke them in the past.
With all due respect, there have been changes in attitude, in recent times, thanks to Dawkins, Hitchins, Dennet, Harris, Aron Ra, Thunderfoot, DPR Jones, et al.
I personally speak out against religion. Not to audiences, but to people with religious faith. It is hard, though. Like banging your head against a brick wall.
And political correctness puts a spanner in the works, especially in the work place. Have you ever tried discussing the stupidity of religion at work, with a colleague who has religious beliefs? If you're not careful, you could get into trouble with your employer.
If you try to discuss it with a muslim, you could get murdered.
43:55 "And it's a war. It's a war in which we need to reach the mass of people, with the sophisticated instruments of mass communication".
The internet.
which is getting fucked over as well..
Shangori Meh, all is not lost. As opposed to the vast majority of previous forms of mass communication, the internet allows its users, or at least those that are willing, to check sources and compare and contrast opposing viewpoints. While nothing is perfect, the internet is at least an improvement on mass communication even as it existed in O'Hair's time.
***** I think i heard a saying once talking about the internet that i think is relevant to this thread
"The Internet: Where Religions come to die"
Tank Head Religion is on the Internet as well and thriving, "while Atheists sit on their asses."
+Old Man from Scene Twenty Four Internet is the most disadvantageous field that religion ever stepped on. They cant silence everyone here, they cant spread their lies without being refuted soon and they cant demonize anyone. They sure try but they are not able to maintain their ground, this is a face to face fight now, something that religion never did.
Religion always relied on hide behind their fanatical mobs and use them to intimidate and harrass the dissenters, on the internet they cant anymore. Without that their fall is near.
Thank you Aron Ra for posting this important speech by an American hero!
Wow!! I will never deny my atheism again. This is the best speech I have ever listened to regarding secularism in America.
Jodi, she was a anti-gay atheist & gay atheist know this fact about her & why was she?
@@RonSafreed She lived in another time and I’m sure she’d think differently nowadays.
Jodi ever hear her oldest son William's account of growing up in the O Hare household?? It is a sad & pathetic story!! BTW he was an atheist until 34 years of age!!
I am from the UK and I have never heard of this lady previously. She is fucking brilliant.
She was murdered a few years ago... otherwise, we'd have much more from her. You're correct though... she's brilliant
Francois Meilleur Such a wonderful speaker. How sad that she has gone. I must check he out. I can see from the items i watch on outube that the churchs are trying to take over totally in the USA. I really cannot understand that in the 21st century so many people still believe such nonesense
Michael Sleight I'm Canadian... and I weep for my southern neighbours... and I shudder that my government isn't too far behind...
***** do you mean you were taken in by religion or taken in by what she said?
Look up Murray vs. Curlett; sought to prohibit Bible reading in the Baltimore public schools as an unconstitutional activity. Won!!
Thanks for uploading this, Aron. I'd heard of her but never heard her speak before. What an imposing character. Imagine if she was around today? Wow, she would make mincemeat of the likes of Hovind, Craig etc. I'm pretty sure we're in a different place to 1972. There's more of a voice out there. May it become louder!
She was a anti-gay atheist & gay atheist know this about her!!!!!!
Ever hear of her oldest son's account of growing up in the O hare household?? A sad story indeed!!
Wow. I've never heard her speak before. What a power house.
She was a anti-gay atheist & gay atheist know this fact about her!!!!!
Ever read of her oldest son William's account about growing up in that house & she as his mother????? She was no good mother & BTW William was an atheist for 33 years until 1980!
@@RonSafreed ...and Ron Reagan's son is a liberal and an atheist. Rebelling against êxpectations to be like their influential parents is common. Preacher's children very often rebel against being êxpected to be perfềctly well-behaved and pious, by being disobedient ánd "sinful".
So what?
@@RonSafreed Madalyn Murray O’Hair had a rather extreme response to her son becoming religious; a shameful response, a disgusting response - but you will find no atheist texts or books or doctrines (because so such text, book, or doctrine exists) that advocate this sort of response. This was 100% Mrs O’Hair’s choice and reflects on her as a person, not on her disbelief in God, and not on anybody else on the planet who shares her disbelief.
Theists have disowned members of their families for becoming atheists. They’ve also killed others for becoming atheists. You will find plenty of passages in religious texts where such a response is advocated, even demanded.
@@RonSafreed
Sounds almost like you're conflating a lack of belief in God(s) to some expected moral standard. To be clear you don't need to be religious to be homophobic it just guarantees that you most likely are.
Thank you Aron for this video. She is my new hero. She is hard as nails, a no bullshit, straight talker.
Ever read her oldest son William's account about growing up in that house & she as his mother? Tell you she was no good mother & William was an atheist 33 years of his life until 1980!!!!
Hey what was the percentage of the population that was atheist in colonial America (1619-1776)???
I come back and re-listen every year or so. I learn something new every time I do.
Me too.
She calls them cowards, and they applaud. I wish I could have known this woman.
her twitter would be legendary if she was around today haha.
TheDriftingsmoke good thing she isn't.
@@iamthatiamiamthatiam2942 You're a repugnant scumbag. Go fuck off and talk to the voices in your head, you willfully ignorant nutjob
Redman She should’ve focused her attention on her atheist murderer/friend for the thirty pieces of gold.. 🧐 Judas betrayed Jesus with a 💋 kiss.. She didn’t even get a kiss .
@@angieh4534 Fuck off
@@Bowl01986
Thats rude as hell buddy
Very inspirational. It's a little scary how well she hit the nail on the head with her predictions for the future.
what an amazing speech! i remember growing up in my christian family how they demonized this woman! as a young adult i was convinced she represented evil on earth . i am 60 yrs. now an educated scientist and atheist and this is the first real taste i have ever heard of her and am blown away! this lady was pure awesomeness! we could sure use her now! such a shame and we all know her disappearance just shows the true christians inner workings!
Russell ever hear her oldest son's account (William) about growing up in that house & ole Madelyn as his mother?? I have & it is a sad & pathetic story!! BTW William was an atheist until 33-34 years of age His mother took his first daughter away from him (Robin) born in 1965!! He was drafted into the army & spent 4 years in Vietnam (1965-1969)!! His 2nd daughter Jade was born in (1977)!1 His mother use to go to porno theatres in I believe Baltimore in the fifties & come home & explain the sexual scenes to William & his younger brother John & boasted how she was the only woman in the porno theatre!!
@@RonSafreed if it is true what you say then that is indeed sad. that said, it does not diminish the quality and truth of this speech of hers. it is absolutely righteous and right on! she spoke truth to power and that is ALWAYS something to be recognized for. imho.
@@fableslayer, back in the seventies when I was a teen, I was going agnostic with ever increasing thoughts on atheism!! However preaching on modern Isreal being fulfilled Bible prophecy in 1948 stopped me. Since 1948 other things have happened, like getting back Jerusalem in 1967!! Hebrew not only being revived but becoming a national language once again!1 The only archaic language to do this!! Back say 120 years ago most Jews did not speak, read or write Hebrew, now 9-10 million now speak it!! Soon the Jews & Isreal will have a temple, priesthood & animal sacrifice, something they have not had in nearly 2000 years since 70 A.D. when Rome destroyed their 2nd-temple!! The 1878 years of the Jews wandering the nations (70-1948 A.D.) was fulfilled Bible prophecy!! Soon the Jews will come to accept Jesus Christ/Yeshua as the promised Messiah!! Something that they as a nation should have done 2000 years ago but did not but soon they will!! This is when J.C./Yeshua will come back to this earth at Jerusalem to save them from extermination & set up His Millenial kingdom on this earth!!
@@RonSafreed wow! it really saddens me that there are still so many people who prefer to still cling to this belief system based on the superstitions, fairy tales and lunacy of iliterate iron age goatherders from the least developed area of our planet! science, history, archaeology and just plain common sense and reason are slowly proving more and more every day just how ridiculous it all is! it is a cult of slavery and death at its core! and with an end of the world apocalypse as part of their story and with so many actually preferring to look forward to it instead of embracing life and discovery and furthered understanding of the world and its future it is now one of the biggest threats to our species! its so sad that man will probably destroy himself before he could overcome this evil desire for death and destruction over life! religion MUST be destroyed for man to live! the bible is absolutely and purely bullshit at every level! i hope that someday you nwill educate yourself to the truth! good luck!
@@RonSafreed Jeez, all this is in your head...Jesus ain't coming back, but you can keep hoping
She hit the nail on the head. I wish she was alive to today to just how true her predictions were. Great woman. Great mind. She is truly missed.
She drove people crazy by saying Gawd instead of God. I love her for it.
Thomas Sperduti 11:25 I wonder if that was an intentional swipe or her regular speaking pattern. Listen to how she says the word “body” as “bawdy.”
She was a anti-gay atheist & gay atheist know this fact about her!!!!!
@@RonSafreed source?
@@RonSafreed Who cares? Same stupid emotional moral superiority BS as the Christians to manipulate others. People are free to like and dislike whomever they chose to for their own reasons, the problem is trying to control the thoughts and beliefs of others.
Ever hear of her oldest son William's account on growing up in that household?? It is a sad & pathetic story!! BTW William was an atheist until about 34 years of age!!
I wish Netflix had made a film focused on her life, not it's end. This speech was quite moving.
Dawkins: These aren't the droids you're looking for.
Theist: These aren't the droids we're looking for.
Dawkins: He can go about his business.
Theist: You can go about your business.
Dawkins: Move along.
Theist: Move along... move along.
Dawkins: Theism can have a strong influence on the weak minded
And it really shows...
Wow, 1972. If she wasn't dead one could say that came out last week!
Justjack ever read her oldest son William's account of growing up in that house & she as his mother???? Justjack it is a sad & pathetic story, she was no good mother at all !!!!!!
RonSafreed I’ve read excerpts and yeah, she was a raging bitch and not a very nurturing mother. Speaking was clearly her calling and her pioneering work can not be ignored nor nullified over her shortcomings in other areas.
@@loudtim265 , yet you atheists criticize Christians for any imperfections & call them hypocrites & BTW William & his mother had a falling out over various things three plus years before he became a Christian in 1980 at age 33.
@@thetruthexistsanditsnotyou2448, William said if he tried to call his mother, brother John & his daughter Robin, they would hang up the phone on him time after time as he called them! If he wrote them letters, they would rip up the letters & mail the paper shreds back to him & BTW he & his mother had a big falling out 3 years before he became a Christian in 1980 at age 33, when he was still an atheist!!
@@thetruthexistsanditsnotyou2448, remember for 15 years after he became a Christian in 1980, HE tried to reach out & communicate with them but until the end his mother, younger brother & daughter rejected him time after time! I remember an interview with Madylin in the early eighties & a question was brought up to her about her son William & she said to the journalist that she does not talk about her relationship with William & she never did after that until she was killed !!!!
An appropriate video for Mother's day, as she was certainly one of the most influential female atheists I know. She was a fabulous orator and an brutally honest free-thinker. What an excellent tribute. Thank you for this upload.
Brad, ever read her oldest son William's account about growing up in that house? Brad it is a sad & pathetic story what he & his younger brother went through!!!!!
I am in tears. At this moment, I am an extremely distressed, below average ape, who is experiencing some extreme evolutionary emotions. Courage, mixed perfectly with absolute fear? Is it demonstrative outrage, arm in arm with hopeless surrender? For me, the words spoken so beautifully, and precisely in this video, are that type of, "seeing the light" moment that all christians recall. I was raised (indoctrinated) penticostal, but I left religion at around 17. I am going to have my folks watch this with me, so they might understand exactly what I am, not because of what I "believe". This will break down a wall we've struggled with. This video ALSO needs to be broadcast EVERYWHERE RIGHT NOW! She's sort of like, dare I say it, prophesying! Heh, anyway, thank you Aron!!
This was very intense and I'm glad I listened to it.
Two words. Fucking phenomenal!
I'm sure I sound ignorant here, but this being the first time I heard this woman speak, I have a new hero alongside my others. What a powerful speech!
Thank you for sharing AronRa, You threw gas on the fire in my belly!
Aron,
I thank you very much for posting this. I have a greater respect for this woman.
She is beautiful! I never knew of Madelyn Murray O'Hair but she makes me proud to be a female Atheist.
No such thing as a "female atheist" any more than there are "male atheists", we are just atheists, full stop.
In a letter written in the 1760s, the English essayist Bonnell Thornton wrote: "Good God! A Female Atheist! … One is not half so shocked at the idea of a Female Murderer; A Female Murderer, in the worse of senses, of her own children, of herself." This is a quote I find all too often in my reading of Theists and conservatives.
So, while I enjoy your inclusive mindedness Terenin, as an atheist with a uterus lemme tell you women atheists exist! But I really do love your mindset :)
disenchanted.forest your probably gay too.
She is no dummy! Very well spoken and outspoken!
@@iamthatiamiamthatiam2942 u got a problem with gay folks. cause alotta white christian married men are having sex with men i have gay friends who use a site called grinder and ive seen with my own eyes 2 men from church looking to hook up with other men.
Madalyn was a bit nasty and mean, but she was 100% correct! And she was Brilliant!
Suspiria10 i wish i could have met her. she seems larger-than-life.
***** there is no hell
+Moses The Prophet Ah good, it's only Hell. I thought there might actually be a real barrier to meeting such a fine woman.
Suspiria10. she ain't correct anymore.
The more I listen, the more my heart falls to the ground in anguish as I see how this country has fallen.
Science and Truth 2 Rock. well,when you take God out of things what do you think is going to happen.
@I Am That I Am I Am That I Am - The salvation from dogma and ignorance that the great nation deserves.
@@iamthatiamiamthatiam2942 when you take god out of things, we prosper. The countries with the less crime are those with the LOWEST amount of religion.
@@wiwaxiasilver827 That is MORE dogma. Look up the definition of Dogma. You are part of that dogma. I am that I am, is something some idiot 4000 years ago made up. Nothing else. That's why it's so meaningless. I am means nothing.
@@DorianMattar Oh, by my salvation from dogma I meant religion, in response to the commenter above. I wasn’t being too clear I guess.
Atheism is Not Evil..I got Atheist friends and they're Compassionate Kind People
Thank you so much for doing this. I first heard her speak at the U. of Florida in ~1969, while an undergrad. It was so sad to have lost her, Jon, and Robin. No one told it as straight of Madalyn!
Ever hear of her oldest son William's account about growing up in the O hare household??
@@RonSafreed Yes. Also, Robin was William's daughter, and she rebelled against her father. Robin and Jon (Madalyn's other son) worked with Madalyn at American Atheists until all 3 were brutally murdered in1995. I disagreed with Madalyn on many political issues, but I fully agreed with her on Atheism, and belonged to American Atheists for many years.
@@fjpollackI have noticed that atheist do not believe in e.t. aliens & ufo's & I was recently on the Atheist Experience program out of Austin TX with Matt Dillenhunty!! After a few minutes of me talking, they then talked the rest of the program on what proof is there eventhough I myself have seen ufo's 4 times & I was told to use some type of scientific principle but they did not tell me in specifics, I was railroaded 30-45 minutes, could not get a word in edgewise!! I am a Christian & I believe that e.t. aliens & ufo's do excist!!
What we have here, among other things, is a history lesson of little known events which have had a clear and astonishing impact on America and its attitude toward religion in general and christianity in particular. Any atheist, or at least any American atheist, who wants to have a full grasp of the backdrop of the current church/state situation in the US owes it to themselves to listen to this.
You're in for an education.
+Troubleshooter125 Even more, she died defending reason and freedom. She would not have been murdered if she werent such an important figure. We should now use the internet to give her the recognition she deserves, likie it has been done with Tesla, another forgotten figure came back to life thanks to the internet.
I think I first started to drift towards atheism at age 7, in 1997, when the Hale-Bopp Comet came close to the earth and was observable from my low-light pollution Irish hometown. I still have the newspaper clippings of images of the comet from way back then that my mother cut out for me and stuck in a scrap book. I remember piecing together the coming of the comet with the images of dinosaurs being wiped out, millions of years ago, by an asteroid that I found out about from the encyclopedias that my grandfather gave me and which my older sister taught me how to read when I was 5. I remember figuring out then and there that the story of Adam and Eve had to be false, which my teacher told me was true and that Adam and eve existed with dinosaurs.
After that it was a snowball effect, I began to analyse everything teachers said about religion, by asking questions like "if there is intelligent aliens on other planets, do those aliens go to heaven?" which I knew they could not answer, or if so they answered "no", a response given as an answer but to which can only lend it self to a new, sometimes infinite regress, of questioning, which shows the responses given to these questions are not satisfactory answers.
I found out years later I was engaging in a Socratic dialogue, the best way to debunk supposed religious wisdom.
For me, it was the concept of Hell that challenged my notions. When I was around 5 or 6, and my parents put me in Sunday School, whether I wanted it or not.... Someone got the idea to pass around a pamphlet of what the other religions believed.
Some of the stuff didn't seem too bad. It also had the population demographics next to it.
It didn't take me very long to realize that most of the world wasn't Christian. Or that most Christians were Catholic.
From there I simply asked someone about this.... "Are ALL these other people going to hell when they die?"
TO which I got the grudging, reluctant answer "Yes."
And I didn't say anything at the time, but I remember thinking..... "Well, that's not right. That CAN'T be right. God loves us and cares for us all. I know about bad people, and THEY should go to hell, but it seems like a lot of these people might just believe something different."
That one little moment started it's own snowball effect on me. Not that it's relevant, I just wanted to share my own moment.
Muon Ray For the OP, I can answer your question on aliens.
a half "No" answer, they would not go to Heaven because only those who can hear the gospel may have that right...but at the same time, they are not born of Adam's and Eve's Sin, thus it may not apply to them, or they may end in purgatory.
GoodAvatar The best way to describe it, God is like an abusive father, as long as you do as you are told and not question him, you will be "loved"
But the moment you even ask question? The moment you say "If you loved me, you wouldnt do this without reason"
You are essentially locked in a closest for the rest of your life with no way to escape.
That is not a loving god. That is a tyrant among the likes of Kim Jung Il and the North Korea regime
Muon Ray damn, listening to her TALK, is more boring than a presidential address speech.
"if there is intelligent aliens on other planets, do those aliens go to heaven?"
Aliens are just angels and they already live in the heavens.
From word one to last, this is absolutely brilliant.
And this is the reason i am subscribed to your channel.
Awesome speech.
Thank you Mr. Ra. I was drafted into the US Marine corps when still a child . Legal age was 21 then and I was 19. I was given a choice of serving against my will or serving 5 years in Federal prison for refusing. I was a coward and served . I was forced to swear to uphold and defend The Constitution of the USA and was never absolved of that oath upon release for my honorable discharge after two years active and four years of reserve duty. I still consider that oath to be in effect to this day 50 years later. I believe in our Constitution and hate to see it being continually whittled at. I consider the first amendment to be freedom of speech and of religion and freedom from religion and see it whittled at continually. Thank you for your service to our freedom and your bravery.
She was a anti-gay atheist & gay atheist know this fact about her!!!!!
It has been a long time since I listened to this. Very refreshing to hear these inspiring words anew.
Thank you for posting!
Waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ahead of her time.
I have never in my life heard anyone acknowledge Chicanos involvement in civil rights activism only Madalyn Murray Ohair had the insight to recognize the reality in which this country either ignores, forgets, or doesn't care. I don't believe that even atheist understand the level of love this woman had for humanity.
This is a _really_ good speech from 10:43 onward, but she almost lost me with 10 straight minutes vitriol against atheists. The history of the constitution and founders' outspoken contempt of churches is truly fascinating in it's own right; and the massive financial burden of government church subsidies, overshadowing the then 15 year long Vietnam War, is striking.
I wouldn't blame anyone for skipping the unnecessarily long and derisive preamble, but you're missing a treat if you don't listen to the last 35 minutes.
But that intro is important to understand ~ 42:00 and on.
rataflechera I agree, but 10 solid minutes is a bit much, even for a captive audience; and you could hear their applause fall quiet as she systematically insulted every single listener in attendance. I get the point, but past the 5 minute mark it went from effective to divisive. It was a damn good speech, but you have to be especially careful when you're trying to win hearts and minds by throwing around insults.
ArguingFromIgnorance
It is meant to motivate. Since the speaker is an atheist herself, and the audience knows this, we know that the only reason she would continue coming back to "the atheists sat on their asses" is to get them to stop sitting.
***** Sure, I'll give you that, but my message was more "don't let the first 10 minutes put you off" rather than "the introduction is irrelevant".
ArguingFromIgnorance She wasn't insulting them, she was lighting a fire under their collective asses. They would only feel insulted if they recognised themselves in her characterisations of the ineffective and inconsequential.
I don't think she was trying to "win hearts and minds" either - she was trying to get shit done.
She is right about so many issues - a courageous and outspoken lady. It's sad that more people in the US didn't take her words
serious enough at that time...
Thanks for posting this speech Aron and keep up the good work :-)
Often I am not impressed with a woman talking. Maybe its the tonality. Maybe I am a sexist misogynistic pig.
But holy god damn bajezus this woman can talk! Lead me woman! Lead me to the glory that is Atheism!
Seriously, fucking awesome speech. I loved the first 10 minutes. Great self-reflection on the frailty of the human consciousness. Loved it till the end for its strong commitment to furthering atheism to the future through self-reflection and actualization.
Ever hear of her oldest son William's account about growing up in the O Hare household?? It is a sad & pathetic story!!
@@RonSafreed No? Can you tell me more?
@@BrutusAlbionthis is back in the fifties when she was living in Baltimore MD & William was in elementary school. He said she would go to the porn movie houses of the day & come home boasting that she was the only woman in there & get explicit of the porn movies. She had gone to law school but it was a low rated school & she failed the bar exam many, many times & never became a lawyer. In the early sixties she wanted to immigrate to the Soviet-Union & said she also loved the system of communism, but her request to immigrate was denied. She then started the American Atheist Association in 1964 in Austin TX. She boasted of hiring criminals to work for the AAA & BTW a criminal working there murdered her in the mid-nineties along with her youngest son John & grand-daughter Robin. She stole money from the AAA She had a very foul mouth & eventually journalist stopped interviewing her because of so much profanity. She drank & had the biggest bar you saw in a house with every kind of liquor there & also ate a lot of high fat, carb, sugar foods & meats & said it was living high on the hog & of coarse we only go around once in life because after you die, you are 100% dead so live that party all the time lifestyle.William said he was also living that lifestyle. She stole Robyn away from William after he came back from Vietnam in 1969 after 4 years she was caring for her while he was in Vietnam & he was drafted inthe army in 1965. The battle over Robyn seemed to be fierce but she won the court case. William then worked for United Airlines & married & in 1977 another daughter was born named Jade. About the same time a conflict developed between Madylin & William & he told her to "eff-off mom"!!. William became a Christian in 1980-81 at 33-34 years of age. He said he had a very intense dream of Jesus Christ coming to him. His family totally disowned him for becoming a Christian& never accepted any gestures of contact from him.
@@RonSafreed After you wrote that I looked it up and it and wow what a story. What a strange and dark woman in the end and the way she died is gruesome and in a twisted way karma striking back at her. There was no party at the end of her life, just hell waiting for her ... and a devil she helped create herself.
Funny thing, I actually became a believer about a year after I put my comment here. I wouldn't call myself christian necessarely, I don't follow any church, can't commit to that but I do strongly believe in the holy scripture having had my own experiences with the spirit.
In the end I took the complete opposite path of this woman ... thanks for letting me know the deeper story behind her and commenting on a 9 year old post.
I hope you are well and bless you brother. May god be with us forever more.
@@BrutusAlbionBTW atheist do not believe in e.t. aliens or ufo's & I was on a atheist program a while back, the Atheist Experience out of Austin TX with Matt. Dillenhunty & I began to talk on this subject & then I was railroaded for the next half-hour, 45 minutes!! I am a Christian & I believe we are not the only life in the universe!! I feel ole Madylin did not believe either!!
God damn it sometimes i think that even atheist did not and does not still fully grasp just how great Madalyn was and is still today. Not only that but also her son and daughter who she was raising to be more greater than herself. As a chicano myself I felt the urge to give her a great big hug to listen to her mention the chicanos of that time being apart of the struggle for civil liberties. Only a human who has an unconditional love for humanity in its entirety would know and speak on behalf of those at the bottom of the totem pole and give them honors like that wow amazing i wish she was my mother.
Wow !! An Incredible Speech !
Such intelligence & confidence .
"Well I'm an Atheist - Take a good Goddamn look !!"
Thanks Aron ! Perfect way to get fired up for the new year!
I'm gettin' off my ass !
She was a anti-gay atheist & gay atheist know this about her!!!!!!
Why have I never heard of O'Hair or her murder? I am truly baffled by this. Thanks for uploading.
Sucks that she was viewed as intolerant and angry because she was alone in a country that opposed her ideas. I bet she'd be way more supported now (and is, even though it's been a while)
Abel gtz She was supported by that guy that beat her unmercifully,strangled her,then chopped her evil puke filled head off.She is having one helluva time now guaranteed.
Harold Plemons not cool
Abel gtz Cool was not the objective. She spent her entire life in some form of hate filled conflict withsome one . She even spewed her venom on her fellow atheists,but their hatred has deafened them to it. listen to the first few minutes of her rant. She was absoluetly miserable and sucked ineverybody she could with it. As for holding this miserable succubus in esteem,hell no. She reaped what she sowed.
Harold Plemons So pointing out flaws is "Hate"? And yes, religion, like any other belief can be used to justify things when it is not true, but this speech is not about hate, it is disagreeing with the theology of Christianity, for the bible has been used even since its birth to discriminate and justify their actions, especially early on. Let's take for example the clause "Thou shall not steal."
It didnt stop early Christians from taking from those they have pillaging and have killed, then again, technically it no longer belongs to the dead, not the dead men, not the dead women, and not the dead children. All for not believing. I do not care for religion; it bares no impact in my life, it wont stop me, either if we can prove there is a God or not, from doing what I can to better the world. I dont need a higher power to tell me to help a beggar, to help those less fortunate than I. And if you want an example of someone who hates Christianity, then she would say "If you believe in god you are nothing but ignorant and not worth conversing with and have no right to call yourself intellectual." As opposed to constructively saying "Your bible has...alot of inconsistencies, just at least ponder that before being so sure you are right and I am wrong in terms of beliefs."
"Don't tread on me"
Stopped reading there
Priceless speech by MMO, thanks for posting.
WOW!!! This was a damn good speech which is so relevant for today.
SLRok. Jesus Christ loved her so much he died for her.
@@iamthatiamiamthatiam2942 Lol!
This is incredible. As a Canadian I did not know the story of the US' struggle with religion in any other terms than those broadcast across the world by the uninformed populace, malintentioned politicians, and church leaders. It finally makes sense.
Thanks for posting her speech. I had heard it when I was younger and thought it was lost.
I did something I have did before, this speech hit home, so far home I actually posted it on my facebook after not messing with that social media crap in nearly 2 years
Thanks AronRa. This rocked me to my core. We all could do more to protect our constitutional rights. I had no idea she was so knowledgeable.
Powerful. I was taught to despise this woman, whom I never saw speak until now. I can see why, she knew our real history and how we have to rebuild those walls of separation.
It seems to me that to Christians God is a lottery machine.
Think about prayer requests, for instance. The notion seems to be that the more people pray, and the more often they do it, the higher the chances that whatever is being prayed for will happen. For this reason prayer requests are often forwarded like chain letters, especially since the widespread of online social media.
There are striking parallels with the lottery: It's common for groups of people to pool their money to buy as many tickets as possible, thus increasing their chances to win something. The more people participate in the pool, the more money they put into it, and the more lottery tickets are bought, the higher the chances.
If I were the Christian God, I would be completely appalled and offended by this. Believers are basically treating him like a lottery machine. Like a wish fulfillment automaton that might grant your wish if enough people pour their resources onto it.
This is an insult to their God, even from a Christian perspective.
Christains do not grasp the concept of "insult" when it's not targeted at them in their minds.
It’s seven years later. 2021. And MMO just gave me a kick in the ass.
She is a giant, beacon of light in the darkness of religious myth and make belief, respect to her. Thank you aron for bringing this towering inferno to our attention
"Pascal's choice" I think is more appropriate than wager. Unless you mean roulette.
***** Ain't that what I said? Thanks for the clarification.
@Nivrap Imagine what Pascal would have thought if he died and his soul went to Hell for being a Theist, because the one true god is a prick who does that sort of thing.
Never heard this before. Thank you for providing such an intelligent and well spoken presentation for us who were unaware of it. It was inspiring to listen to. I haven't been moved so much by a speech since the last time I heard Dr Martin Luther King.
We are now in the era of mass communication that she identified as being needed to combat theism. A true and brave visionary.
this speech was beautiful
Thank you for sharing this much needed sanity. This woman is now my “guiding light”. Cheers to everyone who found this video.
Not "isolating ourselves from the fight" any longer.
***** Billy,take a few minutes and read The KJV Bible,Ezekial 38 & 39. Today,for the first time in world history are now united and have signed pacts as allies. They have almost surrounded Israel,and when Assad of Syria is removed you will see the nations allied begin to ramp up for the Great War to eliminate Israel and take Jereusalem as theirs. The Bible speaks of a last day antichrist. It says the antichrist will have a ten nation coalition and that he will pluck three of those nations up by the roots. This is being prepared right now before your very eyes as Saddam Hussein was removed from Iraq,which is modern day Persia along with Iran.Libya is one of the allied nations,and as you saw Mohammar Ghadafi was removed from power and killed. Now Syria,the Assyrian Empire at one time is next. It is going on right now with Russia and China supplying them with arms as the means to get this accomplished. It will eventually,and the antichrist will arrive out of the peace negotiations that will go on after they attack Israel. He will appear as a peacemaker but he will have anything but peace on his agenda. He will decieve billions due to their willingness to do anything for peace. The nuclear aresenal being constructed now by Iran with Russia's help will eventually be used on Saudi Arabia as a means to deny the western world its energy supply,this in short is World War 3. It is terribly unsettling but with two world wars already fought as proof that it has happened and is capable of being done again,it will as the End Times Bible Phrophecy unfolds. You are living in the last of The Last Days of Bible Prophecy.Israel was formed in 1948,and one of the scriptures reads: For this generation shall not pass before the return of the Son of Man. I believe the great war will start before 2027. I say this because of a calendar called The Hebraic Prophetic Calendar,and it ends in 2027. I hope mankind has more time but with the global financial meltdown and the Bilderberg Group setting it up to do it again,a fight for basic neccessities will have to be fought in some areas. The current scumbag administration in the white house now is having 100,000,000 dollars a month printed and funneled through Wall Street to prop up the stock market,when the ensuing bubble burst,many people will lose their entire life's savings and the economy,that's on life support now, crashes will have no jobs or means to feed their familes. This being created right now,with George Soros as the ring leader.
***** That is ok by me. Do not believe what yopu see on live tv everyday. You are young and are going to live it day in and day out. You won't be able to hide fron it either. But you are real tough and you can handle it. Goodbye and enjoy the ride,cause it's comin soon.
***** Now now, just because someone believes in a God, doesnt make them stupid. While I have NO intenton of following a religion that has even in its own holy book shown the murder of others who do not comply with their beliefs and ironic how a religion of "Love and Tolerance" has been used to say "Discrimination is ok"
Remember when it was used to keep black slaves? Or how it was used to say it is ok to deny african americans rights? Or how it was used to say Women shouldnt have the same rights as men? And now for gays how they shouldnt have the same rights in addition to the "religious freedom" bills that allow discrimination based on religion?
MY problem with Christianity is the followers cannot accept those that dont agree with their views and only seek to call us "haters of god" Some do, Me and many others? I Dont care; god or no god it has No impact on my life, and I wouldnt follow a tyrannical childish ruler who has self esteem issues.
*****
It is no problem, but I know the struggle you mean. I have friends that are gay, but think Christian fairy tales, like Satan as Real, as real as saying Gravity is real, or the number "Six" is Evil.
One cannot say things are Fact unless they can be Proven. I can prove gravity exists by dropping an object, you cannot prove the existence of supernatural beings.
*****
Likewise, and I know. I live with a family that dismisses mental health as work of the devil..I know what you mean.
I wept.
Thankyou for making me aware of this great lady...and her terrifying prescience.
I love this womans voice her articulation is amazing
Definitely need more women like this in the movement. With a badass like Madelyn Murray O'Hair, one can see that their contributions are crucial. Also interesting was how she mentioned the fights against racism, sexism, for equality in general. We have to keep learning from those other movements, and participate.
This is a work of art!
She was anti-gay atheist & gay atheist know this fact about her!!!!!
I love her. She had guts. Grit. And stood her ground against popular opinion of her time. Damn straight she was a real American.
Hehe, man did she slam us all. And even though many of us are potentially the last variant, the Internet is very good at bending us into the worst types listed in this speech. And I love how AronRa posted this as I'm sure he recognized himself a little - even without the PhD. (right?) :D
She was aanti-gay atheist & gay atheist know this fact about her!!!!!
@@RonSafreed judge people by their time period. I think she's fine.
A true pioneer!!
In September 29,1995 the o'hairs were killed.
It's been 25 yrs since they have died,and this is the first video I got to hear her voice and know of her.
very very good speech
Wow, thank you for this speech. Very powerful
Madelyn Murray O'Hair was the DEVIL to me when I was a christian.
She is a hero to me NOW.
So sad she's gone....
Theresa Champagne. you are welcome to join her.
vernon padilla Madelyn one of her son's and robin O'Hair were all murdered. I thought I had a foul filthy mouth, Madelyn has me beat.
@@iamthatiamiamthatiam2942 Threats from the peanut gallery ....
Theresa, she was a anti-gay atheist & gay atheist know this fact about her! On May 20 1976 she said & wrote something hostile to a gay group in California!!!!! Why was she anti-gay?????
@@RonSafreed She was an anti gay atheist, and a gay atheist? How do you be both at once? Isn't that called a..........weird?!
She is brilliant!! She helped start this movement!! and its up to us to keep it going until we are the Majority!!! We Will be the Majority in the future, our numbers grow everyday!!
Love this....Wow, very eye opening. The things they never taught us in school.......hmmm.....
This is an amazing speech.
Thank you for posting this!
Very eloquent. Now I know why she was such a prominent atheist leader.
She was a anti-gay atheist & gay atheists know this fact about her!!!!!
Thanks for bringing this to us. I'm not an atheist, but I totally support the removal of religion from every aspect of life (government, education, legislation} except where it belongs: in people's private lives. I really hope that you and your fellows can pull the US back from the brink of theocracy before it's too late for us all.
Now I want to go out and do something, but it's 3:00 AM here lol
But no, really, it's inspiring . . . in a in-your-face manner.
Madelyn Murry O'Hare, One Of The Heroes Of Humanity.
Wow. She had my attention the whole time. What an amazing woman.
Wowza... truly great speech! We need more people like her today.
I used to hear her on the Jerry Williams show on WWBM radio in Chicago in the 60's as I remember. What a brilliant mind. Did they ever find out wo did her in?
She was a anti-gay atheist & gay atheist know this fact about her!!!!!
Thanks Aron for sharing this speech!
=/ Transcend is not a esoteric word.... it means to rise above.. sure when used in combination with god it becomes vague but thats because god is the vague word =/
i can Transcend my skill level in math.... Oh look i used the word properly.... just cause those people dont use it properly dont mean its esoteric, ....
We already have a word for that. It's "surpass". Transcend has other implications that are, yes, esoteric, in those other definitions of the word that you oh so conveniently ignore.
Just to borrow from transcendent: "3. Theology . (of the Deity) transcending the universe, time, etc. Compare immanent ( def 3 ) .
4. Philosophy .
a. Scholasticism. above all possible modes of the infinite.
b. Kantianism. transcending experience; not realizable in human experience.
c. (in modern realism) referred to, but beyond, direct apprehension; outside consciousness
Do ya see how you're being a dickhead? Because you're kinda being a dickhead. Your example is not the way people use the word, and you know it.
Ziliath You can be dishonest and not have any intent or knowledge of of said dishonesty. Being ignorant of something, and believing that you know what you are talking, about, even when you don't know that you are wrong. DOES NOT EXCUSE YOU FROM DISHONESTY. So yeahh enjoy that.
Cortexsaga
*"You can be dishonest and not have any intent or knowledge of of said dishonesty"*
thats ....not true... Being dishonest Means you do something knowing its not true (in which you cant claim Ignorance)... you have to know about it and deliberately omit it... you cant be absent mindlessly dishonest... honesty dont work that way...
*"Being ignorant of something, and believing that you know what you are talking, about, even when you don't know that you are wrong."*
1) i wasn't proven to BE wrong
2) If i dont know i Was wrong (if at all) then it would be the HONEST thing to state what i think is true...... thats called being Intellectually honest...
*"DOES NOT EXCUSE YOU FROM DISHONESTY"*
it Actually does!... because stating what i think is truth is the HONEST position.... Lacking information is called ignorance its not dishonest to lack information and state it anyway that is the VERY DEFINITION of a intellectually Honest position...... WOW...=/
its dishonest to HAVE information and state the opposite as a fact... .... i did not do this as i did not know of the information I WAS ignorant of it and therefore ITS NOT DISHONESTY.....
***** Other. That's like saying I can't say shit just because we have the word crap. No. Different words meaning the same thing, this isn't new.
*****
And now you have passed the threshold of being reported... congradufuckinlations....
the commonality of the words use is irrelevant... thats one point you dont seem to get... if it meets the requirements you cant just say "well people dont use it enough so your wrong"
Cause thats your argument right there its sad...
I remember hearing about her. "The most hated woman in America." I never seen her speak until now. (I didn't have the internet when she was around, and it wasn't like you were going to see here on TV) I was expecting someone slinging hate, I guess. She would fit right in today in the online community. I also remember when she went missing and people on the news speculated (that since she was an atheist) that she just took off with that money. I thought she spoke very well. I enjoyed this video very much.