There are so many of these videos out there. This is by far one of the best. I have had countless arguments with modelers about this. #1 is by far the most important. Great video Adam.
Steel tow cables are not silver, either. They too are made of steel wire, they may be painted, but they too should be that brown/grey/black, like the exposed metal of the tools. (I handled them while in the US Army in the 70s.) And Adam - always great to see your videos.
One thing I warn is that just because something is technically accurate doesn’t mean it looks good even when done correct. Two that come to mind on that are the very late war colors used like the near white version of Dunkelgelb, exposed primer, and the washed out green especially together. Those colors just look so odd and garish they fight against the modeler. And the second being someone seeing a picture of a bogged down tank either being recovered or completely abandoned and then smothering a tank in extremely heavy mud all over the tracks, running gear, and even hull.
Well done Adam. I always have liked your videos. I don't do a lot of german so like you said, research. I like yours and Evan does a fantastic job as well. Thanks for the refresher! 👍
That's funny, I did #3 right on my first tank. And then messed it up on the follow on ones. My big lesson here is what a fire extinguisher looks like at scale, I had no idea what that part did so I left it in the hull color.
Great video, touches base on a lot of simple mistakes a beginner or misinformed modeller can make. One thing I commonly see that is easily done because of how Hollywood has portrayed these vehicles over the years, painting The dark “Panzer Grey” on late war vehicles ie: Panthers or StuG IV’s etc.
Great tips! On the topic of fire extinguishers…I’ve heard others say that if they are mounted inside of a vehicle, they can be red? Any info on this? I’ve yet to see any reference photos of red extinguishers from the limited color photos that are out there🤔 Thanks again for the tips!👍🏼
I think the best way to paint things collectly is to watch this channel carefully. Happy to know your collection seems growing gradually.😄 Mine is totally dead stop after the warfare started.😂
Heh heh, my dad built 161 German tanks, half tracks and trucks, doing all the scratchbuilding with the basic Tamiya / Italeri kits from the 70s. Every one of them had red extinguishers. I never could convince him otherwise.
There is nothing wrong with that. We evolve out knowledge as time goes on, but I certainly don't want to throw shade on guys that did it differently back then. They are a different breed.
Good stuff! Now on to putting pressure on the model kit companies to provide this valuable information. Lol. I've read a lot of instruction sheets over the years calling colors that you mentioned to be silver.
Brilliant video Adam. I’ve found myself becoming aggravated at “new wood” shovel handles etc. Dull it down. Also, with restored vehicles as reference can be misleading, as you said with the eye of the tow cables. Original photos are predominately in black and white, but details can still be picked out. I’m glad you have original items, they are priceless.
Yeah using museum vehicles as your reference is a dangerous thing. You basically have to know the history of that particular restoration to use the information. Both my shovels have a midtone light wood like what you saw here.
@@AdamMann3D Yes Sir! I have a couple of panzer jacks that have French tags on them post war. The dunklegrau still shows after the postwar paint has faded and worn off. Research is my favorite part of the hobby.
I have seen khaki called out, and been told grey. My last build I went back and forth on this one and actually repainted it twice. When I find a really good reference I'll share it. If you go to the wikipedia page for 14th Panzer division there is an excellent image there in color. It looks dark brown there. last picture towards the bottom. So I used German camo black brown this time.
Good Tips for beginners, and most other modellers, just 1 question?, what colour should machine guns be, I always painted them gun metal, which looked more natural than my friends which for some unknown reason he painted a bright silver...
Silver wouldn't seem to make sense as those weapons were treated with bluing to protect them from corrosion, same as all the other infantry weapons. If you want to paint them black and apply a silver dry brush to simulate a metallic sheen that might be an option to consider. Use can use any of the metallic products or just a pencil. I find gun metal to look a little too shiny and I don't want the enemy to see my weapons glinting in the sun.
I would imagine that the shovel and axe on a vehicle in combat would see almost daily use and would have any paint or black oxide coating worn off much of the blade, revealing raw silver/grey steel underneath.
Great video Adam. I can think of many more but that's the top ones but awesome job ..I need your help with making some 1/18 scale panther tracks like 9 sets maybe more . .do you think you can Help me out with this. I might have some german tank Goodies for you .
Great video, another thing you should add to the list is what colour the exhaust boxes or stacks should be. It's incredible how often you see these in weird or wonderful shades. New vehicle = same colour as the rest of the tank, old vehicle - soot black and rust red, simple! ;o)
Hi Adam, here's a few more for consideration; rubber tyres aren't black, tracks aren't silver, germans didn't use zimmeritt from summer 44, german camo was never standard as way too many variations, modellers often forget stowage, why do kits often forget radio aerials, how to paint different kinds of ammo, how to paint or model battle damage, oh and a final good one, which way is spare track usually hung on a tank? enjoy :o)
It's not that simple. Exhaust sheet-metal parts get extremely hot. You do find weird and wonderful shades, depending on how the paint decays when heated.
@@daveybyrden3936 Just exaggerating to make the point Davey. Of course there are differences, and lots of dependencies like vehicle age, type of treatment, and climate, etc., but broadly there would be the three basics of the original paint, carbon soot deposits and rust. Probably also worth pointing out just do some research on your vehicle and that should help.
@@simonbennett9486 German camouflage *was* standard in the last year or so of the war. That's one of the reasons we can figure out what factory a vehicle came from - their camouflage scheme was standard for the factory.
For the actual handles, which are a resin-impregnated paper, Saddle Brown by AK Interactive is a good start. Then you can give it a dark brown wash and/or texture with a buff acrylic drybrushing. As Adam said, the two big knobs on the very end are bakelite so a super dark brown like Model Color German Camouflage Black Brown is perfect.
Good video.. sure a lot of ppl don't know too much about vehicles.. I think also modellers add "color" to break up an overall green or grey vehicle... so red fire ext. Etc
I've always thought a red fire extinguisher just pops on a model, as it would on a real tank. A very good place to aim one's bazooka. Secondly, you are quite wrong to suggest that camo could not be painted in hard lines. There's a technique called masking ... now I'm not saying that that is what they did, just that it is very possible for them to have done, if they could have been bothered, and, of course, they couldn't be. Thirdly, research is all part of the fun. It's a good excuse to expand one's library. Just don't start counting rivets. 😄
I said camo in large shapes, not hard lines. Like I know what you're saying, but I think you missed the point I was making. Just trying to help new airbrushers.
I paint camo as if i am the guy applying the actual camo on the real thing .. I did a MiG 17 in vietnam camo colours and thought ..right .. he will be more then likely not in a hanger , using some sort of brush rather then a spray gun .. and he won't have been using masks .. just roughly applying it by eye with no real pattern .. and he was probably rushing :)
Hey, Milton. What's happening? Uhmm, I'm going to have to ask you to go ahead and move your desk again. If you could go ahead and get and move it as far back against that wall, that would be great.That ways we'll have room for some new boxes. We're going to put in here.
That's not what I said. I said a guy that size can only move his arm so far at a time. Did you want me to move the little guy around the model to explain it to you?
@@historex54tamiya What Adam obviously means is that each sweep of the arm can only be so far. Many new modelers just paint camouflage stripes in long sweeping passes over the model. In reality, that would have had to had been made in 20+ individual sweeps, with the werkstatt painter moving between each pass. This lends to not having straight camouflage stripes of consistent width. Photographs clearly show that.
@@Panzermeister36 in all likely hood, a big beast would be sprayed by more than one man. The compressor was either run direct from the engine or portable. I would agree long parallel lines would be extreme but using an arms length analogy is just daft as the man can move. Even looking at the Bovington king tiger re sprayed. The height and width of the brown and green in areas is further than an arms width, as the sprayer(s) moved.
Great to see a person with limited skills preach to people about their mistakes. Take a look at how many kits this guy actually builds to completion. Its not many and full of flaws. He is also one of the comunities worst trolls. Anything he cant reproduce himself he trolls the hell out it. Dont expect anything positive to come your way from this guy..... unless your name is Evan ❤💕❤ His head is bigger than those eyes behind the specs and the face is something only a mother would love. Why would i write this? Ask yourself why someone would write such things about a comunity member.
Yeah sometimes I troll assholes. No I don't have much time to build models, nor do I care much how you perceive my skill level. I've never claimed to be particulatly good. My videos are for whoever cares to listen. And my focus is on research and accuracy, not competition or execution. And raising small boys and having a job means no i dont get to finish much. But thats not how I measure whether or not I know what Im talking about. And scale modeling is not as important as my family. You havent said anything I mention in the video is wrong, so you think no one should listen to me because you don't like me personally? That seems partisan and stupid. Im not sure why you care who my friends are. But I can assure you I get a lot more positive feedback than Doogs fan boys trying to stir up trouble. But I'm going to assume you're here because I left a snarky comment reminding him he's a hypocrite. As I really don't stir up as much controversy as I used to. Either way, get bent.
Lol that guy wrote it, because that was the only thing he could do, besides grinding his teeth in anger. Which was actually a good thing, because grinding teeth means that at least someting is moving inside that head.
I am tending to agree with you, and certainly concentrating on a more accurate paint finish should be the priority before worrying about rivet counting!
@@historex54tamiya I already do a number of the things suggested in this video even before I knew Adam had brought them up. Red fire extinguishers make no sense unless you think the enemy are going to mistake it for a cardinal. Silver tools reflecting sunlight and revealing one's location? Why not? The wirecutters took me a while as I didn't have access to good vintage color pics and was making mine a bit too orange. I didn't think to add the Camo Black Brown to the Saddle Brown though.
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Great video Adam. But I'm still waiting for the cheque for my appearance fee.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you guys are nutz. 😂😂😂
Nonspeaking role so acknowledgement is all you get!
@@j.mcq.8418 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣✌️
Too funny P36 !!
You guys sound similar
That was quick and dirty, well done! This should be helpful for everyone, beginners and pros.
There are so many of these videos out there. This is by far one of the best. I have had countless arguments with modelers about this. #1 is by far the most important. Great video Adam.
Awesome Adam 👍looking forward to your next video. 😀 God bless.
Steel tow cables are not silver, either. They too are made of steel wire, they may be painted, but they too should be that brown/grey/black, like the exposed metal of the tools. (I handled them while in the US Army in the 70s.) And Adam - always great to see your videos.
I probably should have mentioned the cables specifically.
It was a great little list regardless.. Thanks
One thing I warn is that just because something is technically accurate doesn’t mean it looks good even when done correct. Two that come to mind on that are the very late war colors used like the near white version of Dunkelgelb, exposed primer, and the washed out green especially together. Those colors just look so odd and garish they fight against the modeler.
And the second being someone seeing a picture of a bogged down tank either being recovered or completely abandoned and then smothering a tank in extremely heavy mud all over the tracks, running gear, and even hull.
Well done Adam. I always have liked your videos. I don't do a lot of german so like you said, research. I like yours
and Evan does a fantastic job as well. Thanks for the refresher!
👍
That's funny, I did #3 right on my first tank. And then messed it up on the follow on ones. My big lesson here is what a fire extinguisher looks like at scale, I had no idea what that part did so I left it in the hull color.
Great video, touches base on a lot of simple mistakes a beginner or misinformed modeller can make.
One thing I commonly see that is easily done because of how Hollywood has portrayed these vehicles over the years, painting The dark “Panzer Grey” on late war vehicles ie: Panthers or StuG IV’s etc.
Great tips!
On the topic of fire extinguishers…I’ve heard others say that if they are mounted inside of a vehicle, they can be red? Any info on this? I’ve yet to see any reference photos of red extinguishers from the limited color photos that are out there🤔
Thanks again for the tips!👍🏼
I have also heard this but haven't done any personal research.
I think the best way to paint things collectly is to watch this channel carefully. Happy to know your collection seems growing gradually.😄
Mine is totally dead stop after the warfare started.😂
Heh heh, my dad built 161 German tanks, half tracks and trucks, doing all the scratchbuilding with the basic Tamiya / Italeri kits from the 70s. Every one of them had red extinguishers. I never could convince him otherwise.
There is nothing wrong with that. We evolve out knowledge as time goes on, but I certainly don't want to throw shade on guys that did it differently back then. They are a different breed.
Hey Adam great video thanks for sharing, cheers Liam
Good stuff! Now on to putting pressure on the model kit companies to provide this valuable information. Lol. I've read a lot of instruction sheets over the years calling colors that you mentioned to be silver.
Brilliant video Adam. I’ve found myself becoming aggravated at “new wood” shovel handles etc. Dull it down.
Also, with restored vehicles as reference can be misleading, as you said with the eye of the tow cables. Original photos are predominately in black and white, but details can still be picked out. I’m glad you have original items, they are priceless.
Yeah using museum vehicles as your reference is a dangerous thing. You basically have to know the history of that particular restoration to use the information. Both my shovels have a midtone light wood like what you saw here.
@@AdamMann3D Yes Sir! I have a couple of panzer jacks that have French tags on them post war. The dunklegrau still shows after the postwar paint has faded and worn off.
Research is my favorite part of the hobby.
Hi Adam, Can you tell me what the business end of the barrel cleaner is made from, and what is the correct color to paint it?
I have seen khaki called out, and been told grey. My last build I went back and forth on this one and actually repainted it twice. When I find a really good reference I'll share it. If you go to the wikipedia page for 14th Panzer division there is an excellent image there in color. It looks dark brown there. last picture towards the bottom. So I used German camo black brown this time.
Muy bien explicado. Excelente video 👌. Saludos desde Queretaro Mexico.
Good Tips for beginners, and most other modellers, just 1 question?, what colour should machine guns be, I always painted them gun metal, which looked more natural than my friends which for some unknown reason he painted a bright silver...
I go with a black or very dark grey.
@@AdamMann3D Thanks Adam.👍
Silver wouldn't seem to make sense as those weapons were treated with bluing to protect them from corrosion, same as all the other infantry weapons. If you want to paint them black and apply a silver dry brush to simulate a metallic sheen that might be an option to consider. Use can use any of the metallic products or just a pencil. I find gun metal to look a little too shiny and I don't want the enemy to see my weapons glinting in the sun.
@@wwiiinplastic4712 Sorry forgot to mention I apply a coat of flat varnish over the gunmetal.👌
I would imagine that the shovel and axe on a vehicle in combat would see almost daily use and would have any paint or black oxide coating worn off much of the blade, revealing raw silver/grey steel underneath.
Once can choose to weather however, the point I was trying to make (which I think I failed at honestly) was the standard base coverings.
@@AdamMann3D Right, out of the factory I don't doubt you, but once used a few times the paint will scrape off and they will have some dirt on them.
Thanks for the video!
airbrush only?
Congratulations Adam. Good vid.
Very helpful, thank you.
Great video Adam. I can think of many more but that's the top ones but awesome job ..I need your help with making some 1/18 scale panther tracks like 9 sets maybe more . .do you think you can Help me out with this. I might have some german tank Goodies for you .
Great video, another thing you should add to the list is what colour the exhaust boxes or stacks should be. It's incredible how often you see these in weird or wonderful shades. New vehicle = same colour as the rest of the tank, old vehicle - soot black and rust red, simple! ;o)
Absolutely. I knew I would get lots of good suggestions from you guys once I made the video. Perhaps a sequel is called for.
Hi Adam, here's a few more for consideration; rubber tyres aren't black, tracks aren't silver, germans didn't use zimmeritt from summer 44, german camo was never standard as way too many variations, modellers often forget stowage, why do kits often forget radio aerials, how to paint different kinds of ammo, how to paint or model battle damage, oh and a final good one, which way is spare track usually hung on a tank? enjoy :o)
It's not that simple. Exhaust sheet-metal parts get extremely hot. You do find weird and wonderful shades, depending on how the paint decays when heated.
@@daveybyrden3936 Just exaggerating to make the point Davey. Of course there are differences, and lots of dependencies like vehicle age, type of treatment, and climate, etc., but broadly there would be the three basics of the original paint, carbon soot deposits and rust. Probably also worth pointing out just do some research on your vehicle and that should help.
@@simonbennett9486 German camouflage *was* standard in the last year or so of the war. That's one of the reasons we can figure out what factory a vehicle came from - their camouflage scheme was standard for the factory.
What color would you recommend to use for bakelite grips on tools?
The only tool that had any bakelite is the knobs on the end of wirecutters. Those I have been painting German Camo Black Brown by Vallejo lately.
For the actual handles, which are a resin-impregnated paper, Saddle Brown by AK Interactive is a good start. Then you can give it a dark brown wash and/or texture with a buff acrylic drybrushing. As Adam said, the two big knobs on the very end are bakelite so a super dark brown like Model Color German Camouflage Black Brown is perfect.
Good video.. sure a lot of ppl don't know too much about vehicles.. I think also modellers add "color" to break up an overall green or grey vehicle... so red fire ext. Etc
Nothing like looking at the real tools for reference.
I've always thought a red fire extinguisher just pops on a model, as it would on a real tank. A very good place to aim one's bazooka.
Secondly, you are quite wrong to suggest that camo could not be painted in hard lines. There's a technique called masking ... now I'm not saying that that is what they did, just that it is very possible for them to have done, if they could have been bothered, and, of course, they couldn't be.
Thirdly, research is all part of the fun. It's a good excuse to expand one's library. Just don't start counting rivets. 😄
I said camo in large shapes, not hard lines. Like I know what you're saying, but I think you missed the point I was making. Just trying to help new airbrushers.
I paint camo as if i am the guy applying the actual camo on the real thing .. I did a MiG 17 in vietnam camo colours and thought ..right .. he will be more then likely not in a hanger , using some sort of brush rather then a spray gun .. and he won't have been using masks .. just roughly applying it by eye with no real pattern .. and he was probably rushing :)
Hey, Milton. What's happening? Uhmm, I'm going to have to ask you to go ahead and move your desk again. If you could go ahead and get and move it as far back against that wall, that would be great.That ways we'll have room for some new boxes. We're going to put in here.
Some valuable points, but I didn’t realise a man had to stand in one place to spray camouflage!
That's not what I said. I said a guy that size can only move his arm so far at a time. Did you want me to move the little guy around the model to explain it to you?
@@AdamMann3D If he can move then the length of his arm is irrelevant!
@@historex54tamiya What Adam obviously means is that each sweep of the arm can only be so far. Many new modelers just paint camouflage stripes in long sweeping passes over the model. In reality, that would have had to had been made in 20+ individual sweeps, with the werkstatt painter moving between each pass. This lends to not having straight camouflage stripes of consistent width. Photographs clearly show that.
@@Panzermeister36 in all likely hood, a big beast would be sprayed by more than one man. The compressor was either run direct from the engine or portable. I would agree long parallel lines would be extreme but using an arms length analogy is just daft as the man can move. Even looking at the Bovington king tiger re sprayed. The height and width of the brown and green in areas is further than an arms width, as the sprayer(s) moved.
I have no idea how German battleships were camouflaged then 😁
Did you start smoking, Adam?
I quit smoking in 2012. Not sure why you're asking.
@@AdamMann3D your voice has changed a lot.
Great to see a person with limited skills preach to people about their mistakes.
Take a look at how many kits this guy actually builds to completion. Its not many and full of flaws.
He is also one of the comunities worst trolls.
Anything he cant reproduce himself he trolls the hell out it.
Dont expect anything positive to come your way from this guy..... unless your name is Evan ❤💕❤
His head is bigger than those eyes behind the specs and the face is something only a mother would love.
Why would i write this?
Ask yourself why someone would write such things about a comunity member.
Yeah sometimes I troll assholes. No I don't have much time to build models, nor do I care much how you perceive my skill level. I've never claimed to be particulatly good. My videos are for whoever cares to listen. And my focus is on research and accuracy, not competition or execution. And raising small boys and having a job means no i dont get to finish much. But thats not how I measure whether or not I know what Im talking about. And scale modeling is not as important as my family. You havent said anything I mention in the video is wrong, so you think no one should listen to me because you don't like me personally? That seems partisan and stupid.
Im not sure why you care who my friends are. But I can assure you I get a lot more positive feedback than Doogs fan boys trying to stir up trouble. But I'm going to assume you're here because I left a snarky comment reminding him he's a hypocrite. As I really don't stir up as much controversy as I used to.
Either way, get bent.
Lol that guy wrote it, because that was the only thing he could do, besides grinding his teeth in anger. Which was actually a good thing, because grinding teeth means that at least someting is moving inside that head.
I am tending to agree with you, and certainly concentrating on a more accurate paint finish should be the priority before worrying about rivet counting!
@@historex54tamiya I already do a number of the things suggested in this video even before I knew Adam had brought them up. Red fire extinguishers make no sense unless you think the enemy are going to mistake it for a cardinal. Silver tools reflecting sunlight and revealing one's location? Why not? The wirecutters took me a while as I didn't have access to good vintage color pics and was making mine a bit too orange. I didn't think to add the Camo Black Brown to the Saddle Brown though.