Thanks for the test. I prefer the BPM 1/8, it’s the perfect amount of softness and blooming highlights. 1/4 was too strong of a blooming effect for me.
We have several of the black satins and one of the reasons we got them is to make images look less digital and more aggressive, and sure - for skin - but without adding "haze" to the whole image. If you want a grittier mood from a scene with faces, black satin could be a good enhancement. Beyond highlights, no dreamy or creamy from satins. Also, in my opinion, black satin is very subtle at the lower numbers so starting low won't give you the same oomph that you see immediately with pro mist, with satins I START with 1 "just to see" and go from there.
I am confused about the Numbers.. On the Tiffen store I can buy Black Satin 1, 2, 1/8, 1/4 and 1/2. Is the BlackSatin 1/8 the lowest and the "2" the highest with the largest effect? Or ist the Filter with number "2" the Filter with the smallest effect? What is the order of strength, starting with the lightest effect to the strongest effect? Hope that someone can help me. I can't see much difference in the comparison videos
@@basicmotionhochzeitsfilm6899 2 is strongest effect, 1/8 lowest The higher the fraction, the lower the effect My answer probably comes too late but here you go anyways haha
Question for you then - is there something that does a good job marrying the too concepts? I like the idea of reducing that digitally sharpness without losing contrast, but I also like the idea of just a TINY bit of added halation and glow for a very subtle film look. Like a black pro mist 1/8 halation + a black satin 1/2 optical reduction. You know of any filter like that? This is like a digital photographer dream I feel like. Or maybe just a black pro mist 1/8 is all I really need.
Hm, I have the BPM 1/8 and 1/4, those make a difference. I'd maybe get the 1/2 as well. But I don't really see much effect with the black satin ones. I'm glad I went with BPM.
Pro mist gives more highlight bloom but can be overwhelming and cause your subject to be too hazy. Black Satin still provides the creamy cinematic look but adds more constrast to avoid the hazy look on subjects especially on faces. But can add too much constrast in certain lighting scenarios. Depends on the look you want.
no babbling, no rambling, no life story for the first 4 minutes of video, straight to the point with awesome real world comparison. i like the pro mist 1. its super dreamy
Absolutely. They were created specifically for todays high definition CMOS sensors. The Pro-Mist filters are older filters originally made for a different kind of camera. They were used a lot on Betacam for daytime soaps and on film cameras. Tiffen's Glimmerglass is another line of newer filters that work great with todays cameras.
IThanks for your video is very exhaustive. I love "comparison" videos, for seeing different filters in action, but I think that beyond personal taste, there is the purpose for which they are used. They are neither better nor worse, they are specific. Each filter is different and each one does a job. Peaky Blinders, Barry Lyndon etc etc etc. You wouldn't buy a Low Contrast filters for "how it looks"? These are the ones I have tried: Pack1: Black Halation Full Diffusion 01-Tiffen Black Pro-Mist 67/1/8 02-Tiffen Black Pro-Mist 67/1/4 03-Tiffen Warm Black Pro-Mist 67/1 0x-Tiffen Warm Black Pro-Mist 67/3 Pack2: White / Black Halation Medium Diffusion 04-Tiffen Pearlescent 67/1 05-Tiffen Glimmer Glass 77/3 (es básicamente un ProMist negro con motas plateadas en lugar de negras) 06-Tiffen Black Satin 67/2 Pack3: Warm Halation Soft Diffusion / Contrast Reduction 07-Tiffen Gold Diffusion FX 67/2 08-B&W Soft - Pro 09-Tiffen Ultra Contrast “Ultracon” 67/3 Pack7: Contrast Reduction / Atmosphere 10-Tiffen Low Contrast 67/3 11-Tiffen Smoque 67/2 (Ultracon pesado) 12-Tiffen Double Fog 67/3 21-Tiffen Fog 67/3 22-Tiffen SFX 67/2 Pack4: POl / IR 13-Zeiss Polarizador 14-Hoya Infrared R72 Pack5: ND 15-Rollei ND 8 16-Rollei ND 64 17-Rollei ND 1000 Pack6: - Didymium Natural Light / Enhancing Filter 18-Astroklar 67 - Didymium 19-Astroklar 77 - Didymium 20-Tiffen Clear-Blue
@@joenicklo Hi !! I hope it didn't sound like a criticism, I love your work. I have seen the video and I like the weighted tone in which you explain these questions. My comment was directed to a comment that I have read and I wanted to make a positive contribution. The Internet is a wide and democratic world in which all opinions have a place, but I would be sorry if, by understanding the information in binary, resources are lost. I am a clear example, I am basically a photographer in my work, only at the beginning I used some ND filter. I was against adding a crystal to my pristine goals ... until Ira Tiffen's work caught my attention. At first I was cautious, but little by little I was testing (and using) exhaustively everything I could find. Also doing some video changed my perspective. It is not normal for a photographer, generally press, to use filters, but in some circumstances I have imagined a photograph that might need it. The world of diffusion is fascinating. I appreciate your videos and I have already subscribed to your channel. Greetings.
once again, really impressed with the footage your P4k produces. Hands down absolutely beatiful. You used the sigma 50-100 Art for many shots right? Would you recommend it, the F1.8 looks beatiful. I already got the sigma 56mm 1.4 and the 12-35 f2.8 so I'm missing a long rage lense for my m43 lineup. I am making a lot of music videos/concert videos and I assume it looks insane in interviews too but that is already greatly covered by my 56mm. Thanks for feedback.
Great review, but i dont understand in B&H i found black satin 1/2- 1- 2 - 3 whats that mean because the range is difference, and in the description says like lower is mes contrast and highlight. thanx
Are you a fan of stacking the filters? Do you think the black pro mist is great for a new beauty TH-cam channel or the black satin 1 or higher in your opinion? Thanks for your time!
No LUT, this was shot on the Blackmagic pocket 4K so I simply used Color Space Transform in Resolve, then did some work in the lift/gamma/gain and color wheels.
Straight up your content is awesome and your footage is some of the best. I shoot BMPCC4K a lot in bright daylight. I like to shoot wide open 1.8 or 1.4 where I can and have to use a variable ND to expose correctly. Can you or should you stack the pro mist filter on the VND? Can you recommend the a good way to shoot shallow on a bright day with pro mist? Cheers
Driven Films I’ve actually been using it on both the BMPCC6K and on the Nikon Z6 with ATOMOS 10 bit. It’s definitely worth the investment for the 4x5.65 filter. Love it!
Thank you so much for these two videos, this is the only informative video in the whole world. Tell me, I correctly draw conclusions up to 1/2 these filters are very similar in the picture, after the value of 1/4 Black Pro Mist begins to make a foggy effect stronger and lose contrast. I want to take one of them for a photo shoot with a force of 1/4 which one will be stronger to resolve the picture? Another question for you is: immediately in the first frames behind a beautiful girl in this segment "04:28 Black Satin Examples" , circles bokeh covered with squares, it's visible texture or filter this effect from the camera's sensor or lens? just if this is a filter effect, it is unacceptable to me, I would like to clarify this with you before buying.
The Really BIG Mistake you made with this vid is, You Don't leave the comparisons up long enough for anyone to study. This is NOT an attack.... However each 4 Square comparison should be on screen @ Least! 10 seconds 1- To Read the text. 2- To Really study each filter's shot. Many of us have Dumped out of the video half way through for those reasons. Maybe you'll Re-Upload it.
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Thanks for the test. I prefer the BPM 1/8, it’s the perfect amount of softness and blooming highlights. 1/4 was too strong of a blooming effect for me.
Good point for sure, it’s good to have both on hand imo.
We have several of the black satins and one of the reasons we got them is to make images look less digital and more aggressive, and sure - for skin - but without adding "haze" to the whole image. If you want a grittier mood from a scene with faces, black satin could be a good enhancement. Beyond highlights, no dreamy or creamy from satins. Also, in my opinion, black satin is very subtle at the lower numbers so starting low won't give you the same oomph that you see immediately with pro mist, with satins I START with 1 "just to see" and go from there.
Great points for sure.
I am confused about the Numbers.. On the Tiffen store I can buy Black Satin 1, 2, 1/8, 1/4 and 1/2. Is the BlackSatin 1/8 the lowest and the "2" the highest with the largest effect? Or ist the Filter with number "2" the Filter with the smallest effect? What is the order of strength, starting with the lightest effect to the strongest effect? Hope that someone can help me. I can't see much difference in the comparison videos
@@basicmotionhochzeitsfilm6899 2 is strongest effect, 1/8 lowest
The higher the fraction, the lower the effect
My answer probably comes too late but here you go anyways haha
Question for you then - is there something that does a good job marrying the too concepts? I like the idea of reducing that digitally sharpness without losing contrast, but I also like the idea of just a TINY bit of added halation and glow for a very subtle film look. Like a black pro mist 1/8 halation + a black satin 1/2 optical reduction. You know of any filter like that? This is like a digital photographer dream I feel like. Or maybe just a black pro mist 1/8 is all I really need.
@@okyeabuddyguy I know this is late but what you're describing would be a Pearlescent or Black Pearlescent 1/8.
Hm, I have the BPM 1/8 and 1/4, those make a difference. I'd maybe get the 1/2 as well. But I don't really see much effect with the black satin ones. I'm glad I went with BPM.
Can’t go wrong with pro mist! I was underwhelmed by the black satin
Pro mist gives more highlight bloom but can be overwhelming and cause your subject to be too hazy.
Black Satin still provides the creamy cinematic look but adds more constrast to avoid the hazy look on subjects especially on faces. But can add too much constrast in certain lighting scenarios.
Depends on the look you want.
I own a BPM 1/4 and a Black Satin 1. I use them both for specific reasons but I LOVE the enhancement the BS1 gives me!
Nice! thanks for checking the video out :)
Hi, awesome video! which filter would you recommend to soften skin tone / texture? want to cover up acne scars as main concern
Best comparison on YT. Great job! I being a newbie in filters, this helped me understand them.
Glad it was helpful! Did you get a chance to watch my full breakdown video?
@@joenicklo Yes I did, thank you!
@@nicholastoo858 awesome :)
no babbling, no rambling, no life story for the first 4 minutes of video, straight to the point with awesome real world comparison. i like the pro mist 1. its super dreamy
I try my best! Cant stand videos where they tell us about irrelevant stuff before they get to the actual content.
I’ve been looking for a video like this for days! Thank you so much.
Glad you found it
straight to the point. that's the most useful review I found
Black satin is the best !
Absolutely. They were created specifically for todays high definition CMOS sensors. The Pro-Mist filters are older filters originally made for a different kind of camera. They were used a lot on Betacam for daytime soaps and on film cameras. Tiffen's Glimmerglass is another line of newer filters that work great with todays cameras.
Thanks for making this.
Very helpful. Makes deciding easier.
👍
Awesome! Glad it helped you decide.
I got BPM 1/2 and I’m happy with it 🤙🏼
Heck yeah!
Nice video, exactly what i was looking for.
BPM 1/4 looks like me.. but Black Satin 1 has a nice look too
It’s good to have both types if you can afford it
Beautifully done! Very interesting to see all the different looks between various lighting environments and focal lengths!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Pro Mist FTW, @ least IMHO
Footage looks cinematic AF regardless of the filters though. Great shooting!
Appreciate it!
such an easy to watch comparison, thank you so much! subscribed just for this video too
Thanks for the sub!
IThanks for your video is very exhaustive. I love "comparison" videos, for seeing different filters in action, but I think that beyond personal taste, there is the purpose for which they are used.
They are neither better nor worse, they are specific. Each filter is different and each one does a job.
Peaky Blinders, Barry Lyndon etc etc etc. You wouldn't buy a Low Contrast filters for "how it looks"?
These are the ones I have tried:
Pack1: Black Halation Full Diffusion
01-Tiffen Black Pro-Mist 67/1/8
02-Tiffen Black Pro-Mist 67/1/4
03-Tiffen Warm Black Pro-Mist 67/1
0x-Tiffen Warm Black Pro-Mist 67/3
Pack2: White / Black Halation Medium Diffusion
04-Tiffen Pearlescent 67/1
05-Tiffen Glimmer Glass 77/3
(es básicamente un ProMist negro con motas plateadas en lugar de negras)
06-Tiffen Black Satin 67/2
Pack3: Warm Halation Soft Diffusion / Contrast Reduction
07-Tiffen Gold Diffusion FX 67/2
08-B&W Soft - Pro
09-Tiffen Ultra Contrast “Ultracon” 67/3
Pack7: Contrast Reduction / Atmosphere
10-Tiffen Low Contrast 67/3
11-Tiffen Smoque 67/2 (Ultracon pesado)
12-Tiffen Double Fog 67/3
21-Tiffen Fog 67/3
22-Tiffen SFX 67/2
Pack4: POl / IR
13-Zeiss Polarizador
14-Hoya Infrared R72
Pack5: ND
15-Rollei ND 8
16-Rollei ND 64
17-Rollei ND 1000
Pack6: - Didymium Natural Light / Enhancing Filter
18-Astroklar 67 - Didymium
19-Astroklar 77 - Didymium
20-Tiffen Clear-Blue
Hey there, I did a main video where I actually explain all of that :) Check it out: th-cam.com/video/wrDdkofxURg/w-d-xo.html
@@joenicklo Hi !!
I hope it didn't sound like a criticism, I love your work. I have seen the video and I like the weighted tone in which you explain these questions. My comment was directed to a comment that I have read and I wanted to make a positive contribution. The Internet is a wide and democratic world in which all opinions have a place, but I would be sorry if, by understanding the information in binary, resources are lost. I am a clear example, I am basically a photographer in my work, only at the beginning I used some ND filter. I was against adding a crystal to my pristine goals ... until Ira Tiffen's work caught my attention. At first I was cautious, but little by little I was testing (and using) exhaustively everything I could find. Also doing some video changed my perspective. It is not normal for a photographer, generally press, to use filters, but in some circumstances I have imagined a photograph that might need it. The world of diffusion is fascinating. I appreciate your videos and I have already subscribed to your channel. Greetings.
It’s ok, I didn’t take offense. I just wanted to make sure you saw the main video where I went further in depth. Thank you for your help explaining.
Thanks for including the Helios lens in this
No problem, I’ve got another Helios video coming up soon.
Thx mate for such great tests! What do you think about Black Glimmer Glass?
You’re Welcome. I’ve never used black glimmer glass.
It’s similar to pro mist on the halation side which gives you a soft and blooming effect but not as bloomy as BPM tho a little less.
once again, really impressed with the footage your P4k produces. Hands down absolutely beatiful. You used the sigma 50-100 Art for many shots right? Would you recommend it, the F1.8 looks beatiful. I already got the sigma 56mm 1.4 and the 12-35 f2.8 so I'm missing a long rage lense for my m43 lineup. I am making a lot of music videos/concert videos and I assume it looks insane in interviews too but that is already greatly covered by my 56mm. Thanks for feedback.
I love the 50-100! It’s almost on permanent rental from Lensrentals 😂😂 one day I’ll buy it
thanx, very good !!! I ordered Satin 1/4
Let me know what you think
ungraded is really unnecessary!
otherwise, great video!
Thanks for checking it out
Thank you so much! This is very informative and well thought trough!
Maybe , a BPM 1/8 with BS 1/2 are enough for most of the situation for amateurs
👌
Appreciate the thorough comparison!
No problem!
Can you give me advice sir. Do i need this for photography use? Or can i adjust clarity in lightroom for this look.
Would you recommend stacking pro mist filter and black satin ?
I can’t see a reason to do that.
@@joenicklo thought process was extra bloom with regained contrast with satin. More character in the lens . Just a thought though
Worth experimenting :)
Great review, but i dont understand in B&H i found black satin 1/2- 1- 2 - 3 whats that mean because the range is difference, and in the description says like lower is mes contrast and highlight. thanx
1/2 will have a lower strength effect than 1, 2 or 3. Personally, I'd try to go for 1/4 or 1/2.
Are you a fan of stacking the filters?
Do you think the black pro mist is great for a new beauty TH-cam channel or the black satin 1 or higher in your opinion?
Thanks for your time!
To be honest, I haven't stacked diffusion filters. I have a Tiffen 1/4 and 1/2 that I can test out if you'd like.
@@joenicklo yes that would be great 😊!
so much hard work, thank you for this video
My pleasure!
Excellent examples and THANKS A LOT, SOMETHING ELSE I HAVE TO BUY! :)
No problem Rick
Nice work! Did you use a lut for the grading? If yes, which one? Thanks in advance.
No LUT, this was shot on the Blackmagic pocket 4K so I simply used Color Space Transform in Resolve, then did some work in the lift/gamma/gain and color wheels.
Straight up your content is awesome and your footage is some of the best. I shoot BMPCC4K a lot in bright daylight. I like to shoot wide open 1.8 or 1.4 where I can and have to use a variable ND to expose correctly. Can you or should you stack the pro mist filter on the VND? Can you recommend the a good way to shoot shallow on a bright day with pro mist? Cheers
You can absolutely stack them. I’d put the pro mist first.
Did you use a speedbooster to attach these lenses, and if so, which one, and on which lenses? Thanks!
Yes I use the speedbooster ultra
@@joenicklo thank you!
No problem!
Great test, thanks!!
Thank you too!
Thanks for doing this
No problem
Thank you for this!
My pleasure!
Just got this black pro mist yesterday. #hype
How do you like it?
Driven Films I’ve actually been using it on both the BMPCC6K and on the Nikon Z6 with ATOMOS 10 bit. It’s definitely worth the investment for the 4x5.65 filter. Love it!
Great content! It seems like ht eblack satin adds some red in the image
Yeah just a bit.
amazing video!
this is EPIC 👏👏👏
haha glad you liked it
Good comparison thanks!
Thanks for watching!
thank you!
You're welcome!
Watch my full breakdown on these filters: th-cam.com/video/wrDdkofxURg/w-d-xo.html
Thank you so much for these two videos, this is the only informative video in the whole world.
Tell me, I correctly draw conclusions up to 1/2 these filters are very similar in the picture, after the value of 1/4 Black Pro Mist begins to make a foggy effect stronger and lose contrast. I want to take one of them for a photo shoot with a force of 1/4 which one will be stronger to resolve the picture?
Another question for you is:
immediately in the first frames behind a beautiful girl in this segment
"04:28 Black Satin Examples" , circles bokeh covered with squares, it's visible texture or filter this effect from the camera's sensor or lens? just if this is a filter effect, it is unacceptable to me, I would like to clarify this with you before buying.
I like your Video.good
Ty
The Really BIG Mistake you made with this vid is, You Don't leave the comparisons up long enough for anyone to study. This is NOT an attack.... However each 4 Square comparison should be on screen @ Least! 10 seconds
1- To Read the text.
2- To Really study each filter's shot.
Many of us have Dumped out of the video half way through for those reasons.
Maybe you'll Re-Upload it.
Thanks for the feedback. Next comparison video I’ll keep that in mind, for now...just hit pause :)
@@joenicklo
Got it.
Pause !!!
I love the speed. Just go back and pause :D
@@joenicklo right
two different grades for the end...
Nope. Same grade. The Pro Mist 1 made the difference.
@@joenicklo the promist and the satin are shifting hues that much?
@@daymianmejia5910 Yes.
wow black satin is rubbish, only makes weird red color shifts. xD
Fair enough. it has its uses though. Check out the main video for a more detailed breakdown
It really isn't rubbish. It is used at the highest level. As is BPM..