World of Warships - Wolf in Sheeps' Clothing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มี.ค. 2024
- When is a destroyer not a destroyer? When it's a cruiser? Well obviously, yes. Although in the case of the Elbing, that's not being sarcastic.
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Elbing:
Historically, was a light cruiser
Has light cruiser armour
Has light cruiser guns
Has light cruiser concealment
Has light cruiser speed
Wargaming:
Yeah, that's a destroyer.
lol 🤣🤣
Wargaming's historical accuracy has a very poor sigma value.
Buuuuuut that means it doesn't have a citadel :) So those in the know can take advantage.
Tbf the Spähkreuzer could be called a Destroyer Leader so it ain’t that bad
Not entirely Accurate.
Because Historically it was a Recon Cruiser. Not a Light Cruiser.
Because it actually does not have Cruiser Armor. Its Armor is in between Light Cruisers and Destroyers.
Same for Guns which are Light Cruiser Caliber but are fewer Guns and Smaller Turrets.
Same for Concealment which is in between Light Cruisers and Destroyers.
And also same for Speed which is Slow Faster than Light Cruisers.
This is not so Surprising either.
Just like the German "Pocket Battleship" which the English Classified as a Battlecruiser while others Claim its a Heavy Cruiser etc etc.
Germany did not Obey these Classifications.
Because Germany Followed a Doctrine of Trade Interdiction.
So their Idea was that their Ships should be Strong enough to Fight Enemies they cannot Outrun. And be Fast enough to Outrun Enemies they cannot Fight.
For Germany. The Graf Spee and Deutschland were called "Panzerschiff" in English that would basicly mean "Tankship or Armorship"
And the Intention was a Ship that would be Faster than any Battleships and Battlecruisers. But Stronger than any Heavy Cruiser.
So it was Capable of Destroying entire Convoys Singlehandedly as it could easily Defeat any Escords a Convoy had.
While being able to Outrun any Reaction Forces Send after it.
The "D38 Spähkreuzer" (Ingame Elbing) is another of these German Designs. The Term "Spähkreuzer" in English means "Reconcruiser".
It was Intended to be a High Seas Ship that could Operate Independently on High Seas far Away from Home.
So the Idea was that it needs to be Stronger than any Enemy Destroyer or Frigate and thus can Fight off Enemy Patrols and Escord. But being Faster than any Enemy Light Cruiser.
Thus being able to Outrun any Response Flottillas Send to Deal with it.
Trying to Squeeze them into the Traditional Classifications of the Allies. Makes little to no Sense. Because they Follow a completely Different Doctrine. No matter where You Place them. They wont Fit Properly.
And Wargmaing to begin with already Simplified that System to Boot. Making these even Harder.
Sailing broadside in front of a... *checks notes* destroyer?
That's... a paddlin' I guess?
It's an Elbing.
You better believe that's a paddlin'...
Cover your eyes children - cruelty to light cruisers - proceeded by jingles laugh ... damn that was funny
“The *HMS* Salmon”?! *grumbly USN Silent Service noises* 🤣
Sir I know that giving you a bit of leeway is a nice act and hope it is extended to me down the road, ( most likely has been many, many times and I just missed them ) We all know that the line of asst's following an Admiral/General are to hand that officer what is needed at the time, or list what needs be sent for, so I see this duty as FOT, ( flag officer training ).
I got this far when I see that I am posting this to you not out favorite Admiral LOL. As a U.S.N. Veteran I catch many as soon as they are said, others get past as I am still laughing from the last thing he said, LOL.
Legend says Elbing Torpedo is OP because enemies forgot about them due to how slow it is.
Mr. Jingles, there's nothing wrong with you that an expensive operation can't prolong.
I see what you did there. Glorious!!!
Haha my brain was ludicrously naive for a second and autofilled prolong for fix
Haha
Instead of investing into meaningful updates your money goes to investing in dubai india and russia sx trade because war gaming is ran by unAmerican monsters attacking american democracies
Three triple turrets? Those look like twin turrets to me.
How else would you end up with 6 guns in 3 turrets. Oh, wait. Jingles being Jingles.
@@kaltaron1284 your math lacks imagination.
saaaame thing
@@italomorais9424 I can easily define a '*' operator so that 3 * 3 = 6 but it would be a bit different than the normal one.
So I agree that it can be true with some imagination.
@@kaltaron1284Six equals nine for very large values of six...
I got that the Elbings torps were a touch pedestrian, early on in the video, when the Commodore launched a couple of spreads at the Shimakaze, then sailed alongside them! I assume he wanted to introduce the Shimas Captain to his torps personally just as they arrived! lol
Been watching your videos with my morning coffee every day for years :) It's cheesy, but true - stay laughing (as you do), stay positive (as you are) and optimistic. We appreciate you. Wishing you the very best in your recovery.
Didn't even acknowledge you after that large donation. Bloody rude of Jingles
Man, you really do love to burn money
@@cideltacommand7169 Why? The man's been providing me with weekly entertainment for close to 10 years now.
@@arwing20 If you look at his Mingles w/ Jingles video where he announced it, there's a ton of donations, many larger than mine. Probably just got buried, all is good. Acknowledgement wasn't the motivation.
Upon first sighting a Jingles vid, I naturally go to watch. That’s my style, sir!
Surely you won't go watcha Jingles video without me? ;)
Great Sharpe reference, sir, if I may say so, Sir
You have two choices: to watch on TH-cam or to be patron on Patreon. I shall help you to be a patron. Good day, sir.
Now THAT'S soldiering!
Major Lennox answered with his SUB, sir! As you should have done, if you had any sense of honor!
'He is the only non premium in the division', continues to list the T10 tech tree gdansk and the sicilia who 'isn' t technically a premium'. Never change, Jingles.
True gnomish overlord expertise at its best...
Wouldn't be a Jingles video if he didn't call a tier 10 EU tech tree DD that has been in the game for months now, a premium
I think it shows how little he plays the game nowadays.
Or how old he’s getting.
@@schaddenkorp6977 jingles is a mighty young one... only in his early 50ies
Jingles never change “6 guns in three triple turrets”😂😂😂😂😂
Jingles is the Murray Walker of WoWS commentary. 😂
Only Jingles' voice isn't horrendous.
Yeah those look suspiciously like 3 double turrets to me 😂
Sigh...have none of you heard of "Gnome Math"?
Just got home from the night shift and 2 mins ago Jingles has uploaded! Glorious!!! Also my new dog is awesome!!!
Make sure you give your doggo lots of love! Dogs are a reflection of their owners, so give him lots of love and not much anger. They understand boundaries very well so being stern but fair is a must when a new doggo is around.
Hope you get the forever friend you were looking for.
I’m a service dog handler and i have one of the few Siberian Husky service dogs.
Lemme know if you need any advice. Good luck!
May you and your new furry friend have many happy years together, having fun adventures daily. Give him/her a scritch for me.
That Amalfi got a Spicy (Meataballa) Paddlin'
Jingles! Never change!!!! I laughed so hard at the elevator music torpedo shot. Praying for you my brother in arms. (One vet to another) keep the fight
That torp shot on the Montana..... 🤣🤣🤣
"The Elbing has six 150mm guns in three triple turrets."
Jingles Moment
I fell in love with the Elbing when Trenlass in one of his first games with it smacked a Smolensk into oblivion. Thanks for this video Jingles, all the best to you!
Jingles: "What were you rhinking WG. Its a destroyer with absolutely terrible stealth."
Everyone else: looks at Khaba, one of the oldest dds in the game, with its 9.7 conceal, sluggish rudder, and hugeness.
You forgot to mention the amazing legmod. You get faster turning turrets and an insane speedboost.
You loose a bit DPM, but it gets so much more agile.
Doesnt make the ship not bad though
@@Zeka_GGWP This. The ship has no good role that needs to be filled. It can punch unangled (bad) cruisers, but "everything" counters cruisers these days, and BBs do it a lot better. Very bad line.
14:19 6 shells 6 pens. On a sub. Impressive.
"In 3 triple turrets"..... Jingles the replay is right in front of you.... its 6 guns 3 Duel Turrets. Never Change Old Man.
Edit: Anyway its pretty safe to say their are ALOT of Light Cruisers in this game that WISH their AP shells did the sort of damage the German Gunboat Line can do. Also for anyone wondering, according to google 50mms of armor is 2 inchs, so this thing has 1 whole inch of armor amid ships.
When i hear your wicked citadel laughter, i almost cry. Keep it up, all the best.
Is the Sicilia gonna be the new "tri-division concentrates fire and deletes anything in one salvo" ship?
Not unless you consider the Colombo part of that division. It’s basically just a Colombo with HE main guns and SAP secondaries. Most things about the two are identical
The match chat in this one was certainly something.
That first cruiser that was citadeled left a classy message @12:17 congratulating or protagonist on his good play.
Paul!!! Bless you, from Canada.
Damn that Amalfi was salty about getting bonked LMAO
Enjoyed your quick story about the Royal Navy Hydrographers. In the US the hydrography is split between Army Corps of Engineers (rivers and harbors), NOAA Corps (Great Lakes and Seas/Bays/Oceans within US control) and US Navy (All international waters). I spent six of my ten years as a NOAA Corps officer performing hydrographic surveys. As the government is liable for publishing charts with errors the amount of work to collect the data and them critique and process it into a revised chart adds up to thousands of sea days and even more man-hours. Did really like having produced tangible results with real value at the end of each cruise.
So fair winds and following seas on the health front. As we used to complement each other on my last ship, "You Sir, suck less today! Keep up the good work!"
Always a pleasure to start my day with you, Jingles.
Commodore Pixel and his teammates were curbstomping the enemy.
I'm glad I was only a spectator, not an opponent.
You have legions of devoted salt miners pulling for you.
Hello to Rita as well. Give the floofs some love from across the pond.
🐈🐈⬛👑✌️🖖
Jingles excited about the 16x15inch guns on the sicilia...overmatching..apparently 27mm now instead of 25. That the colombo also has. Certified jingles moment.
that amalfi was salty
; )
I remember the first time I played this ship and a Mino charged a teammate in a DD in front of me giving me broadside. I even typed in chat "oh, hello there mino" before obliterating him 😂
That guy learned a valuable lesson that day.
6:57 Friendly Yamato complaining about the team after he basically just floated at the same spot in cap delta for almost 3 minutes. As a famous mercenary once said, "Waaaaah, cry some more."
Guess that player was just trying to be historically accurate...
Awesome video my man! Thank you as always for the entertaining and educational video.
Jingles, kind of unrelated to the video but thank you very much for not just your content but for you, Jingles just being you, Jingles.
Jingles, best wishes for a very positive outcome from your treatments.
Always a good day when the Gnome uploads!
"BONKS" You'll see them in Jingles episodes, but winning KOTS is another story!!
Thanks
So, Jingles, the Karl XIV Johan is also a Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing… but in the other direction. She’s a torpedo destroyer pretending to be a battleship XD
Actually Jingles, the Gdansk is a tech-tree ship. And i wanted to write this all my life. Hope u get well again,Sir
Excellent video sir, thank you!
As per usual, another top-notch Jingles commentary 😂 - well done Sir
Jingles: And that just leaves the submarine, HMS Salmon.
Me: you mean USS Salmon!
Never change, sir!😂😂
I feel like there's one specific aspect to the torpedoes on the Elbing that gets overlooked often, even by Jingles here: They are incredibly stealthy.
Yes, they are among the slowest torps in the game. But that only really becomes a problem if your opponent has hydro. Outside of that, they leave very little time for reactions, not because they're so quick, but because they're incredibly close to you before you even see them.
That doesn't make them better than fast torpedoes, but it means they're not as bad as one might think. (Looking at the Shimakaze 20km noob tubes here, which are also realtively slow but have a massive detection range.)
Same comment holds true for Italian torps, I believe.
Hi Jingles. Thanks for the content.
Lord Jingles, you sound so much more relaxed in this video. It is good to see and hear. Makes me wonder if the world would be a better, less angry place if more people adjusted their diet away from sugar and meat.
Cmon Jingles you know "never bet against a Sicilia'n when death is on the line" Ok Ok I will get my coat :)
A lot of people don't know this, but the ballistics and penetration curves on the Elbing's 6 inch guns are a straight up copy + paste of the Hindenburg's 8 inch guns. That's why Elbing AP is so good against cruisers.
I loved the "6 150 in three TRIPLE turrets"
3 x 3 = 6 in Gnome Math
Thank-you again Jingles, I am a Pongo, but do enjoy your WoS content
Jingles did you forget the Colombo? it has 16 x 380mm with SAP shells it got buffed because Scillia was released, and she(Scillia) doesnt have sap shells but sap secondaries
Yes. Yes, he did forget.
12:53 To be fair, the slow torps are an advantage in this situation. When I use Yolo torps on my shimakaze, I have to wait until I'm visible to the enemy to launch them because launching as early as he did would have made the torps too early. The predictor lane would have been pointing straight into the island with that Monty going as slow as it was.
Loved the slow torpedo beats music!
Ah Jingles never change
Always enjoy you content old boy
Thanks!
for those not introduced to this ship yet, 12:03 is the moment we all grinded this line for ❤ and yes, a fun fact: this DD can also cit BBs
Thanks Jingles
Long time i didnt see a mighty Yamato video i hope you have taking dust somewhere Jingles
Well, their roffle was well and truly stomped... Nice battle
This thing is not only a cruiser killer, it also extremely capable of taking out badly armoured battleships.
I know, because I got absolutely shredded in a battlecruiser once
Thank you Jingles. Get well my man.
That Elbing sure looks fun to play.
Forget a replay with one Sicilia, we need a replay with a division of three of them shooting simultaneous volleys of 48 of those 15 inch guns!
Yes, I know, I should be ashamed of myself, but I didn't put them in the game...
"The Sicilia has swapped to the SAP"
Well... I'm not so sure about that
Also, I think our favorite gnome forgot about poor Colombo and its 16 15in guns
5:52 the shima he killed at the beginning killed the nc with a flood. look at how far the nc was away. and the torps were spotted by the elbing
I like how he says it has armor that can shatter DD high explosive like IFHE doesn't exist and isn't a pretty much mandatory skill that DDs take.
Huzzah! To the Elbing-driver!
And, of course, to the Gnome Overlord!
To whom - in jest and in all earnest - I raise my beer for using such a qualified exclamation! 🍺
Gdansk is an European tech tree destroyer
You worded it wrong. It needs to be “Well actually Jingles……”
Thank you for reading out what the awards were, I don't play so have never understood the rarer ones
5:56 anyone else notice that the friendly NC got dev struck by the Shima torps that had been spotted for well over a minute?
#168 - Let's go RADM Jingles & good hunting, Dave!
Damn the chat was throwing hands
The ships go boom. I like it
Good morning Gnome Overlord. All the best.
Well, now I'm getting interested in that Sicillia. Seems like a fun battleship.
I mean it's good to have big and accurate guns but sometimes having *A SHIT TON* of smaller guns is better.
The enemy team made one of the cl;assic blunders. 'Never go in against a Sicillian when death is on the line.'
Damn, and to think I was just about to send you my 280k arms race Elbonk match xD
Those torpedoes ARE really slow. At 4:10, with the engine boost running, he's almost keeping up with the ones he had launched a few seconds earlier. 😀
I will gladly take a wolf in sheep's' clothing than a sheep in wolves clothing...
Anyone else remember the video with a division of three mid tier french BB with a bunch of guns and they all shot at the same target in volleys? I want to see that at tier 10.
4:40 that shima died to a detonation by the torpedo
HMS Salmon?
Oh, to the mines? Ok
16 15inch guns is not new however. The Sicilia is basically a Cristoforo Colombo but with SAP secondaries which can cause significant damage. So it is to the Colombo what the Verdi is to the Marco Polo.
Everyone needs an Elbing hand occasionally 😂
It's okay, I'm here on time today!
is it a light cruiser or is it a heavy cruiser, nope it's a submarine....🤣🤣🤣
This ship reminds me a lot of the Okhotnik
Nice
The Scicillia is basically a 'what if' of a 'what if' if I'm readiung the ship right, its a Christiphor Columbo that was refitted in the USA after armistice so instead of the laughable 90mm secondaries it gets USN 5inch/38s.... that fire SAP, plus the two triple 150mm turrets per side...
Drive Me Closer So I might Hit Them With My Sword.....
Yep, that spotting range. It has to have good guns. WG can't seem to do it any other way.
im 61 retired army artillery and now a morning drive announcer on my local station. that said, for the first time in my life i will get a colonoscopy..im gonna say thanks now, cause during the prep, i will be cussing you..i wish you good health..
i like the elevator sound .... for the torps
I just want to add that, in my book, you've not been a ''rear admiral'' for quite some time Mr Admiral Jingle.
16:11 "its HMS Salmon"
you what now
The Gdańsk is a tech tree ship, Jingles...
I have always dismisseed this ship as 'oh its just another DD' - after watching this I will never EVER underestimate this ship again especially if Im sailing a cruiser.
Bit of advice all german DD has AP that can do a number against a cruisers if they can get a good flat broadside.
Jingles, Gdansk is also NOT a premium, you old goat. Never change, thats with love ;)
The stalingrad cits ... omg get wrecked.
3k health.
lets give him 3 cits.