There is a huge difference in alkoholists and drug users. Massive difference. So I don't agree with you there. Also, LOVE our Finnish brothers and sisters across the narrow sea, you truly are an awesome people! Love from Sweden
Even if they lose their mind their walking is usually really bad and you can just walk away. In the meanwhile drug addicts are usually younger and in better shape physically.
@lilja8667 well, I worked as paramedic so I know drugsters and old alcoholistics. Helsinki is fuckt up, that's why I never go back there. I'm happily far away.
@JO-bz4kc Oho. Olipa yllättävä viesti! Jo yli vuoden Sipoossa sairaslomalla, kohta muutto Kesälahdelle. Yritystoiminta on toistaiseksi jäissä kunnes selkä leikataan. Katsotaan, mitä tulevaisuus tuo. Kiitos viestistä❤️
I've seen another police documentary (a long time ago) about police forces in e.g. Finland, Poland and Italy. The Finnish police always seem so calm and respectful (of course - there are limits) Cheers from Sweden
7:00 Partly yes. Finland is glad to be in a position where the police aren't too busy to not take care of these kind of situations. Then again, making sure people dont die on the street is part of their job.
Currently we have mild -6° and light snowfall in Lapland. In my first winter in the north of Finland, a policeman even repaired my snow blower. Yes, the police are extremely helpful and friendly here.
He used the term "sekakäyttäjä". It doesn't necessarily mean a drug user but a person who uses several substances at once. Usually alcohol and some kind of pills. Those kind of mixes can be very unpredictable like he said.
@JohanHultin I know that 😁 My point was that "sekakäyttäjä" is a specific type of person. Alcohol is also a drug so an alcoholic would be a "drug user" too if we were super technical.
@@JohanHultin Direct translation is "mix-user" etc. I don't think its derogatory more than just descriptive in general usage, although the police in this video use it to basically say that drunkard is better than a junkie.
@@JohanHultinLike i said in my original comment it refers specifically to people who use different substances at once, usually alcohol and some kind of pills. I don't think that's necessarily a derogatory term but it can be used that way i guess.
I live in Finland. There is this one homeless guy around where I live. I have seen him for years here. All year around, he is outside, in very cold weathers too. I have never seen him drunk or agressive, or even talking to anyone. But just outside with his bags in few different places. He seems to be surviving. We have homeless shelters obviously, but he chooses not to go to them. I would be very interested to hear his story.
Yes. The welfare systems in the Nordic countries have rules and systems to care about everyone, but some people have tragic life stories we can't even imagine. They want to live off any 'normal' expectations and find their own piece of freedom living and dying how they choose.
he used a word "spurgu" aka hobo which is also kind of degatory term in Finnish :D and yes hobos and drug users got a big difference, the drug users are usually unpredictable and aggressive and make a lot of crimes while the hobos are usually chatty and nice regular guys who just drink way too much.
Both the copper and the drug user knows that the as the police, the copper needs to initiate and arrest and the drug user in most cases doesn't want to get arrested. Makes it a pretty bad starting point for any conversation. We separate the two because we were taught that "drugs are bad, mkay?". As long as the laws criminalize personal use as well as possession of smaller amounts of substance, it's kind of hard to think of it in any other way. It drives a wedge between society/government and individual/group and is hurting people. People who in most cases could use a treatment like this.
'Muita omaisia kuin viranomaisia?' Other next of kin/family/close friends than authorities? Omainen/viranomainen is a nice word couple with some fun wordplay possibilities.
Hey there Dwayne! I am living in Sweden, and in Sweden we have made a lot of use in our lawsystem from the finnish lawsystem when it comes to Drug and Addiction laws (most of them actually). As a recovering addict (after a drug usage for approx. 13 years) I know that there is no diffrence in how I or the lawsystem (and other people) see on the usage of substance drugs or alcohol. They are the same, but yes as you say in the video the only drug in Sweden (and Finland) that is legal is sadly the alcohol because i have been used in history. Wish you a great and wonderful day and lot of love from Sweden
8:20 its not illegal to be drunk so the hobos are usually pretty jovial. It is illegal to smoke weed and such, so its a much more tense situation for both of the parties.
Wow super cold! I think this winter is going to be a particular cold one. We don’t really get snow as much anymore in the north of England. But even in London it’s been snowing recently.
My experience not even as a cop is, when you deal with people that are intoxicated: be the fuck calm. do not get excited, do not corner them. they are fragile and if their slim capacity for thinking critically is reduced even more you have a bad situation on your hands. And especially as a police, you're a public officer responsible for keeping order and safety of all, even for those that may be causing the issues. Btw, in Sweden this would be your typical "A-lagare". He's on the "A-team", being A for alcohol. Not uncommon sadly, but usually not much of an issue. Let them keep to themselves, don't agitate them, and if they start speaking with you, just be friendly, it's the easiest way to deal with them. (i was almost gonna say, it's good practice for a nordic person on how to deal with americans.... i guess i did it anyway)
I think one factor in having low crime rate is that we dont throw people in jail for whatever minor reason. And get a mark on their register. People make mistakes but with clean papers they have better chanse to move on and dont have to do more mistakes.
In Finland there is also homeless people, who don't even want home, but also lots of people who want, but can't get it, because they are alcoholic. Unfortenately drug users destroeyd their rental homes, so nobody wants to rent them any apartment.
-4 celcius at the moment. Also ongoing snow storm and we may get our permanent snow for the winter. Edit: Not so sure about low crime and there is IIRC half as many cops than sweden per capita. The thing about the cops is that there realy isn't any other option in dealing with drunks or they start dying in cold.
About 55 years ago, the police in Finland were much tougher. But we were some guys who invited a homeless man like this to coffee in a cafe and talked to him. He praised the police! He could go into a police station and ask if he could sleep for a few hours in custody. They used to settle down and most of the time they used to treat him to coffee, sandwiches and cigarettes! There were agreements with the police about where, for example, they could spend the night in shelter from bad weather. But they have to follow certain rules. He didn't say a bad word about the police!
Alcohol is in ways worse, but some illegal drugs are worse than alcohol, not that they will kill you if pure, but as he says people get unpredictable when on Horse or Speed or whatever
"Sekakäyttäjä" in Finnish means someone who uses alcohol and drugs (pain killers, prescription drugs etc.) at same time. It doesn't neccessary mean they use drugs (meth, coke etc.). Those people are unpredictable.
The police do more nice things when they have time to. This is very late in what looks like a weekday night during winter in Helsinki. It was also very late, because they discussed about the trams not running at that time. That is the prime time for the police to be able to do nice extra things, because there is less more serious calls.
I think this officer just was referring to sometimes drugusers being violent, and this one was just a harmless drunk. not saying those are the stereotypes for either of them, i've def come across kind drugusers and violent drunks etc.
Drug users and alcoholics are often very different, especially at the hospital emergency department where I work. The drunks just sleep and piss in their pans, but the drug users you have to often restraint to the bed with security guys, because they are aggressive.
That's our policy... Police expects well unless proven othervice. And you never know who you are dealing with... Maybe he/she is a medic, and will save your life couple weeks from now. You surely don't want any illwill between savier and you...
up here in Northern fenoscandia (Finland,norway, Sweden) a homeless person sleeping outdoors in winter will be ver dead, -20C and half a meter of snow just now (20241122), even a fit person will be in trouble without good shelter and a heatsource, perhaps not immediately lethal but...
I can say that Finnish polices are nice to who are drunk and uhh old but it is whole different story with younger people like kids or something or even teenagers then polices are angry or something but I have never talked with police so this is just what I have seen from TH-cam
It's probably mostly differentiated by the fact that it is legal vs nonlegal but I would also assume the heroin and other drugs are more expensive so that group would commit crimes to a higher degree than just an alcoholic
Regional Police just reflect the people that live there. Finland is so peaceful and the people respectful so that the Police can afford to act so aswell.
Close to our house is a park where the old spurgus sit most of the summer and autumn. They are really chill and overall nice. They can be loud and smelly but they just sit and drink there. The police comes there once a week to check they are alright. When my kid stated to skateboard they were very supportive. They cheered and complimented her. When she was baby one of them started to call her Angel and still does. And they aren't doing it for money. If I had given them change they would probably be very rude. Years ago when I still smoked, I used to give them odd cigarette every now and then. Sekikset (sekakäyttäjä= uses both alcohol and drugs) and drug users on the other hand.. I wouldn't let my kid near them. You'll never know what they do.
Tbh its almost identical weather in UK and Finland nowdays. Might be litte bit colder in winter but it feels the same haha :D Cause u guys always have wind cause that stupid atlantic ocean...
What would have been the point for those police officerst to be rude or mean to that drunk homeless man. Like you, they propably felt sorry for him as well.
9:35 - Yes, Dwayne: they treat also the drug addicts and "mixed subtance users" as nicely and respectfully as possible - but if the situation is unpredictable or the customer is aggressive or delusional, then of course they have to use harder measures to get them away from harming others or themselves. 😥Of course it's always a lot more stressfull and hard a situation for the police, also.😟 That's all the policemen meant: not meant to value anyone less as a human being. ❤🙂
A drug addict is unpredictable and can never be trusted. He'll even sell his own mother to get what he wants. Usually he's also committed crimes or been in a group where crimes are committed, and that's why his attitude towards the police is already negative. A drunkard is just a drunkard, or a person whose life has been ruined. Usually quite harmless cases.
There is a difference between an alcoholic and a drug user. The drug user is more unpredictable in behavior than an alcoholic. Itvisxysually easier to communicate with them. The drug user 7s so much in an other world. And yes our police is very human. They study also psychlogy in their 3 year UNI studies.
I really don’t see why you need to be thankful for having a roof over your head, if I was that would be like I was pretending to know what every homeless person goes through, we all live different lives with different perspectives and problems of our own. And it’s also pretty hard to become homeless in Finland, so whatever he did to get there, he did it to himself in a way. Most likely a divorce that went into severe alcoholism.
He may have undiagnosed ADHD, which predisposes him to alcoholism. You obviously don't understand that alcoholism is a disease. Now think about whether your stance would be so harsh if he were a woman?😕
Wait till you see then while they think theres no cameras.. and The security IS The worst! Even If you only walk pass them they could take you down! Security personnel in Finland is worse than every motorcycle gangs together!
There is a huge difference in alkoholists and drug users. Massive difference. So I don't agree with you there.
Also, LOVE our Finnish brothers and sisters across the narrow sea, you truly are an awesome people! Love from Sweden
Drug users are dangerous, you never know what they do. Old alcoholics are friendly or calm down easy. That's a difference.
This.
Even if they lose their mind their walking is usually really bad and you can just walk away. In the meanwhile drug addicts are usually younger and in better shape physically.
@lilja8667 well, I worked as paramedic so I know drugsters and old alcoholistics. Helsinki is fuckt up, that's why I never go back there. I'm happily far away.
@@rami1406 Hei Rami! Missä vitussa olette nyt vaikuttamassa? Kiitos teille hyvästä työstä! Arvostan suuresti.
@JO-bz4kc Oho. Olipa yllättävä viesti!
Jo yli vuoden Sipoossa sairaslomalla, kohta muutto Kesälahdelle. Yritystoiminta on toistaiseksi jäissä kunnes selkä leikataan. Katsotaan, mitä tulevaisuus tuo. Kiitos viestistä❤️
I've seen another police documentary (a long time ago) about police forces in e.g. Finland, Poland and Italy. The Finnish police always seem so calm and respectful (of course - there are limits) Cheers from Sweden
7:00 Partly yes. Finland is glad to be in a position where the police aren't too busy to not take care of these kind of situations. Then again, making sure people dont die on the street is part of their job.
Currently we have mild -6° and light snowfall in Lapland.
In my first winter in the north of Finland, a policeman even repaired my snow blower. Yes, the police are extremely helpful and friendly here.
He used the term "sekakäyttäjä". It doesn't necessarily mean a drug user but a person who uses several substances at once. Usually alcohol and some kind of pills. Those kind of mixes can be very unpredictable like he said.
Pills are drugs mate. You're seemingly confusing illicit drugs and drugs (as in medication)
@JohanHultin I know that 😁 My point was that "sekakäyttäjä" is a specific type of person. Alcohol is also a drug so an alcoholic would be a "drug user" too if we were super technical.
@@mixllllllloh, am I understanding it correct that word (on mobile, so can’t copy) is a derogatory term for a druguser akin to junkie or similar?
@@JohanHultin Direct translation is "mix-user" etc. I don't think its derogatory more than just descriptive in general usage, although the police in this video use it to basically say that drunkard is better than a junkie.
@@JohanHultinLike i said in my original comment it refers specifically to people who use different substances at once, usually alcohol and some kind of pills. I don't think that's necessarily a derogatory term but it can be used that way i guess.
I live in Finland. There is this one homeless guy around where I live. I have seen him for years here. All year around, he is outside, in very cold weathers too. I have never seen him drunk or agressive, or even talking to anyone. But just outside with his bags in few different places. He seems to be surviving. We have homeless shelters obviously, but he chooses not to go to them. I would be very interested to hear his story.
Yes. The welfare systems in the Nordic countries have rules and systems to care about everyone, but some people have tragic life stories we can't even imagine. They want to live off any 'normal' expectations and find their own piece of freedom living and dying how they choose.
he used a word "spurgu" aka hobo which is also kind of degatory term in Finnish :D and yes hobos and drug users got a big difference, the drug users are usually unpredictable and aggressive and make a lot of crimes while the hobos are usually chatty and nice regular guys who just drink way too much.
Both the copper and the drug user knows that the as the police, the copper needs to initiate and arrest and the drug user in most cases doesn't want to get arrested. Makes it a pretty bad starting point for any conversation.
We separate the two because we were taught that "drugs are bad, mkay?". As long as the laws criminalize personal use as well as possession of smaller amounts of substance, it's kind of hard to think of it in any other way. It drives a wedge between society/government and individual/group and is hurting people. People who in most cases could use a treatment like this.
@Rataxes_olsson it is rare for a drug user to get arrested for drug use in Finland, you get arrested for dealing it yes but not for using
@@ristusnotta1653 That's nice to hear. In time, Sweden will change their policies as well. Anything else seems both stupid and cruel.
@@ristusnotta1653But you do get a fine for using.
Finnish police is nice as long as you behave 😁
'Muita omaisia kuin viranomaisia?' Other next of kin/family/close friends than authorities? Omainen/viranomainen is a nice word couple with some fun wordplay possibilities.
Hey there Dwayne! I am living in Sweden, and in Sweden we have made a lot of use in our lawsystem from the finnish lawsystem when it comes to Drug and Addiction laws (most of them actually). As a recovering addict (after a drug usage for approx. 13 years) I know that there is no diffrence in how I or the lawsystem (and other people) see on the usage of substance drugs or alcohol. They are the same, but yes as you say in the video the only drug in Sweden (and Finland) that is legal is sadly the alcohol because i have been used in history.
Wish you a great and wonderful day and lot of love from Sweden
Much love again from Finland! 🤗😍
Those police's are kind of on-duty tactical detectives. (By the way, I worked 9 years in that building at the background with yellow lateral stripe)
To be fair the word translated to "hobo" was "spurgu" which is certainly equally derogatory, so the translation was appropriate.
8:20 its not illegal to be drunk so the hobos are usually pretty jovial. It is illegal to smoke weed and such, so its a much more tense situation for both of the parties.
Well you asked, so it is snowing over here too, around -7C as well
Wow super cold! I think this winter is going to be a particular cold one. We don’t really get snow as much anymore in the north of England. But even in London it’s been snowing recently.
@@dwaynesview Still using T-shirt.... not too cold...
My experience not even as a cop is, when you deal with people that are intoxicated: be the fuck calm. do not get excited, do not corner them. they are fragile and if their slim capacity for thinking critically is reduced even more you have a bad situation on your hands. And especially as a police, you're a public officer responsible for keeping order and safety of all, even for those that may be causing the issues.
Btw, in Sweden this would be your typical "A-lagare". He's on the "A-team", being A for alcohol. Not uncommon sadly, but usually not much of an issue. Let them keep to themselves, don't agitate them, and if they start speaking with you, just be friendly, it's the easiest way to deal with them. (i was almost gonna say, it's good practice for a nordic person on how to deal with americans.... i guess i did it anyway)
Very true, good points :)
I think one factor in having low crime rate is that we dont throw people in jail for whatever minor reason. And get a mark on their register.
People make mistakes but with clean papers they have better chanse to move on and dont have to do more mistakes.
In Finland there is also homeless people, who don't even want home, but also lots of people who want, but can't get it, because they are alcoholic. Unfortenately drug users destroeyd their rental homes, so nobody wants to rent them any apartment.
-4 celcius at the moment. Also ongoing snow storm and we may get our permanent snow for the winter.
Edit: Not so sure about low crime and there is IIRC half as many cops than sweden per capita. The thing about the cops is that there realy isn't any other option in dealing with drunks or they start dying in cold.
23.11.2024 West coast Finland: -4C, >15cm snow
And yes, they were in Helsinki
About 55 years ago, the police in Finland were much tougher. But we were some guys who invited a homeless man like this to coffee in a cafe and talked to him. He praised the police! He could go into a police station and ask if he could sleep for a few hours in custody. They used to settle down and most of the time they used to treat him to coffee, sandwiches and cigarettes! There were agreements with the police about where, for example, they could spend the night in shelter from bad weather. But they have to follow certain rules. He didn't say a bad word about the police!
And yes, crime rate in Finland is relatively low, also the rehab system for criminals is pretty good so less repeat offenders
Alcohol is in ways worse, but some illegal drugs are worse than alcohol, not that they will kill you if pure, but as he says people get unpredictable when on Horse or Speed or whatever
"Sekakäyttäjä" in Finnish means someone who uses alcohol and drugs (pain killers, prescription drugs etc.) at same time. It doesn't neccessary mean they use drugs (meth, coke etc.). Those people are unpredictable.
You can drink unlimited alcohol on speed, and that's why you get unpredictable and lack of sleep also help on this.
The police do more nice things when they have time to. This is very late in what looks like a weekday night during winter in Helsinki. It was also very late, because they discussed about the trams not running at that time. That is the prime time for the police to be able to do nice extra things, because there is less more serious calls.
That's from Helsinki, there's not much traffic at that time at night, especially in winter, most of the town is asleep.
I think this officer just was referring to sometimes drugusers being violent, and this one was just a harmless drunk. not saying those are the stereotypes for either of them, i've def come across kind drugusers and violent drunks etc.
i lost 3 friends at november..november reeks like dead.. i can smell it at bäck seats of a taxi
I've also been driven home by the police a few times. His condition was pretty much the same as he is in this video 😅
Drug users and alcoholics are often very different, especially at the hospital emergency department where I work. The drunks just sleep and piss in their pans, but the drug users you have to often restraint to the bed with security guys, because they are aggressive.
Idk if anyone has pointed it out already, but they used the term hobo only at the beginning and the rest of the time referred to him just as a ”drunk”
Very humane treatment. I would expect nothing less of our eastern brothers. Finland can hit -50° C
That's our policy... Police expects well unless proven othervice. And you never know who you are dealing with... Maybe he/she is a medic, and will save your life couple weeks from now. You surely don't want any illwill between savier and you...
They were in Helsinki but the policemen sounded very rural.
up here in Northern fenoscandia (Finland,norway, Sweden) a homeless person sleeping outdoors in winter will be ver dead, -20C and half a meter of snow just now (20241122), even a fit person will be in trouble without good shelter and a heatsource, perhaps not immediately lethal but...
I can say that Finnish polices are nice to who are drunk and uhh old but it is whole different story with younger people like kids or something or even teenagers then polices are angry or something but I have never talked with police so this is just what I have seen from TH-cam
Crime was low, and jail space is limited. So it's easier and cheaper bring drunk, not aggressive people home or this case shelter.
2:45 Some homeless person do not care, what they use, when they want to clean their nose ^^'
It's probably mostly differentiated by the fact that it is legal vs nonlegal but I would also assume the heroin and other drugs are more expensive so that group would commit crimes to a higher degree than just an alcoholic
They say that drug abusers are dangerous
Regional Police just reflect the people that live there.
Finland is so peaceful and the people respectful so that the Police can afford to act so aswell.
Every cop would be nice if there were cameras on them 24/7.
Well Bobbies used to be nice and unarmed... And famous for it... But it changed when kind words were answered with guns too .many times...
Close to our house is a park where the old spurgus sit most of the summer and autumn. They are really chill and overall nice. They can be loud and smelly but they just sit and drink there. The police comes there once a week to check they are alright.
When my kid stated to skateboard they were very supportive. They cheered and complimented her. When she was baby one of them started to call her Angel and still does. And they aren't doing it for money. If I had given them change they would probably be very rude. Years ago when I still smoked, I used to give them odd cigarette every now and then.
Sekikset (sekakäyttäjä= uses both alcohol and drugs) and drug users on the other hand.. I wouldn't let my kid near them. You'll never know what they do.
It is illegal to leave someone to die in freezing temp. Police or not.
Tbh its almost identical weather in UK and Finland nowdays. Might be litte bit colder in winter but it feels the same haha :D Cause u guys always have wind cause that stupid atlantic ocean...
These investigators are nice. Patrol officers not so much.
Hobos always act as hobos, meth users can be suprisingly dangerous.
What would have been the point for those police officerst to be rude or mean to that drunk homeless man. Like you, they propably felt sorry for him as well.
It was all like this before the immigrants came.
I thought Hobo was a shelter/hostel for homeless
9:35 - Yes, Dwayne: they treat also the drug addicts and "mixed subtance users" as nicely and respectfully as possible - but if the situation is unpredictable or the customer is aggressive or delusional, then of course they have to use harder measures to get them away from harming others or themselves. 😥Of course it's always a lot more stressfull and hard a situation for the police, also.😟
That's all the policemen meant: not meant to value anyone less as a human being. ❤🙂
Isn`t the Irish Garda similar in dealing with people like this?.
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A drug addict is unpredictable and can never be trusted. He'll even sell his own mother to get what he wants. Usually he's also committed crimes or been in a group where crimes are committed, and that's why his attitude towards the police is already negative.
A drunkard is just a drunkard, or a person whose life has been ruined. Usually quite harmless cases.
The translation could have been better…
There is a difference between an alcoholic and a drug user. The drug user is more unpredictable in behavior than an alcoholic. Itvisxysually easier to communicate with them. The drug user 7s so much in an other world. And yes our police is very human. They study also psychlogy in their 3 year UNI studies.
I really don’t see why you need to be thankful for having a roof over your head, if I was that would be like I was pretending to know what every homeless person goes through, we all live different lives with different perspectives and problems of our own. And it’s also pretty hard to become homeless in Finland, so whatever he did to get there, he did it to himself in a way. Most likely a divorce that went into severe alcoholism.
He may have undiagnosed ADHD, which predisposes him to alcoholism. You obviously don't understand that alcoholism is a disease. Now think about whether your stance would be so harsh if he were a woman?😕
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Usually they do not care. Greetings from Finland.
Usually they do care.
As someone from eastern helsinki, I assure the cops do not act like that always. This is one of those "copaganda" shows.
Usually they do act nice... if you are nice.
Wait till you see then while they think theres no cameras.. and The security IS The worst! Even If you only walk pass them they could take you down! Security personnel in Finland is worse than every motorcycle gangs together!