How Did Each Primarch React to the Edict/Council of Nikaea? | Warhammer 40k Lore
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The Council of Nikaea, or Trial of Magnus - was one of the most consequential mistakes made by the Emperor and the Imperium - but how did each of the Primarch's react to the new anti Psyker Law?
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£150 for a trimming kit? what the fuck XD My Braun cost about £49 and it's brilliant.
Midsection…..
Looking soft.
Why are you got weshammers hair???
Once again the Khan is proven to be the best Primarch. This is how things should have happened:
Magnus: I can’t believe dad banned psykers.
Khan: Bro this is just a big song and dance to shut Leman and Morty up. Just do some minor shit and wait for this to blow over. You think dad, the most powerful psyker would actually ban psykers.
Magnus: You’re right. Thanks Jag.
Khan: Happy to help little brother.
The khan is the best primarch
The most reasonable attitude towards everything, and the sickest burns. He’s the best.
The Khan's "common sense" passive is hilariously OP in-universe
@@irishwristwatch2487 There is this old meme about Deadpool saying "my common sense is tingling" and text under it saying "common sense - so rare it is god damn superpower"
@@irishwristwatch2487 all of Big E's common sense went to Jagathai
Not a fraction, all of it. Because it's Common, not Epic Sense or Legendary Sense
As Magnus is red, that means he goes 3 times faster in spellcasting and mana regenerating to the Orks when they encounter him.
Ooooo sh.t
That makes to much sense
Magnus vs the orks would be insane
@@abhinandannandan3863 its a joke it wouldnt work that way.
Magnus is obviously Red/Blue. Burn and deny spellcaster...'just as planned!' Shenanigans
And I bet you are right, Orks would love him and probably consider him....the Weirdest Boi
@@ratatouilledrinksclorax9897 well it's the orks.
Has magnus ever faced the orks?
I've only read upto flight of the ES in the horus haresy, am reading fulgrim now
So I don't know much about him
The red comet aproaches
My imagining of how the Alpha Legion actually reacted to the council was to shuffle their Librarians of into one of the many covert units of the Legion. Then they kept right on using them.
Getting a video about how each of the pre heresy primarchs would have reacted to being in Guillimans situation as imperial regent would be pretty cool ngl
He's ignoring you.
This doesn't make any sense IMO.
The idea doesn't work because they would need Guilliman's story arc.
Also, this question was already covered in a short. Majorkill said that it's a stupid idea as becoming lord regent of the imperium is a challenge specific to Guilliman. Plus, the other primarchs are getting similar stories like Angron destroying a planet, the Lion getting his forest walk abilities, and so on.
@@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperiumwhere? I can’t find it
This is the best example how to create enemies out of the best assets you have
I would love to see how a Nikaean Heresy would play out. Definitely Sanguinius, Khan, Magnus, Lion vs Guilliman, Dorn, Mortarian, and Russ to start.
The Khan is super based as always.
The biggest mistake the Emperor ever made. If this Big E had the foresight he had he would have not let it happen so he'd have Magnus for the Golden Throne during the Heresy. A big asset for Big E to complete his Webway.
But there is always that theory where Emperor knew and actually planned for everything.
Look at Horus. He was born doomed to be a corrupted. Only primarch that is Canonically out of Emperors calculation and foresight was Jagatai Khan and the other primarch switching planets😅
foresight in 40k isnt omniscience, when you use it you can get glimses of possible future events but just those events, everything in between is virtually unknown. Moreover in defense of big E he did tell magnus to not use warp powers aswell as that they where all aware that the warp was highly dangerous; he just didnt tell him of the chaos gods bc look at how easy they corrupted primarchs like fulgrim.
@@timexyemerald6290 So Bad writing and Plot holes?
Maybe it was very small chance for it, so they chose it. Besides seeing future variants diable ability to see obvious things..
He should have formally allowed the use of the librarius (with all the safeguards put in place AND installed the chaplains) but not made it compulsory for every legion to have one.
Then taken Magnus and the Thousand Sons to Terra. Magnus was key to the Webway project so keeping him in the dark was dumb to begin with (context: he told Mortarion about the Webway project). He then a) would have been able to keep an eye on Magnus and b) likely would have spotted why the fleshchange was being kept at bay as well as the Thousand Son's familiars all being machinations of Tzeentch and been able to do something about it.
Horus was definitely plotting during the counsel and the traitor primarchs were tryna point light at him to try and hide in the shadows longer
The emperor should have taken nikaea as a choice opportunity to explain the dangers of the warp and its 4 entities of great power and intellect. Explain that warp sorcery is different from warp powers and descends directly from those warp entities, and elucidate on his plans to protect mankind from the warp while mankind evolves into a psychic race. Tell magnus to chill on the sorcery and pursue runes as an chance to find the ancient root of human shamanistic power and create his own magic system.
I cant tell you how many times I've been startled awake by a plastic toy screaming "BOW TO ME". Ive genuinely lost count.
Really appreciate the chronology of enforcement and when it was deemed irrelevant. Helps flesh out the earlier time-line and how it relates to the current setting. Thank you for that
Just got one of the black 1 of 400 hoodies feels good to support a good TH-camr
Khan: _i recognice that the Emperor has made a decicion,but given that's a stupid ass decicion i have elected to ignore it._
Jaghatai and Sanguinius are the 2 absolute best primarchs. By a long shot.
No, the council was not to punish Magnus for breaking the webway. He had not done that yet. 6:25.
When Russ argued against Mag and the TS, do you think it's possible that Russ and his boys thought what they were doing was different than Mag?
I think that is what they believe I don’t know for sure. Remember hear that they do genuinely believe there is a difference with use of fenris as like a filter or something but same time this a story what we read and see these people in stories don’t so idk why people acting like hypocrisy is somehow not gonna happen, honestly still makes leman most human ngl
If I remember right there’s a conversation between Russ and Malcador where he calls him a hypocrite. Russ agreed with him and basically said who cares.
@@xedmin8424 Malcador never calls him a hypocrite, Russ says he might be but Malcador tells us that Russ has always been alive to the dangers of the warp and that it's one of the reasons there has always been "exceptions" for the Primarch of the 6th Legion.
Hawser stared up at the rune priest in quiet alarm. He could hear Aun Helwintr’s voice, but the priest’s lips were not moving.
‘The measure of your surprise, Ahmad Ibn Rustah,’ the rune priest murmured without using his mouth, ‘reflects the unconscious contempt you have for the Sixth Legion Astartes.’
‘Contempt? No-’
‘You cannot hide it. We are barbarians, arctic savages, gene-fixed and dressed up with war-tech, and sent off to do unseemly labour for our more cultured masters. It is a common belief.’
‘I never said that-’ Hawser protested.
‘Or even consciously thought it. But deep down inside you, there is a patronising sense of superiority. You are a civilised man, and you’ve come to study us, like a magos biologis observing some primitive tribe of throwbacks. We live like animals, and we follow shamans. And yet… Great Terra! Could it be that our shamans have real gifts? Genuine powers? Could it be that they are more than just bone-rattling, bead-jangling gothi, out of their heads on mushrooms, howling at the sky?’
‘Psionics,’ whispered Hawser.
‘Psionics,’ Aun Helwintr echoed, smiling. He used his real voice.
‘I had heard that some of the Legions actually had psyker contingents,’ said Hawser.
‘Most of them have,’ replied Helwintr.
‘But the occurrence is so very rare,’ Hawser said. ‘The mutation is a-’
‘The psyker mutation is a priceless asset to our species,’ said Helwintr. ‘Without it, we would be condemned to captivity on Terra. The Great Houses of the Navigators allow us to expand our reach. The astrotelepaths allow us to communicate over the gulfs. But caution must always be exercised. Control.’
‘Why?’
‘Because when you gaze out with your mind, you never know what will stare back.’
Do a vid about Iskandar Khayon.
jo majorkill i recently rewatched yozr series on how to fix the warhammer fantasy endtimes and thought maybe it would be a cool idea to make a series about how a 40k endtimes would play out if it wasnt shit
For Magnus? "Not well. Not well at all"
lookin good bro, love the hair
Every time humanity has a council at Nicaea mankind suffers
This is why the Kahn is my favorite Primarch.
How about this, You could do a ranking of how well each Primarch would do as Warmaster starting at the worst 'Angron, Conrad' and moving up to who you think would be the best.
I think he did a video along those lines a few months back. Might be worth doing a dive.
Some say that because the outcome ensured the loyalty of Primarchs like Russ and Rogal but considering who ended up on each side of the heresy and the character of each Primarch, I highly doubt that it affected the loyalty of anyone
Magnus is red
Guilliman is blue
I have five virus bombs Horus
All are for you.
Majorkill has become a React Channel now :p
I stay up till one just to catch ya vids mate
Before the Heresy: Fuck the psykers
After the Heresy : Maybe I judged too harshly
The more I hear about Jagutai Khan, the more I see him as Uncle Iroh from Avatar
When are you gonna talk about pariah nexus chief
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Been a space wolf player since before they had official models. Always loved the lore and viking in space thing they got going on. But its a cringe face palm every time the rune priest are brought up. Like fuck me they are obviously warp users. How could a being of primarch intelligence think otherwise.
Vulkan????
I hate to do it, but its libRarius.
I would have loved to have seen a preheresy battle between the emperors children and the spacewolves.
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Magnus did everything wrong. Thosand sons did nothing wrong
Not exactly. And honestly how can you not fuck up when you don't know the game the rules etc.? He did many things wrong but everything? Hell nah.
"The council of Nikea was a big L for the loyalists."
Yeah, because Magnus ignored it and completed screwed over the Loyalists.
"Psykers are the only weapon against some of the things they fought."
Yeah, it just so happens those things are only able to exist in realspace because of psykers using their powers.
"The council of Nikea was a badly written plot line."
Maybe, if you completely ignore things like: the Webway project, the flesh change, Tzeentch taking an interest in Magnus and the Thousands Sons from the very beginning, warp demons attaching themselves to Thousand Sons as 'familiars', and basically all of the Thousand Sons lore from pre Heresy to Heresy then yes the counsil of Nikea was nothing but lazy writing with no real use or meaning.
forgot g man
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Bro i am mystified how do these channels exist and get so many views? GW has created a mythology that people want to learn about so they can sell pieces of unpainted plastic for a 10,000 percent markup. You are a good looking, articulate bloak who has become an expert in a bizarre niche, but I respect hardwork and profit seeking.
The Khan sounds super epic whenever MK talks about him, but the Scars book is shit and everyone in it utterly forgettable.
Sad to see so many of them be so negative.
People who want to see a video on all the weapons that can permanently kill a daemon of chaos
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Why did you dye your hair..... lmao
Disagree that it was weak writing, I think it shows the disharmony of the Primarchs. And their individual apathy, hypocrisy, and fallacious thinking. It showed them as fallible. Completely agree that it was a big L by the big E!
Lol. Contrived plot lines written just to push the story forward with no true rhyme or reason? Couldn’t be GW😂
Majorkill is too scared to do a 'proper' fake Asian accent when impersonating jaghatai khan. TH-cam and the sponsors got him by the balls
Algorithm comment
You need to learn how to pronounce Library. Its not Liberry.
1st
Bad vid, forgot the 2nd and 11th legion
The more we learn about the Primarchs, the more based Jagathai becomes
And has the most based psyker on his side Chief Stormseer Targutai Yesugei
So based they voted for Trump
Common Sense is not so common in Humanitys Greatest
Best primarch
@@Tpainactual You know Warhammer was make in the UK, Right?
Or, well, at least, dont be a egocentrical American and not make everything American-Mode?
Big E: "I am not God and Magic is bad!"
Also Big E: *acts totally not a God and practices Magic*
You mean the giant guy clad in golden armor with a halo of psychic energy around his head and emanating from
his eyes? Not a god but he plays on on TV.
Not to mention that Emperor techs are all Warpcrafts since he bans A.I tech tree development for humanity's reclaims of their technological advancements and flourishing both civilisations and martial prowess
Even his biomancy to creates Primarchs, Thunder Warriors and space marines, to Adeptus Custodes' training methods to build resistance to Chaos entities are all dependent on tampering to The Warp
Yet he play all pissed off about Magnus' enthusiasm to tap into powers of The Warp, all while not explaining anything to Magnus on how and why it could be detrimental if he gone too far, no paternal/parental guidances, no closer bondings with Magnus and further psychological damages inflicted to so many of his Primarchs from his inconsistent policing that it makes more Primarchs either became traitor, falls to Chaos or being disjointed even as loyalists
It's so disastrous in details that those few little details alone can make Imperium became more rationally driven to expand and have better relations with even better measure of resistance to (if not outright pushing the taints away) Chaos, it's so stupid and pathetic, Magnus could've become the remote holder of Golden Throne and he could become the new beacon for Terra while Emperor can do Webway projects and other counter-chaos measures way smoother with more loyalists ffs (oh not to mention that Emperor doesn't leave dating and archiving historical records better, it's all scribbled jumbles of sophist propaganda garbages, having terrible dating and recording of anything makes Imperium falls so hard, Servitors are so inefficient compared to glimpses of how tamed-A.I computers or even normal computers could've been in 40K current timeline, logistics disaster, no wonder current Guilliman got so frustrated and allows more of many heterodox stuffs akin to Cawl's antics and shenanigans to be more legalised under Imperium tech tree and psyker-growth enhancements)
Big E should have decreed that Magnus and his Legion should come with him to Terra where they will be part of His Imperial Webway Project and kept a closer eye on them.
That was why he sent Leman to bring Magnus to Terra, Horus just changed the orders
@@chiefkeef74no leman was sent to bring him in for disobeying the emperor, using psyker powers and destroying the web way project. He just changed the order from “apprehended” to “eliminate”
@@chiefkeef74 should have done it sooner then later.
@@chiefkeef74I mean, that does kinda show the Big E's lack of small picture foresight. He coulda sent Jaghatai or Lion or someone, but he picked the Primarch most likely to just try and kill him
By then the Webway project was already fucked, he needed to do it sooner.@@chiefkeef74
Honestly moments like these feel like a reminder of the humanity of Emps.
It's like a boomer father banning all electronic devices and the son getting access anyways, only to get catfished by some pedo, and now feeling unable to ask dad for help
@rbjensen530 Best allegory ever :-)))
Bro, A+
It’s crazy how the emperor didn’t seem to value the Khan compared to his brothers despite the fact his personality and critical thinking is something the emperor wanted humanity to adopt. Really hope he’s the next primarch to come back
The Emperor suspected that the Khan was going to betray him because he was actually supposed to do just that. The Emperor seemingly had some notion that the HH, was going to happen but had only a vague idea of when, why or how. The Khan was switched with Fulgrim by Cegorach with regard to where they were supposed to land and, by extension, which of them was more likely to turn Traitor.
The khans safeguard approach is like the parents that tell their kids how contraceptives work because they know how they're reaching "that age" and want them to be safe as well as how to be safe when drinking and how drug addiction works.
It's the smart thing to do some are going to experiment give them the knowledge to so it safely. My parents gave me those talks but I avoided it all anyhow cause I'm a Nerd
Khan remains the best Primarch
The council “psyker are now band!”
Jaghatai Kahn “I’ll ignore that”
Angron: RULES DON'T APPLY TO ME
Russ: I don't have psykers, I have Rune Priests
The khan actually left the council before it ended. He did not learn of the decision until after the heresy had begun. He left his chief librarian to fill in for him. In the books it is thought that it the khan had been there the outcome would have been different as he was one of the three big pro psycher primarchs
Could you do a video on how many STCs the imperium has? Would be sorta interesting
Hello Majorkill,
Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Pretty please? Thank you.
Jaghatai is a certified Chad, no further questions.
I’ll admit that I am a big thousand sons fan and really like Magnus, but man has majorkill really been pushing me to start loving the khan more and more. The dude is just on a whole other level of smart, badass and all around a critical thinker. If I ever actually decide to build an army, I really don’t know who I want to start with. Yeah white sucks to paint with but it would be a fun challenge.
Majorkill’s explanation of the Khan’s reaction to the Heresy rocks. “Yeah, Dad is a gigantic prick, buuuut you guys are now working for literal actual Hell, so thanks but no thanks.”
Honestly I got into the Scars for exactly this reason. White isn't harder. It's just different.
I started liking Dorn when I got into TTS, Majorkill's descriptions of the Khan and a few lore videos I saw in him elsewhere got me into him and he similarly got me over the bump on memes about Guilliman being boring (somehow, his competency as an administrator is now my favorite aspect of his talents)
Come to think of it, aren't Dorn, Jaghatai also part of his "Indomitable four" that Guilliman felt he could win any war with those brothers as allies?
@@justinweber4977 Dorn was part of Guilliman's 'Dauntless Few', the Khan wasn't. Partially because Guilliman didn't know the Khan (the only ones who did consisted of Horus, Sanguinius and Magnus in fact), partially because he had an obsession with pursuing orthodoxy in methodology.
@@discountplaguedoctor88 Dang, got the membership AND the group name wrong...
But thanks for the correction!
Do a video on the chief librarian from each legion
But majorkill what did the 2nd and 11th primarchs think about the ruling?
The eleventh primarch had hot eldar girlfriend so the Big E had to make him disappear (at least until Girlyman had one) and the second one was twisting his balls with space magic so they purged him out of pity.
"But.... Majorkill!!!" 😂😂😂😂😊 sounding like a Timmy over there.
12:51 I don’t think the outcome of the council of Namibia means it’s necessarily weak writing by the authors. Instead, I see it as another example of the folly of humanity as a whole. You could look at the council of Nokia as a meta-analysis of the human psyche and how the group, as a whole, often hurts itself in an attempt to please the loudest voice in the room, which often comes from the fewest in the room as well.
13 primarchs supported the use of psykers, with 3 of them creating the librarius for psykers to hone their skills and increase their efficiency in psychic warfare.
While only 5 others did not support psykers with 2 of them actively taking measures to oppress psyker activity because of their personal opinions and grudges towards one specific person getting in the way of what’s good for the group as a whole.
All of this is happening while the Emperor, who was too distracted with his own ambitions to take the time needed to understand the drama happening between his sons, just wanted to take the swiftest course of action so he could go back to focusing on his own project.
To me, this is a great example of what happens all the time in real life. A few, or sometimes VERY select few, people have a largely selfish motivation for taking action against something they don’t like in support of changing things to how they THINK things should be. You can see this directly with Russ’s hypocrisy that comes out during the trial while still using psykers in his legion, and it comes up again when he talks about how wrong he was to have supported banning psykers.
Morty on the other hand, is completely selfish through and through and he cared so little about the consequences of banning psykers. This is because his selfish motivations and personal hatred of psykers go against the betterment of the imperium. I’m sure Typhus was greatly upset by morty’s decision to ban psykers in his legion, which only amplified his love for Nurgle’s gifts.
With all that noise and activity getting stirred up by those few voices, the people with the power to make those changes, I.e. the Emperor, are not as deeply concerned about the issue at hand as the few are. So the Emperors ultimate failure from all of this is him not looking at the historical evidence of how effective his psyker forces were in the great crusade and instead, allowed pure subjective reasoning to be the ultimate factor in his decision making. If the emperor acted a little bit more pragmatic in the situation, he could have seen that sacrificing a critical force like psykers would not have been worth pleasing Russ and Morty and attempting to restrain magnus.
Meanwhile, on the opposite end, many primarchs who do support the use of psykers are not speaking out as loudly as their opponents, either because they may not be aware of how useful their psykers are, like Dorn, or they have personal grievances with Magnus and are willing to screw themselves over if that means Magnus gets what they think he deserves, looking at Corvus and Fulgrim with that one, and lastly, there are those that do understand their importance but they also prioritize the word of Law that comes from the Emperor’s mouth, like Sanguinius and Guilliman, rather than following what they believe is the right outcome, like Magnus and Khan.
Essentially, the division amongst those who support psykers, prevented them from creating a common ground for which they could unite to convince the emperor, along with the Emperors failure to focus on the issue at hand rather solely caring about his future plans that would have invalidated this entire trial as a circus instead of the outrageously backfired plan that it actually became, allowed the 5 primarchs, who had their own reasons for not wanting psykers but had enough of a common ground to form a united cause to ban psykers, was the reason why the council of Nike ended up the way it did.
I mean, that’s how I interpreted the outcome.
Council of Namibia 💀💀
The issue is, the decision to ban the psykers was solely the Emperors and a sensible compromise was suggested. So it rapidly becomes just a failing of the Emperors. If they'd had the Primarchs vote on the subject, that would make more sense as a failing of humanity overall.
Magnus did nothing wrong ( except everything)
Council of Nicea - aka the glorified Trial of Magnus the Red.
Fun fact: there is a group of death guard black shields who where traitor on the events of istvaan 3 and 5 but when Mortarion embrace his psychic abilities they dump him for hypocrite
And yet only one legion has Librarian Dreadnoughts.
Day 310 of requesting a Commissar Yarrick Major Mini pls and thank you.
Perturabo also built the Thaleokron that the council was to take place in. After the edict, he basically gets the ick about building something he thought was for a healthy debate, but which actually just turned out to put his bro Magnus on trial.
Superb video as always @majorkill.
Could you make a video dedicated to the Navigators, the major houses, their politics, relation to the overall Imperium and factions, etc?
Jagathai is the most real primarch, man didnt care and saw everything for what it was, didnt fall in line with blind loyality amd questioned the weird shit going on leading up to the heresy amd the trators
How about a video on the specialisms of each legion - Raven Guard (stealth), Death Guard (attrition), Imperial Fists (defence), Iron Warriors (siege), etc. I struggle with most of them.
Angron = "you make my head hurt So fucking bad.... But it pisses Dad off, so... Do what you Want, unless you fuck about with Me"
Jaghatai: so basically I don't care
Day 17 of asking for a video on Trajann Valoris
Where’s the “primarchs in Guilliman’s place” guy?
What?
#Majorkill bro..
Can you make a video about the types of daemons that Adeptus Custodes,sister of silence and mechanicus had to face after the destruction of webway project?
The Khan being based yet again
The Space Wolves attitude to Psykers is part of the reason I can never get along with them in 30k. Mostly because I've never seen them get called out on their hypocritical bullshit. Most I've seen is Dorn asking if Russ is proud of taking out a loyal legion after Prospero.
Enough bootleg ass video ideas give us how each primarch would react to being in gullimans situation
Big E doesn't want Magnus the Red to explore the warp.
Meanwhile, Khaldor Draigo
The Thousand Sons could have been the Grey Knights of the Great Crusade era, instead they were a bunch of nerds with superiority complexes. I'm glad Leman gave the legion a wedgie and then a swirly while their crush watched
In the book Head of The Hydra, Alpharius states that he was on Magnus's side regarding psykers, he believed that the tool needed to be mastered
Video 44 of asking ‘What if Nykona Sharrowkyn
Insert Stormseers and the most reasonable primarch.
"Lol, no."
- Jaghatai Khan
pre heresy primarchs being the imperial regent
All these primarchs recently, you need a pallet cleanser. How about a video on T'au ethereal Aun Shi because he's awesome. Plus I've been asking for a year @majorkill
"Ror." Said the Khan. "Rmao."
Horus and Magnus the most arrogant primarchs who couldnt just do what they were told .... fcked the entire galaxy .
But horus did
And magnus, was legit made to use the warp, so it makes sense
hell yeah more videos
Can we see some of the interesting HH battles, like the Xana incursion, a badass blackshield and zombie astartes moment. Or “the titan death”
The Lord of Iron Built the Chamber that would condemn his brother.
Tragic, emperor allowed him to build something...
Magnus should've been exiled after this.
The Crusade was nearing closure, and it was obvious to the Big E that Magnus wasn't going to stop exploring the warp; he should have been exiled, or possibly killed.
Killed by the Imperium of Hypocrits.
The throne was designed as an eternal torture for him. He was still needed. He was always meant for the throne and the throne for him.
Big E couldn't kill Magnus. He needed him to sit on the throne so Big E didn't have to. What the Emperor *should* have done is taken Magnus off the front lines, back to Terra to work with him on the Webway project. Enroute he could explain in greater depth the dangers of what Magnus was doing and how important the Webway project was to humanity. I mean, Magnus was supposed to be a key figure in the project to begin with. Makes sense you'd want him aware right?