The VFA-37 F/A-18 shielded the 7 of us from the vertical stabilizer of the S3 being knocked off. Our 7 man team of trouble shooters from VFA-105 wouldn’t be here if not shielded by the drop tank of that F18. It was wedged under the net next to us, only a few feet away. I remember looking up and seeing the ejection seats shooting out of the humongous ball of flames. Then flaming debris started falling to the flight deck. We had to run in circles to avoid getting hit by falling debris. Then we all ran towards to fire hoses to help put out the fires. I am sure this memory is etched in everyone’s brain who were involved. I still remember like it was yesterday. Thank you for sharing sir 🙏🏾
Oh my god. What a nightmarish experience for everyone. I have a few regrets in life, now that I'm out of enlistment age, and one of them that I never thought I'd have, is not serving. It's such a cool experience serving on a carrier and I wish I could've experienced it. Thanks for your service, you are all heroes.
This video impacts me on so many levels. I was on the USS Eisenhower in the Persian Gulf at the time of this mishap. The Enterprise was coming to relieve us. I was also an LSO. The right-seater (NFO) in 503 was my college roommate. His name was Brendan Duffy. As his friend I was tremendously saddened that he died so young, and it hit me really hard at the time. It will always be an emotional hotspot for me. As a Naval Aviator and LSO I was disgusted by how he was let down by every level of protection and professionalism designed to keep him (and his crew) safe. At the time, Navy Doctrine claimed there was a benefit to flying a night pass even knowing it would end in a wave-off. This mishap proved that to be wrong. The S-3 should never have been allowed to land knowing it would lock the deck. Afterwards, instead of immediately waving off the Prowler, CATTC told 503 to go "hook up". What?! The deck is locked and foul. What's the difference between hook up and hook down when you cannot land at all?! I was a Wing-qualled LSO and I will say without a doubt the primary blame for this mishap was the LSOs. The deck was forever foul and really they should have waved off the Prowler at the ball call. But they were being pressured to allow crews to get as much "practice" as possible, because it was CQ. Had the S-3 been waved off much of this problem would have been resolved. The Handler was wrong for allowing the S-3 to land. The Air Boss was wrong for encouraging night touch and go's, and for allowing a foul deck landing. Plenty of enlisted could have spoken up knowing the deck was foul (this would be unfair to expect, because the enlisted have all been trained to defer to the officers). As painful as it is for me to admit, the LSO's are primarily to blame. They never waved the Prowler off, even though the deck was clearly shown to be foul the entire time. My friend (and 3 others) died that night because my colleagues failed them.
AD2 here. I was an aircraft maintainer for VFA-37 on that difficult cruise on the Big-E. This was my second cruise, my first cruise being on the Theodore Roosevelt (the Big Stick) which I was on when we collided with the Leyte Gulf, which is another story for another time. You know, there has been a lack of complete information until this day since this mishap happened. I appreciate very much, you interviewing Walleye, who I remember his call sign on that aircraft. These were what was known to me and I speak on behalf of my fellow sailors who served with me on that deployment: 1. I thought it was the CO and XO of VS-22 (Checkmates) in the S-3 mishap aircraft. 2. LSO at 100% fault and never knew what happened to this person since then. It was nothing short of a miracle that anyone survived. Thank God. A buddy of mine who was an AD with HS-7 (Dusty Dawgs) manned the fire nozzle fighting the fire on the S-3, which the number 2 engine which remained running. Before they grabbed fire hoses, that S-3 rolled to a stop, or stopped against another aircraft (it is possible the parking brakes were set before ejection/don’t know). Somehow, they were able to shut down that engine. But right after ejection, it was witnessed that one, or both pilots were ON FIRE and it was assumed ejection was the only course of action because of the fire. During this mishap as it unfolded, our pilots of our F/A-18 squadron were following the hand signals of our Plane Captains getting started up. At this point, the APUs were started when a flaming wing came sliding under one of our VFA-37 hornets. Our junior Plane Captain had to dive out of the way. Another junior pilot in that very aircraft, immediately egressed as the plane was burning with the APU left running. This plane was later craned off when we stopped at Crete. The S-3 was stripped and dumped out at sea. It didn’t occur to me that the Air Boss contributed to this. This is new information and I thank you Carroll for your channel. Walleye, that aircraft that crashed in Fallon, I think you are referring to Lt Nolan of our squadron. I was very much a part of the team of people recovering aircraft parts that week. HS-7 had a helicopter go down a week or two later/before causing a Safety Stand Down. Lt Nolan was a very humble and nice man to us maintainers. His memorial service was sad, but his friends that he flew with really cheered everything up by reflecting on memories and in a aviator’s sacred way, get us laughing with funny memories. So deployment with the Big E that this mishap took place was really a challenging deployment. Not only did this deadly mishap take place within the first week of our 6 month deployment, but we had a significant fire onboard the ship on Thanksgiving morning that resulted serious smoke damage to our aft berthing sections. It was again, a miracle that no one died from smoke inhalation. A month later, we were engaged with Operation Desert Fox, sending ordnance and Tomahawk Cruise missiles into Iraq and watching this unfold live on CNN as the lights go out in the background as Christiana Amanpour (sp?) is reporting a explosion in the background. That was another surreal experience. Again later in our Persian Gulf deployment, the Big E suffers a fresh water incident in the engineering area and we can operate at a maximum speed of 7 knots with one operational screw. The ship vibrated pretty badly like this until we made an unscheduled port visit in the UAE (kitty box) as civil engineer took up some space in the Galley with blue prints, fixing the problem. Thank you, for the interview and additional insight into this mishap. What an honor to serve with all of you 🫡🇺🇸 Mike
I was on both of the cruises with you shipmate. I was attached to VFA-105. I was one of the Gunslinger troubleshooters that were on deck and helped put the fire out.
@@michaelmappin4425 they deleted the Phalanx CIWS on that rear corner of the fantail after the repairs. The original in that area was dragging behind the ship.
Walleye's recollections of that mishap were riveting. His thoughts about the situation, survival and activity on the deck and in the water were stunning. I was struck by his memories of his burns and thoughts of his mortality and family. Incredible episode that I'll remember for awhile. Wow
His recollection of the voice that came to him in his darkest hour is haunting.... And reminiscent. I too was in a bad circumstance and had a calming voice telling me how easy it would be to let my life end. Thankfully, he listened to the same Angel I did and is here today.
I agree. What a compelling account. I'm pro-gloves. If Don Garlitz and Mario Andretti can wear them, then so should a pilot. I've been a sailor and worked in various industries. If you don't protect yourself, you are doomed. I would have loved to have gotten more information on the incident report. I see an number of contributing factors and suspect a few others, such a sleep deprivation. Working at sea can make regular sleep difficult. A 4" mattress on a steel cot is a tough way to go. This holds true for CQ's, as you are training sailors that might not be acclimated and are under stress to perform at a high level.
Just a regular guy here. Would love to know how often general quarters is sounded for drills. Kind of like hearing your first fite alarm at school when you're a little kid. And then hearing your first fire alarm when you're a teacher. Always hoping you do everything right, always hoping it's just a drill. So eventually when it isn't I drill, those thoughts aren't in your mind anymore. For an aircraft carrier it looks more like mobilizing a small City in 30 seconds. Quite impressive when it's Showtime
I was a Plane Captain with VMFA-312, and had just came up on deck in the six-pack when that happened. By far one of the scariest experiences of my life.
@kevinmiller5780 The worst was we did not know they had ejected because it happened so fast. I just remember the fire pouring out of the front left canopy and thinking the crew was still in the aircraft.
Praise God for His care, help, and provision to the pilot in the water. And for the antenna catching the other. We'll have to wait to see why the others' time was up so soon, and what depths of God's love and care were for them.
Great video, Ward. As for gloves and sleeves, as a newby LT in Army flight school, the cadre had a retired Air Force colonel speak to the class in the first week. He was missing an ear and was horribly disfigured, obviously from a fire. He told his story of crashing his T-80 and as the plane came to rest his ungloved hands hanging over the railing of the cockpit essentially melted away and how he spent weeks in the burn ward in San Antonio with his burnt hand sewn into his abdomen in an attempt to save it. I'm not sure how many classes he spoke to, but it made an impression. You rarely see Army aviators flying without their Nomex gloves tucked tightly under their flight suit sleeves. We even took it so far as to wear our dog tags under the collar of our flight suits so the chain wouldn't burn our necks. Granted, Army helicopters refuel and rearm "hot" (while running) so the threat is higher, but I never forgot those lessons and the ones who taught them.
I had recently left VS-22 for duty as a FASO Acoustic and Oceanography instructor. The Viking model behind his right shoulder was of Vidar 706 in the accident and it was built by me as a gift. I’m glad he still has it.
Thanks for letting CDR Wallace speak uninterrupted. His testimony was powerful, and his event dramatic. Go Team Mooch. Long live Naval Aviation and those who dare such.
I was just off active duty in the Army, and a junior lawyer in a big firm. One of my colleagues was a Navy brat, married to a Naval Aviator. We had a friendly Army-Navy rivalry. I was aware of the mishap, but she came to my office, shut the door, and told me: LTJG Duffy was her brother. That young officer was third generation USNA on both sides of his family tree. Such a loss for the family, for the Navy, and for our country.
"I just climbed right in....It was a beautiful thing" pretty much says it all. As much as Walleye through he was not in control, the training drilled into all naval aviators had him in control as much as the situation would allow! What a riveting account of this hellacious mishap!
I was about 30NM away when the flash filled the goggles. Was the third helo on scene. It was extremely dark and when our anti-collision lights flashed it reflected much of the aircraft debris in the water. If I recall 703 had FLIR and we were working with them to get an effective search. We were hovering from item to item in the water. While in a hover one of our crew picked up the strobe and we were able to slide over and pick up Walleye. The SAR swimmer, AW3 Lierman was only in the squadron a few months and did quite a great job getting Walleye safely into the helo. Coming back aboard, the angle was flooded with AFFF and we had to get Walleye back aboard for medical attention and was quite concerned with causing a re-flash as we landed. Brought back a lot of memories from that night.
My dad was WW2 PBY crew chief petty officer and in charge of a bunch of men in maintenance as well. He told me many stories of men dying over inattention to detail and distraction. He always told me and I will never forget "Pay attention to detail or it will bite you in de tail." He was a hard man to work around as a dad very critical and I could not even look in the wrong direction during a task. I am very grateful for these lessons from my dad.
Hi Ward, Walleye and Hoser! This was an outstanding video and story! At that time, I was training at VS-41 (WestPac S-3 Rag Squadron) and we had a safety stand down to learn from your mishap. I remember clearly that we were told to wear skull caps, gloves, sleeves down for future flights. I always wore my gloves, cap and had my sleeves down! Walleye, thank you for your story! Riding in the McDonnell Douglas Escapac Ejection was a stressful thing as we all awaited that moment were the pilot could “Command Eject” us! For me, it never happened! God bless you all!
Ward, I am a retired (medical) Naval Aviator, survivor of an A-3D crash at Whidbey Island NAS, February 1970. I have watched all of your videos with the attention and critical analysis only a fellow Naval Aviator can have. This is your best and most meaningful to the Naval Aviation group, in my opinion. I read many of the comments from other readers. They all agree that you did an outstanding job presenting this. Thank you for all of your excellent videos.
Gumby Barrich started out a a A-6B pilot,he was with VA-75 and weflew missions with them as VAQ-130 part of CVW-3 in Desert Shield/Desert Storm in 1990-1991. Later he transitioned to EA-6Bs and I flew a flight with him before this boat det as a PTI, I did his level 4 stan check. I remember seeing him in VAQ-130 spaces we talked a bit and I told him to have a good det and see ya soon. Three days later he was dead. The Air Boss was a good friend who I worked for at VAQ-129 and the mini was a EA-6B guy. This whole thing made me sick and I questioned whether I should stay in or get out. I lost some faith in the Navy at this point, luckily I went back to sea duty in 2001 on CVN-72 and that helped me rediscover my love in the Navy. Miss you Gumby.
I was there that night as an ordnanceman with VMFA-312, attached to CAG-3 that night. I worked CAG arm-dearm. The night of the accident, they were doing night CQ's, we were in the shop, just below the landing area, getting suited up to go topside and secure our airplanes for the night. The Enterprise had just left Norfolk earlier that day, recieved the airings, and about to transit the Atlantic for out Med cruise (which ended up being a Persian Gulf cruise with Operation Desert Fox, Southern Watch, and later Kosovo). Anyway, we were just about to head topside when we heard a loud bang, and the clatter of matter hitting the deck, and the TV automatically switched to the flight deck channel, and we saw the fire ball, and proceeding chaos. "Fire Fire Fire, Fore on the Flight Deck!" Followed by "General Quarters, General Quarters, All Hands to your General Quarters Stations!" Then "Man Overboard, Port Side, This is NOT a Drill!" We scurried through the ship, having to take the long route to come up behind the island because of the hatches locked down for GQ. By thr time I got topside, I just jumped on a hose team and watched for flair ups. Then casualty evacuations, then a for walk to pick up debris from the foam. It was a long and heartbreaking night. Great to see you doing well Walleye! ~Then LCpl Vandergriff, VMFA-312 Ordnance.
I remember the CAG lost an F18 out at Fallon, I think from VFA-105 or VFA-37, but I forgot we also lost a Tomcat from VF-32 during workup. They splashed off the port side when they flew over for the break and had a flight control surface failure. They both ejected safely. I witnessed that from the flight deck. That was a crazy workup and cruise. Unfortunately a CAT worker (green shirt) got sucked in to the intake of an S3 on the waist CAT, but luckily forhim, he only lost an arm, thanks to the quick reaction of the pilot who saw what was going on and quickly shut the engine down. Thanks for the great video and interview, Mooch!
Same for me. We were Port Side about where HS-7 lands and when we tuned into the Plat Cam, we thought it was an incident with the helicopter at first. I passed blood in our passageways from superficial wounds of others as we made our way to the roof.
@@jasonvandergriff7809that would be VFA-37, Lt Nolan who perished that day. I was part of the recovery crew that whole week. He was a really humble and nice aviator to us maintainers. Back as a new Plane Captain at NAS Cecil Field, I helped prepare his plane, strap him up and get him going.
Gumby and I were roommates on that cruise. I CQ’d that airplane the night before and watched the mishap real time. As a former Airwing LSO, I was horrified by this mishap - and the follow on investigation and consequences. I left the Navy largely due to how this mishap was handled and who ended up being blamed. The responsibility did not fall on the shoulders of the Airboss. Walleye - it’s great to see you again and I’m glad you are well. Fly Navy
I’m not an aviator but my FiL was. He was born in Berlin in June 1945 and as a child his family lived near the end of the main runway at Templehof and he and his brothers were on the receiving end of the “Candybombers” during the Berlin airlift. my FiL later flew in the Luftwaffe in the ‘60s-early ‘80s but this episode was a great way to spend an hour on July 4. It reminded me of what it takes to keep the USA the USA. My respect to everyone.
at the end of this podcast, I had a tear in my eye... thinking NAVY, I've got to put a plug in for my father who passed away recently... he was a lowly 17 year old seaman on the USS Grafton during the battle of Okinawa... he was NAVY through and through... love you Dad.
It’s never just one thing. Seemingly minor glitches stack up, inoperable lights, field of view obstructions, short comm cord, some minor distraction, responses slowed by fatigue, maybe, and suddenly the margin of safety vanishes in the blink of an eye and it is a disaster. This is true in so many fields of human endeavor. Thanks for your service, gentleman.
In 1978-79, my destroyer, USS Hollister (DD-788) was plane guard when there was a ramp strike while supporting carrier qualifications off of San Diego. We stood by while the helicopter attempted to recover the NFO who was entangled in his parachute. Rescue swimmer got exhausted so we launched the motor whale boat and we went in and got the helicopter swimmer, NFO and returned to ship. Incident gave me nightmares due to heavy swells, entangling boat propeller, darkness, soaked in cold water and extreme movement as we recovered the boat with it slamming against the ships side. Unfortunately the NFO died but no one else did. RIP
I knew LCDR Kurt "Gumby" Barich. We served on NIMITZ together, he was Flag staff and I was COD OIC. He flew A-6's before and this was his first tour in Prowlers. I still remember the phone call I received from his former room mate on NIMITZ about his death. Sad day for all.
Hey knuckles, Groucho here. The memories are flooding back. Sure miss Gumby and think of him often. I also remember a field arrested landing at pearl harbor in a Cod with pilot knuckles. V/R groucho
Damn, great episode! Kurt was my cousin. I was a young Army Lt when he died. Later in my career, I was lucky enough to be an LNO to CAW8 on the Bush. I spent a lot of time on the LSO platform, and the LSOs there were awesome about letting me be the foul deck caller as a tribute to Kurt. I am glad that Walleye and Swinger survived the night and no one else died. The military business is inherently dangerous, and we are lucky to men and women who do it out there every day, acknowledging the risks as they defend our Country.
I served with Walleye when we were JO’s. He was two years senior to me and we cruised together in 1989 (his second, my first). As a senior LT and LSO, he was the guy you went to with questions about everything S-3 NATOPS and JO life in general. Just a genuine dude who was fortunate to survive that incident. I hope to see him at the Viking reunion next year!
We met a Viking pilot at the Naval Air Museum in Pensacola. Very humble fellow. Having seen an S3 at the museum I was curious about how the crew would even get into the bird, and was impressed at the courage it must have required to serve as part of a Viking squadron. Today’s video took my admiration to a new level. So grateful for good ejection seats and for sharp minded pilots. What a humble and honest account from a man who never wanted to eject, but made the right decision in a fraction of a second in terrible circumstances late at night. Thank God!
Excellent episode sir. "Walleye's" explanation of events as they happened to him made you feel you were there with him. Thank you all for your service. USN PR2 1971-75
Tremendous hearfelt thanks to all three of you gentlemen for performing extremely dangerous jobs while in the service of protecting our country and keeping us all safe. Mr. Carroll - next time we run into each other at the 7-11 near The Academy the coffee's on me! An extra great job on this video Mr. Carroll - tears in my eyes at the end. God bless all three of you.
Love your channel CDR, and watch just about every episode - this one hit home. Brendan Duffy was my cousin and one of the best people I ever knew. When he was in flight school, my home in New Orleans was his home away from home. It was really inspiring for a young boy to have a house full of student Naval Aviators on the weekends. Those guys were were my idols, and a big reason I served in the military. Some of my fondest memories was Brendan waking me up on those Saturday mornings for yet another adventure. He truly was the big brother I never had. I miss him everyday.
Love to hear stories like this on your video. As an aircrewman on a P-3 in he 60's and 70's I have never forgotten the amount of training it takes to do that safely. Thanks again.
A riviting recollection of a tragic night of carrier ops...god bless all those that died that night and those that miraculously survived. Thx Mooch, Hoser and Walleye
Kurt Barich was a childhood friend in Albuquerque NM and two years behind me as an NROTC mid. I was very saddened and grief stricken by this tragic event.
Mooch, Thank you for another great episode! As it started, I was expecting a 'Grandpa Pettibone' story, then I see Greg is the storyteller! We were AOCS Classmates, 34-82, and I hadn't seen him since October 1982. He talked about his mishap with poise, incredible detail and faith in his training, shipmates and God. My heart goes out to those lost and their families and friends. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for letting CDR Wallace speak. His testimony was moving, and his experience dramatic. Your end photo of his jet is one of the most dramatic images I've seen. While I appreciate your current events coverage, Naval aviation stories like the Carrier Pilot's Nightmare Story are why I found and follow you. Mooch on!
Emotionally-gripping episode and very professional interview allowing the pilot to get through his story in his own words without badgering him with questions. Carrier aviation is dangerous business. Takeaway for each sailor is to do your job or people can die. Thanks to all naval aviators for your service. Fly Navy.
Wow, Mooch, just wow. So glad to hear stories from aviators like Walleye; so thankful for his recovery from that tragic event. Thoughts/prayers go up for the families of the crew of the Prowler.
This was very emotional to watch. I'm sure all of us who have cheated death can relate. Praise God Walleye was spared and went on to be able to share his experiences that will hopefully save lives in the future. It's strange how little details compile and don't add up but multiply to create a perfect storm.
Chills watching this. God bless the men. What an amazing interview. My good friend Ltcmdr Mark Robertson was an S3 guy onboard the Kennedy. Thank you to all..
What a powerful and personal episode “Walleye’s” description of his private conversation in the life raft probably hits home with a lot veterans that follow your channel, it certainly did with me BZ to you all
Thank you Mooch, for this powerful and moving video. I WESTPACed on the Big (76-77), and watched many recoveries from Vultures Row. Even though this happened 25 years ago, watching the video of the S-3 sitting at the end of the angle deck, and knowing what was about to happen caused me to squirm in my seat. God was definitely with Walleye that tragic night.
Mooch, thank you for the thoughtful way you presented this story. I was still at the Center for Naval Analyses when that happened. Sending prayers for all who were touched by the incident.
What a tragic story and superb great recounting of Walleye's story of survival after such a horrific mishap. Thank you Ward, Hozer, and Walleye for taking the time to share this emotional story.
I was on watch on the bridge of the USS Nicholas FFG-47 when this incident happened. We were only a few miles away (vacapes op-area)and watched as the events unfolded.
Well Ward, never did I think a video of yours would bring me to tears....I guessed soooooo wrong, just wow....that anyone in either aircraft survived (RIP all those aboard the Prowler 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽), let alone anyone on the deck in close proximity survived is just purely beyond belief. Watching the footage was just chilling....then you introduce Walleye...and just wow again. I had an hour to watch & listen to the story...the first time...the second viewing was to listen and read the comments....and again....another wow to just how many of the commenters were aboard, or had degrees of separation to this incident....soooo many wow's throughout the story itself, and the comments attributed to it....just goes to prove no matter how ingrained a naval aviator is in their trade...they are so reliant upon others when their aircraft is in an attitude that the pilot is blind to what lies ahead of them....balls of titanium!!! The tears were welling in the first viewing, then the eyes sprung a leak with the closing memorial to those on the Prowler that were lost in this terrible accident....with Eternal Father playing....well the leak turned to a flood (was played at my fathers funeral, he too serving with the RAN aboard our carrier HMAS Sydney many many many moons ago)...well, yea that was it. Thank you firstly to Walleye for his vivid recollection, and reliving it like it was yesterday, secondly to those commenting whom were there or in some way had an association with it, thirdly to Hozer and yourself for bringing this to all of us, and finally to the 4 aboard the Prowler whom were serving their country....paying the ultimate price🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 !!!! Cheers and thank you again from Sydney Aus!!!! 🍻🍻🍻🍻
What a wonderful recount ability of such a horrible incident that brought tears to my eyes hearing how his faith & concerns for his fellow aviators dragged him to safety along with the rescue personnel. Sorry for the loss of life of the other aircraft. Thanks Ward for this.
This interview so vividly puts into view just how dangerous carrier flight ops is, under any condition or circumstance. I’m retired E-7, ANG, plain old ground troop CE bum, but I have associates who were blue water Navy, carrier duty, and I have nothing but the highest respect for our carrier crews. Great interview, Mooch.
Really great recap of a horrible night. As a brand new LSO at the time who also knew all four crewmembers on 503, this really hit home. Great to hear Walleye's account of it. And kudos to all 3 of you for not necessarily casting stones but emphasizing the critical lessons-learned.
I was on the "Prize" for 4 years and It's interesting to learn certain characteristics you never considered such as the position of the LSO Platform. Having two F-14A's positioned on Elevator 4 was common. Great video gentlemen, I very much enjoyed the story. Tragic for the loss of life on the Prowler, but at the same time, a blessing for the S-3 Crew.
Great episode - thanks. I've experienced what Walleye talked about how our brains can instantly go into ultra slow motion at crucial times. I was copilot in a KC-135 when we had a very, very, near miss with a DC-9, like a few feet. I was the only guy in either airplane who saw it. We were nose to nose and he was very close when I spotted him. The first thing that flashed in my mind when I saw the DC-9 was a very vivid image of me curled up in the fetal position in the middle of a huge ball of fire. I then realized that he was slightly below us, so I reached for the yoke to pull the nose up, but It occurred to me that if I did that our tail would drop before the airplane started to climb and that might be enough to clip the top of his empennage. All that in a second or two. That was about 60 years ago and I can still replay that like a video tape. Amazing what our brains can do in a second or so.
The thoughts and recollection of from eject until air rescue actually lifted this aviator out of the water is increadable. Training i believe has to do with alot of their survival but i actually herd that voice he spoke of. Of course my situation was much different but that's a incredible story. Rest in peace for those lost. God bless you all.
Oh man. I was aboard the Big E that night. Being a DCman I was privvy to when drills were scheduled most times. When the GQ klaxon went off I knew something was wrong but was saddened at the end to see just how bad.
Amazing. I was a V2-32 Mauler pilot a few years after Walleye and have 200 traps on the Enterprise. I've had seen the footage and have been hearing about this mishap for years and always marveled that anyone got out. Hearing the direct eyewitness account was truly fascinating. I had always assumed the Prowler ran straight into the S-3 empennage from behind - which would have carried debris and burning jet fuel to the S-3 cockpit before any reaction was possible (literally less than the blink of an eye at landing speeds) - that assumption has left me scratching my head all these years on how anyone could punch out. From seeing the post-mishap aircraft photos, it looks like the left side of the S-3 was significantly more damaged. Perhaps it was more of a glancing blow on the left side of the S-3 fuselage (still causing lots of damage to the S-3, but not smashing it to bits), with the wing and horizontal stab destroying the Prowler and detaching from the S-3 in the process, while the glancing impact pushed the S-3 fuselage away with much of the high-speed debris passing down the left side of the S-3 instead of pancaking it. Pure speculation, but that could explain how the crew remained undamaged enough to eject in the few seconds they had to react. Would be really interested in seeing the accident report and more post-mishap photos. As much training as we had, and as much as we like to control our own fate, there are lots of situations where our lives are in the hands of others that we trust to do their jobs well every day - which they do 99.9% of the time. Walleye, Swinger, and the Prowler crew did everything they were told to do and really had little control of this situation - it's hard to describe how difficult it can be to see an unlit aircraft in the landing area at night while on final approach. Their lives were in the hands of others that night who failed them. Luckily, it's a rare occurrence and while Naval Aviation can't eliminate all risks and accidents, we're generally really good at learning from our mistakes. FLY NAVY!
At 18:28 you can see 706 has already turned partly towards cat 2 That likely saved their bacon, even if it got fried a bit The impact likely rotated the Viking even further, which could also explain how Walleye ended up in the water off the starboard quarter
Former S-3 NFO here. We had one ejection in October '83 during Grenada, all 4 got out. Don't recall a burn issue from the seats on our guys like this one. Ironically my crew almost took our lost S-3A but got another airplane at last minute, so we assisted in the SAR on them instead of the other way around. Rarely wore the gloves and I know should have. We only got dry suits when we went above the Artic Circle in early '84. You get used to it and if you don't wear it you are forfeiting your option to eject in the cold. I heard their SOP has the rear seats empty during CQs. Makes sense. Recall being in the TACCO seat while the 3 pilots all swapped seats to CQ at night while I sat there in the dark. Another NFO buddy was jealous I got so many traps which never occurred to me as a great deal. Should point him to this tape..... exciting times from the past.
I think the burns were from the S-3's wing tanks. It's not clear what the report on this incident found. I would have expected them to address findings. Wouldn't there be a watchstander on the island? That would make more sense than a third LSO looking forward. It sounds like the primary cause was the LSO's failure to recognize the fouled deck. They alluded to 5MC issues. But the LSO watchstanders would have been on sound powered phones and radio (I don't know, after my time). So would they have been in direct communication with the watchstander that called "FOULED DECK!"? Has nothing to do with 5MC. There are more circuits. 5MC is a PA system.
Retired US Army aviator here. I started flying helos in 1967. Our SOPs required sleeves down, neck collars buttoned up and gloves on…always! We started getting Nomex in ‘68. We rarely flew over open water, but in those cases appropriate overwater SOPs would dictate ALSE requirements.
@@cdavidpaternostro2352 My A school buddy Dave did two floats on the Indy with Vaq 131 Lancers. He was probably on her for your first cruise. God bless America!
Thank you for this detailed review. I learned more about flight ops in this video than from all the conversations I've had with navy fliers I've known over the decades.
Very good and moving episode. The "voices" he heard have been heard by others as well. I had my own as the NVN were walking around me assuming that I was dead. Laid their for a period of three days. Those "voices" are with you for the rest of your life.
Walleye's incredible story had me shaking throughput... and I'm still finding it hard to catch my breath. When father was on active duty in the late '50s, he flew an AD-6 Skyraider off the USS Hornet (VA 145). I heard a number of his incredible experiences in recent years, but they were unique to the time and aircraft and missions he was charged with. Thanks to all three of you for sharing the tale, and for showing us just how critical it is to learn the lessons as we all move forward.
Unbelievable, the lucid detail. Outstanding. Thank you for sharing this. A very heroic and amazing individual, and his survival. And his amazing recovery, looking at him now, i would never imagine.
Ward, Thank you for hosting the review on this mishap. Gentlemen thank you all for your service, sacrifice, and knowledge shared here. God bless all the men and women who serve and sacrifice so this nation can exist in the state of freedom that we so much enjoyed. Her freedom was paid for by the blood of our brothers and sisters before us. A heart felt thank you and please continue to educate us and the new folks.
Amazing episode sir. Sharing with my crews. Different operations and risk profile in our business… but the lessons are the same. Respect for the candid observations from all three of you. BZ!
Wow. My first cruise FID 82 was a very bad on for VF 74 Bedevilers . Last cruise with F4’s . Broken bridle in the Red Sea, night recovery in the med round down strike. Both incidents we lost the front seat and didn’t recover them. I was with HS 3 but it really shook me up. It’s a dangerous place. Thanks Mooch great episode.
I remember Walleye from my time as an instructor and S-3B NATOPS evaluator in VS-27. I put on the Chief's Anchor's in VS-27 in September 1987 and I am certain he was there. What great rendition of his mishap - I had never heard the whole thing from front to back before. RIP to the Prowler crew. Our business was much more dangerous than we thought about at the time...
My son was aboard the USS Enterprise as a mechanic with VMFA 312 when that incident happened. His usual duty was on the flight deck as a final checker during squadron launches and as a mechanic on recoverys. Most of the squadron had already come aboard and he was in the hanger bay when the accident happened. My usual routine was to wake to the Paul Harvey broadcast on a Seattle radio station at 5 AM, do morning routine then head to work. His leading story that morning was about the accident aboard Enterprise with several dead and injured. I quickly turned the radio off so my wife wouldn't hear the report and left for work, imagining the worst. By the time I got to work and opened my e-mail, my son had sent a simple "if you've seen the news, I'm OK. More later." Great relief but still sadness and grief for those lost.
I was the approach controller on the radio in CATCC when this mishap occurred. The explosion shook the entire ship. CATCC was located just below the flight deck. The deck was fouled and the LSO should have waved off the EA6B well before it got to the back of the ship. CDR Barich was the pilot of the EA6B and he had some brand new pilots in the back seats. Just a sad day in aviation and a day I will never forget.
Thanks for sharing this horrific event with us. Flying airplanes off carriers is not for the faint hearted. My utmost respect for all who have, and those who continue to do it for their country.
The VFA-37 F/A-18 shielded the 7 of us from the vertical stabilizer of the S3 being knocked off. Our 7 man team of trouble shooters from VFA-105 wouldn’t be here if not shielded by the drop tank of that F18. It was wedged under the net next to us, only a few feet away. I remember looking up and seeing the ejection seats shooting out of the humongous ball of flames. Then flaming debris started falling to the flight deck. We had to run in circles to avoid getting hit by falling debris. Then we all ran towards to fire hoses to help put out the fires. I am sure this memory is etched in everyone’s brain who were involved. I still remember like it was yesterday. Thank you for sharing sir 🙏🏾
Oh my god. What a nightmarish experience for everyone. I have a few regrets in life, now that I'm out of enlistment age, and one of them that I never thought I'd have, is not serving. It's such a cool experience serving on a carrier and I wish I could've experienced it. Thanks for your service, you are all heroes.
I do remember that night vividly. Not my idea of being "christened." (VFA-37)
This video impacts me on so many levels. I was on the USS Eisenhower in the Persian Gulf at the time of this mishap. The Enterprise was coming to relieve us. I was also an LSO. The right-seater (NFO) in 503 was my college roommate. His name was Brendan Duffy. As his friend I was tremendously saddened that he died so young, and it hit me really hard at the time. It will always be an emotional hotspot for me. As a Naval Aviator and LSO I was disgusted by how he was let down by every level of protection and professionalism designed to keep him (and his crew) safe. At the time, Navy Doctrine claimed there was a benefit to flying a night pass even knowing it would end in a wave-off. This mishap proved that to be wrong.
The S-3 should never have been allowed to land knowing it would lock the deck. Afterwards, instead of immediately waving off the Prowler, CATTC told 503 to go "hook up". What?! The deck is locked and foul. What's the difference between hook up and hook down when you cannot land at all?! I was a Wing-qualled LSO and I will say without a doubt the primary blame for this mishap was the LSOs. The deck was forever foul and really they should have waved off the Prowler at the ball call. But they were being pressured to allow crews to get as much "practice" as possible, because it was CQ. Had the S-3 been waved off much of this problem would have been resolved. The Handler was wrong for allowing the S-3 to land. The Air Boss was wrong for encouraging night touch and go's, and for allowing a foul deck landing. Plenty of enlisted could have spoken up knowing the deck was foul (this would be unfair to expect, because the enlisted have all been trained to defer to the officers). As painful as it is for me to admit, the LSO's are primarily to blame. They never waved the Prowler off, even though the deck was clearly shown to be foul the entire time. My friend (and 3 others) died that night because my colleagues failed them.
AD2 here. I was an aircraft maintainer for VFA-37 on that difficult cruise on the Big-E. This was my second cruise, my first cruise being on the Theodore Roosevelt (the Big Stick) which I was on when we collided with the Leyte Gulf, which is another story for another time.
You know, there has been a lack of complete information until this day since this mishap happened. I appreciate very much, you interviewing Walleye, who I remember his call sign on that aircraft. These were what was known to me and I speak on behalf of my fellow sailors who served with me on that deployment:
1. I thought it was the CO and XO of VS-22 (Checkmates) in the S-3 mishap aircraft.
2. LSO at 100% fault and never knew what happened to this person since then.
It was nothing short of a miracle that anyone survived. Thank God.
A buddy of mine who was an AD with HS-7 (Dusty Dawgs) manned the fire nozzle fighting the fire on the S-3, which the number 2 engine which remained running. Before they grabbed fire hoses, that S-3 rolled to a stop, or stopped against another aircraft (it is possible the parking brakes were set before ejection/don’t know). Somehow, they were able to shut down that engine. But right after ejection, it was witnessed that one, or both pilots were ON FIRE and it was assumed ejection was the only course of action because of the fire.
During this mishap as it unfolded, our pilots of our F/A-18 squadron were following the hand signals of our Plane Captains getting started up. At this point, the APUs were started when a flaming wing came sliding under one of our VFA-37 hornets. Our junior Plane Captain had to dive out of the way. Another junior pilot in that very aircraft, immediately egressed as the plane was burning with the APU left running. This plane was later craned off when we stopped at Crete. The S-3 was stripped and dumped out at sea.
It didn’t occur to me that the Air Boss contributed to this. This is new information and I thank you Carroll for your channel.
Walleye, that aircraft that crashed in Fallon, I think you are referring to Lt Nolan of our squadron. I was very much a part of the team of people recovering aircraft parts that week. HS-7 had a helicopter go down a week or two later/before causing a Safety Stand Down. Lt Nolan was a very humble and nice man to us maintainers. His memorial service was sad, but his friends that he flew with really cheered everything up by reflecting on memories and in a aviator’s sacred way, get us laughing with funny memories.
So deployment with the Big E that this mishap took place was really a challenging deployment. Not only did this deadly mishap take place within the first week of our 6 month deployment, but we had a significant fire onboard the ship on Thanksgiving morning that resulted serious smoke damage to our aft berthing sections. It was again, a miracle that no one died from smoke inhalation. A month later, we were engaged with Operation Desert Fox, sending ordnance and Tomahawk Cruise missiles into Iraq and watching this unfold live on CNN as the lights go out in the background as Christiana Amanpour (sp?) is reporting a explosion in the background. That was another surreal experience.
Again later in our Persian Gulf deployment, the Big E suffers a fresh water incident in the engineering area and we can operate at a maximum speed of 7 knots with one operational screw. The ship vibrated pretty badly like this until we made an unscheduled port visit in the UAE (kitty box) as civil engineer took up some space in the Galley with blue prints, fixing the problem.
Thank you, for the interview and additional insight into this mishap. What an honor to serve with all of you 🫡🇺🇸
Mike
I was on both of the cruises with you shipmate. I was attached to VFA-105. I was one of the Gunslinger troubleshooters that were on deck and helped put the fire out.
@@michaelmappin4425 they deleted the Phalanx CIWS on that rear corner of the fantail after the repairs. The original in that area was dragging behind the ship.
My son was an aircraft mechanic with VMFA 312 on both those cruises.
Amazing but sad stories to hear about that. Former VFA-37 Sailor here from 2008 to 2011. 37 served aboard the Truman during that period.
@@RayCamacho-m2e thank you for your service.
Walleye's recollections of that mishap were riveting. His thoughts about the situation, survival and activity on the deck and in the water were stunning. I was struck by his memories of his burns and thoughts of his mortality and family. Incredible episode that I'll remember for awhile. Wow
His recollection of the voice that came to him in his darkest hour is haunting.... And reminiscent. I too was in a bad circumstance and had a calming voice telling me how easy it would be to let my life end.
Thankfully, he listened to the same Angel I did and is here today.
My exact thoughts. May those lost rest in n peace.
I agree. What a compelling account. I'm pro-gloves. If Don Garlitz and Mario Andretti can wear them, then so should a pilot.
I've been a sailor and worked in various industries. If you don't protect yourself, you are doomed.
I would have loved to have gotten more information on the incident report. I see an number of contributing factors and suspect a few others, such a sleep deprivation.
Working at sea can make regular sleep difficult. A 4" mattress on a steel cot is a tough way to go. This holds true for CQ's, as you are training sailors that might not be acclimated and are under stress to perform at a high level.
Just a regular guy here. Would love to know how often general quarters is sounded for drills. Kind of like hearing your first fite alarm at school when you're a little kid. And then hearing your first fire alarm when you're a teacher.
Always hoping you do everything right, always hoping it's just a drill. So eventually when it isn't I drill, those thoughts aren't in your mind anymore.
For an aircraft carrier it looks more like mobilizing a small City in 30 seconds. Quite impressive when it's Showtime
I was a Plane Captain with VMFA-312, and had just came up on deck in the six-pack when that happened. By far one of the scariest experiences of my life.
I ran like hell for the cat walk and next thing I know a yellow shirt is pulling me and I had a hose in my hand. Definitely unforgettable.
@@pathann99 thanks for extinguishing that fire, shipmate.
@kevinmiller5780 The worst was we did not know they had ejected because it happened so fast. I just remember the fire pouring out of the front left canopy and thinking the crew was still in the aircraft.
@@pathann99 like Walleye mentioned time slowed down for me. I witnessed the ejection seats shooting out of the ball of flames.
My son was a mechanic with VMFA 312 on that cruise, SGT JR VanValkenburg.
That was probably the most human and vulnerable recount of an aviator's surviving a "mishap". Thank you to all
Praise God for His care, help, and provision to the pilot in the water. And for the antenna catching the other. We'll have to wait to see why the others' time was up so soon, and what depths of God's love and care were for them.
Great video, Ward. As for gloves and sleeves, as a newby LT in Army flight school, the cadre had a retired Air Force colonel speak to the class in the first week. He was missing an ear and was horribly disfigured, obviously from a fire. He told his story of crashing his T-80 and as the plane came to rest his ungloved hands hanging over the railing of the cockpit essentially melted away and how he spent weeks in the burn ward in San Antonio with his burnt hand sewn into his abdomen in an attempt to save it. I'm not sure how many classes he spoke to, but it made an impression. You rarely see Army aviators flying without their Nomex gloves tucked tightly under their flight suit sleeves. We even took it so far as to wear our dog tags under the collar of our flight suits so the chain wouldn't burn our necks. Granted, Army helicopters refuel and rearm "hot" (while running) so the threat is higher, but I never forgot those lessons and the ones who taught them.
I had recently left VS-22 for duty as a FASO Acoustic and Oceanography instructor. The Viking model behind his right shoulder was of Vidar 706 in the accident and it was built by me as a gift.
I’m glad he still has it.
Crazy! Crazy fitting name too :D
Very cool, very cool.
Thanks for letting CDR Wallace speak uninterrupted. His testimony was powerful, and his event dramatic. Go Team Mooch. Long live Naval Aviation and those who dare such.
I was just off active duty in the Army, and a junior lawyer in a big firm. One of my colleagues was a Navy brat, married to a Naval Aviator. We had a friendly Army-Navy rivalry. I was aware of the mishap, but she came to my office, shut the door, and told me: LTJG Duffy was her brother. That young officer was third generation USNA on both sides of his family tree. Such a loss for the family, for the Navy, and for our country.
Brendan Duffy was my college roommate. His ship was coming to relieve ours. I still feel his loss today.
"I just climbed right in....It was a beautiful thing" pretty much says it all. As much as Walleye through he was not in control, the training drilled into all naval aviators had him in control as much as the situation would allow! What a riveting account of this hellacious mishap!
I was about 30NM away when the flash filled the goggles. Was the third helo on scene. It was extremely dark and when our anti-collision lights flashed it reflected much of the aircraft debris in the water. If I recall 703 had FLIR and we were working with them to get an effective search. We were hovering from item to item in the water. While in a hover one of our crew picked up the strobe and we were able to slide over and pick up Walleye. The SAR swimmer, AW3 Lierman was only in the squadron a few months and did quite a great job getting Walleye safely into the helo. Coming back aboard, the angle was flooded with AFFF and we had to get Walleye back aboard for medical attention and was quite concerned with causing a re-flash as we landed. Brought back a lot of memories from that night.
My dad was WW2 PBY crew chief petty officer and in charge of a bunch of men in maintenance as well. He told me many stories of men dying over inattention to detail and distraction. He always told me and I will never forget "Pay attention to detail or it will bite you in de tail." He was a hard man to work around as a dad very critical and I could not even look in the wrong direction during a task. I am very grateful for these lessons from my dad.
What a riveting account of a horrible mishap. Thanks for putting this video together.
Wow, what a total clusterf*ck!! Definitely powerful lessons to be learned and glad changes happened.
Hi Ward, Walleye and Hoser!
This was an outstanding video and story!
At that time, I was training at VS-41 (WestPac S-3 Rag Squadron) and we had a safety stand down to learn from your mishap. I remember clearly that we were told to wear skull caps, gloves, sleeves down for future flights. I always wore my gloves, cap and had my sleeves down!
Walleye, thank you for your story! Riding in the McDonnell Douglas Escapac Ejection was a stressful thing as we all awaited that moment were the pilot could “Command Eject” us! For me, it never happened!
God bless you all!
Wow, the S3 pilot is a very lucky man. May those sailors rest in peace.
I landed on top of a few of those once or twice.
Indeed. A lucky and very tough man. Folds of Honour baby!
Ward, I am a retired (medical) Naval Aviator, survivor of an A-3D crash at Whidbey Island NAS, February 1970. I have watched all of your videos with the attention and critical analysis only a fellow Naval Aviator can have. This is your best and most meaningful to the Naval Aviation group, in my opinion. I read many of the comments from other readers. They all agree that you did an outstanding job presenting this.
Thank you for all of your excellent videos.
Gumby Barrich started out a a A-6B pilot,he was with VA-75 and weflew missions with them as VAQ-130 part of CVW-3 in Desert Shield/Desert Storm in 1990-1991. Later he transitioned to EA-6Bs and I flew a flight with him before this boat det as a PTI, I did his level 4 stan check. I remember seeing him in VAQ-130 spaces we talked a bit and I told him to have a good det and see ya soon. Three days later he was dead. The Air Boss was a good friend who I worked for at VAQ-129 and the mini was a EA-6B guy. This whole thing made me sick and I questioned whether I should stay in or get out. I lost some faith in the Navy at this point, luckily I went back to sea duty in 2001 on CVN-72 and that helped me rediscover my love in the Navy. Miss you Gumby.
I was an AD with VAQ-130 from 74-78. Plank owners on the USS Nimitz.
A really inpressive story and one of the best episode in the channel.
May the four dead sailors rest in peace
I was there that night as an ordnanceman with VMFA-312, attached to CAG-3 that night. I worked CAG arm-dearm. The night of the accident, they were doing night CQ's, we were in the shop, just below the landing area, getting suited up to go topside and secure our airplanes for the night. The Enterprise had just left Norfolk earlier that day, recieved the airings, and about to transit the Atlantic for out Med cruise (which ended up being a Persian Gulf cruise with Operation Desert Fox, Southern Watch, and later Kosovo). Anyway, we were just about to head topside when we heard a loud bang, and the clatter of matter hitting the deck, and the TV automatically switched to the flight deck channel, and we saw the fire ball, and proceeding chaos. "Fire Fire Fire, Fore on the Flight Deck!" Followed by "General Quarters, General Quarters, All Hands to your General Quarters Stations!" Then "Man Overboard, Port Side, This is NOT a Drill!" We scurried through the ship, having to take the long route to come up behind the island because of the hatches locked down for GQ. By thr time I got topside, I just jumped on a hose team and watched for flair ups. Then casualty evacuations, then a for walk to pick up debris from the foam. It was a long and heartbreaking night. Great to see you doing well Walleye!
~Then LCpl Vandergriff, VMFA-312 Ordnance.
I remember the CAG lost an F18 out at Fallon, I think from VFA-105 or VFA-37, but I forgot we also lost a Tomcat from VF-32 during workup. They splashed off the port side when they flew over for the break and had a flight control surface failure. They both ejected safely. I witnessed that from the flight deck. That was a crazy workup and cruise. Unfortunately a CAT worker (green shirt) got sucked in to the intake of an S3 on the waist CAT, but luckily forhim, he only lost an arm, thanks to the quick reaction of the pilot who saw what was going on and quickly shut the engine down. Thanks for the great video and interview, Mooch!
IYAOYAS!
Thanks for extinguishing the fire, shipmate.
Same for me. We were Port Side about where HS-7 lands and when we tuned into the Plat Cam, we thought it was an incident with the helicopter at first. I passed blood in our passageways from superficial wounds of others as we made our way to the roof.
@@jasonvandergriff7809that would be VFA-37, Lt Nolan who perished that day. I was part of the recovery crew that whole week. He was a really humble and nice aviator to us maintainers. Back as a new Plane Captain at NAS Cecil Field, I helped prepare his plane, strap him up and get him going.
Gumby and I were roommates on that cruise. I CQ’d that airplane the night before and watched the mishap real time. As a former Airwing LSO, I was horrified by this mishap - and the follow on investigation and consequences. I left the Navy largely due to how this mishap was handled and who ended up being blamed. The responsibility did not fall on the shoulders of the Airboss.
Walleye - it’s great to see you again and I’m glad you are well.
Fly Navy
I’m not an aviator but my FiL was. He was born in Berlin in June 1945 and as a child his family lived near the end of the main runway at Templehof and he and his brothers were on the receiving end of the “Candybombers” during the Berlin airlift. my FiL later flew in the Luftwaffe in the ‘60s-early ‘80s but this episode was a great way to spend an hour on July 4. It reminded me of what it takes to keep the USA the USA. My respect to everyone.
Mooch this rivals your interview with your Father as your best video. Fantastic. Thank you to everyone.
I have watched the Ward Carroll for years. This was by far the most spellbinding episode I have watched.
at the end of this podcast, I had a tear in my eye... thinking NAVY, I've got to put a plug in for my father who passed away recently... he was a lowly 17 year old seaman on the USS Grafton during the battle of Okinawa... he was NAVY through and through... love you Dad.
RIP GREATEST! I miss them too! I Love You! Greatest and "I MISS" Y'all, YA"ALLL!!
RIP , Your Dad . . We only have 1 'True' Earthen Dad & they work as hard as they can , most do a wonderful job as yours did . Take Care DJ
It’s never just one thing. Seemingly minor glitches stack up, inoperable lights, field of view obstructions, short comm cord, some minor distraction, responses slowed by fatigue, maybe, and suddenly the margin of safety vanishes in the blink of an eye and it is a disaster. This is true in so many fields of human endeavor. Thanks for your service, gentleman.
Respect to all three of you. We know you loved the job, but we know you also knew the danger and still did it.
Compelling story from Walleye. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ episode.
In 1978-79, my destroyer, USS Hollister (DD-788) was plane guard when there was a ramp strike while supporting carrier qualifications off of San Diego. We stood by while the helicopter attempted to recover the NFO who was entangled in his parachute.
Rescue swimmer got exhausted so we launched the motor whale boat and we went in and got the helicopter swimmer, NFO and returned to ship.
Incident gave me nightmares due to heavy swells, entangling boat propeller, darkness, soaked in cold water and extreme movement as we recovered the boat with it slamming against the ships side. Unfortunately the NFO died but no one else did. RIP
Wow, what a tragic event. I served on the Big E with VA-196, thankfully we all made it home safely. Thanks Mooch.
I knew LCDR Kurt "Gumby" Barich. We served on NIMITZ together, he was Flag staff and I was COD OIC. He flew A-6's before and this was his first tour in Prowlers. I still remember the phone call I received from his former room mate on NIMITZ about his death. Sad day for all.
Gumby was indeed a great guy. In my novel Fight Fight a Growler pilot has the callsign Gumby, my tribute to LCDR Kurt Barich.
Hey knuckles, Groucho here. The memories are flooding back. Sure miss Gumby and think of him often. I also remember a field arrested landing at pearl harbor in a Cod with pilot knuckles. V/R groucho
Damn, great episode!
Kurt was my cousin. I was a young Army Lt when he died.
Later in my career, I was lucky enough to be an LNO to CAW8 on the Bush. I spent a lot of time on the LSO platform, and the LSOs there were awesome about letting me be the foul deck caller as a tribute to Kurt.
I am glad that Walleye and Swinger survived the night and no one else died.
The military business is inherently dangerous, and we are lucky to men and women who do it out there every day, acknowledging the risks as they defend our Country.
I served with Walleye when we were JO’s. He was two years senior to me and we cruised together in 1989 (his second, my first). As a senior LT and LSO, he was the guy you went to with questions about everything S-3 NATOPS and JO life in general. Just a genuine dude who was fortunate to survive that incident. I hope to see him at the Viking reunion next year!
We met a Viking pilot at the Naval Air Museum in Pensacola. Very humble fellow. Having seen an S3 at the museum I was curious about how the crew would even get into the bird, and was impressed at the courage it must have required to serve as part of a Viking squadron. Today’s video took my admiration to a new level. So grateful for good ejection seats and for sharp minded pilots. What a humble and honest account from a man who never wanted to eject, but made the right decision in a fraction of a second in terrible circumstances late at night. Thank God!
Excellent episode sir. "Walleye's" explanation of events as they happened to him made you feel you were there with him. Thank you all for your service. USN PR2 1971-75
I was an A-6 plane captain in VA-42 (RAG)NAS Oceana . My service time was 10/18/71 to 8/15/75. ADJ-3 Dennis Hayes.
Tremendous hearfelt thanks to all three of you gentlemen for performing extremely dangerous jobs while in the service of protecting our country and keeping us all safe. Mr. Carroll - next time we run into each other at the 7-11 near The Academy the coffee's on me! An extra great job on this video Mr. Carroll - tears in my eyes at the end. God bless all three of you.
All Gave Some-Some Gave All. RIP Aviators.
Thank You for your service.
..."Joining us for this conversation about what happened there is the guy who was the pilot in that S-3..." Just, wow.
Love your channel CDR, and watch just about every episode - this one hit home. Brendan Duffy was my cousin and one of the best people I ever knew. When he was in flight school, my home in New Orleans was his home away from home. It was really inspiring for a young boy to have a house full of student Naval Aviators on the weekends. Those guys were were my idols, and a big reason I served in the military. Some of my fondest memories was Brendan waking me up on those Saturday mornings for yet another adventure. He truly was the big brother I never had. I miss him everyday.
Love to hear stories like this on your video. As an aircrewman on a P-3 in he 60's and 70's I have never forgotten the amount of training it takes to do that safely. Thanks again.
A riviting recollection of a tragic night of carrier ops...god bless all those that died that night and those that miraculously survived.
Thx Mooch, Hoser and Walleye
Kurt Barich was a childhood friend in Albuquerque NM and two years behind me as an NROTC mid. I was very saddened and grief stricken by this tragic event.
Wowsers, what a story and I'm glad that you're here to tell it, and I'm so sorry for the loss of your shipmates.
Mooch, Thank you for another great episode! As it started, I was expecting a 'Grandpa Pettibone' story, then I see Greg is the storyteller! We were AOCS Classmates, 34-82, and I hadn't seen him since October 1982. He talked about his mishap with poise, incredible detail and faith in his training, shipmates and God. My heart goes out to those lost and their families and friends. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for letting CDR Wallace speak. His testimony was moving, and his experience dramatic. Your end photo of his jet is one of the most dramatic images I've seen. While I appreciate your current events coverage, Naval aviation stories like the Carrier Pilot's Nightmare Story are why I found and follow you. Mooch on!
Emotionally-gripping episode and very professional interview allowing the pilot to get through his story in his own words without badgering him with questions. Carrier aviation is dangerous business. Takeaway for each sailor is to do your job or people can die. Thanks to all naval aviators for your service. Fly Navy.
Sobering story. Thank you all for your bravery and skill!
Wow, Mooch, just wow. So glad to hear stories from aviators like Walleye; so thankful for his recovery from that tragic event. Thoughts/prayers go up for the families of the crew of the Prowler.
This was very emotional to watch. I'm sure all of us who have cheated death can relate. Praise God Walleye was spared and went on to be able to share his experiences that will hopefully save lives in the future. It's strange how little details compile and don't add up but multiply to create a perfect storm.
Chills watching this. God bless the men. What an amazing interview. My good friend Ltcmdr Mark Robertson was an S3 guy onboard the Kennedy. Thank you to all..
What a powerful and personal episode
“Walleye’s” description of his private conversation in the life raft probably hits home with a lot veterans that follow your channel, it certainly did with me
BZ to you all
Thank you Mooch, for this powerful and moving video. I WESTPACed on the Big (76-77), and watched many recoveries from Vultures Row. Even though this happened 25 years ago, watching the video of the S-3 sitting at the end of the angle deck, and knowing what was about to happen caused me to squirm in my seat. God was definitely with Walleye that tragic night.
Mooch, thank you for the thoughtful way you presented this story. I was still at the Center for Naval Analyses when that happened. Sending prayers for all who were touched by the incident.
What a tale. Thanks Walleye for bearing your soul....great video.
What a tragic story and superb great recounting of Walleye's story of survival after such a horrific mishap. Thank you Ward, Hozer, and Walleye for taking the time to share this emotional story.
Great piece Team Mooch! Appreciate hearing about "Walley's" experience, and the way you ended this piece - 'For those in Peril in the Air.'
Only on Mooch - uniquely excellent. Navy Hymn memorium at end was a very nice touch. Thanks Mooch.
I was on watch on the bridge of the USS Nicholas FFG-47 when this incident happened. We were only a few miles away (vacapes op-area)and watched as the events unfolded.
Its amazing that this aviation passion project you started a few years ago has turned into a real training asset for the benifit of others.
What a great episode Mooch. Thanks to Walleye for his amazing recollection. As an old Prowler pilot and LSO, this one hurts.
Well Ward, never did I think a video of yours would bring me to tears....I guessed soooooo wrong, just wow....that anyone in either aircraft survived (RIP all those aboard the Prowler 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽), let alone anyone on the deck in close proximity survived is just purely beyond belief. Watching the footage was just chilling....then you introduce Walleye...and just wow again.
I had an hour to watch & listen to the story...the first time...the second viewing was to listen and read the comments....and again....another wow to just how many of the commenters were aboard, or had degrees of separation to this incident....soooo many wow's throughout the story itself, and the comments attributed to it....just goes to prove no matter how ingrained a naval aviator is in their trade...they are so reliant upon others when their aircraft is in an attitude that the pilot is blind to what lies ahead of them....balls of titanium!!!
The tears were welling in the first viewing, then the eyes sprung a leak with the closing memorial to those on the Prowler that were lost in this terrible accident....with Eternal Father playing....well the leak turned to a flood (was played at my fathers funeral, he too serving with the RAN aboard our carrier HMAS Sydney many many many moons ago)...well, yea that was it.
Thank you firstly to Walleye for his vivid recollection, and reliving it like it was yesterday, secondly to those commenting whom were there or in some way had an association with it, thirdly to Hozer and yourself for bringing this to all of us, and finally to the 4 aboard the Prowler whom were serving their country....paying the ultimate price🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 !!!!
Cheers and thank you again from Sydney Aus!!!! 🍻🍻🍻🍻
What a wonderful recount ability of such a horrible incident that brought tears to my eyes hearing how his faith & concerns for his fellow aviators dragged him to safety along with the rescue personnel. Sorry for the loss of life of the other aircraft. Thanks Ward for this.
This interview so vividly puts into view just how dangerous carrier flight ops is, under any condition or circumstance. I’m retired E-7, ANG, plain old ground troop CE bum, but I have associates who were blue water Navy, carrier duty, and I have nothing but the highest respect for our carrier crews. Great interview, Mooch.
Really great recap of a horrible night. As a brand new LSO at the time who also knew all four crewmembers on 503, this really hit home. Great to hear Walleye's account of it. And kudos to all 3 of you for not necessarily casting stones but emphasizing the critical lessons-learned.
Great story. Have to say, I love that you guys just let me him tell it without much break.
I was on the "Prize" for 4 years and It's interesting to learn certain characteristics you never considered such as the position of the LSO Platform. Having two F-14A's positioned on Elevator 4 was common. Great video gentlemen, I very much enjoyed the story. Tragic for the loss of life on the Prowler, but at the same time, a blessing for the S-3 Crew.
Great episode - thanks. I've experienced what Walleye talked about how our brains can instantly go into ultra slow motion at crucial times. I was copilot in a KC-135 when we had a very, very, near miss with a DC-9, like a few feet. I was the only guy in either airplane who saw it. We were nose to nose and he was very close when I spotted him. The first thing that flashed in my mind when I saw the DC-9 was a very vivid image of me curled up in the fetal position in the middle of a huge ball of fire. I then realized that he was slightly below us, so I reached for the yoke to pull the nose up, but It occurred to me that if I did that our tail would drop before the airplane started to climb and that might be enough to clip the top of his empennage. All that in a second or two. That was about 60 years ago and I can still replay that like a video tape. Amazing what our brains can do in a second or so.
The thoughts and recollection of from eject until air rescue actually lifted this aviator out of the water is increadable. Training i believe has to do with alot of their survival but i actually herd that voice he spoke of. Of course my situation was much different but that's a incredible story. Rest in peace for those lost. God bless you all.
Most articulate description of feeling and event. Very moving.
Oh man. I was aboard the Big E that night. Being a DCman I was privvy to when drills were scheduled most times. When the GQ klaxon went off I knew something was wrong but was saddened at the end to see just how bad.
One of the most important lessons i learned in the navy is accidents dont just happen ,there is a cause that applies to every one that occurs
Yes. It's called sleep deprivation. Ask me how I know! XD
absolutely heart breaking the loss of life. Yet thank you for sharing this story.
This pilot is a great story teller and a true hero. Thank you for your service.
Mooch - keep'em coming. Really good stuff.
Amazing. I was a V2-32 Mauler pilot a few years after Walleye and have 200 traps on the Enterprise. I've had seen the footage and have been hearing about this mishap for years and always marveled that anyone got out. Hearing the direct eyewitness account was truly fascinating.
I had always assumed the Prowler ran straight into the S-3 empennage from behind - which would have carried debris and burning jet fuel to the S-3 cockpit before any reaction was possible (literally less than the blink of an eye at landing speeds) - that assumption has left me scratching my head all these years on how anyone could punch out.
From seeing the post-mishap aircraft photos, it looks like the left side of the S-3 was significantly more damaged. Perhaps it was more of a glancing blow on the left side of the S-3 fuselage (still causing lots of damage to the S-3, but not smashing it to bits), with the wing and horizontal stab destroying the Prowler and detaching from the S-3 in the process, while the glancing impact pushed the S-3 fuselage away with much of the high-speed debris passing down the left side of the S-3 instead of pancaking it. Pure speculation, but that could explain how the crew remained undamaged enough to eject in the few seconds they had to react. Would be really interested in seeing the accident report and more post-mishap photos.
As much training as we had, and as much as we like to control our own fate, there are lots of situations where our lives are in the hands of others that we trust to do their jobs well every day - which they do 99.9% of the time. Walleye, Swinger, and the Prowler crew did everything they were told to do and really had little control of this situation - it's hard to describe how difficult it can be to see an unlit aircraft in the landing area at night while on final approach. Their lives were in the hands of others that night who failed them. Luckily, it's a rare occurrence and while Naval Aviation can't eliminate all risks and accidents, we're generally really good at learning from our mistakes.
FLY NAVY!
At 18:28 you can see 706 has already turned partly towards cat 2
That likely saved their bacon, even if it got fried a bit
The impact likely rotated the Viking even further, which could also explain how Walleye ended up in the water off the starboard quarter
Former S-3 NFO here. We had one ejection in October '83 during Grenada, all 4 got out. Don't recall a burn issue from the seats on our guys like this one. Ironically my crew almost took our lost S-3A but got another airplane at last minute, so we assisted in the SAR on them instead of the other way around. Rarely wore the gloves and I know should have. We only got dry suits when we went above the Artic Circle in early '84. You get used to it and if you don't wear it you are forfeiting your option to eject in the cold. I heard their SOP has the rear seats empty during CQs. Makes sense. Recall being in the TACCO seat while the 3 pilots all swapped seats to CQ at night while I sat there in the dark. Another NFO buddy was jealous I got so many traps which never occurred to me as a great deal. Should point him to this tape..... exciting times from the past.
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Sounds like you were on the U.S.S. Ranger "Death Cruise"
So was I. Bought the T shirt.
Happy July 4 to you.
@@ChrisBlanchard-vf6fe actually VS-28 on Indy. Two med cruises and IO 83-86. 👍
I think the burns were from the S-3's wing tanks.
It's not clear what the report on this incident found.
I would have expected them to address findings.
Wouldn't there be a watchstander on the island? That would make more sense than a third LSO looking forward.
It sounds like the primary cause was the LSO's failure to recognize the fouled deck.
They alluded to 5MC issues. But the LSO watchstanders would have been on sound powered phones and radio (I don't know, after my time). So would they have been in direct communication with the watchstander that called "FOULED DECK!"? Has nothing to do with 5MC. There are more circuits. 5MC is a PA system.
Retired US Army aviator here. I started flying helos in 1967. Our SOPs required sleeves down, neck collars buttoned up and gloves on…always! We started getting Nomex in ‘68. We rarely flew over open water, but in those cases appropriate overwater SOPs would dictate ALSE requirements.
@@cdavidpaternostro2352 My A school buddy Dave did two floats on the Indy with Vaq 131 Lancers.
He was probably on her for your first cruise.
God bless America!
A riveting and tragic story. My admiration to hear this account told without a trace of anger.
Absolutely riveting story. Thank you for your service and all the best! Mooch, beautiful tribute at the end of the video, thank you! Go Navy!
Thank you for this detailed review. I learned more about flight ops in this video than from all the conversations I've had with navy fliers I've known over the decades.
Very good and moving episode. The "voices" he heard have been heard by others as well. I had my own as the NVN were walking around me assuming that I was dead. Laid their for a period of three days. Those "voices" are with you for the rest of your life.
Walleye's incredible story had me shaking throughput... and I'm still finding it hard to catch my breath. When father was on active duty in the late '50s, he flew an AD-6 Skyraider off the USS Hornet (VA 145). I heard a number of his incredible experiences in recent years, but they were unique to the time and aircraft and missions he was charged with. Thanks to all three of you for sharing the tale, and for showing us just how critical it is to learn the lessons as we all move forward.
The Spiritual battle is real. Love this man"s story! A Foul Deck can be frightening. Complacency kills. God Saves.
Unbelievable, the lucid detail. Outstanding. Thank you for sharing this. A very heroic and amazing individual, and his survival. And his amazing recovery, looking at him now, i would never imagine.
Powerful story!!! Bless you for sharing this.
- USS NIMITZ/Eng. Dept./A-gang/EA01 Aircraft Elevators/MM3 1985-1990
Very moving video. Thank you for honoring the survivors and the departed 😢. May we continue to learn and improve...
Thanks for letting walleye tell his story uninterrupted. Great story mooch
Ward, Thank you for hosting the review on this mishap. Gentlemen thank you all for your service, sacrifice, and knowledge shared here. God bless all the men and women who serve and sacrifice so this nation can exist in the state of freedom that we so much enjoyed. Her freedom was paid for by the blood of our brothers and sisters before us. A heart felt thank you and please continue to educate us and the new folks.
Amazing episode sir. Sharing with my crews. Different operations and risk profile in our business… but the lessons are the same. Respect for the candid observations from all three of you. BZ!
What an amazing story in this tragic situation. Thanks for this.
Wow. My first cruise FID 82 was a very bad on for VF 74 Bedevilers . Last cruise with F4’s . Broken bridle in the Red Sea, night recovery in the med round down strike. Both incidents we lost the front seat and didn’t recover them. I was with HS 3 but it really shook me up. It’s a dangerous place. Thanks Mooch great episode.
What a compelling story - gripping watch - and I am very glad there were some survivors of an incident that seems unsurvivable.
Wow, riveting story. One of the best on this channel yet! God's grace.
I remember Walleye from my time as an instructor and S-3B NATOPS evaluator in VS-27. I put on the Chief's Anchor's in VS-27 in September 1987 and I am certain he was there. What great rendition of his mishap - I had never heard the whole thing from front to back before. RIP to the Prowler crew. Our business was much more dangerous than we thought about at the time...
Mooch, thank you for sharing this story. As an AF PJ for 20 years I know about the loss and the heroic sacrifice. That Others May Live. 👣🇺🇸
Wow…. What a humbling story!! Thank you all for sharing!
My son was aboard the USS Enterprise as a mechanic with VMFA 312 when that incident happened. His usual duty was on the flight deck as a final checker during squadron launches and as a mechanic on recoverys. Most of the squadron had already come aboard and he was in the hanger bay when the accident happened. My usual routine was to wake to the Paul Harvey broadcast on a Seattle radio station at 5 AM, do morning routine then head to work. His leading story that morning was about the accident aboard Enterprise with several dead and injured. I quickly turned the radio off so my wife wouldn't hear the report and left for work, imagining the worst. By the time I got to work and opened my e-mail, my son had sent a simple "if you've seen the news, I'm OK. More later." Great relief but still sadness and grief for those lost.
I was the approach controller on the radio in CATCC when this mishap occurred. The explosion shook the entire ship. CATCC was located just below the flight deck. The deck was fouled and the LSO should have waved off the EA6B well before it got to the back of the ship. CDR Barich was the pilot of the EA6B and he had some brand new pilots in the back seats. Just a sad day in aviation and a day I will never forget.
Thanks for sharing this horrific event with us. Flying airplanes off carriers is not for the faint hearted. My utmost respect for all who have, and those who continue to do it for their country.
One of your best episodes ever. Truly riveting.
This brought back so many emotions, thank you ward everything you do with your channel. And thank you for talking about this
Thank you for this video Ward. Bless you all.
More of this please Ward. What an amazing recounting. Thank you all for this sharing.