Edit: I’ve seen a lot of comments commenting on the elden stars, perhaps I didn’t explain it well enough in the video, yes it does say the greater will sent it, but the two fingers are also said to be from the greater will/communing with it, Imo it’s very likely the greater will did not send down the elden beast :) Hey everyone hope you’re all having a great day! I’m on holiday so responses to comments might be a bit dire, as the internet is TERRIBLE! The discord for the channel: discord.gg/xv8t5bFSzd
one fingers could represent a spiral based on their death pose and if you ask me, a spiral could be the truest form of both order AND chaos as the shape itself is unending and chaotically spiraling BUT in a 100% orderly and perfect manner with perhaps, this is how the honrsent used this to reach the gods and create the gate of divinity which could allow for both marika and miquella to have become gods.
Dude, you are reaching so far that you basically outed yourself as not understanding almost any of this. You clearly ignore or outright try to distrust item descriptions, fail to recognize the roots of the finger ruins in Metyr's boss arena, and make baseless claims. Please do your research and have someone who knows better that can rebut things like this before you post them
@@R_o_o_k_i_n_g_t_o_n I mean.. he's not exactly wrong. During my time watching the video I caught myself thinking "Okay, that's a stretch." and "Yeah, this, too. It makes no sense, we already have proof otherwise." or similiar things that would contradict many other statements. I understand that CCs like to put out theories for the sake of content and entertainment but if there is no coherent string attached to it it's completely fine to call them out for it. No need to "protect" them if there is actual critique involved their statement. And considering there's a lot of CCs out there that just spout the wildest nonsense I understand when people don't have the most of patience forming a "tamer" reply. And why should they anyways, this is the internet. Gotta have some thick skin to make it here.
Nice, but I think the tubes in Metyr's arena are the roots of the Finger Ruins. They look thicker than the golden trees and the trees are on sides of the arena.
@@theemeraldgecko310 I dont think the golden ethereal trees would have solid tube roots that dont actually resemble roots and are not rooted. These remind me more of the envoy horns and would be a way for metyr to communicate to whole realm.
I don't think she is playing all sides. She's just the mother of fingers, and like Marika's children they all have their own agendas. At least the three fingers. The tube like structures seems to me more related to the finger ruins. Metyr's lore confirms that the GW has been absent from the creation of the Golden order from the beginning and she was pretty much just winging it. Theres so many things falling from the stars in ER, that just because she uses gravity I don't think is evidence enough to connect her as the origin of the gravity lords. To me these are forces of the cosmos that different beings harnessed in different ways
Yeah, the gravity argument was pretty weak for me too. It's more that anything that comes from the cosmos has an inherent understanding of these forces, in my mind.
Agreed. To me, she doesn't seem like an very aware creature. The description of the mace weapon mentions how her eye "stares vacantly" into the void, which doesn't sound very present, aware and intelligent to me.
I have seen somewhere that when the maps are aligned and resized, a lot of places connects ALONG with having the Erdtree AND Metyr's boss room overlapping each other
As you were speaking, I noticed it. The ceiling of Metyr's arena is the surface of a body of water. The shimmering, the diffusion of light, the lack of gravity effects on the tubes making them feel suspended, yeah, this is under water.
not all things are "water". This WORLD is not Earth, it does not follow the laws of same laws of physics. Shooting stars are literally just space creatures, and they are what make up the STARS IN THE SKY. The moons are entities. Using logic will only lead you to incorrect outcomes.
Metyr being below the Elden Beast is brilliant, that’s a wild idea. While she’s not the final boss of the expansion, it makes me think of Warcraft’s Wrath of the Lich King, in which Yogg Saron isnt the final boss, but he’s the puppet master.
Glad you thought so!! Interesting, someone in the last video mentioned made a connection between the scarlet rot and a rot character from Warcraft! Maybe there’s more connection we don’t know!!!
The water part symbolizes cosmic truth being understood by our character. The Carians used the pools to look at the moon's reflection as a way to meditate. It meant that although the moon was large, it could fit inside a reflection, same principle as the Lunariums in Bloodborne. Every time we fight a boss on top of a body of water it means we are having contact with a cosmic truth and it's more of a symbolic struggle with insight than a literal fight.
While the idea of Metyr creating the Three Fingers on purpose is interesting, a counterpoint would be that Ranni's Two Fingers actually have a thumb as well, proving that two fingers and a thumb may not be solely the purview of the Frenzied Flame. The sets of three fingers shown in Metyr's arena seem to have the same thickness and bends that both the Two Fingers proper and a smaller version of Ranni's Fingers would have. The Three Fingers tied to the Frenzied Flame, however, are incredibly thin and more straight/angular, and the 'thumb' is nearly as long as the other two, which we don't see anywhere else. To me, this makes it seem that these Three Fingers are a malformed and malnourished version of a 'proper' set of two-fingers-and-a-thumb. Metyr's proper hands, on her main limbs, do have four fingers and not five, as would be expected of an intelligent being, so I would say this makes her not just unnatural, but unintelligent ('below' the five of enlightenment). Rather than her creating the Three Fingers out of boredom, I see it as more likely that the Three Fingers simply was the only set to see how truly vapid their mother was, how she is simply listlessly existing and birthing in a void without the Greater Will to guide her, and the realization of that is what made the Three Fingers what they are - that the Will has abandoned us, that all the births its creation of the universe led to - including their own - is a mistake, and that the solution is to burn all and melt all until convergence is achieved.
It just occurred to me that Metyr could be the gloam eyed queen we had assumed was human or related to Marika. She was chosen (an Empyrean) to crash land first. Marika was the vessel meant to unite Metyr and the Elden Beast, only she separated them instead by sealing all that encompassed darkness (including especially death) below the veil. The Gloam eye is Metyr's portal - pure Void. Its like the 'eye' in Gideon's scepter, not a physical eye but a metaphysical one. It is dark implosion/attraction to the gold explosion/expulsion. Marika sealed the visible Gloam from herself but it passed to her children in various forms.
I can’t put into words how much I love this theory and to me it actually makes quite a lot of sense! Even though Metyr isn’t an outer god, maybe Metyr corrupted Melina like the scarlet rot outer god does and that’s why she has her gloam powers?
The biggest counterpoint i have is that metyr is heavily into sorceries and gravitational stuff Gloam eyed queen was all about the rune of death and black flame
@@heirofheart766 Well, the staff you get from her remembrance does indicate that Metyr would be able to use incantations as well which, considering that The Greater Will is implied to also be the origin of sorcerous as well as divine power, does check out if Metyr was the Greater Will's first offspring sent to the Lands Between.
"She was chosen (an Empyrean) to crash land first." Empyreans are chosen by the Two Fingers. How can she be chosen by something she births? "Marika was sent to unite Metyr and the Elden Beast" Do you have any proof of this? Because each have a mission (please correct me if I'm wrong): - Marika was to become a vessel of the Elden Ring. - The Elden Beast is to become the Elden Ring upon the ascendance of a God that is why it, the ER, turns to the Elden Beast in the end. It is the incarnation of order which is the Elden Ring. - Metyr seems to be some sort of communications liaison between the Lands Between and the Greater Will. Why would Marika's mission be to unite the Elden Beast with Metyr when both predates her and the Greater Will also left meaning Metyr is useless now. Maybe that's why she birthed the Three Fingers (just a theory). If you're suggesting Metyr is the Rune of Death (sorry if I understood wrong English is not my best language) then that makes it more nonsense as the Elden Ring is already complete why would Metyr, a communications liaison, be a part of it? "The Gloam Eye is Metyr's portal - pure void." Again, hoping for more explanation on where this is hinted. Also, Metyr is mostly using Gravity while the Godskins are purely Blackflame.
I saw a lot of people saying Metyr dies at the end of the battle and she did not teleport out of there using the black hole microcosm, yet we see Astel create the same black hole and teleport from one part of the fight area to the other end in the blink of an eye, showing it is possible. Also on a random note, Metyr hates bowing to Marika and her Golden order, her anger towards this might be sheer jealousy from the fact that initially Metyr was the Greater Will's vessel, later Marika was chosen and Metyr was cast aside and abandoned.
That's the weird part, you clearly don't kill her, but you also do. After the fight you can go back to Enia and use Metyr's remembrance to literally claim her severed head as a weapon, and when you force her to bow by using the weapon art she becomes enraged and releases a blast of energy, so she is still very much alive even after you dismember her, but that leads to the question of what exactly happens after you beat her? Her body gets taken away into a microcosm, but Metyr gets left behind, meaning that wasn't Metyr teleporting away, someone or something simply confiscated her body after the fight. I have never heard anybody talk about this but I feel like it's a pretty significant moment
The video is well put together, but I have a few problems with your theories here. First of all, I think it's too much of a stretch to say that the onyx lords, and the Astels are birthed from Metyr. Their gravity magic being similar seems to simply signify their cosmic origins, not a show that they're all literally born of the same being. Take for example the Fallingstar beasts. More often than not, we find the fallingstar beasts in their own little craters that shows where they themselves LITERALLY fell onto the lands between. Their gravity magic alone is enough to connect them to your other examples, but if the common theory that Astels are simply a further stage in the fallingstar beast lifecycle is to be believed, then they too are immediately eliminated from the possibility of being Metyr's children. Furthermore, it'd simply be odd to have this very OVERTLY and CLEARLY finger-based being who births finger-based beings to just have a side hobby of birthing just totally unrelated and non-finger-based beings on the regular. On to the next point: I appreciate your thinking, but I think the use of 'Rapture' here is not as deep as you're thinking. Yes there are PLENTY of religious motifs in this game, but the word rapture also can simply mean "A feeling of extreme bliss or ecstatic joy", which is very much what the emote seems to convey. Doesn't mean there aren't tons of christian styled motifs in the game, but the reading into this part specifically feels more like overthinking a genuinely simple detail. ---- Lastly, I actually personally believe that we now have a much clearer image of that the difference between the two fingers and the three fingers is. We see that Metyr is able to birth beings of single, double, and triple fingers, but also able to birth absolute abomination hands with like 20 or 30 fingers on them seemingly. During one of her attacks, she also seems to throw 'worms' on you from her stomach. I believe these aren't just worms, but little baby fingers that are undeveloped and have no body or other fingers connected to them. We also see an example of beings and an area heavily DOMINATED by the frenzied flame, and even a seeming 'lord' of the frenzied flame, yet there is no three fingers to be found in this area. I believe with all this evidence, that the two fingers was simply the main 'receiver' species created by Metyr, and that the three fingers we see in the base game is effectively just a faulty and 'defective' version that was cast out and shunned, and thus ended up coincidentally becoming a vessel to the frenzied flame. What I mean to say is: I don't think that any being she births that happens to have 3 fingers would just automatically be connected to the frenzied flame, I think it was just that ONE pair. If we have beings with WILDLY varying numbers of fingers all from 1 to several dozen, then why would the ones that happen to land on the number 3 be special automatically? I think the frenzied flame, as one of the outer gods, simply prays on outcasts and beings it deems as useful hosts.
Is this your first Emerald Gecko video? All his theories are based upon LOADS of conjecture. He's the Alex Jones of Elden Ring. Like, to a tee, he throws out waves of bullshit and when he gets one thing right he's like "See! SEE!!!" Good job breaking down why he's wrong in this case, and if you've enjoyed doing it, have fun with the rest of his content!
Re: the three fingers. Every other time we see madness/the flame of frenzy, it's an infection. It builds. People are normal, suffer something beyond human ability to rationalize and *become* a source of madness/frenzy. So it's possible the 3 fingers were actually infected by the Flame of Frenzy, not the source of it (since there is evidence to suggest the flame of frenzy is itself an outer will/god and the fingers, we know now, are not.)
The elden beast theory makes so much sense 👏. All things converge. Although i think her playing both sides, while valid, doesnt really connect with anything. My theory is that she birthed the three fingers by mistake or birthed it and later regreted it. A cursed child. Familiar?
Thank you!!! Very familiar indeed… maybe the three fingers are bastards of another god? It would explain why the powers of the three fingers is so different!!
One of her Remembrance weapons basically calls her vapid, so she's not really planning anything. She runs on instinct, like a border colli puppy herding toddlers, chicks, sheep, cars and vacuum robots. What she's herding doesn't make sense, but that's what she's evolved to do, so she's doing it.
@theemeraldgecko310 another thing. A caveat if you will. I could be dead wrong, so bear with me. Have you ever noticed all the weird subtle connections between messmer/ melina and midra lord of the frenzy flame? All three have there LEFT eye shut and all three are connected to fire 🔥. I've heard the argument that radagon is there father, but the reason why I can't believe that is because of my convergence theory, that all the lore folds into itself and every action is connected to the main story, wether physically or symbolically. And midra being there father is literally the ONLY thing that connects midra to the main story, without it he's just a random side boss that doesn't really have anything to do with anyone. Also he's the only named LORD in the dlc, and we know you need to have the power of a lord to become a god. Now I can see the argument that his wife was nanaya, but we've seen multiple times when characters pretend to be someone else, raani and morgott being two such examples. What if midra birthed the three fingers so it can commune with frenzy so she could use its power to make a lord specifically for marikas ritual? But they didn't want him to become a full lord and burn away there plans, so she made a copy of herself and convinced him to not give in and fully become a lord, thus eliminating metyr/ marikas greatest threat. It explains why the hornsent hate him so much and gave him such a a cartoonishly cruel punishment, it fits with her needing a lord, it connects symbolically with melina and messmer, it explains why marika is so quick to destory the merchants and it makes his whole story converge with the rest of the plot, rather then being some radom that has nothing to do with anyone. Idk, but it would be a cool video to see, considering noones even entertaining this idea. Also an argument against radagom being their father is in the trailer, to me atleast, it looks like radagon and marika are still one person when she does the ritual to become a god.
its explicetly stated that the 3 fingers also crashed in the dlc and in the base game the 3 fingers got summoned from the suffering of the merchants underground
Nice theory but a large hole in it is that it's confirmed through items/lore that the tunnels in metyrs arena are how metyr planted new 2 fingers throughout the lands between and the reason of them being unused is due to metyr being injured by the fingerslayer blade, no longer able to give birth to any two fingers but only to finger creepers
I noticed a body hanging out of metyrs stomach and it had me wondering if that was someone like yuri who became the finger mother and it all grew out of the body.
Yuri is Ymir’s dead child. Ymir is the one who wants to become the new finger mother. Ymir is basically driven insane by his child’s death, which is why he wants to become the new mother to birth new children. it’s a psychotic desire to have a family again
The elden beast landed long before Marikas order. Plasidusax was the elden lord in ancient times. The tubes in Metyrs arena look nothing like the erdtrees, thei are more likely connected to the finger ruins. Metyr recieved signals for a time but she become broken probably right before Marikas rule.
The Elden Beast was sent when Marika established the Golden Order. Most likely nobody ever changed the fundamental crucible/great tree order of the lands between. And when Marika ascended and discarded the crucible order and great tree, the vast change was big enough for a new vessel of the greater will to come, that represents the Golden Order properly.
Since I've met metyr I've been saying that metyr is the folds of flesh we see Marika take grace from. I think she stole his grave to be the foundation of her elden ring and it is the elden beast. But people have pointed out metyr has 4 fingers and the elden beast has 5
I also thought something similar, that she stole Metyr’s connection to the greater will birthing the Elden beast. Becoming the mother of gold in place of Metyr
I believe the relationship between Metyr and the Elden Beast is akin to a Princess and a servant of the Royal family. The Greater Will sent them both to the Lands Between, but the only one that had the authority to connect with the cosmos was Metyr. And when Metyr was abandoned, both remained stranded on this world. It makes even more sense if you think about the actual purpose of this cosmic beings: The Elden Beast is a system, a tool that can be used to shape the laws of a planet and give it Order. And Metyr is a comunication device. She and her fingers are supposed to be mediators between the Greater Will and the denizens of the host world, which in time would produce a god worth of wielding the Elden Beast. The important part is that the Elden Beast probably doesn't have a say in all of this. After all, if it hasn't got a way to speak with the real king, why would a simple vassal challenge the orders of a Princess.
I was not ready for someone thinking the trees in the elden beast arena are reals + the giants fingers in the finger boss arena are in fact roots of thoose trees... Maybe it's a bit stretch but I think giant fingers in the arena are in fact giant fingers in the surface and the trees in the elden beast arena are not real just a metaphore.
2:00 this is absolutely debateable though, its NEVER said that she NEVER had contact with the GW. I'm personally of the opinion she either lost contact when Marika shattered the ring, or possibly when Marika created the land of shadow
In her staff from her remembrance, it talks about her loosing contact with the greater will, I do think at some point she did have contact but maybe that was cut long ago?
Meytir has a gash in its stomach region that looks like the where marika pulled those golden strands in the trailer. I think that was the elen beast in a embryotic form
@@theemeraldgecko310it talks about how the circle in the middle represents the Greater Will and its lightless abyss. Which is fairly intriguing to say the least. The Greater Will feels very familiar to the Astel with that line.
Wonder if/how the abyssal serpent "shorne of light" in Messmer might be related to that too, if the greater will is symbolized as an empty circle / a "lightless abyss"
I was guessing it might mean the Greater Will is the very cosmos/space. It's not necessarily lightless due to the many stars, but on its own, space is "dark", hence the term for dark matter
I like the theory that metyr was sent to the lands between. She was doing her thing taking orders as she should. The nox wounded her rendering her unable to produce fingers properly. Then she was abandoned by the greater will. Went crazy because she wasn't receiving orders. Then used what she could (current fingers) to follow out the last set of orders from the greater will. She needed someone to act in the world on the greater will's behalf, enter merika. Merika started her journey to ascension. The greater will took notice of the power of gold (but remember merika had gold with no order). It then sent the elden beast, which is the embodiment of order. This lead to merika becoming a puppet basically. She was in, as st trina would say, "the prison of godhood."
The Ruins Great sword description says it’s a fragment of ruins that fell from the sky. The fragments fell when a meteorite (Metyr) hit the ruins (Farum Azula) and imbued the fragment with its power, that power being a gravitational wave of destruction, and as you described in this video, Metyr might be the source of gravitational magic within the lands between. Not to mention, The Ruins Greatsword has fingerprint formations all over it. If your speculations are true, then that would be some incredible lore for The Ruins Greatsword.
Holy shit!!! Honestly I love this part of making these videos so much, so many things always seem to come together and I love it so much! Thanks for letting me know, awesome stuff dude
Let us all appreciate the level of skill in making the lore in this game. It's so well done that people will spend just as much (if not more) time making, theorizing, watching lore than playing the game! I hope FromSoft NEVER explains everything, that would take away part of the magic of Elden Ring.
Listen to the sound when u use the flute in the ruins... That fits very well to the corpus of these "tubes". They are just tubes and thanks to the attributes of water metyr does not need ears to notice the waves
The way I see it is that Metyr was the FIRST vassal of the Greater Will seeing as the item descriptions only ever say she was sent by the Greater Will and was later cut off, but the way I see it is she was not only cut off, but replaced by the Elden Beast after she was wounded (possibly by the fingerslayer blade) and unable to produce more two fingers. Metyr was abandoned after her usefulness ran dry, but The Greater Will still comunes with the world, just through its newer vassal, the Elden Beast.
@@theemeraldgecko310 Thank you! But it’s more implied by her wounds, her being “broken and abandoned” and the way she spawns imperfect fingers (fingercreepers). Her brokenness has to do with her being useless to the Greater Will somehow. I could even go a little more unhinged with the theorizing and say her last “true” fingers she spawned was the Three Fingers and that *really* invoked the ire of the Greater Will
@pizzaluvah198 you’re welcome! Thank you for explaining further I get you now!!! I had totally missed the broken part of her items, which is totally on me, thank you for explaining and I totally agree/love what you’re theorising!
Another thing linking Metyr to the arrival of these alien lifeforms is the crash site of a fallingstar beast right beside the finger ruins in the hinterlands. The delivery of Metyr to earth via a shooting star could have somehow opened up a sort of weak point that allowed other things to follow her in
When it comes to the mention of six fingers, something I immediately thought of is that various characters have six-fingered hands, the first two I think of are Godrick (though they could be grafted) and Rykard, their cutscenes explicitly show their hands
Her Remembrance says she's the mother of all Two Fingers and Fingercreepers, not the Three Fingers. We don't really know where the Three Fingers came from
@thehippieboy6927 It might not have been her choice. We know Chaos is against the Greater Will. Just like Bayle is a mutant the 3 fingers might have been one also.
@@ZeroFallout1 outer gods only influence people, not cosmic beings, so the frenzied flame could not have done anything to metyr directly. Mutations do not happen randomly in elden ring, changes and incongruences always appear with cause. In bayle’s case, he’s the incarnation of the animalistic crucible that was once bountiful within all life. The ancient dragons as we know them now only made their appearance when they were granted hands and fingers, and with that intelligence. The three fingers could have very well spawned spontaneously, as would be fitting for a chaotic flame. That would not make much sense in the story of elden ring, though. We do not know the mechanism for how the two fingers were spawned or how they think. In any case, the three fingers may have been a two fingers defector influenced by people, or it might have defected on its own when finding out about the abandonment by the greater will. Or, perhaps a young two fingers was nurtured by someone like nanaya who wanted chaos to take the world. all seem like god options to me.
seems more like the three fingers are a prison for the frenzied flame. the Three fingers can not become a lord. perfect place to bury it. their existence sure as hell is a mystery!
I would like to point out that there are fingers and fingereggs(?) in Midra's Manse, so for me the three fingers were corrpted by the frenzy flame. Just has the frenzy warm stone item description said, the three fingers are cousins to the two fingers
Oh 100% a grand reveal that it was her all along, then again, I wouldn’t want her to be the final boss with how she is now, she’d definitely need some work as you say!
My theory is that the three finger were corrupted by the Aging Untouchables, if you look at the map the zone where Midra's Manor is, is next to a finger ruins zone, both areas seem to have been connected, but they are now separated by a wall that can be seen perfectly fine from the finger ruins side and from the map. We know from Midra's note that Aging Untouchables can infect other beings with the Frenzied flame. My theory is simple. The three fingers started normal but were infected by Aging Untouchables to be the oracle of the Frenzied flame, either Marica or the Horsent found out and isolated the area with a giant wall closing the connections between the areas. Then they left Midra locked in his manor, and as for the fingers, they locked them in the lands between hoping that nobody found them.
I'm not sure if Metyr plays both sides herself, or whether her offspring were simply corrupted. Think of Marika's children; they're all technically born of the goddess representing the Greater Will, yet many fall to other outer gods like the Formless Mother, the God of Scarlet Rot, the Dark Moon, and the Great Serpent/the Abyssal Serpent. Some even attempt to become gods unto themselves, like Miquella. It might just be that the mother of fingers was sent ahead to start creating the two(?) fingers to set up lines of communication with the Greater Will and instructions for the living beings in the Lands Between on how to create/enact and worship the Greater Will and eventually the Golden Order. The fields of fingers and the many stone fingers in her boss arena might simply be failed births. This would explain why there's "single finger" corpses but why we've never seen a grown, living "Single Finger" representing an outer god, or an aspect of one (future DLC or sequels notwithstanding of course). Considering the Two fingers + Three Fingers make a full hand, and it's clear that the goal of the Three Fingers is to reunite everything in singular formless chaos it stands to reason that once upon a time the aspects that these fingers represent were once a "full hand" - the question is then whether the Greater Will itself was a "full hand" and consciously chose not to represent certain aspects of itself (like frenzy/chaos) or whether that was accidentally or purposefully done by Metyr being unable or unwilling to birth "full hands" and her three-pronged offspring rebelling against the representation of life and order that the Two Fingers embody. This notion of "Chaos" being refined down to order is also clearly defined in the history of the Lands Between, with the Crucible creating somewhat of a melting pot, an amalgamation of living things. Then when the Erdtree was created, the chaotic beings of the crucible were shunned (the Omen-born and the Misbegotten for instance) and its old institutions were cast aside in favor of the new Golden Order. Certain aspects of "the whole" are cast aside in favor of refinement, and so there might not have been a place for the "Three Fingers" or even the "One Finger" to represent any aspects of the Greater Will anymore. That might also explain why there's so little living fingers left, and why there's so many apparent "stillbirths" around Metyr. She too is no longer really 'required' by the Greater Will.
Great video! For future vids I would really appreciate sources/images of item descriptions when they're referenced! It makes it much easier to understand what is written and what is interpreted, and also really cool to see what you're drawing from!
I think these kinds of boss arenas show what the boss is in control of, or most linked to. Elden beast/erdtree. Metyr/fingers. In the hunters dream there are stone pillars very similar to the elden beast fight. Gerhman/moon presence perpetuating the dream
Ranni: ‘I would not be controlled by that THING’ makes so much more sense after Metyr. She definitely knew all along and I wish the DLC had a bit of dialogue of Ranni discussing this further.
I believe the fingers represented Metyr faith in the greater will since she still was waiting for the greater will to return and her resentment is represented by the three fingers. We know she has resentment from her ash of war. To add to that we she bow it looks like a finger pressing down, this also how the three fingers communicate according to the fingerprint shield. I also believe Metyr was injured by the Nox with the finger slayer blade and fled to her boss arena but not before sending Astel to send them under ground. This would happen before Marika’s ascension to Godhood. Since Ymir claims the fingers and Marika were (misguided?) from the start. I can’t remember the dialogue exactly.
It was about a month after original elden ring release that i first put gaol and jail together and here we are a month after the dlc release and i am finally putting together metyr and meteor. ty.
Great video. I think that Metyr is not acting out of boredom but rather because she is unsure what to do. She lost the ability to receive messages from the greater will so it seems that she’s trying to fulfill the last message received, to usher in a new age, however she can while waiting for more instructions.
Another banger from Gecko! Metyr is definitely more important than we think. She’s got her fingers on all the pies, so to speak! Also, Ranni’s line about not being controlled by “that thing” - I strongly believe she wasn’t talking about the fingers but about Metyr itself. Ranni knew the fingers were just a stand in for Metyr, also had knowledge of forbidden magic / rituals / weapons that have been verified to be able to hurt Metyr and her minions. I bet the Nox went for the womb of the mother of fingers (finger slayer blade), then got taken out by a meteor she summoned… the Elden beast? … Astel? Anyway there’s more to be discovered about this side of the lore. The fingers are bullshitters and the finger readers also.
@@nonstopnate.I stand by my statement, Blaidd is beyond reproach and a beacon of light in a dying world. He is the pinnacle goodbois and deserves all the love he's shown lol
My personal guess is that there is no playing both sides. It's that three fingers grew disillusioned with their abandonment by the greater will and chose to side with frenzy flame, as to take all the pain away, (they lost purpose and don't want to exist enymore). While two fingers still cling to a hope that greater will might some day return.
I think the one finger represents the time of the gloam eyed queen because if you look at the sigil of the black flame incantation and the godslayer seal it looks like a single finger print and if we assume that was also during the hornsent time it would make sense as a single finger reaching out to the gods
Once I was thinking, that in Metyr's BOSS Arena, the Things on the Water Sky are The Other Side of the Fingure Structures on the Serfes. You know Which. Those, that you have to GO and Blow, and Run pass Some Enemies.
Shibriri seems to corrupt and possess. Maybe the 3 fingers were taken and used as the initial contact point for that OG. Potentially different fingers numbers could be analogous to different radio frequencies looking for messages from beyond in slightly different ways.
@@theemeraldgecko310 yeah I was really doing the emote when I was first doing the fight for cool screenshots hahaha I totally forgot that I got it from the two fingers
@MercuryMoore777 awesome find! I had a similar occurrence, hadn’t ever picked up the emote, went to get them for bee role and got the emote leading me down the white rabbits hole lmao
I love the idea that metyr is tricking everyone and controlling all the fingers but i do think that the elden beast is the genuine vassal of the greater will and is not linked to her, purely because its so different from her. I also do think that, rather than 'playing all sides' the different fingers may represent all sides or factors of the greater will, and metyrs primordial being equalling to all of thise apects. Great video!
Thank you so much! I honestly do like this theory as well! Do you think its possible after the greater will abandoned Metyr that the elden beast rebelled? Awesome stuff dude, thank you!!
the finger ruins could also just be the roots that go into the metyr boss room, plus assuming that the golden erd trees in the elden beast boss fight room are wooden, why would they have a stone-like structure beneath the water if they're wood? if you go to the deep root depths you can see the roots from (assuming) minor erdtrees, and the erdtree itself which look brown and dead, and those don't look like stone, although your idea isn't far-fetched since both boss rooms are all water.
I think the salient detail we're given is that the Gazing Finger's L2 is called "Kowtower's Resentment." Metyr, the Greater Will's magnificently gleaming firstborn, stands abandoned. The vision has been entrusted to another vessel, a new favored child, and now she is meant to bow? She's not bored, she's furious.
Don't forget you injure your "One Finger" to gain access to the blood grounds where you encounter the hornsent. Sounds to me like the blood mother is that first finger
metyr is straight out of bloodborne-s great ones, i love it . also in terms of power scaling for bosses metyr is possible the most powerful thing we face, or Elden beast, they are interchangeable.
8:05 We also have the 5 fingers which the Beastmen worshipped. 5 fingers is what gave them civilisation under the order of the dragons. Placidussax was probably a lord of 5 fingers as his yellow flame combines the fire damage of a frenzied flame without the madness and is not holy damage yellow flame like the elden beast. There also the the Cincedia knife which features a 5-finger desighn. 9:26 Metyr definetly has some tie to the crucible it's seen in her spiral tail. Spirals are a crucible faith thing. I do think something is missing though. Metyr's desighn lacks any 3 finger bits. She has finger prints which only the 3 fingers have and 2 fingers & creepers don't though. Metyr also lacks any grab attack like the finger creepers have or any holy or flame attacks. Instead she uses gravity attacks and microcosms. She also does not use any nail-based attacks and her 'fingers' lack nails when in the Raught ruins we find fingers with nails and an entire school of magic based around nails. The only practitioners of nail-magic being: Ymir Lampreymen Wizards in Catacombs I have a hard time wrapping my head around the entire full school of Fingers: 3 fingers - yellow fire + madness - bring all things together (pure equality) 2 fingers - holy fire + holy, order - make all things subservient (chierarchy of purity?) 5 fingers - yellow fire, beastman incantations - uplift lesser beings into civilisation (equality, through unity?) Crucible - no fire, only Holy, spiral incantations - manifest traits of what was split - (chierchy of unity) Finger creepers - weak to fire??? - grab attacks, healing - unnatural mix? Nails - magic, white not blue magic, attack always indirectly, bounce either in air or from ground Metyr - magic, gravity magic - theme birth & creation ????? Then we also from the Sword of Light and Darkness we know that the Crucible was a source of light as opposed to the finger ruins which were a source darkness. It kinda seems to me like what the fingers are and what the crucible is were two separate entities and conzepts somehow brought together by Merika's heresy and ascenssion to godhood. For example it's implied with the Church of the Bud that Scarlet Lot was part of the Crucible cult at some point.
Great video m8! Perhaps the fingers on a.. well.. finger denote its intelligence. 1 is too dumb, hence ot worth pursuing. 2 is just right, 3 gives them too much free reign hence why they could align with the God of Frenzied Flame. This line of thinking would also work with there being finger creepers, which are indeed composed of multiple fingers yet far smaller than any 1,2 or 3 fingers so maybe they are more like worker ants instead of "envoys". I mean finger ruins needed to be built somehow. Or who knows, maybe Miyazaki really enjoyed Euron Greyjoy's line "A finger in the bum!" from GoT since he did work with GRR Martin xD
A little detail that adds to your theory: The Scadutree completely grows out of the ocean, which would be impossible for a normal tree, so the golden erdtrees or whatever you want to call them in Elden Beast arena could also be sprouting from water. Maybe they are not even trees in a conventional sense and dont need any roots.
I like to think of the “one finger” as representative of the Tarnished. We use single fingers to write messages for other Tarnished, to invade and help others. How this manifests lore-wise I don’t really know, but thematically the Tarnished puts a finger into every pie, we use fingers as the primary tool to communicate between the dimensions that I believe didn’t begin to happen until the Shattering. Marika’s plan for the Tarnished wasn’t a “chosen one”, but chosen millions. Shattering the world so that multiple timelines are occurring simultaneously was intentional. The Tarnished can do it alone, but there is an opportunity through the fingers to team up with other Tarnished. How this relates to Metyr or Marika is open to a lot of interesting speculation, but the one finger as allegory for the Tarnished as an individual player and as a caste to me is clear.
There is a lot here. I can't say I'm on board with a lot of it. But I hope you will hear me out. I don't think the tubes are connected to the trees. I think they connect to the fingers in the ruins above. If they serve any purpose they are likely a PA system for Metyr to communicate with other fingers. (Messages vibrate in her chamber, up the tubes and out into the air for two fingers to detect.) That's just a guess because we have no way of knowing what they do, but we know they aren't near the Erdtree. Though Metyr was eventually abandoned by the Greater will it doesn't mean the Elden Beast wasn't sent by it. Think of it as an invasion. Metyr is the scout she establishes the beach head. Then when things are good, she radios home for the next phase to start (sending the Elden Beast). Metyr though a daughter of the Greater Will, is not a god. When she dies it's only a "Legend Felled" while the Elden Beast does trigger "God Slain." Interestingly, she also was likely not responsible for the 3 Fingers. In Midra's Manse under the tarps, are the corpses of Fingers and Finger eggs. This leads me to believe the 3 fingers were created in the Manse, thus their singular nature, as far as we are aware. 8:43 the Hornsent Divine Gate also predates Marika. Hornsent culture was Polytheistic. They had many gods just look at the Tutelary deities alone. The system of elevating gods was already part of their tradition. As a matter of fact, these gods I believe were the target of the Gloam-Eyed Queen's godskin hunts (if she was Melina then this tracks that Marika used Melina and Messmer to wipe out Crucible Culture's power and then tossed them both away.) 9:28 the creation of the Elden Ring predates the Golden Order. The Elden Ring existed in the time of Placidusax, long before the Erdtree, before Marika, before Belurat. To circle back the Golden Order was created in the wake of Messmer's crusade, post Godfrey banishing. The founding moments of the Golden Order are Marika declaring herself the one and only god (GEQ's Godskin hunt completed and Messmer has sealed the tower so no new gods may arise theoretically) and the removal of Destined Death from the Elden Ring. Unfortunately, it doesn't really line up with your timeline.
My thoughts on metyr was one of two conclusions: She was wounded by the finger slayer blade by the Nox, Or The Birth of the Three fingers is what damaged metyr, with how her "birthing spots" seemed to have burns
Hello Guys, one questions i dont have the strenght for the Turtleshell Shield. But is the stamina boost on without the strenght? Or i need the full 14 Points the have the bonus
I honestly don’t know, but I’ve seen people use the jelly fish shield and get the effects from that so I imagine! I can’t test it as I’m on holiday, but you should be able to tell by a debuff in the top left near you’re health bar with it equipped:)
Regarding her motive, maybe the three finger like structures growing out of the water in her arena could symbolize a growing want to burn away life instead of preserving it? In turn maybe growing frustration about being left alone by the Outer Will without guidance for so long
I think that metyr got stabbed by the nox and then abandoned then rebel doing the tree fingers... the melt all way and destroy every possible knowledge that could dmg a God or Divinity
I’d not say matyr is higher in power or whatever that the elden beast. Because. If you send your general to a new planet to conquer. Wouldn’t you send a scout first? To inspect the lands you’re to take over? Or maybe make the planet conform to your ideas of power before you even send he general to take command? I think the beast is the mold that took over the world. But the mother was merely a scout charged with swaying the populous into obeying the greater will before it’s primary herald arrives! But the video is super cool well thought out!
Marika's position on the cross is definitely reminiscent of Crucification. Especially the spear through her. However, Odin was not crucified in the same manner as Jesus was. Odin hung himself with a noose from the boughs of Yggdrasil, sacrificing himself, unto himself with his spear Gungnir in his side. All three of these depictions share many similarities, but the difference with Odin was the noose, which made him the Lord of the Hanged, or the Hanged One. This process allowed him to discover the secrets of the Runes, which are somewhat different to Elden Ring's Runes.
great observations about the arena, I think if Metyr was consciously fomenting the Three Fingers, this is actually still in line with her yearning for the Greater Will. The Frenzied Flame wants to return all to the One Great, so maybe the Three Fingers are a last resort if no god or lord can realign the world with the Greater Will again
4:45 I agree with you in a sense, but there’s a bigger reason at play. I believe the message Metyr received from the “Greater Will” was a one time thing and it was the act of creation, or ordering chaos. She uses this knowledge as a weapon in her microcosm, which if were blown up by one order of magnitude would equal our current reality. It’s a hard thing to really describe, but it could explain why the GW doesn’t really seem to care what Order there is as long as there’s something, and why the Two FIngers are stuck on repeat preaching about Order. If you just think of ‘creation’ as synonymous with ‘order’, it makes some sense. All these concepts would reflect the hermetic traditions in a way and it’s been apparent since the base game that Elden Ring’s creation myth is representative of hermetic beliefs.
I think the map is actually twisted in comparison to the original map, with the three Finger ruins (shaped like fingers) point to a central point on the map, that point being where the Erdtree was planted. (Remember the items they give when you ring the bells) My theory is that the map needs to rotate about 90 degrees and have the finger ruins point ''up'' to match the map, since it puts jagged peak between the mountain tops and caelid instead of inside caelid. But this would displace the Scadutree, so I need to think about this more.
I think the 1 fingers were at best early attempts or rejected fingers. It's possible fingers were being born with 3 fingers and one getting removed after mishap with the very first 3 fingers taking favor into chaos with Its extra ability to function as a fuller hand, and it may have been rejected from the start.
The Gazing Finger weapon may have some sort of connection to this supposed “One Finger” what it’d represent or mean I’m not too sure however definitely a potential connection.
Beautiful buoyant buffing praaaaaaaaaaawns! I hope you do a theory that Marika was indeed jarred because the elden beast has all aspects of every creature, as does marika when she has her children. Theory maybe?
Although the water in the sky of Metyr's arena does innitialy feels like it should connect to Elden Beast's arena like in Bloodborne's nightmares, I don't think the structures coming from the sky in Metyr's arena looks like the bottom of the golden trees in Elden Beast's. For me, they look like the bottom part of the Finger Ruins in the DLC. Which, not only have plenty of "one fingers" growing like you find in Metyr's arena ground, but also the tube-like structures in the sky of the arena looks like from where the sound of someone blowing the "hanging bells" in the ruins would come out, and Metyr would hear the call and, I dunno, "wake up" after hearing it three times.
Can you imagine it’s actually the ripped off finger of different fingers and it mutated. Kind of like how if a finger gets ripped off it can be used for invasions?
It's just a random thought. But I was playing Bloodborn again after some time and was chilling in the hunters dream when I realized the surrounding/background of the place, it reminded me of the final boss arena having tree like pillars/structure ls coming from somewhere to somewhere. Just a random connection thought could be something there
Love the video. Idk about how strongly I agree with the specific theories, but I like a lot of the ideas you put out there, especially the Norse mythology connection which I've not seen brought up too much. Between the runes, giant tree, gods using identities to manipulate others and the prevalence of dragons and giants there are probably some inspirations that could help explain stuff. Idk about Metyr messing with people due to boredom but I do wonder if maybe she acts to spite the greater will. We do know the Elden Beast went to intervene when Marika went to shatter the ring, hence why she's imprisoned within the tree, but it's hard to say exactly when they were sent or why. I reckon Metyr has been trying to ruin the order of the greater will through influencing people via the two fingers and supplanting herself as if she were the outer god. Maybe she considered the frenzy route via the three fingers but sealed them away after she discovered it's more convinient to manipulate...kind of like Marika with Messmer now that I think about it
Thank you so much! 100% agree, awhile back I translated the map obelisks which are chocked full of basically every futhark language, Norse mythology is definitely in fromsoftwares mind!! I actually think that’s really plausible as well, makes a lot of sense!!!
Divinity's Gate looks like 2 fingers. Metyr's fingers hold a microcosm. A microcosm being a RECREATION of what is real. Radahn was recreated. Marika changed the script at the last second...once the tower was completed she "contacted" and brought down the Elden Star to fall in the hinter lands.
Maybe the Onyx lords were just unlucky inhabitants that were too close when she crashed into the lands? And she unwittingly caused them to evolve into the Lord's. Just another idea.
I highly doubt Mety wants the Frenzy Flame to burn everything. If the Three Fingers are related to her I think they have broken off and are doing their own thing. There isn't anything in the game that connects Metyr with Frenzy and we have a lot for the Three Fingers that seems like they aren't in sync with any other Finger type.
1 finger = single being will. 2 fingers = single being will + god - hence “greater will” and the guidance. 3 fingers = the mixture of all, the single being will + god + the primordial order or whatever - hence the “return” to the whatever it is Heita says. Everything in the universe seeks equilibrium, bringing everything to that primordial order could be that equilibrium
One thing I feel that you forgot to mention with the onyx lords is their strange tattoos. I feel like they quite heavily resemble the cipher on the book of the two fingers spells
Interesting thoughts! Maybe she once sided with the two fingers but after getting harmed by the finger slayer blade loser her ability to produce complete fingers then she swapped to the three fingers wanting it to all burn down. Maybe idk.
Edit: I’ve seen a lot of comments commenting on the elden stars, perhaps I didn’t explain it well enough in the video, yes it does say the greater will sent it, but the two fingers are also said to be from the greater will/communing with it, Imo it’s very likely the greater will did not send down the elden beast :)
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one fingers could represent a spiral based on their death pose and if you ask me, a spiral could be the truest form of both order AND chaos as the shape itself is unending and chaotically spiraling BUT in a 100% orderly and perfect manner with perhaps, this is how the honrsent used this to reach the gods and create the gate of divinity which could allow for both marika and miquella to have become gods.
Dude, you are reaching so far that you basically outed yourself as not understanding almost any of this. You clearly ignore or outright try to distrust item descriptions, fail to recognize the roots of the finger ruins in Metyr's boss arena, and make baseless claims. Please do your research and have someone who knows better that can rebut things like this before you post them
@@codypatton2859 dude as i see it your the one who should be doing that.
@@R_o_o_k_i_n_g_t_o_n I mean.. he's not exactly wrong.
During my time watching the video I caught myself thinking "Okay, that's a stretch." and "Yeah, this, too. It makes no sense, we already have proof otherwise." or similiar things that would contradict many other statements.
I understand that CCs like to put out theories for the sake of content and entertainment but if there is no coherent string attached to it it's completely fine to call them out for it. No need to "protect" them if there is actual critique involved their statement. And considering there's a lot of CCs out there that just spout the wildest nonsense I understand when people don't have the most of patience forming a "tamer" reply. And why should they anyways, this is the internet. Gotta have some thick skin to make it here.
Nice, but I think the tubes in Metyr's arena are the roots of the Finger Ruins. They look thicker than the golden trees and the trees are on sides of the arena.
I did have this thought but I think it’s also worth remembering that everything to do with outer gods is freaky lmaoo
@@theemeraldgecko310 I dont think the golden ethereal trees would have solid tube roots that dont actually resemble roots and are not rooted. These remind me more of the envoy horns and would be a way for metyr to communicate to whole realm.
Yeah the roots aren’t golden like the erd tree thinks it a stretch
I agree I think they are the bottom of the finger ruins
@@theemeraldgecko310 why don't u get the free cam mod to look into those tubes?
4:34 Ohh I've seen the One Finger plenty enough times. Fromsoft has been giving me the finger in pretty much all fights in the DLC.
This is by far one of the best comments I’ve ever read, amen brother
god tier comment
@leonamongwolves it really is
what’re you using in fights?
I don't think she is playing all sides. She's just the mother of fingers, and like Marika's children they all have their own agendas. At least the three fingers.
The tube like structures seems to me more related to the finger ruins.
Metyr's lore confirms that the GW has been absent from the creation of the Golden order from the beginning and she was pretty much just winging it.
Theres so many things falling from the stars in ER, that just because she uses gravity I don't think is evidence enough to connect her as the origin of the gravity lords. To me these are forces of the cosmos that different beings harnessed in different ways
Yeah, the gravity argument was pretty weak for me too. It's more that anything that comes from the cosmos has an inherent understanding of these forces, in my mind.
Agreed. To me, she doesn't seem like an very aware creature. The description of the mace weapon mentions how her eye "stares vacantly" into the void, which doesn't sound very present, aware and intelligent to me.
I have seen somewhere that when the maps are aligned and resized, a lot of places connects ALONG with having the Erdtree AND Metyr's boss room overlapping each other
It never fails to leave me in awe the scale of these games, great points dude! I’m 100% convinced if we could see, they would be overlapping
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I'm not sure how to post the link tho :/
@@sonnyguigard6807 you can try to separate "http" part from the rest of the link
@@AltFromTheLimboI tried both, but comments both disappeared, I think Gecko has to approve the link first for it to appear
@@sonnyguigard6807I hope you find a way it sounds interesting
As you were speaking, I noticed it. The ceiling of Metyr's arena is the surface of a body of water. The shimmering, the diffusion of light, the lack of gravity effects on the tubes making them feel suspended, yeah, this is under water.
Glad you think so too!!! I love this so god damn much, it’s so in depth!
@@theemeraldgecko310 yes, being underwater is very 'in depth' hehe.
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not all things are "water". This WORLD is not Earth, it does not follow the laws of same laws of physics. Shooting stars are literally just space creatures, and they are what make up the STARS IN THE SKY. The moons are entities. Using logic will only lead you to incorrect outcomes.
Rennala arena is also on top of a water surface
Metyr being below the Elden Beast is brilliant, that’s a wild idea. While she’s not the final boss of the expansion, it makes me think of Warcraft’s Wrath of the Lich King, in which Yogg Saron isnt the final boss, but he’s the puppet master.
Glad you thought so!! Interesting, someone in the last video mentioned made a connection between the scarlet rot and a rot character from Warcraft! Maybe there’s more connection we don’t know!!!
Ulduar was so fucking cool in WoW
The water part symbolizes cosmic truth being understood by our character. The Carians used the pools to look at the moon's reflection as a way to meditate. It meant that although the moon was large, it could fit inside a reflection, same principle as the Lunariums in Bloodborne.
Every time we fight a boss on top of a body of water it means we are having contact with a cosmic truth and it's more of a symbolic struggle with insight than a literal fight.
While the idea of Metyr creating the Three Fingers on purpose is interesting, a counterpoint would be that Ranni's Two Fingers actually have a thumb as well, proving that two fingers and a thumb may not be solely the purview of the Frenzied Flame.
The sets of three fingers shown in Metyr's arena seem to have the same thickness and bends that both the Two Fingers proper and a smaller version of Ranni's Fingers would have. The Three Fingers tied to the Frenzied Flame, however, are incredibly thin and more straight/angular, and the 'thumb' is nearly as long as the other two, which we don't see anywhere else.
To me, this makes it seem that these Three Fingers are a malformed and malnourished version of a 'proper' set of two-fingers-and-a-thumb. Metyr's proper hands, on her main limbs, do have four fingers and not five, as would be expected of an intelligent being, so I would say this makes her not just unnatural, but unintelligent ('below' the five of enlightenment).
Rather than her creating the Three Fingers out of boredom, I see it as more likely that the Three Fingers simply was the only set to see how truly vapid their mother was, how she is simply listlessly existing and birthing in a void without the Greater Will to guide her, and the realization of that is what made the Three Fingers what they are - that the Will has abandoned us, that all the births its creation of the universe led to - including their own - is a mistake, and that the solution is to burn all and melt all until convergence is achieved.
It just occurred to me that Metyr could be the gloam eyed queen we had assumed was human or related to Marika. She was chosen (an Empyrean) to crash land first. Marika was the vessel meant to unite Metyr and the Elden Beast, only she separated them instead by sealing all that encompassed darkness (including especially death) below the veil. The Gloam eye is Metyr's portal - pure Void. Its like the 'eye' in Gideon's scepter, not a physical eye but a metaphysical one. It is dark implosion/attraction to the gold explosion/expulsion. Marika sealed the visible Gloam from herself but it passed to her children in various forms.
I can’t put into words how much I love this theory and to me it actually makes quite a lot of sense! Even though Metyr isn’t an outer god, maybe Metyr corrupted Melina like the scarlet rot outer god does and that’s why she has her gloam powers?
The biggest counterpoint i have is that metyr is heavily into sorceries and gravitational stuff
Gloam eyed queen was all about the rune of death and black flame
@@heirofheart766 Well, the staff you get from her remembrance does indicate that Metyr would be able to use incantations as well which, considering that The Greater Will is implied to also be the origin of sorcerous as well as divine power, does check out if Metyr was the Greater Will's first offspring sent to the Lands Between.
"She was chosen (an Empyrean) to crash land first."
Empyreans are chosen by the Two Fingers. How can she be chosen by something she births?
"Marika was sent to unite Metyr and the Elden Beast"
Do you have any proof of this? Because each have a mission (please correct me if I'm wrong):
- Marika was to become a vessel of the Elden Ring.
- The Elden Beast is to become the Elden Ring upon the ascendance of a God that is why it, the ER, turns to the Elden Beast in the end. It is the incarnation of order which is the Elden Ring.
- Metyr seems to be some sort of communications liaison between the Lands Between and the Greater Will.
Why would Marika's mission be to unite the Elden Beast with Metyr when both predates her and the Greater Will also left meaning Metyr is useless now. Maybe that's why she birthed the Three Fingers (just a theory). If you're suggesting Metyr is the Rune of Death (sorry if I understood wrong English is not my best language) then that makes it more nonsense as the Elden Ring is already complete why would Metyr, a communications liaison, be a part of it?
"The Gloam Eye is Metyr's portal - pure void."
Again, hoping for more explanation on where this is hinted. Also, Metyr is mostly using Gravity while the Godskins are purely Blackflame.
man you gloam eyed queen mfrs come up with the craziest theories. lmao. butchering the lore faster than people can correct it
I saw a lot of people saying Metyr dies at the end of the battle and she did not teleport out of there using the black hole microcosm, yet we see Astel create the same black hole and teleport from one part of the fight area to the other end in the blink of an eye, showing it is possible. Also on a random note, Metyr hates bowing to Marika and her Golden order, her anger towards this might be sheer jealousy from the fact that initially Metyr was the Greater Will's vessel, later Marika was chosen and Metyr was cast aside and abandoned.
That's the weird part, you clearly don't kill her, but you also do. After the fight you can go back to Enia and use Metyr's remembrance to literally claim her severed head as a weapon, and when you force her to bow by using the weapon art she becomes enraged and releases a blast of energy, so she is still very much alive even after you dismember her, but that leads to the question of what exactly happens after you beat her? Her body gets taken away into a microcosm, but Metyr gets left behind, meaning that wasn't Metyr teleporting away, someone or something simply confiscated her body after the fight.
I have never heard anybody talk about this but I feel like it's a pretty significant moment
The name of the ash of war of her boss weapon is "Kowtowers resentment" a kowtow being a bow where you kneel all the way onto the ground.
@@thomasdevlin5825 Since there will be no more dlcs for elden ring (A massive loss in my opinion), we may never know.
Kowtower's resentment more likely refers to her disdain of the Greater Will since it abandoned her
May be because the predecessors of the Nox shanked her cat, which made her unable to breed right anymore, became unfit for being the vessel.
The video is well put together, but I have a few problems with your theories here. First of all, I think it's too much of a stretch to say that the onyx lords, and the Astels are birthed from Metyr. Their gravity magic being similar seems to simply signify their cosmic origins, not a show that they're all literally born of the same being. Take for example the Fallingstar beasts. More often than not, we find the fallingstar beasts in their own little craters that shows where they themselves LITERALLY fell onto the lands between. Their gravity magic alone is enough to connect them to your other examples, but if the common theory that Astels are simply a further stage in the fallingstar beast lifecycle is to be believed, then they too are immediately eliminated from the possibility of being Metyr's children. Furthermore, it'd simply be odd to have this very OVERTLY and CLEARLY finger-based being who births finger-based beings to just have a side hobby of birthing just totally unrelated and non-finger-based beings on the regular.
On to the next point: I appreciate your thinking, but I think the use of 'Rapture' here is not as deep as you're thinking. Yes there are PLENTY of religious motifs in this game, but the word rapture also can simply mean "A feeling of extreme bliss or ecstatic joy", which is very much what the emote seems to convey. Doesn't mean there aren't tons of christian styled motifs in the game, but the reading into this part specifically feels more like overthinking a genuinely simple detail.
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Lastly, I actually personally believe that we now have a much clearer image of that the difference between the two fingers and the three fingers is. We see that Metyr is able to birth beings of single, double, and triple fingers, but also able to birth absolute abomination hands with like 20 or 30 fingers on them seemingly. During one of her attacks, she also seems to throw 'worms' on you from her stomach. I believe these aren't just worms, but little baby fingers that are undeveloped and have no body or other fingers connected to them.
We also see an example of beings and an area heavily DOMINATED by the frenzied flame, and even a seeming 'lord' of the frenzied flame, yet there is no three fingers to be found in this area. I believe with all this evidence, that the two fingers was simply the main 'receiver' species created by Metyr, and that the three fingers we see in the base game is effectively just a faulty and 'defective' version that was cast out and shunned, and thus ended up coincidentally becoming a vessel to the frenzied flame. What I mean to say is: I don't think that any being she births that happens to have 3 fingers would just automatically be connected to the frenzied flame, I think it was just that ONE pair. If we have beings with WILDLY varying numbers of fingers all from 1 to several dozen, then why would the ones that happen to land on the number 3 be special automatically? I think the frenzied flame, as one of the outer gods, simply prays on outcasts and beings it deems as useful hosts.
Very well put together!
Is this your first Emerald Gecko video? All his theories are based upon LOADS of conjecture. He's the Alex Jones of Elden Ring. Like, to a tee, he throws out waves of bullshit and when he gets one thing right he's like "See! SEE!!!" Good job breaking down why he's wrong in this case, and if you've enjoyed doing it, have fun with the rest of his content!
Re: the three fingers. Every other time we see madness/the flame of frenzy, it's an infection. It builds. People are normal, suffer something beyond human ability to rationalize and *become* a source of madness/frenzy. So it's possible the 3 fingers were actually infected by the Flame of Frenzy, not the source of it (since there is evidence to suggest the flame of frenzy is itself an outer will/god and the fingers, we know now, are not.)
The elden beast theory makes so much sense 👏. All things converge. Although i think her playing both sides, while valid, doesnt really connect with anything. My theory is that she birthed the three fingers by mistake or birthed it and later regreted it. A cursed child. Familiar?
Thank you!!! Very familiar indeed… maybe the three fingers are bastards of another god? It would explain why the powers of the three fingers is so different!!
One of her Remembrance weapons basically calls her vapid, so she's not really planning anything. She runs on instinct, like a border colli puppy herding toddlers, chicks, sheep, cars and vacuum robots. What she's herding doesn't make sense, but that's what she's evolved to do, so she's doing it.
@theemeraldgecko310 another thing. A caveat if you will. I could be dead wrong, so bear with me.
Have you ever noticed all the weird subtle connections between messmer/ melina and midra lord of the frenzy flame? All three have there LEFT eye shut and all three are connected to fire 🔥. I've heard the argument that radagon is there father, but the reason why I can't believe that is because of my convergence theory, that all the lore folds into itself and every action is connected to the main story, wether physically or symbolically. And midra being there father is literally the ONLY thing that connects midra to the main story, without it he's just a random side boss that doesn't really have anything to do with anyone. Also he's the only named LORD in the dlc, and we know you need to have the power of a lord to become a god. Now I can see the argument that his wife was nanaya, but we've seen multiple times when characters pretend to be someone else, raani and morgott being two such examples.
What if midra birthed the three fingers so it can commune with frenzy so she could use its power to make a lord specifically for marikas ritual? But they didn't want him to become a full lord and burn away there plans, so she made a copy of herself and convinced him to not give in and fully become a lord, thus eliminating metyr/ marikas greatest threat.
It explains why the hornsent hate him so much and gave him such a a cartoonishly cruel punishment, it fits with her needing a lord, it connects symbolically with melina and messmer, it explains why marika is so quick to destory the merchants and it makes his whole story converge with the rest of the plot, rather then being some radom that has nothing to do with anyone.
Idk, but it would be a cool video to see, considering noones even entertaining this idea.
Also an argument against radagom being their father is in the trailer, to me atleast, it looks like radagon and marika are still one person when she does the ritual to become a god.
its explicetly stated that the 3 fingers also crashed in the dlc and in the base game the 3 fingers got summoned from the suffering of the merchants underground
Remember when your maiden asks for 3 fingers, she is conspiring with the Frenzy Flame.
Hyetta’s quest is awesome
0:14 I'm actually not really disturbed by the number of elden ring rule 34 arts, I'm far more horrified by the elden beast (44) below it.
I had the same thought tbh, I saw the 44 and thank god I didn’t let morbid curiosity guide me, I can only imagine the horrors
@@theemeraldgecko310I see it
It's comes with madness debuff
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Most of it just eldenring but wrongly tagged
Nice theory but a large hole in it is that it's confirmed through items/lore that the tunnels in metyrs arena are how metyr planted new 2 fingers throughout the lands between and the reason of them being unused is due to metyr being injured by the fingerslayer blade, no longer able to give birth to any two fingers but only to finger creepers
That sounds cool but I don’t think anything is confirmed, like at all
What item descriptions explain how “Metyr planted new 2 fingers throughout the lands?” Don’t think I’ve seen those.
I like this theory.. but I don’t recall anything suggesting this? Could be completely wrong though
I noticed a body hanging out of metyrs stomach and it had me wondering if that was someone like yuri who became the finger mother and it all grew out of the body.
Wait really??! That’s such a good find dude, well done!!!
Yuri is Ymir’s dead child. Ymir is the one who wants to become the new finger mother. Ymir is basically driven insane by his child’s death, which is why he wants to become the new mother to birth new children. it’s a psychotic desire to have a family again
The elden beast landed long before Marikas order. Plasidusax was the elden lord in ancient times.
The tubes in Metyrs arena look nothing like the erdtrees, thei are more likely connected to the finger ruins.
Metyr recieved signals for a time but she become broken probably right before Marikas rule.
Think she was "broken" around the time Plasidusax's god fled/left maybe?
The Elden Beast was sent when Marika established the Golden Order.
Most likely nobody ever changed the fundamental crucible/great tree order of the lands between.
And when Marika ascended and discarded the crucible order and great tree, the vast change was big enough for a new vessel of the greater will to come, that represents the Golden Order properly.
Since I've met metyr I've been saying that metyr is the folds of flesh we see Marika take grace from. I think she stole his grave to be the foundation of her elden ring and it is the elden beast. But people have pointed out metyr has 4 fingers and the elden beast has 5
I also thought something similar, that she stole Metyr’s connection to the greater will birthing the Elden beast. Becoming the mother of gold in place of Metyr
Those folds of flesh are undoubtedly a dead snake, and Marika is pulling the strands from its eye. That snake is the Gloam-Eyed Queen.
I believe the relationship between Metyr and the Elden Beast is akin to a Princess and a servant of the Royal family. The Greater Will sent them both to the Lands Between, but the only one that had the authority to connect with the cosmos was Metyr. And when Metyr was abandoned, both remained stranded on this world.
It makes even more sense if you think about the actual purpose of this cosmic beings: The Elden Beast is a system, a tool that can be used to shape the laws of a planet and give it Order. And Metyr is a comunication device. She and her fingers are supposed to be mediators between the Greater Will and the denizens of the host world, which in time would produce a god worth of wielding the Elden Beast.
The important part is that the Elden Beast probably doesn't have a say in all of this. After all, if it hasn't got a way to speak with the real king, why would a simple vassal challenge the orders of a Princess.
This is honestly one of the best tales I’ve seen on the matter, this was a pleasure to read!!! Plus it make a ton of sense!
I was not ready for someone thinking the trees in the elden beast arena are reals + the giants fingers in the finger boss arena are in fact roots of thoose trees...
Maybe it's a bit stretch but I think giant fingers in the arena are in fact giant fingers in the surface and the trees in the elden beast arena are not real just a metaphore.
2:00 this is absolutely debateable though, its NEVER said that she NEVER had contact with the GW. I'm personally of the opinion she either lost contact when Marika shattered the ring, or possibly when Marika created the land of shadow
In her staff from her remembrance, it talks about her loosing contact with the greater will, I do think at some point she did have contact but maybe that was cut long ago?
Meytir has a gash in its stomach region that looks like the where marika pulled those golden strands in the trailer. I think that was the elen beast in a embryotic form
the helmet of Ymir has an interesting description about the greater will
Does it! I must have missed reading this, what does it say?
@@theemeraldgecko310it talks about how the circle in the middle represents the Greater Will and its lightless abyss. Which is fairly intriguing to say the least. The Greater Will feels very familiar to the Astel with that line.
Wonder if/how the abyssal serpent "shorne of light" in Messmer might be related to that too, if the greater will is symbolized as an empty circle / a "lightless abyss"
I was guessing it might mean the Greater Will is the very cosmos/space. It's not necessarily lightless due to the many stars, but on its own, space is "dark", hence the term for dark matter
I thought they were the base of the fingers under the finger ruins
I’m sorry I’m a little confused what you mean? Could you explain please? I’m beyond tired lmao
@@theemeraldgecko310 the end of the fingers that protrude from the ruins
@@theemeraldgecko310bro sleep
I like the theory that metyr was sent to the lands between. She was doing her thing taking orders as she should. The nox wounded her rendering her unable to produce fingers properly. Then she was abandoned by the greater will. Went crazy because she wasn't receiving orders. Then used what she could (current fingers) to follow out the last set of orders from the greater will. She needed someone to act in the world on the greater will's behalf, enter merika. Merika started her journey to ascension. The greater will took notice of the power of gold (but remember merika had gold with no order). It then sent the elden beast, which is the embodiment of order. This lead to merika becoming a puppet basically. She was in, as st trina would say, "the prison of godhood."
The Ruins Great sword description says it’s a fragment of ruins that fell from the sky. The fragments fell when a meteorite (Metyr) hit the ruins (Farum Azula) and imbued the fragment with its power, that power being a gravitational wave of destruction, and as you described in this video, Metyr might be the source of gravitational magic within the lands between. Not to mention, The Ruins Greatsword has fingerprint formations all over it. If your speculations are true, then that would be some incredible lore for The Ruins Greatsword.
Holy shit!!! Honestly I love this part of making these videos so much, so many things always seem to come together and I love it so much! Thanks for letting me know, awesome stuff dude
Let us all appreciate the level of skill in making the lore in this game. It's so well done that people will spend just as much (if not more) time making, theorizing, watching lore than playing the game! I hope FromSoft NEVER explains everything, that would take away part of the magic of Elden Ring.
Totally agree! I’m blown away at what fromsoftware have accomplished, they’ll definitely go down in history in regards to video games and media
Listen to the sound when u use the flute in the ruins... That fits very well to the corpus of these "tubes". They are just tubes and thanks to the attributes of water metyr does not need ears to notice the waves
The way I see it is that Metyr was the FIRST vassal of the Greater Will seeing as the item descriptions only ever say she was sent by the Greater Will and was later cut off, but the way I see it is she was not only cut off, but replaced by the Elden Beast after she was wounded (possibly by the fingerslayer blade) and unable to produce more two fingers. Metyr was abandoned after her usefulness ran dry, but The Greater Will still comunes with the world, just through its newer vassal, the Elden Beast.
This is honestly a great take!!! I’m a little confused though I won’t lie, where does it state about her inability to give birth to new fingers?
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Thank you!
But it’s more implied by her wounds, her being “broken and abandoned” and the way she spawns imperfect fingers (fingercreepers). Her brokenness has to do with her being useless to the Greater Will somehow.
I could even go a little more unhinged with the theorizing and say her last “true” fingers she spawned was the Three Fingers and that *really* invoked the ire of the Greater Will
@pizzaluvah198 you’re welcome! Thank you for explaining further I get you now!!! I had totally missed the broken part of her items, which is totally on me, thank you for explaining and I totally agree/love what you’re theorising!
Another thing linking Metyr to the arrival of these alien lifeforms is the crash site of a fallingstar beast right beside the finger ruins in the hinterlands. The delivery of Metyr to earth via a shooting star could have somehow opened up a sort of weak point that allowed other things to follow her in
When it comes to the mention of six fingers, something I immediately thought of is that various characters have six-fingered hands, the first two I think of are Godrick (though they could be grafted) and Rykard, their cutscenes explicitly show their hands
Wait really? That’s such a great find!! I had not noticed that at all, thank you for letting me know!
I think Metyr's great crime was birthing the 3 fingers. This is why the Greater Will ghosted her
That’s actually a good call! Hadn’t thought of it like that!
Her Remembrance says she's the mother of all Two Fingers and Fingercreepers, not the Three Fingers. We don't really know where the Three Fingers came from
@thehippieboy6927 it's easy to assume that much, ergo, fingers are fingers.
@thehippieboy6927 It might not have been her choice. We know Chaos is against the Greater Will. Just like Bayle is a mutant the 3 fingers might have been one also.
@@ZeroFallout1 outer gods only influence people, not cosmic beings, so the frenzied flame could not have done anything to metyr directly. Mutations do not happen randomly in elden ring, changes and incongruences always appear with cause. In bayle’s case, he’s the incarnation of the animalistic crucible that was once bountiful within all life. The ancient dragons as we know them now only made their appearance when they were granted hands and fingers, and with that intelligence.
The three fingers could have very well spawned spontaneously, as would be fitting for a chaotic flame. That would not make much sense in the story of elden ring, though.
We do not know the mechanism for how the two fingers were spawned or how they think. In any case, the three fingers may have been a two fingers defector influenced by people, or it might have defected on its own when finding out about the abandonment by the greater will. Or, perhaps a young two fingers was nurtured by someone like nanaya who wanted chaos to take the world. all seem like god options to me.
seems more like the three fingers are a prison for the frenzied flame.
the Three fingers can not become a lord. perfect place to bury it.
their existence sure as hell is a mystery!
I would like to point out that there are fingers and fingereggs(?) in Midra's Manse, so for me the three fingers were corrpted by the frenzy flame.
Just has the frenzy warm stone item description said, the three fingers are cousins to the two fingers
I feel like Metyr was done dirty. She almost feels like she could have been the final boss if they gave her more love
Oh 100% a grand reveal that it was her all along, then again, I wouldn’t want her to be the final boss with how she is now, she’d definitely need some work as you say!
My theory is that the three finger were corrupted by the Aging Untouchables, if you look at the map the zone where Midra's Manor is, is next to a finger ruins zone, both areas seem to have been connected, but they are now separated by a wall that can be seen perfectly fine from the finger ruins side and from the map. We know from Midra's note that Aging Untouchables can infect other beings with the Frenzied flame. My theory is simple. The three fingers started normal but were infected by Aging Untouchables to be the oracle of the Frenzied flame, either Marica or the Horsent found out and isolated the area with a giant wall closing the connections between the areas. Then they left Midra locked in his manor, and as for the fingers, they locked them in the lands between hoping that nobody found them.
I'm not sure if Metyr plays both sides herself, or whether her offspring were simply corrupted. Think of Marika's children; they're all technically born of the goddess representing the Greater Will, yet many fall to other outer gods like the Formless Mother, the God of Scarlet Rot, the Dark Moon, and the Great Serpent/the Abyssal Serpent. Some even attempt to become gods unto themselves, like Miquella.
It might just be that the mother of fingers was sent ahead to start creating the two(?) fingers to set up lines of communication with the Greater Will and instructions for the living beings in the Lands Between on how to create/enact and worship the Greater Will and eventually the Golden Order.
The fields of fingers and the many stone fingers in her boss arena might simply be failed births. This would explain why there's "single finger" corpses but why we've never seen a grown, living "Single Finger" representing an outer god, or an aspect of one (future DLC or sequels notwithstanding of course).
Considering the Two fingers + Three Fingers make a full hand, and it's clear that the goal of the Three Fingers is to reunite everything in singular formless chaos it stands to reason that once upon a time the aspects that these fingers represent were once a "full hand" - the question is then whether the Greater Will itself was a "full hand" and consciously chose not to represent certain aspects of itself (like frenzy/chaos) or whether that was accidentally or purposefully done by Metyr being unable or unwilling to birth "full hands" and her three-pronged offspring rebelling against the representation of life and order that the Two Fingers embody.
This notion of "Chaos" being refined down to order is also clearly defined in the history of the Lands Between, with the Crucible creating somewhat of a melting pot, an amalgamation of living things. Then when the Erdtree was created, the chaotic beings of the crucible were shunned (the Omen-born and the Misbegotten for instance) and its old institutions were cast aside in favor of the new Golden Order. Certain aspects of "the whole" are cast aside in favor of refinement, and so there might not have been a place for the "Three Fingers" or even the "One Finger" to represent any aspects of the Greater Will anymore.
That might also explain why there's so little living fingers left, and why there's so many apparent "stillbirths" around Metyr. She too is no longer really 'required' by the Greater Will.
Great video!
For future vids I would really appreciate sources/images of item descriptions when they're referenced! It makes it much easier to understand what is written and what is interpreted, and also really cool to see what you're drawing from!
Thanks so much! I’ll definitely try, can’t for the next one as I’m on holiday and I did it in advance!
I think these kinds of boss arenas show what the boss is in control of, or most linked to. Elden beast/erdtree. Metyr/fingers. In the hunters dream there are stone pillars very similar to the elden beast fight. Gerhman/moon presence perpetuating the dream
Ranni: ‘I would not be controlled by that THING’ makes so much more sense after Metyr. She definitely knew all along and I wish the DLC had a bit of dialogue of Ranni discussing this further.
I believe the fingers represented Metyr faith in the greater will since she still was waiting for the greater will to return and her resentment is represented by the three fingers. We know she has resentment from her ash of war. To add to that we she bow it looks like a finger pressing down, this also how the three fingers communicate according to the fingerprint shield. I also believe Metyr was injured by the Nox with the finger slayer blade and fled to her boss arena but not before sending Astel to send them under ground. This would happen before Marika’s ascension to Godhood. Since Ymir claims the fingers and Marika were (misguided?) from the start. I can’t remember the dialogue exactly.
This was a really cool video man, well done I like your sense of humor along with your discoveries/theories. Liked and subscribed 🧙♂️🤙🏼
It was about a month after original elden ring release that i first put gaol and jail together and here we are a month after the dlc release and i am finally putting together metyr and meteor. ty.
You’re welcome dude glad I could help😂
Congrats on the 8k, you’re doing a great job at entertaining us 😊
Thanks so much! That really means the world to me ❤️
Great video. I think that Metyr is not acting out of boredom but rather because she is unsure what to do. She lost the ability to receive messages from the greater will so it seems that she’s trying to fulfill the last message received, to usher in a new age, however she can while waiting for more instructions.
Another banger from Gecko!
Metyr is definitely more important than we think. She’s got her fingers on all the pies, so to speak!
Also, Ranni’s line about not being controlled by “that thing” - I strongly believe she wasn’t talking about the fingers but about Metyr itself. Ranni knew the fingers were just a stand in for Metyr, also had knowledge of forbidden magic / rituals / weapons that have been verified to be able to hurt Metyr and her minions. I bet the Nox went for the womb of the mother of fingers (finger slayer blade), then got taken out by a meteor she summoned… the Elden beast? … Astel?
Anyway there’s more to be discovered about this side of the lore. The fingers are bullshitters and the finger readers also.
Thanks so much! That’s a great theory! Definitely agree with Ranni knowing about Metyr, that would be awesome!
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So you're saying Metyr is Miyazaki??? That's quite a revelation lol
CONFIRMED 🗣️🗣️
Does Metyr like feet? No? Not Michael Zonky. I don’t make the rules.
Yuri you’re right, if she was Michealangalo zaki she would definitely have feet, but she seems to only have hands…
My personal guess is that there is no playing both sides. It's that three fingers grew disillusioned with their abandonment by the greater will and chose to side with frenzy flame, as to take all the pain away, (they lost purpose and don't want to exist enymore). While two fingers still cling to a hope that greater will might some day return.
love the humor combined with information
Thanks so much! Glad you liked it
I think the one finger represents the time of the gloam eyed queen because if you look at the sigil of the black flame incantation and the godslayer seal it looks like a single finger print and if we assume that was also during the hornsent time it would make sense as a single finger reaching out to the gods
Once I was thinking, that in Metyr's BOSS Arena, the
Things on the Water Sky are The Other Side of the Fingure Structures on the Serfes.
You know Which. Those, that you have to GO and Blow, and Run pass Some Enemies.
Shibriri seems to corrupt and possess. Maybe the 3 fingers were taken and used as the initial contact point for that OG. Potentially different fingers numbers could be analogous to different radio frequencies looking for messages from beyond in slightly different ways.
The rapture emote also mimics the way that metyr looks when she holds the microcosm
Wait does it? Holy shit!!
@@theemeraldgecko310 yeah I was really doing the emote when I was first doing the fight for cool screenshots hahaha I totally forgot that I got it from the two fingers
@MercuryMoore777 awesome find! I had a similar occurrence, hadn’t ever picked up the emote, went to get them for bee role and got the emote leading me down the white rabbits hole lmao
I love it! The Bored God you hit it right on 🎯😂❤💯
Thank you, glad you liked it!!
I love the idea that metyr is tricking everyone and controlling all the fingers but i do think that the elden beast is the genuine vassal of the greater will and is not linked to her, purely because its so different from her. I also do think that, rather than 'playing all sides' the different fingers may represent all sides or factors of the greater will, and metyrs primordial being equalling to all of thise apects. Great video!
Thank you so much!
I honestly do like this theory as well! Do you think its possible after the greater will abandoned Metyr that the elden beast rebelled?
Awesome stuff dude, thank you!!
the finger ruins could also just be the roots that go into the metyr boss room, plus assuming that the golden erd trees in the elden beast boss fight room are wooden, why would they have a stone-like structure beneath the water if they're wood? if you go to the deep root depths you can see the roots from (assuming) minor erdtrees, and the erdtree itself which look brown and dead, and those don't look like stone, although your idea isn't far-fetched since both boss rooms are all water.
I think the salient detail we're given is that the Gazing Finger's L2 is called "Kowtower's Resentment."
Metyr, the Greater Will's magnificently gleaming firstborn, stands abandoned. The vision has been entrusted to another vessel, a new favored child, and now she is meant to bow? She's not bored, she's furious.
Don't forget you injure your "One Finger" to gain access to the blood grounds where you encounter the hornsent. Sounds to me like the blood mother is that first finger
metyr is straight out of bloodborne-s great ones, i love it . also in terms of power scaling for bosses metyr is possible the most powerful thing we face, or Elden beast, they are interchangeable.
8:05 We also have the 5 fingers which the Beastmen worshipped. 5 fingers is what gave them civilisation under the order of the dragons. Placidussax was probably a lord of 5 fingers as his yellow flame combines the fire damage of a frenzied flame without the madness and is not holy damage yellow flame like the elden beast. There also the the Cincedia knife which features a 5-finger desighn.
9:26 Metyr definetly has some tie to the crucible it's seen in her spiral tail. Spirals are a crucible faith thing.
I do think something is missing though. Metyr's desighn lacks any 3 finger bits. She has finger prints which only the 3 fingers have and 2 fingers & creepers don't though.
Metyr also lacks any grab attack like the finger creepers have or any holy or flame attacks. Instead she uses gravity attacks and microcosms. She also does not use any nail-based attacks and her 'fingers' lack nails when in the Raught ruins we find fingers with nails and an entire school of magic based around nails. The only practitioners of nail-magic being:
Ymir
Lampreymen
Wizards in Catacombs
I have a hard time wrapping my head around the entire full school of Fingers:
3 fingers - yellow fire + madness - bring all things together (pure equality)
2 fingers - holy fire + holy, order - make all things subservient (chierarchy of purity?)
5 fingers - yellow fire, beastman incantations - uplift lesser beings into civilisation (equality, through unity?)
Crucible - no fire, only Holy, spiral incantations - manifest traits of what was split - (chierchy of unity)
Finger creepers - weak to fire??? - grab attacks, healing - unnatural mix?
Nails - magic, white not blue magic, attack always indirectly, bounce either in air or from ground
Metyr - magic, gravity magic - theme birth & creation ?????
Then we also from the Sword of Light and Darkness we know that the Crucible was a source of light as opposed to the finger ruins which were a source darkness.
It kinda seems to me like what the fingers are and what the crucible is were two separate entities and conzepts somehow brought together by Merika's heresy and ascenssion to godhood. For example it's implied with the Church of the Bud that Scarlet Lot was part of the Crucible cult at some point.
Great video m8! Perhaps the fingers on a.. well.. finger denote its intelligence. 1 is too dumb, hence ot worth pursuing. 2 is just right, 3 gives them too much free reign hence why they could align with the God of Frenzied Flame. This line of thinking would also work with there being finger creepers, which are indeed composed of multiple fingers yet far smaller than any 1,2 or 3 fingers so maybe they are more like worker ants instead of "envoys". I mean finger ruins needed to be built somehow. Or who knows, maybe Miyazaki really enjoyed Euron Greyjoy's line "A finger in the bum!" from GoT since he did work with GRR Martin xD
Cheers dude!!!
Don’t forget that the crucible and the horn scent both revere spiral shapes, and the back of the mother of fingers is a spiral
Wait does she? I don’t have access the camera mod so I haven’t been able to see, if that’s the case that’s massive!!
I'm kind of surprised that ever since the DLC dropped, nobody talks about how it might recontextualize the item description of the Blasphemous Claw.
A little detail that adds to your theory: The Scadutree completely grows out of the ocean, which would be impossible for a normal tree, so the golden erdtrees or whatever you want to call them in Elden Beast arena could also be sprouting from water. Maybe they are not even trees in a conventional sense and dont need any roots.
Wow!!! I had totally missed this thank you so much for letting me know!!!
I like to think of the “one finger” as representative of the Tarnished. We use single fingers to write messages for other Tarnished, to invade and help others.
How this manifests lore-wise I don’t really know, but thematically the Tarnished puts a finger into every pie, we use fingers as the primary tool to communicate between the dimensions that I believe didn’t begin to happen until the Shattering.
Marika’s plan for the Tarnished wasn’t a “chosen one”, but chosen millions. Shattering the world so that multiple timelines are occurring simultaneously was intentional. The Tarnished can do it alone, but there is an opportunity through the fingers to team up with other Tarnished.
How this relates to Metyr or Marika is open to a lot of interesting speculation, but the one finger as allegory for the Tarnished as an individual player and as a caste to me is clear.
The Tarnished is the mutant sixth finger. I like that idea.
There is a lot here. I can't say I'm on board with a lot of it. But I hope you will hear me out. I don't think the tubes are connected to the trees. I think they connect to the fingers in the ruins above. If they serve any purpose they are likely a PA system for Metyr to communicate with other fingers. (Messages vibrate in her chamber, up the tubes and out into the air for two fingers to detect.) That's just a guess because we have no way of knowing what they do, but we know they aren't near the Erdtree.
Though Metyr was eventually abandoned by the Greater will it doesn't mean the Elden Beast wasn't sent by it. Think of it as an invasion. Metyr is the scout she establishes the beach head. Then when things are good, she radios home for the next phase to start (sending the Elden Beast). Metyr though a daughter of the Greater Will, is not a god. When she dies it's only a "Legend Felled" while the Elden Beast does trigger "God Slain."
Interestingly, she also was likely not responsible for the 3 Fingers. In Midra's Manse under the tarps, are the corpses of Fingers and Finger eggs. This leads me to believe the 3 fingers were created in the Manse, thus their singular nature, as far as we are aware.
8:43 the Hornsent Divine Gate also predates Marika. Hornsent culture was Polytheistic. They had many gods just look at the Tutelary deities alone. The system of elevating gods was already part of their tradition. As a matter of fact, these gods I believe were the target of the Gloam-Eyed Queen's godskin hunts (if she was Melina then this tracks that Marika used Melina and Messmer to wipe out Crucible Culture's power and then tossed them both away.)
9:28 the creation of the Elden Ring predates the Golden Order. The Elden Ring existed in the time of Placidusax, long before the Erdtree, before Marika, before Belurat. To circle back the Golden Order was created in the wake of Messmer's crusade, post Godfrey banishing. The founding moments of the Golden Order are Marika declaring herself the one and only god (GEQ's Godskin hunt completed and Messmer has sealed the tower so no new gods may arise theoretically) and the removal of Destined Death from the Elden Ring. Unfortunately, it doesn't really line up with your timeline.
My thoughts on metyr was one of two conclusions: She was wounded by the finger slayer blade by the Nox, Or The Birth of the Three fingers is what damaged metyr, with how her "birthing spots" seemed to have burns
Hello Guys, one questions i dont have the strenght for the Turtleshell Shield.
But is the stamina boost on without the strenght? Or i need the full 14 Points the have the bonus
I honestly don’t know, but I’ve seen people use the jelly fish shield and get the effects from that so I imagine! I can’t test it as I’m on holiday, but you should be able to tell by a debuff in the top left near you’re health bar with it equipped:)
Thank you very much :) the bar in left should Tell me, i will watch in the next Fight :)
@Philip-y4s good luck dude! Hope it goes well!
There is a falling star beast near the second finger ruins, it supports the theory about connecting of Metyr with astels.
Oh shit!!! I had forgot about that!!! Good shout!
Have you noticed that ranni’s church at the moon alter is exactly like the church above metyr
This has honestly just blew my mind… as soon as I’m off holiday I’m going to check this out! Thank you so much for letting me know about this!
@@theemeraldgecko310 even the names are the same they both have fingers under them
Regarding her motive, maybe the three finger like structures growing out of the water in her arena could symbolize a growing want to burn away life instead of preserving it? In turn maybe growing frustration about being left alone by the Outer Will without guidance for so long
I think that metyr got stabbed by the nox and then abandoned then rebel doing the tree fingers... the melt all way and destroy every possible knowledge that could dmg a God or Divinity
I’d not say matyr is higher in power or whatever that the elden beast. Because. If you send your general to a new planet to conquer. Wouldn’t you send a scout first? To inspect the lands you’re to take over? Or maybe make the planet conform to your ideas of power before you even send he general to take command? I think the beast is the mold that took over the world. But the mother was merely a scout charged with swaying the populous into obeying the greater will before it’s primary herald arrives! But the video is super cool well thought out!
Marika's position on the cross is definitely reminiscent of Crucification. Especially the spear through her.
However, Odin was not crucified in the same manner as Jesus was. Odin hung himself with a noose from the boughs of Yggdrasil, sacrificing himself, unto himself with his spear Gungnir in his side.
All three of these depictions share many similarities, but the difference with Odin was the noose, which made him the Lord of the Hanged, or the Hanged One. This process allowed him to discover the secrets of the Runes, which are somewhat different to Elden Ring's Runes.
great observations about the arena, I think if Metyr was consciously fomenting the Three Fingers, this is actually still in line with her yearning for the Greater Will. The Frenzied Flame wants to return all to the One Great, so maybe the Three Fingers are a last resort if no god or lord can realign the world with the Greater Will again
Thanks so much!!! Yeah you’re right!! Thinking about it now they both still do line up!
While I do agree Metyr and the Elden Beast are related or parallels in some way, idk about tubes being the roots of the Erdtree’s
4:45 I agree with you in a sense, but there’s a bigger reason at play. I believe the message Metyr received from the “Greater Will” was a one time thing and it was the act of creation, or ordering chaos. She uses this knowledge as a weapon in her microcosm, which if were blown up by one order of magnitude would equal our current reality. It’s a hard thing to really describe, but it could explain why the GW doesn’t really seem to care what Order there is as long as there’s something, and why the Two FIngers are stuck on repeat preaching about Order. If you just think of ‘creation’ as synonymous with ‘order’, it makes some sense. All these concepts would reflect the hermetic traditions in a way and it’s been apparent since the base game that Elden Ring’s creation myth is representative of hermetic beliefs.
I think the map is actually twisted in comparison to the original map, with the three Finger ruins (shaped like fingers) point to a central point on the map, that point being where the Erdtree was planted. (Remember the items they give when you ring the bells)
My theory is that the map needs to rotate about 90 degrees and have the finger ruins point ''up'' to match the map, since it puts jagged peak between the mountain tops and caelid instead of inside caelid. But this would displace the Scadutree, so I need to think about this more.
I think the 1 fingers were at best early attempts or rejected fingers. It's possible fingers were being born with 3 fingers and one getting removed after mishap with the very first 3 fingers taking favor into chaos with Its extra ability to function as a fuller hand, and it may have been rejected from the start.
The Gazing Finger weapon may have some sort of connection to this supposed “One Finger” what it’d represent or mean I’m not too sure however definitely a potential connection.
Beautiful buoyant buffing praaaaaaaaaaawns!
I hope you do a theory that Marika was indeed jarred because the elden beast has all aspects of every creature, as does marika when she has her children. Theory maybe?
Elden Beast doesn’t have aspects of every creature what are you talking about? And Marika was literally the only shaman NOT to be put in a jar.
They always say not to shoot the messenger, and that’s why I brought this oversized, God-Slaying armament to beat it with.
A gun has to be reloaded, a god slaying blade doesn’t 😋
Nice theory, Metyr is my favorite boss fight of the dlc. I also viewed the Golden Order simulator to Christianity when I first played.
Thank you so much! Totally get that!
Metyr and the quest and lore around it are my favorite in the DLC. I think Marika definitely got duped as implied in the quest.
Agreed! Honestly! it was such a good quest!!!
Great video!
Thanks so much!!
Chaos is not a pit it is a ladder -Littlefinger
Legendary quote 🗣️🗣️
Although the water in the sky of Metyr's arena does innitialy feels like it should connect to Elden Beast's arena like in Bloodborne's nightmares, I don't think the structures coming from the sky in Metyr's arena looks like the bottom of the golden trees in Elden Beast's.
For me, they look like the bottom part of the Finger Ruins in the DLC. Which, not only have plenty of "one fingers" growing like you find in Metyr's arena ground, but also the tube-like structures in the sky of the arena looks like from where the sound of someone blowing the "hanging bells" in the ruins would come out, and Metyr would hear the call and, I dunno, "wake up" after hearing it three times.
I suspect if the one finger isn't a broken two-finger statue then it might be related to invasion items being a single finger.
Can you imagine it’s actually the ripped off finger of different fingers and it mutated. Kind of like how if a finger gets ripped off it can be used for invasions?
It's just a random thought. But I was playing Bloodborn again after some time and was chilling in the hunters dream when I realized the surrounding/background of the place, it reminded me of the final boss arena having tree like pillars/structure ls coming from somewhere to somewhere. Just a random connection thought could be something there
The single finger is a base game weapon as well.
I think I missed this? Where is this? :)
Love the video. Idk about how strongly I agree with the specific theories, but I like a lot of the ideas you put out there, especially the Norse mythology connection which I've not seen brought up too much. Between the runes, giant tree, gods using identities to manipulate others and the prevalence of dragons and giants there are probably some inspirations that could help explain stuff.
Idk about Metyr messing with people due to boredom but I do wonder if maybe she acts to spite the greater will. We do know the Elden Beast went to intervene when Marika went to shatter the ring, hence why she's imprisoned within the tree, but it's hard to say exactly when they were sent or why. I reckon Metyr has been trying to ruin the order of the greater will through influencing people via the two fingers and supplanting herself as if she were the outer god. Maybe she considered the frenzy route via the three fingers but sealed them away after she discovered it's more convinient to manipulate...kind of like Marika with Messmer now that I think about it
Thank you so much! 100% agree, awhile back I translated the map obelisks which are chocked full of basically every futhark language, Norse mythology is definitely in fromsoftwares mind!!
I actually think that’s really plausible as well, makes a lot of sense!!!
Another great video 👍🏻 so awesome
Thanks so much!!
Divinity's Gate looks like 2 fingers. Metyr's fingers hold a microcosm. A microcosm being a RECREATION of what is real. Radahn was recreated. Marika changed the script at the last second...once the tower was completed she "contacted" and brought down the Elden Star to fall in the hinter lands.
Maybe the Onyx lords were just unlucky inhabitants that were too close when she crashed into the lands? And she unwittingly caused them to evolve into the Lord's. Just another idea.
I highly doubt Mety wants the Frenzy Flame to burn everything.
If the Three Fingers are related to her I think they have broken off and are doing their own thing.
There isn't anything in the game that connects Metyr with Frenzy and we have a lot for the Three Fingers that seems like they aren't in sync with any other Finger type.
1 finger = single being will.
2 fingers = single being will + god - hence “greater will” and the guidance.
3 fingers = the mixture of all, the single being will + god + the primordial order or whatever - hence the “return” to the whatever it is Heita says.
Everything in the universe seeks equilibrium, bringing everything to that primordial order could be that equilibrium
Love these ideas! Awesome stuff!!
One thing I feel that you forgot to mention with the onyx lords is their strange tattoos. I feel like they quite heavily resemble the cipher on the book of the two fingers spells
I hadn’t noticed that!!! I think you’re onto something!
Interesting thoughts! Maybe she once sided with the two fingers but after getting harmed by the finger slayer blade loser her ability to produce complete fingers then she swapped to the three fingers wanting it to all burn down. Maybe idk.