I had to sawzall my deadbolt

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  • A fancy mortise door lock failed shut. The only way I knew to get it out was to cut the deadbolt!
    But once I had the lock out and disassembled it, I realized there would have been an easier way.

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  • @blahhotel1499
    @blahhotel1499 3 ปีที่แล้ว +414

    Locksmith here that works on a lot of door repairs.
    Those multipoint locking systems, whether it by commercial or residential, are the bain of my existence. They are usually custom fit for that door, thus making them impossible to replace. They always break quickly (relatively speaking. A good residential lock should last 15-25 years, those systems rarely see past 10). And as you said, to retro fit something else onto the door makes it look terrible and would cost far too much, thus making it better to just replace the door.
    Multipoint systems are made to exist in perfect conditions. If there is any amount of rubbing, they will break quickly.
    Great video as well!

    • @matthiasrandomstuff2221
      @matthiasrandomstuff2221  3 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      thanks! yes, from the machining marks, this came with the door and frame as a set.

    • @milesparris4045
      @milesparris4045 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I'm sure the main reason for those locks failing is partly because of their complexity, partly from not being very robustly built, and partly from people pushing hard down on the handle to unlock the deadbolt in one move and heavily stressing all those parts. Otherwise, I like the security they provide - it's unlikely someone will be kicking that door in.

    • @Shyid
      @Shyid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +80

      I just cant wrap my head around the choice to put such a complicated and strong lock on a door with a full size window. As in, if someone who was determined enough to get into that house by trying to overpower a normal deadbolt wouldn't then resort to breaking the glass?

    • @blahhotel1499
      @blahhotel1499 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@Shyid the reason they do it is because they are expensive (at least they are in Canada). Only the rich have them, and thus you can charge them more for their already custom door. "you can have a standard deadbolt, ooooorrr you can have this more unique, fancy and *expensive* lock instead" thats why. I haven't worked on one without a full view glass window. As for security, even if there wasn't a full view glass, the bolts are smaller on that model, they would give a minor amount of additional security.
      (on a side not, i have worked on one with full view laminated blast glass. It had 8 locking points with a high security core, meaning no one was getting through. And it was residential, they guy was just paranoid i guess.)

    • @willyshopdotcom
      @willyshopdotcom 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@Shyid My guess would be for the sake of a better seal with the weatherstripping.

  • @tonybaggett1984
    @tonybaggett1984 3 ปีที่แล้ว +435

    The world’s most secure lock on the world’s most insecure door.

    • @Scoots1994
      @Scoots1994 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      I always find it funny when people put extra bolts on glass doors, or on houses with windows that are not plainly visible to others. Security theater.

    • @genebruce6321
      @genebruce6321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yep. Very expensive and very silly. I have doors with half-windows in them - so I use double-cylinder locks. You have to have a key even inside. Break glass, still can't open door. Slow down the thief at least a little.

    • @ramosel
      @ramosel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@genebruce6321 In some locales, those are illegal on entry doors. They don't want you searching of fumbling with a key to get out in the event of a fire.

    • @bushmaster2936
      @bushmaster2936 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@genebruce6321 Half your door is glass, why wouldn't they just go through the glass opening in the first place? Better add more locks to the rest of your door that isn't glass !! LMAO

    • @natalieisagirlnow
      @natalieisagirlnow 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@genebruce6321 what you describe is paranoid and silly

  • @jimez86
    @jimez86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +272

    This is the Lock Sawing Carpenter and today we will be sawing a jammed mortenson door lock currently preventing me from leaving my home.

    • @MrTridac
      @MrTridac 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      First bolt is loose, second is binding, little crack on the third one ...

    • @nisterror
      @nisterror 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      haha that's hilarious

    • @EnUsUserScreenname
      @EnUsUserScreenname 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Small click from the handle
      Saw blade is binding

    • @caseythimm5522
      @caseythimm5522 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Let's try that again just to show it's not a fluke..

    • @karenstein8261
      @karenstein8261 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Using this special tool Bricklayer Bill and I invented ....

  • @maxn9686
    @maxn9686 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Interesting, I never thought to drill out a smaller hole for saw dust to escape from the hole saw cut, you learn something new every day 👍🏻

  • @khiggins8733
    @khiggins8733 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I am a European Locksmith and work with these locks all the time. Firstly to open a failed multipoint lock like this on a wooden door is not difficult.
    Firstly the lock mechanism has to be identified which can be done by measuring the dimensions between bolt and latch and the the details around the spindle hole and euro hole. Once identified the full plate handle will allow you to drill to access the linkage points to withdraw the bolts the full length of the door. The full plate allows the hole to be covered. The gearcases can be bought separately. This one looks very similar to the old style GU gearcase ( German) . Replacing the multipoint lock with a standard American style deadbolt is a retrograde step as the multipoint lock adds to security and keeps the door from bowing. You will see much more of these mechanisms in North American in the years to come.
    To open this failed lock and replace the gearcase would be somewhere between 190-300 Euro

    • @westernlocksmith5474
      @westernlocksmith5474 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      wanted to document the drill points for future reference every time I opened the door but never did it since I don't run into it that often. I'll start doing it and share it online.

  • @GGov86
    @GGov86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +131

    Given Matthias's frugality, I bet the alarm system in his house consists of just that sticker.

    • @jstreutker
      @jstreutker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Shhhh!

    • @CallumWK
      @CallumWK 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I mean you can litlery see the door contact at the top ;)

    • @mickleman52
      @mickleman52 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      a sticker that came with the house

    • @Bluuplanet
      @Bluuplanet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think the deciding factor was: Less Metal-- More Wood.

    • @JOSEPH-vs2gc
      @JOSEPH-vs2gc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      it consists of an old baby monitor hooked up to the glass door - wired to his bedroom, so he can hear the glass break when a burgler comes in at a certain decibel. Mathias has no guns, to he has a cricket bat he glued together out of an old sofa he stole out of somebodies front yard.

  • @donfillenworth1721
    @donfillenworth1721 3 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Cheap alternative: use the window as a door.

    • @rickcimino743
      @rickcimino743 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      as soon as I saw him step out of that window that was my exact thought too

    • @khl619
      @khl619 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      costanza approves.

  • @TwoScoopsOfTubert
    @TwoScoopsOfTubert 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    As a handyman/reno guy I'm in exactly the boat you mentioned - no one wants to pay for the fix, especially when it will end up looking unfinished so I always end up replacing the door completely. But in my own home I'm happy to have some unfinished-looking parts for a while until I get around to painting/staining

    • @roccit
      @roccit 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Plus one for the handy man/woman! Always there to save the day!

    • @milesparris4045
      @milesparris4045 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Given how much time he spent just getting the door open without tearing it up, it certainly would be cheaper for the customer to just destroy and replace the door.

    • @s0nnyburnett
      @s0nnyburnett 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      We all know the last step never happens and it remains unpainted until you move out or die.

    • @ckm-mkc
      @ckm-mkc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think that with a little more work, you could make it look much, much better, but it is likely not worth the time.

  • @davidburlingame2421
    @davidburlingame2421 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm a locksmith and we charge big bucks to repair this style of door. Often the wood on the door is too narrow to facilitate retro-fitting standard lock hardware as you did so, we have to custom order parts. Glad to see your cost-friendly solution worked. Thanks for sharing! :)

    • @jum5238
      @jum5238 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He'll be sending you a bill for advisory services. :-)

  • @LoganLoggingOn
    @LoganLoggingOn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    “ it doesn’t look like new, but it will have to do.” Idk why but I love that!

  • @Saavik256
    @Saavik256 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So glad to see proper door handles. None of that door knob rubbish.

  • @FriggOff361
    @FriggOff361 3 ปีที่แล้ว +233

    Wow so many ways to secure that door! Yet a 2 inch stone would open it the fastest

    • @myopinion69420
      @myopinion69420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      exactly why i dont spend big on locks, just go up from the cheap crap to something that will last and don't worry if its 'pick proof', if someone wants to get in, the window is right beside the door. yes it will be a bit louder, but nobody is going to call the cops in this day and age because the hear some glass break in the middle of the night.
      there are ways to get around the loud too. that 'contact' that you put on school books work...

    •  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Jp and louder

    •  3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@myopinion69420 in the middle of the night? Break in's happen mostly afternoons and evenings

    • @animationcreations42
      @animationcreations42 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Assuming it's a double glazed strengthened pane, like they have to be here in the UK, then they're a lot harder to break than you'd think.
      A 2 inch stone would just bounce. Even if it did manage to break the glass, you'd have to then do it all again for the interior pane.

    • @shannonlove4328
      @shannonlove4328 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It might be a door intended for deterring bears. Bears exert a broad force in doors which pushes out a single bolt. Glass won’t crack under such an attack and distributing the force across several bolts at multiple angles as a better chance of defeating it.

  • @monsieurlee
    @monsieurlee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So glad you did the "A whole lotta updates" video on your main channel so now I know this one exists!

  • @rpavlik1
    @rpavlik1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Aside from the big pane of glass, that's one very sturdy door and latch!

  • @zajacmotorsports5910
    @zajacmotorsports5910 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Had a similar failure with a pella casement window. I was able to finally get the parts from pella, they have way more than they list online but they try to force you to go through a authorized repair person. Lots of phone calls, sending pictures, etc... You saved yourself well over $1k though, my latch set was $400 and I had to bust apart the casement to replace it. They would probably want much more for that lock assembly.

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Companies doing that are extremely annoying to professionals not closely partnered with the brand. As an Engineer I have a personal shitlist of famous companies that have proven themselves unworthy of participation in honest commerce, thus I search far and wide for alternative suppliers whenever something needs repair or replacement.

    • @ethelryan257
      @ethelryan257 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johndododoe1411 Yes! This! It's one reason my brother won't work with Trane and I discourage my customers from using Pela and Master Craft (talk about the two poles of quality, both with awful service).

  • @SeanHodgins
    @SeanHodgins 3 ปีที่แล้ว +177

    That's a bad failure mode.

    • @MazeFrame
      @MazeFrame 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      At least it failed in a "door closed" and not a "free for all" state.

    • @alant84
      @alant84 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@MazeFrame that might be good for stopping burglars, not so good for escaping if there’s a fire.

    • @yuGtahT
      @yuGtahT 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@alant84 it's a _glass_ door

    • @reidflemingworldstoughestm1394
      @reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ikr... fire, flood... sometimes people really need to get out of the house

    • @gregscott4479
      @gregscott4479 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Because he diodn't know what he is doing ... i've seen this a bunch of times and it would only take 5-10 min at most to fix this

  • @bigscreenbird8198
    @bigscreenbird8198 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh as soon as I saw the square hole I knew it was a multipoint lock set. Our company uses a lot of those and I could’ve had this door open within 10 minutes with no cutting. Ours is similar but different because the manufacturer we use has a fail safe built in for cases if this scenario ever happens. Great video again!

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The square hole for the door handle is standard across Europe, it's not specific to 4 point locks. In fact it is used on the most basic single point latch only locks. That internal mechanism failure seems highly brand or model specific, as not all similar locks will include that part.

  • @mikemichelizzi2023
    @mikemichelizzi2023 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just had to replace a mortise lock on a sliding door at my house. Luckily it failed in the unlocked state, so I didn't have nearly as much trouble as you. Thanks for sharing!

  • @offspringer100
    @offspringer100 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    nicely done! Nice that you are fixing things. THings get more pretty when you see that someone took the time to repair. (At least for me) Plus you did such a dedicated repair job with all the plugs that it really could not be better. You can still paint all the door white to cover up if someone does not like to see the plugs. THanks for the part with showing the lock. Locks are amazing :)

  • @terminsane
    @terminsane 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honest Owner: 2 hours of hacksaws and sawzall.
    Criminal Thief: 15 seconds and a brick.

  • @ZenWithKen
    @ZenWithKen 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sometimes, good enough is good enough. Thanks for sharing.

  • @sapelesteve
    @sapelesteve 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always do my own home repairs unless it's to involved. Watching Matthias deal with that lock makes me glad that I don't have one of those on any doors in my house!

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Matthias was certainly making be feel better this video. I was thinking better him than me.

  • @d.lawrencemiller5755
    @d.lawrencemiller5755 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How well you transferred your skills to an unfamiliar problem is impressive. Absolute legend.

  • @simonhopkins3867
    @simonhopkins3867 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    When I worked in a residential care home for adults with learning disabilities and challenging behaviour. I somehow ended up doing maintenance around the house. I dreaded jobs like this! A day going and a manager thinks you haven't done anything.

    • @jstreutker
      @jstreutker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It's the same thing in Information Technology (IT).

    • @ethelryan257
      @ethelryan257 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh, yes. I've had good workers spend enormous amounts of time undoing willful damage before they can even start installing the new equipment.
      We warn the homeowners of the time and cost in advance and they almost always understand. The ones who don't want to pay fair rates for 'demo' work, we don't work for.
      I can do more damage removing old equipment than ever in installing new if I don't know what I'm doing.

    • @cbalan777
      @cbalan777 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Managers. Pff. What do they know? A bunch of overpaid blowhards.

  • @orion7741
    @orion7741 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    that is a serious awesome door!! Love the fact that it is so secure. ALL door should be made like this and lock at multiple spots for security.

  • @kurtstruve
    @kurtstruve 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how you keep in all those little mistakes in your videos, like dropping stuff or screwing something up. I love your videos!!!

  • @rolls_8798
    @rolls_8798 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    damn, I love your little observations

  • @chrishoesing5455
    @chrishoesing5455 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was a locksmith years ago. There is a plate that wraps around the door and provides threaded mortise holes for both latch plates. That's probably what I would have ended up using for the door side at least.
    These patio door locks are potmetal junk though, as you discovered. Vintage mortise locks are mechanically beautiful often times, and I actually convinced customers to allow me to make parts and repair those before rather that using the cover plate.

  • @hdwoodshop
    @hdwoodshop 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used to have a front door with a 100 year old mortise lock. It was a Baldwin. I took it apart at least 10 times to replace a bent part (it was solid brass) beautiful and secure. Other than the bent part worked beautiful. I was amazed at the workmanship. Your lock reminded me of it. Mine has hardened bars in the mortise making cutting it probably impossible.
    Made me sad you had to replace it with basically a closet lock by comparison. I understand your reasons but it was still sad.

  • @ProDMiner
    @ProDMiner 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ya know, I learn something every time I watch your videos. TYSM!

  • @tedspens
    @tedspens 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm happy to see you expanding your skillset to include locksmithing. 😁👍

  • @jrb_sland5066
    @jrb_sland5066 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Well done, Mattias! Don't fuss the cosmetics - I prefer to allow my home to look a little shabby to discourage would-be thieves from discovering the real valuables I have squirreled away inside.

  • @dayswithanton8773
    @dayswithanton8773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    This was the enineering approach, LPL would have used a sodacan or something 🤣

    • @stewartmcmanus3991
      @stewartmcmanus3991 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ....or a cigarette lighter.

    • @winter-survivor
      @winter-survivor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ...and opened it under a minute 😁

    • @buddyclem7328
      @buddyclem7328 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Pin 1, is set, pin 2, is set, pin 3, is binding, pin 4, is binding, pin 5, is set, on to pin 6, and we're through.

    • @bertjesklotepino
      @bertjesklotepino 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "This is the LPL and what i have here, oops. And to show it was not a fluke. Oops again. That's all i have for you today."

  • @FamilyWinn
    @FamilyWinn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    6:51 love the fact you replicated a door handle for your demonstration.

  • @Fekillix
    @Fekillix 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You did a better job than many locksmiths I've worked with. Had one idiot install the Dorma door closer wrong two times, leaving two sets of visible holes in an oiled oak door and frame that was $$$ (it was 2.5*4 meters).

  • @mark314158
    @mark314158 3 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    If you are going to break the lock anyway - always hit the handle with a hammer - it might just open ...

    • @tmmtmm
      @tmmtmm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      or put a cheater bar on it

    • @Yutani_Crayven
      @Yutani_Crayven 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Or it might break some of that wood.

    • @belg4mit
      @belg4mit 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Yutani_Crayven Or you might slip/miss and break the window.

    • @donbot5000
      @donbot5000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Just the impact of doing that can break a window.......trust me lol

    • @sethg9511
      @sethg9511 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah dont do that.

  • @LangdonFan1
    @LangdonFan1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are the king of handyman hero's, this is the best laugh I have had in some time. Don't do it like this 101. But hey its done, its clear you have little concept of what a professional can do.

  • @kevinbyrne4538
    @kevinbyrne4538 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Police: What's your emergency?
    Caller: There's man trying to saw through the back door of my neighbor's house !
    Police: We'll send an officer right over.
    Officer: Okay, buddy, hands behind your back.
    Matthias: But this is MY house !
    Officer: You can explain it down at the station. Let's go.
    TV news anchor: Earlier today this man was arrested while trying to escape from a house that he'd tried to rob. The bungling burglar had locked himself inside. Quick action by police caught him sawing through the door's lock.

  • @selock
    @selock 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    replacement locks are indeed available, (our) average cost to come out to replace these multi point locks usually averages about $600-$700 but requires two trips & a wait of about a week on shipping
    refitting it with normal locks is a valid option aside from the visual issues but the cost would be about the same 🤷‍♂️

    • @matthiasrandomstuff2221
      @matthiasrandomstuff2221  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      wasn't on the manufacturer's website, even under "legacy locks". Didn't feel like chasing after that.

    • @selock
      @selock 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@matthiasrandomstuff2221 right, it probably wouldn’t be as most mfg websites just wanna showcase their latest & greatest locks that can spectacularly fail :) allaboutdoors usually has most brands replacements and in the case of true “discontinued” products there are options that require a bit of modding
      but! You have a way easier to replace option now 😉

    • @westernlocksmith5474
      @westernlocksmith5474 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup! The cost is usually the same in the end so I convince my customers to go with replacement then conversion. 100%

  • @Luckingsworth
    @Luckingsworth 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the same mechanisms on my doors here in the US.
    Mine were stuck in the unlocked position for a year.
    And then finally one day I realised I needed to push the handle down first in order to lock it 😁

  • @kevinmartin7760
    @kevinmartin7760 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You're lucky. Some deadbolts contain loose round pins of hardened steel to prevent attempts to saw through them. Once the saw kerf reaches the pins, they just rotate so the saw teeth can't dig in.
    Which leads to destructive plan B: Cut a chunk out of the jamb, though that would not have helped with those top and bottom bolts.
    That lock seems like way too much security to use in a full glass door flanked by two large windows.

    • @BaronCreel
      @BaronCreel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "That lock seems like way too much security to use in a full glass door flanked by two large windows." Definitely. Even a deadbolt probably isn't needed as long as the angle of the jamb prevents card attacks.

  • @jemo_hack
    @jemo_hack 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love how frugal you are! Awesome!

  • @JonnyDIY
    @JonnyDIY 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great fix Matthias. Don't you just love those "can of worms" jobs? 🤣💕👍

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That door was impressive! 😮
    Great job, Matthias!!!
    Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @charlespatt
    @charlespatt ปีที่แล้ว

    A place i used to work had a huge walk-in vault, it had previously been a wine cellar but was now part storage and part workshop.
    A co worker with some anger problems couldn't get in one day and took a sledge hammer to the old combination mechanism. Of course it is designed to never open if you do that, with large pins in all 4 sides of the door.
    Luckily about a week prior out of sheer curiosity I had taken the door apart from the inside to learn how the whole mechanism worked.
    We needed to have a guy come with a torch to cut a hole in the door so that I could reach in and work blind with my hands backwards to unlock the mechanism which eventually I was able to do.
    It destroyed the door but we did get the use of our workshop again.😂

  • @dpeagles
    @dpeagles 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    You were in a real JAMB there.

  • @sinsilius
    @sinsilius 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    We had the same problem on a very similar or the same lock, so we took a big angle grinder, cut the screws holding door frame to the wall and took whole thing out. Do not remember exactly how, but were able to unlock the mechanism, took the lock apart the same way you did, made replacement parts out of steel to replace those made out of some brittle metal and it works. We were locked out by the way, so we didn't have any access to the lock (european).

  • @treywalker8344
    @treywalker8344 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was a heck of a lock. I was always told "you only lock your doors to keep the honest people out"
    The locking mechanism is cool though.

  • @davidgibson9866
    @davidgibson9866 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always enjoy how you tackle a situation 👍🏻

  • @seshzone7695
    @seshzone7695 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! I've been through a few emergency repairs of doors that refused to open due to winter weather and they were crowbarred open carelessly, was left to fix the damage afterwards. No matter what the design latch and lock repair is A LOT of work!

  • @HangTimeDeluxe
    @HangTimeDeluxe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was interesting. Brute force may have worked, but regardless, you put forth the effort you felt was necessary, and you gained an understanding of the mechanism and how it failed. Perhaps some door handle plates could be used to dress the area around the handles? They come in different materials and finishes. Just an idea. Great video, thanks for sharing!

  • @thomasdoherty6876
    @thomasdoherty6876 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I find with wooden doors/casings when mortice locks fail, you can usually use a couple of flat crow bars/ wrecking bars to bend the casing slightly and allow the mortice out, failing that, a thin cut off wheel in a grinder and a couple of wedges to give clearance. Its amazing how much give wooden doors and casings have.

  • @Sygnalrift
    @Sygnalrift 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a common failure mode for these Pella multipoint locks. I replace many of these with the same issue in my area as well as many other different brands. These are not the worst but not the most robust either in terms of serviceability. Well done.

  • @dwarden3
    @dwarden3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    They make fancy brass plates to cover all that up.

    • @bama95
      @bama95 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      So you are new here...

  • @SteveStrassburg
    @SteveStrassburg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have run into a few of those locks over the years. Locksmith for 35 years, retired. And yes, you can get them open without going through what you did. And, no we don't repair them. There is aftermarket replacements for that lock, but they are not cheap. We mostly saw them on higher end houses that have views and the owner wants all glass on that wall. And another issue, is they make us replace with the same as they don't want the door modified. I think the last one my partner and I did was charged like $800 USD and they didn't even blink an eye.

  • @robotskirts
    @robotskirts 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for always talking through your thinking, plenty good tips there. e.g. carving out a little to land the forstner bit

  • @joethompson11
    @joethompson11 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I learnt a lot from all this, good rescue!

  • @MarkWarbington
    @MarkWarbington 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Boy, did that door pick the wrong TH-camr to mess with. 😜

  • @senatorjosephmccarthy2720
    @senatorjosephmccarthy2720 ปีที่แล้ว

    My door deadbolt lock also stopped working a few weeks ago. I became concerned about breaking the key.I could get into my shop. And plus borrowed a drill, bits and cut wheel. The wheel worked great in cutting the sticking out part off. And that's all it took.
    Had to drill out the bolt hole for the new lock.
    Lesson learned: always carry 5 sticks dynamite in truck.

  • @mtranchi
    @mtranchi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ring... ring... Hello, Lock Picking Lawyer? Yeah, we've got a guy over here taking a sawzall to his door...

  • @philipperostin
    @philipperostin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It's called a four point door, very common in europe, but quiet not here. As you said, from the inside, knowing what part to move, you could have saved it.

    • @gregscott4479
      @gregscott4479 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah 5-10 min at most with disassembly and installing new

  • @wobblysauce
    @wobblysauce 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That said... that was a nice door. It was installed quite well.

  • @CaliberFiftyVideos
    @CaliberFiftyVideos 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hahahah that holesaw sped up sounds like the opera..
    That was a interesting look at custom door security, and recutting holes in doors, thanks!

  • @imajeenyus42
    @imajeenyus42 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Funnily enough, I had a vaguely similar failure in a door last year as well - it had a multipoint lock with a Euro cylinder lock. The little cam thing in the middle of the lock had snapped off and jammed, making it impossible to do anything. It turned out that it's actually surprisingly easy to break Euro locks in half by two people gripping it with pliers on both sides and bending, so fortunately got it out that way, door open, and was able to replace the unit. But again it was just a tiny little part that totally screwed up the whole mechanism. Luckily I've had the mechanism out before so knew roughly what to deal with, but if it was something I'd never seen before, much trickier. Glad you got things working again!

  • @jonorbriancramer3445
    @jonorbriancramer3445 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    locksmith here in CA i've worked on quite a few of these locks and a majority of the other locksmiths just send these jobs my way, there is an easier way to open the door, just requires a hole in a specific area and a rod to pull the bolt inwards from the side of the lock...

    • @westernlocksmith5474
      @westernlocksmith5474 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here. Always thought about drilling a hole but never did. didn't want to drill a new hole but it gets covered by the trim so I guess it doesn't matter. still got it done though.

  • @ErulianADRaghath
    @ErulianADRaghath 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow, I've never seen a wooden door with top and bottom lugs! I've only ever seen them on steel doors back in Asia. I clearly remember our first apartment had a six-lug door, and our most recent high-rise apartment had 12 lugs in addition to the lock itself.

  • @drunkenconspiracy6534
    @drunkenconspiracy6534 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! but was anyone else thinking? a fancy high security lock for a door with a giant window😆🤣

  • @billz.3444
    @billz.3444 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Matthias always knows how to have fun!

  • @TheDefpom
    @TheDefpom 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice repair effort.
    I haven’t seen a lock like that before, so that was very interesting in itself.

  • @aaronvining2336
    @aaronvining2336 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    5:22 literally the sound every dad makes when we drop anything.

  • @TengizAdamashvili
    @TengizAdamashvili 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    good justification, time well spent 👍

  • @karlhiggins6749
    @karlhiggins6749 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Matthias, just a few things to watch out for
    Door will start to twist away from the compression seals on the top and bottom as it’s no longer held against the seals
    So you might have air gaps over time
    What removed was a euro profile Espagnolette multi point lock
    The temperature variation from inside to outside causes the damage over time
    You could put bolts top and bottom but they end up not getting used by other family members or your going to have them complain about it 🤔
    Ps first time comment on your videos but have been a subscriber for years and 💕 your inventions thanks and keep up the good work
    Regards
    Karl
    Many years in the door business

    • @karlhiggins6749
      @karlhiggins6749 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      18957 MINT E-Beschlag
      Are the best I have came across
      And are so reliable Swiss made by Glutz

  • @steamfan7147
    @steamfan7147 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    There are double door lock escutcheon plates that cover up the patches after replacing a full mortise with a barrel lock.

  • @jenkinssthomson8879
    @jenkinssthomson8879 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good point on the managing billable hours with little to show for.

  • @yuxianwang3238
    @yuxianwang3238 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had this type of lock in my bedroom and this is a common lock here in China for different rooms. I’ve been locked in my bedroom twice in a single year. I opened my door with brutal force to the lock body without any damage to the door. I use a pipe wrench to twist the handle and ripped the internal of the lock then the deadbolt come loose.

  • @allencummings7564
    @allencummings7564 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah I'm a home repair guy and that's an astute observation you made there. I don't ever choose to replace anything tho, I just don't make good money and spend forever trying to make it look like new xD

  • @thefack149
    @thefack149 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    That locking mechanism is fantastic, but putting it on a glass door seems silly

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It might be tempered glass. Which is not so easy to break.

    • @tmmtmm
      @tmmtmm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@1pcfred Easily broken by a nail punch and actually less secure because it doesn't make as much noise when it is broken.

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tmmtmm not so easy. Once I saw a guy bounce off a tempered picture window after hitting it with a sledge hammer. It was pretty funny. We were demolishing a mall store space. So it was one of those big store front windows. When tempered does break it sort of explodes. The trick is to clip it on the edge.

    • @Smoth48
      @Smoth48 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a fancy mechanism, but overall it is pretty awful. It has about a million different failure points, all of which are under a ton of pressure every single time you have to actuate the lock. A lot of them even use plastic for several of the key components lol. Any 3-point lock mechanism is the bane of my existence, as a window/door repair tech.

    • @tmmtmm
      @tmmtmm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@1pcfred That's what the nail punch is for. Gotta get all the force on a single point.

  • @VentureSoftCo
    @VentureSoftCo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A spindle sander would of came in handy here for sure 👍

  • @jeffreybell436
    @jeffreybell436 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I can never get my chisels to make that BRBRBRT sound.

    • @godfreypoon5148
      @godfreypoon5148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It just takes practice.

    • @cbalan777
      @cbalan777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Speed up by quadruple.

    • @JDeWittDIY
      @JDeWittDIY 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Full-auto chisels!

  • @Thoracius
    @Thoracius 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    multi-point locks are nice. They help push the door up against the weather seal at the top and the bottom in addition to the middle, so you get a much better seal against air leakage, wind-driven rain, etc.

  • @freewoodencrosses
    @freewoodencrosses 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job, I had to fix my sliding door lock to the deck a month ago, but I did not take a video and now I forgot how I fixed it.

  • @JWimpy
    @JWimpy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I am surprised you were able to cut through the bolts. A lot of those have a free-spinning steel rod inside the bolt that just spins when trying to cut.

    • @DougsterCanada1
      @DougsterCanada1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Spoken like a locksmith, or an experienced person. :)

    • @JWimpy
      @JWimpy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DougsterCanada1 I have done a lot of home repair for a realty company. Renters are always destroying the locksets, as well as everything else.

    • @firesurfer
      @firesurfer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is a patio door. They rarely have security bolts. The multipoint was for rain.

    • @timdouglass9831
      @timdouglass9831 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That was my thought. My deadbolts have a hardened steel rod that spins in the middle, you aren't getting through it with a Sawzall in any reasonable length of time. Maybe with a cut-off disk coming in at an angle. Plus my deadbolts extent almost 3" into the jamb and door-frame. This looks like a couple good kicks and the wood will break away. Not sure how much of an issue it all is in the real world, but...

    • @Engineer9736
      @Engineer9736 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JWimpy LOL 😂

  • @chriswest8376
    @chriswest8376 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like Matthias, my tendency when something breaks is to fix it myself. I have lots of skills and lots of tools. I bought an old house with a small farm about a year ago and I find myself fixing things that were poorly constructed or maintained almost constantly. I have come to the realization that my time is also worth something and there are some pieces of equipment where the intimate knowledge of a full-time tradesman is preferable. I live in the UK and hiring a tradesman has about a 50% chance of a satisfactory outcome, in my recent experience, but on some occasions, it is still best to call a pro.

  • @daw162
    @daw162 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It's funny that there's a lock that secure on a giant glass door with two giant glass windows beside it .

    • @JerodMatlock
      @JerodMatlock 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Aside from security, those multipoint locksets also provide a better air seal against the weather strip

  • @W4TRI
    @W4TRI 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    3:54 Seriously was waiting for the door to go to the Pantarouter! This is smarter though!

    • @jstreutker
      @jstreutker 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or the replacement lock made completely out of wood.

  • @Loranzojose2000
    @Loranzojose2000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Removing and reinstalling the entire door and jamb would only take a couple hours. Done carefully, you could reuse all the trim which would only have to be recaulked and painted.While it’s out of the opening it’s not hard to open up the jamb to get access to the lock mechanism to replace it.

  • @pjseiber2774
    @pjseiber2774 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting video. WOW I've never seen anything like that. 👍

  • @vext001
    @vext001 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The main Lock - without up and down bolts - looks very familiar to me as the size of locks is standard here in europe.
    I had to smile when you said - replace it with standard knob and deadbolt :)

  • @GutterClown
    @GutterClown 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    AU Locksmith here. We do come across these oddball ones where; you've never seen that model AND you've never seen that fault AND you can't buy a spare AND it's a saturday night etc.
    That's where the Knowledge side of the trade gives way to the Wisdom of the trade. Standard methods of observation, consealed destructive entry, and planning for making the best out of bad situation all come into play.
    Having to cut 4 bolts apart is extreme, if you'd paid someone to fix it and that was their solution, I'd be recommending you sought a refund.
    Personally, I would have started determining the source of the bind, then ensuring my drill points were covered by those nice brass handle plates.
    Might have still needed to retrofit the lock for something more serviceable.

  • @ObiwanNekody
    @ObiwanNekody 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Impressive locking setup for a glass door between two huge glass windows. Also there is a tool designed to do that bypass you mentioned.

  • @cujo3097
    @cujo3097 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The last minute of the video is just Matthias justifying his cheapness... love it!

  • @dgrouche1676
    @dgrouche1676 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can buy them they are about $650 Pella doesn't have them on their website but they can still get them. I work for a manufacturer in Canada and just replaced one the other day. That door is a wood door that needs the multi point hardware to help keep it from warping. I hope it is able to stay nice and straight.

  • @_rlb
    @_rlb 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice fix, Matthias. Those locks are very common here in the Netherlands (but the top and bottom pins usually come out the side just like the main bolt). I've had one of those fail simply because of a loose screw. Luckily it was a double patio door so I could just open the other door and fix the broken one. If it was a single door like yours I would have been screwed (pun intended).

  • @Realism91
    @Realism91 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Capital lock Fredericton might have been able to do it if anyone could locally, they are very knowledgeable, I think they have a computer system like a mechanic shop does for fixing cars for locks but I may be wrong. They're on Prospect Street they usually have good prices too.

    • @Realism91
      @Realism91 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think they pick locks also.

  • @electronic7979
    @electronic7979 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Helpful video

  • @firesurfer
    @firesurfer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is a common patio door lock. The reason it's multi-point is the extra height door. A door that height is quite flexible. It's not for security, so much as for keeping the weather out. During a storm it would leak a lot.

  • @Fifury161
    @Fifury161 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:29 - that bit made me laugh - I recall the scene from "Who framed Roger Rabbit" when they are trying to get out of the shackles!

  • @lohikarhu734
    @lohikarhu734 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    BTW, you ought to have a few of the "wind bags" around, they make shirt work of opening up that door 'slotp, and work great for levelling and otherwise adjusting window and door frames, and lifting heavy furniture enough to get a set of wheels under...

  • @1pcfred
    @1pcfred 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should have called the Lock Picking lawyer.

  • @DeweyKentM
    @DeweyKentM 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hearing the sirens in the background once you finally got through made me chuckle.