@@rizkyekaputra9960 That only accounts for "if the unit doesn't already have frost applied to it" and "If it is allowed to tick down for the whole duration." If you get three turns of Frostbite from crystal seeds, which is usual for nonboss units, it does 6+5+4, or 12+11+10. 15 damage versus 33. It's the bosses where it really proves its usefulness by being some real scaling damage. I think NL was making a bigger mistake not putting Spell Weakness on bottom floor and casting spells on a higher floor than that. Also he doesn't seem to care about upgrading his units? He was doing this with his Dante unit last two vids or so. The amount the units change with upgrades is astronomical compared to what spells do. Also he removes train stewards when he's got room to play them still. They basically have consume if you can play them, they're not that bad compared to the ice lances.
@@rizkyekaputra9960 frostbite is just poison from Slay the Spire: it very quickly goes from a square progression to a flat damage per turn. In this game it's even worse because regular units reach the pire after only 3 activations most of the time, as someone else pointed out. Plus frostbite maxes out at 999 which is not that hard to get on bosses that hover outside your train.
Has champion that let's him cast a lot of spells per turn but needs a tank in front Has tank that gets more tankier the more spells you play NL: Wickles Tycoon goes brrrr
to be fair, wickless gets 3 health when something dies and the other guy gets 3 health when you cast a spell, considering he was almost always killing at least 2 guys with 1 spell it was the right move
@@joker13265 I think he meant that time near the end where he needed a tank and had the choice between Wickless Tycoon(the one that harvests gold, not the Baron) and the Shark and he imemdiately summoned the Tycoon because reasons. As a small point in Eggs favour, the Tycoon has more base hp and even the shark would've been dead on turn 2 anyway.
Hey NL, some specific feedback for you; Your tactic at the end of every episode to ask for a like followed by the line "and if you watched all xx minutes and xx seconds so far I'm going to assume you did" is extremely effective. I almost always hit the like button after that statement. IDK the psychology behind it but it's very motivating. Thanks for the great content as usual!
It's so effective, even if I click off the video when he starts saying it, it plays in my mind and I go "Hang on I left without liking the video" and then I go back to do it.
Those poor stewards, imagine being the crew keeping the train running and some bald guy is just there like "you have no reason to exist". They're just trying their best
I tried to make a super train steward run work the other day. The starter trinket was the multistrike and dmg shield, and I was playing melting remnant with reformer. Still lost.
@@papafade5092 using the artifact as an early advantage is a great idea to get greedy trials done, you just need to end up somewhere besides 4 buffed train stewards as your win condition.
My man still does not understand how burnout works. *Unit has burnout1* Egg: "Let's put it behind 3 other units so it lives longer, and ignore that it burns out after the first turn"
Playing energy morsels for his champion without gorge rather than the lifesteal gorger, and then saying that he benefits the most from it is such an Egg thing.
has the perfect strategy of applying spell weakness with his multi-strike unit and on the floor above use his champion to do a bunch of damage with 0 cost spells, gets the magic power up unit and the incant for armor unit to back up his strategy and then puts his champion on the bottom floor every single time. i love you egg, but i shouted a lot while watching this episode
I think you undervalue the +1 Draw upgrade so hard my dude. If you're playing every card in your hand and end the turn with extra energy frequently, it's usually a sign that you should get more draw. Even if you're using all your energy, it's still a good idea to get more draws. It decreases the chance of getting a bad hand (e.g. drawing too many units when you need spells) and it lets you cycle your deck faster so you get your good cards faster and can use them more during a fight. I hope this doesn't come off as backseating. Just trying to give actionable feedback. Loving this series and thanks for the company.
Yeah i found myself taking energy all the time and never taking draw, and as i played more i took draw or capacity way more often. Definitely the most overlooked of the upgrades
Draw is definitely the best one unless you have a draw engine in your deck/trinkets. Capacity can be worked around with ascend/descend. Energy can be nice to get some bigboy cards out, but draw makes sure your hand isn't trash by giving you more choices. I almost always end up with 1 energy 1 draw and working around the capacity in some way. Some decks i just go pure draw and ignore everything else.
Don't be afraid to build heavy on the 3rd floor, which gives you extra turns to set up. It lets you set up spell weakness units on lower floors, and combo your heavy spell damage on upper floors. Molluscmage should be on upper floors after spell weakness is applied.
Hey! I love the series, thats why I would want to give you some tips: * In your situation in 2nd run, U almost always want to put ur "make spells cheap" unit AFTER spell weakness unit, so u can dump ur heavy hitters onto a horde of units with spell weakness :D * Also; U want ur harvest units in the same floor with sweep units
In this case NL definitely wouldnt have needed to put harvest unit on the same floor as sweeper. Seeing as he was killing most units with spells. Relatively speeking, his sweep unit was not very strong (11x2), definitely not strong enough to finish enough units when compared to the 20~30 X 3 tornado spam. Unless they were on the same floor as champion, but in that case both points are mute. And i do agree with the first tip. It would have been better to have the spell weakness sweeper on a floor below the champion, so entire waves of enemies would all get spell weakness, and then go up to the next floor to be barraged by free tornado spam (with the weakness stacks allowing each instance of tornado damage to finish most units). This would probably require NL taking more tanks to protect sweeper, Especially to deal with the boss.
Also spell discount decks LOVE draw in any form. can unload far more heavily than just 4-5 spells per turn if you get deep offering and upgrade draw. can easily dump like 10 spells by playing out all your 0 cost shit, redraw, then play more out... >.< he really play much better in minion focused classes than in spell focused ones.
Holy fuck this. it's not just for offering cards only it's for decks that can play through an entire hand easily as well. aka heavy spell discount route
Trust me NL, the Train Steward relic is no joke. I won one run where the only minions in my deck were my champion and the train stewards. All of my train stewards were completety buffed with 3 upgrades each. I even did the unthinkable; I copied a train steward at the hellvent (with 1 Multistrike Stone and 2 Largestones)
Tips: While holdover is a pretty strong effect, you don't want too many of them because you basically draw less of your other cards, like units, which you might need. Decide your archetype early, if you want to resummon cards with burnout, you need to let them die early so you can reform them and start stacking up burnout, for the boss. Draffs (10x2/5s with burnout 1) are strong for their versatility, you can use them at the front as a damage shield (since they won't survive anyways) or at the back for 10 damage times 2, and they really start to shine when you reform them. I won a run with 7 of them in my deck once, they are that good. Permafrost is very good on pyrebound cards. Doublestack is very good on daze cards. Level up, the later unlocks are usually pretty powerful, for example the umbra last card is a 200/160 (downside is it takes 6 energy and 6 space).the melting remnant have a card that can solo the game pretty much, called the legion of wax. That's all that comes to mind, really enjoying this series (and pretty much everything on the channel) thanks for the entertainment!
NL at 45:00 you could have, if the spell weakness didn't kill the boss, played molded gotten your champion back and use the spell discount to pog off! Another thing you could incorporate in this combo of Stydigen guard and support wax bois is to use your champion as a tank and let him die and bring the champion back with molded (Works very well with molded having hold over) so you can get the spell discount on the floor you need if you of course have room for it!
So, I have been LOVING the MT series and I have seen NL improving, but here is some tips for Ryan (if he sees this) and you! ⚪ If you have a Harvest unit, always put it in the same floor with Multistrike or Sweep units. This will make sure the most amount of deaths will be happening for Harvest units to take advantage of. ⚪Make sure the floor after the Spell Weakness unit is ready for some spells to be played! To make sure of this, NL could do; ⚫⚫Put Champion after the Spell Weakness unit so he could play most spells and take advantage of spell weakness while doing it. ⚫⚫Put Magic Power Boosting unit after the Spell Weakness unit to hit even heavier ⚫⚫*Notice the synergy between Cheap Spells + Magic Power Boost * ⚫⚫Put your Incant unit in the floor you will be playing most of your spells in. So it gets as much triggers as possible. ⚫⚫*Notice the synergy between Cheap Spells + Incant* ⚪Put your burnout units at the top or the bottom most floor to make sure they are constantly dying so you can constantly bring them back stronger.
Tips! (edited to move spoilers down lol) I think the final battle was definitely winnable, but it was over from the first draw and summon most likely. Icy Cilophyte was the make or break card, even more important than the champion. You could have considered playing around broken anvil and going for draw instead of energy here, but that's just my opinion. Once it was dead, I think that boss was making through no matter what. In addition, playing Guard of the Unnamed on the second floor just to die was no good, and he could have easily replaced the waxy gold baron on floor 1, not to mention only a few minutes prior, you used the last of your gold to give mollusk (your backline) +20hp while Guard boy shed a single tear of neglect. Overall, my big tip would be to not overvalue your champion, and take time to consider what you want your floors to look like in the ideal scenario because you never seemed to come to a consensus on what role each minion in your deck was meant to play, and if you can recover from a worst case scenario like what if you got every card in exactly the wrong order you wanted them.
Also thinks his 40/20 Penumbra can tank a whole floor by itself instead of putting the Crucible Collector in front of it. 20 health is bad for a tank after the first couple battles if it doesn't have some way to protect itself.
First general tip: Draw is generally the strongest pick between Energy, Draw and Capacity. The other two are easier to work around, but having more cards will always help you. Energy is especially weak for most decks (including the one you played here). After you've played your units, your spells should have an average hand cost of 3 or less in most cases, because -1 Cost/Reroll/-1 Cost in the Merchant of Magic is such a reliably good choice. In this case your champion even reduced their cost dramatically. (This is also why the emberdrain cards should be very playable -- with a few spell shop visits and some extra draw, you should be able to play at least three 0-cost cards every turn, so who cares if you have any energy at all?) Second general tip: If at any point you don't remember which version of Seraph you're fighting, mouse over the winged icon in the upper left and check. Until you memorize the different versions of Seraph and can keep them in your head all run, you should probably do that before every card choice. For this version, which eats your spells, you often want to get cheap spells even if they don't have an obvious use, and to keep a few bad spells in your deck. In particular, anything that replaces itself like Sting, and anything that's even an okay effect but comes with natural Consume, like the tomes and potions, is a great pickup. You probably want to favor Draw over Energy as well. Specific tip for the second run: The Tethys that makes damage spells cheaper is definitely a lot trickier to use -- and, frankly, just worse -- than the Tethys that applies Spell Weakness. However, he can win you runs, you just have to look at him differently. He almost always wants to be on the TOP floor, not the bottom. If you have ways to apply spell weakness (as you did here, with the sweep unit that did so), put them on the bottom or second floor. Then, after they've had a chance to apply spell weakness, or just to clear out the riffraff with abilities like sweep, spikes and frostbite, the surviving enemies arrive on the floor with Tethys where you can unload damage spells on them. This cuts down significantly on the randomness of spells like Ice Tornado, because only one or two enemies should reach the top floor.
Realizing spell weakness is really good on relentless but setting it up _after_ your main damage dealing room is some really galaxy brain stuff. Never change NL. (*TｰT)b
Love the runs, but stuff like this really gets to me. To me it just makes so much sense to have Icy Cilophyte on the bottom floor with a tank, then Molluskmage and Tethys on the floor immediately after. Like, stack up Spell Weakness then just hammer away with a high power, zero cost spell followed by more high power, zero cost spells? Why would that not be the play? When the pogs rain, they rain. But when the pogs drain, they draaaaaiiiiiin.
@@tatertot57 To be fair, spell weakness only sticks around for one spell, but yeah I agree that setup usually is better imo. Also I really love having more draw mechanics with spell discount and he kind of ignored that XD
I booted up YT an hour ago looking for a new Monster Train video and was saddened to find that there was none. Luckily, new Isaac, so I watched that instead and had a great time hearing you ramble about lines for 40 minutes. Then, I headed to the channel on the hunt for something else to slake my boredom and saw this and now I'm officially having a great day. I love you, Eggman. Keep up the great work.
Im at covenant 3 but I have this thing where if I lose with a certain primary and allied clan I want to keep doing it until I defeat it. Unfortunately, I chose to do melting remnant and umbra so it has been very difficult lol
1st run: NL is sleeping so hard on the Alloyed Construct. 2nd run: NL designs a deck to do one thing with spells and then decides its better if he casts all his spells before applying spell weakness.
Always pogged for Monster Train! Some general Stygian Guard tips, for if you do them in the next few videos: "Offering" cards + Split Anvil. The "Offering" cards have a cost of 3, and count as being played if discarded, so you not only get the card's effect, but Split Anvil will then make spells in hand that cost 2 or less cost 0. Gifts for a Guard (something like that, forget the exact name) is a really good card, but it requires a thick, spell-heavy deck, so it works well with the final Stygian unlock card (which deals [spells in deck x2] damage, three times). It takes a little bit of caution, but I killed Seraph on the second floor (after applying spell weakness on the first floor) on Covenant Rank 12.
Some additional tips, focus on having a strong front liner. This means that they need a lot of health and preferably incant gain armor or incant apply sap work wonders in increasing their effective hp. This allows you time to heavily stack either spell weakness or frostbite. Also if you can ever get quick on a sweep unit you should do so as it will prevent a lot of incoming damage. From what I've noticed the far in playing Stygian they benefit heavily from being able to superstack 1 floor as you can have multiple units all gain different incant bonuses at once.
At 21:49 you passed on the Legion of Wax. I've never lost a run where I had a Legion and upgraded it. They are just beasts and amazing tanks and damage dealers.
NL, when you're not using a reform deck with melting that unit that applies burnout whenever hit works as a great tank and actually lets your reformed and burnout units survive
I would say it's a good idea to really pay attention to what the final bosses passive is. I feel like you build your deck around what they counter a lot. But i believe in you egg! ✊
Hey NL! Tip for getting better, work on having set unit floor plans. Don’t just play stuff in the order you get it. It’s fine to not play units to leave space for your more efficient units all on one floor. On your second run the ideal floor set up would be Mollusk mage/Champion/Baron/Incant Armour unit all on the first floor. It would provide a strong front line and strong synergy between all units
If I take a shot every time based egg puts an energy morsel on his architect champion instead of his gorger to "buff" him, I will be so pogged out of my mind that the EMT's will have to take me away.
Another one holy! Man you inspired me to start my own youtube channel. The way you grind youtube and the frequency you upload, it is crazy! I make videos only on monster train so when you upload monster train i am the first to watch your video! Keep the good work you are awesome!
Egg, I love the series, but when u had a chance to utilize the umbra champion’s ability to make a super floor with all that extra capacity in that first run and didn’t. That hurt my soul!
Still lovin this series! Stygian Guard is the hardest clan to win with in my limited experience. Still haven't gotten a win with them yet. I feel like the spell stealing version of Seraph makes Stygian Guard even more difficult.
My mom: who's he talking to Me: well, me I guess My mom: oh so you're playing the cards and hes talking? Me: no I mean hes talking to the audience My mom: so how is he playing by himself? I thought Magic was multiplayer Me: it's not Magic, it's a different card game. My mom: is it supposed to be this pogged? I may have taken some creative license
Haven't watched all yet but sweep and slay units are great for quick because they can kill things first and get buffed before other units kill their slay targets or get killed by the small bois
Hey Ryan, you spend too much on purge and spend too little on upgrades. Upgrades are very worth their price and spending money on purge has massively diminished returns.
With StyGuard as Main Clan and a spell deck you really want draw more than anything else. Having a full floor is nice, but no damage is no damage. Having six or seven cars doing 60 -- 100 each is kinda a big thing. But of course it really depends on deck, enemies and boss-condition. Without IceStorm or Helix you better be putting up some frost-units and ice those fools.
Hey nl, if the morsel is something like energy gain there’s no point giving it to your champion instead of your gorge unit. The champion isn’t going to get any specific benefit from it whereas the gorger will
I may have missed an episode if it happened, but it'd be interesting to see an Umbra/Melting Remnant run. It may even be a bad combo, but they both have some kinda interesting things going on that I'd be curious to see together.
If I was a Train Steward I would be very upset about all the anti Train Steward sentiment in these videos. Train Stewards just want to protect the Boneshaker :(
I agree about draw. I usually take either 1 energy 1 draw or 2 draw and ignore capacity with floor moving effects. I only go capacity if I absolutely have to
@@rizkyekaputra9960 You can avoid capacity completely with ascend/descend though. Very rarely do i take capacity. I take it only if i have very good draw/ember engines in my trinkets already, or if i absolutely NEED it for some sort of setup and don't have the ascend / descend effects. Having more choices every turn with draw is always useful
ahhh it hurt me so much how many misplays he made with the spell weakness deck, he should have champ second floor with mollusk mage, spell weakness unit with a tank (tycoon is grey for money) and he would have been fine, the artifacts he got were so perfect and op
Fatty train stewards is incredibly powerful when you get that artifact in the first chest but probably not for Umbra/Awoken. For clans with lots of strong backline having a bunch of health upgraded, damage shield multistrikers is good. Awoken has all the heal boys and Umbra has all the gorge boys that make them less good because you want them up front.
Spell weakness and frostbite decks really want to have huge tanks infront of the weak units that apply those debuffs. So this might have had a chance, had you gone to the mercantile vendor at the end looking for hp ups
NL, if you see the boss is spell focued, then try to prioritize more of a unit based strat, and vice versa. the few wins i've goten have either been do a stat that doesn't care about the final challenge, or ones where i rolled into some OP shit, like you did with those 100/100 units
An attempt was made, and it was as always a good show 👍 (and thanks for not doing the "and I assume you did if you watched all hh:mm:ss of it" bit; for some reason that one always makes me too aware if my own mortality lmao)
Stygian guard seems super weak compared to a lot of the other factions. The heavy spell reliance with little sustainability on floors just doesn’t seem to work when you can almost always get countered and lose just like this.
The absolute disrespect for double stack in these whole series is outstanding.
Doublestack on Frostbite quadrupled its damage potential. I forgot is it him or jrm1ah that did the math
@@rizkyekaputra9960 That only accounts for "if the unit doesn't already have frost applied to it" and "If it is allowed to tick down for the whole duration." If you get three turns of Frostbite from crystal seeds, which is usual for nonboss units, it does 6+5+4, or 12+11+10. 15 damage versus 33. It's the bosses where it really proves its usefulness by being some real scaling damage.
I think NL was making a bigger mistake not putting Spell Weakness on bottom floor and casting spells on a higher floor than that. Also he doesn't seem to care about upgrading his units? He was doing this with his Dante unit last two vids or so. The amount the units change with upgrades is astronomical compared to what spells do. Also he removes train stewards when he's got room to play them still. They basically have consume if you can play them, they're not that bad compared to the ice lances.
@@rizkyekaputra9960 frostbite is just poison from Slay the Spire: it very quickly goes from a square progression to a flat damage per turn.
In this game it's even worse because regular units reach the pire after only 3 activations most of the time, as someone else pointed out.
Plus frostbite maxes out at 999 which is not that hard to get on bosses that hover outside your train.
Has champion that let's him cast a lot of spells per turn but needs a tank in front
Has tank that gets more tankier the more spells you play
NL: Wickles Tycoon goes brrrr
Stonks
to be fair, wickless gets 3 health when something dies and the other guy gets 3 health when you cast a spell, considering he was almost always killing at least 2 guys with 1 spell it was the right move
@@joker13265 The bad move is him taking more than one of those unit. Either Siren or Tycoon.
@@joker13265 I think he meant that time near the end where he needed a tank and had the choice between Wickless Tycoon(the one that harvests gold, not the Baron) and the Shark and he imemdiately summoned the Tycoon because reasons. As a small point in Eggs favour, the Tycoon has more base hp and even the shark would've been dead on turn 2 anyway.
@@joker13265 But couldn't he just have both on the floor with his champ?
Don't get me wrong I'm pogged out of my mind, but come on egg daddy quick on a sweep is divine.
quiet a few bad calls in the first 15 minutes imo.
Edit: oh :D
Damage sheild is straight up trash lmao
@@williammitchell6254 Really only good on the Damage Shield Gorge unit so you can put it up front and not fear having it die before it can scale.
26:56 Playing train stewards to die effectively thins out the deck for that encounter
Hey NL, some specific feedback for you; Your tactic at the end of every episode to ask for a like followed by the line "and if you watched all xx minutes and xx seconds so far I'm going to assume you did" is extremely effective. I almost always hit the like button after that statement. IDK the psychology behind it but it's very motivating. Thanks for the great content as usual!
That is, assuming I already didn't like the video the moment I hear "Eyyy everybody"
It's so effective, even if I click off the video when he starts saying it, it plays in my mind and I go "Hang on I left without liking the video" and then I go back to do it.
@@66Seasons It has an additional knock-on effect for me. If I watch an NL video right after then I'll immediately like the next video too.
For me it's like, hang on, I did actually enjoy this video.
Imagine not smashing that like button as soon as you open the video
NL counting a 20 HP unit as a 'super tank' boggles the mind
Episode 20 of Eggman roasting the Train Stewards, telling them "they have no reason to exist".
Those poor stewards, imagine being the crew keeping the train running and some bald guy is just there like "you have no reason to exist".
They're just trying their best
They need to unionize :P
I tried to make a super train steward run work the other day. The starter trinket was the multistrike and dmg shield, and I was playing melting remnant with reformer. Still lost.
@@papafade5092 using the artifact as an early advantage is a great idea to get greedy trials done, you just need to end up somewhere besides 4 buffed train stewards as your win condition.
@@papafade5092 You gotta upgrade the already super train stewards and you're golden.
NL choosing the +2 capacity penumbra but not using it correctly was honestly both aggravating and funny at the same time
My man still does not understand how burnout works.
*Unit has burnout1*
Egg: "Let's put it behind 3 other units so it lives longer, and ignore that it burns out after the first turn"
Playing energy morsels for his champion without gorge rather than the lifesteal gorger, and then saying that he benefits the most from it is such an Egg thing.
has the perfect strategy of applying spell weakness with his multi-strike unit and on the floor above use his champion to do a bunch of damage with 0 cost spells, gets the magic power up unit and the incant for armor unit to back up his strategy and then puts his champion on the bottom floor every single time. i love you egg, but i shouted a lot while watching this episode
I'm pogged and ready for the Misplay Train, brother.
The way he played that first fight was actually insulting.
I think you undervalue the +1 Draw upgrade so hard my dude. If you're playing every card in your hand and end the turn with extra energy frequently, it's usually a sign that you should get more draw. Even if you're using all your energy, it's still a good idea to get more draws. It decreases the chance of getting a bad hand (e.g. drawing too many units when you need spells) and it lets you cycle your deck faster so you get your good cards faster and can use them more during a fight.
I hope this doesn't come off as backseating. Just trying to give actionable feedback. Loving this series and thanks for the company.
Yeah i found myself taking energy all the time and never taking draw, and as i played more i took draw or capacity way more often. Definitely the most overlooked of the upgrades
Draw is definitely the best one unless you have a draw engine in your deck/trinkets. Capacity can be worked around with ascend/descend. Energy can be nice to get some bigboy cards out, but draw makes sure your hand isn't trash by giving you more choices. I almost always end up with 1 energy 1 draw and working around the capacity in some way. Some decks i just go pure draw and ignore everything else.
Incant triggers an additional time
NL: doEsN't sEEm ReLEvaNt
Don't be afraid to build heavy on the 3rd floor, which gives you extra turns to set up. It lets you set up spell weakness units on lower floors, and combo your heavy spell damage on upper floors. Molluscmage should be on upper floors after spell weakness is applied.
Yep, and so does the champion. Was his logic that he needs to play all his spells before units get hit with spell weakness?
Kate vacuuming is free space on my Monster Train bingo card.
Hey! I love the series, thats why I would want to give you some tips:
* In your situation in 2nd run, U almost always want to put ur "make spells cheap" unit AFTER spell weakness unit, so u can dump ur heavy hitters onto a horde of units with spell weakness :D
* Also; U want ur harvest units in the same floor with sweep units
In this case NL definitely wouldnt have needed to put harvest unit on the same floor as sweeper. Seeing as he was killing most units with spells. Relatively speeking, his sweep unit was not very strong (11x2), definitely not strong enough to finish enough units when compared to the 20~30 X 3 tornado spam. Unless they were on the same floor as champion, but in that case both points are mute.
And i do agree with the first tip. It would have been better to have the spell weakness sweeper on a floor below the champion, so entire waves of enemies would all get spell weakness, and then go up to the next floor to be barraged by free tornado spam (with the weakness stacks allowing each instance of tornado damage to finish most units). This would probably require NL taking more tanks to protect sweeper, Especially to deal with the boss.
Also spell discount decks LOVE draw in any form. can unload far more heavily than just 4-5 spells per turn if you get deep offering and upgrade draw. can easily dump like 10 spells by playing out all your 0 cost shit, redraw, then play more out... >.< he really play much better in minion focused classes than in spell focused ones.
The last time I was this early, NL was playing STS every day. Just starting the run and NL has already cursed himself with the Umbra draw.
Deep offering is one of the Best cards of you Go the spell discount Route. You usually Play all your cards anyway so its just a draw 5
Holy fuck this. it's not just for offering cards only it's for decks that can play through an entire hand easily as well. aka heavy spell discount route
Trust me NL, the Train Steward relic is no joke.
I won one run where the only minions in my deck were my champion and the train stewards.
All of my train stewards were completety buffed with 3 upgrades each.
I even did the unthinkable; I copied a train steward at the hellvent (with 1 Multistrike Stone and 2 Largestones)
Tips:
While holdover is a pretty strong effect, you don't want too many of them because you basically draw less of your other cards, like units, which you might need.
Decide your archetype early, if you want to resummon cards with burnout, you need to let them die early so you can reform them and start stacking up burnout, for the boss.
Draffs (10x2/5s with burnout 1) are strong for their versatility, you can use them at the front as a damage shield (since they won't survive anyways) or at the back for 10 damage times 2, and they really start to shine when you reform them. I won a run with 7 of them in my deck once, they are that good.
Permafrost is very good on pyrebound cards.
Doublestack is very good on daze cards.
Level up, the later unlocks are usually pretty powerful, for example the umbra last card is a 200/160 (downside is it takes 6 energy and 6 space).the melting remnant have a card that can solo the game pretty much, called the legion of wax.
That's all that comes to mind, really enjoying this series (and pretty much everything on the channel) thanks for the entertainment!
NL at 45:00 you could have, if the spell weakness didn't kill the boss, played molded gotten your champion back and use the spell discount to pog off!
Another thing you could incorporate in this combo of Stydigen guard and support wax bois is to use your champion as a tank and let him die and bring the champion back with molded (Works very well with molded having hold over) so you can get the spell discount on the floor you need if you of course have room for it!
So, I have been LOVING the MT series and I have seen NL improving, but here is some tips for Ryan (if he sees this) and you!
⚪ If you have a Harvest unit, always put it in the same floor with Multistrike or Sweep units. This will make sure the most amount of deaths will be happening for Harvest units to take advantage of.
⚪Make sure the floor after the Spell Weakness unit is ready for some spells to be played! To make sure of this, NL could do;
⚫⚫Put Champion after the Spell Weakness unit so he could play most spells and take advantage of spell weakness while doing it.
⚫⚫Put Magic Power Boosting unit after the Spell Weakness unit to hit even heavier
⚫⚫*Notice the synergy between Cheap Spells + Magic Power Boost
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⚫⚫Put your Incant unit in the floor you will be playing most of your spells in. So it gets as much triggers as possible.
⚫⚫*Notice the synergy between Cheap Spells + Incant*
⚪Put your burnout units at the top or the bottom most floor to make sure they are constantly dying so you can constantly bring them back stronger.
Tips! (edited to move spoilers down lol)
I think the final battle was definitely winnable, but it was over from the first draw and summon most likely. Icy Cilophyte was the make or break card, even more important than the champion. You could have considered playing around broken anvil and going for draw instead of energy here, but that's just my opinion. Once it was dead, I think that boss was making through no matter what. In addition, playing Guard of the Unnamed on the second floor just to die was no good, and he could have easily replaced the waxy gold baron on floor 1, not to mention only a few minutes prior, you used the last of your gold to give mollusk (your backline) +20hp while Guard boy shed a single tear of neglect.
Overall, my big tip would be to not overvalue your champion, and take time to consider what you want your floors to look like in the ideal scenario because you never seemed to come to a consensus on what role each minion in your deck was meant to play, and if you can recover from a worst case scenario like what if you got every card in exactly the wrong order you wanted them.
Egg, my man, you *need* to start valuing hp upgrades on your units. Everytime you get to the last 2 floors ur "tanks" gets oneshot most of the time.
I'm still replaying in my mind how he got 25 hp for the molluscmage instead of the shark tank.... Why Egg-man, why!? xD
Also thinks his 40/20 Penumbra can tank a whole floor by itself instead of putting the Crucible Collector in front of it. 20 health is bad for a tank after the first couple battles if it doesn't have some way to protect itself.
First general tip: Draw is generally the strongest pick between Energy, Draw and Capacity. The other two are easier to work around, but having more cards will always help you.
Energy is especially weak for most decks (including the one you played here). After you've played your units, your spells should have an average hand cost of 3 or less in most cases, because -1 Cost/Reroll/-1 Cost in the Merchant of Magic is such a reliably good choice. In this case your champion even reduced their cost dramatically. (This is also why the emberdrain cards should be very playable -- with a few spell shop visits and some extra draw, you should be able to play at least three 0-cost cards every turn, so who cares if you have any energy at all?)
Second general tip: If at any point you don't remember which version of Seraph you're fighting, mouse over the winged icon in the upper left and check. Until you memorize the different versions of Seraph and can keep them in your head all run, you should probably do that before every card choice. For this version, which eats your spells, you often want to get cheap spells even if they don't have an obvious use, and to keep a few bad spells in your deck. In particular, anything that replaces itself like Sting, and anything that's even an okay effect but comes with natural Consume, like the tomes and potions, is a great pickup. You probably want to favor Draw over Energy as well.
Specific tip for the second run: The Tethys that makes damage spells cheaper is definitely a lot trickier to use -- and, frankly, just worse -- than the Tethys that applies Spell Weakness.
However, he can win you runs, you just have to look at him differently. He almost always wants to be on the TOP floor, not the bottom. If you have ways to apply spell weakness (as you did here, with the sweep unit that did so), put them on the bottom or second floor. Then, after they've had a chance to apply spell weakness, or just to clear out the riffraff with abilities like sweep, spikes and frostbite, the surviving enemies arrive on the floor with Tethys where you can unload damage spells on them. This cuts down significantly on the randomness of spells like Ice Tornado, because only one or two enemies should reach the top floor.
Realizing spell weakness is really good on relentless but setting it up _after_ your main damage dealing room is some really galaxy brain stuff.
Never change NL. (*TｰT)b
Love the runs, but stuff like this really gets to me. To me it just makes so much sense to have Icy Cilophyte on the bottom floor with a tank, then Molluskmage and Tethys on the floor immediately after. Like, stack up Spell Weakness then just hammer away with a high power, zero cost spell followed by more high power, zero cost spells? Why would that not be the play? When the pogs rain, they rain. But when the pogs drain, they draaaaaiiiiiin.
@@tatertot57 To be fair, spell weakness only sticks around for one spell, but yeah I agree that setup usually is better imo. Also I really love having more draw mechanics with spell discount and he kind of ignored that XD
Keep up the great work my dude!
He kept playing his champion before his spell weakness monster AND ITS KILLING ME INSIDE
18:50 NL straight up giving the boss regen here is peak acceptance of defeat.
I booted up YT an hour ago looking for a new Monster Train video and was saddened to find that there was none. Luckily, new Isaac, so I watched that instead and had a great time hearing you ramble about lines for 40 minutes. Then, I headed to the channel on the hunt for something else to slake my boredom and saw this and now I'm officially having a great day.
I love you, Eggman. Keep up the great work.
I am thoroughly enjoying watching this series. I bought the game for myself last night because of how great it looks. Thanks NL for great content.
Between today and yesterday, I lowkey want NL to start losing more often so we can get two runs per day.
Generally I agree but I never like dailies in any game, personally. So I hope that doesn't become the go to secondary.
@@SamuraiFoochs what's wrong with them? Dailies in Monster train are pretty good and you don't have to do something weird to get more points.
@@greindes1579 I just prefer randomness. I just dislike curation in rogues. Personal preference.
@@SamuraiFoochs At least it isn't like MMORPG dailies. ugh that shit is awful.
I found myself actually excited when I remembered it was past 1pm
Keep the Monster Train running!
"Two loses at a row" and I'm like stuck at covenant 2 for four days in a row.. 😢
cov three here, for longer than that
Im at covenant 3 but I have this thing where if I lose with a certain primary and allied clan I want to keep doing it until I defeat it. Unfortunately, I chose to do melting remnant and umbra so it has been very difficult lol
Melting remnant and umbra is good as long as you get the harvest option for champ. Reformer basically means you can never play a morsel.
I’m at covenant 6 y’all just suck
Maybe if you watched some actually good players...
Look at that CAPACITY on the second floor! I’ve never seen such a disgusting amount! That’s hilarious.
1st run: NL is sleeping so hard on the Alloyed Construct.
2nd run: NL designs a deck to do one thing with spells and then decides its better if he casts all his spells before applying spell weakness.
When he makes a mistake it always inspires me to launch the game and do the strat that could’ve won him the game
so pretty often then
Always pogged for Monster Train!
Some general Stygian Guard tips, for if you do them in the next few videos:
"Offering" cards + Split Anvil. The "Offering" cards have a cost of 3, and count as being played if discarded, so you not only get the card's effect, but Split Anvil will then make spells in hand that cost 2 or less cost 0.
Gifts for a Guard (something like that, forget the exact name) is a really good card, but it requires a thick, spell-heavy deck, so it works well with the final Stygian unlock card (which deals [spells in deck x2] damage, three times). It takes a little bit of caution, but I killed Seraph on the second floor (after applying spell weakness on the first floor) on Covenant Rank 12.
Some additional tips, focus on having a strong front liner. This means that they need a lot of health and preferably incant gain armor or incant apply sap work wonders in increasing their effective hp. This allows you time to heavily stack either spell weakness or frostbite. Also if you can ever get quick on a sweep unit you should do so as it will prevent a lot of incoming damage. From what I've noticed the far in playing Stygian they benefit heavily from being able to superstack 1 floor as you can have multiple units all gain different incant bonuses at once.
At 21:49 you passed on the Legion of Wax. I've never lost a run where I had a Legion and upgraded it. They are just beasts and amazing tanks and damage dealers.
NL, when you're not using a reform deck with melting that unit that applies burnout whenever hit works as a great tank and actually lets your reformed and burnout units survive
I would say it's a good idea to really pay attention to what the final bosses passive is. I feel like you build your deck around what they counter a lot. But i believe in you egg! ✊
Tip, Razorsharp Edge()? the +8 / -2 can be used on enemy units as a 2 dmg spell against supports or shielded units.
Don't sleep on the incant triggers. The incant units scale out of control with the reduced spell-cost boi.
Ah was a close one! It’s really cool the variety you get between different runs in this game :)
Egg really going all in in the "unload all your spells on the bottom floor" strat without a spell weakness stacking floor huh?
I liked how in the first run he said he didn't want anymore units and was fine, with like a total of 50 dmg in 3 units.
Hey NL! Tip for getting better, work on having set unit floor plans. Don’t just play stuff in the order you get it. It’s fine to not play units to leave space for your more efficient units all on one floor. On your second run the ideal floor set up would be Mollusk mage/Champion/Baron/Incant Armour unit all on the first floor. It would provide a strong front line and strong synergy between all units
If I take a shot every time based egg puts an energy morsel on his architect champion instead of his gorger to "buff" him, I will be so pogged out of my mind that the EMT's will have to take me away.
Putting spell weakness unit above his spell casting floor.... 10,000 IQ plays.
Choosing capacity and extra energy when all your spells are free also 10,000 IQ plays lol
its been 4years lmao
but not upgrading any unit and expect to win is just hard lmao
Another one holy! Man you inspired me to start my own youtube channel. The way you grind youtube and the frequency you upload, it is crazy! I make videos only on monster train so when you upload monster train i am the first to watch your video! Keep the good work you are awesome!
I see where you got your inspiration from, youre my favorite small youtuber
You should stick with monster train, it is a nice way to grow on youtube. Keep it up man !
@@zenozz109 Yes that is what i am doing right now:) And i love it so much. Thanks !
Thank you ! Yes this guy is awesome.
I'm watching this episode on my new tablet. It looks better than ever!
Double randy run? Hell yeah Ryan Gary Letourneau
Egg, I love the series, but when u had a chance to utilize the umbra champion’s ability to make a super floor with all that extra capacity in that first run and didn’t. That hurt my soul!
This was a very enjoyable run
Still lovin this series! Stygian Guard is the hardest clan to win with in my limited experience. Still haven't gotten a win with them yet. I feel like the spell stealing version of Seraph makes Stygian Guard even more difficult.
You know it wasn't just the trial. That first run had some abysmal choices like not protecting your valuable units.
I just recently bought this game and after watching this play through I have a better understanding of the game
My mom: who's he talking to
Me: well, me I guess
My mom: oh so you're playing the cards and hes talking?
Me: no I mean hes talking to the audience
My mom: so how is he playing by himself? I thought Magic was multiplayer
Me: it's not Magic, it's a different card game.
My mom: is it supposed to be this pogged?
I may have taken some creative license
10/10
you know it's a keeper series when you hear vacuuming/showering during the episode. (I actually can't hear it)
Haven't watched all yet but sweep and slay units are great for quick because they can kill things first and get buffed before other units kill their slay targets or get killed by the small bois
He knows, but because the tank he was using had revenge, he thought the best play was to let it get hit more often.
Which is a bad play imo
Hey Ryan, you spend too much on purge and spend too little on upgrades. Upgrades are very worth their price and spending money on purge has massively diminished returns.
aye true
Missed opportunity for an Oprah quote.
"you get a spell, you get a spell"
What are you, 30?
Ouch man, that one hurt
40:06 Just passed up on immediate help in the form of Combustible Wax
I'm impressed with your track record as Remnant. I am terrible with them, but do pretty well with the Stygian.
With StyGuard as Main Clan and a spell deck you really want draw more than anything else. Having a full floor is nice, but no damage is no damage. Having six or seven cars doing 60 -- 100 each is kinda a big thing. But of course it really depends on deck, enemies and boss-condition. Without IceStorm or Helix you better be putting up some frost-units and ice those fools.
I’m gonna be real, that Sephiroth boss effect damned you
That X Sap could alone have brought you to victory against that multistrike! You are not respecting the sap for the op spell it is.
Hey nl, if the morsel is something like energy gain there’s no point giving it to your champion instead of your gorge unit. The champion isn’t going to get any specific benefit from it whereas the gorger will
Loving this series
I may have missed an episode if it happened, but it'd be interesting to see an Umbra/Melting Remnant run. It may even be a bad combo, but they both have some kinda interesting things going on that I'd be curious to see together.
I have seen Arumba doing some good with that combo at covenant 25
Just imagine a train conductor just like "All Aboard the MONSTER TRAIN! >: D" 😆😆😆😆
Great video NL. Thanks for making amazing content
His hate for Train Stewards knows no bounds.
Loving the series brother
If I was a Train Steward I would be very upset about all the anti Train Steward sentiment in these videos. Train Stewards just want to protect the Boneshaker :(
I think that advanced prototype train stewards are pretty fantastic, please reconsider your evaluation brother.
I’ve always won with Melting Remnant when I got the Wax Legion. So good
"Incant abilities trigger an additional time... not relevant."
Excuse me?
especially with spell discount hero... nghhhhh painful xD
I feel like draw is super good in this game
Capacity is my cup of tea most of the time. You can obtain energy and draw from card effect more commonly
I agree about draw. I usually take either 1 energy 1 draw or 2 draw and ignore capacity with floor moving effects. I only go capacity if I absolutely have to
@@rizkyekaputra9960 You can avoid capacity completely with ascend/descend though. Very rarely do i take capacity. I take it only if i have very good draw/ember engines in my trinkets already, or if i absolutely NEED it for some sort of setup and don't have the ascend / descend effects. Having more choices every turn with draw is always useful
Ahhh the misplays are beautifully executed lol
Love me some spell-centric deck!
ahhh it hurt me so much how many misplays he made with the spell weakness deck, he should have champ second floor with mollusk mage, spell weakness unit with a tank (tycoon is grey for money) and he would have been fine, the artifacts he got were so perfect and op
Thank you for making my commutes fun
Loving the monster train content!
Fatty train stewards is incredibly powerful when you get that artifact in the first chest but probably not for Umbra/Awoken. For clans with lots of strong backline having a bunch of health upgraded, damage shield multistrikers is good. Awoken has all the heal boys and Umbra has all the gorge boys that make them less good because you want them up front.
Spell weakness and frostbite decks really want to have huge tanks infront of the weak units that apply those debuffs. So this might have had a chance, had you gone to the mercantile vendor at the end looking for hp ups
Brother your first instinct was right Memento Mori was a trash card to put into the deck since you weren't going ham on the reforms
Should have leaned more into reform with resin block and the burning wax relic
NL, if you see the boss is spell focued, then try to prioritize more of a unit based strat, and vice versa. the few wins i've goten have either been do a stat that doesn't care about the final challenge, or ones where i rolled into some OP shit, like you did with those 100/100 units
You know you're playing too much monster train when you click and hold right mouse button while you're watching boss battles
Does he still not realize he can assault his own morsels to turn them into 3 morsels?
Nl you can use emberdrain cards any time if you have other energy production like you do on this run
gg wp maybe he lost but my boy never gave up and thats what matters most
Great video NL!
Northernlion plays Slay the Spire-like 2: Electric Pogaloo
if you bring back your champion in the final floor then all your spells would be free again :D
An attempt was made, and it was as always a good show 👍
(and thanks for not doing the "and I assume you did if you watched all hh:mm:ss of it" bit; for some reason that one always makes me too aware if my own mortality lmao)
Stygian guard seems super weak compared to a lot of the other factions. The heavy spell reliance with little sustainability on floors just doesn’t seem to work when you can almost always get countered and lose just like this.