Which Festool Domino should you buy? -
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This was the most helpful explanation of the differences of the models I’ve found. Thank you!
I bought the 500 when they were first available in the US. I am on my 3rd box of 1800 5mm dominoes. Essentially I have used just shy of 6000 5 mm dominoes and that equates to over 10,000 5 mm mortises. I primarily build furniture and the 500 is plenty adequate. I have never wanted for a larger mortiser.
If I was building heavy oak doors or enormous conference tables and maybe even doing timber framing I would get the XL.
There really should be no question as to which to get. If you always build really big and heavy get the XL. If you build furniture out of 4/4 and 5/4 stock the 500 is absolutely big enough.
AND as mentioned in the video the XL is heavy, the 500 is no feather weight. My experience is that the easier the tool is to lug around the shop the more likely you will be to use it. I seriously had no idea that I would use the 500 as much as I have. Oh, and one more thing. I'm still using the same 5 mm bit that came with the 500. These are quality machines built to last a very long time.
I think what I am trying to say is buy the machine that you will use daily, not the one that you might need on occasion if you are trying to decide which one to buy.
Well put :)
Watched another review and he said exactly what you have stated.. thank you
This completely answered my question on which one to get. Thank you so much. Best video on the difference between the two.
Very informative, I am almost convinced to add the 700 to my Festool brigade. I love my 500 that I am using on a daily basis for the last 3 years.
You're a fantastic resource! Thanks for making this
Always informative, l look forward to these shop updates.
Absolutely love my little Domino 500, I don’t create work for others but it’s quite obvious why someone like yourself also requires the larger version, it’s a great concept either machine. One wonders if they will ever create an even larger version, I guess it would have its uses too! 👏👍😀
Thanks you I've just bought a second hand df500 and having seen this I'm pleased at my choice for the work that I do.
Great comparison. Thanks for helping me make the right decision, since I’ll only be able to afford to buy 1.
Another good vid mate 👍 t-shirt arrived and fits like a glove 😉 looking forward to maker central
Great information, thank you for another great video! When faced with the decision, I ended up buying the XL and aftermarket converters from Seneca Woodworking to let me cut smaller mortices and closer to top surface (Imperial standoffs). As you point out, I can't cut some mortices referencing the bottom surface like I could with the smaller unit - but I can do almost everything else. The Domino is very expensive, but it really is a game changer in the shop.
Hey Jeff, did you ever end up getting the 500 or do you still feel the XL fits the bill? Thanks, Chris
@@chrisdonner2910 Thanks Chris! If I was doing production cabinet work I would probably get myself a 500 as well. For my volume and type of use, the 700 with the smaller bit adaptor has worked quite well. For some tasks it's a bit large and clumsy but it's still really efficient vs the alternatives for my chosen use cases.
@@JeffMarxWoodworking thanks for the quick reply and information Jeff!
I think the best combo is the mafell doweller for small things and the domino XL for larger jobs.
Great review, Andy! When do I finally get to see an MW Shop Talk explaining how amazing your NEW Festool Vac is and how you don't know how you lived without it!!! :)
haha.. not anytime soooooon.. but when one of my current vac has had it maybe then :)
Very enviable shop and tools. Thanks for the vid.
Great video as usual! One of my favorite channels :)
Thank you! :)
Great walkthrough with those awesome tools, mate👍
Easy to see why you'd need them all in your one man shop👌
Its much easier using the smaller machine for smaller work I find I work much quicker and it saves messing around with lots of Cutter changes and setting ;)
@@ManorWood that's the whole deal of a one man band, aye.
Being as proficient and streamlined on the whole process from start to finish.
Honest, cool video, thank you for sharing
I love the 500 but agree sometimes more depth would make a better joint, I try to compensate with more dominoes in each joint. Just for interest it would be interesting to see the tenon sizes laid out.
Thank you Sir!It helped alot.
I thought I will buy smaller domino but now I know I need his Bigger brother:)
Thank you for your brilliant video. You're a very clever guy, and I thought I was a clever chap also ( I am actually). I`m an `old school` cabinet maker yet `young-ish school` regarding these new technologies. YES, I do have a domino 500 but I wanted you to explain the beautiful benefits of the XL700. And,... YOU DID.
Think I will be spending some serious Dollar on the XL 700 now. Perfect. !!!!!!
Well done .
Just discovered this channel. Awesome content!
love your workbenches mate
Brought them both after watching this !!!!!
Thanks! Great info!
Love the video I see how the festool dominos help speed up production in small shop. I use router & upcut spiral bits as i can not justify the cost the Domino plus extractor based on my volume of work.
Does the same thing and just a good , but take a little more time and set up
You may also find dowels useful to integrate into your workflow. Fast and quite strong
Buy the xl and don’t look back.. awesome machine I love mine and it’s paid for with first job😊👍 great review 👍😊
I should have gotten the 700. But at the time I bought the 500 the 700 couldn't join the face of 1/2" to the edge of 1/2" material.
Which one to buy? It’s easy, you buy the DF 700 and then you purchase the adapter from Infinity Tools that allows you to use the smaller bits for the smaller size dominos but of course you gotta get the set of smaller bits too but yeah, that’s what I have done and now I can use the full size from smallest to largest using the 700 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Sound about right , only advantage of both is the 500 is much easy to handle with 9/12/18mm ply or sheet goods
Very helpful, thank you! Good video, clear explanation. What is the sort of bench you're using? Apologies if that has already been asked in comments.
Seneca domi plate works great then the xl does it all , they also do a bit reducer so you can fit small domino bits to the large machine but festool do not endorse using them.
I use the 500, and as I mainly do smaller work, the compactness and light weight is really helpful. Although I do see how reinforcing a joint after gluing can also be very attractive.
I build a lot of drawers, hundreds, out of 1/2" Baltic birch stock with rabbited corners. After assembly I plunge mortises and add dominos in the corners to reinforce.
If you are reinforcing a joint after gluing you could do it with dowels. It means you do not have to be super accurate just drill straight through and then put dowel through.
Obviously a DF700 is far more versatile than using dowels.
@@bighands69 Absolutely, you can reinforce joints with dowels and as you commented you do not have to be super accurate. With a Domino it is very easy to be super accurate. FWIW I was on a job site assisting with building the cabinets and drawers for a kitchen and 2 bath room remodel. The kitchen drawers were all 3/4" DT's in maple. There were a few drawers that were too large in height to effectively use DT's. These were recycle and wast bin drawers. In this case I used the Domino to reinforce the rabbit joints. The home owner had another contractor, during the same time period, build the drawers for the bathroom renovations, 31 drawers to be exact. Those drawers were reinforced with dowels. Before those bathroom drawers were installed, the home owner compared the waste bin and recycle bin drawers, reinforced with Dominos, and the bathroom drawers reinforced with dowel pins. All of the drawers for the bathrooms were reordered to be built again and reinforced with Dominoes. This sounds shocking but in this case money was no object and the appearance of the domino over the dowel was the clear winner for this customer. If you own the Domino 500 make the most of it.
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Main problem when using dowels is that people do not use enough glue on the dowel its self and when only dowel has glue on it it means it will come apart.
My grander made tables and chairs over 60 years ago with dowels and they still have not come apart.
If you own the DF500 you could combine it will through drilled dowels for extra support if you desire.
My point is not that dowels are better. I have never had issues with dowels, domino's or biscuits. They all work.
Always love your videos. I am currently shopping for a Domino for an upcoming barn dining table I want to make and am trying to figure out whether the largest tenon that the 500 can accommodate would be big enough for 1.5" - 2" thick breadboards on the end of the table or if I would need to step up to the 700. I was leaning towards buying the 700 because I know that you can buy an adapter from Seneca that allows you to use 500 bits but when I saw in your video that the 700 couldn't do thinner materials (bit would be past center on thinner material) I went back into this-or-that mode. Thoughts?
If you cannot afford a domino you can also drill dowel through (after laminate glue up).
Both. Buy both
I bought the larger one and got the adaptor from Seneca woodworking to use the small bits in it. Was about £80 with the import tax but cheaper then buying both
both!!
My answer is the 700 and buy the adaptor to use 500 smaller bits if you can't justify both.
The 700 is bigger and heavier but the extra size means you can build a table today and a frame tomm.
Great timing & Thanks! My first Festool purchase will be the domino. As I have a biscuit joiner and want to do larger projects - leaning towards the 700. Cheers from Canada
Great... looks like there are lots of adapters for the 700XL so you can use it for most of the smaller cuts as well - www.senecawoodworking.com/collections/all/products/10mm-domi-shim .. there is end an adapter to but the smaller cutter in on Ebay - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rts-500-Domino-Cutter-Adapter-For-XL-700-4-5-6-8-10mm-Adaptateur-Festool/254165540540?hash=item3b2d725ebc:g:4h4AAOSwgnJcBNsK
I pondered over that decision for months then finally settled on the 700. I just bought aftermarket accessories to be able to use it on smaller stock materials. Maybe I’ll get the 500 at some point. “ Your imagination is your only limit.” Bloody well said.😊
My final choice also. Seneca Woodworking makes all that possible with bit adapters and shimming spacers.
Good information mate got some doors to make so you’ve sold me on the xl
I have a supporter fast domino door build coming next 👍
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Any idea if it's possible/where to rent a domino from?
nice shop
My take is 700 , big not a problem but have options to grow business faster. ❤
Can you tell me whats the difference between the Festool 574332 Domino DF 500 Joining System and the Festool 574432 Domino Joiner DF 500 Q Set
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I'm considering the MAFELL DDF40, what are your thoughts on the duo doweller. Excellent video by the way, I have the DOMINO XL and am looking at the df500 or the ddf40, would really appreciate your input
I love my DDF40 but am considering getting a Domino as well. The DDF40 excels for carcassing cupboards, units and shelves etc. The Domino, particularly the large one would be better if you want more structural joints for doors or window frames etc. You can of course get large cutters and dowels for the DDF40 that offer a more structural solution but the large Domino would still be the better option - aside from actual mortise and tenon joinery of course. So, depends what your needs/work is Simon.
Simon Hopkins
An alternative would be Mafell biscuit jointer. With this approach you could use standard wooden biscuit abut also use metal and plastic biscuits.
The Mafell DDF40 is better for doing construction grade projects than the likes of the domino xl.
10mm dowels are great for construction grade carpentry.
Cheers ..! the MAFELL does look good as well . I my self have not used one ..
good info..:)
Interesting , why do you say that ? I find the XL with its break down joint system and 14MM dominos cover most big jobs for me anyway
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Having used the Lamello, I can see the attraction, however the price of replacement cutters is very high just be careful with it. I use the smaller domino all the time and think its brilliant, would like to use use the XL as I think it could speed up a lot of production in the workshop.
Great comparison, keep up the great work.
Blade prices are nothing if you are doing enough commercial work with them. A table could sold for £1000 or $1000 and you could do several of them with the one blade.
If people had better accounting and finances they would understand the true value and not be so quick to think things are expensive or cheap.
I know people that think that Lamello connectors are expensive and when you talk to them you realize that they are using them in projects that are worth thousands of dollars which makes not sense.
Hi@@@bighands69, I agree with you whole heartedly. I was merely speaking from experience that cost of a replacement cutter which is diamond tipped is around £190.00.
I agree 100% the time it save is massive and the finish is amazing ..:)
I got my with diamond tipped option ProTrade offer a good deal with that blade..
@@garyblake3130
I bought a tenon saw last week for $250. My wife thinks that was madness and I tell her feel the balance and grip on it.
I must admit either is TOO expensive even secondhand so wouldn't buy but worth a watch
If you have one you could joint up a job in an hour that would otherwise take a few days. You could be doing hundreds of projects.
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Neither actually - the Mafell twin doweller is a much more versatile tool , the dowels are also cheaper and easier to source......... Not anti Festool , have used the Domino and found the Mafell much more practical and better engineered - and dare I say it .... Better quality.
Richard Brandson is putting an ad in front of the video, tried to convince me to go to space with him. He really thinks people just like him.
Still don’t understand the perception of this tool as something special. Loose tenons aren’t unique to Festool domino. Bead lock, dowels and router mortise are all the same functional joint. The domino is a high priced uni-tasker, I’ll take a drill and doweling jig or a router mortising jig any day. From a price and multi function standpoint the drill or router have WAY more utility than the domino.
It’s quick easy to use and make a perfect joint , it also has the break down fitting (which I just used on my bed build). There are many options out there and something for everyone . For me it’s the domino
The question is pointless. I have the 500 and that's the one I would choose. I choose it because that's the most appropriate one for the work I do. It's a stupid question.
It a guide explaining My point of view pros cons etc. to help people thinking about buying . Yes its pointless if someone that know what they want or needs watches it .
NONE, if you are a REALLY COMPETENT WOODWORKER and if have to WORK for your money.