Wow, Mark, you genuinely do have such an encyclopedic knowledge of directors and films that you can just reel off your tongue! It's fantastic. I really liked Neon Demon and I can definitely see the resemblance to a Dario Argento movie!
Agreed 100%. Don't go to see this movie for good dialogue. Go for absolutely stunning visuals, fantastic dark techno and imagery that you will probably not forget for a while.
I actually kind of liked the dialogue, the absolute dead pan delivery from all of the characters, especially in the bathroom scene from the beginning of the film, made me feel so uncomfortable. I’m someone who also has a soft spot for extreme cinema so I love a film that can make me feel uneasy by simply talking. Then the ending of course, but I won’t spoil anything
I watched it on Friday 8th - its visually rich. Make no mistake its crafted beautifully. Kermode said a great point in this review about the vacuous world its portraying - you know what, hes totally right. It does it brilliantly too. On one hand the women are super sexy but evil. Evil with the need to be perfect. But devoid of human qualities - neon demons. Elle Fanning was great at her role. In fact superb, but they all were good. Its certainly not a conventional mainstream movie and not one to watch with the kids - be very sure of that. But its memorable for it makes you question and notice every detail while immersed between the acoustic landscape by Cliff Martinez. Refn is a spectacular film maker. But not for the audience of Independence Day.
Despite the fact that the movie has a weird tone, Nicolas Winding Refn still manages to captivate his audience with his unique style, at least that's how I felt leaving the theatre, I thought about the movie later that day and the following one as well, and this happens with interesting movies that I like, just like Mark I would recommend watching this one.
I didn't really have a reaction after watching the film, but it has stuck with me for days after watching it. It's a visually stunning commentary on fashion and beauty, with an incredible soundtrack. That said, I can totally understand someone not liking it. You're either with it or you aren't, although I don't understand people saying the acting is wooden. I thought everyone did a good job.
I think this movie, which is about beauty and perfection, is beautiful and perfect. I saw some terrible reviews of it. The films it reminded me of most where David Lynch's Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me and Lost Highway. I also loved the soundtrack and went out and bought it after seeing the movie.
Recent LA Neo-Noir Movie Marathon (in play order): Inherent Vice, Under the Silver Lake, The Neon Demon, Mullholand Drive, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
just watched this movie, really liked the visuals. was into the movie up until the halfway mark and it just got ridiculous. like it was building up and there was a logic to it and then it just turned into a bunch of crazy bullshit.
I hate using the word pretentious re a film, the word is so often over used and applied to films that are artistically ambitious, which can alienate mainstream audiences - but I actually felt that is a word that fits nicely when applied to this faux bit of "art". Even if a film is about false, artificial values, one would hope it could be delivered with some semblance of truth. I don't even think it delivers as a piece of camp.
I was disappointed with this. The trailer made it seem a lot more exciting......I was really bored for long stretches....then I remembered NWR's [of whom I'm a fan incidentally] last film was Only God Forgives [which I also found incredibly boring] "Terminator meets The Stepford Wives" would've been great but it's nowhere near that scary or cool. There were moments where I thought it was going to be outrageous or shocking but even in the times when it gets violent it somehow manages to make that un-involving and boring. I really wanted to be surprised, shocked, thrilled, all those things that Mark was but I just wasn't...... I think I wanted it to be Stepford Wives/Black Swan hybrid or something but it's not that full on[& Black Swan was a 15!] It does look fantastic though.......& Martinez's score is brilliant too.... I do love all his scores. :)
I really didn't find this film to be at all shocking - I thought it was rather shallow with pretty visuals that could have come right out of a perfume commercial. I didn't find it provocative or engaging on any level. I don't see Nicolas Winding Refn as much of an auteur (more a wanna be auteur). If one compares him with a Cronenberg or a Park chan Wook, for example, he pales to the point of disappearing.
It's fun but not a patch on all of the genius films it emulates. It wears it's influences on it's sleeve and didn't match any of them for me personally. I'm always left feeling empty by this director. I find his films beautiful to look at but missing the mark for me substance-wise. I'd still recommend watching this at the cinema though, it's very enjoyable.
You can tell Mark really likes this movie as he waxed lyrical on it and made at least twelve references to other film makers. Personally, I thought it had its good moments but was about 30 mins too long and a bit pretentious in a lot of scenes, and just focused on silence and imagery. The actual dialogue was ok but because of the deliberate slow pace, it detached itself too much from reality for me which is a shame. I guess that was the route Nicolas was trying to go, as you see the model puke up Jesse's eyeball after she becomes ill and the other one eats it. As with Nicolas' other movies that I've seen, namely Drive and Only God Forgives, it has me intrigued from the beginning, but after a while it becomes way too pretentious for me and I get annoyed like I've been hoodwinked. There were also dare I say it, too many white people, and gave the impression that it was mainly about their first world problems and narcissistic values, and did not really represent any other race, so I can see why it got booed at Cannes. Visually though it looked amazing so credit to the cinematographer.
Is about webcam model Jesse. Jesse was/ is webcam model. If you pay attention to the movie, you will see it when she says “No is just some guy he found me online” looking at her face expression and the photos, and everything more. Is a weird feeling about this movie but the way Jesse is in the pool in the end saying she is dangerous just confirms It is about online webcam models just like Jesse. If Jesse wasn’t into online adult webcam services, she would not be able to afford paying rent in her motel (because the guy she found online is not portrayed as a simp. And Jesse had no money).
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“EYES WIDE SHUT as remade by Gaspar Noe” - YOU’RE the one, Kermode! YOU gave Noe the idea for CLIMAX...!
Wow, Mark, you genuinely do have such an encyclopedic knowledge of directors and films that you can just reel off your tongue! It's fantastic. I really liked Neon Demon and I can definitely see the resemblance to a Dario Argento movie!
Even a blind people can see that resemblance mate
this is actually one of my favourite films
Agreed 100%. Don't go to see this movie for good dialogue. Go for absolutely stunning visuals, fantastic dark techno and imagery that you will probably not forget for a while.
I just watched it. Pretty much forgetten
I actually kind of liked the dialogue, the absolute dead pan delivery from all of the characters, especially in the bathroom scene from the beginning of the film, made me feel so uncomfortable. I’m someone who also has a soft spot for extreme cinema so I love a film that can make me feel uneasy by simply talking. Then the ending of course, but I won’t spoil anything
Isaac J. Dean I forgot it the day after. Didn't help I fell asleep intermittently throughout.
have a shot every time kermode references another film/director
No thanks
If you're drinking anything stronger than ketchup you'll be dead by the midpoint.
I thought it was incredible. The score was amazing. Ages since I was so surprised by a film.
I watched it on Friday 8th - its visually rich. Make no mistake its crafted beautifully. Kermode said a great point in this review about the vacuous world its portraying - you know what, hes totally right. It does it brilliantly too. On one hand the women are super sexy but evil. Evil with the need to be perfect. But devoid of human qualities - neon demons. Elle Fanning was great at her role. In fact superb, but they all were good. Its certainly not a conventional mainstream movie and not one to watch with the kids - be very sure of that. But its memorable for it makes you question and notice every detail while immersed between the acoustic landscape by Cliff Martinez. Refn is a spectacular film maker. But not for the audience of Independence Day.
Despite the fact that the movie has a weird tone, Nicolas Winding Refn still manages to captivate his audience with his unique style, at least that's how I felt leaving the theatre, I thought about the movie later that day and the following one as well, and this happens with interesting movies that I like, just like Mark I would recommend watching this one.
Is not weird tone, is about online webcam model Jesse. She was it, and then she applied to real life model toxic agencies
Omg. He mentioned Company of wolves!
I didn't really have a reaction after watching the film, but it has stuck with me for days after watching it. It's a visually stunning commentary on fashion and beauty, with an incredible soundtrack. That said, I can totally understand someone not liking it. You're either with it or you aren't, although I don't understand people saying the acting is wooden. I thought everyone did a good job.
When I saw this movie recently I described it as suspiria meets napoleon dynamite. So I’m happy he mentioned argento…
A rich, mythical, horrific portrayal of an empty, corrupt, and cannibalistic society. Another work of art from Refn.
For a second I misheard Kermode say Chris Martin instead of Cliff Martinez and thought "I think I'll leave this one then".
The colours reminded me alot of suspiria, dario argentos version not the remake.
I think this movie, which is about beauty and perfection, is beautiful and perfect. I saw some terrible reviews of it. The films it reminded me of most where David Lynch's Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me and Lost Highway. I also loved the soundtrack and went out and bought it after seeing the movie.
Recent LA Neo-Noir Movie Marathon (in play order): Inherent Vice, Under the Silver Lake, The Neon Demon, Mullholand Drive, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
loved this one so much. don't know if i prefer it to drive but it's certainly up there.
First time I saw it I rewatched it twice in 24hrs and that has NEVER happened before.
I can't wait to watch it again.
same here man
Yep, really damn good.. And that soundtrack.
Chris Martinez?! You need to get that Coldplay removed, it's probably malignant.
Sound quality is a bit blown in some lines. Compressed to bits.
chris martinez? please.
Really wanted to like it. Visually captivating, though far too long. Surprised Mark didn't comment that it needed a good edit.
just watched this movie, really liked the visuals. was into the movie up until the halfway mark and it just got ridiculous. like it was building up and there was a logic to it and then it just turned into a bunch of crazy bullshit.
Who wants logic in a film?
@@wckr1826 pretty much everybody
LOL.. I'm not sure this is a positive review.
He's basically saying: "While I was watching this film. I thought of other, better things."
As you do whilst consuming a Refn product. Or shall I say a "NWR" production.
He gave it 4/5 stars in the guardian today
Superb movie. Heaped with symbolism to make repeat viewings worthwhile.
disgraceland uk Symbolism. The replacement for actual plot and dialogue.
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Mark, you missed Todd Slaughters Freaks...check out the shot in the swimming pool towards the end.
"I really enjoyed this movie, it was very cool"... I tell my friends, but what I meant to say is 0:00 - 4:00.
Did the original video get taken down because it said it was rated 12A?
Does anyone know what director he's talking about at 2:14-2:15?
Grand Guignol, is not a director, but a 1920s horror style named after a theatre in Paris back in the day.
I always wanted to use this phrase when reviewing a movie, now i can. The Neon Demon more style than substance.
If by substance you mean storyline then read a book. Cinema is a visual medium.
...all on the set of Suspiria.
Overrated movie
It looks a very good film about vile, vacuous people.
What's vacuous
Empty inside i guess
I hate using the word pretentious re a film, the word is so often over used and applied to films that are artistically ambitious, which can alienate mainstream audiences - but I actually felt that is a word that fits nicely when applied to this faux bit of "art". Even if a film is about false, artificial values, one would hope it could be delivered with some semblance of truth. I don't even think it delivers as a piece of camp.
I was disappointed with this. The trailer made it seem a lot more exciting......I was really bored for long stretches....then I remembered NWR's [of whom I'm a fan incidentally] last film was Only God Forgives [which I also found incredibly boring]
"Terminator meets The Stepford Wives" would've been great but it's nowhere near that scary or cool. There were moments where I thought it was going to be outrageous or shocking but even in the times when it gets violent it somehow manages to make that un-involving and boring. I really wanted to be surprised, shocked, thrilled, all those things that Mark was but I just wasn't...... I think I wanted it to be Stepford Wives/Black Swan hybrid or something but it's not that full on[& Black Swan was a 15!]
It does look fantastic though.......& Martinez's score is brilliant too.... I do love all his scores.
:)
Cracking film.
I really didn't find this film to be at all shocking - I thought it was rather shallow with pretty visuals that could have come right out of a perfume commercial. I didn't find it provocative or engaging on any level. I don't see Nicolas Winding Refn as much of an auteur (more a wanna be auteur). If one compares him with a Cronenberg or a Park chan Wook, for example, he pales to the point of disappearing.
It's fun but not a patch on all of the genius films it emulates. It wears it's influences on it's sleeve and didn't match any of them for me personally. I'm always left feeling empty by this director. I find his films beautiful to look at but missing the mark for me substance-wise. I'd still recommend watching this at the cinema though, it's very enjoyable.
You can tell Mark really likes this movie as he waxed lyrical on it and made at least twelve references to other film makers. Personally, I thought it had its good moments but was about 30 mins too long and a bit pretentious in a lot of scenes, and just focused on silence and imagery. The actual dialogue was ok but because of the deliberate slow pace, it detached itself too much from reality for me which is a shame. I guess that was the route Nicolas was trying to go, as you see the model puke up Jesse's eyeball after she becomes ill and the other one eats it.
As with Nicolas' other movies that I've seen, namely Drive and Only God Forgives, it has me intrigued from the beginning, but after a while it becomes way too pretentious for me and I get annoyed like I've been hoodwinked. There were also dare I say it, too many white people, and gave the impression that it was mainly about their first world problems and narcissistic values, and did not really represent any other race, so I can see why it got booed at Cannes. Visually though it looked amazing so credit to the cinematographer.
It looked nice, but ultimately it was garbage.
Sharp suit, Mark.
Sorcerer yes 🙌
Was a great movie
Is about webcam model Jesse. Jesse was/ is webcam model. If you pay attention to the movie, you will see it when she says “No is just some guy he found me online” looking at her face expression and the photos, and everything more. Is a weird feeling about this movie but the way Jesse is in the pool in the end saying she is dangerous just confirms It is about online webcam models just like Jesse. If Jesse wasn’t into online adult webcam services, she would not be able to afford paying rent in her motel (because the guy she found online is not portrayed as a simp. And Jesse had no money).
It's not. Those are just your perverted fantasies.
sounds like you have webcam models on the brain. There's absolutely nothing in the film which so much as hints at what you've said being the case.
I can't bring myself to watch this film I think it would hard to watch .
It is quite difficult in parts
Refn is a berk!!
what's a berk?
Wow are people bad at reviewing this movie.
cool
Cool profile pic!
This was made so Mark could pack this review with references. Not that he isn't correct. Also, snore.
Excessive namedropping is boring and irrelevant. Pushes my internal mute button.