I like how Rottenborn first said that Johnny refuses to take accountability and blames everyone else, then reads text messages of Johnny taking accountability and apologizing for his behavior. Nice one
All about projection, and her lack of insight and accountability for her violence and abuse. AH has been doing that all along. "I'm sorry I upset you." -- Johnny Depp. Rottenborn gaslighting. Just like his client.
“It’s about restoring his lost reputation. It’s about showing to Lilly Rose & Jack that the truth is worth fighting for” …. Damn! I can’t hold my tears. Watching from Brisbane 🇦🇺 Australia at early 3am my time.
@@VallerieMalkin they’re discussing matters from 6+ years ago, JD said on the stand that he had overcome his opiate addiction and he remains off the pills to this day. Beyond that, we have absolutely no reason to believe he is STILL abusing substances to this day, because all of the testimony was, again, referencing 6+++ years ago. That said, as someone who has overcome opiate addiction myself, I can tell you that getting off opiates is so unbelievably difficult and takes so much work, that I sincerely doubt he would ever able to remain clean from opiates while continuing to abuse other drugs. If there’s one thing you can trust addicts and recovered addicts about, it’s whether they think another person is on drugs. We can sniff out our own and see the signs from a mile away with absolute ease. I 100% trust that Johnny has overcome his opiate addiction because I’ve been staring at him in a courtroom every business day for the past 6 weeks. Opiates are a physically addictive drug, meaning the body becomes dependent on the drug to function - opiate addiction does not give you the option to abstain from opiates. What this means is that if he wasn’t clean, he would either be on drugs in the courtroom, OR having withdrawal symptoms. I have observed absolutely nothing to suggest he has been high in that courtroom, nor withdrawing. And if he’s not high or withdrawing in the courtroom, he’s not high or withdrawing at home. That’s how that works. Additionally, I haven’t seen anything to suggest he’s on any other substances - nor Amber, for that matter! Sorry, I had to say that as well, I keep hearing people insist she did a bump of coke on the stand, and I’ve never heard anything more ridiculous. Bunch of morons online who have absolutely no idea how drugs work, yet want to insist she somehow did a bump through a tissue? Jeez, the Internet is crazier than usual lately, lol! Apologies for the essay, I understand why you made the comment you did, I just wanted to attempt to offer some clarity and context, again, to please remember that while this is the first time we are hearing about all these stories, they’re not discussing matters that happened yesterday. They’re discussing matters from over 6,7,8,9 years ago, and it’s unfair to take anyone’s admittance of drug abuse from that long ago and infer they are still using to the same degree. Especially when they’ve testified they’ve overcome their addiction and abstain from their drug of choice. That’s all :). Have a lovely day!
@@mysticalmargaret6105 Unfortunately, it may lead to other abusers walking into courtrooms and claiming their victims, actual victims, are just an "Amber Heard 2.0". THAT is how AH has basically set up every future victim of DV. The positive side of this case is it may encourage more men that are true victims to reach out for help without the fear of a stigma attached. What she has done is set the judicial system for victims back 50 years. I once lived in a metro Atlanta county that did not legally recognize domestic abuse until 1994. Think about that for a minute. Physically abusing a partner or spouse was not considered a criminal act until 1994 and it still took a few years after that for the DA to begin routinely prosecuting those cases. Had this JD/AH case taken place in 1993, it very well could have been a considering factor to NOT pass the 1994 law against DV. I truly hope actual victims don't watch this case and believe they must have a bucket full of recordings and admissions before being believed because it can be incredibly dangerous if their the abuser discovers any attempts to document the abuse. Of course, she didn't do this by herself. She had her sister and former friends help her. I like to think that's why they are no longer friends -- that they finally realized how detrimental their actions will be on real victims. Still, too little, too late
I started bawling when Camille said "this is the story of all too many women, but it is NOT Amber Heard's story". It has been so incredibly triggering to listen to a testimony that so closely matches my own experience, and so terribly painful to see it all be made a mockery and cash grab. Thank you, Ms. Vasquez.
So powerful, and hopefully helpful against the misogyny some are spreading in relation to this case. Camille is a powerhouse and her words will hopefully reach people.
@@TheAnimaAnimal fairly sure it’s misandry that’s the issue in 2022. It’s horrible that this does happen to women and it used to be that DV survivors wouldn’t come forward…however nowadays this is doing a 180 and there will soon be more false allegations that genuine cases of DV (which will make it even harder for real DV victims to come forward) ‘The believe all women/me too’ movements have had the complete opposite effect that wen wanted.
@@GolfingInParadise783 Unfortunately, metoo is the best we can do. Just being quiet hasn't helped and without it a lot of horrible people wouldn't have been exposed. It is really for good and for ill but I'll take over being silent.
@@TheAnimaAnimal it’s done far more bad than good. The feminist movement has always lied about not reporting DV to make it look like it happens more than it does. I strongly suggest reading the demographic reports about which relationships have the highest rates of DV….I’ll give you a clue, the highest rates of DV is in lesbian relationships. If anything it’s men that don’t report it when women abuse them, for being bullied…women like to play victims, not just with DV but with many other things too. Think about it, women initiate 80% of divorces, yet cheat at the same rates as men now, yet always come out as the victim and the man as the perp 😂😂
@@GolfingInParadise783 I'm pretty sure the me too movement has said believe all victims. If not that's should definitely be the narrative. Because it being a gender thing definitely has lead to this
No way. He’s right. I wasn’t perfect You aren’t after being with these freaks. I wasn’t believed because that’s what these men do they lie!!!? But I was the one laughing at the end when he was found guilty of attempted murder. You are wrong. He is a textbook DV Abuser. It’s so obvious to people that know about this. And scary more don’t know what to look for. Nothing is normal about being in these relationships nothing. U end up fighting back and don’t care if you end up dead after so long of that crap. She just had bigger balls then most of us. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 We all have literally seen him intimidate her in that video. That’s abuse right the case over. And we have seen the text of him saying he’s going to ruin her not mentioning about any abuse. Wake up !!!
@@AMYV3 I think you have difficulty discerning between this case and your experience. No one (probably) will disbelieve your account but it is pretty damned clear Amber is not the victim she purported to be.
@@AMYV3 I beg it differ and although I am sorry for your abuse, and hope you are in a better place now. He had some verbally abusive tirades for sure, seemingly attached to his addiction. She on the other hand was worse. She’s a classic narcissist. I think the two of them together were toxic. I think she’s just delusional enough to try and pull this off. She should have just chalked it up to mutually bad situation without ruining him. All his exes have said he is non violent
@@AMYV3 honestly myself and many I know have experienced assault and abuse on varying degrees Men and women alike. Ur comment is really hurtful and I’m sorry for what happened but you clearly aren’t paying attention to this trial or the majority’s opinions. EVERYDAY I’m reading comments of women and men who relate to Johnny and feel amber is spitting in victims faces. She surely doesn’t represent me and as a woman I’m honestly offended by your “wake up” and these people haven’t experienced what I have sentiment. All I saw was amber interjecting herself while Johnny was having a mental break and then laughing and smirking. There are just honestly so many wrong and offensive things in your comment I’m baffled. Did you stare down and laugh and smirk at your abuser in court??? You’re invalidating victims of all gender by making baseless claims most likely rooted from your own trauma experience. Please at least put actual evidence that supports ur claims
Vasquez is just a star. She's clear spoken, strong, argues passionately without being aggressive or overly emotional. To top it off she is gorgeous and I love her clothes.
@@wingedhussar1453 You don’t know much about how cross examination works I guess by your statement. Camille was as polite as she could be. Cross examinations are supposed to be brutal and there are lawyers who go to great lengths to disprove the person in the stand. Compared to that Camille was very ethical and only focused on facts presented.
@@wingedhussar1453 Passive aggressive? She's suppose to be aggressive. Have you never watched a case before? Not a tv show one, an ACTUAL one. This is definitely your first.
I love how people forget freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. You can say whatever you want but it doesn’t mean you won’t suffer from the consequences at some point.
That she actually wasn't writing AT ALL! There a video here on YT that shows her pretending to write on a notepad and a male lawyer watching her and shaking his head in disgust.
I want everyone to know that someone who is abused never mocks the abuser a lot of people think she is guilty but I know I know her she has been apart of my life for a long time metaphorically speaking if this was real she would never smirk or record you’d get beat to a pulp …. I’m in therapy and doing my best she is a black mark on all survivors I’ve lived this and the tears would flow and be a problem …. We have a voice and we don’t need to word it in our favor …. Rip- ma I love you and I don’t forget
I love how when Rottenburg says, "Let's see the monster in the flesh", that the first image on the screen is Amber secretly setting up the Camera, lol.
Yup! 😈🤣 And to use that video and call it abuse? It was hilarious! Was Rottenborn serious? Or is he “tricky” enough to do this silly maneuver just so he can turn around and mock JCD for laughing?
I'm an SA survivor. It was IPV. I have been through a criminal trial. I didn't have any evidence except my testimony. My word against his. But I told the truth and I was believed. I was so nervous on the stand and I did my best not to break down and cry. I didn't want to be vulnerable in court or relive those feelings. I had PTSD and the last thing I wanted was to have a panic attack. It's something I avoided with all my strength. Reliving the experience of abuse is extremely unpleasant. I find AH's behaviour in this trial to be suspicious and hard to believe.
Im sorry you had to go through that. I mever had photos never called the cops tried to sort it out alone and ended up succeeding to kick him out but as i have a kid with him had to deal with him for years in one way or another.. and so it would definitely be my word against his if i had taken him to court for sure. Im the last person that thinks anyone whonis a dv or sa victim needs proof. Photos etc. But for me its soooo odd that shed have photos of material damage like mirrors and broken bottles etc yet not take any of her bodily harm. Its so bizarre to me as someone that took no photos at all ever. If i had had the wherewithall to do it it would have been of the bodily harm not some broken art frame. And as you say the testimony just didnt ring true deep inside me and i always believe people via my gut instinct. I think he was abusive in other ways however perhaps instigated by her. Verbally and psychologically and breaking things in anger or whatever but the phsyical and SA just doesnt ring right to me. But... ive gave her the benefit of the doubt initially til i saw the confusing evidence and conflicting stuff online now made public.
@@spikesgirl9371 aww that is very sweet of you. Im ok now thank you though still have PTSD triggers. Im just glad AH and JD didnt have a child together as having one with my ex who was the perp of the DV has been like been extra traumatic and not easy on our child who is now a grownup. Alot of healing has to happen and its harder when kids are involved and you can't just walk away completely. Thank you for your compassionate message. Solidarity helps the healing x
I'm so proud of you, winning those cases is ridiculously hard. I'm (potentially) going to court against my abuser and I've been so nervous thinking about it but this has been really helpful to read.
100%, so true. if her stories had even an ounce of truth in them, it would have been a totally different vibe, Camille simply couldn't have been so tough in questioning her and the court and we would have felt it.
I didn’t think I’d cry but as a survivor of both sexual and violent abuse, when she said “it’s not her story, it is the story of other women.” I lost it.
Elaine having the NERVE to call the court psychological abuse is so unbelievably disrespectful to actual abuse. I was told in great detail how I would be killed and disposed of multiple times, my abuser would mention every time we were near some place that sells guns that he would buy one and kill me, my pets, and my loved ones. THATS PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE.
You claiming to be a victim of why do you make excuses for any form of abuse? All abuse is wrong, physical, emotional, verbal, financial, onlineabuse etc etc. This trial is public revengeporrn and we all know it, do not make excuses for it based on who you support.
The thing is, if her narrative was true, and Johnny Depp were using this suit to keep degrading her, then yes It could be considered abuse. And while what happened to you is truely horrible, not all psychological abuse is that overt.
@@karatekaninen3045 I don't think OP is making excuses, also, how exactly is this trial revengeporn? 🤔 like did you watch all six weeks of this trial???
I have to say Rottenborn completely lost me at Johnny’s abuse by his mother felt worse to him than his abuse by Amber Heard. As if that somehow justifies anything. Pitting maternal abuse and IPV against each other in a closing statement? Extremely distasteful. How is that not victim shaming? “His childhood abuse was worse so this wasn’t that bad” gross just gross.
It is awful to compare the two. Abuse by a parent can indeed be worse but much of it is bc of how important that relationship is in a life of a child, also the fact that you are defenseless as a child much more than as an adult. Parents are responsible for your survival so when they are the source of distress and hurt it can have truly awful consequences. Doesn’t change the fact that spousal abuse is also awful and should not be minimized by your past experiences.
What's worse to me is how irrelevant it is to this case on top of that. Johnny didn't alledge trauma, he didn't alledge ptsd, he alledged losing reputation and monetary harm over her accusations. Whether or not childhood trauma was worse for him mentally than the abuse from Amber doesn't matter to anything. It's just trying to diminish irrelevant things that weren't even alledged. Yet he still thought it important to try, and he still thought the way to do so was by comparing two terrible situations.
If anything, it solidified the plaintiff counsel's implication that earlier childhood trauma normalized this dysfunctional conduct in Depp's mind, helping to contextualize his decision to remain in the relationship.
You do know there is a difference between talking about taking responsibilty and actually do it? Did he take responsibilty and stop doing drugs when he got his kids? No Did he take responsibilty when he left drugs out for the dogs to eat it and get sick? No Did he and AH take responsibilty and walk their dogs or get a dogwalker? NO (they let them shit on the floor and on the furnitures and except for that being really disgusting its also animal abuse from them both) But I guess it ok as long as he 'talks' about taking responsibilty 🙄
@@karatekaninen3045 I think what OP meant when they said he "talked about taking responsibility" was that he did take responsibility for what he did. He admitted to things he has done while Amber has not and very clearly denies everything.
@@pencilsniper I'm sorry but admitting to things and then keep doing them again and again and again is not taking responsibilty None of them have taken real responsibilty for their behavour against the other, and they wont as long as they have friends, family and fans enabling their behaviour
@@karatekaninen3045 But the point there trying to make is, is that he ADMITTED to it.. i understand what your saying but we not talking about that, is the fact that at least johnny will admit to it, while amber will go on and make a story around it and not answer only in her form and she's never to blame for anything.
@@karatekaninen3045 Enabling? So you're blaming the people around them for not taking responsibility for what they do? That's not right at all. Nobody is responsible for anything anyone does except the ppl who are committing these acts. Johnny *HAS* taken responsibility for what he has done and he admitted to what he has done. I don't think you comprehend what I said before. He seems to be out of that dark place he was in, meaning he has taken responsibility. Now he's able to stand up for himself and speak up. He has great ppl around him and he looks and seems to be doing a lot better. Amber on the other hand *HAS NOT.* She keeps lying even after all of the proof that has been presented. She made up more stories and lies on top of all of those. She's not a reliable person. She can't even admit or take any responsibility for anything she has done wrong to anyone and blames everyone else for her wrong doings. And everyone she is around now looks like they're all on drugs. It's sad.
Both Camille and Ben's emotion felt so genuine. They believed their client, and knowing the law was against them, fought to help a man get his life back. They knew the facts were with them. Thank you to the team for fighting for Johnny, and for the truth.
You know I'm super late with this, but I just now clocked that when Cammile said "no further questions" in cross ex and walked off while Amber was still raving, it was a huge power move and trigger for her not wanting people walking away from her arguments.
So impressed by you! You remind me so much of my daughter who passed at age 24. You’re like watching her on a 20 year fast forward to your age! She loved the law, cursy words, and she had purple hair on and off through college & grad school! Heartwarming - and super, super coverage!
Listening to the first few sentences of AH's closing and I'm already like, "How is drinking in front of and doing drugs with your husband and allowing your friends and family to do drugs with your husband doing everything to get him through addiction?"
I wish in the closing JD’s team would have thought to emphasise that if AH was concerned about her husband’s addictions (which AH team harped so much about) why didn’t JD’s team mentioned her addictions and her luck of support to help him with his??? Specially since “the monster” came back during his “circle” 🙄
@@gracenurse3365no. She claimed as well as everyone else on her side that he was an acholic, even tho alcohol seems to not be his actual problem, but opioids. He was trying to be sober from all of it. The one thing he was doing was smoking weed and cigarettes.
The most worrying thing about the high profile status of this case is that if Amber wins it will open up so many opportunities for people with the same tendencies as her. It would impact society beyond belief. It's about justice for all true victims in the past, present and the future.
exactly!!! that's why it's important for Johnny to win. Many people say that it's not important since the world already believed him, but I guess it's not enough!!
As a mother of boys it is terrifying to me that it could be that easy to ruin someone’s life. Should you just be able to claim something and say in your mind it happened and then you have a first amendment right to defame someone?
Very good point. I said a couple of weeks ago that this case is so important on so many levels because if Johnny wins it will set a precedent for abused men but if Amber wins, it will be an absolutely devastating day for abused men but also another blow to the justice system and public faith in it and that's really, really bad.
@@amethystfeathers7324 I so agree with you. As Runkle on the Bailey has stated, there are no abuse shelters for men and men with children and if JD won, this would be a huge impact on society to do something about it. When I worked in a hospital,one of my coworkers told me he was abused by his wife and he couldn't defend himself because she could easily tell the cops that he abused her. And this man was 6 ft tall and his wife was 5ft 4in. I was so shocked and sad. He was thinking of suicide-as the only way out because he was so ashamed. I cried that night after my shift. I alerted the E.R. psych nurse the next day and she called him into the office and took it from there. This was in 1992.
This happened Six years to the day Amber filed the TRO...on his daughter's birthday. I can only imagine how his daughter felt to know this case is attached to her birth date. I hope Johnny gets justice and that May 27th becomes a beautiful day yet again for Father and Daughter.
This is an interesting fact. But then it's nothing surprising. Narcissists love to make themselves center of attention. They love to snatch limelight and importance from others so as to focus on them.
So, a grown man is throwing a tantrum like a child, destroying property, and the only thing you can think of is, "She's not even scared." How the fuck do you know what she's feeling inside? What he did in that kitchen is a form of abuse.
@@themaskedman221 nope. Not abuse at all. She had 24hr security literally outside, she had 911, she had her bestie next door, and James Franco in next building ... she clearly had ample time to set up her Ipad while Jonny was banging cupboards (understandably upset as he found out his lawyer/accountant had stolen money) .... the clips of her gleefully smirking before and after (when she setup and removes the device) was omitted. Now ... is shouting nice? No, we can agree. But if he was so ‘abusive’ ... why did she break the TRO to visit Jonny and beg to just touch him again? Wasn’t she scared for her life then? Her entire story is full of inconsistencies and holes.
Why didn't she just leave the kitchen area when it was apparent that he was upset over something? Even when he caught her filming him, he did not strike her. In fact, he was the one who left the kitchen.
@@JDAfrica Maybe this is how adult men act in your trailer park, but this is not normal behavior, and it absolutely is a form of abuse. If you knew anything about domestic violence you'd know that it's not limited to physical abuse, and in fact most domestic violence isn't physical, but emotional and psychological - screaming, swearing, insulting, destroying property etc. Behavior that Depp has undeniably engaged in. "Now ... is shouting nice? No, we can agree." You're an idiot. Call up your teachers and demand a refund.
@@themaskedman221 his mother was dying. she was egging him on. yes, he shouldn't have banged those cabinets around. but that's also not typical of his behavior from what we've seen. it is however, very much apart of her normal behavior. they're also saying she wasn't scared because it was later revealed that Amber was smirking and laughing at the end of that video. she clearly wasn't scared, and from what we have seen of this trial she was never scared of him. she was laughing at his emotional distress.
I like how Camille and Ben just stood at the podium and read out the facts. They didn't need to pace around and lecture and explain everything; they just let all the evidence speak for itself. I feel like it was a lot more impactful and captivating than Elaine's - and some of Rottenborn's - closing.
Re writing the narrative is awful. I heard it so many times I lost complete respect for anything he said. If was on the jury I would of just switched off from his speech
Elaine’s closing sounds like me trying to explain the entire plot of Game of Thrones to my mum in under 3 minutes! It feels like when I read a book when I’m really tired, I’m seeing the words but they’re not registering, in one ear out the other!
In my experience as an attorney, the more a lawyer uses "clearly", "obviously", and "you KNOW that...", the less clear, obvious, or legally known things are.
Unfortunately there's more than a slim chance a couple of people got on the jury who did know who she is and believed her, and nothing was going to change their minds. All they need is a weaselly defence argument on the letter of the law, for the jury to hang.
yeah, I'm in the same boat. I took her word for it too. I felt so stupid after watching the trial. My mind got changed real quickly, but I feel like an asshole. :/
@@izzeypally you shouldn’t feel like an asshole! We all took her claims seriously at first. No one wants to believe a person would go to a court house with a fake bruise and blatantly lie about being the survivor of the horrific acts of abuse she described. She is the one at fault. She took advantage of the work so many activists and survivors of DV have done to make it possible to be believed and supported in our society. She took advantage of all the goodwill people are willing to give to anyone claiming to be a survivor. She’s the only one making it harder for DV survivors to come forward. I myself even questioned if someone would accuse me of pulling an “Amber Heard” next time I told my story. You did nothing wrong because you listened to the facts and changed your mind to what you believed to be right based on that evidence. You went into these allegations with an open mind and were willing to hear both sides. That’s more than half of what these so called journalists have done and continue to do after the trial. Don’t beat yourself up for wanting to be compassionate to someone who you initially believed to be telling the truth.
@@izzeypally You shouldn't feel bad. When someone tells you they've been abused, your initial reaction SHOULD be to believe them, just like you would believe people if they told you they had been mugged. Please don't let Amber, an abuser, change your attitude towards victims reporting abuse. Most of them are telling the truth, and shouldn't be met with doubt. The best society can in abuse cases is react like you did: believe, but verify.
It’s genuinely so interesting how I was balling from a 10 second clip of Ben Chew choking up but sat through hours of testimony of Amber crying and shed not one tear …and this was when I watched the trial in real time and even now a year later 👏🏾
They’re saying Amber apologizing because that’s what victims do, but using Johnny’s apologies as “proof” he was the abuser. Talking out of both sides of their mouths
I think that both JD and Ah need to take responsiblty for their behavour against eachother, so far I have not seen that I just see them blame the other and declare themself to be all innocent wich is not true for any of them
@@user-et2ng1qb2m Nor was she implying that he had ever hit her in any of those recordings. You would think at least once there would be an "I'm sorry I hit you, but you hit me first" out of her at least once if he had ever hit her.
@@karatekaninen3045 jd has apologized for his behavior he said he is not a Saint and owned his mistakes, alcohol abuse, drug abuse and for talking in an awful manner to amber heard but he never physically or sexually abused her it's amber who claimed she never did anything wrong that's why I believe johnny more than amber and also the evidence talks for itself.
@@babyangelally He has not taken responsibilty for has behavour(and neither has AH for that matter) an addict saying sorry over an dover again and then doing the same thing over and over again is not behing honest
The problem for Team Heard is that it's nearly all "she said x is what happened". Where Team Depp has recordings, confirmed by Amber to be her voice, admitting to being violent, and saying abusive things. Even Ambers own Dr Hughes testimony was "she told me this". And Dr Curry was like a prophet, nailing exactly how Ambers testimony would play out. Amber brought a sword to the fight, but Johnny had an army.
If Amber had just written honestly about her experiences she could have gained a lot more sympathy. If she'd talked about how difficult it was to live with JD's drug problem, and how his harsh words and slamming things about the house felt intimidating at times she could have spoken for lots of people in that situation. She lost the public with the hysterics and embellishments.
Yes! And she takes no accountability, she tries to come off as little miss innocent. She would have prob not been attacked if she came in saying yes we both were toxic i am not innocent by no means etc… never mind the outright lying but her true colors and personality came out to the world
Right! I love JD, but I believe he's no angel and would be hard to live with(with the drugs and what not). But her saying he was a hell beast of unimaginable horrors...girl stop.
100%. I've got alcoholic parents and it IS really hard to deal with people with addictions. I can fully believe that dealing with his drug issues etc was challenging, whatever behaviour they did cause.
I had not watched Elaine’s closing until this week. That was the rambling of a woman who knew they had lost that jury and was desperately trying to get them to believe her. It was like she was testifying the whole case all over again. The poor jurors I know they had to be done.
When Ben Chew retorted to rottenborn who tried to misrepresent Kate Moss’s testimony it was powerful. That single moment proved, Ben, Johnny and his entire team stand for TRUTH!
"that's *exactly* what she testified to" and the little glare over his shoulder sent me. So very Ben Chew in it's delivery. I love this entire team, they're amazing lawyers.
Remember, we’re talking about 5 penthouse apartments…the entire top two floors of the swankiest high rise in LA…ONE ENTIRE PENTHOUSE was her closet. ANOTHER entire penthouse was her sister’s FREE apartment. ANOTHER entire penthouse was his best friend’s place. ANOTHER entire place was Josh and Rocky’s place. He beat up his OWN kitchen. She had an ENTIRE ROOMFUL OF DESIGNER HANDBAGS on racks he tipped over after she punched him in the face.
But she couldn't follow thru & donate the money to children's hospitals as she said but instead she lied over & over to keep it. Her greed is beyond words. But remember as she said, she didnt want anything but to be free from Johnny. Yeah right!!
I swear, if I had that kind of money, I would just rent designer clothes-especially considering that lifestyle assumes you're not supposed to get caught wearing the same thing twice. That way, money not spent on all that extra stuff could be used to help people and invest with. At least the property is an investment.
Umbridge's closing argument feels like when you get stopped in the grocery store by a crazy stranger that wants to tell you their life story and no matter how much you nod and smile while trying to leave them in the aisle they follow you throughout the store...
@@anonnyanonymous4800 Another good question: Who starts abusing people in their 50's? Then beats someone for 5 years without leaving 1 mark that can't be covered by make-up? On a woman who is constantly photographed. Not 1 picture in 5 years except for the one that showed up when she filed for a restraining order and then disappeared the next day.
As a survivor of child abuse, child sexual abuse, sexual assault, marital rape and domestic violence, this trial has been riveting. I have complex PTSD, something Amber Heard claims to have. I routinely am excused from jury duty because I cannot be composed in a courtroom. I was 11 when I read my diary aloud as testimony, during my own child molestation case, in a Los Angeles Circuit Court. Amber sits smirking. Amber has not shed a tear, where I would be sobbing and shaking. The statements about the Me Too movement and the entire closing statements of the Depp legal team, had me moved to tears.
As someone that's not familiar with trials, Camille's statement broke it down in a way that anyone could understand. Elaine confused the eff out of me.
AH’s side’s closing arguments were nuts, I felt like we were being retold the *entire* trial (gaslight version)… and Rottenborn’s appeal to the first amendment just felt cheap, like playing on party politics over the actual facts of the case.
Complete agreement. The first amendment argument might have made more sense if that's what they were appealing to during the trial. But the tactics during the trial didn't match the closing arguments on their side.
Unfortunately they are playing to where they are, Virginia. A more conservative area where an argument of free speech may gain more attention than if it was in New York or California.
@@Busstavo You may know more than me about the specifics of this, but I live in VA and that area is actually pretty liberal. It's right outside of D.C. The more conservative part is in mid and southern VA.
@@Busstavo For all I knew you could've been a political researcher lol. I don't live in that part of VA so I'm just sharing what I know. Some parts of VA are super liberal and others are extremely conservative. I think that's why we're usually a swing state.
The defense's closing made me feel really icky at how they were misrepresenting evidence and misrepresenting the instructions to the jury. I think Rottenborn started strong with his opening statements, but once he started getting into the details, it fell apart for me.
For me, it's his delivery that ruins it for me. He did say the things he needed to say, but he goes too fast and runs over his own point. He also didn't stop when he said something powerful. But, then again, Elaine's unhinged closing would make anyone sound good.
He should have just stopped after his initial statements, 90% of Rottenborn’s closing was absolutely awful. I completely tuned out after a while. Trying to make fetch happen, ugh…
If I was a juror, that would confuse me. I assumed that lawyers always told the truth about the law before this trial. I'm really shocked at how much they can lie and get away with it.
I was appalled when Rottenborn indicated we would be “accomplices” if we didn’t find Amber not liable. Really?!? Seriously?!? I guess that would also include him and the whole defense team as well. SMH
I'm watching this back. Camille is my hero! She was incredible during this closing argument. This solidified everything in my mind, that Johnny is not a domestic abuser!
So it’s okay for her to laugh and smirk while Camille is doing her closing, but Rottenborn is claiming JD is terrible for smiling while the “bad video played”🙄🙄
Both sides have been so hypocritical, both the lawyers but mostly the fanatic fans of JD and AH. Both Jd and AH have been smiling and laughing in court but according to those obsessed fans it's ok when he/she do it and a proof of him/her being guilty 🙄
@@karatekaninen3045 He laughs mostly whenever there’s absurd lies being thrown. And he laughs whenever Amber heard steam takes his words absolutely the wrong way just like the sexting messages About her throat. It wasn’t abusive Context it was in sexual context.
@@strat4096 That's why Heard fans are making a big deal out people commenting on her laughing. They feel like that means people are saying that abuse survivors are never allowed to move on and rise above the abuse. Personally, I find _when_ she laughs to be odd. It appears like laughing at inappropriate moments, to me. Depp appears to laugh when something is funny or, like X said, absurd. But, most all of the court footage I've seen has been from this channel so maybe I missed Depp also laughing at inappropriate moments.
A star of Aqua man had the alleged evidence of violence against johnny Depp why didn't she go public then instead of waiting till the divorce, Any women in her public position or not raped with or without a bottle would seek medical treatment, and the restraint order pending domestic violence charges. She did nothing she didn't leave him she begged him not to leave ? Showed no physical evidence in any photos following the alleged attacks
As someone who has been a layleader for many non-profits over the past 25 years, I am DISGUSTED by Elaine's presentation about donations/pledges. Shameful!
Let's be fair... yes, slamming and smashing things around somebody is abuse. Sure is. IF, and I mean IF, he came to her and started slamming and smashing shit in the room where she was, intentionally in her close proximity, to intimidate her. Is that what we see here? Or do we see a man who left the room she was in, went to a different part of his house, had a fit in his own kitchen against his own belongings believing he was alone, and she came to where he was and decided to record and then antagonize him while he was clearly needing space? I don't understand how this very big distinction was never addressed in court.
1,000% accurate. She choose to come in the that room , set up the camera and then start bullshit about their relationship trying to make him look bad when he is clearly in distress. She is the absolute worst
Let's just throw away any favor for Depp for a second. If I'm walking into that jury room, I'd say: "Look, AH's side keeps misrepresenting all kinds of things. They say admitting to something they never did is just what victims do, yet they misrepresent JD's apologies to be about physical violence. There are massive gaping holes in their story. They keep trying to make arguments that they then contradict. I don't know about you, but why would you need your lawyers to be disingenuous if you're just telling the truth? Why would you need to tell little lies or portray yourself as a saint? If you're actually honest with me, why lie, why tell half-truths, why be condescending, why change your mind constantly about the facts, why do you need to misrepresent anything?" If AH is actually telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, she wouldn't need to lie, she wouldn't need to change her recollection of the facts every two minutes, she wouldn't need to allude to far-fetched theories of amazingly brilliant makeup application that are even indetectable with HD flash photos and harsh lighting. She wouldn't need her lawyers to be so condescending half the time, she wouldn't need her lawyers to misrepresent evidence, she wouldn't need the "come fight me, bro" attitude. Also, if she is actually so vulnerable and crying during direct, why on earth would she be so strong and entitled on cross? Wouldn't she just break down? I would. I might be strongly disagreeing but it would be with tears in my eyes. I simply couldn't hide it and I certainly would be too shaken up to magically recover from my emotion in a mere second.
His worst mistake was and has been marrying her. Little did he never could see it coming. A young thirsty upcoming artist would utilized him, mistreated him and disposed him later on. She has destroyed him, her family and friends and herself along. A self destroying machine... is what she is.
She will self destruct herself in life if she doesn’t get help for her lying, blaming, personality disorders and any mental ones. She needs some deep therapy. As does Depp, but she’s going down a very slippery slope…. Scary
Johnny gave Vanessa $150 million when he left that relationship. Think about that. They weren’t married and I think they lived in France with their children. There are many implications to be derived from that.
Actually, it can be mental abuse to have a spouse that suddenly goes into an uncontrollable rage and destroys your home. Again and again. Every thing you have and do to make a cozy home ripped away by someone who is either always angry or sedated on drugs. You are never safe in your own home, you can never bring people home, because you never know which state he is in. You can never plan anything or go anywhere as he half of the time is drugged and half asleep. While I do believe Heard suffered mental abuse, I doubt all the rest. I think she thought that “only mental abuse” was not enough to get world wide attention, so she made up the rest.
Seems to me she injected herself in to his situation there. She could have walked the other direction but she enjoyed winding him up. He didn't see her long game.
I didn’t think that re watching Depp’s closing arguments 5 months later would make me emotional again 😢 So grateful of Camille and Ben and all the team
Imagine if this was the other way around. If this was JD saying this to AH. Like damn Ms. Camille… THAT. RIGHT. THERE. The double standard is so beyond disgusting. The fact that she can openly speak about punching him, and think it’s ok, is ridiculous.
Yes thank you. Plus, I find it so worrying that people are like "okay, even if he is the victim, why is he going after her so hard? Why don't just write a book and profit off of it?" Like WHAT. If the victim was a woman, we'd all be cheering for her going after her abuser. so now why are we asking of him to just let it go?
More importantly…even when he bring up her hitting him…she never once, that I have heard, mentions him hitting her. That only violence she talks about is figurative violence of how much she hates him leaving.
Can you imagine what tiny tidbits, carefully selected, would have been presented in mainstream media and most would believe it? 🙈 Oh wait... Glad I can form my own conclusion by watching everything unfold in real-time and unfiltered.
@@ada_pink exactly we would only see the photoshopped pictures of her crying on the stand and the Vogue article saying because she’s a woman we should believe her 🙄 the MSM has been crafting the narrative in her favor even though we’ve all seen the trial. They blatantly lie about the evidence even when they know people can watch for themselves and easily find out it’s not true. It’s insane how easily they lie, thinking we will be stupid enough to take them at their word. I can’t imagine what they would say if the trial wasn’t publicized! Funny Amber talks about Johnny being protected by powerful institutions when all I’ve seen is people blatantly lying to cover for her.
All trials with a few exceptions should be televised. The MSM has already done a terrible job of covering this, and I often wonder if they are watching what we are!!
@@mr.pillow7023 Yes, this really shows how twisted MSM is. I knew they were always exaggerating things, but this trial still shocked me by how blatantly they LIE. And that in a case were people can actually watch it themselves and KNOW they lie. So what else am I supposed to believe from now on? Guess I'm now too in the camp of people who seriously distrust MSM in everything. 🙈
@@edgeworldpictures6831 what?? Lmao that has nothing to do with the closing statement being contradictory to their own clients (who has committed perjury multiple times) testimony...
The thing that really solidified that Amber was lying for me, is how often her friends and sister, who claimed they knew JD was abusing her, is how often people left her alone with him. There is no way I would ever leave anyone I know, alone with a partner I know to be abusive.
So, Amber ALWAYS wears makeup to cover up her bruises? She NEVER leaves the house with her bruises exposed? Then why didn't she wear makeup to cover her bruises when she was photographed by TMZ?
She was already wearing makeup. The bruise itself was makeup. I've bruised my cheek before from not watching what I was doing (I really did hit a cabinet door). It didn't just miraculously appear or disappear. And makeup didn't cover it. I tried that. But I didn't use a bruise kit, so that may have been the problem... and I used arnica mixed with vitamin E&D to help heal it faster.
@@LatinaLatina1011 - it's definitely grating on the ear drums. I couldn't listen because it made my tinnitus way worse. I turned on subtitles... never laughed so hard at the transcription in my life. I know that there's no way that everything was transcribed word for word.
No makeup will cover a bruise completely unless it's SUPER heavy stage makeup in the right lighting. It would be apparent one was wearing heavy makeup. I know, I've tried. Plus bruising also causes swelling.
He took responsibility, for a number of his faults on the stand. Amber on the other hand, never, not once, did she admit to anything! Elaine wants us to believe that our eyes are ears are lying!
@@MegaSuziek no...because it didn't happen! He took responsibility for what he actually did...not the insane, unbelievable stories he's been accused of.
@@lauraburger1272 She only admitted to hitting him on the stairs and agreed that she called him names when confronted with audio of herself saying those things. Everything else she's done, that people have witnessed....including the DV arrest she had for assaulting her ex wife, she has denied and weasled away from answering. She also MAJORLY downplayed HER drug use calling cocaine, shrooms, and mdma "laughy" drugs....but when Johnny takes them he's a monster. She doesn't admit to any faults that she doesn't want people to see....even with hard evidence staring her in the face. THAT'S why people can't stand her...she lies even about small, insignificant details and it makes her look non believable and cold.
If I was a juror I wouldn’t care for being told “you KNOW” this or that. I’ll decide what I KNOW, Elaine. Elaine and her frenetic pace makes me dizzy and slightly nauseated. Poor closing choice.
Think not only is Elaine a victim of Heards abuse but also must be very stressed & sleep deprived. Like Emily said, Heard is running the show for her Attorneys & Elaine’s having a hard time trying to make that happen. Not only is Heard ruining Johnnys life but she ruining Elaine’s Reputation too !! 😢
@@cherokeegrandma4135 Elaine chose to take on Heard. I have zero sympathy for her and her incompetence. I also resent her because her Closing argument was such a babbling run on mess that she had to go to the Bench a bunch of times after an objection, then she had to go back and correct herself.
I think it’s funny that they say that “if Johnny hit her just once, that’s abuse and amber wins” But amber admitted to hitting Johnny “in self defense” but is it not ok for Johnny to defend himself? I just think her lawyers are so shady!
I got confused when he said "even if just something he said was abusive, amber wins". I was like what? Its the claims of physical and sexual abuse that are defamatory, everyone accepts there was insults from both. I swear he even said "even if you dont think johnny abused her", and I was like wait excuse me.
Coming back to watch. I love that the podium they are standing at for closing is Ben Chew’s late mothers. Ben brought it in so they had SOMETHING but not the big podium they been talking from. And I love that Ben let ambers team stand at it as well for their closing. Class act man.
And Ben even had a small plush Alpaca inside the small podium drawer too! 😂 It was only Afterwards that he told RottenBorn about his "good luck charm"! 😅 I love Ben chew!
Johnny’s lawyers used their closing to wrap up their case and gave a coherent overview. AH lawyers tried to retry the case during their closing. Which in my opinion is why they ran out of time
Rottenborn has strong closing argument but it felt like he doesn’t have a sort of ‘emotional’ connection with Amber, it doesn’t feel like he was there fighting for Amber but rather he was there because he wants to win this case for himself and build a reputation for him and show the world he is a good lawyer. Ben and Camille, on the other hand, you can see and feel they were there to fight for Johnny. There is more depth, more substance.
I agree, Ben and Camille feel like people going to bat for a person, rottenborn and Elaine feel like lawyers in the way we joke about lawyers in media, twisty snakes
@@norahdacy3790 apparently elaine was crying after the court had ended. som of the people who stayed there to see if there was anything cool gonna happen after the trial said they saw elaine run to the bathroom crying and then when she came out she had a red nose as if she was crying alot. the people there comforted her and said they know she ain't a bad person and that she is only doing her job and that it must be so hard to defend somebody like AH. and elaine said thank you and smiled. i think AH lawyers don't like her ether and know how bad this is for them. personally i'm conflicted. on one side i think shady practices in the court room are bad but on the other hand it can be important when there is a real case when it's needed.
I'm truly believe Ben, Camille and Johnny have already bond great friendship before trials. Johnny will definitely invite them and their families to his vacation property after this.
Cammile had the tears get me when she mentioned that dv is a story heard too many times, but that it’s not Ambers story. For some reason that hit me in the feels. Well, I know the reason. I watched it happen to my sister. I ran to her house when her nose truely was broken by a purposeful headbutt, and I assure you, ice doesn’t fix that in a quick 24 hours. It can take weeks.
Wow @chumpress, your comment turned my stomach. It brought tears to my eyes recalling my ex partner karate kick me in the face, ( he did martial arts , so knew exactly what he was doing ), his whole foot came straight into my nose. My nose EXPLODED , the pain was searing, the shock and total disbelief soon kicked in when I saw the copious amounts of blood, just pouring from my nose, like a garden hosepipe had been turned on full. My eyes in two hours were both deep blue, my nose scarlet red, and the septum swelled more than double the size, I couldn’t breathe through it, it was that swollen. Ice made zero difference, as it’s such an awkward place to hold ice to it. The remorse came fast, the panic to witness what he had done, he was scared I would tell the police, but by then, I was too entrenched in the coverup, it was my fault for winding him up, why couldn’t I just do things the way all wives are supposed to, what am I making a fuss over, it was a tap. I truly believe he still thinks to this day, that he was the perfect man, and I should have been grateful to have caught such a catch, that yes we had ups and downs, but so did most couples 🙈🙈🙈 I would say you couldn’t write it, but Amber Heard has just done that very same thing today in court, she has tried to convince herself, she was perfect in the relationship, that the verbal abuse was just banter, and the physical abusive, just a woman having a physical fight , with a man, who clearly is a gentleman, and he just wouldn’t give in to her idea of him being a , “ Real Man “ !!! and refused to use violence ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I feel Johnny opening up his incredibly personal life details, and even giving the world access to inside his mind from psychaitry notes when he has always been such a private person has done so much more than just bring peace to himself for clearing the Injustice against his name - he has shone the light for abused men, women & children. He's given victims who never had a voice the chance to feel "heard" & gave those who'd not experienced it, insight & understanding. I hope this leads to a more compassionate world where abused will feel safer to speak up & feel "understood"
Vasquez and Chew had me listening to every word. Rottenborn had me with the law, but then the rest of it they just kinda lost me. Like you and Runkle said, Depp's team shows you how much they believe in their client compared to Heard's.
I served on a jury once - a murder case - and it's such a relief to walk into the jury room and be able to talk to your fellow jurors, FINALLY. You spend, in my case, a week and a half, avoiding or simply making small talk with the people you sit next to everyday in the jury box. It's a weird dynamic, because you're all strangers, yet you're supposed to reach a decision as a whole. It is weird, it feels weird... and I can't even imagine what six/seven weeks of it looks or feels like. But I am happy for the jury, that they can now convene, discuss and come to a consensus to put this thing to rest.
The closing agreement for JD side made me feel comfortable enough to call a lawyer finally. I know it sounds stupid but my ex is an abuser and abused not only me but my child i had with him and his other 3 kids i took care of.. and did everything to protect. Hearing Johnny's lawyers speak about all of that truly made me able to write a statement for a protection order while I'm going for full custody and what I want to ask the lawyer incase things go to court in any way
Thank you guys for your support. Frankly its all just scary... me being only 22 atm and him being 36.. but all that matters is making it safer for my child in the world no matter what it takes. Watching this trial has been so hard (and so many others) and made me not want to talk to my lawyer because of the anxiety and pure panic it caused me...all the "what ifs". Im just happy I have the strength now.
Rewatching this a year later, and I still can’t believe what a trainwreck Elaine was. I would feel bad for Amber for having such a bad lawyer if Amber herself wasn’t so awful.
Well, to give her a little benefit of the doubt, Camille was an absolute rockstar. Elaine was much more like 99% of real world lawyers. Also, one might reasonably suspect that AH is lording over her own case and dictating what her lawyers did. One might suspect that Elaine has a bats**t client.
Funfact: Rottenborn used like 1 hour and 15 minutes and Elaine used around 40 minutes, according to the timestamps on the stream. So it wasn't Elaine who burned their time, it just felt that way. And yes, it still feels that way for me as I rewatch this a year later xD (No, I'm not defending Elaine.)
@@serenetivI think that's what made Elaine so frazzled-- Rottenborn's waste of time-- so she was scattered and stressed? Who knows lol Elaine was a hot mess. Her and amber deserve each other imo.
@@AmandaPaige71 I mean, she was all over the place in her opening, too. But I think Rottenborn had a different plan than Amber and Elaine tried to take her wishes into account more or something ^^' But I agree xD
As someone who had endured a "real" 11 yr marriage where a lot of this was my life amber really should seek help. I hope she does for her child's sake, she's truly disturbed. My testimony was done in chambers due to me not being able to recount the stuff that happened in front of my ex. Prayers and strength to all the survivors of DV IPRV or any a***e of any kind 💜💜💜💜
She seriously has a way of offending actual people who have and are are now living with an abusive partner. Her personality disorders are so obvious to victims. We have all seen our abusers act like that. Example: Yes. That’s true. I pledged 7 million. That was classic “you didn’t see and hear what you claim. Another example: You weren’t “punched” Jawney. I hit you. You weren’t punched. Minimizing your reality.
she should have kept this private - why tell the world except for defamation - if he wasn't Depp she would have. It's truly disgusting that she aired their dirty laundry - based on that one thing alone, I don't have sympathy for her
@@Grace-ht3qz she didn't just "air out the dirty laundry" she created the damn laundry lol one thing that bothers me so damn much with this case, people saying they are both toxic or that the abuse was equal. I just cant see how anyone could believe a single word she says. It's clear he was responding to being abused and that's not fair to hold against him. She said insane stuff and none of it happened, I'd to fucking crazy too.
When Ben and Camille were doing their closing arguments, I teared up both times. I think they both did great! When Rottonborn and Elaine were presenting, I felt icky and like they were trying to manipulate me. I get the whole "in the light most favorable" to their witness but it felt more like they were trying to twist the facts around to where they were just different.
Exactly this .....I felt real feelings & emotion from his team , they are not only representing him but they believe and stand behind every word their saying . Her team made me feel like they were twisting the truth .
I got confused…I felt like Rottenborn and Elaine were both attempting to re-try their case before the jury whereas, Camille and Ben spoke to the evidence that supported their case.
The huge difference between Amber in the recordings, to the prim and proper one who is sitting in the courtroom is like day and night! I can't believe a word she says!
Regarding all of his texts of apologies to Amber: In my opinion he is apologizing for his drug use and drinking. Nowhere is he apologizing for physically harming her. He is ashamed of himself for falling off the waggon time and time again.
Yes… I also feel like in these types of relationships you might feel guilty or use that feeling to try and solve problems. Imagine if there’s constant fights, there would be also constant strategies to cope (from both sides). Johnny Depp has been quite accepting on him being a mess in various aspects, she on the other side seems defensive and even agressive… I obviously cannot know exactly, but… it looks to me he would be always apologizing, firstly because he felt he could do better at his addiction as you said, secondly to make the situation calmer. To generate a reconciliation or get to a good moment when the relationship was non toxic.
I often talk to people that are in my life daily through text, in person, and over the phone. I think relying solely on the words in the messages for the context of that conversation doesn't make sense. They should have discussed and asked for outside context. Apologies could be for drinking, drug use, slamming a door, saying something hurtful, or anything really. Sure, you can interpret that as an apology for physical abuse, but without discussing the context around that text, how would you know, ROTTENBORN?? Also, Rottenborn literally states that abused parties will apologise for things that arent their fault or responsibility. MAYBE some of those apology texts were for things he didn't do but still felt guilty for, like when someone throws a tantrum and throws something that hits someone, that hit person might apologise for being in the way of the throw instead of admitting that the thing was thrown AT them BY the person having the fit.
He's not apologizing for hitting her because it didn't happen. All those hidden recordings and she never caught it? All the security guards and friends that say they never saw a mark on her? It never happened. So what if hes apologizing for his drunken outbursts? That doesn't mean he hit her and is hiding it. SHEs the one who was recorded saying "I started a physical fight, I was hitting you" and SHE is the one who others testified was the one hitting and berrating the other. You can't apologize for what didn't happen, but at least he apologized for something. More than Amber can say
I have a really good feeling that it will be ruled in Depps favor. The day of the closing statements is exactly 6yrs to the day since she said it. I don't believe in coincidences as everything happens for a reason. Camille said it best when she something like "Six yrs ago he was accused of abuse so he should be vindicated"
Absolutely. He's been open about the level to which he has screwed up, the drugs he's used, the drinking, the text messages, the fact that he was ashamed and regretful about the language used. He has acknowledged a heck of a lot. She has acknowledged nothing, unless she could point the finger at someone else. Unless she could say "I did this because Johnny did this", she didn't admit anything.
Courts should take cases in camera because it is too dangerous not to. After seeing how the MSM gaslights & lies to the public, imagine what they would have said if we didn’t see it. It’s exposed so much. Great job Emily, ur channel is education & entertainment.
The start of Rottenborn’s closing was seemingly powerful stuff, until you realise none of it actually applies to AH. As he continued, I found it difficult listening to him tbh, had to switch off. AH’s lies have been exposed. One only hopes the jury will reach the same conclusion.
The “woe is me” pitiful look on AH’s face during Elaine’s rambling, is ridiculous. I hope the jury decides that JD needs to be fully redeemed. That poor man.
Agreed! The exaggerated pitiful look she does where she sucks in her chin and lower lip drives me up the wall! Then she’ll abruptly sneer and do fake smiles, then immediately back to the pitiful look. She’s a complete fraudster and psychopath!
@#PrisonForJohnnyDepp Prison for JD? That’s a bit much. He’s owned up to his wrong doings, unlike AH, who has denied everything. EVERYONE else is lying, right? She’s the only one telling the truth. BS. She’s been called out, and instead of admitting to her lies, she’s claiming even worse. If anyone should get locked up, its AH. She is the abuser. SHE hit him. SHE threw the bottles, cutting off his finger.
@#PrisonForJohnnyDepp I was going to call you an idiot but after looking at your channel, I can't tell if you're fucking with people or if you're just plain crazy.
I can’t lie this is very emotional, that man sustained abuse as a child, and adult,but still showed love care and concern for his predators.. The most high is with you Jonny💜 love you so much
Elaine reminds me of an elderly relative at a Thanksgiving dinner party who had a little bit to much wine and is telling everyone at the table the most uncomfortable past story in a very exaggerating manner..
His whole team seem genuinely fighting for Depp. They appear to really like him. AH team ,especially the male lawyers never comfort her, never look sympathetic to her , Depps lawyers all comfort him , smile at him, etc constantly throughout the trial
The professionalism between lawyers for AH and JD are as night and day just like the experts.. its crazyyyy ! AH's lawyers testifying and mischaracterising evidence...awful 🤯
The difference between the teams of lawyers was never so stark then in these closing arguments. It was like night and day. The one thing I noticed and have to criticize is Heard’s teams reliance on Ambers testimony. Half their closing arguments was “amber said this” or “amber showed us that”. I think Johnny’s team discredited her so badly in court that these statements are practically meaningless without evidence to back it up.
Well they Had to say Amber said this and that because that's pretty much all the "evidence" they had to go on as there was either zero evidence or fabricated. I would feel sorry for them (and actually was sorry to hear Elaine was heard crying in the restroom after) but they really did have some dirty tactics and were extremely rude and bullish to many people in stark contrast to Team Depp
See how when someone gets choked up (like Ben) you immediately feel it? 1:47:28 I’ve Never felt that while listening to Amber. Never. That’s what hits home for me.
Same, when I was listening to it yesterday I started getting teary eyed just hearing his voice. He and Camille should be so proud of them self’s. They way they have behaved and presented has been nothing more than class. 👏
Rottenborn is a good lawyer representing a bad client. Everything he said initially is correct....only problem is that she doesn't have evidence is fine but JD's team having evidence to the contrary.
I think Ben Chu was just as surprised at his emotional moment as the rest of us were. And immediately I was in tears as well. That felt very real. Wow.
I like how Rottenborn first said that Johnny refuses to take accountability and blames everyone else, then reads text messages of Johnny taking accountability and apologizing for his behavior. Nice one
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Yes and Amber nor admitted or humbled herself not even once.
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All about projection, and her lack of insight and accountability for her violence and abuse. AH has been doing that all along. "I'm sorry I upset you." -- Johnny Depp. Rottenborn gaslighting. Just like his client.
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“It’s about restoring his lost reputation. It’s about showing to Lilly Rose & Jack that the truth is worth fighting for” …. Damn! I can’t hold my tears. Watching from Brisbane 🇦🇺 Australia at early 3am my time.
A better plan if he wants to be a good father to his children is to go to rehab.
@@VallerieMalkin that isn't why we've been here for 6 weeks, Vallerie. This is a different matter.
That hasn’t worked. He’s looked worse, like he did at the last trial. The last trial lost him his roles. It’s obvious
@@VallerieMalkin they’re discussing matters from 6+ years ago, JD said on the stand that he had overcome his opiate addiction and he remains off the pills to this day. Beyond that, we have absolutely no reason to believe he is STILL abusing substances to this day, because all of the testimony was, again, referencing 6+++ years ago.
That said, as someone who has overcome opiate addiction myself, I can tell you that getting off opiates is so unbelievably difficult and takes so much work, that I sincerely doubt he would ever able to remain clean from opiates while continuing to abuse other drugs. If there’s one thing you can trust addicts and recovered addicts about, it’s whether they think another person is on drugs. We can sniff out our own and see the signs from a mile away with absolute ease. I 100% trust that Johnny has overcome his opiate addiction because I’ve been staring at him in a courtroom every business day for the past 6 weeks. Opiates are a physically addictive drug, meaning the body becomes dependent on the drug to function - opiate addiction does not give you the option to abstain from opiates. What this means is that if he wasn’t clean, he would either be on drugs in the courtroom, OR having withdrawal symptoms. I have observed absolutely nothing to suggest he has been high in that courtroom, nor withdrawing. And if he’s not high or withdrawing in the courtroom, he’s not high or withdrawing at home. That’s how that works.
Additionally, I haven’t seen anything to suggest he’s on any other substances - nor Amber, for that matter! Sorry, I had to say that as well, I keep hearing people insist she did a bump of coke on the stand, and I’ve never heard anything more ridiculous. Bunch of morons online who have absolutely no idea how drugs work, yet want to insist she somehow did a bump through a tissue? Jeez, the Internet is crazier than usual lately, lol!
Apologies for the essay, I understand why you made the comment you did, I just wanted to attempt to offer some clarity and context, again, to please remember that while this is the first time we are hearing about all these stories, they’re not discussing matters that happened yesterday. They’re discussing matters from over 6,7,8,9 years ago, and it’s unfair to take anyone’s admittance of drug abuse from that long ago and infer they are still using to the same degree. Especially when they’ve testified they’ve overcome their addiction and abstain from their drug of choice.
That’s all :). Have a lovely day!
Question: Has there been any recent local news coverage about a possible investigation and charges for AH by Brisbane authorities?
For anyone wondering, you can support victims of abuse without pretending to be one. You don’t have to pull an amber
From now on, 'Pulling an Amber' is going to become a part of the common lexicon. Serves her right.
This is so true!!!
A-F-ing-Men!!!!
@@mysticalmargaret6105 Unfortunately, it may lead to other abusers walking into courtrooms and claiming their victims, actual victims, are just an "Amber Heard 2.0". THAT is how AH has basically set up every future victim of DV. The positive side of this case is it may encourage more men that are true victims to reach out for help without the fear of a stigma attached. What she has done is set the judicial system for victims back 50 years. I once lived in a metro Atlanta county that did not legally recognize domestic abuse until 1994. Think about that for a minute. Physically abusing a partner or spouse was not considered a criminal act until 1994 and it still took a few years after that for the DA to begin routinely prosecuting those cases. Had this JD/AH case taken place in 1993, it very well could have been a considering factor to NOT pass the 1994 law against DV. I truly hope actual victims don't watch this case and believe they must have a bucket full of recordings and admissions before being believed because it can be incredibly dangerous if their the abuser discovers any attempts to document the abuse. Of course, she didn't do this by herself. She had her sister and former friends help her. I like to think that's why they are no longer friends -- that they finally realized how detrimental their actions will be on real victims. Still, too little, too late
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I started bawling when Camille said "this is the story of all too many women, but it is NOT Amber Heard's story".
It has been so incredibly triggering to listen to a testimony that so closely matches my own experience, and so terribly painful to see it all be made a mockery and cash grab.
Thank you, Ms. Vasquez.
So powerful, and hopefully helpful against the misogyny some are spreading in relation to this case. Camille is a powerhouse and her words will hopefully reach people.
@@TheAnimaAnimal fairly sure it’s misandry that’s the issue in 2022.
It’s horrible that this does happen to women and it used to be that DV survivors wouldn’t come forward…however nowadays this is doing a 180 and there will soon be more false allegations that genuine cases of DV (which will make it even harder for real DV victims to come forward)
‘The believe all women/me too’ movements have had the complete opposite effect that wen wanted.
@@GolfingInParadise783 Unfortunately, metoo is the best we can do. Just being quiet hasn't helped and without it a lot of horrible people wouldn't have been exposed. It is really for good and for ill but I'll take over being silent.
@@TheAnimaAnimal it’s done far more bad than good.
The feminist movement has always lied about not reporting DV to make it look like it happens more than it does.
I strongly suggest reading the demographic reports about which relationships have the highest rates of DV….I’ll give you a clue, the highest rates of DV is in lesbian relationships.
If anything it’s men that don’t report it when women abuse them, for being bullied…women like to play victims, not just with DV but with many other things too.
Think about it, women initiate 80% of divorces, yet cheat at the same rates as men now, yet always come out as the victim and the man as the perp 😂😂
@@GolfingInParadise783 I'm pretty sure the me too movement has said believe all victims. If not that's should definitely be the narrative. Because it being a gender thing definitely has lead to this
When Rottenbourn said 'you don't have to be perfect to be a victim' it spoke even more in favor of Depp.
No way. He’s right. I wasn’t perfect You aren’t after being with these freaks. I wasn’t believed because that’s what these men do they lie!!!? But I was the one laughing at the end when he was found guilty of attempted murder. You are wrong. He is a textbook DV Abuser. It’s so obvious to people that know about this. And scary more don’t know what to look for. Nothing is normal about being in these relationships nothing. U end up fighting back and don’t care if you end up dead after so long of that crap. She just had bigger balls then most of us. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
We all have literally seen him intimidate her in that video. That’s abuse right the case over. And we have seen the text of him saying he’s going to ruin her not mentioning about any abuse. Wake up !!!
@@AMYV3 I think you have difficulty discerning between this case and your experience. No one (probably) will disbelieve your account but it is pretty damned clear Amber is not the victim she purported to be.
@@AMYV3 I beg it differ and although I am sorry for your abuse, and hope you are in a better place now. He had some verbally abusive tirades for sure, seemingly attached to his addiction. She on the other hand was worse. She’s a classic narcissist. I think the two of them together were toxic. I think she’s just delusional enough to try and pull this off. She should have just chalked it up to mutually bad situation without ruining him. All his exes have said he is non violent
Exactly my thoughts
@@AMYV3 honestly myself and many I know have experienced assault and abuse on varying degrees Men and women alike. Ur comment is really hurtful and I’m sorry for what happened but you clearly aren’t paying attention to this trial or the majority’s opinions. EVERYDAY I’m reading comments of women and men who relate to Johnny and feel amber is spitting in victims faces. She surely doesn’t represent me and as a woman I’m honestly offended by your “wake up” and these people haven’t experienced what I have sentiment. All I saw was amber interjecting herself while Johnny was having a mental break and then laughing and smirking. There are just honestly so many wrong and offensive things in your comment I’m baffled. Did you stare down and laugh and smirk at your abuser in court??? You’re invalidating victims of all gender by making baseless claims most likely rooted from your own trauma experience. Please at least put actual evidence that supports ur claims
Vasquez is just a star. She's clear spoken, strong, argues passionately without being aggressive or overly emotional. To top it off she is gorgeous and I love her clothes.
She's awful .she's passive aggressive doesn't react to answers. The guy lawyer is miles better
@@wingedhussar1453 lol she's not passive agressive. that criticism doesn't really make sense in this context.
@@wingedhussar1453 You don’t know much about how cross examination works I guess by your statement. Camille was as polite as she could be. Cross examinations are supposed to be brutal and there are lawyers who go to great lengths to disprove the person in the stand. Compared to that Camille was very ethical and only focused on facts presented.
I am definitely hiring her to sue the vet that hurt my cat.
@@wingedhussar1453 Passive aggressive? She's suppose to be aggressive. Have you never watched a case before? Not a tv show one, an ACTUAL one. This is definitely your first.
I love how people forget freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. You can say whatever you want but it doesn’t mean you won’t suffer from the consequences at some point.
I have a theory for why Elaine's closing argument was so rambling.
It was composed entirely of things written on Amber's sticky-notes.
Lol I feel like at least half of Amber's entire case was comprised of her sticky notes. I genuinely feel sad for her lawyers.
Good theory!
Hahahaha
That she actually wasn't writing AT ALL! There a video here on YT that shows her pretending to write on a notepad and a male lawyer watching her and shaking his head in disgust.
Underrated comment lol
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I want everyone to know that someone who is abused never mocks the abuser a lot of people think she is guilty but I know I know her she has been apart of my life for a long time metaphorically speaking if this was real she would never smirk or record you’d get beat to a pulp …. I’m in therapy and doing my best she is a black mark on all survivors I’ve lived this and the tears would flow and be a problem …. We have a voice and we don’t need to word it in our favor …. Rip- ma I love you and I don’t forget
However you can't prove Law that is baseless.
@@tinataco236 not true.
Congratulations
I love how when Rottenburg says, "Let's see the monster in the flesh", that the first image on the screen is Amber secretly setting up the Camera, lol.
Yup! 😈🤣 And to use that video and call it abuse? It was hilarious! Was Rottenborn serious? Or is he “tricky” enough to do this silly maneuver just so he can turn around and mock JCD for laughing?
I'm an SA survivor. It was IPV. I have been through a criminal trial. I didn't have any evidence except my testimony. My word against his. But I told the truth and I was believed. I was so nervous on the stand and I did my best not to break down and cry. I didn't want to be vulnerable in court or relive those feelings. I had PTSD and the last thing I wanted was to have a panic attack. It's something I avoided with all my strength. Reliving the experience of abuse is extremely unpleasant. I find AH's behaviour in this trial to be suspicious and hard to believe.
Im sorry you had to go through that. I mever had photos never called the cops tried to sort it out alone and ended up succeeding to kick him out but as i have a kid with him had to deal with him for years in one way or another.. and so it would definitely be my word against his if i had taken him to court for sure. Im the last person that thinks anyone whonis a dv or sa victim needs proof. Photos etc. But for me its soooo odd that shed have photos of material damage like mirrors and broken bottles etc yet not take any of her bodily harm. Its so bizarre to me as someone that took no photos at all ever. If i had had the wherewithall to do it it would have been of the bodily harm not some broken art frame.
And as you say the testimony just didnt ring true deep inside me and i always believe people via my gut instinct.
I think he was abusive in other ways however perhaps instigated by her. Verbally and psychologically and breaking things in anger or whatever but the phsyical and SA just doesnt ring right to me. But... ive gave her the benefit of the doubt initially til i saw the confusing evidence and conflicting stuff online now made public.
I'm so glad you both are out of it. I hope for peace, blessings and healing for you both.
@@spikesgirl9371 aww that is very sweet of you. Im ok now thank you though still have PTSD triggers. Im just glad AH and JD didnt have a child together as having one with my ex who was the perp of the DV has been like been extra traumatic and not easy on our child who is now a grownup. Alot of healing has to happen and its harder when kids are involved and you can't just walk away completely. Thank you for your compassionate message. Solidarity helps the healing x
I'm so proud of you, winning those cases is ridiculously hard. I'm (potentially) going to court against my abuser and I've been so nervous thinking about it but this has been really helpful to read.
@@saffywehren9385 best of luck. Sorry you have to go through that. X
Interesting that the two seconds of Ben Chew getting choked up was more emotionally engaging than two days of Amber Heard’s direct testimony.
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100%, so true. if her stories had even an ounce of truth in them, it would have been a totally different vibe, Camille simply couldn't have been so tough in questioning her and the court and we would have felt it.
That's exactly what I just said!
That's exactly what I just said!
He’s got to be a father, when he mentioned how Johnny is fighting to clear his name for his children, man I know he put him self in his shoes ❤️🩹
I didn’t think I’d cry but as a survivor of both sexual and violent abuse, when she said “it’s not her story, it is the story of other women.” I lost it.
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I cannot imagine what you’ve been through and what this trial may have brought up for you. I hope you’re doing as well as possible.
Omg, same happened to me. I though I was not gonna cry, but Chu made that happe.😞
me, too 🤗... suddenly all those heavily suppressed tears just exploded uncontrollably
This was powerful
My grandson had to wear an eyepatch for most of 3 years. He was always calling himself a”pirate”. Since his name is Jack, we called him Captain Jack.
Elaine having the NERVE to call the court psychological abuse is so unbelievably disrespectful to actual abuse.
I was told in great detail how I would be killed and disposed of multiple times, my abuser would mention every time we were near some place that sells guns that he would buy one and kill me, my pets, and my loved ones. THATS PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE.
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You claiming to be a victim of why do you make excuses for any form of abuse?
All abuse is wrong, physical, emotional, verbal, financial, onlineabuse etc etc.
This trial is public revengeporrn and we all know it, do not make excuses for it based on who you support.
I'm sorry you went through that! Sending you love and well wishes💗💗
The thing is, if her narrative was true, and Johnny Depp were using this suit to keep degrading her, then yes It could be considered abuse.
And while what happened to you is truely horrible, not all psychological abuse is that overt.
@@karatekaninen3045 I don't think OP is making excuses, also, how exactly is this trial revengeporn? 🤔 like did you watch all six weeks of this trial???
I have to say Rottenborn completely lost me at Johnny’s abuse by his mother felt worse to him than his abuse by Amber Heard. As if that somehow justifies anything. Pitting maternal abuse and IPV against each other in a closing statement? Extremely distasteful. How is that not victim shaming? “His childhood abuse was worse so this wasn’t that bad” gross just gross.
It is awful to compare the two. Abuse by a parent can indeed be worse but much of it is bc of how important that relationship is in a life of a child, also the fact that you are defenseless as a child much more than as an adult.
Parents are responsible for your survival so when they are the source of distress and hurt it can have truly awful consequences.
Doesn’t change the fact that spousal abuse is also awful and should not be minimized by your past experiences.
Rottenborn thinks he wins by saying that. But as stupid he is he just looses people listen to him 👀💀💯😂😂
What's worse to me is how irrelevant it is to this case on top of that. Johnny didn't alledge trauma, he didn't alledge ptsd, he alledged losing reputation and monetary harm over her accusations.
Whether or not childhood trauma was worse for him mentally than the abuse from Amber doesn't matter to anything. It's just trying to diminish irrelevant things that weren't even alledged. Yet he still thought it important to try, and he still thought the way to do so was by comparing two terrible situations.
@@DyslecticAttack exactly. I can’t believe he thought this somehow counted as making a point?
If anything, it solidified the plaintiff counsel's implication that earlier childhood trauma normalized this dysfunctional conduct in Depp's mind, helping to contextualize his decision to remain in the relationship.
Johnny is the only one who has talked about taken responsibility. He’s the only one who has.
You do know there is a difference between talking about taking responsibilty and actually do it?
Did he take responsibilty and stop doing drugs when he got his kids? No
Did he take responsibilty when he left drugs out for the dogs to eat it and get sick? No
Did he and AH take responsibilty and walk their dogs or get a dogwalker? NO (they let them shit on the floor and on the furnitures and except for that being really disgusting its also animal abuse from them both)
But I guess it ok as long as he 'talks' about taking responsibilty 🙄
@@karatekaninen3045 I think what OP meant when they said he "talked about taking responsibility" was that he did take responsibility for what he did. He admitted to things he has done while Amber has not and very clearly denies everything.
@@pencilsniper I'm sorry but admitting to things and then keep doing them again and again and again is not taking responsibilty
None of them have taken real responsibilty for their behavour against the other,
and they wont as long as they have friends, family and fans enabling their behaviour
@@karatekaninen3045 But the point there trying to make is, is that he ADMITTED to it.. i understand what your saying but we not talking about that, is the fact that at least johnny will admit to it, while amber will go on and make a story around it and not answer only in her form and she's never to blame for anything.
@@karatekaninen3045 Enabling? So you're blaming the people around them for not taking responsibility for what they do? That's not right at all.
Nobody is responsible for anything anyone does except the ppl who are committing these acts.
Johnny *HAS* taken responsibility for what he has done and he admitted to what he has done. I don't think you comprehend what I said before. He seems to be out of that dark place he was in, meaning he has taken responsibility. Now he's able to stand up for himself and speak up. He has great ppl around him and he looks and seems to be doing a lot better.
Amber on the other hand *HAS NOT.* She keeps lying even after all of the proof that has been presented. She made up more stories and lies on top of all of those. She's not a reliable person. She can't even admit or take any responsibility for anything she has done wrong to anyone and blames everyone else for her wrong doings. And everyone she is around now looks like they're all on drugs. It's sad.
Both Camille and Ben's emotion felt so genuine. They believed their client, and knowing the law was against them, fought to help a man get his life back. They knew the facts were with them. Thank you to the team for fighting for Johnny, and for the truth.
You know I'm super late with this, but I just now clocked that when Cammile said "no further questions" in cross ex and walked off while Amber was still raving, it was a huge power move and trigger for her not wanting people walking away from her arguments.
That was totally on purpose. Chef's kiss
So impressed by you! You remind me so much of my daughter who passed at age 24. You’re like watching her on a 20 year fast forward to your age! She loved the law, cursy words, and she had purple hair on and off through college & grad school! Heartwarming - and super, super coverage!
My condolences 💐💜💜💜
Much love to you💖
Condolences
So sorry, may you have signs she's around you
Wow so young. I’m sorry. 🦋🦋🦋
Listening to the first few sentences of AH's closing and I'm already like, "How is drinking in front of and doing drugs with your husband and allowing your friends and family to do drugs with your husband doing everything to get him through addiction?"
Right? That was the moment I turned it off for my own sanity. I didn't need her layers to try gaslighting us too.
Wasn’t his “sobriety” all about just sticking to wine?
I wish in the closing JD’s team would have thought to emphasise that if AH was concerned about her husband’s addictions (which AH team harped so much about) why didn’t JD’s team mentioned her addictions and her luck of support to help him with his??? Specially since “the monster” came back during his “circle” 🙄
Yeah,I haven't been able to get past that either
@@gracenurse3365no. She claimed as well as everyone else on her side that he was an acholic, even tho alcohol seems to not be his actual problem, but opioids. He was trying to be sober from all of it. The one thing he was doing was smoking weed and cigarettes.
The most worrying thing about the high profile status of this case is that if Amber wins it will open up so many opportunities for people with the same tendencies as her. It would impact society beyond belief. It's about justice for all true victims in the past, present and the future.
exactly!!! that's why it's important for Johnny to win. Many people say that it's not important since the world already believed him, but I guess it's not enough!!
Couldn’t agree more.
As a mother of boys it is terrifying to me that it could be that easy to ruin someone’s life. Should you just be able to claim something and say in your mind it happened and then you have a first amendment right to defame someone?
Very good point. I said a couple of weeks ago that this case is so important on so many levels because if Johnny wins it will set a precedent for abused men but if Amber wins, it will be an absolutely devastating day for abused men but also another blow to the justice system and public faith in it and that's really, really bad.
@@amethystfeathers7324 I so agree with you.
As Runkle on the Bailey has stated, there are no abuse shelters for men and men with children and if JD won, this would be a huge impact on society to do something about it. When I worked in a hospital,one of my coworkers told me he was abused by his wife and he couldn't defend himself because she could easily tell the cops that he abused her. And this man was 6 ft tall and his wife was 5ft 4in. I was so shocked and sad. He was thinking of suicide-as the only way out because he was so ashamed. I cried that night after my shift.
I alerted the E.R. psych nurse the next day and she called him into the office and took it from there. This was in 1992.
This happened Six years to the day Amber filed the TRO...on his daughter's birthday. I can only imagine how his daughter felt to know this case is attached to her birth date. I hope Johnny gets justice and that May 27th becomes a beautiful day yet again for Father and Daughter.
Tell me about it. When I learned that little tidbit...it takes a special piece of work to file then. Esp now that we know she called the press for it.
Ij
This is an interesting fact. But then it's nothing surprising. Narcissists love to make themselves center of attention. They love to snatch limelight and importance from others so as to focus on them.
@@iqramalik8114 - Exactly! They are known for ruining birthdays especially.
@@n.martin2276 She also filed on the day Johnny's movie premiered. She was very intentional with her timing for a few reasons it seems.
When he’s smashing those cabinets she’s not even scared at all. She’s actually saying things to him to try and get him to argue with her.
So, a grown man is throwing a tantrum like a child, destroying property, and the only thing you can think of is, "She's not even scared." How the fuck do you know what she's feeling inside? What he did in that kitchen is a form of abuse.
@@themaskedman221 nope. Not abuse at all. She had 24hr security literally outside, she had 911, she had her bestie next door, and James Franco in next building ... she clearly had ample time to set up her Ipad while Jonny was banging cupboards (understandably upset as he found out his lawyer/accountant had stolen money) .... the clips of her gleefully smirking before and after (when she setup and removes the device) was omitted.
Now ... is shouting nice? No, we can agree.
But if he was so ‘abusive’ ... why did she break the TRO to visit Jonny and beg to just touch him again? Wasn’t she scared for her life then?
Her entire story is full of inconsistencies and holes.
Why didn't she just leave the kitchen area when it was apparent that he was upset over something? Even when he caught her filming him, he did not strike her. In fact, he was the one who left the kitchen.
@@JDAfrica Maybe this is how adult men act in your trailer park, but this is not normal behavior, and it absolutely is a form of abuse. If you knew anything about domestic violence you'd know that it's not limited to physical abuse, and in fact most domestic violence isn't physical, but emotional and psychological - screaming, swearing, insulting, destroying property etc. Behavior that Depp has undeniably engaged in.
"Now ... is shouting nice? No, we can agree."
You're an idiot. Call up your teachers and demand a refund.
@@themaskedman221 his mother was dying. she was egging him on. yes, he shouldn't have banged those cabinets around. but that's also not typical of his behavior from what we've seen. it is however, very much apart of her normal behavior. they're also saying she wasn't scared because it was later revealed that Amber was smirking and laughing at the end of that video. she clearly wasn't scared, and from what we have seen of this trial she was never scared of him. she was laughing at his emotional distress.
"Objection. Facts not in evidence. Heart not rendered." is probably one of my _favorite_ quotes from this trial. Thank you for the laughs!! 😄
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I like how Camille and Ben just stood at the podium and read out the facts. They didn't need to pace around and lecture and explain everything; they just let all the evidence speak for itself. I feel like it was a lot more impactful and captivating than Elaine's - and some of Rottenborn's - closing.
but that evidence has nothing to do with whether Amber's word choice defamed him or not in the article.
@@ThatCho its all foundational evidence and goes to several of the claims, so it definitely is important
Most of what Rottenborn is saying feels shady & disingenuous to me. He is mis stating testimony & rewriting the narrative.
I thought he started off strong.... but then he just lost me and I couldn't stand to listen to him anymore
Re writing the narrative is awful. I heard it so many times I lost complete respect for anything he said. If was on the jury I would of just switched off from his speech
Elaine’s closing sounds like me trying to explain the entire plot of Game of Thrones to my mum in under 3 minutes! It feels like when I read a book when I’m really tired, I’m seeing the words but they’re not registering, in one ear out the other!
In my experience as an attorney, the more a lawyer uses "clearly", "obviously", and "you KNOW that...", the less clear, obvious, or legally known things are.
Gaslighting the jury
I knew nothing at all of Amber Heard before this trial. I couldn't imagine the jury believing her.
Amber who?
I’ve never heard of her either, even 2 years after Aquaman
Agreed
I only knew of her from the 2 dogs thing in Australia
Unfortunately there's more than a slim chance a couple of people got on the jury who did know who she is and believed her, and nothing was going to change their minds. All they need is a weaselly defence argument on the letter of the law, for the jury to hang.
The trial turned me around. I came in believing her and by the end I was horrified by the story told by the facts. I hope Depp gets justice.
You think that's crazy? Wait until you find out about Black Lives Matter.
I’m glad bc it would be sad knowing someone saw all the evidence and heard it and saw her throw that terribly disgusting acting on the stand
yeah, I'm in the same boat. I took her word for it too. I felt so stupid after watching the trial. My mind got changed real quickly, but I feel like an asshole. :/
@@izzeypally you shouldn’t feel like an asshole! We all took her claims seriously at first. No one wants to believe a person would go to a court house with a fake bruise and blatantly lie about being the survivor of the horrific acts of abuse she described. She is the one at fault. She took advantage of the work so many activists and survivors of DV have done to make it possible to be believed and supported in our society. She took advantage of all the goodwill people are willing to give to anyone claiming to be a survivor. She’s the only one making it harder for DV survivors to come forward. I myself even questioned if someone would accuse me of pulling an “Amber Heard” next time I told my story. You did nothing wrong because you listened to the facts and changed your mind to what you believed to be right based on that evidence. You went into these allegations with an open mind and were willing to hear both sides. That’s more than half of what these so called journalists have done and continue to do after the trial. Don’t beat yourself up for wanting to be compassionate to someone who you initially believed to be telling the truth.
@@izzeypally You shouldn't feel bad. When someone tells you they've been abused, your initial reaction SHOULD be to believe them, just like you would believe people if they told you they had been mugged. Please don't let Amber, an abuser, change your attitude towards victims reporting abuse. Most of them are telling the truth, and shouldn't be met with doubt. The best society can in abuse cases is react like you did: believe, but verify.
It’s genuinely so interesting how I was balling from a 10 second clip of Ben Chew choking up but sat through hours of testimony of Amber crying and shed not one tear …and this was when I watched the trial in real time and even now a year later 👏🏾
They’re saying Amber apologizing because that’s what victims do, but using Johnny’s apologies as “proof” he was the abuser. Talking out of both sides of their mouths
And she was apologising explicitly for hitting JD (multiple times) but JD has never apologised in all the audio or evidence provided. So more b.s.
I think that both JD and Ah need to take responsiblty for their behavour against eachother, so far I have not seen that I just see them blame the other and declare themself to be all innocent wich is not true for any of them
@@user-et2ng1qb2m Nor was she implying that he had ever hit her in any of those recordings. You would think at least once there would be an "I'm sorry I hit you, but you hit me first" out of her at least once if he had ever hit her.
@@karatekaninen3045 jd has apologized for his behavior he said he is not a Saint and owned his mistakes, alcohol abuse, drug abuse and for talking in an awful manner to amber heard but he never physically or sexually abused her it's amber who claimed she never did anything wrong that's why I believe johnny more than amber and also the evidence talks for itself.
@@babyangelally He has not taken responsibilty for has behavour(and neither has AH for that matter) an addict saying sorry over an dover again and then doing the same thing over and over again is not behing honest
The problem for Team Heard is that it's nearly all "she said x is what happened". Where Team Depp has recordings, confirmed by Amber to be her voice, admitting to being violent, and saying abusive things.
Even Ambers own Dr Hughes testimony was "she told me this". And Dr Curry was like a prophet, nailing exactly how Ambers testimony would play out.
Amber brought a sword to the fight, but Johnny had an army.
If Amber had just written honestly about her experiences she could have gained a lot more sympathy. If she'd talked about how difficult it was to live with JD's drug problem, and how his harsh words and slamming things about the house felt intimidating at times she could have spoken for lots of people in that situation. She lost the public with the hysterics and embellishments.
Yes! And she takes no accountability, she tries to come off as little miss innocent. She would have prob not been attacked if she came in saying yes we both were toxic i am not innocent by no means etc… never mind the outright lying but her true colors and personality came out to the world
Right! I love JD, but I believe he's no angel and would be hard to live with(with the drugs and what not). But her saying he was a hell beast of unimaginable horrors...girl stop.
100%. I've got alcoholic parents and it IS really hard to deal with people with addictions. I can fully believe that dealing with his drug issues etc was challenging, whatever behaviour they did cause.
Exactly.
Couldn’t agree MORE
I had not watched Elaine’s closing until this week. That was the rambling of a woman who knew they had lost that jury and was desperately trying to get them to believe her. It was like she was testifying the whole case all over again. The poor jurors I know they had to be done.
I died laughing when Emily said she needed an emotional support dog to help her get through Elaine’s rambling! 😂🤣😂 I think we all do after this!
When Ben Chew retorted to rottenborn who tried to misrepresent Kate Moss’s testimony it was powerful. That single moment proved, Ben, Johnny and his entire team stand for TRUTH!
Totally agree. Candid and powerful moment. I really felt the genuine advocacy for his client. He showed a lot of depth.
"that's *exactly* what she testified to" and the little glare over his shoulder sent me. So very Ben Chew in it's delivery. I love this entire team, they're amazing lawyers.
Remember, we’re talking about 5 penthouse apartments…the entire top two floors of the swankiest high rise in LA…ONE ENTIRE PENTHOUSE was her closet. ANOTHER entire penthouse was her sister’s FREE apartment. ANOTHER entire penthouse was his best friend’s place. ANOTHER entire place was Josh and Rocky’s place. He beat up his OWN kitchen. She had an ENTIRE ROOMFUL OF DESIGNER HANDBAGS on racks he tipped over after she punched him in the face.
But she couldn't follow thru & donate the money to children's hospitals as she said but instead she lied over & over to keep it. Her greed is beyond words. But remember as she said, she didnt want anything but to be free from Johnny. Yeah right!!
I swear, if I had that kind of money, I would just rent designer clothes-especially considering that lifestyle assumes you're not supposed to get caught wearing the same thing twice. That way, money not spent on all that extra stuff could be used to help people and invest with. At least the property is an investment.
Umbridge's closing argument feels like when you get stopped in the grocery store by a crazy stranger that wants to tell you their life story and no matter how much you nod and smile while trying to leave them in the aisle they follow you throughout the store...
That is oddly specific lol
@@helloworld441 it's not a first for me 🤣🤣🤣
🤣😂🤣 My god..! Absolutely that's what it's like! Lol!
Relatable af😂
Perfect descriptor
She was smirking at the end of that video. And she 100% was antagonizing him. Someone who is truly abused doesn’t antagonize their abuser.
She was not abused. She claims to have been abused by him in 2012. They got married in 2015. Why would you marry someone who was abusive?
@@anonnyanonymous4800 Another good question: Who starts abusing people in their 50's? Then beats someone for 5 years without leaving 1 mark that can't be covered by make-up? On a woman who is constantly photographed. Not 1 picture in 5 years except for the one that showed up when she filed for a restraining order and then disappeared the next day.
She was pleased with herself. She at that moment had more goods on him for leverage to hurt him. THAT'S Amber Heard.
As a survivor of child abuse, child sexual abuse, sexual assault, marital rape and domestic violence, this trial has been riveting. I have complex PTSD, something Amber Heard claims to have. I routinely am excused from jury duty because I cannot be composed in a courtroom. I was 11 when I read my diary aloud as testimony, during my own child molestation case, in a Los Angeles Circuit Court. Amber sits smirking. Amber has not shed a tear, where I would be sobbing and shaking. The statements about the Me Too movement and the entire closing statements of the Depp legal team, had me moved to tears.
i'm so sorry for what you've endured, Holly. Hugs and healing to you.
Wishing you peace, dear. I’m sorry to hear you’ve experienced so much pain.
May God bless you and may you find so much peace.
@@bethanychatman9531 Thank you
I'm so sorry baby. Nobody should ever have to do that.
Elaine’s closing was like watching an SNL skit. It’s was the weirdest, most head-scratching thing I’ve ever seen. It literally left me speechless 😂
Hahahaha snl skit😂😂😂😂
I have now come back multiple times to watch back Camille and Ben's closing arguments. They're truly a thing of beauty.
I'm here almost a year later rewatching it 😂
Me too!
As someone that's not familiar with trials, Camille's statement broke it down in a way that anyone could understand. Elaine confused the eff out of me.
AH’s side’s closing arguments were nuts, I felt like we were being retold the *entire* trial (gaslight version)… and Rottenborn’s appeal to the first amendment just felt cheap, like playing on party politics over the actual facts of the case.
Complete agreement. The first amendment argument might have made more sense if that's what they were appealing to during the trial. But the tactics during the trial didn't match the closing arguments on their side.
Unfortunately they are playing to where they are, Virginia. A more conservative area where an argument of free speech may gain more attention than if it was in New York or California.
@@Busstavo You may know more than me about the specifics of this, but I live in VA and that area is actually pretty liberal. It's right outside of D.C. The more conservative part is in mid and southern VA.
@@Rae777 I mean I don't know more than someone who lives there I just base it on how they usually vote
@@Busstavo For all I knew you could've been a political researcher lol. I don't live in that part of VA so I'm just sharing what I know. Some parts of VA are super liberal and others are extremely conservative. I think that's why we're usually a swing state.
This is why we should never dodge jury duty.
You never know when you will need a fair jury of your peers.
Very well stated. Thank You.
The defense's closing made me feel really icky at how they were misrepresenting evidence and misrepresenting the instructions to the jury. I think Rottenborn started strong with his opening statements, but once he started getting into the details, it fell apart for me.
That's because the facts are NOT on their side.
For me, it's his delivery that ruins it for me. He did say the things he needed to say, but he goes too fast and runs over his own point. He also didn't stop when he said something powerful.
But, then again, Elaine's unhinged closing would make anyone sound good.
He should have just stopped after his initial statements, 90% of Rottenborn’s closing was absolutely awful. I completely tuned out after a while. Trying to make fetch happen, ugh…
If I was a juror, that would confuse me. I assumed that lawyers always told the truth about the law before this trial. I'm really shocked at how much they can lie and get away with it.
I was appalled when Rottenborn indicated we would be “accomplices” if we didn’t find Amber not liable. Really?!? Seriously?!? I guess that would also include him and the whole defense team as well. SMH
I am watching this trial again in 2024, and I am amazed by your commentary and analysis. Sending all the love to you, Emily, all the way from Germany.
And Australia 🇦🇺
I'm watching this back. Camille is my hero! She was incredible during this closing argument.
This solidified everything in my mind, that Johnny is not a domestic abuser!
“The jury must feel like they’re being assaulted with words and I can un-OH JESUS. Right back into it!”
😂 my favorite moment.
So it’s okay for her to laugh and smirk while Camille is doing her closing, but Rottenborn is claiming JD is terrible for smiling while the “bad video played”🙄🙄
Both sides have been so hypocritical, both the lawyers but mostly the fanatic fans of JD and AH.
Both Jd and AH have been smiling and laughing in court but according to those obsessed fans it's ok when he/she do it and a proof of him/her being guilty 🙄
@@karatekaninen3045 then some fans are pretty stupid if they believe a giggle or smile constitutes guilt.
@@karatekaninen3045 He laughs mostly whenever there’s absurd lies being thrown. And he laughs whenever Amber heard steam takes his words absolutely the wrong way just like the sexting messages About her throat. It wasn’t abusive Context it was in sexual context.
@@strat4096 That's why Heard fans are making a big deal out people commenting on her laughing. They feel like that means people are saying that abuse survivors are never allowed to move on and rise above the abuse. Personally, I find _when_ she laughs to be odd. It appears like laughing at inappropriate moments, to me. Depp appears to laugh when something is funny or, like X said, absurd. But, most all of the court footage I've seen has been from this channel so maybe I missed Depp also laughing at inappropriate moments.
@@karatekaninen3045 Yeah, that stuff really means nothing, so it’s a crap subject to bring up in closing. Bring up the evidence not the theories lol
When I’m having a bad day I come to this video and watch Elaine’s closing 😆 makes me feel better 🤣🤣
Me too 💀
Me too hahaha. I also go back and watch Elaine on cross saying I’m trying multiple times a week 😂😂
i DETEST when someone uses the 'if i did do that, i would have done it better' sort of argument. it's NEVER the serve people think it is
Literally!!!! Like huh
A star of Aqua man had the alleged evidence of violence against johnny Depp why didn't she go public then instead of waiting till the divorce, Any women in her public position or not raped with or without a bottle would seek medical treatment, and the restraint order pending domestic violence charges. She did nothing she didn't leave him she begged him not to leave ? Showed no physical evidence in any photos following the alleged attacks
Diane Downs said this as well. Bad idea Amber! Use the same explanation as a woman who murdered her children.
Especially when she testified she doesn't have a clue how to
Watching Elaine’s argument in 2x speed is incredible. Like giving a squirrel coffee.
It got so painful I 2xed it as well.
Or Hammy in "Over the hedge" 😂
As someone who has been a layleader for many non-profits over the past 25 years, I am DISGUSTED by Elaine's presentation about donations/pledges. Shameful!
Let's be fair... yes, slamming and smashing things around somebody is abuse. Sure is. IF, and I mean IF, he came to her and started slamming and smashing shit in the room where she was, intentionally in her close proximity, to intimidate her. Is that what we see here? Or do we see a man who left the room she was in, went to a different part of his house, had a fit in his own kitchen against his own belongings believing he was alone, and she came to where he was and decided to record and then antagonize him while he was clearly needing space? I don't understand how this very big distinction was never addressed in court.
1,000% accurate. She choose to come in the that room , set up the camera and then start bullshit about their relationship trying to make him look bad when he is clearly in distress. She is the absolute worst
Yep... reactive abuse @@cleobinx
Let's just throw away any favor for Depp for a second. If I'm walking into that jury room, I'd say: "Look, AH's side keeps misrepresenting all kinds of things. They say admitting to something they never did is just what victims do, yet they misrepresent JD's apologies to be about physical violence. There are massive gaping holes in their story. They keep trying to make arguments that they then contradict. I don't know about you, but why would you need your lawyers to be disingenuous if you're just telling the truth? Why would you need to tell little lies or portray yourself as a saint? If you're actually honest with me, why lie, why tell half-truths, why be condescending, why change your mind constantly about the facts, why do you need to misrepresent anything?"
If AH is actually telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, she wouldn't need to lie, she wouldn't need to change her recollection of the facts every two minutes, she wouldn't need to allude to far-fetched theories of amazingly brilliant makeup application that are even indetectable with HD flash photos and harsh lighting. She wouldn't need her lawyers to be so condescending half the time, she wouldn't need her lawyers to misrepresent evidence, she wouldn't need the "come fight me, bro" attitude. Also, if she is actually so vulnerable and crying during direct, why on earth would she be so strong and entitled on cross? Wouldn't she just break down? I would. I might be strongly disagreeing but it would be with tears in my eyes. I simply couldn't hide it and I certainly would be too shaken up to magically recover from my emotion in a mere second.
His worst mistake was and has been marrying her. Little did he never could see it coming. A young thirsty upcoming artist would utilized him, mistreated him and disposed him later on. She has destroyed him, her family and friends and herself along. A self destroying machine... is what she is.
They were a couple for 6 years or something before they married. It’s not like she was a mail order bride he married sight unseen.
His worst mistake was ever giving her a second glance. Their relationship was hellish long before the marriage.
She will self destruct herself in life if she doesn’t get help for her lying, blaming, personality disorders and any mental ones. She needs some deep therapy. As does Depp, but she’s going down a very slippery slope…. Scary
Johnny gave Vanessa $150 million when he left that relationship. Think about that. They weren’t married and I think they lived in France with their children. There are many implications to be derived from that.
Depp should seek an annulment. Have it erased as if it never happened. That 'marriage' was no true marriage.
JD abusing cabinets is not sexual abuse, mental abuse or physical abuse. That incident wasn't even about AH.
Actually, it can be mental abuse to have a spouse that suddenly goes into an uncontrollable rage and destroys your home. Again and again. Every thing you have and do to make a cozy home ripped away by someone who is either always angry or sedated on drugs. You are never safe in your own home, you can never bring people home, because you never know which state he is in. You can never plan anything or go anywhere as he half of the time is drugged and half asleep.
While I do believe Heard suffered mental abuse, I doubt all the rest. I think she thought that “only mental abuse” was not enough to get world wide attention, so she made up the rest.
Seems to me she injected herself in to his situation there. She could have walked the other direction but she enjoyed winding him up. He didn't see her long game.
Agreed. He had no anger directed towards her either, he was just upset in general over something in his own life
@@terrimccracken9486 the mere fact she didn't freeze or flight when she entered the room shows she wasn't scared
@@terrimccracken9486 Because most people wouldn't think that their spouse had a long game.
I didn’t think that re watching Depp’s closing arguments 5 months later would make me emotional again 😢
So grateful of Camille and Ben and all the team
Imagine if this was the other way around. If this was JD saying this to AH. Like damn Ms. Camille… THAT. RIGHT. THERE. The double standard is so beyond disgusting. The fact that she can openly speak about punching him, and think it’s ok, is ridiculous.
Yes thank you. Plus, I find it so worrying that people are like "okay, even if he is the victim, why is he going after her so hard? Why don't just write a book and profit off of it?" Like WHAT.
If the victim was a woman, we'd all be cheering for her going after her abuser. so now why are we asking of him to just let it go?
Rottenborn said it wouldn’t matter if she chopped his finger with an axe…sir wut
More importantly…even when he bring up her hitting him…she never once, that I have heard, mentions him hitting her. That only violence she talks about is figurative violence of how much she hates him leaving.
I’m glad they fought for the trial to be accessible to the public. People can see for themselves who truly is the abuser.
Can you imagine what tiny tidbits, carefully selected, would have been presented in mainstream media and most would believe it? 🙈 Oh wait... Glad I can form my own conclusion by watching everything unfold in real-time and unfiltered.
@@ada_pink exactly we would only see the photoshopped pictures of her crying on the stand and the Vogue article saying because she’s a woman we should believe her 🙄 the MSM has been crafting the narrative in her favor even though we’ve all seen the trial. They blatantly lie about the evidence even when they know people can watch for themselves and easily find out it’s not true. It’s insane how easily they lie, thinking we will be stupid enough to take them at their word. I can’t imagine what they would say if the trial wasn’t publicized! Funny Amber talks about Johnny being protected by powerful institutions when all I’ve seen is people blatantly lying to cover for her.
All trials with a few exceptions should be televised.
The MSM has already done a terrible job of covering this, and I often wonder if they are watching what we are!!
@@mr.pillow7023 Yes, this really shows how twisted MSM is. I knew they were always exaggerating things, but this trial still shocked me by how blatantly they LIE. And that in a case were people can actually watch it themselves and KNOW they lie. So what else am I supposed to believe from now on? Guess I'm now too in the camp of people who seriously distrust MSM in everything. 🙈
especially since the media has had such misleading reporting. Are we all watching the same trial?
Elaine says JD blames everyone but himself. I’m confused cause isn’t her clients defense is everyone lied on the stand? Under oath?
She was so ridiculous for this and she said it multiple times! The jury has AHs testimony fresh in their minds too
You have about a much hope of understanding IPV as you do understanding the way both sides have presented their cases.
@@edgeworldpictures6831 what?? Lmao that has nothing to do with the closing statement being contradictory to their own clients (who has committed perjury multiple times) testimony...
The thing that really solidified that Amber was lying for me, is how often her friends and sister, who claimed they knew JD was abusing her, is how often people left her alone with him.
There is no way I would ever leave anyone I know, alone with a partner I know to be abusive.
So, Amber ALWAYS wears makeup to cover up her bruises? She NEVER leaves the house with her bruises exposed? Then why didn't she wear makeup to cover her bruises when she was photographed by TMZ?
She was already wearing makeup. The bruise itself was makeup. I've bruised my cheek before from not watching what I was doing (I really did hit a cabinet door). It didn't just miraculously appear or disappear. And makeup didn't cover it. I tried that. But I didn't use a bruise kit, so that may have been the problem... and I used arnica mixed with vitamin E&D to help heal it faster.
Seriously. This lady’s voice is like nails on a chalk board
@@LatinaLatina1011 - it's definitely grating on the ear drums. I couldn't listen because it made my tinnitus way worse. I turned on subtitles... never laughed so hard at the transcription in my life. I know that there's no way that everything was transcribed word for word.
EXACTLY!!!!
No makeup will cover a bruise completely unless it's SUPER heavy stage makeup in the right lighting. It would be apparent one was wearing heavy makeup. I know, I've tried. Plus bruising also causes swelling.
He took responsibility, for a number of his faults on the stand. Amber on the other hand, never, not once, did she admit to anything! Elaine wants us to believe that our eyes are ears are lying!
Um... showing a bottle up her? Did he accept it?
@@MegaSuziek no...because it didn't happen! He took responsibility for what he actually did...not the insane, unbelievable stories he's been accused of.
@@lauraburger1272 She only admitted to hitting him on the stairs and agreed that she called him names when confronted with audio of herself saying those things. Everything else she's done, that people have witnessed....including the DV arrest she had for assaulting her ex wife, she has denied and weasled away from answering. She also MAJORLY downplayed HER drug use calling cocaine, shrooms, and mdma "laughy" drugs....but when Johnny takes them he's a monster. She doesn't admit to any faults that she doesn't want people to see....even with hard evidence staring her in the face. THAT'S why people can't stand her...she lies even about small, insignificant details and it makes her look non believable and cold.
@@mysticmama_3692 Well said, I endorse this post!
@@lauraburger1272 I must have missed that. Did we watch the same trial?
If I was a juror I wouldn’t care for being told “you KNOW” this or that. I’ll decide what I KNOW, Elaine. Elaine and her frenetic pace makes me dizzy and slightly nauseated. Poor closing choice.
That's what I was thinking. Don't tell me what I know, Elaine!!!,
Think not only is Elaine a victim of Heards abuse but also must be very stressed & sleep deprived. Like Emily said, Heard is running the show for her Attorneys & Elaine’s having a hard time trying to make that happen. Not only is Heard ruining Johnnys life but she ruining Elaine’s Reputation too !! 😢
I thought the same thing. I'd be like 'GUURL! Don't tell me what I know or don't know! Very presumptuous of you!' 🤨
@@cherokeegrandma4135 Elaine chose to take on Heard. I have zero sympathy for her and her incompetence. I also resent her because her Closing argument was such a babbling run on mess that she had to go to the Bench a bunch of times after an objection, then she had to go back and correct herself.
Watching Depp's team react to Elaine's closing is like a Renaissance painting. Jessica in particular is my favorite.
So true 😅😅😅
I think it’s funny that they say that “if Johnny hit her just once, that’s abuse and amber wins”
But amber admitted to hitting Johnny “in self defense” but is it not ok for Johnny to defend himself? I just think her lawyers are so shady!
The laws are shady that's why I have zero faith in the justice system
I got confused when he said "even if just something he said was abusive, amber wins". I was like what? Its the claims of physical and sexual abuse that are defamatory, everyone accepts there was insults from both. I swear he even said "even if you dont think johnny abused her", and I was like wait excuse me.
Elaine’s crossing sounded like she wrote out her crossing without commas and periods.
Lmao so true.... lol like a million words with with points in parenthesis. Lmao
Lol! ~ Althea
That’s exactly what it sounded like!!! Lol
Yes! One never ending run on sentence. My 10th grade English teacher is rolling in grave.
She’s a mess 😂😂😂😂
Coming back to watch. I love that the podium they are standing at for closing is Ben Chew’s late mothers.
Ben brought it in so they had SOMETHING but not the big podium they been talking from.
And I love that Ben let ambers team stand at it as well for their closing. Class act man.
And Ben even had a small plush Alpaca inside the small podium drawer too! 😂 It was only Afterwards that he told RottenBorn about his "good luck charm"! 😅 I love Ben chew!
Johnny’s lawyers used their closing to wrap up their case and gave a coherent overview. AH lawyers tried to retry the case during their closing. Which in my opinion is why they ran out of time
Rottenborn has strong closing argument but it felt like he doesn’t have a sort of ‘emotional’ connection with Amber, it doesn’t feel like he was there fighting for Amber but rather he was there because he wants to win this case for himself and build a reputation for him and show the world he is a good lawyer. Ben and Camille, on the other hand, you can see and feel they were there to fight for Johnny. There is more depth, more substance.
I agree, Ben and Camille feel like people going to bat for a person, rottenborn and Elaine feel like lawyers in the way we joke about lawyers in media, twisty snakes
@@norahdacy3790 apparently elaine was crying after the court had ended. som of the people who stayed there to see if there was anything cool gonna happen after the trial said they saw elaine run to the bathroom crying and then when she came out she had a red nose as if she was crying alot. the people there comforted her and said they know she ain't a bad person and that she is only doing her job and that it must be so hard to defend somebody like AH. and elaine said thank you and smiled. i think AH lawyers don't like her ether and know how bad this is for them. personally i'm conflicted. on one side i think shady practices in the court room are bad but on the other hand it can be important when there is a real case when it's needed.
That hug was telling.....
Great point. I completely agree. The emotional distance between the lawyers and their clients is extremely important.
I'm truly believe Ben, Camille and Johnny have already bond great friendship before trials. Johnny will definitely invite them and their families to his vacation property after this.
Cammile had the tears get me when she mentioned that dv is a story heard too many times, but that it’s not Ambers story. For some reason that hit me in the feels.
Well, I know the reason. I watched it happen to my sister. I ran to her house when her nose truely was broken by a purposeful headbutt, and I assure you, ice doesn’t fix that in a quick 24 hours. It can take weeks.
Wow @chumpress, your comment turned my stomach. It brought tears to my eyes recalling my ex partner karate kick me in the face, ( he did martial arts , so knew exactly what he was doing ), his whole foot came straight into my nose. My nose EXPLODED , the pain was searing, the shock and total disbelief soon kicked in when I saw the copious amounts of blood, just pouring from my nose, like a garden hosepipe had been turned on full. My eyes in two hours were both deep blue, my nose scarlet red, and the septum swelled more than double the size, I couldn’t breathe through it, it was that swollen. Ice made zero difference, as it’s such an awkward place to hold ice to it. The remorse came fast, the panic to witness what he had done, he was scared I would tell the police, but by then, I was too entrenched in the coverup, it was my fault for winding him up, why couldn’t I just do things the way all wives are supposed to, what am I making a fuss over, it was a tap.
I truly believe he still thinks to this day, that he was the perfect man, and I should have been grateful to have caught such a catch, that yes we had ups and downs, but so did most couples 🙈🙈🙈 I would say you couldn’t write it, but Amber Heard has just done that very same thing today in court, she has tried to convince herself, she was perfect in the relationship, that the verbal abuse was just banter, and the physical abusive, just a woman having a physical fight , with a man, who clearly is a gentleman, and he just wouldn’t give in to her idea of him being a , “ Real Man “ !!! and refused to use violence ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Yes he gets choked up when he mentions Johnnys children and says to show them “the truth is worth fighting for”.I def cried!
Yes i got the same feeling as well. I thought he felt the weight of the words that he is speaking
Apparently Johnnys daughter felt safer to travel alone with amber than to stay with her father during one of his drunken rampages
I feel Johnny opening up his incredibly personal life details, and even giving the world access to inside his mind from psychaitry notes when he has always been such a private person has done so much more than just bring peace to himself for clearing the Injustice against his name - he has shone the light for abused men, women & children. He's given victims who never had a voice the chance to feel "heard" & gave those who'd not experienced it, insight & understanding. I hope this leads to a more compassionate world where abused will feel safer to speak up & feel "understood"
He's a drunk, a druggie, and a degenerate. He's an "abused man" in the same way that Trump won the 2020 election.
Vasquez and Chew had me listening to every word. Rottenborn had me with the law, but then the rest of it they just kinda lost me.
Like you and Runkle said, Depp's team shows you how much they believe in their client compared to Heard's.
I served on a jury once - a murder case - and it's such a relief to walk into the jury room and be able to talk to your fellow jurors, FINALLY. You spend, in my case, a week and a half, avoiding or simply making small talk with the people you sit next to everyday in the jury box. It's a weird dynamic, because you're all strangers, yet you're supposed to reach a decision as a whole. It is weird, it feels weird... and I can't even imagine what six/seven weeks of it looks or feels like. But I am happy for the jury, that they can now convene, discuss and come to a consensus to put this thing to rest.
The closing agreement for JD side made me feel comfortable enough to call a lawyer finally. I know it sounds stupid but my ex is an abuser and abused not only me but my child i had with him and his other 3 kids i took care of.. and did everything to protect. Hearing Johnny's lawyers speak about all of that truly made me able to write a statement for a protection order while I'm going for full custody and what I want to ask the lawyer incase things go to court in any way
Wishing all the very best as you take such a brave and strong step.
Definitely not stupid at all, good luck to you and best wishes on your journey to justice and healing
I wish you all the best on your journey. When you feel like you don’t have the strength to go on remember that you do and you can.
Thank you guys for your support. Frankly its all just scary... me being only 22 atm and him being 36.. but all that matters is making it safer for my child in the world no matter what it takes. Watching this trial has been so hard (and so many others) and made me not want to talk to my lawyer because of the anxiety and pure panic it caused me...all the "what ifs". Im just happy I have the strength now.
Good for you! God bless you and be blessed. Do it!
Rewatching this a year later, and I still can’t believe what a trainwreck Elaine was. I would feel bad for Amber for having such a bad lawyer if Amber herself wasn’t so awful.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one coming back to this almost a year later! Elaine really was an absolute disaster
Well, to give her a little benefit of the doubt, Camille was an absolute rockstar. Elaine was much more like 99% of real world lawyers.
Also, one might reasonably suspect that AH is lording over her own case and dictating what her lawyers did. One might suspect that Elaine has a bats**t client.
Funfact: Rottenborn used like 1 hour and 15 minutes and Elaine used around 40 minutes, according to the timestamps on the stream. So it wasn't Elaine who burned their time, it just felt that way. And yes, it still feels that way for me as I rewatch this a year later xD
(No, I'm not defending Elaine.)
@@serenetivI think that's what made Elaine so frazzled-- Rottenborn's waste of time-- so she was scattered and stressed? Who knows lol Elaine was a hot mess. Her and amber deserve each other imo.
@@AmandaPaige71 I mean, she was all over the place in her opening, too. But I think Rottenborn had a different plan than Amber and Elaine tried to take her wishes into account more or something ^^'
But I agree xD
As someone who had endured a "real" 11 yr marriage where a lot of this was my life amber really should seek help. I hope she does for her child's sake, she's truly disturbed. My testimony was done in chambers due to me not being able to recount the stuff that happened in front of my ex. Prayers and strength to all the survivors of DV IPRV or any a***e of any kind 💜💜💜💜
She seriously has a way of offending actual people who have and are are now living with an abusive partner. Her personality disorders are so obvious to victims.
We have all seen our abusers act like that.
Example: Yes. That’s true. I pledged 7 million.
That was classic “you didn’t see and hear what you claim.
Another example: You weren’t “punched” Jawney. I hit you. You weren’t punched.
Minimizing your reality.
Thanks for sharing. Hope you’re doing okay now. I really hope this case doesn’t make other real victims less likely to come forward in the future.
Thank you for sharing your story. I hope you are healing 💓
she should have kept this private - why tell the world except for defamation - if he wasn't Depp she would have. It's truly disgusting that she aired their dirty laundry - based on that one thing alone, I don't have sympathy for her
@@Grace-ht3qz she didn't just "air out the dirty laundry" she created the damn laundry lol one thing that bothers me so damn much with this case, people saying they are both toxic or that the abuse was equal. I just cant see how anyone could believe a single word she says. It's clear he was responding to being abused and that's not fair to hold against him. She said insane stuff and none of it happened, I'd to fucking crazy too.
When Ben and Camille were doing their closing arguments, I teared up both times. I think they both did great! When Rottonborn and Elaine were presenting, I felt icky and like they were trying to manipulate me. I get the whole "in the light most favorable" to their witness but it felt more like they were trying to twist the facts around to where they were just different.
Yes Johnny's team are really caring ,smart and love johnny
It wouldnt be like this if they didnt 100% believe him
Exactly this .....I felt real feelings & emotion from his team , they are not only representing him but they believe and stand behind every word their saying . Her team made me feel like they were twisting the truth .
I got confused…I felt like Rottenborn and Elaine were both attempting to re-try their case before the jury whereas, Camille and Ben spoke to the evidence that supported their case.
A gaslighter found gaslighters to represent her. Makes sense, no?
The huge difference between Amber in the recordings, to the prim and proper one who is sitting in the courtroom is like day and night! I can't believe a word she says!
Hair crown today
Regarding all of his texts of apologies to Amber: In my opinion he is apologizing for his drug use and drinking. Nowhere is he apologizing for physically harming her. He is ashamed of himself for falling off the waggon time and time again.
Yes… I also feel like in these types of relationships you might feel guilty or use that feeling to try and solve problems. Imagine if there’s constant fights, there would be also constant strategies to cope (from both sides). Johnny Depp has been quite accepting on him being a mess in various aspects, she on the other side seems defensive and even agressive… I obviously cannot know exactly, but… it looks to me he would be always apologizing, firstly because he felt he could do better at his addiction as you said, secondly to make the situation calmer. To generate a reconciliation or get to a good moment when the relationship was non toxic.
I often talk to people that are in my life daily through text, in person, and over the phone. I think relying solely on the words in the messages for the context of that conversation doesn't make sense. They should have discussed and asked for outside context. Apologies could be for drinking, drug use, slamming a door, saying something hurtful, or anything really. Sure, you can interpret that as an apology for physical abuse, but without discussing the context around that text, how would you know, ROTTENBORN??
Also, Rottenborn literally states that abused parties will apologise for things that arent their fault or responsibility. MAYBE some of those apology texts were for things he didn't do but still felt guilty for, like when someone throws a tantrum and throws something that hits someone, that hit person might apologise for being in the way of the throw instead of admitting that the thing was thrown AT them BY the person having the fit.
He's not apologizing for hitting her because it didn't happen. All those hidden recordings and she never caught it? All the security guards and friends that say they never saw a mark on her? It never happened.
So what if hes apologizing for his drunken outbursts? That doesn't mean he hit her and is hiding it. SHEs the one who was recorded saying "I started a physical fight, I was hitting you" and SHE is the one who others testified was the one hitting and berrating the other.
You can't apologize for what didn't happen, but at least he apologized for something. More than Amber can say
Every time the defence says that Johnny never admitted to anything he’s done wrong in his life it’s like….. he admitted more wrong than Amber has.
Right? Throughout most of the closing arguments, I was like "I know you were present and a part of the trial, but did you *ACTUALLY WATCH* the trial?"
The man admitted to to doing every drug under the sun and drinking. He also admitted that he hides when abused. He didn't lie
I have a really good feeling that it will be ruled in Depps favor. The day of the closing statements is exactly 6yrs to the day since she said it. I don't believe in coincidences as everything happens for a reason. Camille said it best when she something like "Six yrs ago he was accused of abuse so he should be vindicated"
Absolutely. He's been open about the level to which he has screwed up, the drugs he's used, the drinking, the text messages, the fact that he was ashamed and regretful about the language used.
He has acknowledged a heck of a lot. She has acknowledged nothing, unless she could point the finger at someone else. Unless she could say "I did this because Johnny did this", she didn't admit anything.
Amber’s team kept overemphasizing that Johnny was a drug addict and a drunk. But nothing was said about hers.
Courts should take cases in camera because it is too dangerous not to. After seeing how the MSM gaslights & lies to the public, imagine what they would have said if we didn’t see it.
It’s exposed so much.
Great job Emily, ur channel is education & entertainment.
The start of Rottenborn’s closing was seemingly powerful stuff, until you realise none of it actually applies to AH. As he continued, I found it difficult listening to him tbh, had to switch off. AH’s lies have been exposed. One only hopes the jury will reach the same conclusion.
The “woe is me” pitiful look on AH’s face during Elaine’s rambling, is ridiculous. I hope the jury decides that JD needs to be fully redeemed. That poor man.
@#PrisonForJohnnyDepp righto crazy person. Make a statement that makes sense next time. Smh
Agreed! The exaggerated pitiful look she does where she sucks in her chin and lower lip drives me up the wall! Then she’ll abruptly sneer and do fake smiles, then immediately back to the pitiful look. She’s a complete fraudster and psychopath!
I feel like her emotion is real. i feel like she knows this isn't going well. At several points, Rottenborn and Amber have the same expressions.
@#PrisonForJohnnyDepp Prison for JD? That’s a bit much. He’s owned up to his wrong doings, unlike AH, who has denied everything. EVERYONE else is lying, right? She’s the only one telling the truth. BS. She’s been called out, and instead of admitting to her lies, she’s claiming even worse. If anyone should get locked up, its AH. She is the abuser. SHE hit him. SHE threw the bottles, cutting off his finger.
@#PrisonForJohnnyDepp I was going to call you an idiot but after looking at your channel, I can't tell if you're fucking with people or if you're just plain crazy.
I can’t lie this is very emotional, that man sustained abuse as a child, and adult,but still showed love care and concern for his predators.. The most high is with you Jonny💜 love you so much
He's got a soft heart.
Elaine reminds me of an elderly relative at a Thanksgiving dinner party who had a little bit to much wine and is telling everyone at the table the most uncomfortable past story in a very exaggerating manner..
I think a lot of us have that Aunt
YES
Lmao
I loved listening to Johnny’s attorneys but I can’t even listen to Amber’s. It’s so hard to listen to lies and so easy to listen to the truth.
It really feels like they think talking fast and a lot makes things true.
@@missmentha Right?! Elaine literally gave me a headache. LOL
same here, i can’t stand her lawyers.
Same, I am so thankful Emily timestamps them because I can just skip to Johnny's attorneys 😂
I almost can’t listen to her side. It’s so painful lol
Camille’s face and reactions during the entire time Elaine was talking is everything
Ben Chew getting choked up for 5 seconds, showing more genuine emotion than Amber has in 6 weeks
His whole team seem genuinely fighting for Depp. They appear to really like him. AH team ,especially the male lawyers never comfort her, never look sympathetic to her , Depps lawyers all comfort him , smile at him, etc constantly throughout the trial
The professionalism between lawyers for AH and JD are as night and day just like the experts.. its crazyyyy ! AH's lawyers testifying and mischaracterising evidence...awful 🤯
Totally agree. 👍💯
They shouldn't be allowed to do that
Judge let them hang themselves. Its her call, and a good one.
Noa
The difference between the teams of lawyers was never so stark then in these closing arguments. It was like night and day.
The one thing I noticed and have to criticize is Heard’s teams reliance on Ambers testimony. Half their closing arguments was “amber said this” or “amber showed us that”. I think Johnny’s team discredited her so badly in court that these statements are practically meaningless without evidence to back it up.
Well they Had to say Amber said this and that because that's pretty much all the "evidence" they had to go on as there was either zero evidence or fabricated. I would feel sorry for them (and actually was sorry to hear Elaine was heard crying in the restroom after) but they really did have some dirty tactics and were extremely rude and bullish to many people in stark contrast to Team Depp
Camille: "good morning " Jury: "good morning " other attorneys: 'good morning ' Jury: 🤨
See how when someone gets choked up (like Ben) you immediately feel it? 1:47:28
I’ve Never felt that while listening to Amber. Never.
That’s what hits home for me.
Same, when I was listening to it yesterday I started getting teary eyed just hearing his voice. He and Camille should be so proud of them self’s. They way they have behaved and presented has been nothing more than class. 👏
When Ben turned around and said "That's EXACTLY what she testified to" - oh my goodness, Ben STAHP IT I'm married!
I gasped aloud and said “the sass, Ben!!!” When he snapped back. It’s what I say when my kiddo becomes sassy. I loved it.
Rottenborn is a good lawyer representing a bad client. Everything he said initially is correct....only problem is that she doesn't have evidence is fine but JD's team having evidence to the contrary.
No he’s a slimy, mushy, rotten lawyer
He's a shit lawyer helping an abuser abuse their victim further.. He and his team has been cheating the whole way through
I think Ben Chu was just as surprised at his emotional moment as the rest of us were. And immediately I was in tears as well. That felt very real. Wow.