Hadith Rejectors Under Scrutiny 1:52 Ustadh Mansur on why the topic is chosen 7:05 intro of guest Imam Karim and Muhammad Ali, Jake 9:07 Imam Karim self intro 10:53 Imam Karim's take on hadith rejectors 19:54 Imam Karim on the historicity of hadith rejectors 28:58 Muhammad Ali's- agenda of hadith rejectors, Intellect or submission 34:44 brother Jake's journey as a new muslim and hadith rejector in the beginning 38:49 Sam Dawah speaker's corner video 44:37 Shaykh Uthman Farooq comes as a panel member 47:55 Imam Karim's on hadith's place in islam and parting words GUESTS 56:35 Ibn El Shem Yahudi (troll) 1:09:07 Quran First Muslim 1:18:28 Rational Faith 1:27:35 Karim Lewis 1:42:33 Quran Alone (habib) 2:06:44 muslim (pakistani) 2:15:50 Quran Alone (habib) again 2:30:09 Dzigg 2:37:03 QQ 2:48:17 nograD 2:50:06 Muhammad bin Muhammad Khalid 3:07:36 Skeptik Muslim 3:28:24 caleb.doge_thedemenzz89 (troll) 3:41:40 Suhayb almesmary 3:48:16 Salman Nausher 3:54:21 kevin 4:11:02 Quran Only 4:42:57 Abdallah 4:45:20 Muhammad Omar faruq 4:52:19 One Dawah 4:53:17 Ustadh mansur observations 5:04:05 Shaykh jake's take on the quranists 5:05:45 Muhammad ali's summary 5:07:05 Ustadh Hashim outtro
Also, what they did is a simple thing, I can debate whole days perhaps, And alone, while they're 5 people, And they've annoying sunni guests, Which gives them rest, and they mute, So what a "gladiator" is it? They're cowards.
Masha Allah, I am very very pleased to see brother Mohammed Ali. This brother masha Allah never stops surprising me of his knowledge, may Allah preserve him
3:58:57 common claim is that “hikma” refers to “hadith” of the prophet. Same argument made by Shafi long ago. As an example of a modern day rebuttal see chapter 7 of brother Naveed’s work: Chapter 07 Al-Hikma (A Separate Revelation from the Qur'an?) The previous chapters present much evidence to conclude that the true Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah was to live by the Qur’an, preach by the Qur’an, judge by the Qur’an, and give explanations by the Qur’an. However, sometimes human beings get stuck on an idea that they have been programmed with and they would look for any and every excuse to somehow validate that idea. The proponents of Hadith are no different. They now come back and site the following Ayah to suggest that Allah revealed at least two different revelations to the Prophet Muhammad, one being the Book , and the other being the Wisdom : “…For Allah has sent down to you the Book and the Wisdom and taught you what you knew not…” (4:113) We will see that just like al-Dhikr (The Reminder), al-Hikma (The Wisdom) is also an attribute of the Qur’an. The Qur’an is not just a Book of laws and regulations. It also contains the Wisdom behind those laws and regulations. Thus when Allah says “Book and Wisdom”, He is emphasizing that it is a “written record” that contains “the wisdom” behind the written statements. We will now look at the Qur’an to establish the meaning of “Al-Hikma”. As we have established before that the delivery or “Balagha” of the Messenger is the Qur’an, we start with the Ayah that relates the Balagha to the Hikma: “There has already come to them recitals wherein there is (enough) to check; delivery of Wisdom - but the preaching of warners profits them not.” (54:4-5) Here the delivery is that of Hikma. As we have seen above that the delivery is from the Book of Allah. Therefore, this Ayah establishes that Hikma is from the Book and not outside. Then in the following Ayah, Allah establishes that The Qur’an is the Hikma: “These are of the Wisdom , which your Lord has revealed to you. Take not, with Allah, another object of Worship, lest you should be thrown into hell, blameworthy and rejected” (17:39). This Ayah clearly establishes that part of the Hikma revealed to the Messenger is that he “Take not, with Allah, another object of Worship, lest you should be thrown into hell, blameworthy and rejected”, which is part of the Qur’an. Then, “This is what We rehearse to you of the Ayaat and the Reminder of Wisdom ” (3:58) Note here that Allah ties Wisdom to the Dhikr, which we have already established to be the Qur’an. It is also important to note that the “Reminder of Wisdom” is to be recited . The only thing that the Muslims recite is the Qur’an. No one ever recites Hadith. Thus the Hikma is just another attribute of the Qur’an. Also interesting to note is that the teaching of the Messenger of the Book and the Wisdom is always tied to him reciting the Ayaat of the Qur’an; see for example: “Allah did confer a great favor on the believers when He sent among them a Messenger from among themselves, reciting to them the Ayaat of Allah, purifying them, and teaching them the Book and the Wisdom, while before that they were in manifest error” (3:164) Allah further says that He ONLY instructs us to RECITE His Book and NOTHINGH ELSE: “And is it NOT ENOUGH for them that We have sent down to you the Book, which is Recited to them? Verily, in it is Mercy and Reminder to those who believe” (29:51) Allah leaves no doubt that it is the Book that He wants us to Recite. Again notice that everything outside of the Book is excluded by this Ayah. Thus if Hikma, or Dhikr were “other revelations” outside of the Book then this Ayah excludes them. Note here again in 29:51 that what is sent down is of the Book only (and that is enough), which further confirms that Hikma is included in the Book. We now look at another evidence that al-Hikma is something that is to be recited. We see that Allah commanded the wives of the Messenger to recite al-Hikmah: Wazakurna ma_ yutla_ fi buyu_tikun na min a_ya_til la_hi wal hikmah inal la_ha ka_na latifan khabira "And bear in mind that which is recited in your houses of the revelations of Allah and wisdom . Lo! Allah is Subtile, Aware." (33:34) This verse, along with the above evidence leaves no doubt that Hikmah was to be recited, and that it is just another attribute of the Qur’an. However, some people say that “Yutla” does not necessarily mean “to recite” but could also mean “to read from memory”. They insist that in this Ayah, the Hadith of the Prophet are included and his wives are instructed to read the verses of the Qur’an as well as the Hadith of the Prophet. This claim is not only baseless but quite funny. First of all, the Qur’an uses the words “Tilawa”, “yatlu”, “Tatlu” , etc. explicitly for RECITATION of the VERSES of the QUR’AN. In addition, the reading of the Hadith for the wives would create a very comical situation. It would be interesting for the wives of the Prophet to be reciting that “The Messenger stood up by a wall and urinated”, and that “The Messenger had sex with 9 women in one night”, and that “Messenger poked out the eyes of some people and cut their hands and feet and put them up on the wall to die”, and that “Messenger told us not to write the Hadith but we are writing it anyway” (please see these Hadith in the Appendix). I hope the proponents of Hadith see the ridiculousness of their concocted “explanation”. Allah clearly explains to us that Wisdom is an attribute of the Qur’an: “Alif Laam Ra. These are the Verses of the Book of Wisdom ” (10:1) “Alif Lam Mim. These are the Verses of the Book of Wisdom” (31:1-2)
Sheikh karim abuzaid is my teacher wallahi I benefited from him all of his lectures online may Allah grant him and us al jannatul fardus amen Sheikh mansur and Sheikh hashim you guys are the best masha Allah good job
May Allah guide you and him, he is a sell out taghut worshipper. I'm not Hadith rejector by the way they're kuffar so just you don't think I hate him for this I only hate him for the sake of Allah because Allah says to reject taghut while he cement their thrones.
You are all powerhouses of Islam. I have learned so much about the religion of Allah through each one of these 5 brothers. May Allah SWT reward, bless, have mercy on, and preserve you all. AMEEN.
Masya Allah, brother Jake and Mohammad Ali, may Allah SWT bless all of you and your parent. We have hope for the future because of young man like you willing to study and share your knowledge with other to please Allah SWT and the love of the Umah. May Allah SWT bless Br Mansur and Br Hashim for the sacrifice of your time and effort and give these platform for the Umah. Aamiin ya rabbalalamin. Thank's to all of you.
masha Allah.. so many great brothers in one stream. worth watching 10 times. Muhammad Ali. love you for the sake of Allah. may Allah bless you all. watching it again and again
I am so glad to see Mohammed Ali after a long time. MashaAllah very intelligent , gentle but knowledgeable. Does Mohammed Ali have a youtube channel ? Please publish it. Br. Jake MashaAllah too is excellent in his approach and delivery. May Allah SWT give these brothers hidaya and strength to reach great heights in Dawah.
Great work mashallah as always.. jazakmallah khair’n ..May allah subhanahu wa ta'ala grant brother Ijaz shifa Inshallah.. Allaahumma Rabban-naas, adhhibil-ba's, washfi antash- Shaafi laa shifaa'a illaa shifaa'uka shifaa'an laa yughaadiru saqaman.. please invite brother Mohammed Ali more often he have such a special way of speaking mashallah that makes you want to listen from him more.
Almost every Hadeeth Rejector who came on this stream was insincere, rude, ignorant or an outright liar. Subhan'Allah I had no ideas how misguided and deviant they are. This sect is a danger to Islam. May Allah SWT guide them to the truth. Ameen.
One thing I realised that these quranist stream does is it brings out all the crazies. 99% are clueless and haven't got a clue what Allah says in the Quran even though they claim they follow it.
SubhanAllah it has been and continues to be an honour to be alongside Mansur & Hashim on this journey of Dawah. I even saw myself on this stream 😂Just 3 years and we've changed a lot.
I hope and pray my son becomes like our precious gem 💎💯✌️ Young brother Ali Aameen thumma Aameen with his love for Deen his blessed knowledge and amazing character and Awesome manners Allah humma baarik habibi 🤲😭🤲💝💎💯✌️🤝👍🌹
My life would be empty without the guidance of that Amazing Man - the Saviour of Mankind SAW. His example is the standard for humanity on all aspects of life. 💯
Allah humma baarik dearest respected brother's may Allah subhaanahu ta aala bless you all in abundance with all forms of goodness and protect you all from all forms of harm may Allah subhaanahu ta aala accept all your hard work efforts sacrifices patience good deeds and increase you in abundance with all goodness Aameen thumma Aameen love our young brother Ali such a gem 💎💯✌️🤝👍🤲💝 Alhamdulillah so proud of him 🤲👍🤝✌️💯💎
Doesn't the first guy sound like Adam who said initially he was non-muslim, then he is a muslim (Arab), then he is non-Arab?? Why can't people be sincere with themselves these days instead of trying really hard to win an argument?
Yep, I'm pretty sure he also claimed to be a mathematician talking about 1/-infinity only for an actual mathematician to come on later and rebuke him. He's an outright liar, clearly a deviant little loser with nothing better to do in his life. Needs to be banned and told to look at himself on the mirror until he accepts how pathetic he is.
Salamoualikom my brothers. What a panel Masa Allah. Was watching Hamza and forgot this one. Nice to see Mohammed Ali again and Jake. Brother Uthman ibn Farooq is always great to see him again. Mansur and Hakim my Allah give you paradise with what you are doing. It benefit us.
I had time to watch more of this live stream discussion, and it's very helpful as highlights the way the "Quran only" approach, hadith rejection is very misguided. Jazak'Allah Khair.
May Allah guide you and show you the true way. Al-Jasiyah 45:6 تِلْكَ ءَايَٰتُ ٱللَّهِ نَتْلُوهَا عَلَيْكَ بِٱلْحَقِّۖ فَبِأَىِّ حَدِيثٍۭ بَعْدَ ٱللَّهِ وَءَايَٰتِهِۦ يُؤْمِنُونَ These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His verses will they believe?
@@revelation333 do you believe you know Qur'an better then Muhammad pbuh. Allah is the one with best knowledge of quran and Allah taught Muhammad pbuh. So we want Muhammad pbuh sunnah explanation of the Qur'an not yours as you do not get revelation from Allah. Alhamdulilah for Islam
Wow SubhanAllah how arrogant are some of these guests. Sheikh said it right it's sad. They don't have patience and have the arrogance to think they know it all. Their hearts and intellect appear to be closed. May Allah guide them.
Waalaikumsalam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh thank you very much for all that you guys do may Allah bless every single one of you and keep you in the straight path thank you Brothers for all that you do
Pardon me. I'll stop after this one. The first two speakers immediately mentioned 59-7 "What the MESSENGER has given you take it." This verse is concerning the spoils of war NOT hadith. Strange how you constantly catch Christians using verse out of context in hundreds of videos YET forget to apply the same intelligence to your own belief system. Im a huge fan of the 3 Brothers I recognize and think you do excellent jobs debating the concept of oneness and the self sufficient nature of God. Again, i can't understand why you would imagine the Faith was not "Completed" as the book says and that Allah needed others to add a bit extra. It's like an instruction manual for an instruction manual. Its man worship. Simple and plain. Allah alone guides. Alone.
The second part of that verse applies to obedience of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ in all matters of deen and not just in spoils of war. From various Quranic verses we can confirm that we are obliged to obey the Messenger of Alläh in all matters, this is the Command from Allah! The Lord of the worlds. For one to reject a verified and an authentic Hadith, is to reject the words of the Messenger of Alläh. To reject the words of the Messenger, is to reject the Command of Allah. To reject the Command of Alläh is disobedience of Alläh. As for those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and overstep His limits, We will admit them into a Fire, remaining in it timelessly, forever. They will have a humiliating punishment. (Surat an-Nisa` 4: 14)
As it is already answered to you, this part of an ayat refers to any command of a Prophet Muhammad, Salallahu Alayhi was-Salam, and not just about spoils of war.
@@eldagon9306 - EVERY Command from the Prophet is preserved in the Quran and has the term QUL before it. Big difference between a Command and an observation. Even if that observation is considered sahih.
@@restlessnative3818 I'm not interested in your interpretation of Quran. Read Tafsir ibn Kathir, he gives quotes from the Sahaba and their disciples, and this part of an ayat refers to every command of the prophet Muhammad, Salallahu Alayhi was-Salam.
@@eldagon9306 - Because you're an idol worshipper. Im QUOTING the Quran not interpreting it but you don't care what it says only what your idols say about it. Typical.
DawahWise alongside brother Jake and Muhammad Ali (The Muslim lantern) and the Shelkh how can you not learn something when these brothers are together teaching their brothers and sisters for the sake of Allah swt. May Allah swt bless each one of you and shower you all with his mercy May your hard work and efforts be rewarded on that day when only your actions will benefit you
Some muslim brothers they have to know, the reason behind for keeping the Dhaif hadith. To be aware why they don't throw them out of the books. There are to show you the science of hadith how it's done to those who seeking the knowledge to learn about it. Without Dhaif hadith being kept. The scholars they can use for study reasons.
Salam. Hashim and Mansur if I have to give my life to save yours I wont heaitate and regret for a second. May Allah protect and keep you save and give you swab for all you do. Loooooooove you both. Afghani Brother feom Cali.
Yes they have. My mom is Hadith rejecter. I was too because we were taught so. But i am since 1 Year not a hadith rejecter any more. It was very difficult for me, because my mom was noch just like its easier that why she doesnt believe in hadiths. She is very sternly with her ideology. She doesnt know that i am not hadith rejecter anymore…. sorry for my bad English
I can't believe they did so big live stream... I have literally done 0 infront of them for the ummah... Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَى bless u my brother, we lobe you.
@@adrianabonitaaziz You are absolutely right sister. There is only 1 God. Jesus عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ & Muhammad ﷺ are 2 mighty messengers of Allah (God in Arabic). You can find more on "Many Prophet's One Message" TH-cam channel. May Allah bless & guide u.
Marsha Allah mohammed Ali stole the show! He was amazing. Brothers let Jake take on more questions his very eloquent and has excellent questioning skills
@@wackypeace1135 perhaps Jake has a better connection speed? Maybe the sheikh is on wifi and Jake on ethernet. i just highly doubt its the headset/mic, but ofcourse i could be wrong.
@@smr_0172 i dont think its about connection since you can hear the echo and stuttered from the audio. If the connection problem it gonna affect the lag between audio and video.
peace/salaam, Thank you for this discussion. Firstly there is a difference between “sunna” (precedent/practice) and “hadith” (narration). These days “sunna” is tied to (alleged) authentic “hadith”, so they are often used interchangeably but this was not really the case in early Islam. Rejecting one does not necessarily mean rejecting the other (see Fazlur Rahman’s works as an example). A famous much older example may be Imam Malik when he sometimes favoured the sunnah of Madinah over an (alleged) authentic hadith. I will address most of the issues raised in this video (the ones that can be answered concisely, some issues require lengthier explanation) however it will be done in parts (and if they do not appear here once posted I will have them posted elsewhere), this is to avoid potential censorship. Time in video 11:58 Quotes from Musnan Ahmad claiming there will come a time when some people hold the (alleged) prophetic sunnah of no account. Let’s answer this with Quran Ch25 verse 30: And the Messengers will say, "O My Lord, my people had abandoned this Quran." Which has more weight: Musnan Ahmad or Al Quran? If you prefer hadith, sahih Muslim, book 7 Hajj, 2803: “...I have left among you the Book of Allah, and if you hold fast to it, you would never go astray....” The above is from the (alleged) prophet’s last sermon and has many variations. Interestingly in the variations some add on “sunnah” some add on “ahl-ul-bayt”. Which version is correct? Ask yourself: What source of guidance do all the variations have in common? Time in video 14:46 he references wrong verse, I assume he means Ch9 verse 5. Claims we need “sunna” to explain this verse. We do not. As many Traditional scholars have said, the best explanation of Quran is Quran. Firstly, the context is specific and it is talking about those polytheists who violated the treaty. Ironically Islamaphobes ignore context to make their point also. Secondly, we simply look at all other verses discussing warfare and we will see such as wars of aggression are not allowed, if the other party inclines to peace one must also incline to peace, freedom of belief e.g. Ch2 verse 256, so fighting/killing another only based on a differing belief is unacceptable. There are many verses on these points. Side note: most Traditionalists claim this verse abrogates many verses of Quran, they do not know how many verses are abrogated. Ironic considering this is exactly the method one would use if one wanted to have their way with Quran interpretation, exactly what he accuses “Quranists” of. Time in video 15:14 a popup appears claiming Quran tells us to “obey the prophet” in various verses. False. The Quran NEVER says “obey the prophet” rather it says “obey the messenger”. These are not equivalent terms, “messenger” is a role, not the person, and is specifically tied to a message. Unfortunately some think author of Quran uses words haphazardly, no, words are specific and chosen for a reason. to be continued...
Time in video 1:20:41 see Mufti Abu Layth’s videos on the (alleged) return of Jesus. 1:27:38 see Muhammad Asad’s translation of Ch4 v159. I do not see how that proves Jesus will return to earth. Time in video 1:34:16 scholars disagree with how many hadith are classed as “mutawattir”, ranging from one to a few hundred. Each scholar has their own subjective criteria. Why not go with Quran’s criteria, e.g. 4 witnesses/statements is enough to convict an adulterer, so if we apply the same to hadith, i.e. each link in the chain must have 4 witnesses - how many would pass? Very few, perhaps none. Perhaps this the point Karim was going to make. Interestingly all scholars accept Quran verses pass mutawattir criteria - there is no science of Quran sifting weak strong verses - reflect on that. Why would God preserve one source so differently to the other if they were both a necessity? 1:36:01 almost all hadith were not transmitted with exact same wording (verbatim). As mentioned above perhaps only one is agreed upon unanimously AFAIK - “Whoever tells a lie against me intentionally, then surely let him occupy his seat in Hellfire.”. Almost all hadith are transmitted in meaning only (riwayah bi'l-maʿnā) - all hadith scholars know this. Time in video 1:50:21 Uthman claims “wa” must refer to something different. No, sometimes that it the case in Quran, sometimes not. A well known example being Ch55 v68 or Ch2 v238 or Ch21 v48 or Ch16 v89. See Ch6 for detailed study of this issue “Quran - The True Sunnah of the Messenger” by Naveed. In any case “messenger” is tied to a role, to a message. The verse does not say obey the prophet. At best this argument is indirect, and an extrapolation to apply it to words of men who came later. 2:05:49 it is often implied Quran was passed down same way as hadith/sunnah etc. A commonly stated argument by those who wish to raise traditional hearsay/ahadith to divine-status level is that its compilation was the same as The Quran. Is that really true? Lets look at the simple and obvious facts... The Quran = God's Word Ahadith = man's word The Quran = 100% fact/truth/perfect Ahadith = mix of truth and falsehood (hence weak and strong hadith) The Quran = recorded under the DIRECT supervision of prophet Muhammad Ahadith = not recorded under the DIRECT supervision of prophet Muhammad The Quran = written AND memorised word for word as soon as it was transmitted Ahadith = no-one ever claimed to record and memorise ahadith word for word as soon as it was transmitted The Quran = protected explicitly by God Himself as stated in The Quran Ahadith = no such explicit protection stated The Quran = no Muslim doubts its credibility Ahadith = each sect has its own versions, weak & strong ones etc The Quran = in-built verification mechanism, e.g. challenges others to find inconsistancy, bring a chapter like it etc. Ahadith = no such in-built mechanism, full of inconsistancies, unscientific info etc.
[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt. [6:115] The word of your Lord is complete,* in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient. [6:116] If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.
I am not sure why these Hadeeths rejecters themselves cant come up with one understanding of the Quran, ask them about all the issues and they will all differ on every issue.
MashAllah another fantastic stream. May Allah reward all the Panelist for their work. As for our Hadith rejectors, if you are truly muslim, learn about ur deen and don't follow ur desires, may Allah guide you all. The Dawahwise team, for a topic you could cover next if you not already thinking of it. Ahmedis, they are very secretive and alot of the muslim ummah don't know much about them. I think a stream on them will be perfect to show how false they are. Maybe hopefully an expert in them for the panel. It's good we show those sects that clearly not follow Quran and sunnah.
600 years seperates christians from submitters (muslims), Christians started off as Unitarians (regects trinity), until fallible humans started to Idolize the messenger thus becoming Christ-ions, you all are doing the same with the last messenger( the messengers only duty is to deliver a message[Quran], notice its messenger and not any prophets name.why didnt the prophets make an autobiography? Chapter 69:44, that will answer your question, please pay attention to my comment, InshAllah you all will be guided.
@@Neddy540 exactly, who gave the people after the prophet authority to scribe a whole book that apparently forms the foundations of being a muslim? How do we know they weren't misled by Shaytan, the Quran is preserved by Allah whereas "ahadith" are not, they are sayings of people.
@@blumachinethat’s why we have strong and weak Hadith’s (to filter the correct Hadith’s ) and nothing like strong or weak verse in quran…..the oral tradition of quran is similar to the tradition of Sahih hadiths ……if one rejects Hadith’s he will actually face many problems for ex he doesn’t know the proper way to pray,he won’t be able to explain different qiraat or ahruf of quran and thus cannot claim that quran is preserved
Calling these people "Quran only" or "Followers of Quran" is absolutely WRONG. They are not even realizing that they clearly rejecting Quran by rejecting the sunnah of our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.
The Quran says that Allah guides your heart. When Allah guides your heart, you can't be wrong or go astray. Allah wanted to preserve the Quran only, so HE did guide the hearts of those who wrote the Quran. Allah did not guide the hearts of the same people who wrote the Hadith. Allah did not specify that HE will preserve the Hadith too. Therefore, if they are not guided in writing the Hadith, then they could go wrong and astray. Therefore, the arguments that we should believe in the Hadith because it was written by the same person who wrote the quran does not hold true. The Quran is preserved, but the Hadith is not.
@@KORAN-ALONE bro where do people like you breed? I mean seriously ya'll are creating sects within Islam like a plague but than you won't believe that right? Cause ya'll reject hadiths omg 🤦♀️😵
@@KORAN-ALONE but how so? you just saw that you guys clearly reject the Qur'an as well when you reject the sunnah and still you have enough guts to say that you are on the right path?
@@abdulmajid2728Everyone rejects hadith even bulhari rejected 98% hadith and kept the 2 % Unfortunately even the 2% is so faulty and corrupt that some Muslims had to reject that too. So quranists are actullay returning to original message of islam.
Amazing session of brilliant highly intelligent well educated muslims giving huge amounts of knowledge for all to learn from... May ALLAH bless and reward u wonderful people may ALLAH bless and reward u and shower u with his endless blessings
As a guy who love history by reading and understanding History books from throughout the years with all the names of the kings battles what policy they did...etc these Hadith rejectors would reject all of that history, just because they can't trust who wrote them because they didn't live at that time.
There is a difference between taking information from history books and using history books as a source of law and religious jurisprudence. There is a difference
Cognitive dissonance of being unable to contemplate information that goes against their limited beliefs of understanding. They have made their beliefs about their individual emotions and present day mindset of the self, convenience just like many Christians. It is following their desires as well as being guided by their ignorance, maybe fear to. May Allah keep us guided and upon the truth, ameen
Well my dear brother, what does Allah SWT say in the Quran about people who take their own desires as their god?... I’m sure most of us know the answer... And..IF they TRULY are “Quran-only” people, then THEY should know about this verse more than anyone else!!... Subhanallah, what juhaal most of these people are! May Allah SWT protect us and our families and progeny. Ameen.
Alhamdulillah I want to give thank you to Allah swt for bringing you Brothers together assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh and I want to thank all of you for all the good that you do male everywhere every single one of you and collect all every single one of you together with all the beautiful profits of Allah swt and thank you for all you have taught me and also the only when we watch you on Facebook that's all I watch everyday Alhambra dealer I love you all for the sake of Allah swt
الله: انك لا تسمع الموتى السنة: ما انتم بأسمع من الأموات ولكن لا يجيبون الله: يوم يكشف عن ساق ويدعون الى السجود فلا يستطيعون السنة: الرسول يقول: 'أنا الحاشر الذي يحشر الناس على قدمي' الله: فأخذهم الله بذنوبهم السنة: لو لم تذنبوا لذهب الله بكم الله: ان تبدوا ما في انفسكم او تخفوه يحاسبكم به الله. السنة: إن الله تجاوز عن أمتي ما حدثت به أنفسها ما لم تعمل، أو تكلم. الله: قل من حرم زينة الله التي اخرج لعباده؟ السنة: لبس الرجل للحرير والذهب حرام الله: اتموا الصيام الى الليل. السنة: اتموا الصيام الى الغروب الله: فبأي حديث بعده يؤمنون؟ السنة: حديث الرسول والصحابة. الله: فليأتوا بحديث مثله ان كانوا صادقين. السنة: اوتيت القرآن ومثله معه. الله: هل ينظرون الا ان يأتيهم الله السنة: هل ينظرون الا ان يأتيهم عيسى الله: إذا جاء أحدكم الموت توفته رسلنا وهم لا يفرطون السنة: موسى يفقأ عين ملك الموت رافضاً أن يموت الله: لا يشرك في حكمه أحداً. السنة: ألا إن ما حرم الرسول مثل ما حرم الله. الله: حق القول مني لأملأن جهنم من الجنة والناس أجمعين السنة: الله سيملأ جهنم برجله ثم تقول جهنم 'قط قط' ( المصدر صحيح مسلم الصفحة ٢٨٤٨ + صحيح البخاري صفحة ٤٨٤٨ ) الله: ادخلوا الجنة بما كنتم تعملون. السنة: لن يدخل احد عمله الجنة. الله: ياأيها الذين امنوا كونوا قوامين بالقسط شهداء لله ولو على أنفسكم أو الوالدين والأقربين. السنة: انصر أخاك ظالماً أو مظلوماً. الله: هو الأول والآخر والظاهر والباطن السنة: الرسول يقول: 'أنا العاقب الذي ليس بعده أحد' الله: اذا نودي للصلاة من يوم الجمعة. السنة: اذا نودي لصلاة يوم الجمعة. الله: أم حسب الذين اجترحوا السيئات أن نجعلهم كالذين آمنوا وعملوا الصالحات سواء محياهم ومماتهم ساء ما يحكمون السنة: يا ابن آدم إنك لو أتيتني بقراب الأرض خطايا ثم لقيتني لا تشرك بي شيئاً لأتيتك بقرابها مغفرة الله: حرمت عليكم الميتة والدم السنة: دم الكبد حلال الله: ويجعل الرجس على اللذين لا يعقلون. السنة: النقل قبل العقل. الله: من يرغب عن ملة ابراهيم الا من سفه نفسه. السنة: من يرغب عن ملة محمد الا من سفه نفسه. الله: الله يحب المطهرين السنة: الصحابة يتبركون ببصاق النبي ونخامته الله: العسل فيه شفاء للناس السنة: بول البعير فيه شفاء للناس الله: وما منعنا ان نرسل بالآيات الا ان كذب بها الاولون. السنة: الماء ينبع بين اصابع الرسول مثل العيون الله: ولقد رءاه نزلة أخرى السنة: ولقد رءاه صعدة أخرى الله: قل ان صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العالمين. السنة: اجعل لك ( يا محمد ) صلاتي كلها؟ قال: اذاً تكفى همك، ويكفر لك ذنبك. الله: كتب عليكم اذا حضر احدكم الموت ان ترك خيراً الوصية السنة: لا وصية لوارث الله: قل ما كنت بدعاً من الرسل وما ادري ما يفعل بي ولا بكم السنة: الرسول يبشر عشرة من اصحابه بالجنة الله: وليست التوبة للذين يعملون السيئات حتى اذا حضر احدهم الموت قال اني تبت الان السنة: من كان اخر كلامه لا اله الا الله دخل الجنة الله: ان تطع اكثر من في الارض يضلوك عن سبيل الله. السنة: من اراد بحبوحة الجنة فليلزم الجماعة. الله: اولم يكفهم انا انزلنا عليك الكتاب يتلى عليهم؟ السنة: لا لم يكفنا الله: ام لهم شركاء شرعوا لهم من الدين مالم يأذن به الله؟ السنة: نعم شركاءنا الروايات والافتاءات والشيوخ. الله: ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق للخيرات. السنة: الصحابة اورثوا الكتاب وكلهم سابق للخيرات ولايوجد احد منهم ظالم لنفسه. الله: وظن داود انما فتناه فاستغفر ربه وخر راكعاً السنة: قال ابن عربي انه لا يوجد خلاف بين العلماء ان معنى الركوع في هذه الآية هو السجود الله: ان الله لا يأمر بالفحشاء اتقولون على الله مالا تعلمون السنة: قالت: 'إن سالم رجل ذو لحية' قال: 'أرضعيه' الله: من شاء فليؤمن ومن شاء فليكفر السنة: من بدل دينه فاقتلوه
In 2:67 Musa gives the commandment of Allah to slaughter a cow. Instead of acting upon the commandment request straight away, they ask the prophet if he's joking. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2:67 And when said Musa to his people, "Indeed, Allah commands you that you slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you take us (in) ridicule." He said, "I seek refuge in Allah that I be among the ignorant." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - They then begin to question Musa about the details of the cow. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2:68 They said, "Pray for us (to) your Lord to make clear to us what it (is)." He said, "Indeed, He says, "[Indeed] it (is) a cow not old and not young, middle-aged between that," so do what you are commanded." 2:69 They said, "Pray for us (to) your Lord to make clear to us what (is) its color." He said, "Indeed, He says, '[Indeed] it is a cow yellow, bright (in) its color, pleasing (to) those who see (it).'" 2:70 They said, "Pray for us (to) your Lord to make clear to us what it (is). Indeed, [the] cows look alike to us. And indeed we, if wills Allah, (will) surely be those who are guided." 2:71 He said, "Indeed, He says, "[Indeed] it (is) a cow not trained to plough the earth, and not water the field; sound, no blemish in it." They said, "Now you have come with the truth." So they slaughtered it, and not they were near (to) doing (it). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - These ayats show the main reasons why people follow hadiths. Instead of taking the Quran which gives perfectly measured details on how to be amongst the successful, they want additional information and specifics. Allah says in the Quran such event happened so act like this to be amongst the righteous, hadith followers want to know the exact details of the characters involved, specifics of the event, and its surroundings. Like the Israelites, When Allah speaks to them through the Quran, they take the perfectly measured details to be a joke. They need the work of their scholars who they believe possess this additional knowledge.
Too many self claiming muslims have not studied islam and do not understand islam and nor do they follow the teachings of the holy Prophet MUHAMMAD pbuh and yet they want to come on air and argue about the religion they know absolutely nothing about with men who spent there lives studying islam and have made it their life to understand islam and the life of the prophet MUHAMMAD pbuh, like all four brothers on this panel who can give evidence for all their views and opinions using the Quran and the teachings of the holy Prophet MUHAMMAD pbuh and the life of the prophet MUHAMMAD pbuh and have knowledge that the viewers can actually learn from and then teach others using the evidence and work done by these well educated and highly knowledgeable brothers on tbis panel.. Quranist on this podcast have shown they do not even know how to pray salah as pescribed by the holy Prophet MUHAMMAD pbuh and the sahaba they know no understanding of islam due to not looking deeper using the hadith... u brothers have done a great job and and im gtateful and want to thank you for educating me and all the viewers around the world... may ALLAH bless and reward u for all your efforts in learning and giving dawah may ALLAH Shower u with his endless blessings...ameen
MasyaAllah, it's a good topic.. The issues of hadith are always being my concern for several months. The fact that even in the Bukhari there is some problematic hadiths (I.e the time of isra' & Mi'raj and story of Prophet's suicidal attempt) which still considered "shahih" is bothering me so much "how about the rest of the Bukhari? Can we still 100% relying on this narrator? And how about shahih hadiths from other narator i.e Muslim etc?" Please guys enlighten me, jazakallah.
@Nas - no that's not true. We know there are disconnected reports in bukhari, there is only a few of them, we already know which ones. So you can't say that none of bukhari's hadiths are authentic.
@@Mimi-Maa18Thanks. Zakir Naik and some other Ulama said that Bukhari and Muslim are legitly 100% authentic, I think that's too naive, neither people who blatantly rejecting them. I mean, they are probably contain some Prophet's ﷺ words, but 100%? Wallahu a'lam
So simply put, Allah didnt safeguard the Quran, but it was the sahabas. If it wasn't for the Sahabas, Allah would have been useless and could not keep the promise he made that he would protect the Quran. Interesting argument.
@@tayloryoung4974 If it wasn't for the Sahabas, we would have a Quran according to some of the arguments in this forum. They claim this as if Allah cannot preserve the Quran, though he claims he will in it. Just because someone is an orthodox Muslim, one should not make this kind of argument. But if there was no meat, that would mean there are no animals. So I dont how the world would sustain itself without animals. Please explain how it could. Interesting.
@@sultanalhammadi2910 No no lol, that’s not what I’m calling him. But, HE HIMSELF is the one who compared the term “Quranist” with the term “Ni**er”. Why would he do that?..Is that how sensitive he is? Is it not fair for us to distinguish between a NORMAL Muslim and a so called “Muslim” who REJECTS the words and actions of Rasulullah SAW??? Why do these people get so triggered when we call them what they really ARE?...(Quranists)..
@@raymaaf7516 my response wasn't directed to you. I understand where you are coming from. I was directing my response to Hom, but I deleted my comment to avoid creating further issues
@@raymaaf7516 Sunnists you Quran Rejectors reject both Quran and Hadith by your nonsense logic saying "Quran needs Hadith to explain it", and you wanna prove Hadith with Hadith, that's a circular argument fallacy, while who'll prove your people to be reliable, and you've no divine authority for that, so to prove Ahadith you need AlQuran, but you can't understand AlQuran cuz you first need to prove Ahadith, so you're on nothing, you can't follow Quran nor Hadith. (And AlQuran also has challenges to make a Hadith like it, if you're truthful/52:34, while your Hadith teaches that Prophet was given Quran and something "like" it, and that you call "sunnah" i.e. your Ahadith, i.e. you claim that there is a Hadith like Quran while Allah challenges so do you think that Prophet would give a Hadith like Quran? While it's also said "so in which Hadith besides Allah and His ayats will they believe"/45:6, will you say Bukhari and so on? There is also example of such like you in 10:15, when those asked for other Quran as you took your Ahadith as Quran (Reading) besides AlQuran)
Yep.. clearly a lonely loser with nothing better to do. He's claimed on previous channels/streams that he's not Muslim and now he's a Quranist for several years. I'm sure he also made up lies once about mathematics and someone later came on and rebuked his claims. Outright liar with nothing better to do.
I think the best thing to do from now on is to screen people from the backstage area and see their faces or at least find out what questions they have before they’re let on...
@@raymaaf7516 Yep.. then easier to remember faces of trolls who come on regularly but keep changing their names/accents. This "Adam" liar was on Hamza's Den again a couple of days after this stream with another different name and was claiming to be non Muslim again. He really needs to find some friends.
@@atraonlycowardsmuteme3285 …😂😂😂 Umar (RA) had the Prophet ﷺ before him and learned the Quran and its meaning and contexts first hand from him. Do you even hear yourself?? 😂🤦🏻♀️ Seriously the ego and audacity to compare any Muslim…let alone a non-Arabic reading/understanding Qurani…to the Sahabah (RA) is next level.
Fussilat 41:6 قُلْ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُوحَىٰٓ إِلَىَّ أَنَّمَآ إِلَٰهُكُمْ إِلَٰهٌ وَٰحِدٌ فَٱسْتَقِيمُوٓا۟ إِلَيْهِ وَٱسْتَغْفِرُوهُۗ وَوَيْلٌ لِّلْمُشْرِكِينَ Say, [O Muhammad], "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God; so take a straight course to Him and seek His forgiveness." And woe to those who associate others with Allah
Al-Munafiqun 63:1-3 إِذَا جَآءَكَ ٱلْمُنَٰفِقُونَ قَالُوا۟ نَشْهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ ٱللَّهِۗ وَٱللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُۥ وَٱللَّهُ يَشْهَدُ إِنَّ ٱلْمُنَٰفِقِينَ لَكَٰذِبُونَ ٱتَّخَذُوٓا۟ أَيْمَٰنَهُمْ جُنَّةً فَصَدُّوا۟ عَن سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِۚ إِنَّهُمْ سَآءَ مَا كَانُوا۟ يَعْمَلُونَ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ ءَامَنُوا۟ ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا۟ فَطُبِعَ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ فَهُمْ لَا يَفْقَهُونَ When the hypocrites come to you, [O Muhammad], they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of Allah." And Allah knows that you are His Messenger, and Allah testifies that the hypocrites are liars. They have taken their oaths as a cover, so they averted [people] from the way of Allah. Indeed, it was evil that they were doing. That is because they believed, and then they disbelieved; so their hearts were sealed over, and they do not understand.
Shaykh Uthman is building quite a following but seriously can he fix his mic... it literally does my head in... please Shaykh fix that mic as you putting the audience through torture
Ibn El Shem was definitely Adam the liar (from the efdawah streams). The one who said he performs istinja by prostrating. Who does he think he is fooling? Also, please stop allowing him on streams. He is purposefully trolling the guests and wasting their time.
He came on 2 times in this stream. He changed his voice as ibn shem once he was exposed first time he came on the strea. He is just a deluded individual. I have no idea what his issue is
Yup, he's claimed previously to be an Atheist, then a non Arab, then an Arab, then a mathematician, and today a Muslim who is. Quranist. He also said istinja is done in sujood. This guy is a very sad pathetic little troll who really needs to find a purpose in life other than coming into Muslims streams and lying.
Hadith Rejectors Under Scrutiny
1:52 Ustadh Mansur on why the topic is chosen
7:05 intro of guest Imam Karim and Muhammad Ali, Jake
9:07 Imam Karim self intro
10:53 Imam Karim's take on hadith rejectors
19:54 Imam Karim on the historicity of hadith rejectors
28:58 Muhammad Ali's- agenda of hadith rejectors, Intellect or submission
34:44 brother Jake's journey as a new muslim and hadith rejector in the beginning
38:49 Sam Dawah speaker's corner video
44:37 Shaykh Uthman Farooq comes as a panel member
47:55 Imam Karim's on hadith's place in islam and parting words
GUESTS
56:35 Ibn El Shem Yahudi (troll)
1:09:07 Quran First Muslim
1:18:28 Rational Faith
1:27:35 Karim Lewis
1:42:33 Quran Alone (habib)
2:06:44 muslim (pakistani)
2:15:50 Quran Alone (habib) again
2:30:09 Dzigg
2:37:03 QQ
2:48:17 nograD
2:50:06 Muhammad bin Muhammad Khalid
3:07:36 Skeptik Muslim
3:28:24 caleb.doge_thedemenzz89 (troll)
3:41:40 Suhayb almesmary
3:48:16 Salman Nausher
3:54:21 kevin
4:11:02 Quran Only
4:42:57 Abdallah
4:45:20 Muhammad Omar faruq
4:52:19 One Dawah
4:53:17 Ustadh mansur observations
5:04:05 Shaykh jake's take on the quranists
5:05:45 Muhammad ali's summary
5:07:05 Ustadh Hashim outtro
Just completed it. @dawahwise a lot to go through
@Abbas Abdullah barakallahufik
@@1407saint Really appreciate your assistance.
May Allāh ﷻ reward you abundantly for your time and effort, akhi.
ﺟﺰﺍﻙ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺧﻴﺮﺍ
@@DawahWise Barakallahufeekum brothers you guys are the real star here. May Allah increase you for the works you do
May Allah SWT reward you immensely for your hard work.
These legends just did a 5 hour stream with no breaks, stretching, restroom break. These are the gladiators Ma Sha Allah
Ye gladiators of sunnism and shiasm. They're certainly not Muslims
@@revelation333 Get yout head checked.
@@mazinxfs 🤣🤣
Very true.
Also, what they did is a simple thing,
I can debate whole days perhaps,
And alone, while they're 5 people,
And they've annoying sunni guests,
Which gives them rest, and they mute,
So what a "gladiator" is it? They're cowards.
Masha Allah, I am very very pleased to see brother Mohammed Ali. This brother masha Allah never stops surprising me of his knowledge, may Allah preserve him
So good to see Mohammed Ali finally on a live stream. May Allah bless him. Super clear and rational brother.
Muhammed Ali brother is so young yet so full of Knowledge❤
th-cam.com/channels/eCAQhKbU2ETNWxWxB94HgA.html
That's his TH-cam channel
Hafeez
Jahil
3:58:57 common claim is that “hikma” refers to “hadith” of the prophet. Same argument made by Shafi long ago.
As an example of a modern day rebuttal see chapter 7 of brother Naveed’s work:
Chapter 07
Al-Hikma (A Separate Revelation from the Qur'an?)
The previous chapters present much evidence to conclude that the true Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah was to live by the Qur’an, preach by the Qur’an, judge by the Qur’an, and give explanations by the Qur’an. However, sometimes human beings get stuck on an idea that they have been programmed with and they would look for any and every excuse to somehow validate that idea.
The proponents of Hadith are no different. They now come back and site the following Ayah to suggest that Allah revealed at least two different revelations to the Prophet Muhammad, one being the Book , and the other being the Wisdom :
“…For Allah has sent down to you the Book and the Wisdom and taught you what you knew not…” (4:113)
We will see that just like al-Dhikr (The Reminder), al-Hikma (The Wisdom) is also an attribute of the Qur’an. The Qur’an is not just a Book of laws and regulations. It also contains the Wisdom behind those laws and regulations. Thus when Allah says “Book and Wisdom”, He is emphasizing that it is a “written record” that contains “the wisdom” behind the written statements.
We will now look at the Qur’an to establish the meaning of “Al-Hikma”. As we have established before that the delivery or “Balagha” of the Messenger is the Qur’an, we start with the Ayah that relates the Balagha to the Hikma:
“There has already come to them recitals wherein there is (enough) to check; delivery of Wisdom - but the preaching of warners profits them not.” (54:4-5)
Here the delivery is that of Hikma. As we have seen above that the delivery is from the Book of Allah. Therefore, this Ayah establishes that Hikma is from the Book and not outside.
Then in the following Ayah, Allah establishes that The Qur’an is the Hikma:
“These are of the Wisdom , which your Lord has revealed to you. Take not, with Allah, another object of Worship, lest you should be thrown into hell, blameworthy and rejected” (17:39).
This Ayah clearly establishes that part of the Hikma revealed to the Messenger is that he “Take not, with Allah, another object of Worship, lest you should be thrown into hell, blameworthy and rejected”, which is part of the Qur’an.
Then,
“This is what We rehearse to you of the Ayaat and the Reminder of Wisdom ” (3:58)
Note here that Allah ties Wisdom to the Dhikr, which we have already established to be the Qur’an. It is also important to note that the “Reminder of Wisdom” is to be recited . The only thing that the Muslims recite is the Qur’an. No one ever recites Hadith. Thus the Hikma is just another attribute of the Qur’an.
Also interesting to note is that the teaching of the Messenger of the Book and the Wisdom is always tied to him reciting the Ayaat of the Qur’an; see for example:
“Allah did confer a great favor on the believers when He sent among them a Messenger from among themselves, reciting to them the Ayaat of Allah, purifying them, and teaching them the Book and the Wisdom, while before that they were in manifest error” (3:164)
Allah further says that He ONLY instructs us to RECITE His Book and NOTHINGH ELSE:
“And is it NOT ENOUGH for them that We have sent down to you the Book, which is Recited to them? Verily, in it is Mercy and Reminder to those who believe” (29:51)
Allah leaves no doubt that it is the Book that He wants us to Recite. Again notice that everything outside of the Book is excluded by this Ayah. Thus if Hikma, or Dhikr were “other revelations” outside of the Book then this Ayah excludes them.
Note here again in 29:51 that what is sent down is of the Book only (and that is enough), which further confirms that Hikma is included in the Book.
We now look at another evidence that al-Hikma is something that is to be recited. We see that Allah commanded the wives of the Messenger to recite al-Hikmah:
Wazakurna ma_ yutla_ fi buyu_tikun na min a_ya_til la_hi wal hikmah inal la_ha ka_na latifan khabira
"And bear in mind that which is recited in your houses of the revelations of Allah and wisdom . Lo! Allah is Subtile, Aware." (33:34)
This verse, along with the above evidence leaves no doubt that Hikmah was to be recited, and that it is just another attribute of the Qur’an. However, some people say that “Yutla” does not necessarily mean “to recite” but could also mean “to read from memory”. They insist that in this Ayah, the Hadith of the Prophet are included and his wives are instructed to read the verses of the Qur’an as well as the Hadith of the Prophet. This claim is not only baseless but quite funny. First of all, the Qur’an uses the words “Tilawa”, “yatlu”, “Tatlu” , etc. explicitly for RECITATION of the VERSES of the QUR’AN. In addition, the reading of the Hadith for the wives would create a very comical situation. It would be interesting for the wives of the Prophet to be reciting that “The Messenger stood up by a wall and urinated”, and that “The Messenger had sex with 9 women in one night”, and that “Messenger poked out the eyes of some people and cut their hands and feet and put them up on the wall to die”, and that “Messenger told us not to write the Hadith but we are writing it anyway” (please see these Hadith in the Appendix). I hope the proponents of Hadith see the ridiculousness of their concocted “explanation”.
Allah clearly explains to us that Wisdom is an attribute of the Qur’an:
“Alif Laam Ra. These are the Verses of the Book of Wisdom ” (10:1)
“Alif Lam Mim. These are the Verses of the Book of Wisdom” (31:1-2)
How old is he?
Sheikh karim abuzaid is my teacher wallahi I benefited from him all of his lectures online may Allah grant him and us al jannatul fardus amen Sheikh mansur and Sheikh hashim you guys are the best masha Allah good job
May Allah guide you and him, he is a sell out taghut worshipper. I'm not Hadith rejector by the way they're kuffar so just you don't think I hate him for this I only hate him for the sake of Allah because Allah says to reject taghut while he cement their thrones.
You are all powerhouses of Islam. I have learned so much about the religion of Allah through each one of these 5 brothers.
May Allah SWT reward, bless, have mercy on, and preserve you all. AMEEN.
I could listen to the Imam all day, he emanates sincerity and knowledge. Masha'Allah.
I really appreciate these streams. This group of speakers makes for a good dynamic. Thanks so much!
Masya Allah, brother Jake and Mohammad Ali, may Allah SWT bless all of you and your parent. We have hope for the future because of young man like you willing to study and share your knowledge with other to please Allah SWT and the love of the Umah. May Allah SWT bless Br Mansur and Br Hashim for the sacrifice of your time and effort and give these platform for the Umah. Aamiin ya rabbalalamin. Thank's to all of you.
Wow how did I missed this my episode my Favourite sheikh Karim Abuzaid is in the house. Listen to his tawheed and Aqeeda episodes 👌🏾
masha Allah.. so many great brothers in one stream. worth watching 10 times. Muhammad Ali. love you for the sake of Allah. may Allah bless you all. watching it again and again
What a beautiful discussion for 5 hours❤ May Allah bless you brothers and all muslims who are lived, living, and will leave
I am so glad to see Mohammed Ali after a long time. MashaAllah very intelligent , gentle but knowledgeable. Does Mohammed Ali have a youtube channel ? Please publish it. Br. Jake MashaAllah too is excellent in his approach and delivery. May Allah SWT give these brothers hidaya and strength to reach great heights in Dawah.
th-cam.com/channels/eCAQhKbU2ETNWxWxB94HgA.html
@@mohammeddmalik jazakallah subscribed
The muslim lantern is his yt channel
Great work mashallah as always.. jazakmallah khair’n ..May allah subhanahu wa ta'ala grant brother Ijaz shifa Inshallah.. Allaahumma Rabban-naas, adhhibil-ba's, washfi antash- Shaafi laa shifaa'a illaa shifaa'uka shifaa'an laa yughaadiru saqaman..
please invite brother Mohammed Ali more often he have such a special way of speaking mashallah that makes you want to listen from him more.
Almost every Hadeeth Rejector who came on this stream was insincere, rude, ignorant or an outright liar. Subhan'Allah I had no ideas how misguided and deviant they are.
This sect is a danger to Islam. May Allah SWT guide them to the truth. Ameen.
May Allah SWT protect our children from this deviation! Ameen!!
Whenever im talking to this type of guy(quranist), its the same like talking with christian.
@GuruTruthSpeak shut up takfiri
One thing I realised that these quranist stream does is it brings out all the crazies. 99% are clueless and haven't got a clue what Allah says in the Quran even though they claim they follow it.
Half of them were trolls
Can't wait for the next episode. Keep up the work brother mansur and hashim
I see most of you for the first and I was really happy to know you all, so much love and brotherhood of true faith.
اللهم بارك فيهم
Why don't you call Baba Shuabe or Hamza Malik on?😂😂😂
Please brothers,bring imam Abuzaid back as often as you can. A benefit for all of us.
Brother Jake is full of wisdom and knowledge MashaAllah. May Allah make all young Muslims wise and knowledgeable
SubhanAllah it has been and continues to be an honour to be alongside Mansur & Hashim on this journey of Dawah. I even saw myself on this stream 😂Just 3 years and we've changed a lot.
I thank God for the blessings of Islam 🤍
Alhamdulillah Br. Jake is someone who do his own research and ponder, even with his tough experienced with different *type of quranist.
Bring brother Muhammad Ali back on DawahWise :D
I hope and pray my son becomes like our precious gem 💎💯✌️ Young brother Ali Aameen thumma Aameen with his love for Deen his blessed knowledge and amazing character and Awesome manners Allah humma baarik habibi 🤲😭🤲💝💎💯✌️🤝👍🌹
Great work muhammad ali brother may allah give u more hikma and knowledge
My life would be empty without the guidance of that Amazing Man - the Saviour of Mankind SAW.
His example is the standard for humanity on all aspects of life. 💯
Allah humma baarik dearest respected brother's may Allah subhaanahu ta aala bless you all in abundance with all forms of goodness and protect you all from all forms of harm may Allah subhaanahu ta aala accept all your hard work efforts sacrifices patience good deeds and increase you in abundance with all goodness Aameen thumma Aameen love our young brother Ali such a gem 💎💯✌️🤝👍🤲💝 Alhamdulillah so proud of him 🤲👍🤝✌️💯💎
Doesn't the first guy sound like Adam who said initially he was non-muslim, then he is a muslim (Arab), then he is non-Arab??
Why can't people be sincere with themselves these days instead of trying really hard to win an argument?
Adam thinks istinja is prostration in other stream, lol
@@itisyouthatiadore HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I could see him trying to do Istinja and Sujood at the same time! LMAO!!!!!
@GuruTruthSpeak Mashallah, how true!
Yep, I'm pretty sure he also claimed to be a mathematician talking about 1/-infinity only for an actual mathematician to come on later and rebuke him.
He's an outright liar, clearly a deviant little loser with nothing better to do in his life. Needs to be banned and told to look at himself on the mirror until he accepts how pathetic he is.
@@raymaaf7516 No, no, no, you do not want to see that. No one wants to see that.
Subhan Allah what a State of Mind to call the adhan "yelling" may Allah guide us all
Where did you hear them describe Athan as "Yelling"?
@@sz7595 my post is over 1 Year ago you have plenty of time to watch the video to find it for yourself
@@homtanks7259 that’s rude bro😂😂😂
I think sheikh uthman really needs to get a proper mic , too much crackling in his connection. 😳
Yes, truly it’s very very annoying!!!
@@mzmi1422 I seriously might. Do you have his address?
that's because he is using wireless headphones.
@@emkfenboi then we need to tell him so he can use wired headphones next time.
@@raymaaf7516 yes please tell Shiekh usman, brother jake also had this problem & i msgd the brother on twitter got it changed.
Salamoualikom my brothers. What a panel Masa Allah. Was watching Hamza and forgot this one. Nice to see Mohammed Ali again and Jake. Brother Uthman ibn Farooq is always great to see him again. Mansur and Hakim my Allah give you paradise with what you are doing. It benefit us.
I swear what mansur said is 100 %true at least to me.The heart of a real honest muslim will incline to the truth.
I had time to watch more of this live stream discussion, and it's very helpful as highlights the way the "Quran only" approach, hadith rejection is very misguided. Jazak'Allah Khair.
When he said he got his Quran from Amazon, I laughed so hard I almost died.😂😂😂😂
I thought I would be angry but I felt nothing but pity in my heart for these Quranists .. may Allah guide them
May Allah guide you and show you the true way.
Al-Jasiyah 45:6
تِلْكَ ءَايَٰتُ ٱللَّهِ نَتْلُوهَا عَلَيْكَ بِٱلْحَقِّۖ فَبِأَىِّ حَدِيثٍۭ بَعْدَ ٱللَّهِ وَءَايَٰتِهِۦ يُؤْمِنُونَ
These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His verses will they believe?
@@revelation333 keep your fake advice to yourself ya jaahil .. copy pasting Quran doesn’t help your case 🤣
@@taimur74
You're disbelieving in the verse of Allah. You can't edit the word of Allah Rather copy and paste is the only option.
@@revelation333 keep talking ya himaar 🤣
I love to see you ppl expose more and more of your stupidity in trying to fight the Sunnah
@@revelation333 do you believe you know Qur'an better then Muhammad pbuh.
Allah is the one with best knowledge of quran and Allah taught Muhammad pbuh.
So we want Muhammad pbuh sunnah explanation of the Qur'an not yours as you do not get revelation from Allah.
Alhamdulilah for Islam
Wow SubhanAllah how arrogant are some of these guests. Sheikh said it right it's sad. They don't have patience and have the arrogance to think they know it all. Their hearts and intellect appear to be closed. May Allah guide them.
MashaAllah Muhammad Ali so clear and respectful 😊
Waalaikumsalam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh thank you very much for all that you guys do may Allah bless every single one of you and keep you in the straight path thank you Brothers for all that you do
Pardon me. I'll stop after this one. The first two speakers immediately mentioned 59-7 "What the MESSENGER has given you take it." This verse is concerning the spoils of war NOT hadith. Strange how you constantly catch Christians using verse out of context in hundreds of videos YET forget to apply the same intelligence to your own belief system. Im a huge fan of the 3 Brothers I recognize and think you do excellent jobs debating the concept of oneness and the self sufficient nature of God. Again, i can't understand why you would imagine the Faith was not "Completed" as the book says and that Allah needed others to add a bit extra. It's like an instruction manual for an instruction manual. Its man worship. Simple and plain. Allah alone guides. Alone.
The second part of that verse applies to obedience of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ in all matters of deen and not just in spoils of war.
From various Quranic verses we can confirm that we are obliged to obey the Messenger of Alläh in all matters, this is the Command from Allah! The Lord of the worlds.
For one to reject a verified and an authentic Hadith, is to reject the words of the Messenger of Alläh. To reject the words of the Messenger, is to reject the Command of Allah. To reject the Command of Alläh is disobedience of Alläh.
As for those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and overstep His limits, We will admit them into a Fire, remaining in it timelessly, forever. They will have a humiliating punishment. (Surat an-Nisa` 4: 14)
As it is already answered to you, this part of an ayat refers to any command of a Prophet Muhammad, Salallahu Alayhi was-Salam, and not just about spoils of war.
@@eldagon9306 - EVERY Command from the Prophet is preserved in the Quran and has the term QUL before it. Big difference between a Command and an observation. Even if that observation is considered sahih.
@@restlessnative3818 I'm not interested in your interpretation of Quran.
Read Tafsir ibn Kathir, he gives quotes from the Sahaba and their disciples, and this part of an ayat refers to every command of the prophet Muhammad, Salallahu Alayhi was-Salam.
@@eldagon9306 - Because you're an idol worshipper. Im QUOTING the Quran not interpreting it but you don't care what it says only what your idols say about it. Typical.
Guys may allah give you patients in dealing with really tough,blind,stubborn people oh boy.
1st guy sounds like Adam
don't follow his game... banned!
DawahWise alongside brother Jake and Muhammad Ali (The Muslim lantern) and the Shelkh how can you not learn something when these brothers are together teaching their brothers and sisters for the sake of Allah swt. May Allah swt bless each one of you and shower you all with his mercy May your hard work and efforts be rewarded on that day when only your actions will benefit you
May Allah bless and reward you all
Some muslim brothers they have to know, the reason behind for keeping the Dhaif hadith. To be aware why they don't throw them out of the books.
There are to show you the science of hadith how it's done to those who seeking the knowledge to learn about it.
Without Dhaif hadith being kept. The scholars they can use for study reasons.
Salam. Hashim and Mansur if I have to give my life to save yours I wont heaitate and regret for a second. May Allah protect and keep you save and give you swab for all you do. Loooooooove you both. Afghani Brother feom Cali.
Also I wonder if they have the same scepticism for other things in their life.
Yes they have. My mom is Hadith rejecter. I was too because we were taught so. But i am since 1 Year not a hadith rejecter any more. It was very difficult for me, because my mom was noch just like its easier that why she doesnt believe in hadiths. She is very sternly with her ideology. She doesnt know that i am not hadith rejecter anymore….
sorry for my bad English
I can't believe they did so big live stream...
I have literally done 0 infront of them for the ummah...
Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَى bless u my brother, we lobe you.
There is only ONE GOD ! And Muhanmed or Jesus are not Lords !
@@adrianabonitaaziz You are absolutely right sister. There is only 1 God.
Jesus عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ & Muhammad ﷺ are 2 mighty messengers of Allah (God in Arabic).
You can find more on "Many Prophet's One Message" TH-cam channel. May Allah bless & guide u.
Marsha Allah mohammed Ali stole the show! He was amazing. Brothers let Jake take on more questions his very eloquent and has excellent questioning skills
Sheikh Uthman, PLEASE do something about your headphones.
We need to gift him good head phones
@@smr_0172 well so is brother Jake and his connection is fine.
@@wackypeace1135 perhaps Jake has a better connection speed? Maybe the sheikh is on wifi and Jake on ethernet. i just highly doubt its the headset/mic, but ofcourse i could be wrong.
@@smr_0172 i dont think its about connection since you can hear the echo and stuttered from the audio. If the connection problem it gonna affect the lag between audio and video.
peace/salaam,
Thank you for this discussion.
Firstly there is a difference between “sunna” (precedent/practice) and “hadith” (narration). These days “sunna” is tied to (alleged) authentic “hadith”, so they are often used interchangeably but this was not really the case in early Islam. Rejecting one does not necessarily mean rejecting the other (see Fazlur Rahman’s works as an example). A famous much older example may be Imam Malik when he sometimes favoured the sunnah of Madinah over an (alleged) authentic hadith.
I will address most of the issues raised in this video (the ones that can be answered concisely, some issues require lengthier explanation) however it will be done in parts (and if they do not appear here once posted I will have them posted elsewhere), this is to avoid potential censorship.
Time in video 11:58 Quotes from Musnan Ahmad claiming there will come a time when some people hold the (alleged) prophetic sunnah of no account. Let’s answer this with Quran Ch25 verse 30:
And the Messengers will say, "O My Lord, my people had abandoned this Quran."
Which has more weight: Musnan Ahmad or Al Quran?
If you prefer hadith, sahih Muslim, book 7 Hajj, 2803:
“...I have left among you the Book of Allah, and if you hold fast to it, you would never go astray....”
The above is from the (alleged) prophet’s last sermon and has many variations. Interestingly in the variations some add on “sunnah” some add on “ahl-ul-bayt”. Which version is correct? Ask yourself: What source of guidance do all the variations have in common?
Time in video 14:46 he references wrong verse, I assume he means Ch9 verse 5. Claims we need “sunna” to explain this verse. We do not. As many Traditional scholars have said, the best explanation of Quran is Quran. Firstly, the context is specific and it is talking about those polytheists who violated the treaty. Ironically Islamaphobes ignore context to make their point also. Secondly, we simply look at all other verses discussing warfare and we will see such as wars of aggression are not allowed, if the other party inclines to peace one must also incline to peace, freedom of belief e.g. Ch2 verse 256, so fighting/killing another only based on a differing belief is unacceptable. There are many verses on these points.
Side note: most Traditionalists claim this verse abrogates many verses of Quran, they do not know how many verses are abrogated. Ironic considering this is exactly the method one would use if one wanted to have their way with Quran interpretation, exactly what he accuses “Quranists” of.
Time in video 15:14 a popup appears claiming Quran tells us to “obey the prophet” in various verses. False. The Quran NEVER says “obey the prophet” rather it says “obey the messenger”. These are not equivalent terms, “messenger” is a role, not the person, and is specifically tied to a message. Unfortunately some think author of Quran uses words haphazardly, no, words are specific and chosen for a reason.
to be continued...
Time in video 1:20:41 see Mufti Abu Layth’s videos on the (alleged) return of Jesus.
1:27:38 see Muhammad Asad’s translation of Ch4 v159. I do not see how that proves Jesus will return to earth.
Time in video 1:34:16 scholars disagree with how many hadith are classed as “mutawattir”, ranging from one to a few hundred. Each scholar has their own subjective criteria. Why not go with Quran’s criteria, e.g. 4 witnesses/statements is enough to convict an adulterer, so if we apply the same to hadith, i.e. each link in the chain must have 4 witnesses - how many would pass? Very few, perhaps none. Perhaps this the point Karim was going to make. Interestingly all scholars accept Quran verses pass mutawattir criteria - there is no science of Quran sifting weak strong verses - reflect on that. Why would God preserve one source so differently to the other if they were both a necessity?
1:36:01 almost all hadith were not transmitted with exact same wording (verbatim). As mentioned above perhaps only one is agreed upon unanimously AFAIK - “Whoever tells a lie against me intentionally, then surely let him occupy his seat in Hellfire.”. Almost all hadith are transmitted in meaning only (riwayah bi'l-maʿnā) - all hadith scholars know this.
Time in video 1:50:21 Uthman claims “wa” must refer to something different. No, sometimes that it the case in Quran, sometimes not. A well known example being Ch55 v68 or Ch2 v238 or Ch21 v48 or Ch16 v89. See Ch6 for detailed study of this issue “Quran - The True Sunnah of the Messenger” by Naveed. In any case “messenger” is tied to a role, to a message. The verse does not say obey the prophet. At best this argument is indirect, and an extrapolation to apply it to words of men who came later.
2:05:49 it is often implied Quran was passed down same way as hadith/sunnah etc. A commonly stated argument by those who wish to raise traditional hearsay/ahadith to divine-status level is that its compilation was the same as The Quran.
Is that really true? Lets look at the simple and obvious facts...
The Quran = God's Word
Ahadith = man's word
The Quran = 100% fact/truth/perfect
Ahadith = mix of truth and falsehood (hence weak and strong hadith)
The Quran = recorded under the DIRECT supervision of prophet Muhammad
Ahadith = not recorded under the DIRECT supervision of prophet Muhammad
The Quran = written AND memorised word for word as soon as it was transmitted
Ahadith = no-one ever claimed to record and memorise ahadith word for word as soon as it was transmitted
The Quran = protected explicitly by God Himself as stated in The Quran
Ahadith = no such explicit protection stated
The Quran = no Muslim doubts its credibility
Ahadith = each sect has its own versions, weak & strong ones etc
The Quran = in-built verification mechanism, e.g. challenges others to find inconsistancy, bring a chapter like it etc.
Ahadith = no such in-built mechanism, full of inconsistancies, unscientific info etc.
Mohammad Ali just awesome
Brings him again
Other stream 🤗
th-cam.com/channels/eCAQhKbU2ETNWxWxB94HgA.html that's his TH-cam channel akhi
@@mohammeddmalik thank you
Brothers did a 5 hour stream! Wow! May Allah reward you.
[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.
[6:115] The word of your Lord is complete,* in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
[6:116] If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.
Bayyinah, Amr, Hukm, Balaagh.
24:1 سُورَةٌ أَنزَلْنَٰهَا وَفَرَضْنَٰهَا وَأَنزَلْنَا فِيهَآ ءَايَٰتٍۭ بَيِّنَٰتٍ لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَذَكَّرُونَ
24:18 وَيُبَيِّنُ ٱللَّهُ لَكُمُ ٱلْءَايَٰتِۚ وَٱللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
24:58 ... كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ ٱللَّهُ لَكُمُ ٱلْءَايَٰتِۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
24:59 ... كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ ٱللَّهُ لَكُمْ ءَايَٰتِهِۦۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
24:61 ... كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ ٱللَّهُ لَكُمُ ٱلْءَايَٰتِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ
3:128 لَيْسَ لَكَ مِنَ ٱلْأَمْرِ شَىْءٌ ...
3:154... قُلْ إِنَّ ٱلْأَمْرَ كُلَّهُۥ لِلَّهِ ...
12:40 ... إِنِ ٱلْحُكْمُ إِلَّا لِلَّهِۚ ...
5:44 ... وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ فَأُو۟لَٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلْكَٰفِرُونَ
5:45 ... وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ فَأُو۟لَٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلظَّٰلِمُونَ
5:47 ... وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ فَأُو۟لَٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلْفَٰسِقُونَ
18:26 ... وَلَا يُشْرِكُ فِى حُكْمِهِۦٓ أَحَدًا
(+ 4:60, 5:50, 42:21)
(+ 4:105, 5:43-49)
3:20 ... وَّإِن تَوَلَّوْا۟ فَإِنَّمَا عَلَيْكَ ٱلْبَلَٰغُۗ ...
5:92 ... فَإِن تَوَلَّيْتُمْ فَٱعْلَمُوٓا۟ أَنَّمَا عَلَىٰ رَسُولِنَا ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
5:99 مَّا عَلَى ٱلرَّسُولِ إِلَّا ٱلْبَلَٰغُۗ ...
13:40 ... فَإِنَّمَا عَلَيْكَ ٱلْبَلَٰغُ وَعَلَيْنَا ٱلْحِسَابُ
14:52 هَٰذَا بَلَٰغٌ لِّلنَّاسِ ...
16:35 ... فَهَلْ عَلَى ٱلرُّسُلِ إِلَّا ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
16:82 فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا۟ فَإِنَّمَا عَلَيْكَ ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
21:106 إِنَّ فِى هَٰذَا لَبَلَٰغًا لِّقَوْمٍ عَٰبِدِينَ
21:107 وَمَآ أَرْسَلْنَٰكَ إِلَّا رَحْمَةً لِّلْعَٰلَمِينَ
21:108 قُلْ إِنَّمَا يُوحَىٰٓ إِلَىَّ أَنَّمَآ إِلَٰهُكُمْ إِلَٰهٌ وَٰحِدٌۖ فَهَلْ أَنتُم مُّسْلِمُونَ
21:109 فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا۟ فَقُلْ ءَاذَنتُكُمْ عَلَىٰ سَوَآءٍۖ
وَإِنْ أَدْرِىٓ أَقَرِيبٌ أَم بَعِيدٌ مَّا تُوعَدُونَ
21:110 إِنَّهُۥ يَعْلَمُ ٱلْجَهْرَ مِنَ ٱلْقَوْلِ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا تَكْتُمُونَ
21:111 وَإِنْ أَدْرِى لَعَلَّهُۥ فِتْنَةٌ لَّكُمْ وَمَتَٰعٌ إِلَىٰ حِينٍ
21:112 قَٰلَ رَبِّ ٱحْكُم بِٱلْحَقِّۗ
وَرَبُّنَا ٱلرَّحْمَٰنُ ٱلْمُسْتَعَانُ عَلَىٰ مَا تَصِفُونَ
24:54 ... وَمَا عَلَى ٱلرَّسُولِ إِلَّا ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
29:18 ... وَمَا عَلَى ٱلرَّسُولِ إِلَّا ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
36:17 وَمَا عَلَيْنَآ إِلَّا ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
42:48 ... إِنْ عَلَيْكَ إِلَّا ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ...
46:35 ... بَلَٰغٌۚ ...
64:12 ... فَإِن تَوَلَّيْتُمْ فَإِنَّمَا عَلَىٰ رَسُولِنَا ٱلْبَلَٰغُ ٱلْمُبِينُ
72:23 إِلَّا بَلَٰغًا مِّنَ ٱللَّهِ وَرِسَٰلَٰتِهِۦۚ
وَمَن يَعْصِ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ فَإِنَّ لَهُۥ نَارَ جَهَنَّمَ خَٰلِدِينَ فِيهَآ أَبَدًا
Al-Ma'idah 5:67
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلرَّسُولُ بَلِّغْ مَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَۖ وَإِن لَّمْ تَفْعَلْ فَمَا بَلَّغْتَ رِسَالَتَهُۥۚ وَٱللَّهُ يَعْصِمُكَ مِنَ ٱلنَّاسِۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِى ٱلْقَوْمَ ٱلْكَٰفِرِينَ
O Messenger, announce that which has been revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do not, then you have not conveyed His message. And Allah will protect you from the people. Indeed, Allah does not guide the disbelieving people.
Al-Ahzab 33:39
ٱلَّذِينَ يُبَلِّغُونَ رِسَٰلَٰتِ ٱللَّهِ وَيَخْشَوْنَهُۥ وَلَا يَخْشَوْنَ أَحَدًا إِلَّا ٱللَّهَۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِٱللَّهِ حَسِيبًا
[Allah praises] those who convey the messages of Allah and fear Him and do not fear anyone but Allah. And sufficient is Allah as Accountant.
Al-Ahqaf 46:23
قَالَ إِنَّمَا ٱلْعِلْمُ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ وَأُبَلِّغُكُم مَّآ أُرْسِلْتُ بِهِۦ وَلَٰكِنِّىٓ أَرَىٰكُمْ قَوْمًا تَجْهَلُونَ
He said, "Knowledge [of its time] is only with Allah, and I convey to you that with which I was sent; but I see you [to be] a people behaving ignorantly."
I am not sure why these Hadeeths rejecters themselves cant come up with one understanding of the Quran, ask them about all the issues and they will all differ on every issue.
❤. MAY ALLAH ACCEPT YOUR INTENTION AND WORK ❤
May Allah Accept your works, and make it a means of acceptance and Guidance for the Ummah!
MashAllah another fantastic stream. May Allah reward all the Panelist for their work. As for our Hadith rejectors, if you are truly muslim, learn about ur deen and don't follow ur desires, may Allah guide you all. The Dawahwise team, for a topic you could cover next if you not already thinking of it. Ahmedis, they are very secretive and alot of the muslim ummah don't know much about them. I think a stream on them will be perfect to show how false they are. Maybe hopefully an expert in them for the panel. It's good we show those sects that clearly not follow Quran and sunnah.
Why are all these hadith rejectors are laymen and most dont even know arabic? is there any real scholars who rejected hadith in entirety?
600 years seperates christians from submitters (muslims), Christians started off as Unitarians (regects trinity), until fallible humans started to Idolize the messenger thus becoming Christ-ions, you all are doing the same with the last messenger( the messengers only duty is to deliver a message[Quran], notice its messenger and not any prophets name.why didnt the prophets make an autobiography? Chapter 69:44, that will answer your question, please pay attention to my comment, InshAllah you all will be guided.
@@Neddy540 exactly, who gave the people after the prophet authority to scribe a whole book that apparently forms the foundations of being a muslim? How do we know they weren't misled by Shaytan, the Quran is preserved by Allah whereas "ahadith" are not, they are sayings of people.
@@blumachinethat’s why we have strong and weak Hadith’s (to filter the correct Hadith’s ) and nothing like strong or weak verse in quran…..the oral tradition of quran is similar to the tradition of Sahih hadiths ……if one rejects Hadith’s he will actually face many problems for ex he doesn’t know the proper way to pray,he won’t be able to explain different qiraat or ahruf of quran and thus cannot claim that quran is preserved
@@Neddy540 ya'll are hoax
Calling these people "Quran only" or "Followers of Quran" is absolutely WRONG. They are not even realizing that they clearly rejecting Quran by rejecting the sunnah of our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.
@Nas - perhaps you can answer me. I want to know if quranist accept the different qiraat?
@@aalimah16 that will be too above their brain argument
You knwo who else rejected any hadith but Allah's? Umar.
Young brother is in the house. Coming up. 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻👳🏻♂️👳🏻♂️
To all those who think they know better then thousands of imam's and sheikhs please think about it..
Alhamdulillah watching after 3 years ❤
Keep the good work, you are doing wonderful job promoting the true faith
Muhammad Ali Masha'allah brother , you don't want him in the opposite direction of the table
The Quran says that Allah guides your heart. When Allah guides your heart, you can't be wrong or go astray. Allah wanted to preserve the Quran only, so HE did guide the hearts of those who wrote the Quran. Allah did not guide the hearts of the same people who wrote the Hadith. Allah did not specify that HE will preserve the Hadith too. Therefore, if they are not guided in writing the Hadith, then they could go wrong and astray. Therefore, the arguments that we should believe in the Hadith because it was written by the same person who wrote the quran does not hold true. The Quran is preserved, but the Hadith is not.
When we reached Jerry Moha, that was it for me, for God's sake, the audacity of these people is MIND BOGGLING!!!
The more I listen to the Quranists the more I am convinced of the science of hadith.
The more I listen to hadicists the more i am convinced the true islam is only in the Quran
@@KORAN-ALONE bro where do people like you breed? I mean seriously ya'll are creating sects within Islam like a plague but than you won't believe that right? Cause ya'll reject hadiths omg 🤦♀️😵
@@KORAN-ALONE but how so? you just saw that you guys clearly reject the Qur'an as well when you reject the sunnah and still you have enough guts to say that you are on the right path?
@@abdulmajid2728 only one question. Do you believe that Muhammad will be a intercessor in the Day of Judgment of his people/believers?
@@abdulmajid2728Everyone rejects hadith even bulhari rejected 98% hadith and kept the 2 %
Unfortunately even the 2% is so faulty and corrupt that some Muslims had to reject that too.
So quranists are actullay returning to original message of islam.
Mashallah Barakallah 🤲 keep up with this good work 💟🛐🛐
May Allah SWT grant Br Ijaz shifa and a beautiful Sabr to endure. Ameen.
Ameen sumah Ameen
Allahuma Ameen
Ameen! May Allah SWT grant him immediate shifa.
What's wrong with Ijaz?
Amazing stream. I think there are a lot of ignorant people who think they know Hadith! reading 2 pages doesn't make you a scholar!
Amazing session of brilliant highly intelligent well educated muslims giving huge amounts of knowledge for all to learn from... May ALLAH bless and reward u wonderful people may ALLAH bless and reward u and shower u with his endless blessings
Sheik uthman should get a good mic as the sound is not clear
Dear brothers Allah bless you you are doing great work on this planet and we love you great journalism
@2.49 - Mansur said we will end the stream very soon and then I see the video is 5 hours long lol
As a guy who love history by reading and understanding History books from throughout the years with all the names of the kings battles what policy they did...etc these Hadith rejectors would reject all of that history, just because they can't trust who wrote them because they didn't live at that time.
There is a difference between taking information from history books and using history books as a source of law and religious jurisprudence.
There is a difference
Cognitive dissonance of being unable to contemplate information that goes against their limited beliefs of understanding.
They have made their beliefs about their individual emotions and present day mindset of the self, convenience just like many Christians.
It is following their desires as well as being guided by their ignorance, maybe fear to.
May Allah keep us guided and upon the truth, ameen
Well my dear brother, what does Allah SWT say in the Quran about people who take their own desires as their god?... I’m sure most of us know the answer... And..IF they TRULY are “Quran-only” people, then THEY should know about this verse more than anyone else!!... Subhanallah, what juhaal most of these people are!
May Allah SWT protect us and our families and progeny. Ameen.
@@raymaaf7516 Brother Ray, what is my position from what you have assumed from my original comment?
From what I read he agreed with your post.
2:20:35 How did book of ٱللَّٰه get to you?
2:21:00 Blind faith
Jazakallahu Khayran Ahsanul Jaza
Alhamdulillah I want to give thank you to Allah swt for bringing you Brothers together assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh and I want to thank all of you for all the good that you do male everywhere every single one of you and collect all every single one of you together with all the beautiful profits of Allah swt and thank you for all you have taught me and also the only when we watch you on Facebook that's all I watch everyday Alhambra dealer I love you all for the sake of Allah swt
Please brother post the link to brother Muhammad Ali TH-cam channel.
The link is in the video description
th-cam.com/channels/eCAQhKbU2ETNWxWxB94HgA.html
@@mohammeddmalik JazakAllah brother
I’m glad were getting recognized as Hadith rejectors Alhamdulillah
This stream was so good. I hope brother Hashim and brother Mansur will arrange another stream on the same topic soon
May God bless you all and reward you with the best reward and bring us together with you and our parents in the supreme paradise
جازاكم الله خيرا و جعلها في ميزان حسناتكم إن شاء الله رب العالمين.
الله: انك لا تسمع الموتى
السنة: ما انتم بأسمع من الأموات ولكن لا يجيبون
الله: يوم يكشف عن ساق ويدعون الى السجود فلا يستطيعون
السنة: الرسول يقول: 'أنا الحاشر الذي يحشر الناس على قدمي'
الله: فأخذهم الله بذنوبهم
السنة: لو لم تذنبوا لذهب الله بكم
الله: ان تبدوا ما في انفسكم او تخفوه يحاسبكم به الله.
السنة: إن الله تجاوز عن أمتي ما حدثت به أنفسها ما لم تعمل، أو تكلم.
الله: قل من حرم زينة الله التي اخرج لعباده؟
السنة: لبس الرجل للحرير والذهب حرام
الله: اتموا الصيام الى الليل.
السنة: اتموا الصيام الى الغروب
الله: فبأي حديث بعده يؤمنون؟
السنة: حديث الرسول والصحابة.
الله: فليأتوا بحديث مثله ان كانوا صادقين.
السنة: اوتيت القرآن ومثله معه.
الله: هل ينظرون الا ان يأتيهم الله
السنة: هل ينظرون الا ان يأتيهم عيسى
الله: إذا جاء أحدكم الموت توفته رسلنا وهم لا يفرطون
السنة: موسى يفقأ عين ملك الموت رافضاً أن يموت
الله: لا يشرك في حكمه أحداً.
السنة: ألا إن ما حرم الرسول مثل ما حرم الله.
الله: حق القول مني لأملأن جهنم من الجنة والناس أجمعين
السنة: الله سيملأ جهنم برجله ثم تقول جهنم 'قط قط' ( المصدر صحيح مسلم الصفحة ٢٨٤٨ + صحيح البخاري صفحة ٤٨٤٨ )
الله: ادخلوا الجنة بما كنتم تعملون.
السنة: لن يدخل احد عمله الجنة.
الله: ياأيها الذين امنوا كونوا قوامين بالقسط شهداء لله ولو على أنفسكم أو الوالدين والأقربين.
السنة: انصر أخاك ظالماً أو مظلوماً.
الله: هو الأول والآخر والظاهر والباطن
السنة: الرسول يقول: 'أنا العاقب الذي ليس بعده أحد'
الله: اذا نودي للصلاة من يوم الجمعة.
السنة: اذا نودي لصلاة يوم الجمعة.
الله: أم حسب الذين اجترحوا السيئات أن نجعلهم كالذين آمنوا وعملوا الصالحات سواء محياهم ومماتهم ساء ما يحكمون
السنة: يا ابن آدم إنك لو أتيتني بقراب الأرض خطايا ثم لقيتني لا تشرك بي شيئاً لأتيتك بقرابها مغفرة
الله: حرمت عليكم الميتة والدم
السنة: دم الكبد حلال
الله: ويجعل الرجس على اللذين لا يعقلون.
السنة: النقل قبل العقل.
الله: من يرغب عن ملة ابراهيم الا من سفه نفسه.
السنة: من يرغب عن ملة محمد الا من سفه نفسه.
الله: الله يحب المطهرين
السنة: الصحابة يتبركون ببصاق النبي ونخامته
الله: العسل فيه شفاء للناس
السنة: بول البعير فيه شفاء للناس
الله: وما منعنا ان نرسل بالآيات الا ان كذب بها الاولون.
السنة: الماء ينبع بين اصابع الرسول مثل العيون
الله: ولقد رءاه نزلة أخرى
السنة: ولقد رءاه صعدة أخرى
الله: قل ان صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العالمين.
السنة: اجعل لك ( يا محمد ) صلاتي كلها؟ قال: اذاً تكفى همك، ويكفر لك ذنبك.
الله: كتب عليكم اذا حضر احدكم الموت ان ترك خيراً الوصية
السنة: لا وصية لوارث
الله: قل ما كنت بدعاً من الرسل وما ادري ما يفعل بي ولا بكم
السنة: الرسول يبشر عشرة من اصحابه بالجنة
الله: وليست التوبة للذين يعملون السيئات حتى اذا حضر احدهم الموت قال اني تبت الان
السنة: من كان اخر كلامه لا اله الا الله دخل الجنة
الله: ان تطع اكثر من في الارض يضلوك عن سبيل الله.
السنة: من اراد بحبوحة الجنة فليلزم الجماعة.
الله: اولم يكفهم انا انزلنا عليك الكتاب يتلى عليهم؟
السنة: لا لم يكفنا
الله: ام لهم شركاء شرعوا لهم من الدين مالم يأذن به الله؟
السنة: نعم شركاءنا الروايات والافتاءات والشيوخ.
الله: ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق للخيرات.
السنة: الصحابة اورثوا الكتاب وكلهم سابق للخيرات ولايوجد احد منهم ظالم لنفسه.
الله: وظن داود انما فتناه فاستغفر ربه وخر راكعاً
السنة: قال ابن عربي انه لا يوجد خلاف بين العلماء ان معنى الركوع في هذه الآية هو السجود
الله: ان الله لا يأمر بالفحشاء اتقولون على الله مالا تعلمون
السنة: قالت: 'إن سالم رجل ذو لحية' قال: 'أرضعيه'
الله: من شاء فليؤمن ومن شاء فليكفر
السنة: من بدل دينه فاقتلوه
Being called a Quranist is like calling me the N word 😂😂😂
brother Muhammad Ali is awesome..
th-cam.com/channels/eCAQhKbU2ETNWxWxB94HgA.html
That's his TH-cam channel
He is a lair asha3ira don't reject Hadith pseudo salafi
جزاك اللهُ خيرًا بارك الله فيك أحبك في الله أخي يهديكم الله و يصلح بالكم تقبل الله منا ومنكم بأمان الله آمين يارب العالمين
In 2:67 Musa gives the commandment of Allah to slaughter a cow. Instead of acting upon the commandment request straight away, they ask the prophet if he's joking.
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2:67 And when said Musa to his people, "Indeed, Allah commands you that you slaughter a cow."
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2:68 They said, "Pray for us (to) your Lord to make clear to us what it (is)." He said, "Indeed, He says, "[Indeed] it (is) a cow not old and not young, middle-aged between that," so do what you are commanded."
2:69 They said, "Pray for us (to) your Lord to make clear to us what (is) its color." He said, "Indeed, He says, '[Indeed] it is a cow yellow, bright (in) its color, pleasing (to) those who see (it).'"
2:70 They said, "Pray for us (to) your Lord to make clear to us what it (is). Indeed, [the] cows look alike to us. And indeed we, if wills Allah, (will) surely be those who are guided."
2:71 He said, "Indeed, He says, "[Indeed] it (is) a cow not trained to plough the earth, and not water the field; sound, no blemish in it." They said, "Now you have come with the truth." So they slaughtered it, and not they were near (to) doing (it).
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These ayats show the main reasons why people follow hadiths.
Instead of taking the Quran which gives perfectly measured details on how to be amongst the successful, they want additional information and specifics.
Allah says in the Quran such event happened so act like this to be amongst the righteous, hadith followers want to know the exact details of the characters involved, specifics of the event, and its surroundings.
Like the Israelites, When Allah speaks to them through the Quran, they take the perfectly measured details to be a joke. They need the work of their scholars who they believe possess this additional knowledge.
Why can't we benefit from the teachings of the Prophet as the companions did? Your example has nothing to with the issue of hadeeth.
Guy above me is a jahil.
Too many self claiming muslims have not studied islam and do not understand islam and nor do they follow the teachings of the holy Prophet MUHAMMAD pbuh and yet they want to come on air and argue about the religion they know absolutely nothing about with men who spent there lives studying islam and have made it their life to understand islam and the life of the prophet MUHAMMAD pbuh, like all four brothers on this panel who can give evidence for all their views and opinions using the Quran and the teachings of the holy Prophet MUHAMMAD pbuh and the life of the prophet MUHAMMAD pbuh and have knowledge that the viewers can actually learn from and then teach others using the evidence and work done by these well educated and highly knowledgeable brothers on tbis panel.. Quranist on this podcast have shown they do not even know how to pray salah as pescribed by the holy Prophet MUHAMMAD pbuh and the sahaba they know no understanding of islam due to not looking deeper using the hadith... u brothers have done a great job and and im gtateful and want to thank you for educating me and all the viewers around the world... may ALLAH bless and reward u for all your efforts in learning and giving dawah may ALLAH Shower u with his endless blessings...ameen
MasyaAllah, it's a good topic.. The issues of hadith are always being my concern for several months. The fact that even in the Bukhari there is some problematic hadiths (I.e the time of isra' & Mi'raj and story of Prophet's suicidal attempt) which still considered "shahih" is bothering me so much "how about the rest of the Bukhari? Can we still 100% relying on this narrator? And how about shahih hadiths from other narator i.e Muslim etc?" Please guys enlighten me, jazakallah.
The hadith about the suicide attempt is a disconnected report actually.
@Nas - no that's not true. We know there are disconnected reports in bukhari, there is only a few of them, we already know which ones. So you can't say that none of bukhari's hadiths are authentic.
@@Mimi-Maa18Thanks. Zakir Naik and some other Ulama said that Bukhari and Muslim are legitly 100% authentic, I think that's too naive, neither people who blatantly rejecting them. I mean, they are probably contain some Prophet's ﷺ words, but 100%? Wallahu a'lam
Hadiths are fabrications made by the enemies of God and the Prophet by Persian people who had a agenda because they were defeated by the arabs
@@readthequranwithaopenmind9971 I didn't know imam Malik was Persian.
May Allah reward you all for defending sunnah
So simply put, Allah didnt safeguard the Quran, but it was the sahabas. If it wasn't for the Sahabas, Allah would have been useless and could not keep the promise he made that he would protect the Quran. Interesting argument.
😂😂🤡🤡🤡
" if it wasn't for meat I would have died of hunger "
@@tayloryoung4974 If it wasn't for the Sahabas, we would have a Quran according to some of the arguments in this forum. They claim this as if Allah cannot preserve the Quran, though he claims he will in it.
Just because someone is an orthodox Muslim, one should not make this kind of argument.
But if there was no meat, that would mean there are no animals. So I dont how the world would sustain itself without animals. Please explain how it could. Interesting.
Dear brothers Allah bless you you are doing great work on this planet and we love you great
Karim truly IS a “Quranist”
What is this? audhubillah! There is no racism in the Deen! No need for jokes!
@@sultanalhammadi2910 No no lol, that’s not what I’m calling him. But, HE HIMSELF is the one who compared the term “Quranist” with the term “Ni**er”. Why would he do that?..Is that how sensitive he is? Is it not fair for us to distinguish between a NORMAL Muslim and a so called “Muslim” who REJECTS the words and actions of Rasulullah SAW??? Why do these people get so triggered when we call them what they really ARE?...(Quranists)..
@@raymaaf7516 my response wasn't directed to you. I understand where you are coming from. I was directing my response to Hom, but I deleted my comment to avoid creating further issues
@@homtanks7259 that man made himself look like a complete fool .. I cringed throughout when he wa speaking
@@raymaaf7516
Sunnists
you Quran Rejectors reject both Quran and Hadith by your nonsense logic saying "Quran needs Hadith to explain it", and you wanna prove Hadith with Hadith, that's a circular argument fallacy, while who'll prove your people to be reliable, and you've no divine authority for that, so to prove Ahadith you need AlQuran, but you can't understand AlQuran cuz you first need to prove Ahadith, so you're on nothing, you can't follow Quran nor Hadith.
(And AlQuran also has challenges to make a Hadith like it, if you're truthful/52:34, while your Hadith teaches that Prophet was given Quran and something "like" it, and that you call "sunnah" i.e. your Ahadith, i.e. you claim that there is a Hadith like Quran while Allah challenges so do you think that Prophet would give a Hadith like Quran? While it's also said "so in which Hadith besides Allah and His ayats will they believe"/45:6, will you say Bukhari and so on? There is also example of such like you in 10:15, when those asked for other Quran as you took your Ahadith as Quran (Reading) besides AlQuran)
4:45:20 brother Muhammad Umar Farooq, very good points brother, barakallahu feek
Pls ban this Adam guy because he's just a pure troll changing his name and religion at his convenience.
Yep.. clearly a lonely loser with nothing better to do. He's claimed on previous channels/streams that he's not Muslim and now he's a Quranist for several years. I'm sure he also made up lies once about mathematics and someone later came on and rebuked his claims.
Outright liar with nothing better to do.
I think the best thing to do from now on is to screen people from the backstage area and see their faces or at least find out what questions they have before they’re let on...
@@raymaaf7516 Yep.. then easier to remember faces of trolls who come on regularly but keep changing their names/accents.
This "Adam" liar was on Hamza's Den again a couple of days after this stream with another different name and was claiming to be non Muslim again. He really needs to find some friends.
Masha’Allah a beautiful panel of guests!! Barak Allah Fekom!! 💕🌷💕
Umar ibn AlKhattaab was a Quraniy
According to Hadith Bukhari 7366.
@@atraonlycowardsmuteme3285 …😂😂😂 Umar (RA) had the Prophet ﷺ before him and learned the Quran and its meaning and contexts first hand from him. Do you even hear yourself?? 😂🤦🏻♀️
Seriously the ego and audacity to compare any Muslim…let alone a non-Arabic reading/understanding Qurani…to the Sahabah (RA) is next level.
Fussilat 41:6
قُلْ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُوحَىٰٓ إِلَىَّ أَنَّمَآ إِلَٰهُكُمْ إِلَٰهٌ وَٰحِدٌ فَٱسْتَقِيمُوٓا۟ إِلَيْهِ وَٱسْتَغْفِرُوهُۗ وَوَيْلٌ لِّلْمُشْرِكِينَ
Say, [O Muhammad], "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God; so take a straight course to Him and seek His forgiveness." And woe to those who associate others with Allah
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لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله
Al-Munafiqun 63:1-3
إِذَا جَآءَكَ ٱلْمُنَٰفِقُونَ قَالُوا۟ نَشْهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ ٱللَّهِۗ وَٱللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُۥ وَٱللَّهُ يَشْهَدُ إِنَّ ٱلْمُنَٰفِقِينَ لَكَٰذِبُونَ
ٱتَّخَذُوٓا۟ أَيْمَٰنَهُمْ جُنَّةً فَصَدُّوا۟ عَن سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِۚ إِنَّهُمْ سَآءَ مَا كَانُوا۟ يَعْمَلُونَ
ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ ءَامَنُوا۟ ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا۟ فَطُبِعَ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ فَهُمْ لَا يَفْقَهُونَ
When the hypocrites come to you, [O Muhammad], they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of Allah." And Allah knows that you are His Messenger, and Allah testifies that the hypocrites are liars.
They have taken their oaths as a cover, so they averted [people] from the way of Allah. Indeed, it was evil that they were doing.
That is because they believed, and then they disbelieved; so their hearts were sealed over, and they do not understand.
Shaykh Uthman is building quite a following but seriously can he fix his mic... it literally does my head in... please Shaykh fix that mic as you putting the audience through torture
3:01:05 In life if you don’t have patience to listen to anybody, you won’t get to the truth.
Ibn El Shem was definitely Adam the liar (from the efdawah streams). The one who said he performs istinja by prostrating. Who does he think he is fooling?
Also, please stop allowing him on streams. He is purposefully trolling the guests and wasting their time.
He came on 2 times in this stream. He changed his voice as ibn shem once he was exposed first time he came on the strea. He is just a deluded individual. I have no idea what his issue is
What can we expect from trolls and munaafiqs
Yup, he's claimed previously to be an Atheist, then a non Arab, then an Arab, then a mathematician, and today a Muslim who is. Quranist. He also said istinja is done in sujood.
This guy is a very sad pathetic little troll who really needs to find a purpose in life other than coming into Muslims streams and lying.