The Tristan Chord - And Why it Matters

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  • @InsidetheScore
    @InsidetheScore  5 ปีที่แล้ว +236

    Just to clarify something - as said below, there is technically some tonal resolution before the very end. However, the Tristan chord itself is not "resolved" until the very end. Moreover, these moments of "tonal resolution" which end Act One and Two are extremely abrupt - have a listen. They only resolve into a key for the last 30 seconds or so of an 80 minute Act. But more than that...
    Wagner does everything he can to make T&I feel separate and apart from the world around them. So when the Sailors come in at the end of Act One, they're excited to be arriving at Cornwall! It has nothing at all to do with the lovers and their inner conflict. So hooray, triumphant fanfare in a major key, but it is not a resolution of the Tristan chord conflict, nor of the lovers' problem. In fact - the arrival at Cornwall is BAD news for the lovers, because it's where Isolde is being taken to marry King Mark. So the major triumphant fanfare is very jarring.
    The ending of Act 2 is struck with a devastating minor turn - which again only hits in the last 30 seconds of an 80 mins act, as the two of them have nowhere else to turn except for death. That minor tonality is prolonged for a while in the bleak beginning of Act 3, as Tristan lies sick and alone.
    So yes, there are moments of clear cut tonality, to be sure! Though on the whole it is a yearning and searching opera, where tonal expectations are constantly subverted (which, at the time, was revolutionary). But the Tristan Chord itself is not "resolved" until the final minutes of the whole opera. And generally, when the drama focuses on the lovers, there is a characteristic tonal 'restlessness'. Have a listen yourself!

    • @MCALfilms
      @MCALfilms 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I remember learning about this chord in Theory class and the two common 'resolutions' were either interpreting the chord as a French 6th chord and simply 'resolving' on V after it, or we thought of it more non-functionally (Schenker) and it resolving at the 'a tempo' later.
      That being said, I prefer any analysis that further brings into the story of the Opera, as I feel that aspect of musical interpretation is often lost on those that get too deep into the theory of the notes themselves. I think this is the most studied chord simply because of how many ways there are to interpret it. One of my friends tried to analyze it from an atonal perspective and it was rather interesting.

    • @CD122344
      @CD122344 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This chord was invented by Liszt years before Wagner came upon it.

    • @debwagner7505
      @debwagner7505 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      CD122344 They as now that Liszt pasted it in after hearing Wagner. FWIT

    • @Wayne1963
      @Wayne1963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@CD122344 Did you even watch the video, where he explains how even Beethoven used it? Nobody 'invented' it. It's all about the context in which it's used. In this case, it's a vehicle to keep tonality at bay. It's expressing the disharmony of the situation that the characters find themselves in.

  • @shawna_mills8414
    @shawna_mills8414 4 ปีที่แล้ว +187

    I love the facial expressions you make when you play the chords.

    • @wrAIth-AI
      @wrAIth-AI 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's how musicians do.😎

    • @WAB-ARTPRODUCTIONS-ue7dg
      @WAB-ARTPRODUCTIONS-ue7dg ปีที่แล้ว

      This is a phenomena I have noticed often, especially in guitar solos. Why does this happen ? I suggest listening to Rudolf Steiner's lectures on music. I have playlists on my channel that contain these answers.

  • @eyolfos
    @eyolfos 5 ปีที่แล้ว +232

    This is probably the best presentation of this chord that I have ever seen. Great work!

    • @tomowenpianochannel
      @tomowenpianochannel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agree. Your short illustrations on piano of each element while going along are great. Superb teaching and illustration. I was always curious to know what this 'Tristan chord' was about... seems like it was basis of much of Liszt's 2nd half of work, the unresolved and uncertain, opposed to the safe, and resolved.

  •  5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    The revolutionary thing about Wagner is that he showed us that love sounds different than hate. That every human emotion lives in its own musical space.
    The drama of life sometimes resolve, sometimes it doesn’t. That’s what the misunderstood idea of “total work of art” really meant.

  • @fortunatomartino8549
    @fortunatomartino8549 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I never felt lost listening to Tristan and Isolde
    The "atonality" of Tristan was beautiful

  • @HarryYese
    @HarryYese 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    This explanation just adds such a new dimension to the music. I now realize that I've probably never enjoyed any piece of classical music to the fullest. Thank you for this amazing revelation!

  • @Vesnicie
    @Vesnicie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +203

    Of all the music channels I've looked into, I like yours the best. You have heart as well as extensive knowledge. You're not impressing me with your cleverness so much as sharing a real passion. I am subscribed and hope to see much more from you. Cheers!

    • @najrenchelf2751
      @najrenchelf2751 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Snuggles McSquishbottom, welcome to the club. 😊

  • @TubaDwayne
    @TubaDwayne 5 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    I love this conversation. Studied this chord in advanced analysis in undergrad. Your enthusiasm reminds me of one of my favorite professors. I love seeing your face through this. We need visual human proof that this music is worth listening.

  • @bryanreyescomposer
    @bryanreyescomposer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    This chord makes me feel that time is melting. This chord also changed my life. Thank you for the nice video.

    • @aalexjohna
      @aalexjohna 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      SHUT UP YOU PATHETIC FUCKING PONCE.

    • @WillyJunior
      @WillyJunior 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Does it really though...

  • @oncosurgdoc
    @oncosurgdoc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    This guy is an awesome music instructor. I hope that he goes far!

  • @siegfriedderheld7806
    @siegfriedderheld7806 5 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    When I get my first tattoo, it’s going to the the Tristan Chord!

    • @wotan10950
      @wotan10950 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I’d probably choose Hojotoho, but the octave leaps would take up too much of my arm!

    • @Tenorgeiger
      @Tenorgeiger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Make sure they write it correctly. You didn’t even write your comment without a small mistake! (You wrote ”the” instead of “be”. 😂)

    • @thanasis_milios
      @thanasis_milios 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ffs, please don’t.

  • @scotgat
    @scotgat 5 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    An analysis of Wagner's "Parsifal" would be interesting if you have the time in your busy schedule.

    • @maddier1388
      @maddier1388 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Please! Parsifal is incredible! I’m a new subscriber and quite delighted.

    • @tjhooker824
      @tjhooker824 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes Parsifal please

  • @Smax15
    @Smax15 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I enjoy watching you explaining the chord's impact almost as much as I enjoy listening to the music itself. Very heartfelt.

  • @juliusisrich
    @juliusisrich 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Subscribed. Your passion and knowledge reminds me of my favourite teachers

  • @benjatherton
    @benjatherton 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I was lucky enough to see Berlin Philharmonic perform Tristan & Isolde back in 2016, conducted by Simon Rattle. Stuart Skelton (Tristan) was in tears at the end, Eva-Maria Westbroek (Isolde) comforting him. It was an astonishing evening, Conductor, Singers & Orchestra pushing themselves to the limit. The 2nd act in particular, will never forget it. Love this video, captures how the Tristan chord creates such emotion & feeling :-)

  • @MG-fh4ed
    @MG-fh4ed 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As Bernstein said, "this is the hub of the wheel, the central work of all music history".
    Western music changed forever after this Drama. Bruckner, Mahler, Schönberg, Berg, Strauss, etc, adored this masterpiece.

  • @joemcdonald7798
    @joemcdonald7798 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    The film melancholia got me hooked on this haunting beautiful piece...thankyou for posting

    • @alanus52
      @alanus52 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      me too

    • @caseyryanmather
      @caseyryanmather 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just from the few lines he plays, I first heard the strings in my head, then chased the thought to Melancholia.

    • @bearcb
      @bearcb 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great music in a great movie

  • @gojimi3011
    @gojimi3011 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think this chord responds great more and more to our times as in terms of ambiguity but not only. Gives me chills.

  • @aaronzook9540
    @aaronzook9540 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Lovely, intelligent, and heartfelt analysis.

  • @matthewwong1552
    @matthewwong1552 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    As an amateurs composer, you're the only help I get.

    • @SergeyNeiss
      @SergeyNeiss 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Getting a capable composition mentor will help immensely!

    • @ITBahren
      @ITBahren 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Watch "jjay berthume" on youtube, you can see him compose full orchestral pieces from beginning to end with him explaining his thought process. "Rick beato" is also very good for theory but it can get super advanced so if you need something slower, well constructed and accessible to all while still giving you a wide breadth of music theory then go see "musictheoryguy". Another good one is "signals music studio", it has a little emphasis on the guitar but it doesn't get in the way at all. "Richard Atkinson" and "orchestration online" are also good for score analysis. If you work hard and are determined that should be enough to get you pretty far, good luck :)

    • @matthewwong1552
      @matthewwong1552 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ITBahren thank you so much

    • @ivancaragia9993
      @ivancaragia9993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      007Raizor thank you a loot!

  • @markmalbone1147
    @markmalbone1147 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent exploration of this, from one musicologist to another.

  • @thebluestgiraffe7160
    @thebluestgiraffe7160 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you--this is fascinating and I look forward to watching more of your videos. Your singing is also distinctly beautiful. Cheers!

  • @johnmarraffa5079
    @johnmarraffa5079 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I sang Debussy's "En Sourdine" in college and never realized it's connection to Wagner's "Tristan" chord. Same thing with "Galliwog's Cakewalk" Thanks for this. It was illuminating.

  • @charleshudson5330
    @charleshudson5330 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Your videos on music are some of the best at TH-cam. You're an addiction. The Tristan score is, in my opinion, the most orgasmic music ever written. And the early audiences were duly shocked.

  • @mikebliss3153
    @mikebliss3153 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Thank you for the intensive study into Debussy's use of the chord as well. Incredible.

  • @albuch520
    @albuch520 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This channel is absolutely amazing. Great work!

  • @cliffchen7428
    @cliffchen7428 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonderful and insightful video! Thank you for introducing me to this concept, and the musical worlds it shaped after Wagner

  • @eduardocamacho4636
    @eduardocamacho4636 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Omg I have a harmony test in two weeks and we are studying Wagner, this is so useful, Thank you!

  • @Ermude10
    @Ermude10 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    7:17 Didn't expect that resolution at all since I've listened to this piece many times, and it caught me so off guard that I let out a laugh and almost choked on my coffee!

  • @TheSIGHTREADINGProject
    @TheSIGHTREADINGProject 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I like this video format by the way. I see some miss the usual format with score etc. However, if this format makes it possible to upload rather than spend hours in the edit then go for it. It was great (and impressive) to listen to your live demonstration and appreciate your knowledge and passion on it. A complicated edit is a ‘nice to have’ not a requirement for me. Enjoyed ‘meeting’ you and seeing your enthusiasm! Your love of talking about this subject comes across so well on screen. Fantastic

  • @eden5512
    @eden5512 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The best classical music channel I had discovered so far. Dude you will be famous!
    By the way, I loved this overture and I didn’t know why until I watched this video. Some of the words perfectly described my feeling.

  • @MartinMcAvoy
    @MartinMcAvoy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just love the way you presented this video. Wagner is such a mystery to young people but you really helped me to understand why I am mesmerised by this opera.

  • @wolfwind1
    @wolfwind1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent presentation. Your discussion, personality, camera position, Just really well done. Subscribed.

  • @markpettis2896
    @markpettis2896 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love Wagner have all his mature opera‘sCDs I’ve always wondered why the Tristan
    Cord was so intriguing and you did a beautiful job explain thank you so much

  • @papasitoman
    @papasitoman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I always recall Excalibur 1981 when I hear Wagner...especially Lancelot and Guinevere.

  • @adamdonahue2079
    @adamdonahue2079 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    These videos are such gifts... I hope uni is going well for you!

  • @daviddichmann4905
    @daviddichmann4905 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Your videos are the absolute best !! This new format is absolutely brilliant as well.

  • @ehuntley83
    @ehuntley83 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know very little about music theory and criticism, but I think that this video is about to send me down a rabbit hole. And I'm very much looking forward to it!

  • @cellokeith
    @cellokeith 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So interesting. I could listen to this guy for hours. A born musician and educator.

  • @devanishant
    @devanishant 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I first heard this 50 years ago at the Dallas Public Library, on vinyl with headphones. The record contained a Chopin etude, a Schoenberg String Quartet and the Prelude to Tristan und Isolde. I did not know it was from an opera, or even what an opera was at that point. But I must have loved it because I listened over and over. Twenty years later, married with children, I was parked at a Burger King. The kids were playing in the park and I was sitting in my car listening to public radio. I heard Jesse Norman belting out the Liebestod accompanied by the full orchestra. I had never heard it before. Tears streamed down my cheeks then as now and whenever I listen again. Check out "Wagner-Isolde's Liebestod-Waltraud Meier..."

  • @MrSOLOPIANIST
    @MrSOLOPIANIST 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3.00 Excellent insight. Setting the chord in the context of usual practice ... brings out the MYSTERY Of the chord ... which is why it had such an enormous impact on musicians and the wider public ... For it was beyond all expectations ...

  • @languagepolicy
    @languagepolicy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I love the Tristan's chord, I love this video! 😍

  • @Sincebrassnorstone
    @Sincebrassnorstone 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    We're playing Rachmaninoff The Bells this week. There is a gorgeous Tristan reference in the second movement, appropriately "Wedding Bells "

  • @markbrumfield9533
    @markbrumfield9533 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I cannot read music or understand the mathematics behind it but I HEARD exactly what you were talking about in this presentation which is gold to an illiterate music lover like myself . I think I first really consciously noticed this irresolution thing going on in Messiaen's Quartet for the End of Time . Thank you for making my enjoyment of music more informed without diminishing it into academia . Thanks for what you do .

  • @robertjohnson5838
    @robertjohnson5838 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love eveything you said and presented. Tristan AND Impressionists captured my heart in about 9th grade and I never went back.

  • @dancingshiva7008
    @dancingshiva7008 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow! That was fun! I wish it was longer! I can tell you love exploring and sharing your findings--and it's contagious!

  • @JBorda
    @JBorda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fascinating stuff man. Thanks for sharing this knowledge

  • @mkartmkart6335
    @mkartmkart6335 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Played piano since i was 3, made some music, lived music, but never got into the theory, so happy I found your channel ! I have sooo much to learn. Thank you

  • @tinysteelorchestra
    @tinysteelorchestra 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know next to nothing about theory, I write songs out of chords (and sometimes make up my own chords). This was thirteen minutes of heaven for me. I need to find ways of working in these sort of ideas. Wonderful! Thank you!

  • @ohmindgobeyondyourlimitedp3846
    @ohmindgobeyondyourlimitedp3846 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for your very useful and informative explanation - I am new to Wagner's music and mostly used to classical music of earlier composers.

  • @FueganTV
    @FueganTV 5 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    It is not true that the opera proceeds for more than three hours without resolution. The first and second acts conclude with clear tonal resolutions. The third act begins with a variation of the Tristan chord motif that features a plagal cadence (this time Wagner does quite the opposite to the first act prelude, moving from dissonance to consonance). Therefore, at certain places in the score tonalities are established and tension is resolved.
    It is true, however, that the opera generally feels like a long way from the first Tristan chord to its final resolution in B major in the very last measures.

    • @InsidetheScore
      @InsidetheScore  5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      You're right my riffing should not be trusted! However there are caveats! The Act One resolution is very much in the last 20 seconds only (of an 80+ minute Act), and it's the chorus shouting "Cornwall, Hail!" to a massive fanfare on a very sudden perfect cadence that seems itself unprepared. That, musically and dramatically speaking, has little or nothing to do with Tristan and Isolde's characters - Wagner does everything he can to pit T&I against the rest of the world, or emphasise how distant they feel from the world. I always found the ending fanfare of Act 1 to be intentionally jarring - a moment of sudden tonal clarity in an otherwise ocean of searching. But the clarity doesn't come from T&I, it comes from the sailors shouting Land Ho. Moreover, remember that arriving at Cornwall is Bad News for the lovers - it's where Isolde is being taken to marry the King of Cornwall.
      Likewise Act 2, where the sexual climax is devastated by the famous "Coitus Interruptus" (Rette dich, Tristan!!!) - and then the music becomes usurped by the Hunting Chorus, who have returned to ruin T&I's night. The final minor resolution is devastating because they have nowhere to turn except death - the final resolution.
      It is only at the end of Act 3 that we have a sense of *true* resolution. At least that's my reading
      But as always - thank you for corrections!

    • @Dan474834
      @Dan474834 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Fuegan There are tonal resolutions obviously over the course of a 4 hour opera, but the chord itself, the longing motive of the prelude, is never resolved until the very end.

    • @TheOneAndOnlyZeno
      @TheOneAndOnlyZeno 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Dan474834 You hit the nail on the head.

  • @AnnaKhomichkoPianist
    @AnnaKhomichkoPianist 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Your videos are so interesting and always on point! Really enjoy watching them

  • @Jetlaggroupe
    @Jetlaggroupe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very interesting comment, just saw Tristan & Isolde yesterday (Paris, Bastille) and those chords keep haunting me! I didn't know this half diminished was called Tristan chord.. Good to know other people are haunted ;-) so thank you so much

  • @RobertMWelsh
    @RobertMWelsh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    And now might be a good time to progress up to Alexander Scriabin’s “Chord of Pleroma” (or Mystic Chord) which he felt enshrined the totality of all Divine Power. This chord is the basis of his work “Prometheus” for piano, orchestra and LIGHT KEYBOARD (a keyboard that would by pressing a given key, produce a colored light or combination of colors that would represent their direct association to a feeling or spiritual concept and symbol). Scriabin’s output from this point onward was based and greatly expanded, on the tone relationships from the notes in this chord. Completely new scales and chords (based on 4ths) were the cornerstone of this period, all culminating to the great “MYSTERIUM”, the was never realized because of his sudden death.
    The scope of this mankind shifting, 7 day, multi sensory, spiritual rite, at the foot hills of the Himalayan mountains, would have been the grandest expression in art of all time.

  • @HumbleNewMusic
    @HumbleNewMusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you 🙂 Love how casual & friendly this all is yet really informative & enjoyable... Gonna go play this chord right now... 😎

  • @balkthor
    @balkthor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this. I just watched this opera in Seattle yesterday as it's one of those "You Must See This Before You Die" type shows and honestly, I was struggling to understand it's significance. This was extremely informative!

  • @HarlanHarris
    @HarlanHarris 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Speaking of scores, it's worth noting that the outstanding Lars von Trier movie Melancholia starts out with a legit 8-minute-long overture, set to the prelude from Tristan and Isolde. It's visually amazing, on top of this great (and important!) music. (It's available here on TH-cam. Play it loud.)
    Are there other movies that feature Tristan and Isolde?

    • @Christopher.white_
      @Christopher.white_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Harlan Harris Ivan’s XTC.

    • @jonz2951
      @jonz2951 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Excalibur circa 1981 ish

  • @bartwatts1921
    @bartwatts1921 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You’re presentation is informative and enjoyable. You’re an excellent instructor. Do keep it up.

  • @dirkbretschneider4935
    @dirkbretschneider4935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Golliwogg's cakewalk is not only quoting the tristan chord in the middle section. The A-section is a ragtime based on the tristan chord, too. The notes ab, f, eb and cb (a enharmonic version of the tristan chord) are all over the place and quite prominent in the opening theme. It really needs some genious to mix up Joplin and Wagner and only Debussy could do that!

  • @planetmullins
    @planetmullins 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your videos are so great! Thanks for posting. Greetings from LA CA USA.

  • @decipheringguitarmusictheory
    @decipheringguitarmusictheory 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Some also hear it as an augmented 6th chord, not one of the regular 3: F, B, D#, G# with a slightly different resolution - the D# moving to D natural instead of up to E and the B and G# resolving as part of a voice exchange between the aug 6 and dominant 7th

  • @forgottensonata83
    @forgottensonata83 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just what my heart needed today. Thank you 🥰

  • @Ivan_1791
    @Ivan_1791 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Tristan und Isolde is the best opera of all times.

    • @threethrushes
      @threethrushes 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seen the 'Book of Mormon'?

    • @CMI2017
      @CMI2017 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stimmt

    • @Breakbeat90s
      @Breakbeat90s 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      *laughs in wozzeck*

    • @mustafacom6378
      @mustafacom6378 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Breakbeat90s LANGSAM!

    • @boundary2580
      @boundary2580 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@threethrushes what?

  • @davidmanze7563
    @davidmanze7563 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Wagner chord ......... still haunts me to this day ... 58 years later..... but it's not the chord but the way Wagner mesures every sentiment .... but hey.... I don't need to tell my grandmother to suck eggs ..... Great job !!

  • @simadenenberg6556
    @simadenenberg6556 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonderfully done! Bravo.

  • @LemonCurry.
    @LemonCurry. 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Everytime you played that chord, it reminded me of Rhapsody in Blue. I don't know how this part is called but if you recall the Fantasia 2000 animation, it was just before the ice-skating part.

  • @williamgreen1512
    @williamgreen1512 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My thoughts are that it makes for a great doorway into the relationship of classical music to Opera , this/your , video that is . I mean it's all to easy to think of Opera as simply an extension or sister if you like , of the classical music genre . But in itself it has a multitude of interesting benefactors to the world perfermoance art . Inspiring video thanks .....

  • @DrIIGerMusic
    @DrIIGerMusic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    new here. I appreciate what you are going. I would have like to see your hands on the keys with clear view of the chord structure. but then again the more I watch over it.it's theory & analysis

  • @ViktoriousFlutes
    @ViktoriousFlutes 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks, I needed this. My music theory teacher referred to this chord and I had no idea what she was talking about.

  • @wilhelminemarialoe6455
    @wilhelminemarialoe6455 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just realized that Debussy's Cakewalk contains Wagner's T&I Prelude and wow... such different attitudes.
    Thank you for explaining about Tristan chord! I really enjoy your video!

  • @TheSIGHTREADINGProject
    @TheSIGHTREADINGProject 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for a great analysis. A fascinating subject. I didn’t start studying music until later in life and first heard about this 2 years ago. So glad to hear your thoughts on it here

  • @Edeskenney
    @Edeskenney ปีที่แล้ว

    You are a wonderful teacher, thank you so much.

  • @davidcallahan2832
    @davidcallahan2832 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sometime you might address for us the problem of Wagner's demolition of western music, which one critic likened to razing a thriving village to make room to build his cathedral. Another critic---Hanslick, I think---opined that after Wagner's astonishing high wire act composers attempting to follow his example would surely break their necks. If, as you say, the tonal ambiguity in "Tristan" and its long refusal to resolve leads us to atonality, that does introduce a fatal flaw into the equation. I adore the music of "Tristan" for the emotional engagement I always feel hearing it. I love being drawn into its extravagant and strange harmonic progressions, but no matter where the music ranges, with Wagner I always feel that I am on the path to a destination. Other composers, following his example, meander through keys without a tonal center and withhold resolution to heighten tension, but it can feel like the elaboration of a method without the emotional purpose that compels it into being. It seems to me that composers were more successful when they refused to become his disciples, and did as Debussy did, using Wagnerian elements to realize their own ideas. The German school went down fast after Wagner. The schools of other countries remained viable well into the 20th century. Why was the effect of "Tristan" so potent and destructive at the same time? Was Nietzsche right about Wagner when he said he was “not the prophet of the future, as perhaps he would wish to appear to us, but the interpreter and clarifier of the past?” Is his music really just an addictive artistic drug that deadens the pain of existence rather than affirms life?

  • @alkmene
    @alkmene ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this. I am so touched about it.

  • @saltburner2
    @saltburner2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    beautifully clear exposition.

  • @donmckenzie6109
    @donmckenzie6109 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's worth looking at Liszt's Faust Symphony, which provided a harmonic and melodic inspiration for some of Wagner's Tristan, as well as some themes in The Ring

  • @ataricom
    @ataricom 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've know about the "Tristan chord" for quite a while but listening to you break it down as it's being played really helps me put into words why I love his music and everything it has since inspired. Composers alive circa JPE Bach through Hayden, Mozart in particular, turned composing almost into a science. As long as you followed what was essentially a template you could write music. It was almost formulaic and repetitive, which fit perfectly with what was fashionable at the time, but I've always found classical cadences and forms to be too sterile and predictable. Beethoven helped rewrite the rules and things got a little more experimental for much of the 19th century, but a lot of it was still copy and paste, imitate and maybe innovate. It wasn't until the latter half of the century with the rise of the Mighty Handful in Russia, Saint-Saens and of course Wagner that I can finally feel true tension and emotion in music. A hundred years before them you had maybe a specific key or mode to show sadness or despair, but you had to break so many conventions to make the music itself, almost in a meta way, to demonstrate the kinds of emotions that music could really portray.

    • @gabbleratchet1890
      @gabbleratchet1890 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What a load of twaddle. There was no time when you could just follow a template and write good music. The idea that the great composers from the 18th and early 19th century were just doing a "copy and paste'" is absurd. You don't know as much about music as you think you do.

  • @thorified7904
    @thorified7904 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you. Insightful and wonderfully relayed

  • @galinor7
    @galinor7 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I play the low whistle. I mean, I'm from the other side and all. Jig, real and hornpipe but I have to say... this is SO interesting! Thank you so much!

  • @zaimzibran6601
    @zaimzibran6601 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    dude i love this sm

  • @billyboyblue1539
    @billyboyblue1539 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent and so good to "hear" your analyzation --from a young and intelligent musician -

  • @1506pinkers
    @1506pinkers 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating. You are a gifted teacher.

  • @maryseeker7590
    @maryseeker7590 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would you mind writing out these two chords that you talk about in letters that I might learn them better? This video you made has been enjoyable because now I know why I enjoy this particular Wagner piece so much!

  • @waterglass55
    @waterglass55 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Beethoven's 18th Sonata, Clair de lune, cake walk, gymnopedie attract me years and years, but I couldn't realize the resemblance to the theme of Tristan und Isolde.
    Thank you very much for the analysis.
    It would be fantastic if you can explain how the theme changes and develops in the entire opera.

  • @23gregorius
    @23gregorius 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is an interesting demonstration how all western music is based upon Bach as presented by Leonhard Bernstein in his the "Unanswered Question", a standard now for any music student. He shows us a consequent unfolding in accords as proven in the music of Beethoven, Berlioz and Wagner. The accords keep from Bach to Mahler more and more a rising ambiguity; in the beginning the ear cannot fathom in which key the music will end. And sometimes there is no definite end when the music closes with a still ambiguous accord.

  • @paulwilliams1310
    @paulwilliams1310 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is so helpful. I'm just reading Daniel Barenboim's book "Everything Is Connected". He refers to the connection between sound and silence, in the course of which he highlights what he calls 'the Tristan Chord' - you've explained it, thanks.

  • @gerardocardenas6591
    @gerardocardenas6591 ปีที่แล้ว

    Transmiting enthousiasm and love for the great music! Thx!

  • @pega17pl
    @pega17pl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Tristan chord is already introduced by Wagner in the Wesendonck Liedern in "Im Treibhaus" - Heinz

  • @yordankaacosta2849
    @yordankaacosta2849 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Also, César Franck's violin Sonata in A minor has the same beginning as Debussy' song.
    Thank you for your analysis.

  • @chaellavalkenaar5309
    @chaellavalkenaar5309 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's a pleasant surprise to see your face after so long of only voiceovers.

  • @TheSimLord
    @TheSimLord 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this video about the greatest composer! Cheers

  • @copperdog
    @copperdog 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Bernard Herrmann was clearly influenced by this chord in his Vertigo score.

  • @mpedrinha_
    @mpedrinha_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video and analysis. Thank you!

  • @Ivan_1791
    @Ivan_1791 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So happy I found this channel.

  • @kookamunga2458
    @kookamunga2458 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think that chord is also used in the song Strange Fruit by Billie Holiday. I listen to Wagner's Ring cycles every night before bed . It takes about a week and a half to get through the whole opera. I don't know much german but that does not matter as long as the orchestrasin is good .

  • @janethchacon8924
    @janethchacon8924 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love it. Thank you very much. I want to know how can I form the Tristan Chord.

  • @albertomuller212
    @albertomuller212 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoyed your explanation so much, thanks!

  • @meganbordelon
    @meganbordelon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant as usual!

  • @RogerOThornhill
    @RogerOThornhill 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love this video! My only disappointment is I was hoping you'd get to Bernard Herrmann and his "resolution" of Tristan in Vertigo and North by Northwest. Perhaps this could be your sequel?

  • @linreynoso8963
    @linreynoso8963 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great content, listen to your channel all the time. For those if us more interested in the theory and not as much as the emotion of music, would love it if you would every once in awhile tell us the notes and chord progressions that you are playing as well. My ear isn't that good, but I would love to analyze the actual notes being played. For instance, letting us know what chord/notes Debussy went to in his piece as opposed to say he went to this laughing section. Thanks and keep up the great content!