Archers Are Criminally Underrated In Film ft. Donut Operator, Admin Results & The Fat Electrician

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  • @Trelleborg980
    @Trelleborg980 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +87

    I love how Nick's new thing is just triggering everyone until they go on a rant about something they either absolutely hate or love.

  • @BFVgnr
    @BFVgnr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

    Colt's first revolver, the Patterson, saw service with the Texas Rangers. They'd carry two Patterson revolvers (at least), plus their rifles and knives. Then Ranger Captain Walker went to Colt and said, yeah, these are nice, but instead of five shots, can you do six, and how about a bigger ball, like .44, instead of the .36 of the Patterson.
    Thus was born the Colt 'Walker' and it's successor, the Colt Dragoon.

    • @Grynslvr2
      @Grynslvr2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yep, and it was the Patterson which did the Comanches in. Remember, their bows were pretty weak compared to a longbow, so the range was fairly short. Oh, say about pistol range.

    • @spartanhawk7637
      @spartanhawk7637 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Don’t forget the Walker was also powerful enough to be prone to misfiring rather explosively in the early models. Straight up the metal of the cylinder wasn’t strong enough to hold together till they fixed it with the Dragoon. It’s like the most beautifully Texan thing ever.

    • @Grynslvr2
      @Grynslvr2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@spartanhawk7637 Yep, and that "fix" involved a reduced powder load.

    • @717UT
      @717UT 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I love the story of the development of the Walker Dragoon. I did a history report on Samuel Colt back in middle school and that was my favorite part. I was also the child expert on Colt firearms after that lol

    • @ryanomalley3705
      @ryanomalley3705 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      From 60gr to 50gr iirc​@@Grynslvr2

  • @amywright2243
    @amywright2243 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

    "Do it! This community loves it!" 🤣 Truth

    • @mktinsley1
      @mktinsley1 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Release your tism

  • @demomanchaos
    @demomanchaos 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    To beat horse archers you use regular archers who can use more powerful bows, and send much denser volleys of arrows at them. You can also take and hold high ground or use field fortifications to essentially nullify them. Mounted archers cannot force heavy infantry off a hill, nor take a castle, nor hold a hill against the advancing enemy. They can annoy you, but if you don't let them play their game and force them into situations that aren't open field skirmishes they really don't perform well. That is why in Europe you didn't see horse archers all that often as the terrain wasn't suited for it.

    • @altechelghanforever9906
      @altechelghanforever9906 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Or you do what the Mamluks did, be as good at horse archery.

    • @aburoach9268
      @aburoach9268 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      No you don't, Here is how horse archers can match foot archers, they simply dismount, take their more powerfull foot bows & engage the foot archers on equal terms & yes this is historically accurate, Mongols & other nomadic armies carried bows to be shot on foot and bows to be shot on horseback
      & if it's on the openfield, the Horse archers can simply surround the foot archers, get in range and shoot at them from all sides
      Also, your other arguments only count for purely dedicated horse archers, which most of the time was not the case, especially with nomadic armies, those were multi purpose horse archers, they could also charge with lances, dismount and shoot as foot archers, or take shield, spear, sword, mace etc and act as infantry
      it's not as simple as this Total war game logic that you are describing

    • @demomanchaos
      @demomanchaos 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@aburoach9268 So for horse archers to beat foot archers they have to stop being horse archers and become foot archers, this proving my point.

  • @bladetyler4721
    @bladetyler4721 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    I’m Comanche, I don’t ride a horse and suck at archery….not really a candidate to make Chief.. lol

    • @camerongooch9606
      @camerongooch9606 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Don't worry, considering your competition is Ser Doctor Warchief Joe medicine Crow, I think you'll be alright. That's some big shoes to fill.

    • @zacharycrago2753
      @zacharycrago2753 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😂😂😂

  • @benjaminjones-zc3ko
    @benjaminjones-zc3ko 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    For anyone who thinks an archer is a twig remember no one could string Odysseus bow but Odysseus that’s why it was a challenge for the suitors.

    • @davehart1027
      @davehart1027 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wasn't there a thing? Like, everyone was stringing the bow wrong? The bow and string couldn't be strung like a normal bow, everyone was tryna string like a normal bow ?

    • @benjaminjones-zc3ko
      @benjaminjones-zc3ko 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@davehart1027 No he was just the only one who could string it. I think you’re remembering the Xena episode where she had to sneak and help him. Or it could be the sowing Penelope weaved during the day but would tear up at night to hold the suitors back.

    • @davehart1027
      @davehart1027 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @benjaminjones-zc3ko nah I'm remembering false history from like a 1980s movie, they strung the bow and shot it through targets, honestly xena was a shexi minx, would remember her being involved

    • @benjaminjones-zc3ko
      @benjaminjones-zc3ko 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@davehart1027 true Xena is goddess, but in your defense with how Hollywood cherry picks the story every time they do an adaptation they seriously mess it up.

    • @davehart1027
      @davehart1027 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@benjaminjones-zc3ko so rememberish the sequence, how to string odysseus bow is not raw strength, you need to string 1 end, run the loop through the the bow, then bend it and voila, you cant bend the bow and put the loop on the circle holding notch by stringing the bow and brute strength, which everyone was tryna do, thats the randum memory from a 80s film...

  • @gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263
    @gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +109

    Modern archery is more a "hobby" than a relevant skill. At least during civil times. It is more practical to just use a rifle if you are hungry.

    • @lars7747
      @lars7747 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      its fun tho, in my country getting a gun is a hassle, but i meet up with friend from a country where you can own one a few times a year. And we have accuracy competitions, bow vs handgun.

    • @adamlewellen5081
      @adamlewellen5081 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Unless you are with a hunting party and don't want to run off all the game in the area. But yea good point, no reason at all.

    • @ls200076
      @ls200076 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@adamlewellen5081skill issue dayo

    • @niceguyniko
      @niceguyniko 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who could have known this? Oh, everyone.

    • @antonyparker9291
      @antonyparker9291 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You’re clueless.

  • @farvadafatazz2274
    @farvadafatazz2274 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    They also had denser and thicker bones in their arms and/or forearms. Like 30% larger or something like that. Insanity!

    • @SLOCLMBR
      @SLOCLMBR 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂 muscles? Maybe.. big boned? You sound like a 400 pounder..

  • @JayCWhiteCloud
    @JayCWhiteCloud 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Point of interest...(F.E. may appreciate this?)...My grandmother (mixed-race Kiowa-Comanche) would speak of her great-grandfathers, uncles, and relatives in old battles and raids. She was born in 1898 and her stories of battles, feuds, and related could (probably should...LOL) fill books. Even without embellishment, I learned early on that our Comanche heritage of insane male warriors was only surpassed by the brutality of the women in most clans. A reality I can personally attest to...LMAO...and this was after "quitting the blood" as Grandma would say with a little Highlander and African...Love this channel and your conversations!!!

  • @PiousSlayer
    @PiousSlayer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    'The best way to get a professional archer is to start with the grandfather' or something like that.

  • @philiphinton6259
    @philiphinton6259 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    What gets my goat is when the command "fire" is used, there's no fire involved, it's "loose"

  • @blazer2123
    @blazer2123 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    It should be stated, horse archers were in fact made use of in the armies of Western Europe in the High Medieval period, including throughout the Hundred Years War between the French and English. Some used in more of a dragoon-like capacity, but many as genuine horse archers, just working amidst the backdrop of the Western European landscape and style of warfare.
    Whilst not as well recognized a martial tradition today, it existed none the less.

  • @gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263
    @gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    True Nick, the Dothraki Were based on the Hunn and Comanche.

  • @dublkrossr2059
    @dublkrossr2059 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    For the record,,,, the American Indian didn't have Horses until years after the Spanish brought them to the American continent.

  • @darthhodges
    @darthhodges 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    If you weren't convinced of Ghengis being a badass he extracted tribute from the Vikings. All the oldest cities in north-eastern Europe were founded (or conquered) by Vikings who had traveled the rivers south. By the time the Mongols got there they were known as the Kiev Rus. They paid the Mongols to not kill them. Sometime after the Mongols stopped coming to collect Rus became Russian.

    • @needsmetal
      @needsmetal 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And that was after the Mongols destroyed the rus

  • @mattskag2
    @mattskag2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The Wagon Box Fight was one of the first fights using lever action and breach loading rifles against Lakota Sioux. The Sioux baited the first shot then charged out, a successful tactic against muzzle loaders, but got some lever action lovin instead.

  • @GarySpryJr
    @GarySpryJr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Traditional bows are far more difficult to draw because the draw weight increases the further it's pulled back. Stacking is a huge issue too. It's the complete opposite of a compound

  • @gibster9624
    @gibster9624 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's not that Hollywood loves the trope. It's that if you are wearing full suits of armor and swinging a sword for over an hour, you're pretty freaking jacked as well. The difference is the thicker bone density changes things dramatically. The other issue is Japanese could shoot a bow with crazy accuracy and only weigh 140lbs while doing it.
    Another big reason its a "trope" are the vikings were known for being super massive compared to the English soldiers
    But really, the biggest reason for the "trope" is that most archers are just extras, and extras just aren't jacked.

  • @reddevilben2112
    @reddevilben2112 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    the parthians were among the first to use the mounted archer strategy on mass if my memory doesn't fail me they effed up crassus so bad

    • @BFVgnr
      @BFVgnr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Which is also commonly mis-stated as 'a parting shot', when it's actually a Parthian shot. The Parthian archer/cavalry would charge enemy lines, then feign a retreat shooting at the enemy as they retreated.

    • @demomanchaos
      @demomanchaos 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      They only did that because Crassus was a moron who marched blindly into the desert, and the Parthians had a camel train full of arrows to resupply, and the Cataphracts charging into the dehydrated and exhausted Legionnaires (Exhausted from the march, not the arrow rain). In quite literally any other situation they'd have failed to break the Legion.

    • @matthewlentz2894
      @matthewlentz2894 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      And then they poured molten gold down Crassus' throat to kill him.

    • @riverraven7359
      @riverraven7359 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Scythians way before that

    • @tonyh2181
      @tonyh2181 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@matthewlentz2894 that's metal

  • @Mulletman_03
    @Mulletman_03 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The Osage tribe used to be able to draw long bows from horseback and shoot an arrow through a full grown bull bison. Ancient archers were nuts

  • @Raptor1970
    @Raptor1970 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    The Welsh longbow is one of the most devestating long range bows in history.

    • @bansenpy5553
      @bansenpy5553 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      True,and the Welsh were known as the best Archers in england

    • @HalIOfFamer
      @HalIOfFamer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Eastern composite bows from around the same era were about as powerful at half the size.

    • @bansenpy5553
      @bansenpy5553 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HalIOfFamer I highly doubt that statement,same power at half the size?they had access to carbon fiber or something?eastern bows served another purpose but I don't remember any that were as heavy and strong as the English longbow ,I would love to learn more tho if you have a reference

    • @HalIOfFamer
      @HalIOfFamer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bansenpy5553 they used ox horn bow backing and bent them in reverse, when you unstring an eastern bow it bends back on itslef into a circle. Crazy how much superior they were.

    • @Raptor1970
      @Raptor1970 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HalIOfFamer but they didn’t have the range or the ability to fire heavy arrows which was the big difference, mainly because they didn’t need to. Eastern composites, especially the mongol layered horn bow are amazing bows.

  • @gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263
    @gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    A longbow is insanely powerful. These Men were pectoral monsters. One of those archers could knock Mike Tyson out with a right hook. Just like the Roman pretorian guard. Those guys are the biggest and strongest soldiers of their time. Yet, movies make them out to be pampered sissies.

    • @bradhaines3142
      @bradhaines3142 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      how would it be pectoral when that muscle would be more for closing when what theyre doing is opening? more like lats

    • @gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263
      @gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bradhaines3142 Fair, but I still think you need a strong chest

    • @bradhaines3142
      @bradhaines3142 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263 theyd definitely have a legendary bitch slap though, thats for sure

    • @ChaplainPhantasm
      @ChaplainPhantasm 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263I believe you also need A LOT of shoulder muscle to hold that string steady

    • @Fruktz
      @Fruktz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ChaplainPhantasm The goal is to draw with your back. Using shoulders can create really bad injuries. With more modern bows like barebow where you have draw weights up to like 60lb you will be able to draw a lot more and hold it for a long time if you use your back rather then shoulders. Your bone alignment also contributes to being able to hold bows drawn for a longer time. When you use shoulders it tends to damage them and also causes your arm muscles to get tired. When using the back your arms and shoulders should almost be relaxed when drawing the string and to get the best shots off.

  • @beowulfsrevenge4369
    @beowulfsrevenge4369 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nearly everybody was stronger and tougher back then. Imagine all the physical labor the lower classes did outside in all weather. They walked more than we do today with not very good shoes or no shoes. Life was just tougher back then.
    Archery, at least in England during Agincourt, was required by law for all those physically capable to participate in. Also the archers taken by Henry V on his campaigns weren't just any archers. The core archers would be royal huntsman/foresters/body guard, the elite of English Archery. The rest of the archers would have to pass trials of accuracy and speed to be taken. They would routinely overlook criminal records if you were a good enough archer and wanted to join the army. And as mentioned, they were shooting REALLY heavy bows. The wreck of the Mary Rose is a nice time capsule of what sort of weapons they used back then with a ton of Archery stuff. With bow draw weights from 65 lbs to 175 lbs, with a median of about 110 lbs. A 110 lbs bow is no joke to shoot quickly and accurately. These were men were very strong and tough.
    The logistics behind supplying and maintaining the English longbow men was also crazy. Taxes were often paid in either the supplies to make arrows, fully made arrows, staves for bows, materials for making bow strings, or money specificallyment to but bows and arrows. Spain was partly paying tolls and taxes in yew staves because yew trees that make good bows grows better in Spain then it does in England. It was also common for yew trees to be planted on church property for the purpose of growing bow staves. To this day you'll find yew trees from that time on the property of old churches in England.
    Kevin Hicks of thehistorysquad on TH-cam has some great videos both on the shooting longbow but also on the logistics of longbows for war. If you're interested in the English longbow, I highly recommend you check out his channel.

  • @Lo-tf6qt
    @Lo-tf6qt 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    7:41 this siege sounds a lot like the Siege of Odawara in 1590 during the Sengoku Jidai, I'm not sure about a similar siege in China so I'd be grateful if someone could correct me

  • @michaelhowell2326
    @michaelhowell2326 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    One of the things that kept the Mongols from going all the way to the Atlantic was fortified positions. Like real castles made from stone. It didn't singlehandedly stop them but it helped.

  • @chaparacing5971
    @chaparacing5971 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    There are a couple of really good bowmen books written by Bernard Cornwall. His grail trilogy and his azincourt novel.
    Both a good read.

  • @wittsullivan8130
    @wittsullivan8130 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Battle of Crecy was also the first battle with a significant number of firearms ranging from "pipe on a stick" Handgonnes (.69" or so) and Bombards up to 30" caliber. The powder was mixed by hand, dry, on site, so the ingredients wouldn't separate on the way to the battle. They had companies of gunners after that alongside archers and crossbowmen.

  • @A_Wild_Dyzzy
    @A_Wild_Dyzzy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I loved archery as a kid, and got to take it back during high school and in the Boy Scouts. The difference between a conventional bow and a compound is astounding.

  • @CodyKelly-
    @CodyKelly- 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Oh shit. Admins here!

  • @chuckysmith5255
    @chuckysmith5255 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've done a bit of archery and to give you an idea you can hunt very well with a 25lb bow and you still feel it after shooting all day with it the bow I use is only 35lb but have no problems taking out a bird or rabbit and shooting it all day

  • @valkgh
    @valkgh 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have a friend who does a medieval archery and he is absolutely jacked he looks like a bodybuilder

  • @shanehudson3995
    @shanehudson3995 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    In addition to how bows are treated in Hollyweird, medieval armor gets it just as bad, if not worse.

  • @Bob1934-l6d
    @Bob1934-l6d 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Something to look into is the Apache/Comanche wars. These were wars of genocide. The Apache were winning until the Spanish lost some horses and the Comanche found them. Shifted the balance of power.

    • @retri779
      @retri779 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Something that I wish people would touch on more, is how new horses were to the Comanche. It took them no time to utilize them to their full potential and skill. People forget or don't know the fact that horses were brought over by the colonizers.

  • @Crowwalker100
    @Crowwalker100 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The English bowman also had dysentery and were craping on themselves while they worked.

  • @alexanderren1097
    @alexanderren1097 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting thing about Genghis Khan, after he finished consolidating and organizing the Mongols and other steppe tribes into a cohesive fighting force, China was his second target and he spent the ENTIRE remainder of his life trying to conquer China and wasn’t ever fully successful. Kublai Khan, his grandson, was the one who finally completed the conquest of China.
    In the West, we always think of how impressive the Mongol victories were in Persia, the Middle East, and Easter Europe but for Genghis Khan we were just a side job and the Mongols never devoted their full power towards towards coming West because they were so focused on China.
    I know China ultimately did get wrecked but putting this into perspective should show just how powerful China was at that time

  • @fyremanjef
    @fyremanjef 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There was a SF guy in Macv SOG who had a buddy send home a long bow. During a gun battle he stood up on the edge of a bomb crater and let’s a few arrows fly. I can only imagine him yelling Freedom like William Wallace. Needless to say the NVA were freaked the f*ck out and ran off.

  • @Raz0rking
    @Raz0rking 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Y'all need to watch Joe Gibbs shooting with a 160lbs warbow at armour.

  • @General_Ward
    @General_Ward 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Oral traditions tell of an unheardof massive calvary battle between the Camanche and presumably other step tribes (not sure if I believe the specifics). There were probably around 20,000 horsemen fighting in it. According to the horrified writings of the frontier forts' it was carnage from horizon to horizon. Not much is covered on it because we aren't certain of the causes or effects. It seems to have heavily hampered the Comanches afterward though. And never forget about the Apaches, they fought in those rockies into the 1900's. I'm not a majority native but my heritage comes from a tribe local in the region (presumably wiped out since I can't find any today).

    • @Grynslvr2
      @Grynslvr2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The indigenous peoples were not stupid, however their math skills were more along the line of a hand of hands (25) followed by MANY. Or many many. Indefinite large numbers because, why did they need to count highter than many many? So, I am skeptical of "20,000 horsemen" in a battle. Also, how are you going to feed 20k riders and horses in the unimproved American Southwest? Further, white folks were excitable and prone to exaggeration in reporting body counts, so I discount a lot of their claims too.

  • @ASmokingGoat
    @ASmokingGoat 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You want a good bow movie, check out The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare. One dude runs around wrecking Nazi's with a bow.

  • @666Tomko
    @666Tomko 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well medieval ..Us czech we beat mongol easy knights vs mounted archers in cenral europe dont work FAAFO.

  • @michaelman957
    @michaelman957 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @AdministrativeResults check out Real Crusades History and his videos on the Momgols vs the Turks, the Poles, the Hungarians, and others. You see that Templars and Hospitallers fought Mongols in real battles. It's baller.

  • @wittsullivan8130
    @wittsullivan8130 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Colt Paterson revolver was a 5 shot, .31 caliber revolver that had no loading lever built into it like later percussion revolvers. If you wanted more shots, you had to buy your own and they were asspensive. Col. Walker was impressed at the firepower, if not the power or lack of range, so he worked with Colt and Eli Whitney, Jr. to design the 1841 "Walker" revolver for the Army, bringing Colt's Manufacturing out of bankruptcy in the process. Colt's revolvers were losing money at the time and he was literally writing checks he couldn't cash. Walker and a few other higher ups in the Army got their commemorative copy, but Walker was killed in action against the Mexicans before he was actually issued a service grade Walker. Walker's regiment ended up being the last (and third) to be issued the Walker revolver. There's a couple of long videos about the Walker on Forgotten Weapons and C&Rsenal's channels.
    Through the years after the Civil War ended, the Cavalry was armed with Spencers, musket rifles, and single shot Trapdoor Springfields in .45-70, the various Indian tribes were getting lever action Henry rifles and Spencer carbines, which were considered obsolete when the Trapdoor was issued. The traders thought selling a rifle and a few boxes of cartridges was ok, since the cartridges were single use. The Indians figured out how to reload the rimfire cartridges, casting bullets and making priming compound out of matches from trading. Several casings were recovered and are still being found at the Little Bighorn with multiple firing pin strikes on them. The improved model Henry had two firing pins, one on each side to "guarantee" the cartridge would ignite. Recovered Henry cartridges had up to 6 firing pin impressions along the edge (3 sets of 2) proving that the Indians were reloading the cartridges which were considered trash after being fired by average shooters or soldiers, just like .22 rimfire today. There is a bit of difference in a .22 and a .44 Henry, though.

  • @finalascent
    @finalascent 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A scribe following DeSoto in his travels and conquests remarked: "Before a Christian can make a single shot with either, an Indian will discharge three or four arrows; and he seldom misses of his object.’”

  • @MyLife_Chronicles
    @MyLife_Chronicles 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wait wtf I've done a 180 pound draw back bow that shit was heavy but I managed that's crazy but what's the difference between the compound between the original

  • @michaelnewswanger2409
    @michaelnewswanger2409 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dealing with horse archers isn't as difficult as folklore makes it seem. Shielded infantry with some sort of ranged weapon is almost always superior. Slings in ancient history, crossbows in medieval. The advantage of horse archers is mobility and raiding. Empires with unarmed subject populations had difficulty dealing with horse archers not because they couldn't defeat them in battle but because they couldn't stop the damage the raids would do. The successful mounted warriors would only fight battle when they held a favorable position. If they became arrogant the cavalry would often meet with disaster. When the Huns met the Romans in battle the Romans won. The mongols would often retreat from the initial battle.

  • @kaboom4679
    @kaboom4679 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Consider that that none of the " Native " Americans knew what the hell a horse was until the Spanish brought them here .,
    This makes the accomplishments of the Commanches and other tribes all the more impressive .
    If you are a fan of medieval history , check out The History squad .

    • @Grynslvr2
      @Grynslvr2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Well, yea and no. The Comanche and other indigenous people were introduced to the horse by the Spanish Conquistadors. These peoples either traded or stole horses form the Spanish, or gathered up strays as early as the 1500's. Learning to ride, and breed horses shouldn't take hundreds of years. So, by the time of the Rangers in Texas 300 years later, they damned well should have known all about horses. I mean really, they weren't stupid.

  • @nathansteinfromarkham7109
    @nathansteinfromarkham7109 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Mongols are also the (allegedly) original Orcs. Or they inspired the Orcs.

  • @zacharycrago2753
    @zacharycrago2753 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Imagine traveling back to medieval times and introducing the compound bow to archers

  • @Luchiop
    @Luchiop 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    tbh a 40 pound bow is too much IMHO for a beginer and these guys shoot 140..

  • @GadzWolf11
    @GadzWolf11 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't care if the Dothraki are based off the Comanche, the Dothraki language is far too low and guttural for them to make those sounds while charging on horseback. They should be bellowing and making the sound of charging horses sound louder.

  • @BalCleric
    @BalCleric 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's based on ole Bill Shakespeare's play Henry V not so much actual events.

  • @KenrilZ
    @KenrilZ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Genghis Khan: Reigning Mount and Blade world champion.

  • @TheKamilkrawczak
    @TheKamilkrawczak 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Check The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare for some extreme archery

  • @CaptainFrost32
    @CaptainFrost32 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One moment: MAAACHIIIICOOOOLAAAATIIIOOON!
    Response time for Shadiversity....

  • @radeksparowski7174
    @radeksparowski7174 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    amen to that, it is a fucking art to shoot strong bows, I am used to rifles hence pretty good with crossbows, those are underestimated as hell too, the speed of reload is shitty but if you hit the target it goes down, a 160lbs crossbow sith a proper bolt goes through a wild boar, anyhow check the modern archer "lars andersen" here on yt, insane tricks he does, speed and precision wise, dono how he would do though using a strong proper war bow...or how he would do with his in a middle ages fight situation...

  • @nathansteinfromarkham7109
    @nathansteinfromarkham7109 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Better than ANY history class I had in my useless college years.

  • @jerryrains7413
    @jerryrains7413 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    i think it was the colt patterson

    • @DerekIcelord
      @DerekIcelord 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was the Colt Walker. The Paterson pattern was of a smaller caliber. The Walker pistol was designed at the request of Cpt. Walker of the Texas Rangers who wanted 2 revolvers for each of his 500 men. They were 6 shots, .45 caliber sitting on top of 70 grains of black powder. Walker's specifications were specifically to take out the horses used by the Comanche.

    • @Grynslvr2
      @Grynslvr2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DerekIcelord I beg to differ. Captain Walker of the Texas Rangers was used to using the Paterson revolver against the Comanche. Texas had invested in them early and often for the Rangers. When the U.S.A. annexed Texas, Mexico got their knickers in a knot and the war was on. Capt. Walker evidently joined the U.S. Mounted Rifles with a lot of Rangers, and were issued a single shot 1842 pistol. Walker thought "oh hell NO!" and collaborated with Colt to make a "saddle" or "horse" pistol to be carried on a horse's saddle, because revolver which took a rifle charge of black powder (sixty grains) was too big for a man to carry. Hence it was a "horse" pistol. Delivery of the Walker Colt was in 1847, just in time for Walker to carry them into battle in Mexico, where he was promptly shot and died in 1847. Of 1,000 Walker Colt revolvers issued to the Rangers etc., 300 of them blew their cylinders during the war. Turns out they were rather delicate due to the inferior metallurgy of the day, as well as having a "rushed" design. Later descendants of the Walker Colt didn't use nearly the powder load and worked much better. While some held onto their Walkers, the things just didn't hold up well and were replaced fairly quickly.

  • @michaelyoung7261
    @michaelyoung7261 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Glad to see that more people understand the power of pre gunpowder archery.

  • @rayh2037
    @rayh2037 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I shoot a 55lbs long bow and there is no way to hold it at full draw like in the movies.

  • @TheGraffiti600rr
    @TheGraffiti600rr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Are they giant toothpicks or mini telephone polls? 😂

  • @crisco362
    @crisco362 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The King is based on the shakespeare version

  • @roberth8254
    @roberth8254 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tbf most of those combatants were probably damn strange, I KNOW the archers were fucking BUILT

  • @SnackPack913
    @SnackPack913 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I got a 135lb warbow thinking it would be tough to pull but doable. I could barely get it halfway lol and I’m in the gym quite a bit. Lots of technique and muscles you don’t normally train lol. Felt like a little bitch but it gave me some time to learn how to fletch arrows (which are made with 1/2” dowel rods lol they are BEASTLY)

  • @lookarabbit2888
    @lookarabbit2888 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mongolians are based.

  • @neilbodwell9172
    @neilbodwell9172 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The dothraki were inspired by both the commanche and the mongols, no doubt. The books show how both were clearly the inspiration. Like the way they ate and lived, very much like both cultures. The dothraki drank fermented mare's milk like the mongols were known for. Maybe with a touch of some horse mounted culture I'm no familiar with from the bronze age. That last bit is based on the shape of their swords. That sickle sword shape is very much a bronze age thing.

  • @pyro3446
    @pyro3446 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In China, They didn't abandon the bow so readily, still had combat vs archers and found out the bow still had a place, since gunpowder removed body armor from play for 150 years. You don't hold the pose because bow stores less power.

  • @Darth_Traitorous
    @Darth_Traitorous 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The problem I have with America waiting to use the Henry repeating rifle to get rid of the Comanche is there was a repeating musket that existed in the 1600s that was still being used until like the late 1800s you could shoot 50 musket shots in 1 minute. It is a early version of the lever and all you had to do was re-cock the gun every time and you could shoot 50 times. Also general George Washington wanted to get some of these but found out they were super expensive. I don't know why early America so 1830 or 40 America couldn't go out and buy these from the European so they can end the native Americans.

    • @Grynslvr2
      @Grynslvr2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I never heard of 50 shot musket, much less one around since the 1600's. Please let me know its name, or who used it, or where to find information on it. I always heard that multiple shot firearms were rare as hens teeth, until the invention of the percussion cap. I also heard they didn't come into their own until the invention of the metallic cartridge in the late 1800's, about 1873 or so.

    • @Darth_Traitorous
      @Darth_Traitorous 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Grynslvr2 the kalthoff repeater made by Denmark I was off by the capacity it was between 5 and 30 rounds depending on the style magazine. It was made by the Kalthoff family in 1630. The fire rate was 30 to 60 rounds a minute. If we had that in the revolutionary war we would have killed like 40,000 British guys without the aid of the French. That gun would have changed American history for the better.

    • @Grynslvr2
      @Grynslvr2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Darth_Traitorous Thanks for the information. I've been a shooter for over 50 years and it's not everyday I find out about a new-to-me firearm.
      OK, so from what I have read, there were models with 5 round magazines, 7 round magazines, and 30 round magazines. Its rate of fire was up to 60 rounds a minute. (Remember, my 1858 Remington clone cap and ball has the same rate of fire. It simply has a 6 round magazine/cylinder.)
      It was a flintlock, chambered in various calibers from .40 caliber/10 mm up to 80 caliber / 20 mm. ( a 12 gauge is about .73 caliber for comparison) The mechanism, while ingenious, was overly complicated, and had no interchangeability of parts from one gun to another. Since each was hand made, they were hideously expensive, to the point that I can only find a record of about 100 ever being issued to any military. In addition, they were prone to fouling on their best day. The addition of even a little moisture could jam them up. Again, if something broke, they needed a specialist gunsmith to repair it.
      This was not a viable option for any military endeavor. This was pretty much a rich man's plaything. So close, and yet so far from getting it right. Just to make sure you understand, the Americans simply did not have the money to buy something this expensive to use against Britain in the Revolutionary war. Texas certainly didn't have the money as an independent nation, nor as a state of the United States prior to the oil boom and the invention of mass production. This is important. The U.S. and Texas were too small, poor, and backwards at the time to buy these weapons, which weren't readily available anyway.
      The Comanche were pretty much safe from the repeating flintlock.
      Thanks again, I learned a lot today.

  • @caseymoore4759
    @caseymoore4759 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Trad archer for life! But I feel wimpy with my 45-50lb bows 😂

  • @neilbodwell9172
    @neilbodwell9172 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah. Archers were huge. Like you'd have the odd unit of a dude in the infantry, but most likely the huge dudes was the archer

  • @derekmonroe3691
    @derekmonroe3691 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fun fact: Ancient Egyptians used composite bows.

  • @luminousdonkee
    @luminousdonkee 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And The Fat

  • @bobalmond8257
    @bobalmond8257 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Dothraki were patterned after the Scythian and Hun tribes. Martin even admitted as much in an interview.

  • @stevenk5152
    @stevenk5152 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love how they try to take out everytime they say the F word, then 5 seconds later they let it be said LOL nice editing

  • @MarinaOlsgaard
    @MarinaOlsgaard 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What ever skill you got to kill them quickest

  • @TheMalootrager
    @TheMalootrager 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Aaron’s tism has been found 😈

  • @Badddieeesss
    @Badddieeesss 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Eli needs a taller chair lol ❤ you bud

  • @mikechampion1614
    @mikechampion1614 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the geeking out on history.

  • @meal_team666
    @meal_team666 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3:55 can confirm

  • @chaparacing5971
    @chaparacing5971 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Best description I read of how strong an English archer was, imagine a fully grown man lifting another fully grown man with one arm. And the lifting arm is fully extended in front of him. I don’t know if this is accurate but it gives an idea of how much power/strength and skill, was required to use on of those effectively.
    Also from memory most bowmen would start using a bow from around age 7yrs old and steadily move upwards to a full sized bow as they got older.

    • @riverraven7359
      @riverraven7359 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Have you seen the video of Eddie Hall lifting a guy at the gym as a dumbbell?

    • @SLOCLMBR
      @SLOCLMBR 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Pushing the force at full reach, not lifting or holding.. literally just lock your elbow and draw. It's pulling with the draw hand, and pushing with the bow hand.. not even close to holding the weight against gravity

  • @RickyRavioli69
    @RickyRavioli69 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Howdy yall! Thanks for the videos! Would you guys mind putting up a clip of the fat electrician explaining why the USA won the Vietnam war?

  • @celtic1842
    @celtic1842 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's called fantasy for a reason. If it was realistic the suspense of the battle would be ruined. I don't understand people who get all upset over one fantasy isn't realistic. When it's something historical that's understandable but when it's fantasy I think it's a little ridiculous to get upset.

    • @afallencheetah6610
      @afallencheetah6610 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because its his autism, he gets to pick to the tism!

    • @x808drifter
      @x808drifter 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah "The King" was totally a fantasy movie. /s