isnt it always tight tho? cause those orbs are THICCC and you have to keep extra distance to stop them exploding early (e.g. why orbs end up being very edge of towers in Ilya, to at least get one normal caster gcd off, haha)
hey, I'm a bit confused by your instructions in white starting at 1:08 . You write the goal is "Ribbon". Ok. If "Square", Tank1 swaps DPS4. Fine. If "Hourglass", Healer2 swaps DPS3 -- my issue here is that an hourglass *is* a ribbon!!!
nevermind, i see what is meant now, as per this Joonbob image i.imgur.com/hSL4Ods.png . Geometrically feels same :D For some reason, hourglass shuffling towards N/S is scarier than bowtie?
@@SoSakashii but how do you know when to make an hourglas /bow? I mean I dont see a difference in the tethers. they look all the same to me. not like in Alex or Omega
Fanatiq Art By waymarks. A is north, C is south. Because 2nd set of towers are north and south. Let say Tank n Healer both stand in the north side, if it’s hourglass, they are tethered to each other. Bc ayatori requires tethered ppl to take towers, in the 2nd set of 2 N-S towers, if tethered T and H move in to take north tower, their tether is shortened and explode bc too short. If it’s bow tie, each north person will be tethered to 2 south people, keep the tether at a safe length.
Because the people with chains must huddle up for the towers, and this means two people will be getting closer. If you're tethered to the person you get close to, the chains will break. Given the second set of towers always spawns in N/S, the people at NE and NW must not be tethered, same goes for SE/SW, and this is what gives the "ribbon" shape c:
If you get too close to the person you're tethered to, the chain breaks. The chain people are supposed to take second tower in this strat, so if it's hourglass, when the chain people take second tower, they'll be too close to their partner and the chain break.
With high SpS your casts actually finish before the bar reaches 100%. So you could also move as soon as Enochian refreshes and the cast will still finish.
Not really, if you want an uptime Strat Bowtie is honestly the way to go since melee would have 99-100% uptime. Its friendlier-ish then Ilya and almost as safe as Ilya but with greed on that you risk party wipes which is the reason why like Ilya PF's fail bcause they greed and cause wipes
I've done both of the strats. It's literally the same strat with different starting point for people who are tethered to the ball. Literally the same. I do not think a comparison should be done between bowtie strat and ayatori strat.
Okay I’ve read his comment about Ayatori. You are partially correct and wrong. Ayatori (indirectly) forces downtime due to the traverse of the orb being shorter than Bowtie uptime. To be fair though, it’s still possible to achieve 100% uptime with ayatori. However regardless of whether the people tethered with the ball gains uptime or not, the strategy of the chain remains the same. So your comment about Bowtie being nothing like Ayatori at all is invalid.
@@pakinint1024 It seems 10x riskier than xenos uptime. I've done ilya, and I've done xenos uptime and looking at this video, xenos uptime seems better in just about every way
Nah , this strat is considered the safest and uptime friendly compare to ilya's strat . One of the reason why the JP dc has a higher percentage of e8s cleared .
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This really helped me understand this whole mechanic. Thank you!
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please do it as Melee if its uptime , since it doesnt matter as range
this looks friendly on uptime but orb execution seems tight
isnt it always tight tho? cause those orbs are THICCC and you have to keep extra distance to stop them exploding early (e.g. why orbs end up being very edge of towers in Ilya, to at least get one normal caster gcd off, haha)
hey, I'm a bit confused by your instructions in white starting at 1:08 . You write the goal is "Ribbon". Ok. If "Square", Tank1 swaps DPS4. Fine. If "Hourglass", Healer2 swaps DPS3 -- my issue here is that an hourglass *is* a ribbon!!!
nevermind, i see what is meant now, as per this Joonbob image i.imgur.com/hSL4Ods.png . Geometrically feels same :D
For some reason, hourglass shuffling towards N/S is scarier than bowtie?
thanks for answering this question.
ice cream if it’s hourglass and 2 ppl move in for N/S tower tether explode bc too close
@@SoSakashii but how do you know when to make an hourglas /bow? I mean I dont see a difference in the tethers. they look all the same to me. not like in Alex or Omega
Fanatiq Art By waymarks. A is north, C is south. Because 2nd set of towers are north and south. Let say Tank n Healer both stand in the north side, if it’s hourglass, they are tethered to each other. Bc ayatori requires tethered ppl to take towers, in the 2nd set of 2 N-S towers, if tethered T and H move in to take north tower, their tether is shortened and explode bc too short.
If it’s bow tie, each north person will be tethered to 2 south people, keep the tether at a safe length.
Why do we need ribbon and not hourglass ? I dont understand the mechanic
Because the people with chains must huddle up for the towers, and this means two people will be getting closer. If you're tethered to the person you get close to, the chains will break. Given the second set of towers always spawns in N/S, the people at NE and NW must not be tethered, same goes for SE/SW, and this is what gives the "ribbon" shape c:
If you get too close to the person you're tethered to, the chain breaks. The chain people are supposed to take second tower in this strat, so if it's hourglass, when the chain people take second tower, they'll be too close to their partner and the chain break.
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How do you refresh enochian before your cast finishes?
With high SpS your casts actually finish before the bar reaches 100%. So you could also move as soon as Enochian refreshes and the cast will still finish.
it's not with high sps it's like that all the time regardless of your sps. it's called slidecasting and everybody can do it.
Can the orb be touched by another person other than yourself? And do the orb explodes if they touch one another?
They only explode if a player touches them
@@doomknight2235 the one tethered to them yes?
@@Garrett938 Anybody. It moves to the tethered player but if it comes to contact with any player it will explode
@@HolyFMoly I see thank you
Not really, if you want an uptime Strat Bowtie is honestly the way to go since melee would have 99-100% uptime. Its friendlier-ish then Ilya and almost as safe as Ilya but with greed on that you risk party wipes which is the reason why like Ilya PF's fail bcause they greed and cause wipes
I've done both of the strats. It's literally the same strat with different starting point for people who are tethered to the ball. Literally the same. I do not think a comparison should be done between bowtie strat and ayatori strat.
Xeno, the author of Bowtie even states in his comments when this comparison was made that Ayatori is nothing like Bowtie at all.
Okay I’ve read his comment about Ayatori. You are partially correct and wrong. Ayatori (indirectly) forces downtime due to the traverse of the orb being shorter than Bowtie uptime. To be fair though, it’s still possible to achieve 100% uptime with ayatori. However regardless of whether the people tethered with the ball gains uptime or not, the strategy of the chain remains the same. So your comment about Bowtie being nothing like Ayatori at all is invalid.
@@pakinint1024 It seems 10x riskier than xenos uptime. I've done ilya, and I've done xenos uptime and looking at this video, xenos uptime seems better in just about every way
@@Takkunda you are absolutely right, that's the same conclusion I came to a few months ago when xeno first came up with u]time bowtie
this is J-Hook uptime strat
Any strat the relies on camera positioning to spot is a bad strat imo. "It's an hourglass! quick 2 and 4 swap!" .... "Oh wait it was a bowtie...oops"
Nah , this strat is considered the safest and uptime friendly compare to ilya's strat . One of the reason why the JP dc has a higher percentage of e8s cleared .
mmmm....this does NOT look friendly on uptime for melee. There is a better strat out there.