FUN FACT: General Zod actor Terrence Stamp played the voyce of Jor-El in the WB/CW series SMALLVILLE, and played Supreme Chancellor Valorum in a little known independent film called THE PHANTOM MENACE.
These movies have a complicated history. Richard Donner shot Superman I and II at the same time. The producers never gave him a budget or a schedule. As it went on the relationship deteriorated. Eventually they decided to concentrate on One and move the "turning back time" sequence from the end of Two to the end of One. Originally One ended with the rocket going into space, exploding and releasing the three villains. It was a cliffhanger. They thought the world-turning would be more exciting. One came out and was a hit. But the producers decided to fire Donner and bring in Richard Lester to finish. For Lester to get sole director credit, he had to direct 51% of the movie so scenes were rewritten and reshot. Lester also put in a lot of slapstick comedy which altered the tone. The producers also chose to eliminate Brando so they didn't have to give him any more money. Two came out and was a hit. But over the years Donner fans wanted to see what his original vision would be like so they campaigned Warner Bros who eventually put up some money and they cobbled together the "Donner Cut" which is what you are watching. You end up with Brando restored and the slapstick cut out and the turn-back-time segment where it was supposed to be originally. Brando and Hackman only worked for Donner because their scenes were shot early in production. It is an interesting experiment and look at what might have been. Watch the theatrical Two and close your eyes through the slapstick. Three is okay. Four sucks. Hope this helped it make more sense.
I think it was said the '...not god...Zod' line was improv. They also changed the ending. In the original superman gives lois a 'magic kiss' that makes her forget....(no joke). Great reaction. 💯 For some reason the giant head bit reminded me of Zardoz...you should check out Zardoz with sean connery too in future 🙏👍💯❤
Please watch the theatrical cuts--those were the hit versions of these movies. The theatrical cut of Superman II is especially good and its editing and ending are a bit stronger, IMO. Supernan III was not as good but it had Richard Pryor in it and humor and Kryptonite makes a comeback. Need to watch III--one of the villains is....an evil Superman! And Chris Reeve is awesome in 3 roles--Superman, Clark and evil Superman. Later,, there is huge fight between Clark Kent and Evil Superman. It is definitely like the 60s and 70s Superman comics. BTW, great reactions!
The special effects for the original 78 film, in my opinion, where better. I saw the 78 version in the theater and we did indeed believe in the tag line that a man could fly.
The thought is that the glasses are made from the same material from his spaceship according to on idea from the comics. That is how they Can hide his identity.
The theater release is a way better version, more broad more universal. It's 85-90% Donners vision anyways. Glad you are enjoying the REAL comic book character, just how he is in the comics even today!
The biggest difference is that the "theatrical cut" did not have Marlon Brando back. The studio forced reshoots due to the amount of money Brando wanted. So he was cut from the film and instead we got to see Cal-El's mother. There were also some very silly moments including a power that was completely ridiculous where he throws the shield logo on his chest. LOL. Still very much worth watching, but I prefer the Donnor Cut.
I actually think both the Lester and Donner versions of SUPERMAN II are excellent, I think the Salkinds were some of the most inept filmmakers, and were also a bit of con artists. The way they did Richard Donner was very dirty. They expected him to film two Superman movies simultaneously, and to film them new technology had to be invented, which caused production delays and the fim to go over budget, then they paused production on the sequel to focus on the first one. Donner turns out one of the highest grossing movies, and, the best super hero movie ever made, yes, even better than the best of the MCU, and their "thanks" to him for weathering the storm they put him through and turning out an excellent movie wasto fire him, and hire a new director to finish off the sequel. Morgot Kidder had actually spoken out considerably about the Salkinds, which is why she was almost completely written out of SUPERMAN III. On one of the discs for the first movie, I think it's the special editio😅n disc, there is a three part in depth documentary on the making of the first one and partial making of the second one. Also, the Richard Lester cut of SUPERMAN II is actually equally good as the Donner cut, and is considerably different enough to be also worth watching, and probably doing a reaction on.
Glad I gave you that set! Hope you see Superman III in the near future! Not a fan of part IV though but I would also like you to react to Supergirl (1984)! 😊
Superman 4 elements are used in the Justice League animated series. The first episode has Earth getting rid of Nuclear weapons and trusting Superman which did happen in Superman 4. Nuclear man is actually a version of Bizarro. A bad version of the character though. Superman 3 tried to do a version of Brainac but that was done badly too.
@@FlixTalk Not as we know it today. Vertigo was pre-history. If you're talking about anything more complex than wire models, that doesn't happen until the 80s with Wrath of Khan in 82 and Young Sherlock Holmes in 85.
I have never seen this cut. I must tell you that the beginning is very different from and not remotely as exciting as the version I saw in a theater in 1980. You ought to have a glance at the theatrical release's beginning some time.
1. I saw this when it first came out, IMVHO it's better than the first one. 2. Lois should have fingered out Clark is Superman from the first movie. 3. Regarding Superman III, Richard Pryor (who was in it) on the Johnny Carson supposedly to promote it, said that Superman III sucked, and I agree with him. Do that one at your own risk. 4. I'm a little bummed that Valery Perine didn't get more love.😍😋😈 5. Am I the only one to think Lois is a bit of a bimbo? I guess not🙄 6. He went through all that, and only got to "hit it" so briefly.😪 7. Robin Williams 😇was Reeves' best friend and was at his bedside when he passed😇 8. The theatrical cut is better.
The Donner Cut butchered the two best scenes that give the viewer goosebumps. When he first appeared and when he began crushing Zod's hand. The music was all wrong. Totally downplayed the vibe from the original cut.
@@donaldjzthe Donner cut is the best cut. If you are saying Lester is a better director then you want more movies like Superman 3. He ruined Superman 3. He didn’t directly Superman 4 but it is still a bad movie.
Both versions have strengths and weaknesses. I think the main advantages of the Donner cut are 1) Brando and 2) the whole getting his powers back, which here is an actual scene, and a really good one.
No the Lester version isn’t as good. Lester has Superman throwing a big S and a hologram scene. The Donner cut has a second ending you should see that is on TH-cam. The ending where Lex and the Zod trio get arrested by the Arctic authorities. The new powers you see in the Lester cut of Superman 2, I take that as the Fortress giving them more powers. Remember Richard Lester directed Superman 3 and made it more comedic. Too goofy which is why I didn’t like it when
@@biguy617 Cops in the artic that seem reasonable to you ? Also Super would not want everyone to know where his fortress of solitude, The Lester version is ten times better except in the part when general Zod blows wind at the people and the all slap stick humor there that went too long
@@totomomo18 Richard Lester ruined Superman!! Look at Superman 3. That is a terrible movie!! He directed it!! Donner was going to give us Brainac and instead we get a badly done version of the character and Richard Pryor, who I do like but not in Superman 3. Richard was annoying in Superman 3. The Junkyard fight is the only thing good about Superman 3.
@@biguy617 No the Dceu ruined Superman as bad as Superman 3 (Which at least had a cool end fight and Richard Prior) and Superman 4. They are both masterpieces compared to the Zack Snyder crap
FUN FACT: General Zod actor Terrence Stamp played the voyce of Jor-El in the WB/CW series SMALLVILLE, and played Supreme Chancellor Valorum in a little known independent film called THE PHANTOM MENACE.
The Donner cut was released in 06 2 years after Christopher Reeve passed away.
These movies have a complicated history. Richard Donner shot Superman I and II at the same time. The producers never gave him a budget or a schedule. As it went on the relationship deteriorated. Eventually they decided to concentrate on One and move the "turning back time" sequence from the end of Two to the end of One. Originally One ended with the rocket going into space, exploding and releasing the three villains. It was a cliffhanger. They thought the world-turning would be more exciting.
One came out and was a hit. But the producers decided to fire Donner and bring in Richard Lester to finish. For Lester to get sole director credit, he had to direct 51% of the movie so scenes were rewritten and reshot. Lester also put in a lot of slapstick comedy which altered the tone. The producers also chose to eliminate Brando so they didn't have to give him any more money.
Two came out and was a hit.
But over the years Donner fans wanted to see what his original vision would be like so they campaigned Warner Bros who eventually put up some money and they cobbled together the "Donner Cut" which is what you are watching. You end up with Brando restored and the slapstick cut out and the turn-back-time segment where it was supposed to be originally. Brando and Hackman only worked for Donner because their scenes were shot early in production.
It is an interesting experiment and look at what might have been. Watch the theatrical Two and close your eyes through the slapstick. Three is okay. Four sucks.
Hope this helped it make more sense.
The 1980-81 Theatrical Cut that I remember and grew up with makes way more sense and is a better movie in my opinion
Awesome reaction of my favorite Superman movie!!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Thanks as i really enjoyed re-watching it again.
I think it was said the '...not god...Zod' line was improv.
They also changed the ending. In the original superman gives lois a 'magic kiss' that makes her forget....(no joke).
Great reaction. 💯
For some reason the giant head bit reminded me of Zardoz...you should check out Zardoz with sean connery too in future 🙏👍💯❤
i always liked the scene where they are kicking the astronauts around
Love your Reactions and Lives David!😊🎬📺👏🏾👍🏼🕺🏽🔥🐲💙
There is a point in the Superman animated series where Superman does tell Lois the truth but she doesn’t believe it.
Yep. He almost jokingly whispers it to her while at their disks at The Planet, her response? "You're sick, Kent".😂😂
Please watch the theatrical cuts--those were the hit versions of these movies. The theatrical cut of Superman II is especially good and its editing and ending are a bit stronger, IMO.
Supernan III was not as good but it had Richard Pryor in it and humor and Kryptonite makes a comeback.
Need to watch III--one of the villains is....an evil Superman! And Chris Reeve is awesome in 3 roles--Superman, Clark and evil Superman.
Later,, there is huge fight between Clark Kent and Evil Superman. It is definitely like the 60s and 70s Superman comics.
BTW, great reactions!
The special effects for the original 78 film, in my opinion, where better. I saw the 78 version in the theater and we did indeed believe in the tag line that a man could fly.
The thought is that the glasses are made from the same material from his spaceship according to on idea from the comics. That is how they Can hide his identity.
RIP Christopher Reeve and Margot Kidder, best Superman and best Lois Lane.
This is the extended version of Superman 2.
I prefer this cut
There is a second ending to this movie. It is on TH-cam where the Zod Trio and Lex get arrested by Arctic authorities.
The theater release is a way better version, more broad more universal.
It's 85-90% Donners vision anyways. Glad you are enjoying the REAL comic book character, just how he is in the comics even today!
I remember being in Niagara Falls as a kid when they were fiming that scene with Superman saving that kid that fell over the falls
Lex got arrested by the Arctic authorities. The deleted scene of this is on TH-cam.
Superman 2: The Richard Donner Cut is the ONLY correct version to watch, per Kryptonian Councel Decree. 🍸
The biggest difference is that the "theatrical cut" did not have Marlon Brando back. The studio forced reshoots due to the amount of money Brando wanted. So he was cut from the film and instead we got to see Cal-El's mother. There were also some very silly moments including a power that was completely ridiculous where he throws the shield logo on his chest. LOL. Still very much worth watching, but I prefer the Donnor Cut.
I actually think both the Lester and Donner versions of SUPERMAN II are excellent, I think the Salkinds were some of the most inept filmmakers, and were also a bit of con artists. The way they did Richard Donner was very dirty. They expected him to film two Superman movies simultaneously, and to film them new technology had to be invented, which caused production delays and the fim to go over budget, then they paused production on the sequel to focus on the first one. Donner turns out one of the highest grossing movies, and, the best super hero movie ever made, yes, even better than the best of the MCU, and their "thanks" to him for weathering the storm they put him through and turning out an excellent movie wasto fire him, and hire a new director to finish off the sequel. Morgot Kidder had actually spoken out considerably about the Salkinds, which is why she was almost completely written out of SUPERMAN III. On one of the discs for the first movie, I think it's the special editio😅n disc, there is a three part in depth documentary on the making of the first one and partial making of the second one. Also, the Richard Lester cut of SUPERMAN II is actually equally good as the Donner cut, and is considerably different enough to be also worth watching, and probably doing a reaction on.
The last person to ever "officially" play Superman.
CGI didn't really exist then (just FYI...effects had to mainly be photographic or manual effects)
Glad I gave you that set! Hope you see Superman III in the near future! Not a fan of part IV though but I would also like you to react to Supergirl (1984)! 😊
Superman 4 elements are used in the Justice League animated series. The first episode has Earth getting rid of Nuclear weapons and trusting Superman which did happen in Superman 4. Nuclear man is actually a version of Bizarro. A bad version of the character though. Superman 3 tried to do a version of Brainac but that was done badly too.
That's not CGI, this is NINETEEN EIGHTY.
CGI has been used in movies since the 50s.
@@FlixTalk lol very loosely defined.
@@FlixTalk What we know now as CGI was not used until the mid-80s.
@@miller-joel CGI was used in hitchcocks Vertigo. I mean , you guys wanna keep going or ??? Lol
@@FlixTalk Not as we know it today. Vertigo was pre-history. If you're talking about anything more complex than wire models, that doesn't happen until the 80s with Wrath of Khan in 82 and Young Sherlock Holmes in 85.
I watched the theatrical cut when I was 12 yo. I missed some of the parts from that cut.
Margot Kidder is not in Indiana Jones lol
I know. I mixed her up with Karen Allen. They look the same to me lol
I have never seen this cut. I must tell you that the beginning is very different from and not remotely as exciting as the version I saw in a theater in 1980. You ought to have a glance at the theatrical release's beginning some time.
1. I saw this when it first came out, IMVHO it's better than the first one.
2. Lois should have fingered out Clark is Superman from the first movie.
3. Regarding Superman III, Richard Pryor (who was in it) on the Johnny Carson supposedly to promote it, said that Superman III sucked, and I agree with him. Do that one at your own risk.
4. I'm a little bummed that Valery Perine didn't get more love.😍😋😈
5. Am I the only one to think Lois is a bit of a bimbo? I guess not🙄
6. He went through all that, and only got to "hit it" so briefly.😪
7. Robin Williams 😇was Reeves' best friend and was at his bedside when he passed😇
8. The theatrical cut is better.
this is the Donner cut. Its good and its not. meaning how they escaped is not good.
The Donner Cut butchered the two best scenes that give the viewer goosebumps. When he first appeared and when he began crushing Zod's hand. The music was all wrong. Totally downplayed the vibe from the original cut.
This cut is so weird. Not the movie I remember.
Yeah, it's fun to see but overall it's a messy cut with way too many issues. Theatrical all the way for me.
The Crappy cut
@@donaldjzthe Donner cut is the best cut. If you are saying Lester is a better director then you want more movies like Superman 3. He ruined Superman 3. He didn’t directly Superman 4 but it is still a bad movie.
I like this better than superman 2. the donner cut is different In a good way.
The ending is not so good. It's like "it was all a dream." Lame.
This is the Donner Cut. The Lester Cut isn’t as serious as this one.
I'm a fierce defender of these classic movies, but the ending of Superman 1 is inexplicably stupid.
You understand it's based on a comic book, right?
@@miller-joel That happened in the comics?
@@periechontology Lots of ridiculous things. They never obeyed the laws of physics.
WB gave had Superman turn back time. How else was Lois supposed to come back?
You watch the wrong version. This version sucks
Both versions have strengths and weaknesses. I think the main advantages of the Donner cut are 1) Brando and 2) the whole getting his powers back, which here is an actual scene, and a really good one.
No the Lester version isn’t as good. Lester has Superman throwing a big S and a hologram scene. The Donner cut has a second ending you should see that is on TH-cam. The ending where Lex and the Zod trio get arrested by the Arctic authorities. The new powers you see in the Lester cut of Superman 2, I take that as the Fortress giving them more powers. Remember Richard Lester directed Superman 3 and made it more comedic. Too goofy which is why I didn’t like it when
@@biguy617 Cops in the artic that seem reasonable to you ? Also Super would not want everyone to know where his fortress of solitude, The Lester version is ten times better except in the part when general Zod blows wind at the people and the all slap stick humor there that went too long
@@totomomo18 Richard Lester ruined Superman!! Look at Superman 3. That is a terrible movie!! He directed it!! Donner was going to give us Brainac and instead we get a badly done version of the character and Richard Pryor, who I do like but not in Superman 3. Richard was annoying in Superman 3. The Junkyard fight is the only thing good about Superman 3.
@@biguy617 No the Dceu ruined Superman as bad as Superman 3 (Which at least had a cool end fight and Richard Prior) and Superman 4. They are both masterpieces compared to the Zack Snyder crap
Great! It is very interesting to see your detailed reaction to the film Robocop 1987. This is a cool movie 🦾🤖🔥
Do you have any plans to do it?