Steven and Sue, great point and counterpoint! My granddaughter, born 2001, has been asking astrology questions of me since she was ten or so. I moved house a couple of years ago and gave her my astrology library. Greek/ Roman, Vedic, Chinese and Celtic mythology. She'll find her way through it, as she pleases. ( You can't eat the whole cow in one day).
Please, forgive my ignorance and silly question, but what do you mean? Something along the lines of: it is what it is, nothing we can do about certain things, destiny...?
It's my birthday today. It's my chiron return too. Chiron sits on my MC. I have watched all of your conversations .. and I just want to send you both so much love and appreciation, Sue and Steve.. Thank you! Mighty hugs around you both💕🌊
Chiron taught me to throw myself onto the ground and have a pity party for ten minutes. Amazing, but after many tries, I’ve never been able to pull this off for ten minutes!
In 1973 I was given a phrase that is so simple, Every day in every way I am getting better and better. And I have tried to remember to at least to think it but speeking it is truly BETTER.
I am facing my natal Mars conjunct Chiron at 8 degrees Aquarius (square my sun). Mine has to do with childhood sexual abuse from my father resulting in painful relationships with men. I looked at this many years ago and it has spiralled back now. I am also in my sixties and want to consciously embody this part of my journey. I have lots of old feelings that have never been allowed. It is safe now. The story hurts like hell but I know that I made it through. Thank you both 🙏
What a great discussion! It opened my mind to the Chironic message. The idea that our subconscious informs, undergirds or undermines our conscience mind is central to Freudian as well as Jungian psychology. I recall a Chron myth that describes Chrions pain as the rejection from both the human and animal. Both wanted him to take a side in the war but Chiron refused, opting for balance. We are being pulled apart in every which way these days... Divide and conquer! Our rebellion is to keep it together. Peace and love from the States 🙏
At my Chiron return, I won a prestigious medical school competition for community healthcare innovation, and acquired a tiny therapy horse and his best mate (also a mini therapy horse), with whom i launched a wellness program for urban children at risk for trauma, and to help mitigate adverse childhood experiences. At the time when my miniature equine facilitated therapy proposal won the competition, I had not been aware that it was coinciding with my Chiron return. What did i name my tiny healing horse? Chiron, after the wounded healer centaur. I named his best friend "Shifa," which means "healer/healing" in Arabic.
I have been seeing it for a while. I choose evolution, we need to radiate understanding to the Generation Pluto-Scorpio 1984-2000, Big Cycle progress, creating a conscious adaptation which is earned and worn therefore unleash a New Internal support system.
Had a dream last night that the morning sun moved an inch or so back and forth on the horizon and then instantly was on the other side of the planet , it was suddenly dark as night, and then it was back again. About a month ago I had two dreams on consecutive nights where the middle of the day went dark as night , instantly, and I work up both times right at that moment. I have gotten prophetic dreams my whole life , but I never really know for sure what they’re about until it happens and then I get goosebumps and know that’s what my dream was.
Hi Steve and Sue, I have Chiron in pisces in the 7th house. My biggest lesson has been through learning to love and accepting myself just as I am. After this review of my experience my life began to get better and my relationship with others improved with clear boundaries. The heartbreak of my earlier years is still with me and it's a lesson of my life, never to be a doormat or sacrifice for others too much to my detriment. Lessons of Chiron 😊
I definitely experience chiron transits & see them in my friends too. Human Design identifies certain people who are more susceptible to Chiron than others (those w 6-line profiles.) So maybe this is why Steve thinks Chiron transits "don't work."
i just turned 30 last october and i've been obsessed with astrology since i was 15. don't know how i could've gotten this far without it. barely know anyone my age who's Really into it beyond knowing their big 3. i think a lot of my peers assume it to be too "whimsical" or something, like it couldn't possibly hold any weight in the real world struggles they face. All my peers are broke, worn out, overworked, see no real future for themselves. Astrology gives me some hope but still i struggle not to cave under the pressure of oppressive systems. i pray every day for a better future. speaking of carl jung , he has the exact same jupiter-saturn trine as me. jupiter at 23 degrees libra, saturn at 23 degrees aquarius. i looked at his chart recently and my jaw dropped. what are the odds?
@@breeviewAWAKENING oh wow, i didn't know that's the uranus degree! i also have pluto at 23 degrees scorpio squaring my saturn. october 1993 babies sure do have some crazy outer planet stuff going on lol
@TauruSeason i really enjoy mbti too!! i believe i'm intp but my thinking/feeling is always like 50/50 so maybe some infp-esque traits. but when i read about intp i relate to that more as a whole.
I'm a Virgo sun and moon chiron in aries I do agree I'm happy to feel and work on my dark side, no point in denying this part of us. Good deep, bring it up and heal it. The reward is so worth it, you get a solid gold crossbow.... In which to shoot arrows of love and healing 😍😁
Thank you both for all of your videos. I deeply appreciate the insights, wisdom, and humorous frankness. It's a delight to watch them all over and over
A very interesting talk. I wanted to ask you about stationary Chiron in the birth chart, I have searched for information but I can't find anything. Thanks for sharing your knowledge ❤️
EDIT: I will not be bothering Chiron in his cave! Took your word for it; ordered the Reinhart book. 🍀 Transiting Mercury is smack on top of my natal Chiron, within a few minutes. 😳 I'd best spend the rest of my day meditating on healing.... Oh, even more so! Chiron is transiting my natal Eris!
Great job. I just wanted to know what Chiron opposite Saturn can bring because I am afraid all my health issues are linked to that but also all my alchemical solutions that have made me survive no matter how...
@@jergunsjunk the Egyptian calendar had 10 months and like, 5 blank days or festival days. I think Mya s may have had 10 months also... Check that out. Not sure. But what you observe is true... October used to be the eight month, November the ninth at one time.
The more I have welcomed my internal pain... the more I realized it's just another part of me. The gifts far outweigh the confusion and unbalance it once contained. My greatest strength has come from the trials of this part of me. It has been a difficult walk, and yet it gets easier.
Interesting.. My natal Chiron is conj my M.C in SAGITTARIUS.. For 40yrs I was a facilitator of helping clients to empower themselves on a journey of healing & developing their own Intuition. .
To me Chiron represents what Peter Deunov said "If you have two paths, choose the difficult,painful one!" Bravo, Steve! No other astrologer emphasizes the importance of Chiron like you!
Such a delight. Big thank you to you both for not only good intertainment but, more importantly, sharing your insights and wisdom drawn from life with astrology❤
At your comment about Carl Jung, Steve, I immediately sat up. I am one of those who have recently started looking into his perceptions of life. I have followed my horoscope for 60 years, and I have experienced many non-causal links previously without the definition of "synchronicity" to describe them. As an Aquarius, I track and see many advances in technology that we can use to ease the world's environmental issues. But, you are absolutely right, over the last year I have come to realise it is the personal awareness of our universal connectedness that will determine whether we overcome the challenges of a globally connected population approaching 9 billion.
Many astrologers believe Chiron to be the True Ruler of Virgo (which, as yet, remains undiscovered). The affinity lies in both being masters of healing - and herbology. Virgo is the quintessential nurse, pharmacist, botanist. In classical mythology, Chiron was said to have taught himself about the healing properties of plants, and is credited as "the father of medicine."
I have chronic at 24.45 Capricorn with my NN at 14.25 Capricorn...it is in my 3rd house which is opened by neptune at 16 pisces...I'm republishing my book now...4th is 0.04 taurus... I do heal animals...
Chrion is the ruler of the 13th sigh...ophuicus ...which is my ruler....yey...wounded healer.....the symbol is used in modern medicine... as the symbol..the healer....
Thank you to both❤ I have a strong Chiron in my chart, it is conjunct the IC in Cancer opposing Neptune conjunct my MC in Capricorn and Chiron is part of a Yod. I’m unpacking and walking at the moment in the muddy jungle of the wounds of myself and my family lineage. It’s good to learn to own every bit and piece of yourself and your background, to cultivate a strong identity so spirit can flow naturally through your body. The wounds become than your allies, just like Pluto and Saturn. I love their energies!
Thank you. My God this was great. So many gems. Yes there are times to fall pn the floor and cry out God help me. I also experience the fire getting hotter each time i have to walk through it again. And also not avoid the grief. Right now I am accompanine my so through his gealing journey. 20 years an addict. He finally wants to get clean. I know he is scared because he doesn't remember what it is like to be straight. The plan is for him to go to clinic and take ibogaine. I know the break down that hallucinagins can bring on and arising like the Phoenix afterwards, the desolving of the false self to find the true self. I will call on Chiron to emerge from his cave and aid him and me through this. I listened twice. Really what i needed to hear❤
I was 29 years old when I started studying Astrology. I would have done it in my teens but I couldn't afford the course until I was 29.. I'm 60 now. and those I knew back then that were studying Astrology were in their mid 20's... Interesting you look at it that the younger generations are inheriting the state of the world??? They are a part of co creating it too you know... The younger generations are a big part of the massive consumerism, so much so that they are the only young generation that have such a throw away attitude toward everything, of any generation throughout history!!
I am 45 libra ♎️ Been into Spirit Astrology since I was a little girl But it wasn’t until 43 that I started putting in time and effort to learn and start to following Steve and other astrologers not many ! Steve definitely caught my attention and I look forward to his videos ❤🙏 Thank you 🙏 I’m looking to take a beginners course 😊
Thank you, I needed that for my healing journey - I know I will be able to walk again and with your uplifting videos it will help, love and blessings to you both
Just love Sue and Steve together...just absolutely brilliant. Thank you both so much!
Oh thank you, Steve! A weight fell off my shoulders! "Only responsible for our own happiness."
Steven and Sue, great point and counterpoint!
My granddaughter, born 2001, has been asking astrology questions of me since she was ten or so. I moved house a couple of years ago and gave her my astrology library. Greek/ Roman, Vedic, Chinese and Celtic mythology. She'll find her way through it, as she pleases. ( You can't eat the whole cow in one day).
LOL!
I always liked the saying-Your exactly where you are suppose to be.
All pressure releases.
Please, forgive my ignorance and silly question, but what do you mean?
Something along the lines of: it is what it is, nothing we can do about certain things, destiny...?
It's my birthday today. It's my chiron return too. Chiron sits on my MC. I have watched all of your conversations .. and I just want to send you both so much love and appreciation, Sue and Steve.. Thank you! Mighty hugs around you both💕🌊
Happy Birthday from Connecticut USA
Happy Birthday from Kailua, Hawaii 💖✨🥳
Happy Birthday from
Florida 🌴🏖️🌊☀️🌊
@justinesimone5343 thank you so much. Much love to you from Ireland 💕🌊
@lehuananichai3947 thank you! Sending much love right back, from Ireland 💕🌊
And one more aphorism: Angels have wings because they take themselves lightly 💫.
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Chiron taught me to throw myself onto the ground and have a pity party for ten minutes. Amazing, but after many tries, I’ve never been able to pull this off for ten minutes!
Fascinating conversation 🙏❤️🙏THANK YOU 🎉MUCH LOVE 🤣🕊💞
In 1973 I was given a phrase that is so simple, Every day in every way I am getting better and better. And I have tried to remember to at least to think it but speeking it is truly BETTER.
Love you guys! We need hope!!! Just listening to your voices gives me that. . .xoxox!!!
Great Conversation
My favorite duo, I thank you ♒❤🇺🇸
I am facing my natal Mars conjunct Chiron at 8 degrees Aquarius (square my sun). Mine has to do with childhood sexual abuse from my father resulting in painful relationships with men. I looked at this many years ago and it has spiralled back now. I am also in my sixties and want to consciously embody this part of my journey. I have lots of old feelings that have never been allowed. It is safe now. The story hurts like hell but I know that I made it through. Thank you both 🙏
What a great discussion! It opened my mind to the Chironic message. The idea that our subconscious informs, undergirds or undermines our conscience mind is central to Freudian as well as Jungian psychology.
I recall a Chron myth that describes Chrions pain as the rejection from both the human and animal. Both wanted him to take a side in the war but Chiron refused, opting for balance.
We are being pulled apart in every which way these days... Divide and conquer!
Our rebellion is to keep it together.
Peace and love from the States 🙏
@TauruSeason then you would exhibit an imbalance. That's the point, to understand our complicated nature.
At my Chiron return, I won a prestigious medical school competition for community healthcare innovation, and acquired a tiny therapy horse and his best mate (also a mini therapy horse), with whom i launched a wellness program for urban children at risk for trauma, and to help mitigate adverse childhood experiences.
At the time when my miniature equine facilitated therapy proposal won the competition, I had not been aware that it was coinciding with my Chiron return.
What did i name my tiny healing horse? Chiron, after the wounded healer centaur. I named his best friend "Shifa," which means "healer/healing" in Arabic.
You guys are the best.
I have been seeing it for a while. I choose evolution, we need to radiate understanding to the Generation Pluto-Scorpio 1984-2000, Big Cycle progress, creating a conscious adaptation which is earned and worn therefore unleash a New Internal support system.
And I have Chiron in the 8th house 😱
I had a dream.over 30 years ago about . A centaur it was so real. It woke me up out of my sleep. Wondering what it meant earthday June 25 61❤
Had a dream last night that the morning sun moved an inch or so back and forth on the horizon and then instantly was on the other side of the planet , it was suddenly dark as night, and then it was back again.
About a month ago I had two dreams on consecutive nights where the middle of the day went dark as night , instantly, and I work up both times right at that moment. I have gotten prophetic dreams my whole life , but I never really know for sure what they’re about until it happens and then I get goosebumps and know that’s what my dream was.
Get into the mud you grumpy beings😅😅😘
Hi Steve and Sue, I have Chiron in pisces in the 7th house. My biggest lesson has been through learning to love and accepting myself just as I am. After this review of my experience my life began to get better and my relationship with others improved with clear boundaries. The heartbreak of my earlier years is still with me and it's a lesson of my life, never to be a doormat or sacrifice for others too much to my detriment. Lessons of Chiron 😊
Agree, yes 😊. Mine is in same house and sign as yours.
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1) Chiron was discovered in 1977, so 2027 is the FIRST CHIRON RETURN for humanity 😮
2) Why is nobody talking abt USA CHIRON RETURN this April?
Oooh - a very interesting point!!!
I definitely experience chiron transits & see them in my friends too. Human Design identifies certain people who are more susceptible to Chiron than others (those w 6-line profiles.) So maybe this is why Steve thinks Chiron transits "don't work."
Agree 👍🏻💯
Excellent about the journey living provides 💝💝💝🦄🦄🦄💚💚💚
Thank you both!
Thank you both!
i just turned 30 last october and i've been obsessed with astrology since i was 15. don't know how i could've gotten this far without it. barely know anyone my age who's Really into it beyond knowing their big 3. i think a lot of my peers assume it to be too "whimsical" or something, like it couldn't possibly hold any weight in the real world struggles they face. All my peers are broke, worn out, overworked, see no real future for themselves. Astrology gives me some hope but still i struggle not to cave under the pressure of oppressive systems. i pray every day for a better future.
speaking of carl jung , he has the exact same jupiter-saturn trine as me. jupiter at 23 degrees libra, saturn at 23 degrees aquarius. i looked at his chart recently and my jaw dropped. what are the odds?
Nice😊, and it is no wonder you love astrology with both of those planets at the Uranus degree. 💫
@@breeviewAWAKENING oh wow, i didn't know that's the uranus degree! i also have pluto at 23 degrees scorpio squaring my saturn. october 1993 babies sure do have some crazy outer planet stuff going on lol
@TauruSeason i really enjoy mbti too!! i believe i'm intp but my thinking/feeling is always like 50/50 so maybe some infp-esque traits. but when i read about intp i relate to that more as a whole.
Oh Steve, a crossbow!! And you have the goatee to match!! You are Chiron's apprentice.
Such an easy pair to listen to.
I'm a Virgo sun and moon chiron in aries I do agree I'm happy to feel and work on my dark side, no point in denying this part of us. Good deep, bring it up and heal it. The reward is so worth it, you get a solid gold crossbow.... In which to shoot arrows of love and healing 😍😁
Thank you both for all of your videos. I deeply appreciate the insights, wisdom, and humorous frankness. It's a delight to watch them all over and over
Great conversation, such a good vibe! 👌
My North node is in Aries. How will this affect my life? Interesting conversation, thank you!
Suggested read: "The Heavens Declare" Alice O. Howell she explains 12 & twelve well, with a Jungian perspective on the mandala (circle & pi).
Very interesting and helpful, thank you guys.
A very interesting talk. I wanted to ask you about stationary Chiron in the birth chart, I have searched for information but I can't find anything. Thanks for sharing your knowledge ❤️
Great episode. Steve's audio quality was a bit choppy and I was missing some of his words which wss a bit irritating to try to listen to.
Thank you to both of you. I do really love your deeply conversation’s.
EDIT: I will not be bothering Chiron in his cave!
Took your word for it; ordered the Reinhart book. 🍀
Transiting Mercury is smack on top of my natal Chiron, within a few minutes. 😳 I'd best spend the rest of my day meditating on healing....
Oh, even more so! Chiron is transiting my natal Eris!
Great job. I just wanted to know what Chiron opposite Saturn can bring because I am afraid all my health issues are linked to that but also all my alchemical solutions that have made me survive no matter how...
Thank you both I love these ❤Steve any chance of a collaboration with Penny Thornton in the future please ?
I’ve been pulling the Nine of Wands a lot lately in my own spreads, so this is very timely
It perplexes me how this works when there should be 13 signs. Oct, nov, dec = 8,9,10
5917 annus mundi
New year being march
Februum = purging
There were 10 months before July and August were added... Named after Julius and Augustus Caeser.
@@jerryplenda381 so how did the seasons work with 10 months ? Seems they didnt count the moon back then. So much to discover. ✌❤
@@jergunsjunk the Egyptian calendar had 10 months and like, 5 blank days or festival days. I think Mya s may have had 10 months also... Check that out. Not sure. But what you observe is true... October used to be the eight month, November the ninth at one time.
Does Sue have a TH-cam channel?
Lovely reflective chat many thanks 😊.
I feel safe in the forest, but I would not walk in the city at night alone.
folks, i am visitor nr. 7777 - i think it is essential that i watch it 🙂
Some are evolving 😊 many are regressing 😢
Pluto conjunction of Bill Gates natal Chiron right now... 0* Aquarius... As well as the current node/ Chiron conjunction.
@TauruSeason yes, to heal or hack, that is the choice we have.
I'm loving these chats Steve, thank you to you both 🙏🏻💜
Can anyone guide me to a link to the ted talk they mention in this video? Thank you!
The more I have welcomed my internal pain... the more I realized it's just another part of me. The gifts far outweigh the confusion and unbalance it once contained. My greatest strength has come from the trials of this part of me.
It has been a difficult walk, and yet it gets easier.
I love these videos and find them very interesting ❤❤❤❤
Armed astrologers are the best astrologers. 😂
Interesting.. My natal Chiron is conj my M.C in SAGITTARIUS.. For 40yrs I was a facilitator of helping clients to empower themselves on a journey of healing & developing their own Intuition. .
Astrology is a guide to understand the basics
Thank you both so much! Such a powerful message!
21:11 mins INTERESTING …
Does Sue have a youtube channel?
Another fab video. 👏Thank you both. Love the way you both have taken up a new activity with similarities 🎉
Thank you 😊
I've been training with my swords since I was 3 years old! Love to hear it Sue!
To me Chiron represents what Peter Deunov said "If you have two paths, choose the difficult,painful one!" Bravo, Steve! No other astrologer emphasizes the importance of Chiron like you!
Thank you Margaret
Really enjoy this collaboration - thank you both. 😊
Yes, my Chiron is zero degrees in 6H Libra with Neptune. Drs can never see my illnesses clearly (and I've had multiple and varied professions!)
Such a delight. Big thank you to you both for not only good intertainment but, more importantly, sharing your insights and wisdom drawn from life with astrology❤
I was stumbling around in the dark last night watering the garden 😊
Sound keeps cutting so couldn't hear all the points sadly
Love you both ❤
At your comment about Carl Jung, Steve, I immediately sat up. I am one of those who have recently started looking into his perceptions of life. I have followed my horoscope for 60 years, and I have experienced many non-causal links previously without the definition of "synchronicity" to describe them. As an Aquarius, I track and see many advances in technology that we can use to ease the world's environmental issues. But, you are absolutely right, over the last year I have come to realise it is the personal awareness of our universal connectedness that will determine whether we overcome the challenges of a globally connected population approaching 9 billion.
I thought chiron had a 50 year orbit
Chiron is in my tenth with hygia, in Aries
holy shit just looked up the cortex thing wtf. why does chiron have a strong affiliation with virgo please
Many astrologers believe Chiron to be the True Ruler of Virgo (which, as yet, remains undiscovered). The affinity lies in both being masters of healing - and herbology. Virgo is the quintessential nurse, pharmacist, botanist. In classical mythology, Chiron was said to have taught himself about the healing properties of plants, and is credited as "the father of medicine."
ive always seen gen z as a scorpionic generation by its nature.
I have chronic at 24.45 Capricorn with my NN at 14.25 Capricorn...it is in my 3rd house which is opened by neptune at 16 pisces...I'm republishing my book now...4th is 0.04 taurus... I do heal animals...
Thank you, you two🥰❤️🤲🌳Love this commentary...embrace Chirons teachings🤲🙏👍
Chrion is the ruler of the 13th sigh...ophuicus
...which is my ruler....yey...wounded healer.....the symbol is used in modern medicine... as the symbol..the healer....
Thoroughly illuminating conversation, thanks. ROFl about Chiron holding a handbag like Margaret Thatcher 😂Oh really? Hee hee!
Brilliant, in so many ways and close to the edge:))) have a good conjunction....many thanks :)
Thank you to both❤ I have a strong Chiron in my chart, it is conjunct the IC in Cancer opposing Neptune conjunct my MC in Capricorn and Chiron is part of a Yod. I’m unpacking and walking at the moment in the muddy jungle of the wounds of myself and my family lineage. It’s good to learn to own every bit and piece of yourself and your background, to cultivate a strong identity so spirit can flow naturally through your body. The wounds become than your allies, just like Pluto and Saturn. I love their energies!
Re arrows, I'm getting the family sewing machine serviced for our future😊
Thank you. My God this was great. So many gems. Yes there are times to fall pn the floor and cry out God help me. I also experience the fire getting hotter each time i have to walk through it again. And also not avoid the grief. Right now I am accompanine my so through his gealing journey. 20 years an addict. He finally wants to get clean. I know he is scared because he doesn't remember what it is like to be straight. The plan is for him to go to clinic and take ibogaine. I know the break down that hallucinagins can bring on and arising like the Phoenix afterwards, the desolving of the false self to find the true self. I will call on Chiron to emerge from his cave and aid him and me through this. I listened twice. Really what i needed to hear❤
I love how to allow yourself to process the question before responding. It reminds me of Eckhart Tolle.
I was 29 years old when I started studying Astrology. I would have done it in my teens but I couldn't afford the course until I was 29.. I'm 60 now. and those I knew back then that were studying Astrology were in their mid 20's...
Interesting you look at it that the younger generations are inheriting the state of the world??? They are a part of co creating it too you know... The younger generations are a big part of the massive consumerism, so much so that they are the only young generation that have such a throw away attitude toward everything, of any generation throughout history!!
I am 45 libra ♎️
Been into Spirit Astrology since I was a little girl
But it wasn’t until 43 that I started putting in time and effort to learn and start to following Steve and other astrologers not many !
Steve definitely caught my attention and I look forward to his videos ❤🙏
Thank you 🙏 I’m looking to take a beginners course 😊
Thank you, I needed that for my healing journey - I know I will be able to walk again and with your uplifting videos it will help, love and blessings to you both
I love your videos. You two bring good energy together. Thank you!!
Thank you soo much both! You are a unique gift to humanity!💞
I have Chiron in Aries in my 2nd 🤓 thank you both much love 💚💚
Wonderful session! Thank you❤❤❤
Brilliant. Thanks to you both xxx 😍🙏🙏🙏😊
Oh boy do I know what you mean! Thankyou both. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you so much , Sue and Steve . Love your interesting conversation full of wisdom . ❤
...and your lovely sense of humour 😄
Thanks ! Mine is conjunc with the Moon in Aquarius
"By transit, it doesn't work." - Steve Judd
That's not true.
"My transit..." he was speaking for himself, not generally.
Sag sun virgo rise cairon 7h ♓
Way over 40 here!
Love this ❤.