RANT- Albums You Hate By Bands You Love
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Join Pete Pardo and special guests Steve Keeler, Chris Alo, and Nick Franco for a round-robin revisit of the old rant favorite 'Albums You Hate By Bands You Love'.
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Pete Pardo rocks
He's one of the nicest guys I've never met
A legend by all accounts!
my fave youtuber. i respect all of his opinions
Yet here you are.
He makes you feel like family! Cry 😢 if anything happens to him!
Next topic should be the opposite: albums/songs you love by bands you hate.
That's a good one. Right off the bat I can say not a fan of Foreigner, but absolutely love Urgent!
Agree. Also would be fun songs you hate of albums you love and the other way around.
Nice one. Easy winner for me and that is Van Halen 5150. Their first album without that douchebag Dave Lee Roth and the improvement in quality shines through.
@@holydiver73 Another band which comes to mind is Guns 'n' Roses. Loved the relentless energy of their debut Appetite for Destruction. I just can't stand the rest of their catalogue. I own them all, I've tried to listen to them, but I just don't go back to those albums.
Ranjan Dutta appetite for destruction will go down as one of the best Debut Albums of all time and were it not for the existence of the debut album by Asia, could have been THE best. However, the ‘use your illusion’ albums are a bit like Tales from Topographic Oceans by Yes. Overblown, padded to hell, and more filler than a cavity wall. had GnR scaled it back to one disc and put the best of use your illusion 1 and 2 together as one disc, it could have made Appetite for Destruction look like the Shaggs, ‘philosophy of the world’. As far as the spaghetti incident the less said the better and I actually thought the would actually be democracy in China before the Chinese Democracy finally got released and then it turned out to be the biggest nothing burger in history. Good choice.
I'm glad some of these albums exist just so Chris can rant about them. Beautiful.
I love all the back and forth bantering in this! It’s so funny. Especially Steve Vs. Chris about Forbidden and Never say die and Nick vs Pete about The Final Cut
I actually really like The Final Frontier. I was not completely sold on the entire album when it first came out, but it really grew on me.
I also love the cover art for The Final Frontier. It has been the background on all my PCs and laptops for the last 10 years.
It has Adrian's best guitar work. For that alone it's worth having. But it is my least favorite Bruce album.
i don't really like the compressed guitar sound, but it doesn't really distract. it's a fantastic record. the songs could easily shave a few min of each, but the solos on this are incredible. smith is on his game on this one.
he mentioned he hates the talisman. one of my favorite songs of my favorite band.
@@cbr9914 Aren't all of their 21st century albums compressed?
Slayer - Diabolus in Musica
Megadeth - Risk
Metallica - Lulu
Testament - Demonic
Black Sabbath - Forbidden
A agree with all, but I really like "Demonic".
I liked Diabolus in Musica. It was not as good as some of their other albums, but it still sounded like Slayer. There were a few songs that they tried some different things on, but it did not ruin the album for me. God Hates Us All was the album to me that they really strayed away from their sound. Bitter Peace, Scrum, Screaming from the Sky, and Point were all awesome songs.
I agree with 3 , but Testament Demonic and Megadeth Risk. I did hate both when they both came out, but both have grown on me throughout the years.
Lulu doesn't fall under Metallica's official discography. St. Anger however....
This was one of the best Pete and company ever did. Great and entertaining show. Chris is hysterical
Steve and Chris going at it about forbidden and never say die was hilarious
I easily agree with Steve. Forbidden is leagues worse than Never Say Die lol.
Really enjoyed this. Absolutely lost it when someone said "Final Cut is Pink Floyd's suicidal black metal album!" 😂😂
is nowhere near as bad as everybody claims...... it's basically RW solo album(with better guitar solos)
@@itkojecockot My friends were way into Roger Waters. And even they did not like Final Cut and went into some pretty incredible rants about it.
They exposed me to Radio Kaos and The pros and cons of hitchhiking, etc. I really never cared for a lot of the songs on there, though a couple were outstanding and not derivative of the usual Pink Floyd sound.
I wonder if part of the issue is that was released as a Pink Floyd album but it was really Roger Waters all the way? I need to give it a listen.
EDIT: I also realize the irony of saying I don't like Roger Waters when more than one of the classic Pink Floyd albums are creations of Roger Waters with the other members contributing and/or completely following his direction.
“Hot Space” by Queen - sad...
Love that one man! 😂
That's my no 1 choice too. Even Roger Taylor says he hates it!
Hot Space is my #1 disappointing release. I was such a huge Queen fan. 19 years old when that came out and I shifted to other bands. I saw them on that tour and didn’t even like the songs live. It stopped me being a super fan.
@@kevinm5957 It nearly broke up the band.
Well at least we can all agree to disagree!! 😂
This is a great format, Pete! We love to hear about great music that we missed but it's also a public service to warn us about terrible music that could monopolize our valuable listening time.
Eye II Eye was the first I thought of. Also:
Slayer "Diabolos In Musica"
Judas Preist "Nostradomas"
Sammy Hagar - every solo album after he joined Van Halen
Van Halen "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge"
Depeche Mode "Exciter"
Funny story: when I was a wee lad I had heard of Tull, but never actually heard a song. I went to the record store and figured I'd just get the newest one, which was... Under Wraps! I got it home and was like, "WTF?!?". Next time I was in the store the guy remembered me and literally gave me a copy of Thick As A Brick. Been a fan ever since.
For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge is excellent. It's far better than Balance
Yikes, Under Wraps! Glad the story turned out better though...
I love "the final frontier"!
Lol. Yep. 🤷🏼♂️. I think there's lots of good stuff in the middle of the album.
I wouldn't say I hate it, I think it's probably a very, very good album. It's just the curse of Iron Maiden; as the greatest metal band of all, they are held to a different standard. The people who deride No Prayer for the Dying and Fear of the Dark would probably hail those albums as all-time greats if they had been produced by some little known British band. Same with the Blaze albums; are they actually bad? I personally think it's only the looming shadow of Somewhere in Time, Powerslave, Killers, etc., that makes it seem that way because we inevitably compare them.
Has some great songs in the second half like The Talisman, Starblind and The Man Who Would Be King. I thought it was a step up from Matter Of Life And Death.
Me too! I'm a huge fan of AMOLAD. Theres a different feel to Final Frontier though. It's just a more interesting listen. Imo
@@joejohnson-vv6ip me too joe🤘🏻
i died laughing when steve said 'There's Peter Cetera' 😂 - Pete's right it looks like a Bee Gees album cover!
I'm not very familiar with ELP. So I swear I'm not lying when I legitimately thought he was going to present his least favorite BeeGees album.
Thank you guys for your Rant - Albums you Hate from Bands you Love!!🎤🎸🎵🥁
Hipgnosis did a superb job on Never Say Die. Looks like the masked pilots are preparing for some apocalyptic end of days battle. So evocative.
Chris Alo is awesome, but man I love the Never Say Die album! And his hatred of Nostradamus is just legendary.
This show was a lot of fun. I look forward to another one. How about a show highlighting surprisingly good/ great albums from otherwise mediocre/ lame bands? It would likely make for a short but entertaining broadcast. Nice job! 🤟
Literally listened to 'Never Say Die' last night. Love that album haha
I love it too.
never say die is not that bad its very enjoyable but the only song i skip is Breakout
I love Airdance and Shockwave. The title track, Johnny Blade and especially, Junior’s Eyes, are great. The band was trying to do something different instead of the same old four-chord dirges and while I love their early records, I appreciated their sense of progressive experimentation, even at the expense of the heaviness. Having said that, Heaven & Hell was perhaps the best example of a band redeeming themselves after a sub-par record by releasing a stone cold, evergreen masterpiece. Other examples of that would be Savatage’s Hall of the Mountain King following Fight For The Rock and Priest’s Painkiller following Ram It Down.
NSD doesn’t compare to the first five but it’s still very listenable and enjoyable. Def better than Technical Ecstasy IMO
The 1st side of Never Say Die is absolutely killer.
"Swinging the Chain" from Never Say Die still fires me up. That tune rocks. Never Say Die is worthy. 🤘
I don't really like "Never Say Die" but to me, it is much better than "Technical Ecstacy", an album that most fans seem to vastly prefer.
Swinging The Chain had Bill Ward on vocals, as Ozzy was far too drunk to sing.
According to KK's autobiography I just read, he loved 'Nostradamus' and wanted to do a huge touring stage show to promote it and play it in it's entirety.
Just came here to post, I genuinely love NEVER SAY DIE. And TECHNICAL ECSTASY for that matter.
I’m with you on that one
How
Thank the Sabbath for these two albums
I've Always loved them
Even other hardcore Sabbath fans are lukewarm towards them
I still don't know why
@@JohnDoe-rr1fz They're GREEEEAAAAT
@John Crawford and Never Say Die
Love this format...gotta do it again. Your guys hit a home run for you on this one....love it
Samael's "Passage" mentioned as brilliant? I am extremely IMPRESSED! A fantastic RANT!
I thought pete would pick "Hot Space" by Queen, but great video!
Same here, it would certainly be up there for me.
Yeah. It had the one legendary track on it that saves it from total extinction, and of course that's "Under Pressure." Other than that, though, the album's a waste of space.
@@bobthebear1246 even Brian and Roger have talked about their dislike for the album, especially Roger hates the whole gay nightclub sound to it.
@@alexjohnston8889 you could say it was a freddie mercury solo album cause he was the only one who was really into it he visited those places frequently by that time
Metallica: St. Anger
Black Sabbath: Never Say Die
W.A.S.P.: Kill Fuck Die
Pink Floyd: The Final Cut
Never Say Die is fantastic next to that pile of shit covered puke called 13. And I like St. Anger.
With St. Anger, I edited and finished some of the Presidio demos, and trimmed down some of the tracks (Dirty Window, Invisible Kid, My World, Purify and All Within My Hands were a complete mess), using versions without the awful snare drum and better guitars (thanks to TH-cam) for a far superior 90 minute double album.
Looking at the Budgie logo on Pete's t-shirt, Roger Dean did some phenomenal band logos. They just don't age. Enjoyed this vid.
Pete, I'm British and agree that The Final Cut is pants. I'm also with you that Animals is their finest work. Most people I know don't like The Final Cut.
I've known some huge American PF fans, who had all the solo albums as well as the band catalog. And indeed, none of them like Final Cut...at all.
Jesus, Chris. Not even Pete hates Never Say Die that much!
love classic Sabbath, but Never Say Die was a very cool album though a departure. yes it has some bad spots yes but listening to Air Dance and Over to You right now.. bad ass... the piano during the main part of the songs sends shivers.. the outro jam on Air Dance is bad ass. Over to you is way cool bad ass guitar riffs, Never Say Die and Hard Road are also great songs..
@@RichusRkr The great Don Airey on the keyboards.
@@RichusRkr I love Air Dance. Shockwave is vintage Iommi. The problem is the brash, trebly recording. If those songs were recorded, mixed and mastered like Heaven and Hell, they would be kick ass.
Rush - Test for Echo
Van Halen - Balance
Iron Maiden - No Prayer for the Dying
Beatles For Sale
Deep Purple - Abandon (I've just done it).
Focus - 1985
Genesis - Calling All Stations
Nazareth - Sound Elixir
Queen - Hot Space
Renaissance - Time Line
Supertramp - Free As A Bird
Yes - Heaven and Earth
I'm actually I fan of Beatles For Sale! I like the performances and some gems like Eight Days A Week are good.
Abandon is the last heavy Purple LP with great stuff on it (bananas had also good moments on)
@@yoiamhere4737 Hi! I appreciate a lot more the second half of their discography. And the red collection 1962-1966 has all the songs I like from the first half.
@@zeelias_zezito65 Yes I agree about the second half! Revolver and Sgt Pepper are amazing
@@laurenzgraffilpenstein8117 Hi! That's why music is one of the best things in the world. There's stuff for each and every one! For me, ABANDON was a disappointment since the first time I've listened to, and I tried some other times but... I consider NOW WHAT the best DP album from the Morse era.
So good to see you wearing a Budgie T-shirt. The 3-piece to beat all 3-pieces, particularly the 1st 5 albums.
Equator by Uriah Heep
Eye II Eye by Scorpions
Ram It Down by Judas Priest
St. Anger by Metallica
Risk by Megadeth
Endless Wire by The Who
Cut The Crap by The Clash
Cinema by Nazareth
Little Miss Dangerous by Ted Nugent
Dada by Alice Cooper
Forbidden by Black Sabbath
Spot on list. Really glad to see (topping your list) the abomination that is Equator. Man, I can still remember picking that one up on vinyl back in '85 and wondering what had happened to my favorite band.
Cut the crap is a good choose.. It's ugly. Only This is England is a better tune
St. Anger makes Load and Reload sound like masterpieces.
I’m one of the weirdos that love Pink Floyd’s The Final Cut!
I frickin' love The Final Cut!! Not Now John, Southampton Dock, Fletcher Memorial Home.....a great album, even if it is a Waters solo album.
It’s boring and pretentious, and I actually quite like Waters
Final cut is a fantastic album the guitar licks are excellent
@@charlesgay2391 Sure, but pretentious can still be enjoyable. And boring is just subjective, as are all opinions.
I love every second of The Final Cut and I can only say that about two or three albums. The only track I ever used to skip was Two Sunsets as Not Now John always felt like the end of the album. But then Waters went and released that version during lockdown and made me realise it was arguably the best song on the album.
I loved Def Leppard. On Through The Night, High 'N Dry and Pyromania were all fantastic albums from start to finish. And then they released Hysteria. It was over produced and had every edge polished away. I always thought of it as a rock album for people who don't really like rock music. It made me hate Def Leppard and I never bought another album of theirs.
How true. They ve lost their NWoBHM style of sound ("Wasted" for example) and get real pop Air hair, uninspired boring polished, and they are not deep.
Agreed. The first two are awesome. Especially High 'N' Dry!!
Russ Davies I'll take Hysteria over the crappy and overrated Adrenalize any time (which includes their 2 WORST singles, Let's Get Rocked and Make Love Like A Man. WTF were they thinking??).
The one Def Leppard song I hate the most seems to be the most played on the radio now - "Pour Some Sugar On Me" - YUCK!
@@ArizonaBasement yes that and when love and hate collide
Hi Pete, I'm Carlos from Argentina ... great shows ... maybe "original mixes vs remastered editions" ... classic albums ... which one sounds better? ... greets from Tucuman, Argentina ...
That doesn't make any sense. A remastered version of an album still has the original mixes. One thing is a mastered version vs a remastered version, or maybe an original mixes version vs a remixed version. After all, the (re)mastering of an album has nothing to do with the mixing of the same.
@@angusiha Very good hangus ... it was just an idea ... a bad one for you obviously ... don't take it so bad please ... I hope you have a nice day ... Carlos ...
Pete, great chat with your friends, very entertaining - reminds me of all the nights I stayed up shooting the music bull with my old friends. Great show 👍
All Iron Maiden after - Powerslave
All Metallica after - Master of Puppets
Judas Priest -Turbo ( too obvious )
Jimmy page - Outrider
Frank Zappa - Thingfish
Van Halen - Diver Down
All Aerosmith since 1980
All Rush after - Signals
Everything KISS ever released!!! Oh Yes I Did!!!
Everything King Diamond sings
Led Zeppelin - Coda
All of Bill Cosby's Comedy albums .( there just not the same now) !!!!
ZZ Top - Afterburner
Dude- you were so close to absolutely nailing it! Alas, while Signals isn't on par with the 3 or 5 immediately preceding it, it ain't so bad (as I try to shield Red Lenses from being seen so as to prove my point). Interesting point about Cosby: I heard many of his albums many times but not in a long time.
All Iron Maiden after Iron Maiden
Outrider was a good cure for insomnia.
A whole series of albums from my favorite artists in college let me down. I know a lot of people like it, but I never enjoyed Nirvana's "In Utero." I liked 3 tracks, but after listening to Nevermind and Incesticide so much, In Utero didn't cut it for me. Then, REM's "Monster." Elvis Costello's "Kojak Variety." The Stone Roses' "Second Coming." U2's "Pop." I didn't know what was happening in music anymore.
Sabbath Never Say Die is BRILLIANT.....JR'S EYES IS AMAZING
Love juniors eyes!
I knew I was going to enjoy this video when I saw Love Beach in the thumbnail. I was not disappointed, which is more that I can say about the subjects contained within the video. Let me add my own recollections to yours:
When I got Final Frontier, I thought "wait, I must be missing something". After playing it again, I decided that the reason I was missing something was that it was never there. I had to go online to confirm that it was actually Maiden, I thought somebody had made some horrible manufacturing error. The only error was that they manufactured it in the first place. Probably the worst dollar I ever spent at a thrift store, which is a hell of a statement given my thrift store history.
I was unemployed when Love Beach came out, and two days after release I found it at a used record store for 99 cents. I thought I'd scored - until I got it home. I'd wasted a dollar I really couldn't spare, and when I sold it back to the store I only got 32 cents. THAT'S when I scored, because that polyvinyl turd wasn't even worth that. For some teenaged reason, my little sister loved "Canario", so I guess it rates one smile (from her, not from me).
I took a girl I was dating to see Tull on the Under Wraps tour, Thanksgiving Day 1984. She'd never been to any kind of modern music concert; she was a viola player, so go figure. Afterwards, the only thing she had to say about her first concert was "loud". About three-quarters of the way through the show, Ian Anderson's voice went completely out, and it's never sounded the same. I never could've imagined having such an awful time at a Tull show. Turns out I was wrong. The relationship didn't last until Christmas, so hey, I didn't have to buy her a present. Upside !
Never Say Die is my least favorite Sabbath album, possibly because I've never heard Forbidden. In fact, I don't remember ever hearing OF Forbidden. Oh, how the mighty had fallen. If I were to make a "what were they thinking?" t-shirt, it would show the cover of Never Say Die. I only bought one copy, and the tape player in my van ate it. It gave my Sony indigestion.
One of my friends threw a kegger the week that Final Cut came out. A lot of people left when he put it on, so more beer for us. Yay. The only moment of appreciation I ever had for any of the songs was when Roger Waters played "Not Now John" on the Radio K.A.O.S. tour - that was an excellent show, so as part of the show that song gets a pass.
I also saw Priest on the Nostradamus tour, but I didn't buy the album. I borrowed the CD from the library and burned a copy. I think I played it once, and I didn't even make it all the way through. It's still around here somewhere, but I'm not going looking for it.
Even the library didn't buy a copy of Open Your Eyes. I guess that somewhere along the line, somebody did.
I'm not familiar with the other albums mentioned. Thanks for telling me I shouldn't bother. You've performed a vital public service to your fellow citizens. Again, yay.
Queen "Hot Space" ,Rush "Hold Your Fire" ,Pink Floyd "The Final Cut" ,Megadeth "Risk" ,Priest "Turbo" ,UFO "Misdemeanor".....
I really love Hold Your Fire!
Risk is one of the first that I think of
The Grand Wazoo me too, great album... thought it wouldn’t be that good, but was surprised. Turn the page is a greeaaaatttt song. Tai chi or what ever it’s called, my wife likes it.
I think that Hold Your Fire suffers from bad production . It sounds too polished , with not enough edge to the songs. I like a lot of the songs on the album . If it was produced so that the sound was more like 2112 or Moving Pictures , it would have come across a lot better.
My three cancer albums from the bands I love:
Demolition - Judas Priest - the most boring metal album ever released.
Calling All Stations - Genesis - the most boring rock album ever released!
Gods of War - Manowar - an album without songs! WOW!
Ah man...I really like “Calling All Stations” Lol
Manowar was super lazy with that one.
Demolition had one great song - Lost and Found. The rest sucks.
Demolition needed to be cut down by a third (Priest crammed 70½ minutes into a 45-50 minute album), while Calling All Stations was a mess (I did quite a bit of work on my MP3 collection to make this a decent album).
Also, Jugulator had Priest cram 58½ minutes into a 35-45 minute album.
Never Say Die isn't my favorite but I've never understood the absolute HATE for it..? It isn't that bad? I don't get it.
I don't get it either. I like it a lot.
I love The Final Cut. He must be thinking of Not Now John. It's the only uptempo, Gilmour song on it.
Pete should've remembered that considering he listened to it earlier that day and Gilmour is literally yelling "NOT NOW JOHN!"
Final Frontier is my second favorite "reunion era" Maiden album (after Brave New World). It's the most adventurous, but still classic sounding modern Maiden album. The Alchemist, and Starblind really demonstrate this.
I was at that show in Dallas he's talking about.
Totally agree. TFF is one of the best reunion-era Maiden albums. I'd also name Isle Of Avalon and Mother Of Mercy as some of the greatest Maiden songs they have ever written.
I respect your opinion but for me it's a total snoozefest. Someone please tell Steve Harris to start editing songs!
It is a great album.
I love Dance of Death. Might be my third favourite Maiden album ever (after NOTB and SSOASS). Every track stands out.
I don’t hate it. But Clutch’s newer album Book of Bad Decisions I just can’t get into. I tried and tried .. but it’s boring. I’ll try again just to make sure. Also, the 90’s girl in me wants to say that anything after Scarlet’s Walk Tori Amos isn’t good at all.
I agree and Scarlet’s Walk is my favorite Tori album.
Nostradamus RULES!!!!!!!
Persecution is one Judas Priest heaviest songs.... the title track Nostradamus kicks ass too!!!
There are lots of good songs on what is probably an over-inflated record in Nostradamus.
Totally agree with Open Your Eyes and Under Wraps, but I do like Never Say Die and The Final Cut
final cut is a good record , and brave enough to be meaningful , especially here in the uk.
Thatcher is a hate figure for many in the UK. Americans forget this. Roger feels the same way about Bush [ Amused to Death ] and now Trump. He's not too keen on Rock Stars [ The Wall ], Managers [ Have a Cigar ] Conspicuous consumption [ Money ] or Mary Whitehouse [ Pigs: 3 Different Ones ]. It's Roger's world - we just live in it.
I love The Final Cut.
This was an absolute blast! I laughed my ASS off!!!!
The one album I don't like from a band I do like is The Astonishing by Dream Theater. That's the one that immediately comes to mind. Not much else I can think of.
Albums I *should* hate, but don't:
Queen - Hot Space (Never a top favorite, but I never hated it. In fact, I actually like it.)
Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Love Beach (My least favorite ELP album. I sense their hearts were not fully in this, as there is not the usual fire or passion - it was purely done to fulfill their contract - but I don't hate it.)
Megadeth - Risk (Great hooks on many of these tunes.)
Pink Floyd - The Final Cut (Didn't care much about it for years, but that's since changed thanks to a video by a kind gentleman.)
Rush - Hold Your Fire (Always loved this. Nuff said.)
If you don't see the beauty of the song: 'Two suns in the sunset' of Pink Floyd's The final Cut (which is more a solo album by Roger Waters I must admit) you will never get if.
Not Now John and Paranoid Eyes also vgood.
I actually loved the entire album. Good to listen to when driving late night (road trip wise)
I too really loved the final cut even though must people bitch about it
"The Final Frontier" from Iron Maiden is not bad although many songs are way too long. "Virtual XI" is real bad because of the production and the "lowlight" "The Angel and the Gambler".
"Never Say Die" from Sabbath is a great release. And it's better than "Technical Ecstasy". The B-side is a little but weird. But I like that stuff.
"St. Anger" is a real stinker. Lars Ulrich playing with cooking pots. Horrible.
Hearts song Crazy on you could have been cut by a minute, or so and still would have been a great rock tune . I know what you're say about the song being to long .
St. Anger is absolutely dreadful.
@@blacksabbath1022 I edited and finished some of the Presidio demos, and trimmed down Dirty Window, Shoot Me Again, Invisible Kid, My World, Purify and All Within My Hands - fortunately, I had found versions with the busted snare and guitars fixed on TH-cam.
I love Nostradamus. Very different spin on the Judas Priest sound, Halford's voice works well with some more gentle tracks (Lost Love is beautiful), and some tracks are fucking incredible! Just check out Alone, Prophecy, Pestilence and Plague, Revelations, or Future of Mankind!
I really like “Nostradamus” too. I guess I haven’t gotten to the part where someone puts it up. It’s really atmospheric, and moving and everybody sounds great on it.
It seems like Nostradamus is a hate or love album. A total metal opera. I get you’re supposed to listen to it in its entirety, but I don’t want to. I pretty much hate it.
Halfords voice was outstanding, fitting the whole atmosphere and his opening to the title track was pretty awesome. But I’m the end, I just don’t want to hear it. I want the other Judas Priest sounds (well except for Turbo stuff and the damn drum machine on Ram it Down). I don’t want that kind of concept album. Just boring.
I have nothing to say about _Love Beach_ . I had my uncle pick it up for me when it first came out. I thought he picked out the wrong LP when I saw the cover. Then I listened to it. I've rarely listened to it since.
The Final Cut is brilliant (although it's admittedly a Roger Waters solo album).
"admittedly a Roger Waters solo album" .....not anymore than The Wall was [which he wrote in it's entirety].
Well Roger was the leader of the band. It has less input from the others but not really a solo record.
Electric Light Orchestra- Discovery. IMHO, they bounced back with "Time." You guys are right that Queensryche had a bunch of stinkers after "Empire." I was sooo disappointed with them!
Well I'm glad to see someone likes Sabbath's never say day, I really like it.
Johnny Blade, A Hard Road, Never Say Die all rule.
I love the sax solo!
I love it.
I really love In Flames, and I actually really like Soundtrack to Your Escape. Obviously their sound was changing with each progressive album at that point. To my ears the wheels really didn’t come off for me for a few more albums until 2011s “Sounds of a Playground Fading” which was the first album without Jesper on guitar. He was really the glue that held those 2000s albums together for In Flames in my opinion.
Spinal Tap - We Are The Flower Children
I just feel it’s so different from everything they had done and would later be known for. Just a total cash grab for the whole hippy movement, ya know?
@@billcarsonalias Shit Sandwich
Should have been more like the Folksmen LOL
Ha! Love it!
@@independenceltd. Who said that? They can't print that!
Wonderful show, one of your best. Really enjoyed the banter between the very knowledgeable group.
I disagree about The final frontier. It's one of their better albums. When the wild wind blows is one of their best tracks IMO.
I agree with you, it is such a great album.
And 'The Alchemist' 😎👌
Agreed. "Isles Of Avalon" and "Starblind" are both top-25 Iron Maiden songs, in my humble opinion................
'The Final Frontier' is my absolute least favourite Maiden album. I also agree that In Flames went downhill after the excellent 'Clayman' album. The problem with In Flames is that they used boring nu-metal style guitars afterwards, they changed to a new metal-core logo and they abandoned those awesome lead guitars of old.
The Final Cut is awesome
I like that album.
That’s a Roger Waters solo album
richbillionair It is, but the so is The Wall, a much better album. Yeah, Final Cut is very good, but not an easy listen.
@@richbillionair That's what I've always thought.
Once again, agree.
It must be something wrong with me, but I like Under Wraps. Not all songs, but that goes for every Tull album after Heavy Horses. I was into Synth when I came across it, so I had no problems with the sound.
Great show! Never thought I would laugh so much and so hard watching a SoT show. But from the start with Steve’s “dental chair music” comment, the laughs continued. This is a Gang of Four that I would love to sit with and share a beer and swap stories. Glad to hear you plan on another show with the same four. Looking forward to that. Great job as Ringmaster, Pete! And my list would include Metal Machine Music by Lou Reed and Victim of Love by Elton John.
I know a guy who thinks Metal Machine Music is Lou Reed's best album! lol ... I can't stand it, and I'm not somebody who hates noise-rock (in fact, I love noise-rock) but that album is so aimless. It's like he was trying to make a bad album... and he succeeded! lol
Lou Reed intentionally set out to make an album everybody HATED! He succeeded! (He even had the hutzpah to ask RCA to release it on their Classical Music sub-label!)
I agree wholeheartedly about Metal Machine Music. I love The Velvet Underground, but I was never the biggest fan of Lou Reed's solo stuff to begin with, so I couldn't list it.
I hardly ever talk like this, but I can say in all seriousness: I listen to many things that drive most people up the walls. But Metal Machine Music is quite possibly the worst album I've ever heard. It isn't even worth sitting through the entire thing (which I haven't). It's an utterly worthless piece of shit. Seriously.
Very entertaining chat ! It is true that when we love a band we try so hard to like albums that are not as good by playing over and over and desperately trying to get them haha Been a few I have done this with before reluctantly giving up and admitting that yeah, the album is just not for me. Mine to add to this chat would be 'Long road out of Eden' by the Eagles. I tried so hard and still do sometimes but not happening for me! PS I like 'Never say die' and think that the title track really rocks!!
I know DAVID LEE ROTH has two camps! Either people love him or people think he’s a clown and hate him. I get it ! I actually love him / but his 2003 album DIAMOND 💎 DAVE / I’ve tried numerous times / but it’s horrific IMO !! Still think he was unreal with VH/ still love him.
There are one or two good songs on there, but it's pretty terrible.
David lee Roth is one of the most overrated rockers ever
I don't hate it but it isn't great. DLR band rocked.
A wildly entertaining show guys! Thank you. Pete, you 70’s dudes always seem to have an issue when the heavy RAWK guitar takes a back seat on albums. I noticed it with Rush also (I adore 80’s Rush) but with The Final Cut if you don’t love ‘Nobody Home’ or ‘Don’t Leave Me Now’ from The Wall then TFC was never gonna be your style. I can’t stand MLOR or Division Bell (mostly) as they don’t sound like Floyd to me, The Final Cut is moody and lyrically brilliant, but I totally get why it’s not your fave. The Endless River I rate higher than all 3 I mentioned there, it’s a very Floyd record worth revisiting in my opinion.
For those watching in the UK. Top left hand corner: Harry Hill?
I dont think he really looks like Harry Hill 😀 Btw I think Nick Franco (The guy with Ancient Rites tshirt) looks like John Bush from Armored Saint.
Looks more like garth ..waynes world
Mardi Gras (CCR) Risk (Megadeth) Just Push Play (Aerosmith)
Never Say Die rules
Yep. So does Technical Ecstasy which a lot of people hate too.
Love the title track, Johnny Blade and Junior's Eyes. The rest of the tracks are, for me, totally forgottable.
I like em both too. They’re not sabotage or vol 4, but they’re not shit.
Never Say Die has some great songs on it, not a bad album.... just a strange album.
I love it, it came out when I was in High School so it had an influence on me.
Oh and I like the shirt Pete!
The astonishing by dream theater
It's not even their worst album. Black clouds & Silver linings has The Count of Tuscany which is their worst song easily.
@@Rekko82 are you high lol
@@solarwinds5114 Stop trolling, kid!
@@Rekko82 I think you're the one trolling here
@@solarwinds5114 No, I am not. I said my opinion and you just came with insults!
Love Beach by my favourite band ELP is a very good choice! I still remember the embarrassment of buying that at the record store. The cover has been described as like they've just washed up on a desert island looking for a Bee Gees fancy dress party.
I found an alternate cover someone designed, and ditched the title track (there was no instrumental), replaced Taste Of My Love and For You with rehearsal versions and The Gambler with an alternate mix, and cut 30 seconds off All I Want Is You.
Never say die is not that bad
It's a different album but not a bad one. Definitely better than Technical Ecstasy.
I like the sax solo !
It's really great.
Never Say Die AND Technical Ecstasy are both great albums. Not as epic as the first six, but damn good.
Love "Never Say Die!" It's up there with "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" for my favourite.
Ambrosia - 180
Queen - Hot Space
Renaissance- camera camera
Yeah what happened to Renaissance in the 80’s? Same with the best UK bands in the 70’s for that matter.
Here’s a contender: Crimson Glory - Strange & Beautiful. After the brilliance of the debut and, especially, Transcendence, they completely changed their style and released a total bomb. And I mean bomb in the traditional sense, meaning a steaming pile of dog shit.
If you have to choose the weakest Sabbath album: Forbidden wins by a mile.
Wrong. 13 is.
I just bought Love Beach on vinyl for $1 on Friday. I figured why not. It was in good shape.
Never Say Die is a superb album....
Agree!
Tremendous show / during a major storm here in NJ. Much enjoyed !!&
It's rare that a band is great and in the middle of a run, then put out a bad album. Usually, they just go dry. Case in point -- Maiden, Queen, Grand Funk, Zeppelin, Yes, ELP, Elvis Costello, Metallica - all amazing, but all ran out of stream. To me.
I don't think Maiden have ever run out of steam. First they ran out of Adrian Smith and then they ran out of Bruce!
The Final cut (even admitted to by David G) is essentially a Waters solo lp.Ive loved it ,in the past but it is what it is.
The first three that came to me:
Aerosmith - Get a Grip
Scorpions - Love at First Sting
WASP - Inside the Electric Circus
All of those caused me to stop buying albums from that band. (I did go back to WASP after 13 yrs. and have picked up some of the albums I skipped over initially.)
Never really been big on WASP thought they were all right in my teen years but i try to listen to them now and i just can't get into them. Same with scorpion and other bands like kiss great when you listen to them as a kid not so great now when you listen to them in your mid 30's.
I didn't like Circus a lot at the time but it holds up pretty well IMO. I don't like much of sober Aerosmith. Let The Music was the best of their reunion slbums, and Pump had a few moments, but they used outside writers far too much. Their blues slbum is surprisingly good though.
Well we certainly don't agree with the Aerosmith or Scorpions picks at all but to each their own.
Get A Grip is a pretty killer album. Eat The Rich,Livin On The Edge, Flesh,Title Track,Fever,Walk On Down. I don't hate Crazy, Cryin and Amazing either. Pump is definitely the superior comback era album though.
Listen to Forbidden again. The only reason people dont like it is because they heard someone say it sucks. Why? because Ice T sings on it. "Get a Grip" is one one of the heaviest songs of the decade and has an intense and fantastic music video. The players on it are flawless. Cozy Powell and Tony Iommi together is a force and its heavy. This album has more heart than Dehumanizer and Tony Martin should get a lot more respect.
Metallica - The Black Album
Jethro Tull - Under Wraps (I picked this before I saw Pete did in the video lol)
Alice Cooper - Trash
Also I LOVE NEVER SAY DIE AND THE FINAL CUT!
Never Say Die is better than Technical Ecstasy and The FInal Cut is better than The Wall!
Pete - here's why I like Final Cut.
The Wall is two albums worth of Roger Waters bitching about how hard it is to be a rock star.
The Final Cut is one succinct album about Roger's rage about his father dying in WW2. I found The Final Cut right at the time Bush Sr. started the first war in Iraq in the early 90s. Thematically, it clicked in a way The Wall never could because it was the right place/time and I couldn't identify with being a rock star as a young teen. I get it's not for everyone but that's why I like it.
Funny story: when I was a wee lad I had heard of Tull, but never actually heard a song. I went to the record store and figured I'd just get the newest one, which was... Under Wraps! I got it home and was like, "WTF?!?". Next time I was in the store the guy remembered me and literally gave me a copy of Thick As A Brick. Been a fan ever since.
+1 for Never Say Die. Not nearly the best sabbath album, not even close, but has some really good moments among the duds: good: Never Say Die, Juniors Eyes, A Hard Road Air Dance and Over To You. The last 2 among the most creative pieces that sabbath has ever done.
I’m a huge fan and I totaly respect your opinion, but I’ll never really get your hated for Final Cut. I’m American and only slightly firmilier with the Thatcher era of UK at the time, but not only would I say it’s good, might be my third best behind Wish You Were Here and Dark Side. The album was depressing, but most popular Floyd albums were. Wish You Were Here was literally about how their former band mate was withering away into a hollow husk and the record label Kelly screwing them over. For me, it’s the orchestral elaments is songs like the opener and Fletchers Memorial Home that make it stand out the most, as well as the balls out heavy Not Now John. Again, my friend and I both love your work, and maybe you see something I don’t l, but I can’t understand the hate.
"The Final Cut" is lacking Rick Wright's piano. In the same vein all albums following TFC are lacking Roger Waters' bass. "The Wall" was the last hurrah of the mighty Pink Floyd.
Boston - Corporate America could make this list.
That was my first choice also.
God Bless you. So agreed.
Totally agree, love Walk On and even like a good chunk of Life Love and Hope but man, Corporate America is a real stinker.
Aside from the turgid material on that one, the synthesised drum sounds preferred by known perfectionist Tom Scholz continue to baffle me.
Couple songs I liked on that album. But yes, for the most part and the majority of that album is complete trash. Why do we care to hear Fran Cosmos stupid kid sing a song on a Boston album?
3:39 I had a similar reaction to The Final Frontier. I think the last song Where the wild wind blows is great. But the rest of it I very rarely listen to. I wouldn't say I dislike it, I would just much rather listen to their other records.
I dig the Final Frontier by IM.
Chris needs to give The Final Frontier and Nostradamus another chance. It sounds like he hasn’t heard them much and they are definitely albums that takes several listens to truly appreciate.
I actually like all of Pete’s picks, but I can understand them. I really like The Final Cut though.
Forbidden and Love Beach aren’t that bad to me, though I don’t dislike many albums I’ve heard. I’m still quite young (20), so I haven’t lived at the time of the releases but I try to find good in everything.
There are a few for me though, they are:
“Ummagumma” - Pink Floyd
“Duets” - Elton John
“Music From Another Dimension” - Aerosmith
I also dislike “Flash Gordon” by Queen but it’s a soundtrack album so I won’t count it.
Its a little different when you're anticipating that album with all the build up and the band puts out a stinker. You're looking back on all these albums without that context.
With the talking and then getting all ANGRY.....😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Juniors eyes look up to the skies in tears.........KILLER.......Steve Keeler is right......🤟
I hate everything after Draw the line by Aerosmith.
Night in the ruts kicks ass
@@petervanbuskirk500 So does Done With Mirrors.
*A Night In The Ruts* is way underrated. "Chiquita" and especially "No Surprise" are awesome songs.
@@bobthebear1246 my 2nd favorite, after Rocks
“Dude looks like a lady” is one of the worst songs ever by anyone...anyone! Ever!
KISS - The Elder Queen - Hot Space Black Sabbath - Technical Ecstasy the Cars - Door to Door AC/DC - Fly on the Wall.
I love Never Say Die!
Nostradamus by Judas Priest. Yep, that time they thought they were a symphonic band. It's just ballad, after ballad, after ballad.
It's not just an American thing, I'm British and I think The Final Cut is terrible too.
For me it's ELP In the Hot Seat, Yes Heaven and Earth, Styx (any post-Dennis album), Roger Waters (all albums after Pros and Cons), Genesis Calling All Stations, Judas Priest (the last two albums).
Here's mine:
Genesis - I Can't Dance
Yes - Open Your Eyes
Gentle Giant - Giant for a Day
Moody Blues -Sur la Mer
Electric Light Orchestra - Discovery
I love all the above bands but these albums...hmmmm
I agree on "Open Your Eyes" - a low point for Yes that seemed thrown together at the last minute before a tour. But I LOVE "Sur La Mer" from the Moody Blues. Still listen to it often, in fact...Different strokes, as they say.
I think I Can't Dance has some good tracks on it, but also some filler. I can see what they were trying to do with Driving the Last Spike, another one of their epics. Trouble is it's not epic, just long, not the same thing. It's the sort of song Big Big Train would do, but I think they would have made a better job of it.