This is the kind of training I do with my 2 year old. I work with him a few times a week with super short sessions, and he does fine. People really don’t need to drill their young horses every day for an hour.
He speaks volumes of your training being that calm and together around all those horses and scary things, my mare would of been easily over threshold especially as a young horse x
Perhaps you already know this but the pink conditioner you used is absolutely magic when diluted into a spray bottle, gives the nicest shine and keeps the coat feeling very natural, doesn’t feel like product on the horse at all. My chestnut looks her best when I use that stuff! It’s awesome!
Shelby, thank you for putting so much time and effort into this video to share your process and help educate us :) May I ask what exactly you mean by 'starting him under saddle at liberty' when he is eventually old enough? I'm not sure I fully understand and would like to learn.
he is so cute i dont no why people think that horses are a big monster they are i big tettdy bear btw u inspier me every day to jump higher and also jump bareback XD
Almost 2 years old.... seems like it was just last week I was watching his newborn and his inspection videos..... he sure keeps growing more and more into Hubba Hubba handsome! Not that he wasn't drop dead gorgeous when born.....
I’m an elementary school teacher and I find it really interesting how a lot of your logic is similar to the logic I use with my students. Thanks for sharing :)
JUST FOR A REMINDER: positive and negative reinforcement isnt being nice and mean/ hitting/ reprimanding, it means the ADDITION OR SUBTRACTING of stimuli that ENCOURAGES a behavior!! just incase someone doesnt know
I love seeing things done right with a young horse at the correct pace for once, please keep sharing his journey even if some may think it's boring, I found it a very interesting and beautiful video!
Banksy is so beautiful -- so red and that beautiful puzzle piece on his forehead :) I don't think anyone should be arguing with your methods and pace, Shelby; but I'm sure you'll handle them if they do. And, it is not at all boring. Like Milo, I could watch Banksy all day -- he is so expressive. I loved that he would target up in the air at the end -- I see smiles in his future. Thanks for taking us along with you as you work with your horses.
That picture at the end of Banksy jumping the poles makes him look like the horse superman 😂 Loved the video, listening to people express these views about horse training is always refreshing
Shelby, Wow, I haven't seen a video of him for awhile now, he's gorgeous 😍. The length of hip on him is insane for a 2 year old. Perfect, sport horse conformation, unbelievable that he's 2 already.
I’m just an armchair amateur but I love watching horse girl TH-cam and I’ve gotta say Shelby - your horses are just allowed to be the happy, expressive, sociable animals they are. It’s really beautiful.
I don't think you need to apologise for not souring him. He's got such a calm, relaxed eye. Horses I have been watching in the Netherlands (pure bred friesians) aren't even handled until they are three.
whooaa you mean, introducing new concepts to a young horse doesn't have to involve stressing them out and anthropomorphizing high-anxiety reactions as nothing more than 'baby horse tantrums'?? absolutely wild how that works. okay, casting off sarcasm, THIS is the kind of approach i want to see in normalized in horse training. understanding and prioritizing your horse's needs introducing unfamiliar situations a little bit at a time in a non-threatening manner. i make it no secret (but i AM ashamed) that i was once fond of natural horsemanship trainers like clinton anderson. my mom told me not to listen to any of his riding advice so we didn't do that, but we had both liked his groundwork. i first started following that way of training when i was around 11 or 12 years old, because i had just been given the responsibility of working with my own horse, but i was too nervous to ride her because she was greenbroke and i was inexperienced and a bit rusty in what i did know, and same with her. so we did groundwork to build my confidence. i was never a devout Follower of The Method™, but i didn't see anything wrong with it. it became very clear by the time i was 15 that actually, this guy had no idea how horses communicate. or how to train a horse. sadly the way i came to that realization was through watching an episode of his tv show. this girl had brought a partially or completely blind horse to demonstrate to moneybags that she had pretty much mastered his groundwork fundamentals but that her horse still seemed unsure about 'accepting her as a leader'. they handed the horse off to anderson and about the first thing he did was start asking the horse to back away from him. then he started ripping on the halter and lead rope to get it to back up faster. the heavy duty clip on the halter flipped up and smacked the horse in the face so of course, the horse had a pain reaction and started trying to run away from him. my mom and i also had a reaction, shouting "WHAT THE FUCK" and "SHE. WAS. BACKING. UP." at our tv. i changed the channel after that because we couldn't watch any more, and i've tried to avoid and denounce the duh(mb) method ever since. i use mainly positive reinforcement with some aspects of traditional pressure & release/negative reinforcement, and i also kind of use my own experiences in dealing with my anxiety disorder. like i don't want to project my feelings onto the horse because that's not ideal, but i find that if i approach with more of a 'well would i feel more inclined to stay in the corner if someone hit me or forced me to run around every time i tried to leave, or would i feel more inclined to stay there if i got something nice like a cookie every time i walked over there?'' i find it easier to avoid being swept up in emotions like anger and frustration and avoid falling into the trap of labeling horses as 'disrespectful'.
He's doing so well. He's curious and he loved his spa treatment. He was licking and chewing almost the whole time you groomed him and the look on his face...pure ecstasy. So smart.
I really respect the hell out of you for taking your time with him, and not pushing his training for views or social media content. He has colour and is forming up to have lovely conformation, and that is the kind of thing in the horse world that can be the downfall of a horse. I am so glad he had you to bring him along in a safe, kind, way that is focused on developing him properly.
Please make a playlist full of the videos of training Banksy. This is the side of the training that many don't show. When you start backing him please can you show how you teach break and leg cues.
Very exciting video for me. You are a natural at educating viewers on the details of young-horse training as it is related to their psychology. Learned so much that I really needed to hear. Thanks, Shelby, on this impressive Banksy video. He's a looker and responds so well to you foundationally.
I like your treat pouch! It looks like it's made of plastic/silicone, where did you get it? My fabric pouch for dog treats gets gross inside over time and the liner has deteriorated, but I bet the one you have would be washable. I love watching you work with your horses, you are so kind and such a skilled trainer.
I love your Banksy videos! I find them incredibly interesting, how you care about and shape his young mind. In my opinion developing a healthy (mentally and physically) horse is more rewarding than jumping high and winning ribbons 😅
Love the way you train! I’ve been trying to learn more about the more natural side of training horses. Do you intend to keep banksy a stud? He would be a gorgeous breeding stud
Denning Gillespie This video was sooo refreshing! I’ve been using R+ training with my horses for a while and I’ve never seen content specifically aimed towards safely handling colts/stallions. In my opinion, stallion welfare and training is possibly the area where we are most behind in the horse world in terms of ethicality and progressive thought. You always make kind training sound like such a logical option. Thanks for this great resource!
Great Video! I was wondering how you signal to him to touch the target. With a verbal cue? And does he get fixated on trying to touch it even when you don’t want him to? I don’t know a lot about target training.
No signal, I conditioned the following of the target by rewarding his interest in the target in smaller intervals and then once he was solid with that, following it. When I don’t want him to engage with the target, I hold the stick target end pointing down to the ground and keep it at my side and that signals no longer to follow it
Banksy and Percy are just the best of friends aaaa. I love learning about training youngsters. Banksy is going to be a looker in the showring one day. ps. I bought Native Deodorant after your first video where you reviewed it and it's THE best!!!
He is doing so well. He looks great and you can tell with his muscle development that he is right on track everything you doing and he is already developing a nice healthy Topline
So glad you're not rushing Banksy "just because you can!" 👍 I was wondering if his nose bump was an insect bite/ sting? This lesson may be for "babies" & very young horses... but I think it can also be applied to anyone who gets a new horse. This should all be done in first week. They just usually had a long journey, a new barn, new people, new hay, new sounds, smells & people and animals to meet. Why blow their minds when they're already dealing with major stress factors.
This was so helpful, thank you! All of my horses were 6yo when I got them, but I'm training my first yearling and the difference in mindset between a green horse and a baby is challenging.
Do you think he will change color as he gets older? Or do you think he's going to stay Chestnut? I don't have experience with any yearlings so this is very informative. :)
how would you help correct a yearling who doesn't want to be caught vs run away? should I do more treats? I notice you give him rewards. I like this follow the stick.
I love this video so much!! Your philosophy and strategies for training are so great, I love how you base them on behavioral science and learning theory and really listen to the horse🙌
I have a question about your technique for helping young horses through stressful/exciting places. If you didn't have another person to hold a calmer older horse for you, would ponying through something like that be as effective? My neighbors horses always get my filly wound up even though she has gotten better about focusing on me. Sometimes she still just grows three feet taller and loses confidence.
I love how you go about training your horses. I remember when bansky was born! I don’t own a horse and I don’t know much about training so I have to ask, when using treats does this mean the horse won’t respond or be willing to even do minor tasks without them? Or will you have to always use them forever? For example, if I were to use treats to teach a horse that when I click, or squeeze my leg, or something they should trot or move forward but if one day I don’t have treats, will they not listen once they realize I don’t have them? Just curious! I love your videos ❤️
Nope once the behaviour is conditioned, it should occur reliably when asked even with a less frequent reinforcement schedule. Think of it as similar as to how once a dog is conditioned to come when their name is called, they don’t need a treat every time to respond to it
Hi i saw your insta posts with the thoroughbreds jumping and was wondering that your thoughts on riding in a snowy/slushy arena are? my barn has a grass arena but it gets gross sometimes are I worry about the horses slipping. I don’t have access to an indoor otherwise I would use that but I also know riding and jumping on bad footing isn’t always safe either. do the hoof boots make a difference too ?
He looks SO good!! Sometimes it's hard to remember he's still a baby. I'm too old and broken to get back into horses again, but I wish I wasn't. So I have to be content and just enjoy watching your training videos, no matter who you're working with
Actually there were two more behind and across doing the same thing. As Shelby said, it was feeding time, and they had an audience to show-off for :) Given all that was going on, Banksy was so good. It was clear he was a little tense and aroused, but other than the dog, he behaved so well. He is such a credit to you, Shelby. You two are going to be amazing partners as he grows and learns through the years to come.
I am so amazed how you and another trainer I watch teach practically the same thing but say it differently!!!! And watching your horses and his horses BOTH of you seem to be RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!🤩🤩 Keep it up!!💖
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This is what a yearling training video should look like. Low expectations, short and sweet sessions, easy and low exercise requirements.
Unlike claire eventing's yearling training video who had big and difficult sessions.
This is the kind of training I do with my 2 year old. I work with him a few times a week with super short sessions, and he does fine. People really don’t need to drill their young horses every day for an hour.
He speaks volumes of your training being that calm and together around all those horses and scary things, my mare would of been easily over threshold especially as a young horse x
A fantastic training video - love the work you've been doing with Banksy.
Perhaps you already know this but the pink conditioner you used is absolutely magic when diluted into a spray bottle, gives the nicest shine and keeps the coat feeling very natural, doesn’t feel like product on the horse at all. My chestnut looks her best when I use that stuff! It’s awesome!
Crazy! It will probably only be a year or two until your doing short rides! He looks very well behaved for his age!
Love the Banksy videos! He's such a stunner 😍
Shelby, thank you for putting so much time and effort into this video to share your process and help educate us :) May I ask what exactly you mean by 'starting him under saddle at liberty' when he is eventually old enough? I'm not sure I fully understand and would like to learn.
He did amazing! Esp with one horse rearing and another bucking right behind him! You are doing really well with him and he is a good boy
It's so amazing to see Banksy grow like that. He is amazing ❤
I love your training methods
VERY WELL DONE!
The music in the bg makes this so cute
He reminds me of a more mellow Milo
I'm so curious how he'll grow hes so beautiful
He is gorgeous.💚💚💚
Absolutely love your videos ❤️❤️
he is so cute i dont no why people think that horses are a big monster they are i big tettdy bear btw u inspier me every day to jump higher and also jump bareback XD
early i love little bansky
I'm so about to steal the target method! It's exactly what I'm looking for in training my two year old right now
hah early squad
Almost 2 years old.... seems like it was just last week I was watching his newborn and his inspection videos..... he sure keeps growing more and more into Hubba Hubba handsome! Not that he wasn't drop dead gorgeous when born.....
I’m an elementary school teacher and I find it really interesting how a lot of your logic is similar to the logic I use with my students. Thanks for sharing :)
Man if only kids could be target trained.
But yes principles of education and learning are the same for all species.
@@NoThankUBeQuiet lmfao
I agree! I’m a high school teacher and see many connections between this and how we aim to encourage learning😊
@@NoThankUBeQuiet Well, you could... but the parents might not be happy if you use animal training techniques 🤣
JUST FOR A REMINDER: positive and negative reinforcement isnt being nice and mean/ hitting/ reprimanding, it means the ADDITION OR SUBTRACTING of stimuli that ENCOURAGES a behavior!! just incase someone doesnt know
I love seeing things done right with a young horse at the correct pace for once, please keep sharing his journey even if some may think it's boring, I found it a very interesting and beautiful video!
Banksy is so beautiful -- so red and that beautiful puzzle piece on his forehead :) I don't think anyone should be arguing with your methods and pace, Shelby; but I'm sure you'll handle them if they do. And, it is not at all boring. Like Milo, I could watch Banksy all day -- he is so expressive. I loved that he would target up in the air at the end -- I see smiles in his future. Thanks for taking us along with you as you work with your horses.
That picture at the end of Banksy jumping the poles makes him look like the horse superman 😂 Loved the video, listening to people express these views about horse training is always refreshing
Shelby, Wow, I haven't seen a video of him for awhile now, he's gorgeous 😍. The length of hip on him is insane for a 2 year old. Perfect, sport horse conformation, unbelievable that he's 2 already.
Your explanations are so helpful.
It’s amazing a woman of your age is so insightful.
I look forward to your videos.
Greetings from Belgium.
I’m just an armchair amateur but I love watching horse girl TH-cam and I’ve gotta say Shelby - your horses are just allowed to be the happy, expressive, sociable animals they are. It’s really beautiful.
I don't think you need to apologise for not souring him. He's got such a calm, relaxed eye. Horses I have been watching in the Netherlands (pure bred friesians) aren't even handled until they are three.
whooaa you mean, introducing new concepts to a young horse doesn't have to involve stressing them out and anthropomorphizing high-anxiety reactions as nothing more than 'baby horse tantrums'?? absolutely wild how that works.
okay, casting off sarcasm, THIS is the kind of approach i want to see in normalized in horse training. understanding and prioritizing your horse's needs introducing unfamiliar situations a little bit at a time in a non-threatening manner.
i make it no secret (but i AM ashamed) that i was once fond of natural horsemanship trainers like clinton anderson. my mom told me not to listen to any of his riding advice so we didn't do that, but we had both liked his groundwork. i first started following that way of training when i was around 11 or 12 years old, because i had just been given the responsibility of working with my own horse, but i was too nervous to ride her because she was greenbroke and i was inexperienced and a bit rusty in what i did know, and same with her. so we did groundwork to build my confidence. i was never a devout Follower of The Method™, but i didn't see anything wrong with it. it became very clear by the time i was 15 that actually, this guy had no idea how horses communicate. or how to train a horse.
sadly the way i came to that realization was through watching an episode of his tv show. this girl had brought a partially or completely blind horse to demonstrate to moneybags that she had pretty much mastered his groundwork fundamentals but that her horse still seemed unsure about 'accepting her as a leader'. they handed the horse off to anderson and about the first thing he did was start asking the horse to back away from him. then he started ripping on the halter and lead rope to get it to back up faster. the heavy duty clip on the halter flipped up and smacked the horse in the face so of course, the horse had a pain reaction and started trying to run away from him. my mom and i also had a reaction, shouting "WHAT THE FUCK" and "SHE. WAS. BACKING. UP." at our tv. i changed the channel after that because we couldn't watch any more, and i've tried to avoid and denounce the duh(mb) method ever since.
i use mainly positive reinforcement with some aspects of traditional pressure & release/negative reinforcement, and i also kind of use my own experiences in dealing with my anxiety disorder. like i don't want to project my feelings onto the horse because that's not ideal, but i find that if i approach with more of a 'well would i feel more inclined to stay in the corner if someone hit me or forced me to run around every time i tried to leave, or would i feel more inclined to stay there if i got something nice like a cookie every time i walked over there?'' i find it easier to avoid being swept up in emotions like anger and frustration and avoid falling into the trap of labeling horses as 'disrespectful'.
He's doing so well. He's curious and he loved his spa treatment. He was licking and chewing almost the whole time you groomed him and the look on his face...pure ecstasy. So smart.
He's such a cute colt. Glad to see his training is going well!
Banksy with K-tape looks like a bad boy with a patch on a nose.
I really respect the hell out of you for taking your time with him, and not pushing his training for views or social media content. He has colour and is forming up to have lovely conformation, and that is the kind of thing in the horse world that can be the downfall of a horse. I am so glad he had you to bring him along in a safe, kind, way that is focused on developing him properly.
Please make a playlist full of the videos of training Banksy. This is the side of the training that many don't show. When you start backing him please can you show how you teach break and leg cues.
I won’t be backing him for at least another year and a half or so, so it’ll be a while but yes it’ll likely be filmed
Very exciting video for me. You are a natural at educating viewers on the details of young-horse training as it is related to their psychology. Learned so much that I really needed to hear. Thanks, Shelby, on this impressive Banksy video. He's a looker and responds so well to you foundationally.
I like your treat pouch! It looks like it's made of plastic/silicone, where did you get it? My fabric pouch for dog treats gets gross inside over time and the liner has deteriorated, but I bet the one you have would be washable. I love watching you work with your horses, you are so kind and such a skilled trainer.
It’s the Trainers Pouch! They have a website. They do ship from Australia I believe so usually there are duty fees but it’s totally worth it IMO
I love your Banksy videos! I find them incredibly interesting, how you care about and shape his young mind. In my opinion developing a healthy (mentally and physically) horse is more rewarding than jumping high and winning ribbons 😅
Love the way you train! I’ve been trying to learn more about the more natural side of training horses. Do you intend to keep banksy a stud? He would be a gorgeous breeding stud
I'm severely allergic to most deodorant, but Native FTW!
🙌🙌🙌
Dayum he has some impressive back muscles!
Can’t take credit for that, that’s all him doing laps around the field to annoy his buddies 😂
Are you going to be keeping him a stallion or will you be cutting him?
Denning Gillespie
This video was sooo refreshing! I’ve been using R+ training with my horses for a while and I’ve never seen content specifically aimed towards safely handling colts/stallions. In my opinion, stallion welfare and training is possibly the area where we are most behind in the horse world in terms of ethicality and progressive thought. You always make kind training sound like such a logical option. Thanks for this great resource!
Aww such a handsome little man! He’s gorgeous, and you’ve done such a good job with him
Great Video! I was wondering how you signal to him to touch the target. With a verbal cue? And does he get fixated on trying to touch it even when you don’t want him to? I don’t know a lot about target training.
No signal, I conditioned the following of the target by rewarding his interest in the target in smaller intervals and then once he was solid with that, following it. When I don’t want him to engage with the target, I hold the stick target end pointing down to the ground and keep it at my side and that signals no longer to follow it
I love how you training him for every aspect of his life. And OMG, he's enormous!
Really inspiring for me and my young boy ! Thank you for your video !
Banksy and Percy are just the best of friends aaaa. I love learning about training youngsters. Banksy is going to be a looker in the showring one day.
ps. I bought Native Deodorant after your first video where you reviewed it and it's THE best!!!
So glad you like it! 🥰
💙💙💙
He is doing so well. He looks great and you can tell with his muscle development that he is right on track everything you doing and he is already developing a nice healthy Topline
He’s very good at self exercising in the field 😝
So glad you're not rushing Banksy "just because you can!" 👍 I was wondering if his nose bump was an insect bite/ sting?
This lesson may be for "babies" & very young horses... but I think it can also be applied to anyone who gets a new horse. This should all be done in first week. They just usually had a long journey, a new barn, new people, new hay, new sounds, smells & people and animals to meet. Why blow their minds when they're already dealing with major stress factors.
This was so helpful, thank you! All of my horses were 6yo when I got them, but I'm training my first yearling and the difference in mindset between a green horse and a baby is challenging.
Do you think he will change color as he gets older? Or do you think he's going to stay Chestnut? I don't have experience with any yearlings so this is very informative. :)
how would you help correct a yearling who doesn't want to be caught vs run away? should I do more treats? I notice you give him rewards. I like this follow the stick.
He's getting so big. He truly is a beautiful horse. I love your training videos. You take his emotional concern into your training.
That white face though 🥺
I love this video so much!! Your philosophy and strategies for training are so great, I love how you base them on behavioral science and learning theory and really listen to the horse🙌
it's so awesome to see Banksy so big now! Love watching your progress Shellby! Keep it up
I have a question about your technique for helping young horses through stressful/exciting places. If you didn't have another person to hold a calmer older horse for you, would ponying through something like that be as effective? My neighbors horses always get my filly wound up even though she has gotten better about focusing on me. Sometimes she still just grows three feet taller and loses confidence.
Yes ponying would also be a great way to do it so long as the horse is pretty solid with ponying youngsters!
Your videos get better and better, its nice seeing them evolve
Aw he's so big🥺🥺 and adorable. Thinking about working with some babies soon so this really is helpful to me!
I think your way of training looks brilliant, Congratulations!
I love how you go about training your horses. I remember when bansky was born! I don’t own a horse and I don’t know much about training so I have to ask, when using treats does this mean the horse won’t respond or be willing to even do minor tasks without them? Or will you have to always use them forever? For example, if I were to use treats to teach a horse that when I click, or squeeze my leg, or something they should trot or move forward but if one day I don’t have treats, will they not listen once they realize I don’t have them? Just curious! I love your videos ❤️
Nope once the behaviour is conditioned, it should occur reliably when asked even with a less frequent reinforcement schedule. Think of it as similar as to how once a dog is conditioned to come when their name is called, they don’t need a treat every time to respond to it
This is like really good training
How tall will he be when he is fully grown ?
Hi i saw your insta posts with the thoroughbreds jumping and was wondering that your thoughts on riding in a snowy/slushy arena are? my barn has a grass arena but it gets gross sometimes are I worry about the horses slipping. I don’t have access to an indoor otherwise I would use that but I also know riding and jumping on bad footing isn’t always safe either. do the hoof boots make a difference too ?
It really depends on the footing but I wouldn’t personally jump in slush as it can pack and get slippery
This was such a wholesome video
Off topic questions but where did you get his rope/leather halter I love it and I really want one for my 2 almost 3 year old
It’s from horse education company
love your long range view
I own a two year old she's on my profile picture!
Banksy is becoming such a great Oldenburg stallion from a colt Shelby and he's very handsome and well charming! 🐴 ❤ 👍
What brand of alfalfa pellets do you use or would recommend?
The brand doesn’t really matter, I just buy whichever is cheapest at the store, they’re just compressed alfalfa hay
he is SO BEAUTIFUL OHMYGOD GORGEOUS BIG MAN
He looks SO good!! Sometimes it's hard to remember he's still a baby. I'm too old and broken to get back into horses again, but I wish I wasn't. So I have to be content and just enjoy watching your training videos, no matter who you're working with
Hes turning 2! Oh my goodness!!
The horse in the pen adjacent to the goats was going bonkers 😂
Yeah she is a bit socially weird and makes it her job to try and set off my training horses 😅
Actually there were two more behind and across doing the same thing. As Shelby said, it was feeding time, and they had an audience to show-off for :) Given all that was going on, Banksy was so good. It was clear he was a little tense and aroused, but other than the dog, he behaved so well. He is such a credit to you, Shelby. You two are going to be amazing partners as he grows and learns through the years to come.
I love that you take is "slow" and easy with Banksy! Every horse deserves a person like you to handle them. Lots of respect 👏
where can I get your treat container? that is helpful
It’s from the Trainers Pouch
He sure has grown up. Can't believe he's almost 2!!
So cute to see him jump the poles!
I am so amazed how you and another trainer I watch teach practically the same thing but say it differently!!!! And watching your horses and his horses BOTH of you seem to be RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!🤩🤩 Keep it up!!💖
My gawd.... he’s gotten so big😳
Banksy - Hey Shelby! Watch me go through this fun jump chute! Wheeeee! :) He is a very good boy and lovely.
That boii is gonna grooowwww
It’s crazy that he’s already going to be two. I remember waiting for the video of him being born.
He is very well behaved for a yearling and can tell he will be a star showjumper!
How do you stop horses pulling on the ground when being lead (a 9yo) x
why dont you tie the rope looser while tied? Just wondering lol
They can put their heads under a loose rope and then pull up and panic so much safer for babies to not have too much length.
@@Milestone-Equestrian ohhhhh ok thank you!
Oh my goodness Banksy is is stunning! 😍
such a handsome boy.
Lovely boy
Where did you get your treat pouch from?
It's from The Trainer's Pouch