The same way in which Soul Music set the tone/ mood for Romance is the same way Violent Music influences Violence. Poverty is LESS to be blamed but rather Acidic Mindset where badness/badman is glamorized. Many countries that are MUCH poorer than Jamaica do not have crime/murder as Jamaica. Therefore if it's poverty, those countries would have more crime/murder than Jamaica.
All environmental factors contribute to the cultural mindset, music no more so than others. In fact, asking an artist to not create art that sells for them is like asking the fast food industry to not sell fast food because it's unhealthy or liquor manufactures to stop selling liquor, or cigarette manufactures to stop making and selling cigarettes. The decision is ultimately left up to the consumer. If a country is willing to resort to blaming musicians for significantly affecting crime and cultural mindset, that says a lot about the country itself and its people.
@roshkapel there was this man on Ted talk where he was explaining that violent hip hop music is purposely promoted to influence black people to do crime buy clothes jewelry cars etc there's a web a fuckry that follows negative music hip and dancehall seems to share that
Like which country is poorer than Jamaica and has less crime? Country of similar size and population and gdp, not the 1/2 million population like Bahamas, Bermuda and Cayman. To help you out, Cuba has way less crime than Jamaica. They sentence corrupt politicians to death.
Many people won't agree with you but its true. We need to stop normalized badness and badman. Nobody is singing about being a teacher, doctor, lawyer but everybody wants to be a badman, all dons get big up in songs. smh. Like me hear many youths would say " you a fool, you ever go prison yet, you ever get charge fi a crime yet" so clearly these are the important things. Youth dem mindset already acidic and music normalize the acidity
The music helps to warp the minds of the younger generation. It is definitely not the only factor. We have corrupt leaders, corrupt security forces,immorality of the population, ungodliness, embrace of devil worship, materialism etc, etc…all contributing to this broken society.
Your premise is wrong. He didn't say musicians have no influence. This is exactly what Maverick is talking about: the lack of reasoning skills among the Jamaican people. He said that music does influence it, but it comes lower on the list than other, more prevalent causes.
@ashersharol whether the Maverick wants to say cause or influence, music definitely help hence crime. Culture is the main culprit of cime and dancehall gun songs is definitely part of our culture. So is not just our music alone, badmind and corruption, ungodly, lawlessness, don manship and lack of opportunities. All of these combined together. But music play a big part
Neither poverty nor dancehall music should be blamed for the crime problem in Jamaica. Our young people are not suffering from poverty. Most are just out of place and don’t believe in hard work. Hard work is not fashionable anymore. We tell them to work smart and did not explain to them that smart working doesn’t mean looking for the quick way out. Now the society is suffering and heading for a crash because all the fast food restaurants and small businesses have issues getting persons to work. Jamaica has the worst customer service. We need to educate our youths and create better solutions for their generations to come.
When one is depressed, they're told not to listen to certain kind of music because it will worsen said situation... When mi string up my machine fi run tune and a play oldies, dem yute yah seh dem nuh waan hear dat... Straight long rifle an head a flip dem waan hear... Music may not be the starting point but it plays a major role
Bout no empirical evidence. Well, see it deh! Maverick know seh dem yute yah weh a kill people nowadays richer dan di people dem a kill. U know how much fi a AK or a drum magazine? U think a di Don buy it fi dem? Things an times change bredda an the music is a major factor right now
Respectfully disagree Maverick, 1).countries in far worst shape than Jamaica financially have far less violent crimes than Jamaica. 2). The music actually help promote the same gun culture you talk about. I dont believe the music is the only caused but it does play a part in crime and violence in Jamaica.
I agree with you.. Maverick is a media personality that connects to entertainment, art, and other media events. So fishermen will never admit that his fish is stink.
Still doesn't make any sense..when the music was good it was still the same..when will everyone blame our leaders 😂😂 bwoy me just a watch unuh who knows..knows 😶
Music and behaviour are closely related. Music is a strong factor that influences human behaviour. Why do you think the most effective advertising will have a musical element to it? Obviously, music is not the only factor, but it is not one to be ignored. Parents need to be more involved in training their children in decision making- including their choices in friends and entertainment (including music).
Maverick I disagree with you on this one, while violent music is not the only factor that contributes to high crime in Ja it is parts. I give an example scamming was around 10 years ago did u see all these schoolaz across the island saying I wanna be a choppa no! The music made scamming more popular and cool to these kids so yes music can play a part. It’s not the only reason but it’s a part of it.
Music is definitely a contributing factor, but not the only thing, but it does shape the thoughts and minds of the vulnerable, just like the culture and how people socialize. This get rich quick mentalityis what brought on scamming, and scamming leads to multiple "unaliving", nobody's promoting going to school getting a skill or graduating from highschool/college with great achievement, even Politicians can be seen parading with Dons in their constituents.... I remember growing up and karate movies, with Jet Lee, Jackie Chan and others influenced footwear, other songs influenced hairstyles, clothes , walking around with those big radios (cassette player) , so music does have an influence on behavior. The 90s early 2000 you mentioned about, weren't dominant about peace and righteousness, it was a mixed era, as violent music were still being perpetrated and that's the reason it eventually faded out, but all of us should hold ourselves responsible, because many have turned a blind eye and have allowed the few to take over the country, by being cowards allowing ourselves to psychologically shoved into a small space while the minorities gripped us with fear of not reporting them to the police, by telling us to not trust them, and often washes the blood money with 'special treats " for the children, especially during Christmas or back to school.
Facts maverick!, If individuals don't already have a strong foundation and sense of morals to them already then they'll be at a higher risk of being influenced by external factors, because I listen to a good amount of music that involves violent lyrics but when the song is off I carry on with my normal life with 0 intentions to act out what I heard 😂
Bad mind is the culprit but most people don’t understand that bad mind is an amalgamation of envy, jealousy, grudges and all the negative emotions. I think the solution is somewhere down the avenue of spiritual, mental, physical and emotional healing..!
When a man is hungry, it is not badmind that inspires him to kill people. When a man feel as if someone has wronged him, it is not badmind that inspires him to kill people. Yes, "badmind" is sometimes a reason, but it is not even close to being the primary driving factor of crime.
Crime is prevalent from top to bottom- we don’t know who to trust. The Jamaican who could have add more value to Jamaica have left the country to those who are unable to manage the country. Whether Andrew or Mark Crime is sucking out the blood 🩸 of Jamaicas prosperity. Where will the leadership comes from to tackle this monster 👺?
*What we truly have are a bunch of weak minded youths these days. Nothing less! The wannabe educated one’s always looking for a scapegoat. A lot of the issues starts at home. So I have to agree with u once again when u say it’s a socio-economic issue. If most of our parents had a way of having a proper paying job and able to take care of their kids the proper way, then you’ll see a lot of these issues fixed. You’re always spot on, Maverick.*
Poverty doesn’t cause crime. Greed and culture is a greater factor. And I have to agree, lack of leadership and a bag of followers. Everybody waiting for somebody to call boss and eat-a-food
Jamaica is a country where ppl use violence as a means of communication and social engagement. Even if the artiste starts singing positive music, crime will still exist. The impact of years of violence on the psychic of the social fabric of the Jamaican society needs to be studied. Music is a factor, but there are other major factors that need to be discussed.
Excellent point brother, and we should also remember that gang warfare was introduced to jamaica during the 70s and 80s through political gang warfare....jlp and pnp
Music is not the reason but it cultures it. Crime is a business in Jamaica that employs the poor youths, for cheap labour - just like the BPOs, factories, wholesales, etc. That’s why when someone in high society gets harm by a criminal, that criminal is terminated swiftly.
I don't think anyone was solely blaming music as the cause for such high crime rate in Jamaica but the impact and influence musicians and their music has on the youths can and in fact compound what was already a broken mindset to look towards crime and violence. Even though many artist state that music imitate arts and what was already there by singing about it then you are normalizing it and making it clear that its cool to do. So music may not be the sole cause but it normalized what was already being broken and make it more acceptable. There is no way crime and violence can stopped because it is impossible to control all the variables that contribute to it. We cannot say that crime is unacceptable and at the same time we are normalizing it in society.
Maverick manners and respect 🙏 for the most credible and fair 👏 opinions 👏 always. They say crime pays and it does. Crime makes you put grills on your house, that's economic there, and these security companies are making a killing. Music cannot be the driving force, even though it has some effect on crime. Poverty, lack of integrity, lack of education, biases, and social media are a few of the driving forces for crime.
lack of self knowledge a deep understanding of self and you power to create the life you want is the key to success we have been programmed from birth to believe in lack and limitation develop the power of mind and all can be accomplished as a man thinketh in is heart so is he .
If you know anything about Jamaica's history, you would see that this crime culture started long before dance hall in its current form. Ska Reggae and lovers rock was the main choice of music in the 70's leading up to the 1980 bloody election, which was the start of this crime and murder culture. In an effort to win the 1980 election EDWARD SEAGA started the gang and garrison culture we see today
Almost every study everywhere shows that there are very few college-educated people in prison. Few nurses, teachers, home health aids, carpenters, and people with certifiable skills. Most prisoners everywhere are the so-called labourer and unemployed variety. Grown useless people who still live with and depend on their family for survival. However, not since Michael Manley has Jamaica had a prime minister who prioritized education. The rest of them, like the current PM who was minister of education and should know better, just give lip service to lifting up the youth through education. So, dunceness and weak minds are the biggest drivers of crime. The behavior of some schoolchildren in Jamaica shows that the crime and prison pipeline is full.
I concur with your theoretical framework, yet it is crucial to underscore the significance of integrating cultural dynamics into your analysis. We have allowed a pernicious "bad man" culture to permeate society, with social media catalysing the amplification of these detrimental behaviours. The political elite in Jamaica are, without a doubt, the primary contributors to this predicament. They habitually evade accountability by shifting responsibility to external factors rather than addressing the critical issues of education, social development, vocational training, and the provision of opportunities for our youth. Yuh step pon dem again Maverick
A combination of factors Maverick, its multi faceted. Music appeals to the emotions so it does have a psychological effect. The real problem is leadership bro because everthing rise and fall on leadership. Doesn't matter if its social political or economical. Leaders chart the course so the buck stops with them and we know how that one go..
The same way music could influence people to by Clarks, is the same way music can influence people to do crime, because it normalizes it. Don’t underestimate the power of music (the tongue) because the same way it can speak life into someone, is the same as any it can speak death.
Well, all these other "poor" countries with lower crime dont have music promoting the things our music promotes today nor as widespread access to the internet and social media.
We always a look for something to blame for our shortcomings and music is the thing we talk about when all the real problems are there for everyone to see
The derogatory dancehall music that glorifies killings/crimes had a lot to do with crime including bad mind and grudge-full. My Generation was poor and there wasn’t so much crimes. Now almost every crevice in Jamaica is crime riddle.
It would be foolish to think hardcore dancehall is solely responsible for the crime problem we have in Jamaica; likewise, it would be foolish not to at least consider that same music genre has not contributed or compounded the crime problem. So I partially agree with Maverick. If role model, whether positive or negative, can influence the youth would that not include the artists behind that type of music. I consider Bob Marley an influence and a role model to me
The ignorance that the artistes spew in their music also reaffirms the misguided thinking of our youth. So they will see no wrong in committing certain crimes because their favorite artiste glorifies it and society as well.
Gun trade is not for poor people. Everywhere in the world the have weapons trade I'm not saying that it right but don't think that it's a poor man a do that .
I agree that the music is not the causation of our crime problems, rather than the need be accepted, and seeing those who are committing are looked up to. As you stated we fail to look at those who importing the guns in the country and how our government facilitate and encourage gun culture.
As a music fun. I can definitely say music as a huge influence. And everything these youths are doing even the ladies are accepting calling themselves Rat bat Jezebel all because of what they're hearing in the music. The music is regulathe music glorifying.These things the young minds feel like it's Regular to call themselves and accept these names.And behave accordingly
No one has ever said music is the CAUSE of Jamaica's crime. But it's undeniably a massive part. However it's more than just the music, it's the overall lifestyle of "badness" these artistes portray and promote, it seems cool to the youth and therefore they aspire to be that. You cannot deny that fact.
We have a prime minister who is chopping the country’s wealth and the youths can’t see a way out. Desperation can be added to all the other forces you mentioned.
Music is not the only factor but it shows in many research that the type of music one listens to influences the mind and thoughts. Music does drive crime, you refer to the 90s, what the fued between Gaza and Gully Fans, do you remember that the security Minister, the Cheif of Police and both artist had to come on national Radio and TV to plead to youngsters especially kids at school to stop the violence. What cause that, wasn't it the songs that were been produced from the Gaza and Gully Camp!
Another point that gives credence to the notion that music affects culture and by extent behaviour is the emergence of scamming. Preciously scamming was fround upon but once entertainers started to glorify the act, it became popular and more prominent. Again ahowing that music affects behaviour
RUBBISH ....it's the proceeds of scamming & the hype lifestyle that these vulnerable youths SEE WITH THIER OWN EYES that is the incentive for scamming boss...You'll over estimating the power of music...
Maverick you are spot on again👍 The causes of crime and Violence in Jamaica ( and the world in general) are intricate and complex. Violent music is one of the factors but there are many other factors with greater impact. Dysfunctional families, Poor parenting, Greed for gain, low self esteem, toxic male subculture, poor education, poor health care, poverty, bad government, poor leadership at all levels of the society, an ineffective and faulty crime fighting and justice system are among the major contributory factors to crime and violence in Jamaica!
Mr. Tracey, I agree with what you're saying to a point. However, you can't play down the fact that music has am impact on the crime in Jamaica. May not be the leading cause but it does. You touched on the topic of culture which music has a great influence on. What music glorifies gun and gang culture more than dancehall? Culture affects behavior and by extent music affect culture hence, music does play a role in the violence affecting the country. Again it may not be the leading factor but it does play a role.
Music indeed play a role....but it is certainly not the major contributory factor as some people claim....I think that's the point Maverick is making....and I agree with him! There are many other factors that contribute to crime and violence in Jamaica much more than music! 1..Dysfunctional families and Poor parenting play a greater role in contributing to crime and Violence more than negative violent music! 2.A weak, ineffective and inefficient Crime fighting and justice system are greater contributing factors to crime and Violence in Jamaica than negative/violent in music. And these are only a few of the factors. Crime and Violence is a complex and intricate social problem....where no single factor is a cause as most causal factors feed on each other!
So when Squash a sing that him buy guns and strengthen him block … is that a reflection of his community? Music is not the main cause of violence but it is a contributing factor
Maverick, this is one time I don't agree with your THEORY, you are trying to say poor youths coming from the garrison,and because of lack of money, they will turn to crime, foolishness, foolishness, look at so many countries on the continent of AFRICA, far worse than we are and they don't have the level of crime we have, check the statistics of our neighbor HAITI, far poorer than us 11 million + population and prior to the uprising their crime rate was nowhere like us. Now look at what going on in western Jamaica with the VERY RICH by any standard CHOPPERS, they have millions of dollars and instead of investing, they purchase GUNS and turn those western parishes into killing fields, so for me POVERTY has nothing to do with crime in Jamaica, something else, but not because we are poor or a youth cannot find a job
Absolutely not, Music has nothing to do with crime, other factors. One of the biggest factor is the FATHERS missing from the homes, until we address the breed a thing mentality and stop getting women you have no intention of having a relationship or taking care of your children, things will not change, pregnancy is not a sport
@OralTraceyMaverick y it is in Africa where more countries are far poorer and corrupt than jamaica they don't have a murderous culture. Oral u talking foolishness. Words can influence behavior, and music is made from words
Big respect to you, Sir Maverick. But I can't agree. The mindset is rooted in badman culture, and the driving force is dancehall music. While it is true that art reflects life. It is more so true that we choose what we reflect and must be accountable for our actions. Sir Maverick,ease of access to these toxic lyrics is why the yutes feel like dem and everyone a size. Remember you did affi hide and guh a dancehall to my bredda. Anyway, much respect. All the best fi 2025.
Brethren we need stop using poverty as a excuse for crime now, because there are poorer countries with lower crime rate than Jamaica and lower literature, plus unemployment is way lower today than the 90s, we just need tougher crime bill bredda and a serious leader 🤷🏿
Dancehall Music normalizes crime and criminality. But, of course normalization of criminality contributes nothing to the crime and criminal fraternity.
Maverick a lot of Jamaicans don't know the truth of gun violence and how how guns got introduce to Jamaicans. My father was big in politics back in the 60's, 70's and 80's. Him use to travel around with Seaga. He said it all the time that it was the politicians on both side that introduce illegal guns to the island. both parties armed their followers or top men and their armed men were willing to do anything without any questions, once the order was given. Caan keep saying that the country have problems with gun violence and is only willing to attack only one of the problems all the time. 100% agree "that stopping gun songs will not solve the problem" when the politician dem want to keep the heat off themselves they attack something that the people love and that have no significant to the issue.
Crime is a combination of factors , and music is one of them . Music make crime become normalize . I don’t think you should say that publicly, it’s play it’s equal part .
Music might not cause crime but it glorifies it which a negative thing. Music do influence everyone to some extent . People will feel boost by the music that speaks to them in a particular way. Is really bad a one mind bad and negative to plot crime but there are things one will impact one thoughts which is likely to take on flesh
So Maverick if music didn't play a role in shaping the mindset of people why then if you have music against certain groups it ia seen as offensive? If you sing about any religious group in any offensive way it is removed. So, how then can you say violent music doesn't contribute to the way they behave? The music might not be the only factor that influence the behaviour it does play a role.
Not so long ago the police commissioner said majority of the crimes in Jamaica are created by gangs members, I believe the police statement was 80% of crimes is gangs related,
I listen to a lot of gun, violent music from I was a youth and i have never had the thought of doing anything violent or illegal...why hasnt music influence me....whatever reason you will give as to why music hasnt influenced me, that may be the issue
Oral is making a lot of sense on this issue of crime and Violence in Jamaica! Music is one of the contributory factors but it is not the main one. The causes of crime and Violence are intricate and complex Dysfunctional families, Greed for gain, Materialsm, Toxic male sub culture, bad government, corruption, poor education, poor health care, poverty, poor self esteem, lack of leadership at different levels of the society are among the major causes of crime and Violence in Jamaica!
The culture is the problem brethren. It is rotten to the core, and the music mostly promotes the bad things about our culture, so it influences degenerate behavior. Being poor doesn't automatically mean you'll behave poorly. Poverty is a scapegoat at this point.
There is a big difference between music and noise music is soothing to the ear noise is a loud sound made by frustrated people crying out for attention its like rock and dance hall sound lol
Music is not the outright cause of violence jus as much as guns are not the cause, however the music becomes a amplifier of said voilence. Memba when buju come out and seh worl dance every body did a dance, when kartel seh cake soap bleaching became more prominent, playing a blind eye to the influence of music is redundant. Music has definitely amplified the voilence in Jamaica.
Violent music does contribute to crime in Jamaica. What you put out in the universe comes back to you. When Sizzla did those two albums,Black women and child anf praise is Jah along with other artists who were doing conscious music the crime rate was way down. So I think Violent music does contribute to Violence in Jamaica.
Maverick one of the deadliest time in Jamaica amongst the youths ( school children) was the gully Gaza era. Check the maths when the world bass get locked up the crime amongst the youths slowed down. Now is a different type of criminality in schools. As it relates to the music most of those guys sing about what they are doing and inspire other shallow minds who are thinking it to do it. The country is just corrupt from top to bottom Maverick and that is the problem.
Maverick mi breddrin, this issue is not a BLACK and WHITE one. Yes there are many factors why we have this sustained crime wave island. Yes poverty plays a role, lack of proper parenting plays a role, early and strong indicrination in schools regarding CONFLICT RESOLUTION but also from very early age for the youths there is a SUBCONSCIOUS and REPETITIOUS glorification and endorsement of a LIFE of crime that is very seductive and magnetic to the youths. Us as Jamaicans have always LIVE through our music and our musuc eventually shapes mindset which in turn shapes culture. I'm not one that says music is the only factor but one i know for sure is that it not only poverty. Too many black nation of the world experience poverty in a scale Jamaicans have no clue about yet they do have the blood shed we have been experiencing... Undoubtedly tegarding the music there is psychological and spiritual component that most people never account for...
Main drivers of Crime: Criminal organizations like PNP, and Main Crime Lords....called big business men ...They are the crime lords that feed the crime on local level. The small crimes are not the problems thats normal in most population... Crimes in Jam is way more organized and entrenched aided and supported by Terrible politicians! If we say that Criminals like Vybes Cartel help to reflect some of the problems of the Crime problem.....Poverty does not drive crime...People not doing crime cos they are poor. Listen Mav....Kartel has been deep into crime for years and singing everything about it yet people continue to put him on pedestal saying he is good singer. Clearly most people havent been detailing what he has been up to. The main reason why Jam is so riddled with crime is cos the people are just plain dumb and dont take anything seriously!
Respect your opinion Maverick, but I still believe it’s culture and mindset. Culture and mindset comes out into the music. Sir P opinion seems more logical to me, because people can be poor, but a lot have the positive mindset to still work and not fall to criminality.
When sizzla came, his influence did cause the crime rate to fall. But you are right, the crime is being fueled by social engineering. And beleive it or not, the music does influence violent crimes, it's not the only thing, but it's right up there. when you're out there in the streets and see how the music influence the youths dem thinking to want to kill, you would know. (Talking from experience.) Now think about this, if music didn't have the strong influence that it does on the minds of it's listeners, why was Bob Marley taken out, along with others like himself. There's a psyops warfare known as silent weapons for quite wars. You should check it out.
The same way in which Soul Music set the tone/ mood for Romance is the same way Violent Music influences Violence. Poverty is LESS to be blamed but rather Acidic Mindset where badness/badman is glamorized. Many countries that are MUCH poorer than Jamaica do not have crime/murder as Jamaica. Therefore if it's poverty, those countries would have more crime/murder than Jamaica.
All environmental factors contribute to the cultural mindset, music no more so than others. In fact, asking an artist to not create art that sells for them is like asking the fast food industry to not sell fast food because it's unhealthy or liquor manufactures to stop selling liquor, or cigarette manufactures to stop making and selling cigarettes. The decision is ultimately left up to the consumer. If a country is willing to resort to blaming musicians for significantly affecting crime and cultural mindset, that says a lot about the country itself and its people.
@roshkapel there was this man on Ted talk where he was explaining that violent hip hop music is purposely promoted to influence black people to do crime buy clothes jewelry cars etc there's a web a fuckry that follows negative music hip and dancehall seems to share that
Like which country is poorer than Jamaica and has less crime? Country of similar size and population and gdp, not the 1/2 million population like Bahamas, Bermuda and Cayman. To help you out, Cuba has way less crime than Jamaica. They sentence corrupt politicians to death.
Many people won't agree with you but its true. We need to stop normalized badness and badman. Nobody is singing about being a teacher, doctor, lawyer but everybody wants to be a badman, all dons get big up in songs. smh. Like me hear many youths would say " you a fool, you ever go prison yet, you ever get charge fi a crime yet" so clearly these are the important things. Youth dem mindset already acidic and music normalize the acidity
@@dane8761and when the sing good songs you still don't listen...Romain Virgo do good songs don't have a 2 million views pon a song inna 10 months
Music may not be the main driving force of crime but it does contribute.
Art imitate life more than we think.
It will definitely contribute once the individual has no morals set in place or goal for themselves, that's when they let other things develop them
So movie don't contribute?
@@beatmagic7606 the conversation is about music... when it's about movies I will comment on that.
The music helps to warp the minds of the younger generation. It is definitely not the only factor. We have corrupt leaders, corrupt security forces,immorality of the population, ungodliness, embrace of devil worship, materialism etc, etc…all contributing to this broken society.
If musicians have no influence, why do companies pay musicians millions to promote their products?
I was just about to ask if music doesn't inspire? Righteousness or ?
Your premise is wrong. He didn't say musicians have no influence. This is exactly what Maverick is talking about: the lack of reasoning skills among the Jamaican people. He said that music does influence it, but it comes lower on the list than other, more prevalent causes.
@ashersharol whether the Maverick wants to say cause or influence, music definitely help hence crime. Culture is the main culprit of cime and dancehall gun songs is definitely part of our culture. So is not just our music alone, badmind and corruption, ungodly, lawlessness, don manship and lack of opportunities. All of these combined together. But music play a big part
@@ashersharol The music and the musicians are one and the same 😂 people are both influence by the music and also the musician.
@@jayr6839 I used both words interchangeably.
Neither poverty nor dancehall music should be blamed for the crime problem in Jamaica. Our young people are not suffering from poverty. Most are just out of place and don’t believe in hard work. Hard work is not fashionable anymore. We tell them to work smart and did not explain to them that smart working doesn’t mean looking for the quick way out. Now the society is suffering and heading for a crash because all the fast food restaurants and small businesses have issues getting persons to work. Jamaica has the worst customer service. We need to educate our youths and create better solutions for their generations to come.
What exactly do you mean by “Hard work?”
It has to be studied...
When one is depressed, they're told not to listen to certain kind of music because it will worsen said situation... When mi string up my machine fi run tune and a play oldies, dem yute yah seh dem nuh waan hear dat... Straight long rifle an head a flip dem waan hear... Music may not be the starting point but it plays a major role
As of 2024, the ten countries with the lowest GDP per capita, indicating the highest levels of poverty, are:
1st South Sudan: $455.
Murder rate 14.9 (2019)
2nd Burundi: $916
Murder rate 6.6(2019)
3rd. Central African Republic: $1,123
Murder rate 21.3 (2019)
4th. Democratic Republic of the Congo: $1,552
Murder rate 12.8 (2019)
5th Mozambique: $1,649
Murder rate 3.7. (2019)
6th Niger: $1,675
Murder rate 9.6 (2019)
7th. Malawi: $1,712
Murder rate 2.2(2019)
8th Liberia: $1,882
Murder rate 9.7 (2019)
9th Madagascar: $1,979
Murder rate 6.5(2019)
10th Yemen: $1,996
Murder rate 9.7 (2019)
120-130th. Jamaica $6874(2023)
Murder rates
47.4(2019)
46.5(2020)
49.4(2021)
52.9(2022)
60.9(2023)
Murder rate per 100,000.
The issue not poverty.
@@kayjay658 I wonder if a read this
@ a hope so
Bout no empirical evidence. Well, see it deh! Maverick know seh dem yute yah weh a kill people nowadays richer dan di people dem a kill. U know how much fi a AK or a drum magazine? U think a di Don buy it fi dem? Things an times change bredda an the music is a major factor right now
Respectfully disagree Maverick, 1).countries in far worst shape than Jamaica financially have far less violent crimes than Jamaica.
2). The music actually help promote the same gun culture you talk about.
I dont believe the music is the only caused but it does play a part in crime and violence in Jamaica.
I agree with you.. Maverick is a media personality that connects to entertainment, art, and other media events. So fishermen will never admit that his fish is stink.
Still doesn't make any sense..when the music was good it was still the same..when will everyone blame our leaders 😂😂 bwoy me just a watch unuh who knows..knows 😶
Which influences which more?
Does music influence the culture more so than the culture influences the music???
Music and behaviour are closely related. Music is a strong factor that influences human behaviour. Why do you think the most effective advertising will have a musical element to it?
Obviously, music is not the only factor, but it is not one to be ignored. Parents need to be more involved in training their children in decision making- including their choices in friends and entertainment (including music).
@dwayne 1 star317 ask yourself what are poorer countries family situation like. The community situation. Single parenting a kill we off badly.
Maverick I disagree with you on this one, while violent music is not the only factor that contributes to high crime in Ja it is parts. I give an example scamming was around 10 years ago did u see all these schoolaz across the island saying I wanna be a choppa no! The music made scamming more popular and cool to these kids so yes music can play a part. It’s not the only reason but it’s a part of it.
The music makes it sound sweet
crime was high even without the major influence of dancehall artiste. The music is the music, but the additional factors is what drive the behaviour
Politicians, police, judges, customs officers uptown rich people dem a benefit.
Not to mention those guys that have gotten mega- rich from running security services.
GREED....ENVY ...AND THE LACK OF GOD IN OUR LIVES....ENTITLEMENT AMONGST OTHERS.
Several factors contribute to crime. Music expresses what is felt and describes what works for or against the specific environment.
Yes it is. You are what you listen to, think about, and watch etc. it may not be entirely the music, but it does have an impact.
Music is definitely a contributing factor, but not the only thing, but it does shape the thoughts and minds of the vulnerable, just like the culture and how people socialize. This get rich quick mentalityis what brought on scamming, and scamming leads to multiple "unaliving", nobody's promoting going to school getting a skill or graduating from highschool/college with great achievement, even Politicians can be seen parading with Dons in their constituents....
I remember growing up and karate movies, with Jet Lee, Jackie Chan and others influenced footwear, other songs influenced hairstyles, clothes , walking around with those big radios (cassette player) , so music does have an influence on behavior. The 90s early 2000 you mentioned about, weren't dominant about peace and righteousness, it was a mixed era, as violent music were still being perpetrated and that's the reason it eventually faded out, but all of us should hold ourselves responsible, because many have turned a blind eye and have allowed the few to take over the country, by being cowards allowing ourselves to psychologically shoved into a small space while the minorities gripped us with fear of not reporting them to the police, by telling us to not trust them, and often washes the blood money with 'special treats " for the children, especially during Christmas or back to school.
Maverick, I agree with you 100%. Merry Christmas, bro!
Facts maverick!, If individuals don't already have a strong foundation and sense of morals to them already then they'll be at a higher risk of being influenced by external factors, because I listen to a good amount of music that involves violent lyrics but when the song is off I carry on with my normal life with 0 intentions to act out what I heard 😂
Maverick u answer dis why business owner gave Artists adds?
Agree 100%. Fatherlessness, lack of professional law enforcement, anemic judicial system and a clownish penal system are bigger contributing factors.
Music can not and should never be blamed for the crime situation.
I agree with you maverick.. and just to add there is no study conclude that violent music directly contributes to crime
Bad mind is the culprit but most people don’t understand that bad mind is an amalgamation of envy, jealousy, grudges and all the negative emotions. I think the solution is somewhere down the avenue of spiritual, mental, physical and emotional healing..!
When a man is hungry, it is not badmind that inspires him to kill people. When a man feel as if someone has wronged him, it is not badmind that inspires him to kill people. Yes, "badmind" is sometimes a reason, but it is not even close to being the primary driving factor of crime.
Crime is prevalent from top to bottom- we don’t know who to trust. The Jamaican who could have add more value to Jamaica have left the country to those who are unable to manage the country. Whether Andrew or Mark Crime is sucking out the blood 🩸 of Jamaicas prosperity. Where will the leadership comes from to tackle this monster 👺?
*What we truly have are a bunch of weak minded youths these days. Nothing less! The wannabe educated one’s always looking for a scapegoat. A lot of the issues starts at home. So I have to agree with u once again when u say it’s a socio-economic issue. If most of our parents had a way of having a proper paying job and able to take care of their kids the proper way, then you’ll see a lot of these issues fixed. You’re always spot on, Maverick.*
The music makes it all sound sweeter 😢
Crime isn't Jamaica's biggest problem..... Corruption is!!!!
You're absolutely right
Stop deflecting. Crime is a major problem.
@garfieldewan8627 corruption contribute to crime
Bad mind...aka improper thoughts. If the mind wasn't corrupted, crime would not be incubated and hatched
So crime is not a form of corruption?
Thar list is 💯 % right.. no leadership...
Absolutely correct Oral
Poverty doesn’t cause crime. Greed and culture is a greater factor. And I have to agree, lack of leadership and a bag of followers. Everybody waiting for somebody to call boss and eat-a-food
The negative influences of dancehall music HELPS to DRIVE crime and not dancehall music drives crime .
Jamaica is a country where ppl use violence as a means of communication and social engagement. Even if the artiste starts singing positive music, crime will still exist. The impact of years of violence on the psychic of the social fabric of the Jamaican society needs to be studied. Music is a factor, but there are other major factors that need to be discussed.
Excellent point brother, and we should also remember that gang warfare was introduced to jamaica during the 70s and 80s through political gang warfare....jlp and pnp
I don’t see violent music as being any different from violent movies.
We all went to school and read about the pipepiper.What was the piper playing? I know music 🎶
Music is not the reason but it cultures it. Crime is a business in Jamaica that employs the poor youths, for cheap labour - just like the BPOs, factories, wholesales, etc. That’s why when someone in high society gets harm by a criminal, that criminal is terminated swiftly.
The crime rate actually dropped during that rasta wave in the '90s😂😂😂😂
Murder rate doubled in the 1990s.
Fact still remains that the society glorifies violence and that is one reason why the violence is so prevalent
I don't think anyone was solely blaming music as the cause for such high crime rate in Jamaica but the impact and influence musicians and their music has on the youths can and in fact compound what was already a broken mindset to look towards crime and violence. Even though many artist state that music imitate arts and what was already there by singing about it then you are normalizing it and making it clear that its cool to do. So music may not be the sole cause but it normalized what was already being broken and make it more acceptable. There is no way crime and violence can stopped because it is impossible to control all the variables that contribute to it. We cannot say that crime is unacceptable and at the same time we are normalizing it in society.
I think this is a reasonable perspective 👍🏾
Maverick a long time mi know say yuh mad
Mad? Him a straight up idiot who's just trying to win arguments
well said!
Maverick manners and respect 🙏 for the most credible and fair 👏 opinions 👏 always. They say crime pays and it does. Crime makes you put grills on your house, that's economic there, and these security companies are making a killing. Music cannot be the driving force, even though it has some effect on crime. Poverty, lack of integrity, lack of education, biases, and social media are a few of the driving forces for crime.
lack of self knowledge a deep understanding of self and you power to create the life you want is the key to success we have been programmed from birth to believe in lack and limitation develop the power of mind and all can be accomplished as a man thinketh in is heart so is he .
If you know anything about Jamaica's history, you would see that this crime culture started long before dance hall in its current form. Ska Reggae and lovers rock was the main choice of music in the 70's leading up to the 1980 bloody election, which was the start of this crime and murder culture. In an effort to win the 1980 election EDWARD SEAGA started the gang and garrison culture we see today
Madness maverick, it does influence
Almost every study everywhere shows that there are very few college-educated people in prison. Few nurses, teachers, home health aids, carpenters, and people with certifiable skills. Most prisoners everywhere are the so-called labourer and unemployed variety. Grown useless people who still live with and depend on their family for survival. However, not since Michael Manley has Jamaica had a prime minister who prioritized education. The rest of them, like the current PM who was minister of education and should know better, just give lip service to lifting up the youth through education. So, dunceness and weak minds are the biggest drivers of crime. The behavior of some schoolchildren in Jamaica shows that the crime and prison pipeline is full.
I concur with your theoretical framework, yet it is crucial to underscore the significance of integrating cultural dynamics into your analysis. We have allowed a pernicious "bad man" culture to permeate society, with social media catalysing the amplification of these detrimental behaviours. The political elite in Jamaica are, without a doubt, the primary contributors to this predicament. They habitually evade accountability by shifting responsibility to external factors rather than addressing the critical issues of education, social development, vocational training, and the provision of opportunities for our youth. Yuh step pon dem again Maverick
When Sizzla and Capleton were bringing the wave Ofcourse there was a rise in a lot of youths becoming Rasta… mi see that first hand for myself
A combination of factors Maverick, its multi faceted. Music appeals to the emotions so it does have a psychological effect. The real problem is leadership bro because everthing rise and fall on leadership. Doesn't matter if its social political or economical. Leaders chart the course so the buck stops with them and we know how that one go..
Fair analysis Oral, although mi haffy bun yuh out sometimes 😅
Also it has been proven if listen to anger or voilent music it changes your mood
Mindset and culture is the problem. Several countries have crime and poverty. However, the level of violence in Jamaica is worst.
One real leader I see in Jamaica right now is the UIC president.
The same way music could influence people to by Clarks, is the same way music can influence people to do crime, because it normalizes it. Don’t underestimate the power of music (the tongue) because the same way it can speak life into someone, is the same as any it can speak death.
Well, all these other "poor" countries with lower crime dont have music promoting the things our music promotes today nor as widespread access to the internet and social media.
We always a look for something to blame for our shortcomings and music is the thing we talk about when all the real problems are there for everyone to see
The derogatory dancehall music that glorifies killings/crimes had a lot to do with crime including bad mind and grudge-full. My Generation was poor and there wasn’t so much crimes. Now almost every crevice in Jamaica is crime riddle.
It would be foolish to think hardcore dancehall is solely responsible for the crime problem we have in Jamaica; likewise, it would be foolish not to at least consider that same music genre has not contributed or compounded the crime problem. So I partially agree with Maverick.
If role model, whether positive or negative, can influence the youth would that not include the artists behind that type of music.
I consider Bob Marley an influence and a role model to me
If a nuh music, seh something about the world 🌎 boss and yuh wi rass se.
The ignorance that the artistes spew in their music also reaffirms the misguided thinking of our youth. So they will see no wrong in committing certain crimes because their favorite artiste glorifies it and society as well.
Nuff man say dem can’t buy a bag a rice but yet half a million dollar worth a riffle explain that maverick
Gun trade is not for poor people. Everywhere in the world the have weapons trade I'm not saying that it right but don't think that it's a poor man a do that .
They always pick on the closest to sighr not the bigger picture
I agree that the music is not the causation of our crime problems, rather than the need be accepted, and seeing those who are committing are looked up to. As you stated we fail to look at those who importing the guns in the country and how our government facilitate and encourage gun culture.
thank you maverick you are hitting the bulls eye dance hall trash music which have no substanc lets get back to some good reggea music
As a music fun. I can definitely say music as a huge influence. And everything these youths are doing even the ladies are accepting calling themselves Rat bat Jezebel all because of what they're hearing in the music. The music is regulathe music glorifying.These things the young minds feel like it's Regular to call themselves and accept these names.And behave accordingly
No one has ever said music is the CAUSE of Jamaica's crime. But it's undeniably a massive part. However it's more than just the music, it's the overall lifestyle of "badness" these artistes portray and promote, it seems cool to the youth and therefore they aspire to be that. You cannot deny that fact.
Jamaica is a society weh love hype an thats a major part of it
We have a prime minister who is chopping the country’s wealth and the youths can’t see a way out. Desperation can be added to all the other forces you mentioned.
All a dem chop d country
❤🇯🇲🌍real talk
Some of the poorest countries in the world have the lowest murder rate
Facts maverick 💯✅️
Well said my general
Music is not the only factor but it shows in many research that the type of music one listens to influences the mind and thoughts. Music does drive crime, you refer to the 90s, what the fued between Gaza and Gully Fans, do you remember that the security Minister, the Cheif of Police and both artist had to come on national Radio and TV to plead to youngsters especially kids at school to stop the violence. What cause that, wasn't it the songs that were been produced from the Gaza and Gully Camp!
Come on Maverick... it does contribute....
Another point that gives credence to the notion that music affects culture and by extent behaviour is the emergence of scamming. Preciously scamming was fround upon but once entertainers started to glorify the act, it became popular and more prominent. Again ahowing that music affects behaviour
RUBBISH ....it's the proceeds of scamming & the hype lifestyle that these vulnerable youths SEE WITH THIER OWN EYES that is the incentive for scamming boss...You'll over estimating the power of music...
Maverick you are spot on again👍
The causes of crime and Violence in Jamaica ( and the world in general) are intricate and complex.
Violent music is one of the factors but there are many other factors with greater impact.
Dysfunctional families, Poor parenting, Greed for gain, low self esteem, toxic male subculture, poor education, poor health care, poverty, bad government, poor leadership at all levels of the society, an ineffective and faulty crime fighting and justice system are among the major contributory factors to crime and violence in Jamaica!
Mr. Tracey, I agree with what you're saying to a point. However, you can't play down the fact that music has am impact on the crime in Jamaica. May not be the leading cause but it does. You touched on the topic of culture which music has a great influence on. What music glorifies gun and gang culture more than dancehall? Culture affects behavior and by extent music affect culture hence, music does play a role in the violence affecting the country. Again it may not be the leading factor but it does play a role.
Music indeed play a role....but it is certainly not the major contributory factor as some people claim....I think that's the point Maverick is making....and I agree with him!
There are many other factors that contribute to crime and violence in Jamaica much more than music!
1..Dysfunctional families and Poor parenting play a greater role in contributing to crime and Violence more than negative violent music!
2.A weak, ineffective and inefficient Crime fighting and justice system are greater contributing factors to crime and Violence in Jamaica than negative/violent in music.
And these are only a few of the factors.
Crime and Violence is a complex and intricate social problem....where no single factor is a cause as most causal factors feed on each other!
So when Squash a sing that him buy guns and strengthen him block … is that a reflection of his community? Music is not the main cause of violence but it is a contributing factor
Very valid points, Dancehall artist gonna always be scapegoats unfortunately.
Maverick, this is one time I don't agree with your THEORY, you are trying to say poor youths coming from the garrison,and because of lack of money, they will turn to crime, foolishness, foolishness, look at so many countries on the continent of AFRICA, far worse than we are and they don't have the level of crime we have, check the statistics of our neighbor HAITI, far poorer than us 11 million + population and prior to the uprising their crime rate was nowhere like us. Now look at what going on in western Jamaica with the VERY RICH by any standard CHOPPERS, they have millions of dollars and instead of investing, they purchase GUNS and turn those western parishes into killing fields, so for me POVERTY has nothing to do with crime in Jamaica, something else, but not because we are poor or a youth cannot find a job
I TOLD YOU THE FACTORS I THINK DRIVE CRIME, YOU SAY IM TALKING FOOLISHNESS. SO YOU SAY IS MUSIC DRIVE CRIME??
Absolutely not, Music has nothing to do with crime, other factors. One of the biggest factor is the FATHERS missing from the homes, until we address the breed a thing mentality and stop getting women you have no intention of having a relationship or taking care of your children, things will not change, pregnancy is not a sport
@OralTraceyMaverick y it is in Africa where more countries are far poorer and corrupt than jamaica they don't have a murderous culture. Oral u talking foolishness. Words can influence behavior, and music is made from words
Yes, look at how many of them who made nuff nuff money and just waste it on buying guns.
Maybe they don't have the influence of the American lifestyle in Africa,.Might seem a bit farfetched, but it could be a factor.
Big respect to you, Sir Maverick. But I can't agree. The mindset is rooted in badman culture, and the driving force is dancehall music. While it is true that art reflects life. It is more so true that we choose what we reflect and must be accountable for our actions. Sir Maverick,ease of access to these toxic lyrics is why the yutes feel like dem and everyone a size. Remember you did affi hide and guh a dancehall to my bredda. Anyway, much respect. All the best fi 2025.
Totally agree with you sir. Dancehall music is ghetto music. So it is easily attacked. Art imitates life....simple as that
Brethren we need stop using poverty as a excuse for crime now, because there are poorer countries with lower crime rate than Jamaica and lower literature, plus unemployment is way lower today than the 90s, we just need tougher crime bill bredda and a serious leader 🤷🏿
Dancehall Music normalizes crime and criminality. But, of course normalization of criminality contributes nothing to the crime and criminal fraternity.
Maverick a lot of Jamaicans don't know the truth of gun violence and how how guns got introduce to Jamaicans. My father was big in politics back in the 60's, 70's and 80's. Him use to travel around with Seaga. He said it all the time that it was the politicians on both side that introduce illegal guns to the island. both parties armed their followers or top men and their armed men were willing to do anything without any questions, once the order was given. Caan keep saying that the country have problems with gun violence and is only willing to attack only one of the problems all the time. 100% agree "that stopping gun songs will not solve the problem" when the politician dem want to keep the heat off themselves they attack something that the people love and that have no significant to the issue.
Crime is a combination of factors , and music is one of them . Music make crime become normalize . I don’t think you should say that publicly, it’s play it’s equal part .
Music might not cause crime but it glorifies it which a negative thing. Music do influence everyone to some extent . People will feel boost by the music that speaks to them in a particular way. Is really bad a one mind bad and negative to plot crime but there are things one will impact one thoughts which is likely to take on flesh
Agree with Maverick
So Maverick if music didn't play a role in shaping the mindset of people why then if you have music against certain groups it ia seen as offensive? If you sing about any religious group in any offensive way it is removed. So, how then can you say violent music doesn't contribute to the way they behave? The music might not be the only factor that influence the behaviour it does play a role.
Not so long ago the police commissioner said majority of the crimes in Jamaica are created by gangs members, I believe the police statement was 80% of crimes is gangs related,
I listen to a lot of gun, violent music from I was a youth and i have never had the thought of doing anything violent or illegal...why hasnt music influence me....whatever reason you will give as to why music hasnt influenced me, that may be the issue
Ah di secon time Oral ah chat dis RUBBISH. BREDDA, GUH SIDDUNG WID YU EEDIAT TALK. FOOLISHNESS!!!
The man is talking the truth
Oral is making a lot of sense on this issue of crime and Violence in Jamaica!
Music is one of the contributory factors but it is not the main one.
The causes of crime and Violence are intricate and complex
Dysfunctional families, Greed for gain, Materialsm, Toxic male sub culture, bad government, corruption, poor education, poor health care, poverty, poor self esteem, lack of leadership at different levels of the society are among the major causes of crime and Violence in Jamaica!
The culture is the problem brethren. It is rotten to the core, and the music mostly promotes the bad things about our culture, so it influences degenerate behavior. Being poor doesn't automatically mean you'll behave poorly. Poverty is a scapegoat at this point.
There is a big difference between music and noise music is soothing to the ear noise is a loud sound made by frustrated people crying out for attention its like rock and dance hall sound lol
Music is not the outright cause of violence jus as much as guns are not the cause, however the music becomes a amplifier of said voilence. Memba when buju come out and seh worl dance every body did a dance, when kartel seh cake soap bleaching became more prominent, playing a blind eye to the influence of music is redundant. Music has definitely amplified the voilence in Jamaica.
Violent music does contribute to crime in Jamaica. What you put out in the universe comes back to you. When Sizzla did those two albums,Black women and child anf praise is Jah along with other artists who were doing conscious music the crime rate was way down. So I think Violent music does contribute to Violence in Jamaica.
Why is that youth illiterate and ignorant? The music is a symptom of the malaise in the society
Maverick one of the deadliest time in Jamaica amongst the youths ( school children) was the gully Gaza era. Check the maths when the world bass get locked up the crime amongst the youths slowed down. Now is a different type of criminality in schools. As it relates to the music most of those guys sing about what they are doing and inspire other shallow minds who are thinking it to do it. The country is just corrupt from top to bottom Maverick and that is the problem.
Maverick mi breddrin, this issue is not a BLACK and WHITE one. Yes there are many factors why we have this sustained crime wave island. Yes poverty plays a role, lack of proper parenting plays a role, early and strong indicrination in schools regarding CONFLICT RESOLUTION but also from very early age for the youths there is a SUBCONSCIOUS and REPETITIOUS glorification and endorsement of a LIFE of crime that is very seductive and magnetic to the youths. Us as Jamaicans have always LIVE through our music and our musuc eventually shapes mindset which in turn shapes culture.
I'm not one that says music is the only factor but one i know for sure is that it not only poverty. Too many black nation of the world experience poverty in a scale Jamaicans have no clue about yet they do have the blood shed we have been experiencing... Undoubtedly tegarding the music there is psychological and spiritual component that most people never account for...
Where do you draw the line, though, between this kind of? "unproven theory' vs artistic freedom of expression?
This bredda is an agent....
Main drivers of Crime: Criminal organizations like PNP, and Main Crime Lords....called big business men ...They are the crime lords that feed the crime on local level.
The small crimes are not the problems thats normal in most population... Crimes in Jam is way more organized and entrenched aided and supported by Terrible politicians!
If we say that Criminals like Vybes Cartel help to reflect some of the problems of the Crime problem.....Poverty does not drive crime...People not doing crime cos they are poor.
Listen Mav....Kartel has been deep into crime for years and singing everything about it yet people continue to put him on pedestal saying he is good singer. Clearly most people havent been detailing what he has been up to. The main reason why Jam is so riddled with crime is cos the people are just plain dumb and dont take anything seriously!
Respect your opinion Maverick, but I still believe it’s culture and mindset. Culture and mindset comes out into the music. Sir P opinion seems more logical to me, because people can be poor, but a lot have the positive mindset to still work and not fall to criminality.
When sizzla came, his influence did cause the crime rate to fall.
But you are right, the crime is being fueled by social engineering. And beleive it or not, the music does influence violent crimes, it's not the only thing, but it's right up there. when you're out there in the streets and see how the music influence the youths dem thinking to want to kill, you would know. (Talking from experience.)
Now think about this, if music didn't have the strong influence that it does on the minds of it's listeners, why was Bob Marley taken out, along with others like himself.
There's a psyops warfare known as silent weapons for quite wars. You should check it out.
Oral Tracey Maverick.