How the Norwegian Method Is Changing Endurance Training

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  • I go through some key takewayes from The Norwegian Method that makes athletes like Jakob Ingebrigtsen and Kristian Blummenfeldt so successfull.
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    00:00 Intro
    01:04 1 A scientific approach
    03:30 2 Run A LOT OF controlled threshold
    06:20 3 Run intervals not continued threshold
    07:25 4 Use the treadmill
    09:08 5 Keep the easy training easy
    09:49 6 Do the hardest workouts in uphill
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  • @Growlizing
    @Growlizing 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +275

    As far as I understood, the Ingebrigtsen adapted this double threshold system more and more as a search to avoid injuries. Injuries would come up again and again, so they looked for safer ways to increase volume. That becomes very important for professional runners and helps you accumulate volume.

    • @frank-ko6de
      @frank-ko6de 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      these nonsense only have Warholm, who's a middle a distance sprinter hurdler, but suddenly, the Norwegian system is revolutionary when the guy the guy is not even an endurance athlete, but a sprinter!!!! these dark wintered light deprived nonsense. my word. and I'm married to a Swede!!!!

    • @Magnus_Loov
      @Magnus_Loov 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      You also are starting to see it in strength training and bodybuilding where you have 1-2 reps to spare from total failure (max effort) and can get away with a high enough volume for training stimuli and not hammer away at the muscles (And tendons, ligaments) with "overreach effort" too often (in the long run also getting into stalling development). Yes, at periods total failure, max effort, should be done but the tendency now is to spend more time in the close to, but not at, the max effort.

    • @frank-ko6de
      @frank-ko6de 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Magnus_Loov Dude, you're talking complete nonsense. Bodybuilding has nothing, at all, to do with middle distance hurdling sprinting. Try making sense or just sit down, you ridiculous nonsense.

    • @fishtail2616
      @fishtail2616 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@frank-ko6dewhat?

  • @philippeterson9512
    @philippeterson9512 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +314

    I’m 61 now, and did my first marathon at age 55. When I was younger the training, philosophy was run till you puke. My first marathon was abysmal, my second and third not much better. Then I found the book 8020 running by Matt Fitzgerald. That changed everything for me and convinced me that you don’t have to go all out on every work out. It seems to be a simpler version of this Norwegian method. Of course, I didn’t have VO2 max and lactate threshold, measuring available to me, I only had heart rate. But my 5K dropped from about 26 minutes to 22:56 and my marathon went from 5:15 to 4:18. I’ve hung up my distance running, and I’m concentrating on Pole Vault now, and the sprint training for that is just as different from what I learned when I was a teenager.

    • @of5458
      @of5458 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      I think you mean 80/20 running by Matt Fitzgerald, not Matt McMillan. Good luck with your pole vaulting, that's amazing at 61!

    • @philippeterson9512
      @philippeterson9512 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@of5458 you are correct, I will edit my post. It was Matt Fitzgerald.

    • @mmccrownus2406
      @mmccrownus2406 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      look up hill sprints for a great add

    • @sumit060292
      @sumit060292 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Salute to u for doing it at this age..

    • @YunisRajab
      @YunisRajab 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      80/20 is almost a universal law that you find in every industry for various things

  • @Rich_1
    @Rich_1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Thx to your advice I’ve been trying to run almost every day at a lower easy effort with all my speed sessions up hills, It has helped me so much with avoiding injury and slowly getting faster.

  • @konrdchristensen2111
    @konrdchristensen2111 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    When i ran interval training was very hard, much harder than today. But no one understood the concept of adaptation, basically that the gains do not come during the training but in the rest between training when your body adapts to the greater stress. Just knowing that and a heart rate monitor can get you very far. But now you add in lactate, VO2 Max, and sleeping devices to measure how well your body reacts to the training and you can completely control your training without breaking down. When i ran it was Russian Roulette, you trained as hard as you could and hoped you missed the bullet in the chamber(breaking down). Now you can predict that long before it happens. My performances took off when i learned that you should always have a little left at the end of a workout, or even a race. Even though it was a small amount, the psychological advantage of always knowing you would finish strong because you had more in reserve than the other guy made a big difference in my confidence.

    • @Postermaestro
      @Postermaestro 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ".. you should always have a little left at the end of a workout..." this

  • @alex-dk2rj
    @alex-dk2rj 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Always look forward to your videos. Thank you.

  • @jefejeffwell1113
    @jefejeffwell1113 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    I’ve been doing treadmill repeats and tempo intervals on the treadmill about 3 months. I hated it at first and then started enjoying it just like yourself. It’s definitely increased my top end work speed and endurance and helped take some impact out of the joints. I’ve also noticed you have to have better form on the treadmill at those top speeds, but maybe that’s just anecdotal to my experience. Thanks for another great video, Goran! Still my favorite TH-cam channel.

    •  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Be careful because it can trick you believing you are better than you really are. My 5 km time on the treadmill is 2 min faster than on the road. Some people say to set the treadmill on 1% incline but for me this is more difficult than running outside.

  • @ulrik03
    @ulrik03 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Norway has been low key great in endurance sports. It's just usually focused on cross country skiing - but every so often somebody chooses a different sport and we get a random marathon runner, cyclist, or whatever making waves

    • @gmaxsfoodfitness3035
      @gmaxsfoodfitness3035 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Even a 400m sprinter with Ingvaldsen who broke the Norwegian national record this year at the World Championships which was previously held by Karsten Warholm (you know that 400m hurdles record holder guy;).

  • @arthurdavis5931
    @arthurdavis5931 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +79

    I've been enjoying your videos a lot, Göran-it's not just your 'content', it's your demeanor which is very honest and hospitable. Cheers from South Australia 🦘🦘

    • @johntalak5453
      @johntalak5453 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cheers from Australia

  • @paulwood8838
    @paulwood8838 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +114

    With so many videos talking about ‘running slow to run fast’ it’s refreshing to hear of some actually successful training techniques that involve ‘running faster’! I ran slow for the last 15 years, lots of mileage all slowly. I then started training doing tempo and threshold sessions and just smashed my marathon and half marathon PB. As you state, it’s all about the right balance of ‘fast and slow’ + ability to recover that gets results - there aren’t any cheat mode or short cuts!
    P.s. - treadmills are torture!

    • @armanahmadian4373
      @armanahmadian4373 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Yeah... Run slow to run fast. 😂 Every big TH-cam channel makes 10 versions of this every month as if it's some sort of a new revelation and there are people who would punch you if you tell them only running slow will never make you fast. 😂

    • @pupper5580
      @pupper5580 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      i didnt watch the video yet. ive been doing great progress just by running fast, 90 second reduction in my 1 mile time in 2 months. I've been doing maybe 4 vo2max workouts for every 1 slow workout. Not saying my training makes any sense. I think we should have enough slow workouts to get rid of the lactic acid build up from fast workouts (which is something I'm not doing). I don't know how many slow workouts we should have to make this happen, but I Guess something like 1 hard workouts for every 2-3 slow workouts might just achieve this goal (of flushing the lactic acid).

    • @armanahmadian4373
      @armanahmadian4373 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@pupper5580 Nice. Could you please share some details about your training history? Like how long you've been running and what's been your cumulative mileage over the years and what are your current PBs. Also age if you don't mind.

    • @samuelhybrid
      @samuelhybrid 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Interesting insight! Im new to running and saw a lot of this run slow to run faster too.

    • @kimaboe
      @kimaboe 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      ​@@samuelhybrid When you're new, running slow is probably a good idea, you need to build strength and stability without getting injured. Don't rush into it. :)

  • @mhammondsub4
    @mhammondsub4 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very nice video 👍appreciate the extra effort with editing and graphics.

  • @ironmitchel
    @ironmitchel 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent video! thanks from Brazil! keep going!

  • @hmcdonald3164
    @hmcdonald3164 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Outstanding as usual Goran, can't say thank you enough! Take care mate, run safe.

  • @84Prefontaine
    @84Prefontaine 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yet another superb video! Many thanks! :)

  • @wsbygt
    @wsbygt 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A good video about the topic. Thank you!

  • @kentrichardson6916
    @kentrichardson6916 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic Gorman the info is spot on 👌🏾

  • @DWMtukwila
    @DWMtukwila 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow! I loved this video. I cannot run due to a motorcycle accident but was a bicycle racer and junior coach many years ago. I am now 67 years old and still like the idea of well planned training using a heart rate monitor, intervals, rest/recovery and so on. I had a huge increase in speed the last year being able to drop my cycling group at will as a solo rider. The difference was adding swimming in the morning, including interval training dispersed through the routine.
    I did not really know why I got so much faster on the bike as even young riders could not stay with me. Now I think I understand what happened. Thanks for this video

  • @jk6561
    @jk6561 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video - very informative and makes a lot of sense! Thanks for posting!

    • @goranwinblad
      @goranwinblad  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks and thanks for your support 😊

  • @tyhigby4345
    @tyhigby4345 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for this video!!

  • @a_bar8579
    @a_bar8579 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your advice is always helpful

    • @goranwinblad
      @goranwinblad  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you think so!

  • @vsmg1877
    @vsmg1877 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I looked at World Athletics, and Norway has 0.97% of the all time toplist for the 1500 even though they only have 0.06% of the world's population. They also have 0.93% of the mile list, 1.13% of the 2000m list, 1.51% of the 3000m list, and 1.7% of the 2 mile list. That's crazy. I guess science-based training works. What a surprise lol

    • @paulnorman8274
      @paulnorman8274 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Any way to see how all those percentages change, if you set aside Superfreak Ingebriktsen? Even if he was a country all to himself, that would be a formidable country in middle distance running. Prior to him, I've never really thought of Norway as a major running country. Skiing, yes. But running?

    • @hutchmusician
      @hutchmusician 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It doesn’t hurt that it’s an extremely wealthy nation. I’d be more surprised if a poor country had bucked the statistics in the same way, and I wonder whether you’ve compared Norway’s level with comparable first world countries?

    • @fivefivefive3975
      @fivefivefive3975 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Would like to see the comparison against runners from other nations since not all nations are equally represented via total population. The other issue is some nations tend to focus on certain sports over others. E.G. you tend to see the Jamaicans in sprint events.

  • @johncarr2333
    @johncarr2333 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    Thanks Goran. As runner and an MD, I can not read Bakken's notes. They are all over the place. I am really curious to look at the data myself but it really needs a re-organization and re-write badly. I am so appreciative that Bakken did this, however. Wonderfully insightful foresight.

  • @trn8061
    @trn8061 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This makes sense. I ran at my best in Dubai when doing long runs was only possible on the treadmill. My 10km got down to a 32min. For me a lifetime best. When I moved back to Australia, i was doimg hard hill intervals. Also made me srrong but I was no where near as fast. I lacked the treadmill. That is the secret, plus chilling out and not pushing myself like a racehorse. Great video. Thank you.

  • @thatboysims3k879
    @thatboysims3k879 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. I don’t even run but this was an awesome watch with quality information!

  • @authentichealthcoach4142
    @authentichealthcoach4142 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice video! Sweet Spot training is an excellent way to build capacity without taxing the ability to recover. Interval sweet spot training to teach close to race pace with greater volume is a really smart approach

  • @davidrock3959
    @davidrock3959 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    excellent information 👍 keep it up 🌞

  • @Captinarrow_freepalstine
    @Captinarrow_freepalstine 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing Goran as always great vlog

    • @goranwinblad
      @goranwinblad  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you enjoyed it

  • @TheZmarcusmorris
    @TheZmarcusmorris 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the video!!!!!

  • @alexanderlinnman
    @alexanderlinnman 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Contnue with running until you are at least 90 years old. I wanna see that. Tack för dina videor och lycka till i fortsättningen.

    • @goranwinblad
      @goranwinblad  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Haha I will try, tack! 😊

    • @runcaz7802
      @runcaz7802 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I already tried running till I was 90. It didn't work. I ran too many races, died of an enlarged heart. But I think I know where I messed up. Now I'm ready to try again.
      To answer your obvious question: Yes, I have since reincarnated. Duh!

    • @okantichrist
      @okantichrist 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@runcaz7802Did you run out of the crematorium because it was getting too hot?😂

    • @runcaz7802
      @runcaz7802 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@okantichrist It was locked, couldn't get out.

    • @steinarhaugen7617
      @steinarhaugen7617 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'm 106. 🤗 Still running.

  • @bloop8691
    @bloop8691 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    excellent video. really well informed and great presentation of concepts

    • @goranwinblad
      @goranwinblad  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you liked it!

  • @DrewWillson
    @DrewWillson 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    your camera presence is so underrated

  • @mitchatkins7402
    @mitchatkins7402 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video info. Ill try the intervals at less intensity now. Thx

  • @danbuhuera376
    @danbuhuera376 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this vid

  • @atle821
    @atle821 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Marius Bakken is a fucking hero to be so systematic and scientific in his approach, so early before everyone else. There was so many coaches just doing what they always done, and then a young runner comes along and research this in such a systematic way, while also being one of the best runners in Europe AND studying to be a doctor. Fucking epic.

  • @Rich_1
    @Rich_1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I’ve got Young kids so I love the treadmill at the Gym! early mornings or late at night so good 👌

  • @paulsolon6229
    @paulsolon6229 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Helpful
    Grazie

  • @ScotBreithaupt
    @ScotBreithaupt 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video! If you're interested in more history on why this testing and training method works well, watch anything by Dr Joe Vigil or pick up his book, road to the top. Vigil pioneered this style of testing and training in the 70s while head coach of Adams State. They won something like 15 national titles in a row, and Vigil went on to train more medalists from the 70s-early 2000s than any other American coach.

  • @oklandevaux5940
    @oklandevaux5940 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for doing this in English! Great video 🏆

  • @rickbowker
    @rickbowker 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Marius helped me get p.b.s at the marathon and half marathon at age 49 And 50 and this was after starting running at 33 years old!

  • @dirkvillarrealwittich
    @dirkvillarrealwittich 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Vad trevligt!

  • @175139
    @175139 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Really interesting video - thanks! Do you have a view on the application of double threshold days for cycling (e.g. for a 20km cycle within a sprint triathlon)? Best wishes from the UK 😁

  • @PeterSdrolias
    @PeterSdrolias 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have been using a polarized training program on the bike and have never been happier.

  • @qp4367
    @qp4367 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "dominating the sport at the time" is wild bro

  • @josephcarbone5379
    @josephcarbone5379 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well researched

  • @davidjanbaz7728
    @davidjanbaz7728 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Veronik Bilat : a sports physiologist in France was a pioneer in this type of training and at a Running camp at Peperdine University in 2001 we did Lactate monitoring during and after a 3000 meter test run.
    To find out best Running speed for training and where you're at in you're fitness !
    Veronik spoke on this type of training during the week long camp and has written many articles about this and was training African runners for marathons.

    • @josephyates9936
      @josephyates9936 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Veronique Billat''s approach was not at all about threshold training. Her training philosophy was workouts at a much higher intensity _30 secs at VO2 max pace (i.e. 3k pace approx)/30 secs jog at VO2 max pace, 4 mins efforts at V02 pace etc. Slower running days to recover. Basically Billat was about polarized training slow running and VO2 max workouts with not much else in between. A totally different approach basically.

  • @ole-pettermoen3968
    @ole-pettermoen3968 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video!

  • @JonathanShaheen
    @JonathanShaheen 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Swimming has been doing high volume threshold training for years. John Urbancheck was devolving a system for it in the 80s. Cool to see it in other sports

    • @MirkyMan
      @MirkyMan 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hard to injure yourself swimming

    • @Noegzit
      @Noegzit 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@MirkyMan Repeated movements can cause injuries regardless of the sport. Neck, shoulders, back and knee injuries are common among swimmers. You can also drown or have Swimming-Induced Pulmonary Edema in a triathlon or in an open water race.

  • @samlafferty2433
    @samlafferty2433 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video bro

  • @CollinLi
    @CollinLi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The fastest I've been was when I accidentally did something like this by run commuting to work. I also had unintentional intervals built in due to traffic lights. I had only ever run HM distances at that point but my fastest 5K is still from that era. I now run marathons and I'm probably fitter but not as fast at the sub-threshold paces these days.

  • @jong3397
    @jong3397 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Living/Coaching/Training in Boulder Colorado during the 90s I watched the Kenyans/Africans doing these workouts over and over. 5 - 10 repeats x 1 mile at around 4:30 pace with 1 min recovery was a standard, which was at or just below threshold. Hence so much damn success on the roads/track. I always encouraged the treadmill to keep an athlete off the pavement to save the legs while working on leg speed. Seems logical.

    • @maciejguzek3442
      @maciejguzek3442 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Pretty delusional to attribute successes of African runners in the 90s to their superior training methods over Western runners.. but hey I guess it's the fashion now

  • @MichaelLoweAttorney
    @MichaelLoweAttorney 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    In the Texas summer months, treadmill training is superior to outside. I’ve done it both ways and there’s no question that treadmill training is much more effective.

    • @pete5691
      @pete5691 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree for time of year and certain weather but isnt it easier than running outside?

    • @MichaelLoweAttorney
      @MichaelLoweAttorney 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@pete5691 No. it’s not easier. I think it’ harder. Especially longer runs. I use a power meter and can adjust it based on lack of wind resistance to make it same effort as outside. I also set my TM to 0.5%. TM is especially helpful at controlling intensity during intervals and longer tempo runs. TM can get very uncomfortable with longer runs tho. My room will heat up, even with AC and fans. If you do it in a gym, it’s less of a problem. But there’s no air movement to cool off.
      I think people think the TM is easier because they go by the pace on the TM. That’s usually not accurate. It’s much better to use a foot pod on a TM.

    • @Kurio71
      @Kurio71 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the heat

  • @lousaynas
    @lousaynas 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +896

    You’ll never convince me to get on a treadmill, no matter how logical your arguments are 😂

    • @goranwinblad
      @goranwinblad  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

      😂

    • @runcaz7802
      @runcaz7802 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Uhhmm, yeah. Before you reject the treadmill outright, just try it for 1 month. Maybe that will get you used to it and convince you to try it.

    • @ashleyhouse9690
      @ashleyhouse9690 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

      Training on a treadmill isn't running though, it's jumping up and down on the spot.

    • @romainpavy
      @romainpavy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I like to run barefoot on the treadmill sometimes, but of course running barefoot in freshly cut grass is much much more enjoyable 😊

    • @slowcyclist4324
      @slowcyclist4324 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      @@ashleyhouse9690it doesn’t matter. What matters are the results. If a treadmill gets you faster, it’s better than running.

  • @scoobtoober2975
    @scoobtoober2975 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I had a guess before you mentioned any research.
    Stephen Seiler is on this train for sure. I've done parts of his research as a hobby basic person just maintaining some form of fitness.
    My quick annecdoete based on him and a few others. Do 80% of training at zone 2 or less. for me at 40 years old, ok shape. 140 heart rate and low exertion. It should feel pretty easy. Light duty. Some time at medium high and some at high high all out for short periods. Interval HIIT. It is so easy to recover and do it again and again. Then pro's who are dedicated and not working full time jobs, can do this multiple times a day. To some extent and focus. Cold therapy and hot therapy is very good for me for recovery. I barely feel stress and strain in my muscles. But progress is made in time and quantity of weights to lift.

  • @Eric-wu3hr
    @Eric-wu3hr 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    these ideas are key in rowing, and have been in rowing for a long time.

    • @ThePicoypala
      @ThePicoypala หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      In swimming, too.

  • @zay0924
    @zay0924 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you

    • @goranwinblad
      @goranwinblad  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You're welcome, thanks for watching!

  • @MrDominicharrison
    @MrDominicharrison 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Graeme Orbree trained exactly this way in the 90s for his pursuit world titles, his reckoning was that each round was a race effort there were two of these per day for the two day event
    He trained at race speed or dead slow recovery nothing in between

    • @nt78stonewobble
      @nt78stonewobble 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He was also quite the character, but people are so very different physically, but also mentally. What works to get one person to give it their all, might not work for others. :)

  • @danjohnson9821
    @danjohnson9821 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Manga tussen tack! Some great training advice.

  • @nathanielseltveit3252
    @nathanielseltveit3252 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Marius bakken always says, that you can train at race pace and Get as Mechanicly efficient as you want, but in the end you will always be Limited by the things happening inside your body like enzymes and stuff. So trainig much at threshold and increasing threshold speed is the biggest factor for distance runners. This prossess also takes a lot longer time than race prepping, where you mabye need like 10 sessions to Get ready.

  • @tizioincognito.3330
    @tizioincognito.3330 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Where can we get more information about this method of training?

  • @2014wb
    @2014wb 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    My understanding is that treadmill running can increase the risk of a stress fracture because you hit the ground in nearly the same way every time. The variance in footing outside on the other hand distributed the load a bit.

  • @yankaitan8648
    @yankaitan8648 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good one!

  • @sbsb4995
    @sbsb4995 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent episode

  • @bakoorvos
    @bakoorvos 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like the Norwegian model and support all the comments. I have a few thoughts of my own regarding the requirements to have a top endurance running country:
    1. General ethnic genetics should be strong and athletic. The old Norse and Germanic warriors were strong. The East and West Africans are also known for their physical strength, speed and endurance. In contrast a country like India and China has a population of more than a Billion people each and almost no top runners.
    2. Generally speaking altitude born runners have an advantage - Kenya, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Uganda, Morocco, South Africa. However there are altitude living people who do not run well - Peru / Bolivia etc. The East Africans are blessed to have latitude and altitude with relative mild winters.
    3. Cold countries must be socia-economically strong to accommodate for winter training. Lesotho for example has the potential to deliver world class runners but the winters are just to harsh and winter training facilities non-existent.
    4. Countries with fanatic sport status like football and rugby do not have many top runners. Athletic individuals are sucked into these sports and all funding and prestige goes to the super sport. Latin america football, South African rugby etc…
    5. Countries with bad eating habits are at a disadvantage. The USA is a good example. The opposite is true for the Scandinavian countries.
    6. Thereafter, the principles of consistent scientific training from a relative young age is important. Cross country is king. Off road trails are important. Over racing should be avoided. Annual increases of total weekly mileage should be calculated. Running specific strength and plyometric training should be included .
    Sub stress fracture intensity is different between individuals. (Foot strike, foot anatomy, weight etc). Each individual max long term intensity should be determined. Some runners are Toyota’s and some are Land Rovers.
    I like the regular inclusion of lactic threshold training. Johan Cronje bronze 1500m World
    Champs and Zola Budd used to do 3-4, 4km time trials per week. Friday for example had a morning and afternoon 4km.
    I think treadmill training should only be included in emotional/psych ready elite individuals. There is a risk of boredom / frustration.
    Despite many things, I think the Kenyan and Ethiopian models remain the gold standard. They have 1000’s of individuals who have run at the top. Their volume of runners over 40 years remain staggering.

  • @mateuszzdyb3547
    @mateuszzdyb3547 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    norway also adopted asthma inhaler for all athletes.

  • @osmund8092
    @osmund8092 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hej Hej Göran! You inspired me to pick up running agin after a long time with this video! Thank you! - Is the 4x4 intervalls a "sub method" of performing the lactate threshold trainging?
    I read Marius's paper and searched online but some experts call the 4x4 method the norwegian method... but doesn't the 4x4 train way past the lactate threshold?

  • @alfrede.newman1838
    @alfrede.newman1838 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Fascinating research, obviously there is something important going on here. My question is, as a senior (68 years old) has there been any research work on how 'older athletes' can adopt a structured training program to 1. improve their long-term health while enjoying more competitive sports, 2. stay injury-free as our bodies change with age. You, me, we all are getting older. Training can still be fun if we could do it better (than just being an "old gym rat").

    • @yotube9797
      @yotube9797 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      General strength training with "heavy weight" is the general recommendation. Ofc keeping prior injuries in mind.

    • @growtocycle6992
      @growtocycle6992 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Be careful with intervals... More distance, less speed work

    • @alfrede.newman1838
      @alfrede.newman1838 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@growtocycle6992 sounds like an even stronger emphasis on building/strengthing the aerobic base. Thanks

    • @paulnorman8274
      @paulnorman8274 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@growtocycle6992 Are you sure about that? Traditional wisdom has it that strength, coordination, ligaments, flexibility and muscle mass, all decline more rapidly than endurance, with age. Hence require more attention, in order to slow aging related decay.

    • @growtocycle6992
      @growtocycle6992 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@paulnorman8274 the issue is avoiding injury and also it's based on the knowledge that there are world class ultra marathon runners in their 50s/60s.... Short distance is out of the question at this age

  • @sylgo
    @sylgo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you very much. Quick question; at 8.31 you mention vertical displacement, shouldn't it be called horizontal ? Thanks.

  • @XxxxTxTxxxX
    @XxxxTxTxxxX 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    One of the things I've been curious about is could you actually do more than 2 sessions per day? Like is is possible to do 3 for sessions per day for lets say 2 days a week? If you never go over the Lactate treshold, and you don't overtrain, then what stops you at 2? Why exactly is the double so good? I haven't seen anyone explaining this.

  • @ZoniacMan
    @ZoniacMan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Hey Göran, as a new runner in a cold area of the world what would you say is needed gear wise to have fun jogging throught the autmn and winter?

    • @stalerhmen5867
      @stalerhmen5867 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Use light wind-braking pants and jackets, and you're fine. When it's below zero C degees I use sports wool underwear, over zero I use different technical underwear. Wool socks are used from 6-7 degrees C. When raining and cold, I have a light gore-tex jacket.

  • @E4zyp34zyl3m0nsq33ZY
    @E4zyp34zyl3m0nsq33ZY 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What lactate testing kit is that? How much is it ? Do you have any recommendations for getting one ?

  • @petar.physio
    @petar.physio 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is great and a lot of footballers looking to improve their cardio base would benefit from seeing this nice summary, keep up the great work! I’ll be sharing training and physio videos weekly feel free to check it out if you’re interested!

  • @portlandsound1
    @portlandsound1 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Some jerk made a comment about your teeth. Your teeth are fine. Nobody but that guy cares. Thank you for this content

  • @ramieskola7845
    @ramieskola7845 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    @5:40 into this video and still no description of 2 treshold training days. What are those tresholds? Some personal lactate numbers to train at? Are these (running) sessions at higher or lower speeds wtr targeted competitive speed?

  • @styx85
    @styx85 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Did you listen to the last episode of "I det lange løp" with Marius Bakken? Some good stuff in there about adapting the method to marathon training 🙃

    • @goranwinblad
      @goranwinblad  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes I did, yeah for sure, always interesting listening to Marius!

    • @axisofadvance666
      @axisofadvance666 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Any chance you could give us a rehash in a dedicated episode, about how to adapt this to training for the half and full marathon, please and thank you@@goranwinblad ? :) Also, a quick question: without using a dedicated lactate measuring device, but instead relying on the likes of Garmin and their algorithms, what % under the lactate threshold should we assume when starting double treshhold training? i.e. How far below the "reported" LT should we be, ideally? Thank you again for your amazing and super insightful content - sincerely appreciated.

  • @robertrepka1372
    @robertrepka1372 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Hello, it is interesting to hear that long sweetspot sessions (slightly below 4mmol) are beneficial for runners. But do you know how does it translates for cyclists where 80:20 is popular? Essencially, interval session in or above treshold?

    • @crosssprint
      @crosssprint 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was going to ask same question. gave me the idea of twice a day workout just under threshold or low sweetspot might work.

  • @alexrog1978
    @alexrog1978 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If I am not mistaken Norwegians also dominate cross-country skiing and really good in biathlon. Both are endurance sports more than anything else. Unfortunately, the majority of their athletes suffer from asthma and have to use inhalers. All are approved by IOC. Imagine how good they could’ve been if they were completely healthy. They would be impossible to defeat.

  • @steveo3831
    @steveo3831 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am sticking with my hGH and Tren program

  • @hitybuvi7075
    @hitybuvi7075 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pyramid intervals:
    Warm up 30 min
    1 min on
    1 min off
    2 min on
    1 min off
    3 min on
    1 min off
    3 min on
    1 min off
    2 min on
    1 min off
    1 min on
    1 min off
    Rest 10 mins and repeat 2 more times. Cool down for 30. Minutes on are in zone 3 or 4. Minutes off are in zone 1. Warmup and cool down zone 1 or 2.

  • @tabbygabe
    @tabbygabe 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what shoe would you recommend for trail running?

  • @stuartbird5139
    @stuartbird5139 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It would have been useful if you'd specified the heart rate intensity of the "controlled threshold" and sweetspot sessions. I assume its around 85% of heart rate max? on rhe bike sweetspot/sub threshold is usually 90% of ftp

  • @vlbz
    @vlbz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    People start to realize that volume beats the american movie style all out workouts. This is too complicated for regular peaople, but the idea is push yourself as much as possible while making sure you can repeat the next day.

  • @Gogalen789
    @Gogalen789 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not good enough for winter sports...well, have you thought about or considered track & field ?

  • @Gouranga552
    @Gouranga552 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So i've been doing double threshold with out looking into any of this stuff, i just felt i was making better gains doing 2 easier sessions than 1 intense one.

    • @paulnorman8274
      @paulnorman8274 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Running to work, and back, may just be the best approximation of elite training available, to us mere mortals....

  • @gregoryf9299
    @gregoryf9299 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm pretty sure many have done this; I remember reading that Kenyans trained this way back in the 80's/90's.

  • @MrPhibib
    @MrPhibib 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could you or someone provide the papers showing that treadmill running, specifically speed sessions, can help or be better than doing sessions outdoors

  • @imaristotle
    @imaristotle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    would recommend double threshold training for shorter races like 400 and 800?

  • @kijkbuis8575
    @kijkbuis8575 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Some nuance: this is athletes chasing performance. Train smart. Yes, in order to not get injured. But I would rather say: train fun. Sport is for fun! Performance could be fun, and what is fun depends on the person. For me, the treadmill for performance is not worth it.

    • @slowcyclist4324
      @slowcyclist4324 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And why would you do sports if it’s not for performance? Or for health and fitness gains?
      If folks wanted fun , what could be more enjoyable than would just spend all day on the sofa snacking with a game console or tv.
      Sports are PAINFUL and STRESSFUL activities, and I question the sanity of anyone do it for fun.
      If you’re going to be doing sports, it can only be for the purpose of a performance metric. So, isn’t it logical to choose the most efficient method to get there?

    • @sirwabaloo7930
      @sirwabaloo7930 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@slowcyclist4324because in the long term things that are hard are more “fun” than things that are easy.

    • @pete5691
      @pete5691 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@slowcyclist4324Agreed. This is about performance. Winning is fun but it takes hard work to win.

    • @anthropomorphousdodecahedr6504
      @anthropomorphousdodecahedr6504 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@slowcyclist4324 absolutely deranged take

    • @_Hugo.R.
      @_Hugo.R. 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@slowcyclist4324I think you would benefit tremendously from reading the book RUN by Matt Fitzgerald. It talks about how some of the worlds best runners (of their time) because this book is a little dated, would run by feel and would run based on fun and enjoyment of the run, which allowed them to not only run BETTER But also for more years than other athletes that didn’t enjoy their workouts and burnt out!

  • @cybermanne
    @cybermanne 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I've also read that blogpost. It's very interesting, to say the least. I thought one interesting thing worth noticing was that Jakob Ingebriktsen's dad seems to be claiming he didn't learn anything from Bakken. But Marius posted a lot of emails between them that showed how Ingebriktsen was totally trying to learn from Bakken. Now he seems to want to take all the glory for himself.
    I don't think Bakken said his sweet spot for the interval was significantly below his LT, I think what he meant was that his LT (and a lot of elite athletes) actually was lower than the 4mmol/l that is generally thought of as where the LT is.

  • @thijssmudde
    @thijssmudde 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @7:01 do you mean 5x6min with 2 min rest? I thought Threshold rest if normally 1/3 of the interval

  • @pete5691
    @pete5691 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have a question regarding speed. My best 400 was around 52 while training for 8000 meter race. How would one develop a young runners speed for races like the 1500? Do improvements in lactate tolerance and aerobic capacity improve speed as well indirectly?

    • @raymonddireito8794
      @raymonddireito8794 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m am just a hs athlete, so this prolly won’t even be helpful, but I don’t think that aerobic will help, but the lactate tolerance might have a decent effect, especially for the shorter distance races that call for more anaerobic stress.

  • @alexanderfriden6014
    @alexanderfriden6014 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can this be applied to other sport, for example cross-country skiing?
    //fellow swede

  • @MijnWeekendVlog
    @MijnWeekendVlog 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I believe Hunter McIntyre (hyrox world record holder) uses the norwegian training method principles a lot

  • @strengththenics8495
    @strengththenics8495 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice sir

  • @markbateman9222
    @markbateman9222 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the video - very interesting. But we have to beware of copying the methods of the current champion simply because they are the current champion! What works for one athlete might very well not work for another. And given the results of the last two championships at 1500 should you not do a post on the British method of 1500 training? And look at the methods used by Wightman and Kerr?

  • @Deffine
    @Deffine หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have you ever considered how Beta-alanine play into this as it increases lactate threshold? Maybe not relevant for longer distance, but studies show significant improvements in intensities around 60 sec mark. Dunno if it will help or transfer unto 1500m for example, but maybe it will help on the sprint part?

  • @TheAntoine191
    @TheAntoine191 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So basically there are 2 threshold days, an even faster day and then slow/long/recovery or the gigahertz intensity day replace one of the 2 threshold?

  • @liftingtime133
    @liftingtime133 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wonder if this could be applied to strength sports.

  • @gerrysecure5874
    @gerrysecure5874 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Its easy to measure anything. The art is to know when to do what how hard.
    Double threshold day is misleading. There are 2 thresholds LT1 and LT2. The first is above LT2 the other below LT1. Basically a fancy new name for polarization.
    Standardization has no special physical adaptation advantage. It's advantage is organizational because you can track what training has which effect by knowing what you exactly did and what you are going to do.

  • @MortenBendiksen
    @MortenBendiksen 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If using s treadmill, I always go on a slight incline. Otherwise it's so different from real running.

  • @kaiz3nberg
    @kaiz3nberg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Lol as a 5x marathoner who basically mostly trains on a treadmill this makes me happy. I was right! Lmao

  • @dsmith5940
    @dsmith5940 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How does this dovetail with Tabata protocol work? That would seem to be ‘the opposite of’ the Norwegian method, no? OR, is it somewhat like bulking vs shredding cycles in body-building - that there is a ‘stack’ of differing training emphases, at different points in a training cycle? 🤷🏼‍♂️