Just how batshit insane Ketheric was when he turned three of his children into grotesque undead monsters just for the price of returning one to live...
He didn’t even do it for Isobel. These three were cursed when Ketheric worshipped Shar and unleashed the shadow curse. It wasn’t until he started worshipping Myrkul that he could revive Isobel.
Wait, considering that at least Thisobald claims that he is the son of Thorm and calls Ketheric father, how do we knows that they are actually his siblings and that Thisobald is talking out of his ass? @@politecat9207
Unfortunately his teaching skill left somewhat to be desired, considering how they had at him. Similar to how faith is not such a good replacement for science.
There's even a book written by him stating how being vivisected by his pupils was always going to be his final lesson... At least his consistency is commendable
I would, if not for the fact that in his secret lab he talks about murdering a woman who was blackmailing him and stuffing her corpse in one of his ale barrels.
Being a warlock with 19 charisma and many persuasion perks I did this by accident, hadn't dawned on me I was talking my enemies to death I just assumed the town was suicidal.
Playing as a bardbarian it’s great. I made the toll house collecter exsplode due to lack of authority, out drank and out storied the massive alcoholic, and convinced the doctor to kill himself since we needed a demonstration.
Ketheric can be defeated with words... with correct series of previous decisions you can make him depressed, he throws himself into the pit immediately and you fight only the Myrkul skeleton.
Yeah I know about that it skips his fight and goes straight to the avatar of Myrkul. But the fight at the top of the Moonrise towers is unavoidable as far as I know.
@@RivenBelmont I just teleported to Nightsong, helped her out of lashes and she fucking rekt him and Myrkul avatar :D that girl has op radiant dmg and aoe aura :D
Killing Malus with conversation was one of my favorite moments in the game. In my run, I first got him to order his helpers to kill one another and then got him to do surgery on himself lol Brutal scene either way.
Me too lol I was like "hmm let's see what happens if I suggest him to serve as a practice dummy for his nurses", then he died and I was like "wth that's it?!" lmao
I'm still on this act and did that yesterday. The MUSIC that sounds there while he's on his own surgery to death is AMAZING! same as you, I think it's going to be one of the most memorable moments I'll have from this game!
@@jaweel6205 Yes. The healing process starts when you free the Nightsong. However, you don't get to see any actual changes in the terrain. You're just told that it will return to normal in time.
Can you save him? I never got an option to prevent him from getting his eyes gouged out. I freed him after the fight and the poor bastard took off running and sobbing in pain. Kinda seems like it would have been kinder to kill him after all that.
@@colingray8357 I didn't have the option to put him out of his misery either, at least not in dialogue. I agree though, killing Malus was intensely satisfying, dude skeeved me the fuck out.
@BestWayKilla you were able to let him out? My first playthrough it wouldn't let me. I could only kill him (nothing came of it and there was no dialog. I just didn't want to let him suffer)
bit weird tho, you enter a decaying tavern in the center of a cursed land with a monstrous bloated patron and you go straight at sitting at the bar and engaging in a drinking contest
im sorry i didnt know a land being cursed suddenly meant manners and proper bar etiquette no longer exist just cause the taverns decaying doesnt mean the drinks are (they usually are but whats reward without risk) who knows how old the wine is and for those prices youd be drop dead crazy not to drink.
At that point you have a zombielike undead and a vampire in your camp, the character in the video a drow (they have world class connections/knowledge with outer planar, undead and various other weirdo creatures) This chap is nothing strange or weird :D
Listen, up to this point you're fought talking walking brains, devils, mindflayers, goblins, a huge ass teleporting spider, murderous hyena deformities, a hobgoblin, ferocious gith a bulette, a spectator, duergar, piles of goo, one giant automaton, skeletons, shadows, wraiths, shadow dogs and the like, you're not supposed to be shocked by anything at this point lmao Especially if that "anything" offers you a drink 😅
A cool detail about the toll house is that when you defeat the gold thorm there, the stacks of 100 gold you pick up is separate from the rest of your gold. There’s a note or journal nearby talking about a counterfeit operation which explains why it’s separated, I’ve spent the counterfeit gold recently with no drawbacks so far
@@shadowldragoyou need to kill her ghost minions instead of damaging her, she takes damage when any of her minions die and her armor will crack into piles of gold when you do this. if you directly damage her, the gold coins are damaged in the process and become unusable i ended up around with 1000 bonus gold defeating her thiscway.
I was wondering why the note about counterfeits was on her corpse, though, you can combine all of the coins together so they definitely don't register as a different item or anything
Honestly thought I was gonna have to murder my way through them. Was really surprised when I could pay one, drink one under the table, and watch 6 year med students perform surgery.
I actually stumbled onto both Gerringothe and Malus entirely by chance when exploring the area, and both times I got through the initial persuasion checks but didn't hit on the last ones, so I had to fight both of them. The battles started out pretty badly for me both times, but I stuck it out and managed to beat both of them on the first go. Shadowheart in particular is very useful for the Malus fight, since Spirit Guardians with Radiant damage absolutely ruins the Sisters right quick. The rest of my level 7 party was Karlach, Lae'zel and my Ranger who handles equally well at melee and ranged, so threw in a few speed potions and we basically subjected Malus to a vicious gang assault to the tune of at least 3 hits a turn.
"I'll drink to that! I drink to everything, but especially to that!" My Monk character went booze-buff-monk because of this guy. I felt it only right because of the character and for his memory... and the bits still on my boots.
If you are cleric you can pray to your god to help you hold down your drink, with the last check literally promising your eternal soul to them in exchange for not vomiting. Even better when you are cleric of Lloth and promise that.
btw if you give the toll collector more gold I think she gives you a permanent buff, you can then take back that gold by killing her via normal means or by conversation
I talked Malus and Gerringothe into killing themselves. But with Thisobald I didn't even know it was an option. He looked so vile so after I got in I attacked one of his minions immediately. Wish I didn't :(
I did this and got kinda lucky because I wasn’t sure if it would even be possible. But before I even knew their story, I knew they shared their name with Ketheric which made me wary, and didn’t wanna fight them.
Once I reached level 12 I try to avoid combat, luckily there are items in the game that boost stats like charisma, intelligence and Dex for Lock picking while sneaking.
Drunk dude was quite tricky for me, since he's pretty much invulnerable to piercing, slashing & bludgeoning. Shadowheart had to almost solo that entire fight.
@@SunlessSage I got some barrel left in my inventory, so I hit his zombie at the entrance for aggro and kite him with gale cold build. He took a long time to choose where to go, due to 3 barrel blocking his way lol
While I love the encounters themselves, it's a shame that these three are basically completely detached from the plot. Particularly given they're the big bad's relatives. I guess tying them to the curse would be a bit cliche, but as it stands they're just kind of there for you to stumble into. I don't think either side mentions them at all before or afterwards. No quests really direct you towards them, and besides Thisobald potentially giving a lead to the Tomb none of them play any role in the greater narrative.
There are quests that point you to Thisobald and Malus! There's this Shadar-Kai necromancer named He Who Was who asks you to find a ledger in the distillery, and Halsin's quest to recruit him requires you to get Art Cullagh's lute off of Malus's body.
@@aaronjafri9004 Ah, my bad! I forgot about He Who Was. Though, defending my point still, the ledger is only related in the sense that it's in the Tavern, right? Thisobald himself has nothing to do with it. As for Art, fair play. Completely forgot about his letter. It still leaves Malus disconnected from the rest of the plot, but at least there's the implication he was involced with Art/Thaniel.
Heh, you rolled the dice well - lucky you. Why are developers so boring anyway? They didn’t even let me go under the surgeon’s knife myself. It's all too appropriate 🤫
Just how batshit insane Ketheric was when he turned three of his children into grotesque undead monsters just for the price of returning one to live...
Influence of the magical also had in effect on him.
He didn’t even do it for Isobel. These three were cursed when Ketheric worshipped Shar and unleashed the shadow curse. It wasn’t until he started worshipping Myrkul that he could revive Isobel.
I thought the Thorm's were his siblings, not his children. Isobel was his only child.
This doesn't make it better but they are his siblings, not his children. They just call him Father just because.
Wait, considering that at least Thisobald claims that he is the son of Thorm and calls Ketheric father, how do we knows that they are actually his siblings and that Thisobald is talking out of his ass? @@politecat9207
Looks like surgery guy really believed in the stuff he was saying. Gotta give it up to him for that.
if doctors didnt believe in what they believe, then they wouldnt be doctors
Unfortunately his teaching skill left somewhat to be desired, considering how they had at him. Similar to how faith is not such a good replacement for science.
There's even a book written by him stating how being vivisected by his pupils was always going to be his final lesson... At least his consistency is commendable
@@123890antonioj That's what I love so much about this game. Everyone cares about something and has a dimension past just being a bad guy.
NGL I felt so bad for Thisobald, dude was great listener and drinking buddy...
I would, if not for the fact that in his secret lab he talks about murdering a woman who was blackmailing him and stuffing her corpse in one of his ale barrels.
@@FireTalon24well snitches get stitches
The character design in this part was off the charts
Im actually mad at the game for not letting me wear the surgeons hat. I want his goddamn hat!
@@PTHYTQVthere’s a mod
Being a warlock with 19 charisma and many persuasion perks I did this by accident, hadn't dawned on me I was talking my enemies to death I just assumed the town was suicidal.
Bro saaaame i killed 2 out of the 3 just by roasting one so hard he exploded and the other drank himself to death
I mean...wouldn’t you be if you were this screwed up?
Playing as a bardbarian it’s great. I made the toll house collecter exsplode due to lack of authority, out drank and out storied the massive alcoholic, and convinced the doctor to kill himself since we needed a demonstration.
Ketheric can be defeated with words... with correct series of previous decisions you can make him depressed, he throws himself into the pit immediately and you fight only the Myrkul skeleton.
Yeah I know about that it skips his fight and goes straight to the avatar of Myrkul. But the fight at the top of the Moonrise towers is unavoidable as far as I know.
Wait is there suppose to be a fight with him before ? i only had to fight Myrkul
yeah and it was pain@@Killeuracr
@@Killeuracr I think if you kill his daughter he will fight you...
@@RivenBelmont I just teleported to Nightsong, helped her out of lashes and she fucking rekt him and Myrkul avatar :D that girl has op radiant dmg and aoe aura :D
I defeated them all with Bard without any encounter. Nothing could prepare them against my shitty poems, ballads and PERSUADE SKILL +7
Talk-no-jutsu backed by high Charisma is a hell of a drug.
Man this game felt so dark souls.. from their design to the ambience
I thought that too! The whole area gave me such a massive "souls vibe"
Shar worship, not even once.
*Shadowheart Dissaproves*
Shar never gave Kerheric what he wanted and a quasi deity Myrkul did.
@@Lizzardtong she’s been reeeeal quiet since we got to the shadowlands 👀
@@thatindiandude4602 Sure, but all three children are results of Shar's shadow curse, Myrkul didn't do that.
Killing Malus with conversation was one of my favorite moments in the game. In my run, I first got him to order his helpers to kill one another and then got him to do surgery on himself lol Brutal scene either way.
Me too lol I was like "hmm let's see what happens if I suggest him to serve as a practice dummy for his nurses", then he died and I was like "wth that's it?!" lmao
I'm still on this act and did that yesterday. The MUSIC that sounds there while he's on his own surgery to death is AMAZING! same as you, I think it's going to be one of the most memorable moments I'll have from this game!
Can you cure the shadow curse lands before leaving act 2?
@@jaweel6205 Yes. The healing process starts when you free the Nightsong. However, you don't get to see any actual changes in the terrain. You're just told that it will return to normal in time.
@@FearTheVikingYT halsin was all sad and stayed at moonrise when I left
The Malus death by his minions was incredibly satisfying, wish I could have saved the guy my first playthrough though
Can you save him? I never got an option to prevent him from getting his eyes gouged out. I freed him after the fight and the poor bastard took off running and sobbing in pain. Kinda seems like it would have been kinder to kill him after all that.
@@BestWayKilla If that's the case it might be better to let him die, regardless I feel bad.
@@colingray8357 I didn't have the option to put him out of his misery either, at least not in dialogue. I agree though, killing Malus was intensely satisfying, dude skeeved me the fuck out.
@BestWayKilla you were able to let him out? My first playthrough it wouldn't let me. I could only kill him (nothing came of it and there was no dialog. I just didn't want to let him suffer)
@@BooTeaCheeks When I approached him on the table after the boss fight, The only options I had were to undo his restraints or leave.
I am pretty sure I can understand why Ketheric never talks about his son Thisobald.
Seems like a jovial drinking buddy
Thisobald is a real tragic character if you read some of the diaries/journals of what happened to him made me dislike ketheric's character a lot
@@gerardoalvarado8425 I never found any related to him, were they in the tavern or somewhere else?
@@mizu7662 In the building where you go to before entering Shar's temple
@@gerardoalvarado8425 The Thorm family tomb? I didn't find anything related to him in there.
bit weird tho, you enter a decaying tavern in the center of a cursed land with a monstrous bloated patron and you go straight at sitting at the bar and engaging in a drinking contest
im sorry i didnt know a land being cursed suddenly meant manners and proper bar etiquette no longer exist just cause the taverns decaying doesnt mean the drinks are (they usually are but whats reward without risk) who knows how old the wine is and for those prices youd be drop dead crazy not to drink.
Part of the fun in a way, don't judge a book by its cover.
At that point you have a zombielike undead and a vampire in your camp, the character in the video a drow (they have world class connections/knowledge with outer planar, undead and various other weirdo creatures) This chap is nothing strange or weird :D
Seems about as upbeat as a normal pub in Wessex. Although the people in this game are much happier.
Listen, up to this point you're fought talking walking brains, devils, mindflayers, goblins, a huge ass teleporting spider, murderous hyena deformities, a hobgoblin, ferocious gith a bulette, a spectator, duergar, piles of goo, one giant automaton, skeletons, shadows, wraiths, shadow dogs and the like, you're not supposed to be shocked by anything at this point lmao Especially if that "anything" offers you a drink 😅
I love how you can pretty much tell bosses to kill themselves and they actually do it.
I am always so torn: These are fun fights but I adore them as dialogue encounters. Especially the bar is so insanely satisfying as a conversation.
I feel like my greatest accomplishment throughout my playthrough was managing to talk my way out of all those bosses without inspiration
A cool detail about the toll house is that when you defeat the gold thorm there, the stacks of 100 gold you pick up is separate from the rest of your gold. There’s a note or journal nearby talking about a counterfeit operation which explains why it’s separated, I’ve spent the counterfeit gold recently with no drawbacks so far
I've been unable to pick up those stacks of gold. Any idea why?
@@shadowldragoyou need to kill her ghost minions instead of damaging her, she takes damage when any of her minions die and her armor will crack into piles of gold when you do this.
if you directly damage her, the gold coins are damaged in the process and become unusable
i ended up around with 1000 bonus gold defeating her thiscway.
@@lunarezlycablood1838 I never attacked her, I just logic bombed her into oblivion.
you can just combine the stacks in your inventory. its not counterfeit.
I was wondering why the note about counterfeits was on her corpse, though, you can combine all of the coins together so they definitely don't register as a different item or anything
Gold girl can give you one of most powerful items in game to turn ppl into gold once. Works even on bosses
Did all of these by accident, expecting an epic fight only to find out these guys were just looking for an excuse to check out.
I like how if you want to you can convince almost every enemy in this game to either let you go or sometimes flat out kill themselves
Thisobald's fight mechanics are so cool though, i had such fun fighting him. And then i find you can do this. This game i swear
I LOVED these bosses in the game cuz they were all so RE Village/Silent Hill inspired
very true, i thought the same!
When I first got to act 2 I was a little shocked "Is this a horror game now??"
@@yahyahyorThe shadow cursed lands kinda are indeed :)
Honestly thought I was gonna have to murder my way through them. Was really surprised when I could pay one, drink one under the table, and watch 6 year med students perform surgery.
I gave a single gold piece and realized it was a scam so I talked my way out and she just died lol
i actually did this by pure accident, it was just fun talking to them, i didnt even know they are boss fights xDDD
damn bards
Omg same but I never met the brewer. I talked my way out of the doctor and toll collector
Did all three of them the first run through on accident, was absolutely stunned that each time we got them to kill themselves
I actually stumbled onto both Gerringothe and Malus entirely by chance when exploring the area, and both times I got through the initial persuasion checks but didn't hit on the last ones, so I had to fight both of them. The battles started out pretty badly for me both times, but I stuck it out and managed to beat both of them on the first go. Shadowheart in particular is very useful for the Malus fight, since Spirit Guardians with Radiant damage absolutely ruins the Sisters right quick. The rest of my level 7 party was Karlach, Lae'zel and my Ranger who handles equally well at melee and ranged, so threw in a few speed potions and we basically subjected Malus to a vicious gang assault to the tune of at least 3 hits a turn.
I chose ranger also but I multiclassed into Druid also
The music for Malus's scene is so good
"I'll drink to that! I drink to everything, but especially to that!" My Monk character went booze-buff-monk because of this guy. I felt it only right because of the character and for his memory... and the bits still on my boots.
there’s a way to have ketheric’s dog be your friend and not fight you at the top of Moonrise Tower
Anyone else reminded of Monty Python's Meaning of Life?
lol i didnt even know these three were bossfights in my first run, i got all of the diplomatic "kills"
I SEE THAT LACK OF HORNS ON WYLL'S HEAD. YOU KILLED HER, DIDN'T YOU?!
Two of the three I was able to Words-no-Jutsu my way to victory, Thisobald was the only one I fought.
I word no jutsu thisobald and the other one but the gold woman, i failed the check and i was too lazy to reload .
If you are cleric you can pray to your god to help you hold down your drink, with the last check literally promising your eternal soul to them in exchange for not vomiting. Even better when you are cleric of Lloth and promise that.
On my first run i remember kicking them via dialogue all three and burst out laughing about it
Just your average Monday noon in a Scottish pub.
When you're too charsimatic, you convince the boss the take their own life for you.
Thisobald reminds me of the roman governor boss from Clive Barker's Jericho, especially with that stitch on his belly
btw if you give the toll collector more gold I think she gives you a permanent buff, you can then take back that gold by killing her via normal means or by conversation
I talked Malus and Gerringothe into killing themselves. But with Thisobald I didn't even know it was an option. He looked so vile so after I got in I attacked one of his minions immediately. Wish I didn't :(
I did this and got kinda lucky because I wasn’t sure if it would even be possible. But before I even knew their story, I knew they shared their name with Ketheric which made me wary, and didn’t wanna fight them.
Bard can fake drinking. Otherwise, talk-nojutsu is my bard’s specialty.
As a fighter I couldnt do nothing else but have a drink and tell stories during the bar scene
This games side characters are more enthralling than some other games main stories.
Absolute masterpiece
Thiso is my favorite NPC in this whole game. Next to Popper, ofc.
Is it me or they're kind of inspired by bloodborne (church of healing) and Dark Souls of Smoug??? I love them all three are such a cool concept
It's not just you, I got the same vibe
Malus Thorm a real one
Once I reached level 12 I try to avoid combat, luckily there are items in the game that boost stats like charisma, intelligence and Dex for Lock picking while sneaking.
This is literally how I dealt with all of them xD They didnt attack me right away so I just went with it.
you can convince malus to have his nurses all kill each other and then himself
Pure awesomeness
Why they all look like Dark Souls/Bloodborne/Elden Ring bosses?
Me killing all of them without knowing you can talk to them xd
We need more games where talk no jutsu is a choice.
I battled them all on my 1st run, on my 2nd playthrough I was an Elven Bard, aced all my rolls and they kindly rolled over and died for me.
I was trying to "double xp" by talking them down and then backstabbing. Out oh nowhere all of them suicided
I indeed did not fight any of those guys , they just died
Wait where these supposed to people of significance? I was just exploring and ended up running into them and talking into suicide.
Thisobald was the homie. Rip bro fr
Did it, with asterion, hope it would unlock an achievement, also hoped it would work on Ketheric 😅 boy was I wrong 😑
at least it gives him inspiration
I talked my way around the toll collector and the doctor, then i killed the drunk dude. Honestly he the easiest one to kill for me
Drunk dude was quite tricky for me, since he's pretty much invulnerable to piercing, slashing & bludgeoning. Shadowheart had to almost solo that entire fight.
@@SunlessSage I got some barrel left in my inventory, so I hit his zombie at the entrance for aggro and kite him with gale cold build. He took a long time to choose where to go, due to 3 barrel blocking his way lol
I've set to see an actual combat video of these 3.
So who are those sickos exactly?
What happens if you do not defeat those guys? They cannot possibly appear in the Ketheric fight. Even on their own those are monsters.
You die
Damn my 1st playthrough i missed/ didnt know about the 1st guy but got the other 2 LOL MAN the xp i lost 😢
CHUG CHUG CHUG
While I love the encounters themselves, it's a shame that these three are basically completely detached from the plot. Particularly given they're the big bad's relatives. I guess tying them to the curse would be a bit cliche, but as it stands they're just kind of there for you to stumble into. I don't think either side mentions them at all before or afterwards. No quests really direct you towards them, and besides Thisobald potentially giving a lead to the Tomb none of them play any role in the greater narrative.
There are quests that point you to Thisobald and Malus! There's this Shadar-Kai necromancer named He Who Was who asks you to find a ledger in the distillery, and Halsin's quest to recruit him requires you to get Art Cullagh's lute off of Malus's body.
@@aaronjafri9004 Ah, my bad! I forgot about He Who Was. Though, defending my point still, the ledger is only related in the sense that it's in the Tavern, right? Thisobald himself has nothing to do with it.
As for Art, fair play. Completely forgot about his letter. It still leaves Malus disconnected from the rest of the plot, but at least there's the implication he was involced with Art/Thaniel.
Heh, you rolled the dice well - lucky you. Why are developers so boring anyway? They didn’t even let me go under the surgeon’s knife myself. It's all too appropriate 🤫
i don't get it , gerringothe thorm attacks me on sight , why?
I didn't find the toll collector
Sadly you not getting achivments for making them kill themselfs.
i think i made two get killed,well,not by my hand and one through combat which was the chunky gold lady
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