Radioactive Autopsy - The Cecil Kelley Criticality Accident
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ค. 2024
- At 6 AM on New Year’s Day, 1959, Dr. Clarence Lushbaugh began an autopsy. He was about to open up one Cecil Kelley, and remove eight pounds of his organs, muscles, tissues, and bone. He put these tissues, including Kelley’s brain, in a few hastily gathered mayonnaise jars, and took them back to his lab for analysis. This is the true story…
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Man if someone desiccated my loved one then said “God gave me permission” they would’ve been personally meetin him in the next few minutes.
My first thought after hearing that was “I wish that man was still alive so I could break his jaw”
What would be learned from the testing of organs from an exposure like that would be valuable. He was basically jelly. He should have asked and explained why. It was something that needed to be examined. Mayonnaise jars though, its a freaking lab and thats all he could find.
Desicated? Did you mean dissected? Autofill, I presume.
@@1014p I think people are getting freaked out on little stuff like the Hellman's jars (great name, hunh?) and forgetting the big picture. An industrial accident happened causing life-ending injuries to a worker. Such accidents have to be evaluated and studied so as to prevent more of the same from happening to anyone else.
Rather than focus on the aspect of the doctor removing tissue, violating the poor victim's body, one might consider him like an organ donor. Maybe one day his tragic loss and study of the radiation damage could save countless other lives. Just as one motorcyclist (organ donor) can possibly save 2-3 liver transplant recipients, 2 kidney donors, corneal and eye transplants, skin, bone and connective tissues can help reconstruct a number of others, too. Out of tragedy, hope and life can flower. If we want to get angry about it, fine, there's lots of reasons to be. But if you ask me, there's a huge amount of good, too. Maybe if the truth came out, and along with the paltry few million the victim's families had to split in the civil settlement they and their lost loved ones received the thanks of a grateful and sympathetic world, we could find something like a silver (though still slightly radioactive) lining to this dark cloud.
@Don Cely have you heard of medical ethics? By your rationale, a great many things could be done to other humans if it serves a "greater good." This is a slippery slope indeed, which is why informed consent is so important.
When you find yourself carrying a mayonnaise jar with some guy's brain in it, it's time to seriously question your life choices.
It's not like brain owner will need it.
They'd have to be a microcephalic to be able to get their brain into a jar.
@@ScooterZn Nah, you just need a bigger jar
Why? What's wrong with pathologists?
I could understand if it was in a Mountain Dew bottle. But Mayonnaise, that’s just sick!
The fact that Cecil was still talking and consoling his wife and giving her instruction to care for their children, all while his insides were turning to goop, were liquefied, shows that he was EXTREMELY strong of will. What a bad ass father. No crying for salvation, just, "I will die. I need to console my wife." Outstanding.
He may have known he already had salvation; we should.
I agree he was a strong, very brave man. This has always been one of the saddest radiation accidents imo.
Man was made of steel. Although I think if I were in his place, I'd want to console my partners, too.
Bravery was very common back in those days, both in men and women. The greatest generation was strong and perseverent, unlike today's spineless crybabies who need safe spaces and worry about their "feelings" every waking moment. RIP to Cecil Kelley : a true man, husband, father and patriot.
@@SevenSixTwo2012 Cecil Kelley didn't melt from the inside out so you could call people "spineless crybabies" on the internet. He'd be mortified that you used his unimaginable suffering to justify pointless mockery.
@@abc-wv4in We should? Should what?
I am KDS4444. I created the diagram of the mixing vessel's vortex used in this video, and I created and wrote most of the extant Wikipedia article on this incident. The whole thing still brings me to tears.
Well done, Kyle.
The thing is, there are currently nearly 5,000 comments on this video... Diem perdidi.
bump! hope he can see this!
Yours is now the 5th one on my feed from iOS mobile sorted by top comments
You don’t have to lie just to look cool on the internet. You are NOT KDS4444 and you didn’t create the mixing vessel vortex diagram. Liar
hey man dont know if your still active on this channel but id like to ask if you have any info on cecil's wife being at his bedside as kyle says in the video since i can only find info on her only being notified after he had died and she didnt even know he had been hit with ratiation while he was still alive. i also find it strange that in a place so top secret they would even allow a bedside visit to take place.
"The human plutonium injection experiments" sounds like some of the most unethical science experiments ever done. Thank you for sharing this story, Kyle.
I think unit 731 takes the cake for that honestly
This happened after the WWII Mengele experiments. Seems no superpower regime kept their hands clean.
Mengele's experiments during WWII probably qualify as the most unethical and horrific of all time, although Japan's Unit 731 is a close second. (They did vivisections of prisoners who were alive and awake, among other atrocities.) But for the US alone the Tuskegee experiments were probably the most unethical. African-American men infected with syphilis were not only untreated (penicillin existed already), they were lied to and told they _had_ been treated. This went on for _40 years_, until someone leaked information about the experiments to the press, and at least 128 of the men in the experiments died thanks to them.
Apparently, USA starved to death between 9 and 15 million Germans after WWII also.. There's an insane amount of atrocities to find if you dig, on all sides of the conflicts.
@@grimfpv292 Government is the single largest cause of death in history.
“it was mush” i think is the most disturbing part of this. The fact that someones body can get to that point and them still be alive is horrifying.
yeah, right? We humans are weird, at times we are the most fragile of all mammals, and then whe can survive and be conscious for a few hours with parts of our bodies being turned into mush because of gamma rays.
That part made me so fucking uneasy...
Makes me want to eat a nice Moon Pie.
@@RCAvhstape -me too....
@dylan what is the name of that documentary bro is it on TH-cam?
14:57 Having worked extensively with scientists, if they would have just asked the family for permission to run the experiments, I bet the family would have consented. Really sad they didn't have enough respect for their colleague to ask the family and get permission.
Based on some of the grosser comments on this video, the prevailing attitude seems to be “better to ask forgiveness than permission” and “the ends justify the means”. There’s a reason the evil scientist bent on discovery no matter the cost trope exists. The movie Extreme Measures made in 1996 is about this same ethical debate.
@@IsaRican810 I think that in the case where the means don't have an actual impact on anyone, the ends do justify the means(because the means aren't that bad).
The plutonium injection experiments are completely different, and are bad. But taking sample from a dead body(that you had no hand in its death), whose organs can't be used to directly used, for the sake of saving people causes no harm at all.
@@joenelson4193 If they do an autopsy that the relatives agreed to, I would agree that taking samples for research is okay, it should be stated clearly what amount would be taken. Some general notice in the papers like "up to 100g of internal tissue samples may be taken for ressearch purposes" would suffice imo. But if I wanted my deceased relatives not to be cut open, they shouldn't be cut open.
@@LuLeBe I just see it as a dead body, I don't really care what happens to it and it doesn't impact you(unless you place unwarranted value on a dead body, allowing yourself to be burdened mentally).
@@joenelson4193 To the family, it's more than just a dead body. It's the body of a father, a son, a husband, and a friend. From the outset, you are as dead now as you will be in a billion years. You are just a bunch of matter in a shape you assign meaning to, and while you are currently capable of doing things with some illusion of autonomy so is a river as it carves out a ravine. There were people who assigned meaning to that body in the same way you do to yourself, and there is an amount of respect they should have been provided as a result.
I grew up in Los Alamos. My father works there. They didn’t clean up the radioactive dumping ground known as “Acid Canyon” until I was in middle school (2010s). The run off leads right to the Rio Grande. In my experience, the money and power given to the scientists at Los Alamos still gives them a god complex and unbreakable loyalty to the lab. There are generations of families working there that carry the legacy and, unfortunately, the apathy to fellow human beings that you just saw in the video.
I stumbled on this and scrolled the comments to see if any other "kids of LA" stumbled on it too. Hi, I too, grew up there (from 70's era) isn't it creepy to know that we all ran those dirty canyons care free while our parents had jobs that we all just were taught "He works at the lab."? In fact I don't think parent career day existed in school back then. 😂
@@taniahuff832 it’s good to meet another Los Alamos kid! And yes, my father still works for the lab and I have no idea what he does. I still couldn’t bring him in for career day 😂 when you were up there did you have the FBI showing up at your door asking questions because a neighbor was getting a Q clearance? Or was that more a post 9/11 thing? The stuff going on up there was and still continues to be ridiculous. Unfortunately I’ve also met a lot of “labbies” who were indifferent or down right negligent to their kids because the lab filled up their whole life. Hopefully your situation growing up there was a little better.
I grew up in Los Alamos and have no idea what you are talking about? God complex? Doesn't describe the scientist I know...
@@ianjohnson7646you are too deluded to see it
@Sceptonic I think you’re deluded for making inferences about someone you don’t even know
"God gave me permission"
"....Right, you're going to have to show us that memo"
I wonder if roasting in Hell he regrets that statement?
@@TheMythandLegend I don’t believe in hell but stories like this make me hope I’m wrong
As much as I hate to think it, regardless of the morals of his actions, he was dead, and the knowledge gained is litterly the basis for our understanding of mass radiation exposure today. I van fault him, but would I have stoped him myself given a chance? No.
@@NPCGamerGuys That's a completely different argument- he never claimed some Utilitarian/ Greater good principle. He claimed a deity gave him PERMISSION to do such a thing.
If a man prioritises a voice in his head over law then he is a danger to those around him.
"Sir, why did you stab this man fourteen times?"
"It's okay officer, my imaginary friend Roger gave me permission".
clarence: “don’t worry, i have a permit”
cecil’s family: “this just says ‘i can do what i want’”
Isn't that in a movie too? Lol
@@happyfacefries A show, Parks and Recreation.
Literally the "I made the fuck up" source guy
"Well then, Mr Clerence... Guess what "god" just gave ME permission to do. I'll give you a hint, you will not enjoy it and it will not be over quickly."
I grew up in Albuquerque. My dad worked at Los Alamos, Kirtland AFB, and later at the Hanford Site in WA.
He was a geologist. He drilled out massive cores of the earth’s surface to be tested for radioactive material as well as other purposes.
I’ve seen some of the huge earth cores. They were as long as a semi truck trailer, and piled as high.
My dad said he never drilled a core that wasn’t contaminated. My dad had cancer three times, the third case was very sadly his last.
The federal government sent him tiny little checks to reimburse him for the healthcare costs. To get the checks he had to have both a DOE contracted doctor and a private doctor examine his case and determine that yes, his cancer was a result of his work at those sites.
These people contaminated the entire earth by testing nuclear weapons.
The earth’s leaders have since tested over 2000 nuclear bombs and counting. This gross shortsightedness has changed life and death for all living things forever.
That’s what our taxes pay for. Deception and death.
It infuriates me that so few make these decisions that will alter lives of so many! It happens way too often!
I am a 63 year old xray tech and ALARA rules of radiation protection were YEARS away. I've had cancer twice, ages 40 and 53. They told us we were being "monitored ", like that was our protection. Then they send me a survey to do with bloodwork I have to pay for on my own and send to them
YEA RIGHT F.U.NRC
What power do we regular folk have to stop it?
@@1snivy10the power of revolution and violence en masse, the government fears us, and rightly so. If 500k people marched on DC it things would change. That’s why they try and keep this shit secret as long as they can.
@@1snivy10 none
Man! Cecil Kelly took one HELL of a wallop of Gamma rays and neutrons directly to his head and center body mass. I couldn't even IMAGINE how that felt physically AND mentally. And then mentally again after he figured out what had actually happened, and knew of his fate to come. An ordeal like that would be an extremely horrible thing for any human to have to experience.
R.I.P. Cecil. 😞
4,000 rads is seven or eight times the lethal dose.
@@taraswertelecki3786 No. 4000 Rads is approximately 4 times the lethal dose.
1000 or more Rads is the dose rate that is considered to be the "Lethal dose rate" for a human being, although people HAVE survived more.
500 Rads is what's considered to be the dose rate for the onset of symptoms of "Acute Radiation Sickness".
@@davelowets Sorry, not true. Any health physicist will tell you that 1,000 rads is way beyond the lethal dose, and you'll be dead in less than ten days, two weeks at the most.
@@taraswertelecki3786 Umm, OK... Think what you want to think. I dont care..
I don't like it when you make the screen black for a long period of time, my face is the scariest thing you could possibly show me
I always think the video is lagging then i tap the screen and accedently pause the vid
I can agree with YOUR statement about YOUR face
Ooooh self burn!
Shhhh be kind to you warrior, relish the moments you get to look deep into your own soul in spontaneous self reflection.
god gave you a few seconds to reflect upon yourself
These are just the stories that we KNOW about. I shudder to think about what we don't know.
The scariest thing is not what you know, or what you don't know. There are things that you know, and things you _know_ that you _don't_ know... But we vastly underestimate the size of our ignorance...
The scariest thing is the thing _you don't know_ that you don't know...
The monsters you don't know you have to fear. The stories you don't know you haven't listened. The horrors you haven't even paused to imagine...
The darkness is full of answers.
Answers without questions.
@@DonVigaDeFierro poetic, seriously
Movie, "Gosnell - Americans worst serial killer" --------- for damned sure not many yanks know about this true story.
The way you say that reminds me of the DUGA-2
My ex’s dad worked at los alamos. I wish I had cool stories but I don’t.
It’s horrifying to think about how many cruel and unethical experiments have taken place that we don’t and never will know about. Had it not been for one journalist coming across those documents this whole thing would have never been exposed. I’m 100% sure there are thousands of past and current horrible human experiments going on all over the world, the vast majority of we will never hear about nor will the victims get justice.
thank you for introducing us to the concept of "exploding radioactive diarrhea"
I guess you could say It's a dirty bomb
Imagine wiping afterwards.
Can we talk about how key Eilee Welsome was in this? She singlehandedly did the deep-diving necessary to bring a cruel, concealed practice to light. Serious applause to her and her work.
Back when journalists weren’t just propagandists.
@Skyblade12
If you think there was ever a time journalists weren't propagandists, I invite you to look at the entire history of propaganda in media.
@@Skyblade12 you are 16
@@Skyblade12 tbf, many journalists who do great work exposing terrible crimes can lose their lives when whoever they reported on catches wind of it and sends assassins.
Yes, it happens. I can’t blame them for not wanting to expose shit when they’re at risk of being killed
@@squidyplays1963 probably younger
Is anyone else loving these mini docuseries episodes Kyle is doing??
Cause I know I am.
Yeah that's why the upvote system is a thing.
They are interesting and get to the point. Not like some you would see on TV.
Yep yep
Yeah, they are absolutely fantastic. So well made.
they hit...DIFFERENT.
I think what surprises me the most about this is how (from the timeline in the video) Cecil lived for another 10 hours after his wife described his insides as "mush". Yeah those 10 hours were no doubt torture-- but you'd kinda expect for his body to completely shut down WAY sooner considering just how high of a dose he'd taken straight to the head/chest
I grew up in Los Alamos in the 90's and had never heard of this. The Demon Core was almost common knowledge but this really was covered up. If only they had just asked Cecil Kelley or his family to study the effects of this accident. I don't expect Cecil to say "No cremate me so I can spread my radioactive bone mush in the air rather than further our knowledge to protect ourselves from this.".
alot of people wouldve said yes to that because of what they saw. they saw their family suffer at the hands of a radioactive incident, and if letting scientists study the body will help people avoid the same fate, it would be an offer thats hard to turn down
Me: "I like the color blue."
Discount Thor: "I can change that."
Radiation burns like that are like a bad sunburn but through your entire body Which has very sensitive tissues such as bone marrow
Most of your cells are “dead” and can’t repair themselves.
The neutrophils get replaced every six hours so they go fast and so do red blood cells which rely on the bone marrow to replace them every 120 days.
Your stomach and gastric cells are very often replaced to stop them from being damaged by enzymes and acid in the stomach and intestines. These will die very quickly from the radiation.
Lungs are also quite sensitive due to their structure.
So basically if you see a blue flash in a nuclear zone
Your organs will melt quickly.
Muscles and skin can work fine after the initial burns but will fail eventually
Imagine if someone made a gamma ray weapon that would shoot a beam of radiation in one direction
@@captainahab5522 "imagine if someone made a gamma ray weapon that would shoot a beam in one direction".
Man, that would be the worst. Much, much worse than atomic bombs.
If a country manages to succeeds in making such a device, they could mount it on a satellite 🛰 and assassinate political rivals(and other people) from space.
There would be no defence from such a weapon,no warning, nothing,not until its too late.
@@captainahab5522 And this is relevant to my comment... how? Like, yeah it's factually correct, but... there are a million othe comments you could've posted this to and it would've been better fitting. this is just an exposition dump, dumped on my joke comment.
@@AJ-jq3hm yeah
I was imagining a rocket launcher like thing, but a satellite mounted one would be absolutely terrifying
Just imagine a government building where the people are talking about something political and one starts sweating and then more of them
One rushes out of the room and throws up and another breaks down with a burning fever
They all die within a week.
A device like that could be fuels by a dissolved plutonium salt and cooled with water
There was a plan to make a laser like that using a nuclear bomb but that is impractical.
A dense non metallic material could focus the beam
@@AJ-jq3hm Just like a dude said
"We're gonna reach a point where the conventional weapons are as deadly and destructive as the nuclear ones"
“God gave me permission” is a remarkably scary quote... holy shit...
the ends justify the means i guess
@@aiden-sy3ex no it doesn't
@@aiden-sy3ex no it fuckin doesn't.
He was dead. His body held the answers we needed. I'd call that a job well done.
Everything else including the "god" response was pretty disgusting.
@@aggressivereindeer3200 the means didn't have to happen as they did. They could have at least asked permission, and probably gotten it. Tell their family that the body will be used for the scientific research.
Edit: permission isn't required, actually, because of how many lives it would save. Instead telling the family should at least be enough, along with compensation perhaps.
If doing bad causes good, but there is a morally superior option that is less bad, anyone who does the latter should be hated.
The most fascinating thing about Cecils scenario is that if he wasn't standing on the footstool and staring into the vessel, he may not have recieved the fatal dose of radiation.
If he was anywhere near that vessel, the burst of radiation would have killed him. If the tank was critical for a long enough period, the blast of radiation could have been fatal to everyone else in the building with him.
@@taraswertelecki3786that’s not actually how it works. Sometimes (and in this case) radiation moves in straight line. You are correct that most of the time it’s an explosion that goes everywhere. But there’s rare cases where radiation only hits a certain spot. Can’t remember his name but there’s a case where a huge amount of radiation only passed though his face. He actually lived a long life, but has health problems. And half his face never aged. Anatoli Bugorski. I went ahead and looked up his name. Worth the study it’s an interesting case.
Add that with the screwdriver
@taraswertelecki3786 to my understanding, radiation is, well, radiating. Therefore, the closer you are to a criticality, especially without any barriers to absorb it, the danger increases exponentially.
My grandfather's younger brother worked on the Manhattan Project, assembling the bomb. He said that he thought the soldiers were being experimented on without their knowledge. Now I understand that he wasn't kidding or being paranoid.
Viewers: How much are you gonna scare us about radioactivity?
Kyle: Yes!
Tbh i'm more scare of Humans than Radioactivity
@@MartoRoss
this really reminds me of Hunter ✖️ Hunter
*Plainly Difficult has joined the chat*
well a death by acute radiation syndrome does sound like one of the worst ways to die so yes, i am scared af lol
well, as the great evil scientist I am, I use a lot of radioactive substances in my inators
my obliteratinator uses almost 500 IBS of polonium
That moment when you realize many science fiction tropes have actual horrifying realities
Psychopaths gets degrees too
Blue Sky Beams 😨😨
There is no nightmare that humans can imagine that we can’t create.
I read "The Plutonium Files" and what was done to the victims is appalling and disgusting. Especially appalling was what happened to a young boy from Australia. In all justice those at the upper levels of the experiments should have been prosecuted.
As someone with diagnosed ADHD, I'm always 100% paying attention and able to follow the your whole videos. I appreciate the way you explain the science with diagrams and precise images. Also the subtle music in the background really helps but never distracts. Wish i had you as a teacher for science growing up. I save all your videos and one day when i hope to teach others with ADHD/ADD i can use them. Much love and respect! Keep it up!
As someone with ADD I can 100% agree
Another person with ADHD chiming in, and I third this opinion
I'm getting diagnosed with ASD and maybe have ADD/ADHD too, and I gotta say, I agree. I learned more in these videos than I did in school.
Yessir
Me to im retired now 69 im thinking back lateley about life how i differ from others life was hard sometimes . but it gave me insight about others and i found most people are worse than i am ha ha.
These mini-docs are both fascinating and also disturbing. Thank you for making them.
GAGAGAGAGAAGAG this is wonderful! PRANK! It is terrible! I looked in the mirror and saw something UNPRETTY: my face. GAGAGAGAG! But I am happy again because I have TWO HOT GIRLFRIENDS and I make cool YT videos with them! Good evening, love and peace, dear cris
@@AxxLAfriku sometimes i wish the world went into a nucelar war 40 years ago.
@@vasudevsivadas4526 we can all relate im sure
@@AxxLAfriku Cursed comment
Did you mean "thanks I hate it"
"God gave me permission" may as well mean "God didn't stop me"
i think he was just refering to his own morality and i still think he did the right thing
@@umocnicdiscographydictumri4578 it is quite a controversial topic. On the long run yes his way might have had positive effects on future scientific studies but on the short run what he did was truly unethical and way beyond the boundaries of ethics we have built around us. History has indeed shown that sometimes the most unethical decision is the best one in the long run however in certain scenarios the consequences in the short run might outweigh the results of the long run...now that is simply an opinion don't go hard on it
@@Noobscodee I agree but would add that if we want that kind of progress than the masses shouldn't be informed or at the most be given very small bits of information enough to satiate their hunger and to keep them under control
@@sajadhoxhaj6603 Yeah, I don't support his decision at all to do what he did, especially without permission - I think he was in the wrong for how it was done.
Although for the actual act, there is an argument to be made that it is worthwhile to turn Kelly's already-terrible accident into something good for all, since he was already a loss.
Kelly, in a way, still had a chance to contribute something very meaningful and lasting to the world and to medicine. In that way, Kelly should be remembered for his sacrifice and *not* Lushbaugh. It is terrible that he or his family were never given the decision though.
So, both things can be true, Lushbaugh did an unspeakably terrible things, and Kelly made a huge contribution (unwillingly) with his last moments because of it.
Maybe it is unethical for others to ever receive or benefit those contributions because of how they were gained, but once everything happened - there was no saving Kelly, and there was no un-desecrating his remains. Lushbaugh was wrong, and we should never do what he did, but we cannot erase it either.
@@Noobscodee
That would be and is a irresponsible notion. They knew back then what they were doing was unethical. To take remains without next of kin's permission or more importantly, to inject a well established poison into a unsuspecting victim is the poster child for what not to do. They already knew what the outcome would be. Death. There is no curative measure. The only treatment is to not get exposed. No learning curve there and BTW, they already knew that before this incident. So was anything earthshattering learned? No. Medical ethics is in place to prevent human experimentation as was done in WWII, the Tuskegee syphilis experiment and in this instance.
Kelley was hit not just with gamma radiation, but also neutrons. It was the neutron exposure that made his body radioactive.
It makes me wonder if something similar happened to the man in the Japanese super critical radiation accident. His body had so much radition in it even afterwards that there's no way it could have just been a lot of gamma radiation.
This discussion about how these people didn't know that they were being experimented on reminds of a nonfiction book called The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks, which is about a woman whose cancer cells were taken by her doctor without her knowledge. The cells became super important in cellular biology and cancer research.
I'm definitely adding The Plutonium Files to my to read list now.
"An experiment of opportunity" is the most government sh*t I've ever heard.
I'm definitely conflicted about the bodies being studied, obviously without permission is hella wrong, but at the same time the information learned from their bodies can go to help better treat those exposed. And of course given the choice no one wants their family member be dissected especially so in the 1950s.
And given the fact these circumstances don't arise often the possibility with permission to analyze a body would be extremely low. These studies are what led to our current understanding of radiation exposure today, which may have even led to saving many, many lives.
Again I don't forgive nor think these people were right, just pointing out the moral dilemma. Is the cost of a families loved one being dissected without consent not worth the many lives saved by the information gathered?
@@Tbal_96 But the thing is they didn't know it would've have lead to life-saving information, because it was unknown. They didn't know what they didn't know. They just took a shot in the dark, and that shot killed a man and separated him from his own rights and family. He didn't even get a say in it.
@@chaosincarnate7304 No that shit didn't killed anyone, he already was 100% dead after the accident. And I can completely understand the reason to analyze the body, because this was a situation that is very a rare and there is no other ethical way to get data like this. I found the information about other people getting plutonium injected without them knowing much worse and awful, even if they didn't die, because they didn't knew about it and where perfectly fine before.
@@GoblinUrNuts They never knew they would get anything that would progress us forward from snatching a corpse and experimenting on it. Yet you pretend like the family wanting their loved ones corpse so they can mourn is evil because it stopped a HUUGE progression of humanity and they knew it (they didn't) . Why didn't they ask the family for the body? If they didn't, just look for someone else. They just took the easy and unethical way out which isn't an excuse for any scientist when a more, direct way even if it is hard can get you the same if not more information. They literally put his brains into mayo, that's cutting corners ain't it? But hey, shady governments and entities be shady...
@@Tbal_96 No, there is no “moral dilemma”. You notice not one of these evil scum injected themselves with this shit. Every single one of them should have been thrown into a reactor for a random length of time, then pulled out and studied if the information was so fucking precious. If the knowledge is only worth someone ELSE’S life, then it is not worth obtaining.
When you imagine the exact situation where you see a “heavenly” blue light with rumble sounds it feels completely out of the world and terrifying.
If one was educated enough to know what the "blue light" is and means, then yes, a completely horrible situation to think about.
But then, to the uneducated, it can be a wonderful curiosity. Look up the Goiania incident... Some thieves stole an unguarded Radiotherapy machine, disassembled it, got the radioactive Cesium 137 core out of it, and witnessed the same "blue glow"(Cherenkov radiation) and thought it was perhaps a valuable "gemstone" or something "supernatural". Ignorant to it's real effects, the participants were excited and played with the poison until they all received a fatal dose, got sick, and eventually died as a result. I guess ignorance CAN be bliss, until you have to pay the price, that is.
No one touch the like button. It is perfect
@@pikachusucks5151 Too late for that, but if we can get 50 more it'll be perfect again
@@multigrandmarquis We have to try
This is the most horrifying video I have ever watched. I've experienced such a bone-deep horror as I did when you described Cecil's symptoms, the bone marrow biopsy, and the way his body was treated. This story is so awful, and the way you told it perfectly highlighted every detail in a way that I will 100% never forget anything about it.
The only reason that such atrocities like these keep happening again and again throughout our history is because people cannot accept that there are fellow humans out there who are actually this evil. This is the ultimate form of evil and when it’s already happened once they then get the notion that we’ve learned from it and that it’s impossible for it to ever occur again: this is the greatest of our flaws.
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
I've used that quote many times, it's THAT good.
I’ve seen this quote used a lot as a sort of joke, but in this case it’s actually very applicable.
"Our scientists?"
They're hardly alone, there's scumbags like that in every country in the world. Medicine and science both seem to attract psychopaths! I believe in them, I just think they need some serious oversight.
@@loganmpe7559 The original quote says your scientists, but yes, Our scientists fits better, as even the most brilliant minds can do inhumane things and try to justify it
Giving unknown shots of Plutonium to unsuspecting people to test their dead bodies later. Sounds kind of like back in my days the CIA giving GIs and other people doses of LSD without them having any knowledge of, or permission, to test their reactions. Ant the government wonders why so many people today reuse to get the Covid vaccine. What's really in it? Trust the government...hahaha, yeah right.
Pretty much every stage of this situation was devoid of basic ethics.
"Let's just inject some folks with Plutonium"
Somewhere, Mengele's corpse got a thrill.
(Edit: and at the time he got an unexpected tingle, guess I was wishcasting his demise as being more proximate to the atrocities)
Considering the fucker was still alive at the time, I don't think this statement is accurate.
These are the “experts.” The scientists who tell us they have medicine to protect and help us.
@@NASkeywest Yup. Go get ypur vaccine.
@@NASkeywest Your logic:
A small number of teachers have abused children. Don't ever trust teachers.
@@kaminachos5129 Your logic:
Blindly trust authority.
Your videos are amazing! Could you perhaps do a short documentary on Alexander Litvinenko’s assassination with Polonium 210? That story has stuck with me since childhood and I think your amazing storytelling would really make it come to life.
Omg yes to that!
I just stumbled upon this channel and find it excellent. It seems to be thoroughly researched and is professionally presented. You have a great speaking voice, Kyle.
To put Cecil through the pain of collecting bone marrow collection whilst he was still alive is shameful. At the very least they could have done this during the autopsy. I get studying Cecil, but gutting and deboning him like a fish is unconscionable. "The God Givin Gift" defense.
Yes, and lying to him that they wanted to do the bone marrow transplant.. just pure evil..
Well, if they did it as it is the standard with needle aspiration for marrow or trephine biopsy for core bone, then it is mostly benigne, we use Xiline (same anesthesia fir tooth extraction) to numb the skin (and I one did it with cryo anesthesia for somone poly allergic to them). No major pain during or after procedure, and just a mild discomfort locally after that... But if they had gone and did a bone segment extraction, that is an entirely other can of worms, and that hurts like hell, and the iradiated patient usually is resistant even to opioids.
im not being cruel, just rational, but what does it matter, he was gonna die anyway 👀 severe cases like these, they must be used for scientific research for what to do in future situations like this. this is significant for science
And yet people still remain surprised when Doctors lie for personal gain.
@@enijac6573 So you'd approve if somebody tortured you to death rather than just killing you? As somebody else noted, they could have done the bone marrow collection during his autopsy rather than while he was still alive.
When he said "God gave me permission," the unspoken part was that he was the god in question.
Oh yeah. The hubris.
That is basicaly true for everything evil done in the name of god.
@@MrPhelan1979 for everything good as well
Meanwhile God is thinking "wtf wrong with this guy"
I think what he meant was that the end the means. He was morally justifying his acts.
I think the most disturbing part of this whole story is the mere fact that if permission had actually been received from the families of the deceased, then this would have been a very different tale, tone-wise.
Implying that permission would have been received.
It's kind of horrific that Lushbaugh experienced zero consequences for anything he did.
My dad was working at Los Alamos when Cecil Kelly died. My dad didn’t know him, but it certainly came as a shock to hear of the accident. I remember him telling me about it some 40 years ago, and Kelly’s words: “I’m burning up! I’m burning up!”
That always creeped me out.
What's going on NOW with this "Corona Virus" will top ALL the things that Humans ever did, including the Nazis and any testing on humans.
For an example : In the 90's German prisoners did get tons of fresh food, only to find out what food contains the EHEC Virus.
How i could tell that ?
I WAS in prison that time for 1 year (not guilty).
I never trust ANY form of "Government" in ANY part of the world !
ACAB !
Yeah yeah, sure dude
@@natan5425
Aw gee, I was so hoping Natan Gomes would come on here and validate me. 😂
But to give some background to those who may be interested. I was born in 61. My dad served in the Navy in the South China Sea in WWII, he used the GI Bill to get a Masters in Physical Chemistry from Baylor, then went to work at Los Alamos after graduating. He later got a job as a researcher for ORNL in Oak Ridge, and I was born in Knoxville. I moved to Maryland when I was ten because my dad got a job at the AEC in Bethesda in 1972, now known as the NRC. He was the project manager for various nuclear power plants around the country; Quad Cities, Hanford, and San Onofre, just to name a few.
Please believe me, Natan. I need your validation… Phag! 🤣. 🍆
@@natan5425because we all know that it's physically impossible to be related to someone who knew someone noteworthy.
@@natan5425you realize how many people are employed at los alamos?
Honestly, the moment they knew he was beyond saving, they should have told him and asked for permission to learn all they can while minimizing pain. If I were in Cecil's position, and they were honest, I'd have said, "Do it. Save as many lives as you can."
You have to remember this is 1958. These incidents were rare and we didn't know what we know now. Too many people look at these incidents with retrospect. These doctors were just punting and its happened throughout medical history. Medicine has a dark past and present.
@@kimchi2780 this is ethics they knew then, it's not a new concept to reduce or end one's suffering.
@@idiotidiot5821 exactly, you'd be surprised what people will do for the sake of others if you give them honesty and treat them like people. And besides even if this guy just wanted to die instead of being tested on he should've been given that right. Its not his responsibility to suffer for the sake of others. There's no excuse for what happened here.
@@kimchi2780 they didn’t really save anyone’s lives though did they? Here we are, 70 years later an all they have is more bombs to kill people.
@@NASkeywest These tests don't relate to nuclear weapons or even nuclear power generation. The things to be learned from this were to do with the effects of radiation on humans. Which were used to increase safety of those working with radioactive materials.
That doesn't justify what they did. But I hope that clarifies things for you.
I really love how respectfully you treat all the topics. Great job.
Thank you for radiating this story out🙏
I LOVE these dead serious video essays man. These are worthy of being included in school curriculums across the world.
Yea but that would run counter to almost any government run education.
If you notice there are approved topics in history which push a message. Example are the Nazi's are evil look at all the horror they commited but ignore the outlier of John Rabe. But at the same time Japans war crimes are largely ignored, due to them now being allied with the Western powers. Or the fact that Africa's slave trade was built upon the tribal warfare that happened in that area and rarely was "whites" going out and capturing villages (did happen but not anyway near as much as the tribes trading them). Or the crusades vs the jihad.
Most topics need to be discussed to offer true in site into human nature as there are many people who will act in self sacrifice and many others who are classed as evil. National borders only really effect what ethics are accepted as the norm not if evil or good occurs inside them.
"dead" serious. Nice.
I totally agree, these are parts of history of our world that people should know
I've learned more from Kyle hill than my science classes over the years.
When you realise he is the curriculum...
If "god gave me permission" is a good enough excuse for Clarence to steal organs, then it's damn well good enough for me, when it comes to having just one more slice of pizza.
*But it never is just one slice.*
@@MultiNaruto900 God is forgiving, they'll let you have another. and another. and another. and anot
@@RusselKabirTR this is why nobody invites you to parties
@@RusselKabirTR bruh
@@RusselKabirTR personally I see what you're trying to say here. you mean to say he doesn't necessarily sees himself as God either but rather, he himself think it was the right thing to do and given the chance would probably do it again.
still, that just makes him as bad or worse in my book
I love this video series. Thank you for making it.
Thx for making these awesome mini docs 💞
This is an example of an answer to the question: "What kind of experiments would happen if ethics wasn't a factor?"
Look at the Nazi experiments and it answers that perfectly
@@birdbrain6503 pretty sure Paperclip sent people to Los Alamos, so it's really just an extension.
@@GuntherRommel paperclip sent plenty of people to los alamos. Paperclip was seriously messed up
@@alexanderherzog3064: The U.S.A.: Why make people suffer the consequences of their misdeeds when there's -CommiesTerroristsDemocrats- (insert name of next enemy here) to fight?!
@@sdfkjgh exactly! It's ok to be a terrible person and commit war crimes as long as it helps us
Kyle, ever heard about the Cesium-137 incident in Brazil? It's a pretty dark story about the danger of radiation and the lack of public knowledge of this danger
Ah yes, the Goiania Disaster. Do not look at, play with, or ingest the pretty blue glowing dust.
This story looks crazy upon reading its wikipedia page, id definitely watch a video on this aha
That would be a good one! Was a very tragic story.
@@NJbldragon ah yes my towns most famous achievement. My grandma lived in the same part as the accident when it happened.
@@robstar020 Plainly Difficult had a video on it
Another horrifying case of, "the ends justify my means". Thank you Kyle, I hadn't heard much about this case. Poor Cecil and his family.
The first time I heard about this accident was in the Atomic Accidents book. Its a scary read and increcibly interesting read, and this one scenario is horrible. The fact that he became a mush is incredible. The power of nature's byproducts, especially when it goes wrong, is quite mind boggling.
his voice is so serious that my cat came and watched with me for 2 minutes without moving its eyes from the screen
Clearly your cat loves knowledge.
Keep an eye on that cat of yours. He/she clearly knows more than he/she lets on.
@@durandol Rick and Morty got it wrong, its not the squirrels but the Cats you have to watch out for.
Perhaps your cat was interested in the legal proceedings. Is your cat a lawyer?
Sounds entirely different. Guess he puts on more of a show for other channels.
This is why we need all history, including things that the US wants to forget.
Certain parties in the US.. not all of us.
Every country has dark things it has done, past and present, the US isn’t unique in that regard.
@@fudgeknuckle952 I think he's talking less about it being censored, and more advocating that it be taught In schools, or at least made more widely known.
_Especially_ the things they want us to forget.
@Rico Santiago let me guess, white middle class and a (toxic) 'patriot'
I think the number one thing I struggle with is the insane power behind these accidents. How do you lift a 4 million pound lid in the air and hold it there for ten seconds, ?!? I can't wrap my head around that.
I enjoy your videos, Kyle, I'm sure it's a lot of work for you and your team. Thank you for both your time and commitment.
This in reference to Chernobyl?
Looking forward to more of your historical scientific/social documentaries!!! More historical stories folks needs to learn more from.
I like these kinds of lower toned informational videos Kyle. The science videos with silliness about robots and stuff is great but I do enjoy seeing this other side of your presentation ability.
Me too.
KYLE IS THE NARRATOR??? dang he sounds so different here
Yeah I prefer the less zany stuff
I wonder what terrifying cases like this and worse are unknown and will remain unknown forever.
Really starts to make you think the only problem with nuclear energy is the HUMAN BEINGS involved with it!
You wanna remain unknown because investigative journalists either dont exist or are severely nerfed and suing the government is pretty much impossible, go to communist countries
Like he said investigative journalism is the a thing of the past. All the scientists researchers and journalists are owned by the far left and theylle do and say what they’re told.
Otherwise we may of heard exactly why our economy was ruined by a lab made China virus and why China is back up and running and we’re still doing the big circle jerk that is 2021 America
@@chestrockwell1794 exactly
@@chestrockwell1794 damn someone chugged the kool aid
I really enjoy this documentary format Kyle!
Hey, just found your channel. I’m from New Mexico. My Grandpa work on the Manhattan project, even went to Geneva for the Salt talks… you’re stuffs great. If you want some more info on this subject matter let me know. Privately of coarse. Nothing classified, just not well know stories. I’ll DM if you want brother. Keep up the good stuff!
"God gave me permission"
God: "No the fuck i didn't"
And then he sent him straight to hell.
@@JukesMcGee Amen
I think he was saying it was a clear moral/ethical choice. Assuming there was a reason he couldn't tell the families what the samples were for (most everything at Los Alamos was highly classified), I don't disagree.
BTW: Seems like he did get permission to take samples in other cases, but didn't say what they were for.
PS: As for the injection experiment... That was just very wrong, but was done by different people that this guy taking samples from corpses. Frankly odd to me how those very different experiments and ethical situations are connected (almost conflated) in the telling of the story. Guess "body snatchers" is just a good headline/clickbait.
I wonder if as he burns in the deepest pit of Hell, If he still thinks God told him!!
He never said the name of his god...👿
"God gave me permission." That's exactly the kinda thing a super villain says in the first act, right before something terrible happens.
I found your channel just curiously searching for info about Chernobyl. I just finished the HBO series and I myself work for a defense contractor. I'm no scientist just an operator but I have worked a lot with Depleted Uranium the last few years and still do presently. So I have a peaked interest in the topic probably more than the average viewer. Anyways I just want to tell you that you have done an amazing job telling the stories and as well with the video/picture quality. I have only watched the videos you have done on radiation and nuclear incidents. I am definitely going to be diving deep into all of your content and once again you have done a fantastic job with these amazingly interesting yet horrific snapshots into our past. I hope you continue to gain subscribers and monetization that allows you to find exciting and new rabbit holes to go down. Thank you very much!!!!!!!!
These are interesting stories. I'm in mechanical engineering, but when I took physics 30, it was the atomic and sub-atomic level that really interested me.
3/9 videos on this playlist have taken place in the 70's or 80's (going in youtube playlist order).
“You can be dead and not even know it yet”
*clears throat*
Was having a stroke and thought you were talking about The Alamo and I was like “wtf are scientists gonna do with 180 year old bodies”
You just made this a whole lot better!
remembering them
Thanks for sharing and all the hard work to make this Video such a Interesting story
What a fantastic job, Kyle. I’m glad there weren’t all the CG effects you sometimes use. This series has been stellar work.
"Mr Lushbaugh, why did you steal my car?"
"God gave me permission"
"dr."
Right!
Well my Smith & Wesson is taking it away!
@@legomangamesnetwork1151 I actually purposefully don't address a person with their professional title if they were a terrible, unethical person lol. They have a piece of paper from a college, but they don't have my respect
It worked for the time. If it was today they would say, if you oppose this you’re racist.
"God gave me permission." - Christ. What a monster.
Edit: Yes. I'm fully aware that the scientific information was absolutely necessary to gather. That still doesn't make it okay. Injecting, testing, and removing the body parts/organs of a largely unsuspecting public (or their fellow employees) is disgusting. As for the doctor who stated the earlier quote.. he couldn't even regret that it was necessary. That's what I found appalling.
Yeah, Jesus might be a bit of a monster if that’s true.
@@RobertMcBride-is-cool I was literally going to say that god themself is a monster in many ways; and if that's true then perhaps being human is to rise above nature or we'll always be the monsters among ourselves.
Fucking goosebumps at that line.
The blasphemous presumption in that statement of his should be enough for God to condemn the bastard to Hell for eternity.
@@RobertMcBride-is-cool ok so I'm not the only one that read this that way.
The same sort of thing happened in Rhode Island in 1964 at Wood River Junction during a Uranium recovery operation that caused a chain reaction.
Love your shows. Thank u
“The Body Snatchers of Los Alamos”
Sounds like a Buzzfeed Unsolved episode.
When I first saw it I thought it was one djgjdng
Also, memento mori :>
@@TheDarkestShadeOfLight :)
Buzzfeed Unsolved? Do you mean the show actually titled "those two guys that are the only good things to ever exist on Buzzfeed"?
Buzzfeed is TRASH
@@mrFoxYou1 i agree, but buzzfeed UNSOLVED is fantastic
The one lesson I've learn through these mini-docs: A scientist's reaper glows blue.
Hehehehhhehehhhe
i dont get it
@@Palladiumavoid I dont get it
@@ddogg2685 when plutonium goes critical it glows bright blue
@@goldbergshekelwitz1596 I get the joke now thanks. I appreciate your help
Kyle! I would like for you to do a report on all the secret locations that the Manhattan Project conducted their radioactive research! I understand they were in office bldgs, Universities and other buildings! I became interested in the topic after reading about office workers in the 1970's mysteriously coming down with various rare cancers. Investigators decided to re search their bldg and discovered the bldg was part of the Manhattan project
This documentary was well done, sir. 😊
Remember when he used to answer fun questions with marker pens?
This new model is way better.
Thanks for researching and producing this. I believe my family was part of the settlement you mention (grandfather worked in lab N5 from the 50s through the early 70s, DOE settlement for tissue samples without consent). This is more informative about what happened than anything I’ve seen previously, means a lot to me.
(edit) I confirmed with my mother that her father was indeed part of the tissue analysis program in 1971, and we were part of the settlement. She just watched this and really appreciated the video, as it’s more context and information on this than she’s seen out there before. She’s on a hunt for the book you mentioned now (Los Alamos library probably has it if anywhere does). Thank you again
👍
Wow. How insane to be the descendant of someone who was such a major part of history- a dark part of history, but very important history nonetheless. I hope you teach your children when they’re old enough about what happened to their great grandfather and why consent is so important.
😲😔🙏❤️
In all fairness 8lbs out of a dead body that will just rot anyways is hardly something to get upset over.
Yeah I feel the same. The main problem with the sample taking was the lack of permission, but it is not any way near the same level as injecting unknowing people with plutonium. People are way to attached to dead bodies, but with permission is preferable
I dunno if I’m gonna make it to the end of this series.. I’m so totally horrified, furious and sickened. 😰 (Great work on these videos, Kyle 👍)
I know,I am heartbroken for what people has endured .I just can't imagine these horrors.I don't think I can continue viewing anymore..bless all those who has suffered.
If you've ever had the thought "where do I take this channel from here..."
This is it, chief.
For real.
This is top mf content.
The first story of Cecil Kelly shook me so much I forgot this was about injection experiments until they were brought up again. These people were super villains
No. They weren't lol. And their work has probably save thousands more lives. Unethical? Debatable in Cecil's case. Not so for the others, what they did was wrong. But imo the results where worth it.
@@johnathanera5863 ah yes reviving a man and attempting to save him as he literally disintegrates on a molecular level, ethical.
Anti-semite.
@@johnathanera5863 let's get you signed up for some experiments for future generations then
@@yoohoo9744 sure. If I'm dying anyway I dont have a problem with that. I'm already an organ doner.
One of the best science channels on TH-cam. Outstanding
man you kick ass. more stories, please
I have a copy of "The Plutonium Files" that came in a bunch of boxes of books from my dad. I've not read even half of the books he gave me, but I recognize the cover. My dad was a Marine with high level security clearance (still won't tell us why) and was fascinated by stories like this.
Unfortunately, Military operatives can't give out the reasons why they had clearance willy-nilly, I guess. :( There are a lot of mysteries with my dad and he won't tell me why he was so high-security either.
My paternal grandfather was a computer programmer for the USAF in the 60’s and 70’s. He never showed my Dad anything, but between the silence about his job and a variety of insights about the expense and wild impracticality of using satellites for domestic spying, we are pretty sure what he did.
@@VibbyABibby Yes we can lmao I had a TS clearance because I was in signals intelligence.
@@VibbyABibby you can leave behind info for your family and friends once you die tho. and you should.
Read the book! It is both fascinating and terrifying, particularly in the revelations of the incredible arrogance of the doctors and military personnel who conducted these experiments. I used to discuss portions of it with my high school students when we were studying nuclear chemistry and the ethics of its use.
This is spooky af!!
If Crypt TV is calling it creepy, you've done something right
I need I scientifically accurate, Lovecraft style horror series.
Watch Cory comment on this thread lol
Sounds like something you could base a new series off of.
Damn even crypt tv thinks it's creepy
I don't know why I thought it was a good idea to watch this while eating dinner but this video is so, so interesting! Amazing work as always!❤
I love how morbid your videos are! Keep them coming!
Sweet mercy, this is haunting.
In my head, I imagine this as the worst sunburn you could get, but all the way through you. Thinking about the way skin peels, blisters, and sloughs off from those burns (and that's with the layer of our bodies *meant* to be exposed to the outside) and projecting that all the way inside your chest...
This sounds like an absolutely horrible way to die, especially since this didn't kill him instantly. Imagine experiencing this, FEELING this happen to you...
There are no words to express this properly...
Hisashi Ouchi was kept alive for almost 3 months after a similar experience because his family insisted to the doctors they save him, learning about that accident made me question what is empathy.
@@dariojurisic I went through that too and was never able to enjoy the beach anymore after that.
Since this series started every time i hear the words "a blue flash" i get chills down my spine and an unnerving sense of dread and fatality. Very well conveyed how terrifying such a death sentence is.
Word to the wise: if you see the blue flash, immediately take out a pistol and off yourself, quick and painless.
Your voice is one of my comforts.
What a heartbreaking story! God bless Cecil Kelley's soul. May he rest in peace. May perpetual light shine upon him. May his soul and the souls of the faithful departed through the Mercy of God rest in peace, Amen. I fear there's no rest in peace for mr. clarence lushbaugh. I'm an RN. I care for the dying in their homes. I've watched a lot of people die. There's definitely a heaven and a hell. God have Mercy on that doctor and those indifferent people who subjected so many people to suffering for the sake of 'science.' Even the sheep didn't deserve it.
"Criticality is at the core..." that was smart
"When the patient woke up, his skeleton was missing, and the doctor was never heard from again! Anyway, that's how I lost my medical license, heh." -TF2 Medic 2011
Oh thank God it's just a TF2 quote i thought this was an actual quote from the video for a second
I was thinking the same thing, considering this guy literally had brains in jars
I really enjoy this new video format. I went away for a while and upon returning I really didn't even realize this was from the Kyle Hill channel. I originally started watching this channel with the because science series. I liked those as well. I'd really like to see a crossover between the 2 formats, I just kinda miss the funny bits that you would do throughout videos. And while more serious and informative, this videos format could do with some lighthearted humor scattered throughout
I love this. Well done.