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I've been playing since the game launched and I can confirm that toxicity is at an all time high. I pretty much only play for the lore and solo exploration at this point. People have made it so that most forms of competitive play are no longer enjoyable because the level of expected performance, primarily through the use of an absurd amount of addons does not feel fun to me. I hope you find a way to enjoy this amazing game too and the toxicity doesn't ruin it for you. It really is a magical place when you filter out all the BS!
I find that as a tank you do have people who are problems and get upset if you're not playing to their standards but thankfully most people are grateful you're even willing to take the role.
@derrickbonsell dont get me wrong, there are plenty of good people playing. But there are also others that pop CDs and precast spells before a pull and make you really work for it
Absolutely not. WoW is incredibly toxic, but it can't even *scratch* the toxicity levels present in FFXIV. What differs is how that toxicity is manifests. In WoW, people flame you and get on with their lives. In FFXIV, people invest inordinate amounts of time in the pursuit of petty revenge against people that even *slightly* inconvenience them.
@titfortatpeterpan The comedy song "That's The World of Warcraft That You Play!" pointed this out as early as 2006: "You think you're a shadowpriest but you'll be forced to be a healbot in your raids; You should prepare to jump off a cliff when suddenly everything is your fault!" Felt true back then, feels true today. 😎
one thing that helped me with tanking is remembering that as the tank, the group moves at your pace, you are the leader, and you decide who is gonna get booted. the moment someone pops an attitude, gone, there's plenty of dps in the sea. eventually these toxic folk will get kicked so often they have no choice but to hush up and trudge on
Yeah I always warn people who start to be a "pro player" that if I read their name in the chat again I will leave. I rule the dungeon groups with an iron fist
I'm mainly a healer/DPS player in Classic...but TBH, I don't mind being grouped with new players at all. When a group is composed of mostly new players, it tends to be more chill/relaxed. There are waaaaaay too many try-hard "elite players" out there that think the only way to clear a dungeon is boss-to-boss pulls, zoom zoom, speed of f*cking light. I understand that people value their time (who doesn't?), but quite honestly, if you don't have the time to play an MMO & tackle dungeons at a normal pace sometimes, then you shouldn't be playing at all & need to re-evaluate your priorities in life.
They say bamboo grows the fastest but they didn't see my ignore list in wow. Seriously dude, it's the only solution for this, next to joining a decent guild. You can't control other people but you can control what you see in your party chat.
I am a current-era player, not on anniversary realms but honestly, anyone who is experiencing this sort of toxic behaviour should just move to a standard era server. Been here for years and a guild master, never experienced any of this even with new players in groups we are honestly a chill bunch. I think that what is happening on these new servers are retail players that are trying the new hotness and classic players who will get to 60 and quit before AQ40 because established guilds wont run with toxic people. Stick it out on the anniversary, and they will soon vanish and go back to a different game or server. Toxicity ruins the experience for everyone and a pro tip, if you are a tank you have ALOT of power, everyone needs a tank, especially with a tank shortage on the new realms so put these guys on ignore and guilds wont let some dps give a tank grief for long.
One thing I’d like to add is that when people talk about “meta” specs in vanilla, they’re talking about the only playable 4-5 specs in endgame. It’s not really about elitism, the classes are just so poorly designed to the point of unplayable. There’s a reason why Paladins don’t tank raid bosses and Boomkins/Ele Shaman are the least played dps.
Toxicity is why I rerolled on an RP server. I’ve noticed the overall vibe on RP servers is chill and accepting, I’ve had nothing but a positive experience on RP servers. Even if I don’t really RP, it’s fine because the community respects my decision as long as I’m not actively engaging in “anti RP behavior.” If you want to play with chill people who don’t care about the meta, check out an RP server. Seriously, night and day difference!
Too many players come to game with real lives that they hate and/or they regard fellow players as 2D avatars. I used to tank/heal M+. I left that behind and got in the LONG queue for current/classic DPS.
Off topic, you mentioned that you are a new player. I find it very interesting that I see more people new to wow saying that they would rather play classic than retail.
@@bagofchips885 I bet this is strange for sure. It’s just retail is so confusing and it’s basically a fast paced rail road to end game with nothing else inbetween mattering. Nothing you do or see matters and I think people hate that. Retails trades depth and intricacy for flashy animations and overly busy rotations & add ons.
@@deployablelover I played WoW back before cata. If not for classic I would not play it at all. I tried retail a year or so ago and I was a bit overwhelmed with all the new stuff. They made it more story focused like FF14 and I didn’t like that all to much. I only play classic now. No real treadmill to keep on. The questing is the best part and not the raids/dungeons .No real rush to end game.
That Is funny to me tbh. I think classic is confusing as heck. Retail seems like it explains everything. Where as classic you need to know everything to be efficent.
@@deployablelover You are 50% right, retail is more endgame focused though you can have a pretty good time leveling and leveling dungeons are more active in retail than Classic. But retail has far more depth and complexity overall in every aspect of the game. Professions, classes, hero classes, rotations, various builds per class and overall variety. Classic has this way of appearing deceptively large the first time you play it until you get to the end and realize you’re basically spamming one button on enemies that are programmed to do one basic mechanic. A lot of people also confused depth with jank. Vanilla has the jank in spades. Like needing to feed your pet a specific food or it runs away … lol.
its because a lot of people think they are in the top 1% of players... its 1% you arent. In fact the most toxic people tend to be the shittest players going, ive jsut started druid, never tanked before, just tanked first 3 dungeons with 0 issues, well 1 wipe due to fleeing mobs, but no 1 got mad, jsut straight back into it
I think the community is hardcore is slightly more chill. Everyone knows the stakes are high and any BM basically means the group is disbanding bc the moment you feel someone getting pissy it puts everyone else’s life on the line.
There are two things to keep in mind: The Dunning Krueger effect is absolutely real and being bad is considered rude in wow by those guys. The guys barely able to do their rotation think they are hot shit. The actual good players won't get toxic unless brought to their brink, and most of the time only in response to other peoples' toxicity.
I totally get how you feel right now. My favorite classes are warrior and druid, and the leveling dungeon scene for tanking is just a nightmare . . . People really do treat dungeons like a highway they are driving down and you as the tank are just a new driver they are stuck behind. I think similar to driving as well, people forget that there are humans in the other cars
My advice as many others have said is if you are going to tank with strangers, form the groups yourself and have the confidence to kick anyone who trolls. Use clear communication, but don't put up with people's bullshit. I really only tank with my guildies now, as me and my friends are all comfortable enough with each other where if I am pulling too slow they feel okay asking me to try pulling more mobs. When I tanked on era though groups were so hit or miss man
Confidence is key as a tank/healer, as long as you aren't randomly being a dickhead unprovoked or too arrogant to learn/improve (this does not mean listening to everything the DPS say, just acknowledging you have a lot to learn and striving to get better). Even if you have no idea where you're going in the dungeon, or if you're not very good in general: The group does not exist without you. You can trivially get 3 DPS together in less than 30 seconds. Their opinions on how the dungeon should be done are mostly irrelevant. It sounds harsh, but tanks (and healers) need to put their foot down if the DPS are being annoying. That, or leave and find 3 more DPS (or at least threaten to do so). You'd probably clear the dungeon before the previous 3 DPS even fill their group, especially if you can drag the healer with you. You are not obligated to put up with people being jerks. Note: Do not do the threatening to leave part in hardcore. If you don't like the vibes of your group even a little, just leave immediately. Don't give them the chance to be spiteful or stupid and get you killed.
Honestly if this is true this shocks me a lot as I would have assumed the more mature audience is seated in classic due to how flashy and sped up everything in retail is.
@ It depends on what content you’re doing. Raiding experience in retail tends to be super chill, whereas mythic+ can occasionally get toxic where it’s more competitive and time-gated content. But retail is super casual-friendly overall, there’s a guild called “WoW Made Easy” that does learner raids and mythic dungeons for complete newbies.
Opposite experience. The Retail players are much worse. Its why I left retail a long time ago (BFA) and won't go back. The Fresh servers are full of crazies, wanna be streamers, bots and folks pushing for world firsts etc. Thats why the majority of my play is now and has been on either a Hard Core Server (people are much nicer and calmer and move slower if its death=delete unless they are a streamer) or one of the old Classic servers that has some nice comfy guilds that are about sharing and cooperative play (I don't know how many of those exist in the EU servers, ours is in NA and a Roleplaying server rather than a PvP server).
Been playing Mythic+ all season (have 6x2600+ io toons- 2 heals,2 tanks & 2 dps) and while I agree that there is alot of toxicity in the player base I really want to record all my sessions and cut them up to determine what the % chance of encountering toxic players is because I don’t think it’s majority personally. I do know that one bad player across say 3 (I think it’s closer to 1 in 8) runs can make it feel like it’s constant but I think the majority of players just want to get their keys done and have a chill time
Classic wow dungeon groups can be surprisingly positive, even after a wipe. They might even wait for you to get to the dungeon, it's the small wins that matter haha
Let's not forget that tanking involves keeping a level head when shit hits the fan. With that said, the low level experience gives you great practice for handling yourself in raid situations where awareness pays off. So weather you do it for a long time or not, tanking is a great way to improve your skillset as a player!
So, what was the deal with that Human Priest in your dungeon run ? Was he really Alliance Human ? Or was he Undead with some kind of special trinket or something ?
Genuinely I still have no idea. All I can work out was he has some sort of transformation buff under his name plate so I assume it’s for a quest or just something the undead can do?
Getting into a friendly guild is the way to avoid most of the toxic crazies... the fresh servers are mega servers and mega servers are always over competitive crazies and lots of horrible bots.
As someone who is able to play the meta, and play it well, tanking feels super rewarding. It's the Dark Souls of group roles. The nuance is there, but it is also very obvious when you're not exploiting all the nuance well enough. Also, it seems there's a lot worse community on PVP servers, but i don't actually know this.
Longtime vet of classic and I think your assessment is right on the money. It's unfortunate, but I really do think the playerbase has just solved the meta of the game so much that there isn't really any game left for those people. It's unfortunate when people that actually want an adventure, or are even just new, have to deal with people with that kind of mentality. If you stick with it I hope you can find a nice chill guild or group of people to play with and have a good time with dude, it's such a fun world to explore and be a part of! Also yeah mages kind of are a plague, right there with you lol
The longer you play this game the closer you come to either leaving or turning it into a single player game. Has been the same for years. I get that some players experience may and does differ but the point is relevant to a high percentage of the player base throughout the world.
Yeah the community is toxic as hell, learning either healer or tanking on any version of WoW is fucking miserable. This is the game where tankxiety originates from for good (no) reason. This game doesn't even have nearly as horrible consequences for failure as other MMORPGs do so I don't know why everyone is always so fucking toxic over pixels. I wish that everyone that ever flamed a tank or a healer would log off forever.
Honestly, the only way to really enjoy WOW is to find a guild you mesh well with, raiding or pvp don't really matter. Once you get to end game it just becomes a second job if you don't like the folks your chatting with.
I remember when I tried tanking back in original Wrath. I told the group I was new to tanking and I immediately got kicked from the group. I mostly play warlock these days and I’ve had people complain to me that my dps is low. How is my dps supposed to go up when I use dots, my casting spells have 3 second cast time, and you have the mobs dead before I can cast anything? I just don’t group with people anymore. I chat with people I meet in the open world and that is about it for me socially. Classic WoW is a comfort game for me that I come back to every so often. I won’t do a pvp server again. I leveled up a character on pvp era servers and the ganking made it miserable. The people that want to speed run, mega builds etc need to be playing something more like Path of Exile. PoE would suit those play styles better.
I joined in BC but didn't do much at cap, and finished leveling a Mage for Wrath and started raiding. TLDR: I joined a guild and became class lead. Eventually, I became "the mage guy" on my server, and people who I didn't know and who were not in my guild would whisper me and ask for advice. So I started holding little training sessions at the target dummies in UC, and I would go over everything (talents, enchants, gems, etc.) and then watch them attack the target dummy to see if they were making any mistakes. I've never felt as important to a community, and it was the greatest experience I've ever had in a game. I felt like I was a vital part of a community at a time when information was hard to come by. Around Warlords of Dreanor I move to private servers vanilla-MoP; most are jaded veterans. Information for these expansions was hard to come by, so I adapted. I started learning as many classes and specs as I could. I wrote guides and posted them for free online. If you played in those times on private servers, you've probably read one of my guides or used one of the addons I was able to edit (the only person who had a proper 3.3.5 Interrupt Bar addon that I'm still proud of; learned to edit lua code just to do it). It was more difficult, and most people didn't want help even in those times, but I had a lot of success stories and made myself useful. I took people who were new and turned them into monsters. Then Classic came. The population increase was nice. I felt useless again as information was readily available. People were telling me I should make a youtube channel and post all my guides, etc. but there was too much new information and new strategies, etc. I just didn't have the resources to compete. But I still have an impact, no matter how small. I still help people when I can. So when you tell me you are new, and taking your time, I think that is BEAUTIFUL. FUCK THEM. They don't get the point of this game. You do. The first several YEARS I played this game I was terrible. I did stupid and pointless things, and I enjoyed every moment of it. Don't let these people ruin your fun. This is the best time you will have with this game, when you fall in love with the world. Currently, I rolled a healer on Classic Vanilla, even though I have no plan for endgame. I've grinded grey mobs to do quests I've never done before. The other day I joined two Rogues in the Barrens for their Poison class quest... just because. It was a great moment. I'm taking my time, healing every dungeon and getting all the quests as I go. I don't even want to raid at end game. The only purpose of this character is to have FUN... and it's freeing. It's like when I first joined the game. Take your time and don't let them ruin it for you.
Players are also addicted to loot drop dopamine hits, META gamers would be gambling addicts at casinos or great for a corporate cut throat job. I have learned to just ignore random players in WOW Classic and do what I want.
this really only happens in vanilla classic. This doesn't happen at all in SoD, and as far as retail, it exists, but not at the lengths it does in classic era/hardcore/anniversary. And its wild to me that this is happening in by far the easiest version of the game. content in those version will fall over regardless of comp
try telling that to elitist of classic too hahahaha. Oh what a conversation. They'll argue till they're blue in the face that MC is soooo hard you need pre raid bis to do it. I tell them if they ccan't beat a raid that is 20 years old without full pre raid bis by now they're just the same old shitters they've always been. Just to see them rage harder.
Small servers are chill, small town everybody knows each other and if you are rude you will not be liked. Unfortunately the devs think we should all play on a mega server, and many people are rude. Best thing on anniversary server is to find a casual new player friendly guild.
dude im playin for 15 years now , random people are always toxic , i mean they can be toxic they can be not ! if you wanna avoid it find a proper leveling guild for yourself since pple usually behave in a guild ! thats how the pug is or basically thats how the life is , feel free to watch a guide before a dungeon before gettin in or tell poeple that you are new , whenever u tell wow players you are new they usually do not shiet on you !
@@deployablelover hell yea ! also keep in mind that you can always surrond urself with like minded people by making a guild yourself ! if theres nothing you like out there be the guy who makes it , its a free world after all
new player here, nobody has really tried to ruin my experience. even in general chat people are mostly helpful and cooperative. one toxic guy spurged out on me cuz he got killed in PvP and i was like 15 levels below who killed us. i dont blame him tho, it happens to the best of us
It's so obviously a problem in the anniversary server too. You will see 4-5 groups, all without a tank in the LFG. Your other options are the meta xp/hour melee and spell cleave groups that make me feel like im manually botting for xp. So yeah, im a shaman and i don't dungeon either mate, theres just no tanks at all that want to do normal dungeons and the attitude that the playerbase give to new tanks is exactly why.
Do you play on EU servers? Bc on the US west server I don’t have much problems. Just asking bc I have seen so many TH-cam content creators talking about this and most of the creators are on EU servers.
In 2019 I can understand people wanted to do the raids that had a reputation from back in the day. Today I honestly don't get it. Toxic elitist farming of everything for the 1000th time for what exactly? I actually like playing with new players much better for this reason and also so what if we take a small detour in dungeon, it's all exp so why not? But one thing you don't seem to realize just yet. In raids you need fewer tanks as a fraction of the group. Therefore everybody loves you in dungeons but when it comes to raids nobody has ever heard of you. Without connections or sheer luck, forget raiding as a tank.
I completely agree with you tbh. Im a fairly seasoned vanilla wow player at this point and i still get nights where you have a bad pull and people lose their minds. Personally, i try to not be that person and ignore spergs. A LOT of people are chill but dont say much. Find people that are like minded and friend them, especially healers. Sorry you are struggling with meta goblins.
7:30 is a bad look ngl assuming you told them ur new like u said u do, early dungeons are usually the most dangerous because all classes have barely any abilities or utilities, they’re just telling you to be careful with pulling more than a couple and ur coming off as the toxic one, I also was a new player tanking on warrior and the amount of toxicity I encountered was definitely the minority vs the majority maybe try to have a better outlook to make ur experience more enjoyable and just ignore the blatant slurs and insults that rarely happen
You have a totally valid point for that clip as I think by that point I was so tired of all the moaning I was easily defensive but I can assure you there has been some painful moments. I always try where possible to just get through the content, look in the bright side as I know things improve. Well pointed out by the way!
Join a decent guild with ppl that you like, if they are rude or elitist, leave and join another one. Once you find a good guild the game is 100% better. Platying with no guild or solo is just BAD, SAD, TOXIC
I left the Blizzard official WoW Classic servers because of the player "community" toxicity & rampant bots/RMT/cheating. I've been playing on Turtle WoW instead & it's a better & more refined "classic WoW experience" (Classic+ really) on multiple levels.
I'm #1 io tank for my spec on my realm, 5th for the class as a whole. I've experienced the entire range of players. I've played WoW for years and I've played League of Legends and I'm here to tell you it's not even in the same category as far as toxicity goes. It's not great, but just playing something else with a large community will give you a whole new idea of how good we have it in World of Warcraft.
I gave WoW an honest effort because I wanted to play with my brothers. I tolerated the cartoonish characters, but it took about no time at all to begin receiving unmerited harassment. The game was absolutely not good enough to tolerate that. I returned to LotRO with alacrity! My brothers were not happy, but I play for fun and entertainment -- not psychological abuse.
I am just back to WOW after like 12 years. Wow this is so confusing. I wanted to run Stockades...and that took like 20 minutes of Googling and changing the era I want to play. Why not just make a master list with subtrees of each era, right in the LFG tool?
Do you want me to tell you the main reason why it's so toxic ? Because of layering and megaservers, with 100.000 players and 10 layers. People don't care, reputation don't matter, you never meet the same people again ; so people behave like shit. Megaservers and layering is the worst thing to happen to this game. And same, been playing MMO's since 2004, and this is the worst experience I ever had by far.
I couldn't imagine jumping into WoW as a new player and taking on the tank role lol. The real problem isn't necessarily the toxicity, it's the fact the game has been figured out to such an extent that so many players just expect people to know what to do, especially in older content that's been done a million times. Can't say im completely innocent in being toxic though, while I won't necessarily call anyone out I WILL get internally frustrated over major inefficiencies when im lvling my 60th alt. As for endgame content ive been out of it so long ive absolutely experienced the other side where I am not up to par on mechanics and meta and have copped it quite hard when healing/DPSing lol I don't know the solution in all this, because the game really is some peoples identities and it's hard to reason with unreasonable people. It's a good discussion to keep having though, there has to be some room for people to lose their shit/banter but we also need to dial it back the fuck down sometimes too and realise when we are just heated in the moment and its ok to apologise.
Just play the game how you like and ignore these people. By lvl 55 I got tired of these people too. And before joining a group, I asked pro or noob. And when they answered 'pro' I answered, no thank you. I rather wipe 5 times and be able to learn the game than be part of factory line, just to see some more blue items.
I even created a blacklist and whitelist. For rude and nice people. As a tank, it takes 1s to find a dungeon group. So these rude people just make it harder on themselfs in the end.
Don't let the hate get to you. I felt exactly the same way playing wow classic. I really dislike this meta gaming approach, where everything is about reaching the end instead of enjoying the experience. Pick up groups in very popular MMO's are always a gamble. A group of friends is pretty much required. I much prefer the Lotro community where you don't see this often. Especially not with the lower-level instances.
You'd probably have a much better time as anything other than a tank. It's expected that the tank knows how to lead the group and it's impossible to do that as a new player. I'd probably roll a DPS and then level a tank after you've learned the content. Either that or find a guild who would help you learn the ropes.
I have rejoined this game almost 5 times now because I get burned out. This time will be the last time leaving the game. It's all become so boring. For those than enjoy it, nice, cool. But I need more depth in a game rather than "seasons" and grinds for this and that. It's just so shallow now.
First off your fantastic, but you have unknowingly chosen the hardest path through Wow classic. Alot of what your running into (in my opinion) is a symptom of the classic game design where there is objectively a correct way to play the game. It's not that Classes other than warrior can't tank but the gap their tool kit is so large everyone else will need to play around you. And wile DPS is known to be the most toxic roll no one like having to gimp their capabilities to accommodate a strangers play style. Non of this is obvious to a new player, and the only remedy is it find a group of people that make up for the short commings of the game. P.S you inspired me to check out DDO and Lotro again, o7
If you can't find a guild you vibe with I wouldn't stick it out. Meta only gets worse and worse as phases progress. It's one of the reasons I stopped in TBC re-release. Was a Rogue and you only needed 1 a raid. Community is full of meta swiping nubs.
Yeah I quit the game because of this reason, some other reasons too but this is a major one. I want to have fun in a game not sweat, and when you get shit on for that then it's time to leave. Games are supposed to be fun, chill and an escape tool to make you feel better. Toda's gaming culture though is "meta or you're an idiot"... Like ANYONE cares how good you are in a fckng videogame....
i said this in the previous video but consider playing hardcore, theres more giving-a-shit in dungeons when everyone knows their character is on the line, maybe the dps actually waits for aggro, people who are complete donkeys dont last as long
We classic Andys are a diffrent kind of breed :D alot of us play this version of wow for 15+ years and it never even crosses our mind someone plays this for the first time and doesnt know everything in and out. I mean the toxicity is unacceptable imo but u wont get rid of it in Pugs. I hope u find a helpful newplayer friendly guild
Man I was all with you until the weapons on your warrior bit. I get that it is an RPG and personally I like a sword and board on my warrior as well, but the game is also an MMO and the game has strict guidelines for each class/spec to make them function. It is a forgivable mistake but the game does a pretty good job imo of making sure you know what weapons and gear you should be using via passives, talents, and ability restriction. In the end the game is multiplayer and by refusing to use the weapon/armor designed for your class/spec you are going to face harsh penalties and therefore be essentially useless in group content. Thus wasting their time and/or making them carry you all because of "Muh fantasy". The game can be quite toxic as you've pointed out with many other points in the video with Classic being by far the worst of it.
Wow is the most toxic game I've ever played. When you get a nice group, it's really wondeful. However the community in general is the nost hateful and racist I know. Idk if EU experience is different from other regions, but it amazes me how much hateful msgs blizzard lets fly. Sadly I think wow as a game is really newbie friendly, but the community sweatlords optimize the fun out of the game just to get seconds faster runs.
I agree. For me WoW has hands down the worst community. PvP is the worst and some of it is warranted. So many salty peeps in pvp and dungeons no one talks except for a few.
Can only say it from my PoV, and that is as a dadgamer, like alot of the other classic players, u know you have maybe 1-2 hours to play before u have go log off, and you expect say sfk to take like max an hour but it turns out your joining a slowpoke grp and the run will take like 4 hours for no reason then u tell ppl to speed up ofc, but no excuses for being a pri*k tho
Wow is incredibly toxic, I’ve been playing since 2004. No excuses or whataboutisms, I’ve played every popular mmo and many indie. Wow is by far the worst. Exceptions have been smaller vanilla private servers. I use to be in raiding guilds and stopped in Cataclysm. I then stopped grouping all together after MoP. I do think the most vocal are the worst and the better people are the ones who aren’t doing pugs or speaking in general chat. The development choices over time have created this environment.
I'm glad you said this. Wow is pretty toxic, especially the deeper you go into high level content. I don't have much to say I just wanted to leave a comment.
I hear you and its everywhere even irL i think alot has to do with no consequences. Hopefully you find your groove with a crowd that you can chill with in game. Till then as a tank especially you have an ability that most other roles dont have as good as you and that is " remove from group" flat out kick em out and replace it also has no cool down. Might seem like booting em is in line with being toxic but hell no...its accountability, id rather replace or finish the run with 4 that go with the flow than 5 that go against the current.
Another thing that you may want to consider, Horde players are more pvp focused. While Alliance is more PvE focused. The pvp crowd is more toxic than the PvE crowd. I would suggest giving both factions a try, and see what you think. From my own experience, Alliance is more friendly than Horde, due to this pve/pvp focus.
Alliance is full of the trans and lefty types that try to brow beat you with their insane political views and condescension and look to mass report you any chance they get. Meanwhile horde players openly flame each other and banter and be chill to hang out with. I'll take horde players every day of the week.
Add me you’re welcome to run with me any time. Been playing since vanilla. No flaming new players Oh I just realized you’re Horde I can’t help you mate but there are good people out there. As a lifelong horde player it tends to be more loose and so the name calling if you’re not great is also more normalized
Dungeons are the worst part of this game tbh, it sucks that some gear is only dropped in them. I almost got inted in WC over needing on a +4agi +4stam boots which was an actual upgrade for me xD this community kinda sucks even compared to LoL.. at least league you just go n talk shit for a few minutes n fuck off. On WoW especially if you're jumping on HC they can take away hours or days of your time and effort by ninja looting or griefing.
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nothing is more fun than entering a rbg and fucking with the tryhards
they trigger eazy
allso if dps pulls i quit healing and if they die i dont res them
if i'm taking and dps is pulling i exit group or ask everyone to kick 'm
I've been playing since the game launched and I can confirm that toxicity is at an all time high. I pretty much only play for the lore and solo exploration at this point. People have made it so that most forms of competitive play are no longer enjoyable because the level of expected performance, primarily through the use of an absurd amount of addons does not feel fun to me. I hope you find a way to enjoy this amazing game too and the toxicity doesn't ruin it for you. It really is a magical place when you filter out all the BS!
I enjoy tanking in classic, but the player base can be exhausting
I find that as a tank you do have people who are problems and get upset if you're not playing to their standards but thankfully most people are grateful you're even willing to take the role.
@derrickbonsell dont get me wrong, there are plenty of good people playing.
But there are also others that pop CDs and precast spells before a pull and make you really work for it
Classic is exhausting in general. The game is horrible to your time.
@@MikeyJ28Do you find that? I was the most exhausted when I played retail idk I guess everyone has his own thing
Absolutely not. WoW is incredibly toxic, but it can't even *scratch* the toxicity levels present in FFXIV. What differs is how that toxicity is manifests. In WoW, people flame you and get on with their lives. In FFXIV, people invest inordinate amounts of time in the pursuit of petty revenge against people that even *slightly* inconvenience them.
If theyre toxic online imagine them in person....
i can tell you don't go outside much if you think online personas act the same irl
I've been playing for years, but I never played healer before. I tried healing for a bit; I'm not bad at it, but people are very toxic.
Nah ur bad uninstall go back to retail :)
healing since 2007 and i absolut agree is get worst and worst over the years
@titfortatpeterpan The comedy song "That's The World of Warcraft That You Play!" pointed this out as early as 2006:
"You think you're a shadowpriest but you'll be forced to be a healbot in your raids;
You should prepare to jump off a cliff when suddenly everything is your fault!"
Felt true back then, feels true today. 😎
I'm a little curious what kind of experience you'd had previously (like with other classes &/or other games) that would make you a decent Healer ?
one thing that helped me with tanking is remembering that as the tank, the group moves at your pace, you are the leader, and you decide who is gonna get booted. the moment someone pops an attitude, gone, there's plenty of dps in the sea. eventually these toxic folk will get kicked so often they have no choice but to hush up and trudge on
this is exactly what I do. I just boot them. They'll send a few tells and I get a good laugh before I ignore them.
Yeah I always warn people who start to be a "pro player" that if I read their name in the chat again I will leave. I rule the dungeon groups with an iron fist
I'm mainly a healer/DPS player in Classic...but TBH, I don't mind being grouped with new players at all. When a group is composed of mostly new players, it tends to be more chill/relaxed. There are waaaaaay too many try-hard "elite players" out there that think the only way to clear a dungeon is boss-to-boss pulls, zoom zoom, speed of f*cking light. I understand that people value their time (who doesn't?), but quite honestly, if you don't have the time to play an MMO & tackle dungeons at a normal pace sometimes, then you shouldn't be playing at all & need to re-evaluate your priorities in life.
It's not 100% but usually if you just run dungeons with guildies only, you should avoid most of the toxicity.
Bless those of you who could. I got so tired of "not pulling quick enough" and being rushed through
Also with questing people use to party up and add each other. Now it’s hi and bye
They say bamboo grows the fastest but they didn't see my ignore list in wow. Seriously dude, it's the only solution for this, next to joining a decent guild. You can't control other people but you can control what you see in your party chat.
I am a current-era player, not on anniversary realms but honestly, anyone who is experiencing this sort of toxic behaviour should just move to a standard era server. Been here for years and a guild master, never experienced any of this even with new players in groups we are honestly a chill bunch. I think that what is happening on these new servers are retail players that are trying the new hotness and classic players who will get to 60 and quit before AQ40 because established guilds wont run with toxic people. Stick it out on the anniversary, and they will soon vanish and go back to a different game or server. Toxicity ruins the experience for everyone and a pro tip, if you are a tank you have ALOT of power, everyone needs a tank, especially with a tank shortage on the new realms so put these guys on ignore and guilds wont let some dps give a tank grief for long.
One thing I’d like to add is that when people talk about “meta” specs in vanilla, they’re talking about the only playable 4-5 specs in endgame.
It’s not really about elitism, the classes are just so poorly designed to the point of unplayable. There’s a reason why Paladins don’t tank raid bosses and Boomkins/Ele Shaman are the least played dps.
Toxicity is why I rerolled on an RP server. I’ve noticed the overall vibe on RP servers is chill and accepting, I’ve had nothing but a positive experience on RP servers. Even if I don’t really RP, it’s fine because the community respects my decision as long as I’m not actively engaging in “anti RP behavior.” If you want to play with chill people who don’t care about the meta, check out an RP server. Seriously, night and day difference!
Too many players come to game with real lives that they hate and/or they regard fellow players as 2D avatars. I used to tank/heal M+. I left that behind and got in the LONG queue for current/classic DPS.
Off topic, you mentioned that you are a new player. I find it very interesting that I see more people new to wow saying that they would rather play classic than retail.
@@bagofchips885 I bet this is strange for sure.
It’s just retail is so confusing and it’s basically a fast paced rail road to end game with nothing else inbetween mattering. Nothing you do or see matters and I think people hate that.
Retails trades depth and intricacy for flashy animations and overly busy rotations & add ons.
@@deployablelover I played WoW back before cata. If not for classic I would not play it at all. I tried retail a year or so ago and I was a bit overwhelmed with all the new stuff. They made it more story focused like FF14 and I didn’t like that all to much. I only play classic now. No real treadmill to keep on. The questing is the best part and not the raids/dungeons .No real rush to end game.
That Is funny to me tbh. I think classic is confusing as heck. Retail seems like it explains everything. Where as classic you need to know everything to be efficent.
an new player playing retail and being not confused is imposiible
@@deployablelover
You are 50% right, retail is more endgame focused though you can have a pretty good time leveling and leveling dungeons are more active in retail than Classic.
But retail has far more depth and complexity overall in every aspect of the game. Professions, classes, hero classes, rotations, various builds per class and overall variety.
Classic has this way of appearing deceptively large the first time you play it until you get to the end and realize you’re basically spamming one button on enemies that are programmed to do one basic mechanic.
A lot of people also confused depth with jank. Vanilla has the jank in spades. Like needing to feed your pet a specific food or it runs away … lol.
its because a lot of people think they are in the top 1% of players... its 1% you arent. In fact the most toxic people tend to be the shittest players going, ive jsut started druid, never tanked before, just tanked first 3 dungeons with 0 issues, well 1 wipe due to fleeing mobs, but no 1 got mad, jsut straight back into it
I think the community is hardcore is slightly more chill. Everyone knows the stakes are high and any BM basically means the group is disbanding bc the moment you feel someone getting pissy it puts everyone else’s life on the line.
What server are you playing on?
There are two things to keep in mind: The Dunning Krueger effect is absolutely real and being bad is considered rude in wow by those guys. The guys barely able to do their rotation think they are hot shit. The actual good players won't get toxic unless brought to their brink, and most of the time only in response to other peoples' toxicity.
I totally get how you feel right now. My favorite classes are warrior and druid, and the leveling dungeon scene for tanking is just a nightmare . . . People really do treat dungeons like a highway they are driving down and you as the tank are just a new driver they are stuck behind. I think similar to driving as well, people forget that there are humans in the other cars
My advice as many others have said is if you are going to tank with strangers, form the groups yourself and have the confidence to kick anyone who trolls. Use clear communication, but don't put up with people's bullshit. I really only tank with my guildies now, as me and my friends are all comfortable enough with each other where if I am pulling too slow they feel okay asking me to try pulling more mobs. When I tanked on era though groups were so hit or miss man
Confidence is key as a tank/healer, as long as you aren't randomly being a dickhead unprovoked or too arrogant to learn/improve (this does not mean listening to everything the DPS say, just acknowledging you have a lot to learn and striving to get better). Even if you have no idea where you're going in the dungeon, or if you're not very good in general: The group does not exist without you. You can trivially get 3 DPS together in less than 30 seconds. Their opinions on how the dungeon should be done are mostly irrelevant. It sounds harsh, but tanks (and healers) need to put their foot down if the DPS are being annoying. That, or leave and find 3 more DPS (or at least threaten to do so). You'd probably clear the dungeon before the previous 3 DPS even fill their group, especially if you can drag the healer with you. You are not obligated to put up with people being jerks.
Note: Do not do the threatening to leave part in hardcore. If you don't like the vibes of your group even a little, just leave immediately. Don't give them the chance to be spiteful or stupid and get you killed.
The classic community is miserable. Quite the opposite experience in retail but most retail players are older adults.
Honestly if this is true this shocks me a lot as I would have assumed the more mature audience is seated in classic due to how flashy and sped up everything in retail is.
@ It depends on what content you’re doing. Raiding experience in retail tends to be super chill, whereas mythic+ can occasionally get toxic where it’s more competitive and time-gated content.
But retail is super casual-friendly overall, there’s a guild called “WoW Made Easy” that does learner raids and mythic dungeons for complete newbies.
Opposite experience. The Retail players are much worse. Its why I left retail a long time ago (BFA) and won't go back.
The Fresh servers are full of crazies, wanna be streamers, bots and folks pushing for world firsts etc.
Thats why the majority of my play is now and has been on either a Hard Core Server (people are much nicer and calmer and move slower if its death=delete unless they are a streamer) or one of the old Classic servers that has some nice comfy guilds that are about sharing and cooperative play (I don't know how many of those exist in the EU servers, ours is in NA and a Roleplaying server rather than a PvP server).
Been playing Mythic+ all season (have 6x2600+ io toons- 2 heals,2 tanks & 2 dps) and while I agree that there is alot of toxicity in the player base I really want to record all my sessions and cut them up to determine what the % chance of encountering toxic players is because I don’t think it’s majority personally. I do know that one bad player across say 3 (I think it’s closer to 1 in 8) runs can make it feel like it’s constant but I think the majority of players just want to get their keys done and have a chill time
Dont get discouraged, if you meet one of those "pros" you got to put them in place, Tanks are rare and DPSs or even heals are expandable
Classic wow dungeon groups can be surprisingly positive, even after a wipe.
They might even wait for you to get to the dungeon, it's the small wins that matter haha
Let's not forget that tanking involves keeping a level head when shit hits the fan. With that said, the low level experience gives you great practice for handling yourself in raid situations where awareness pays off. So weather you do it for a long time or not, tanking is a great way to improve your skillset as a player!
So, what was the deal with that Human Priest in your dungeon run ?
Was he really Alliance Human ? Or was he Undead with some kind of special trinket or something ?
Genuinely I still have no idea. All I can work out was he has some sort of transformation buff under his name plate so I assume it’s for a quest or just something the undead can do?
druid, pally, shaman, priest = healers, Warrior = tank and best dps. rogue warlock, mage hunter = dps not as good as warriors
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Fuck Yes
Getting into a friendly guild is the way to avoid most of the toxic crazies... the fresh servers are mega servers and mega servers are always over competitive crazies and lots of horrible bots.
As someone who is able to play the meta, and play it well, tanking feels super rewarding. It's the Dark Souls of group roles. The nuance is there, but it is also very obvious when you're not exploiting all the nuance well enough. Also, it seems there's a lot worse community on PVP servers, but i don't actually know this.
Longtime vet of classic and I think your assessment is right on the money. It's unfortunate, but I really do think the playerbase has just solved the meta of the game so much that there isn't really any game left for those people. It's unfortunate when people that actually want an adventure, or are even just new, have to deal with people with that kind of mentality. If you stick with it I hope you can find a nice chill guild or group of people to play with and have a good time with dude, it's such a fun world to explore and be a part of! Also yeah mages kind of are a plague, right there with you lol
The longer you play this game the closer you come to either leaving or turning it into a single player game. Has been the same for years. I get that some players experience may and does differ but the point is relevant to a high percentage of the player base throughout the world.
Yeah the community is toxic as hell, learning either healer or tanking on any version of WoW is fucking miserable. This is the game where tankxiety originates from for good (no) reason. This game doesn't even have nearly as horrible consequences for failure as other MMORPGs do so I don't know why everyone is always so fucking toxic over pixels. I wish that everyone that ever flamed a tank or a healer would log off forever.
People forget you can't steam roll 5mans in classic like you can in retail. Just have fun and block the haters bro
Honestly, the only way to really enjoy WOW is to find a guild you mesh well with, raiding or pvp don't really matter. Once you get to end game it just becomes a second job if you don't like the folks your chatting with.
I remember when I tried tanking back in original Wrath. I told the group I was new to tanking and I immediately got kicked from the group. I mostly play warlock these days and I’ve had people complain to me that my dps is low. How is my dps supposed to go up when I use dots, my casting spells have 3 second cast time, and you have the mobs dead before I can cast anything? I just don’t group with people anymore. I chat with people I meet in the open world and that is about it for me socially. Classic WoW is a comfort game for me that I come back to every so often. I won’t do a pvp server again. I leveled up a character on pvp era servers and the ganking made it miserable. The people that want to speed run, mega builds etc need to be playing something more like Path of Exile. PoE would suit those play styles better.
I joined in BC but didn't do much at cap, and finished leveling a Mage for Wrath and started raiding. TLDR: I joined a guild and became class lead. Eventually, I became "the mage guy" on my server, and people who I didn't know and who were not in my guild would whisper me and ask for advice. So I started holding little training sessions at the target dummies in UC, and I would go over everything (talents, enchants, gems, etc.) and then watch them attack the target dummy to see if they were making any mistakes. I've never felt as important to a community, and it was the greatest experience I've ever had in a game. I felt like I was a vital part of a community at a time when information was hard to come by.
Around Warlords of Dreanor I move to private servers vanilla-MoP; most are jaded veterans. Information for these expansions was hard to come by, so I adapted. I started learning as many classes and specs as I could. I wrote guides and posted them for free online. If you played in those times on private servers, you've probably read one of my guides or used one of the addons I was able to edit (the only person who had a proper 3.3.5 Interrupt Bar addon that I'm still proud of; learned to edit lua code just to do it). It was more difficult, and most people didn't want help even in those times, but I had a lot of success stories and made myself useful. I took people who were new and turned them into monsters.
Then Classic came. The population increase was nice. I felt useless again as information was readily available. People were telling me I should make a youtube channel and post all my guides, etc. but there was too much new information and new strategies, etc. I just didn't have the resources to compete. But I still have an impact, no matter how small. I still help people when I can.
So when you tell me you are new, and taking your time, I think that is BEAUTIFUL. FUCK THEM. They don't get the point of this game. You do. The first several YEARS I played this game I was terrible. I did stupid and pointless things, and I enjoyed every moment of it. Don't let these people ruin your fun. This is the best time you will have with this game, when you fall in love with the world. Currently, I rolled a healer on Classic Vanilla, even though I have no plan for endgame.
I've grinded grey mobs to do quests I've never done before. The other day I joined two Rogues in the Barrens for their Poison class quest... just because. It was a great moment. I'm taking my time, healing every dungeon and getting all the quests as I go. I don't even want to raid at end game. The only purpose of this character is to have FUN... and it's freeing. It's like when I first joined the game. Take your time and don't let them ruin it for you.
Players are also addicted to loot drop dopamine hits, META gamers would be gambling addicts at casinos or great for a corporate cut throat job. I have learned to just ignore random players in WOW Classic and do what I want.
this really only happens in vanilla classic. This doesn't happen at all in SoD, and as far as retail, it exists, but not at the lengths it does in classic era/hardcore/anniversary. And its wild to me that this is happening in by far the easiest version of the game. content in those version will fall over regardless of comp
try telling that to elitist of classic too hahahaha. Oh what a conversation. They'll argue till they're blue in the face that MC is soooo hard you need pre raid bis to do it. I tell them if they ccan't beat a raid that is 20 years old without full pre raid bis by now they're just the same old shitters they've always been. Just to see them rage harder.
Small servers are chill, small town everybody knows each other and if you are rude you will not be liked. Unfortunately the devs think we should all play on a mega server, and many people are rude. Best thing on anniversary server is to find a casual new player friendly guild.
dude im playin for 15 years now , random people are always toxic , i mean they can be toxic they can be not ! if you wanna avoid it find a proper leveling guild for yourself since pple usually behave in a guild ! thats how the pug is or basically thats how the life is , feel free to watch a guide before a dungeon before gettin in or tell poeple that you are new , whenever u tell wow players you are new they usually do not shiet on you !
Very true, perhaps the levelling guild is for sure something I need to check out!
@@deployablelover hell yea ! also keep in mind that you can always surrond urself with like minded people by making a guild yourself ! if theres nothing you like out there be the guy who makes it , its a free world after all
new player here, nobody has really tried to ruin my experience. even in general chat people are mostly helpful and cooperative. one toxic guy spurged out on me cuz he got killed in PvP and i was like 15 levels below who killed us. i dont blame him tho, it happens to the best of us
It's so obviously a problem in the anniversary server too. You will see 4-5 groups, all without a tank in the LFG. Your other options are the meta xp/hour melee and spell cleave groups that make me feel like im manually botting for xp. So yeah, im a shaman and i don't dungeon either mate, theres just no tanks at all that want to do normal dungeons and the attitude that the playerbase give to new tanks is exactly why.
Do you play on EU servers? Bc on the US west server I don’t have much problems. Just asking bc I have seen so many TH-cam content creators talking about this and most of the creators are on EU servers.
Been playing this game 20 years, the second anyone gives any kind of shit to me I /ignore them and move on.
In 2019 I can understand people wanted to do the raids that had a reputation from back in the day. Today I honestly don't get it. Toxic elitist farming of everything for the 1000th time for what exactly?
I actually like playing with new players much better for this reason and also so what if we take a small detour in dungeon, it's all exp so why not?
But one thing you don't seem to realize just yet. In raids you need fewer tanks as a fraction of the group. Therefore everybody loves you in dungeons but when it comes to raids nobody has ever heard of you. Without connections or sheer luck, forget raiding as a tank.
I completely agree with you tbh. Im a fairly seasoned vanilla wow player at this point and i still get nights where you have a bad pull and people lose their minds. Personally, i try to not be that person and ignore spergs. A LOT of people are chill but dont say much. Find people that are like minded and friend them, especially healers. Sorry you are struggling with meta goblins.
7:30 is a bad look ngl assuming you told them ur new like u said u do, early dungeons are usually the most dangerous because all classes have barely any abilities or utilities, they’re just telling you to be careful with pulling more than a couple and ur coming off as the toxic one, I also was a new player tanking on warrior and the amount of toxicity I encountered was definitely the minority vs the majority maybe try to have a better outlook to make ur experience more enjoyable and just ignore the blatant slurs and insults that rarely happen
You have a totally valid point for that clip as I think by that point I was so tired of all the moaning I was easily defensive but I can assure you there has been some painful moments.
I always try where possible to just get through the content, look in the bright side as I know things improve.
Well pointed out by the way!
Join a decent guild with ppl that you like, if they are rude or elitist, leave and join another one. Once you find a good guild the game is 100% better. Platying with no guild or solo is just BAD, SAD, TOXIC
I left the Blizzard official WoW Classic servers because of the player "community" toxicity & rampant bots/RMT/cheating. I've been playing on Turtle WoW instead & it's a better & more refined "classic WoW experience" (Classic+ really) on multiple levels.
I'm #1 io tank for my spec on my realm, 5th for the class as a whole. I've experienced the entire range of players. I've played WoW for years and I've played League of Legends and I'm here to tell you it's not even in the same category as far as toxicity goes. It's not great, but just playing something else with a large community will give you a whole new idea of how good we have it in World of Warcraft.
prove your #1
lol word up, I’m hoping it calms down soon. I’m tanking for the first time, and people ain’t happy unless it’s go go go
I gave WoW an honest effort because I wanted to play with my brothers. I tolerated the cartoonish characters, but it took about no time at all to begin receiving unmerited harassment. The game was absolutely not good enough to tolerate that.
I returned to LotRO with alacrity! My brothers were not happy, but I play for fun and entertainment -- not psychological abuse.
my precious!!!
I know people are different - but I freaking love when people are mad in game - it is so funny to know you have pushed someone’s buttons that way
just go play turtlewow,srsly
Im a Priest lvl 21 and my experience for now IS good, lets see in Future dungeons 😅
I am just back to WOW after like 12 years. Wow this is so confusing. I wanted to run Stockades...and that took like 20 minutes of Googling and changing the era I want to play. Why not just make a master list with subtrees of each era, right in the LFG tool?
Do you want me to tell you the main reason why it's so toxic ?
Because of layering and megaservers, with 100.000 players and 10 layers. People don't care, reputation don't matter, you never meet the same people again ; so people behave like shit.
Megaservers and layering is the worst thing to happen to this game.
And same, been playing MMO's since 2004, and this is the worst experience I ever had by far.
I couldn't imagine jumping into WoW as a new player and taking on the tank role lol. The real problem isn't necessarily the toxicity, it's the fact the game has been figured out to such an extent that so many players just expect people to know what to do, especially in older content that's been done a million times.
Can't say im completely innocent in being toxic though, while I won't necessarily call anyone out I WILL get internally frustrated over major inefficiencies when im lvling my 60th alt. As for endgame content ive been out of it so long ive absolutely experienced the other side where I am not up to par on mechanics and meta and have copped it quite hard when healing/DPSing lol
I don't know the solution in all this, because the game really is some peoples identities and it's hard to reason with unreasonable people. It's a good discussion to keep having though, there has to be some room for people to lose their shit/banter but we also need to dial it back the fuck down sometimes too and realise when we are just heated in the moment and its ok to apologise.
The players in wow are awful. They totally ruined season of discovery. I find horde players a lot more toxic than alliance players in MY experience.
Just play the game how you like and ignore these people. By lvl 55 I got tired of these people too. And before joining a group, I asked pro or noob. And when they answered 'pro' I answered, no thank you. I rather wipe 5 times and be able to learn the game than be part of factory line, just to see some more blue items.
I even created a blacklist and whitelist. For rude and nice people. As a tank, it takes 1s to find a dungeon group. So these rude people just make it harder on themselfs in the end.
Don't let the hate get to you. I felt exactly the same way playing wow classic. I really dislike this meta gaming approach, where everything is about reaching the end instead of enjoying the experience. Pick up groups in very popular MMO's are always a gamble. A group of friends is pretty much required. I much prefer the Lotro community where you don't see this often. Especially not with the lower-level instances.
You'd probably have a much better time as anything other than a tank. It's expected that the tank knows how to lead the group and it's impossible to do that as a new player.
I'd probably roll a DPS and then level a tank after you've learned the content. Either that or find a guild who would help you learn the ropes.
Retail is for sure but classic totally different IMHO>
I have rejoined this game almost 5 times now because I get burned out. This time will be the last time leaving the game. It's all become so boring. For those than enjoy it, nice, cool. But I need more depth in a game rather than "seasons" and grinds for this and that. It's just so shallow now.
First off your fantastic, but you have unknowingly chosen the hardest path through Wow classic. Alot of what your running into (in my opinion) is a symptom of the classic game design where there is objectively a correct way to play the game. It's not that Classes other than warrior can't tank but the gap their tool kit is so large everyone else will need to play around you. And wile DPS is known to be the most toxic roll no one like having to gimp their capabilities to accommodate a strangers play style. Non of this is obvious to a new player, and the only remedy is it find a group of people that make up for the short commings of the game.
P.S you inspired me to check out DDO and Lotro again, o7
@@Combaticus42 I absolutely understand fully what you are referring to here. Thank you for the kind words and advice!
It is an old game veterans can get tired of new players. And the META I 100% researched and known
@@krauz111 this is absolutely a given and very much the case
its not the vets its kids from retail
Today I was considering resubbing, Sort of wanted to play me DH tank. I have not played since early SH and you reminded me why I left.
If you can't find a guild you vibe with I wouldn't stick it out. Meta only gets worse and worse as phases progress.
It's one of the reasons I stopped in TBC re-release. Was a Rogue and you only needed 1 a raid. Community is full of meta swiping nubs.
Yeah I quit the game because of this reason, some other reasons too but this is a major one. I want to have fun in a game not sweat, and when you get shit on for that then it's time to leave. Games are supposed to be fun, chill and an escape tool to make you feel better. Toda's gaming culture though is "meta or you're an idiot"... Like ANYONE cares how good you are in a fckng videogame....
Yes it is and the way I deal with it is I seek refuge in dad guilds.
I need me a dad guild ASAP.
lfm end game instance need all - everything valuable hard res
Its the kids, they are all hopped up on Mt. Dew
Weird, i have had the complete opposite experience.
30~ dungeons in and have met exactly 1 awful person.
The rest have been great.
maybe you are the toxic one then.
@dabillya6845 😆 perhaps it's just Alliance pve is fine.
i said this in the previous video but consider playing hardcore, theres more giving-a-shit in dungeons when everyone knows their character is on the line, maybe the dps actually waits for aggro, people who are complete donkeys dont last as long
We classic Andys are a diffrent kind of breed :D alot of us play this version of wow for 15+ years and it never even crosses our mind someone plays this for the first time and doesnt know everything in and out. I mean the toxicity is unacceptable imo but u wont get rid of it in Pugs. I hope u find a helpful newplayer friendly guild
Man I was all with you until the weapons on your warrior bit. I get that it is an RPG and personally I like a sword and board on my warrior as well, but the game is also an MMO and the game has strict guidelines for each class/spec to make them function. It is a forgivable mistake but the game does a pretty good job imo of making sure you know what weapons and gear you should be using via passives, talents, and ability restriction. In the end the game is multiplayer and by refusing to use the weapon/armor designed for your class/spec you are going to face harsh penalties and therefore be essentially useless in group content. Thus wasting their time and/or making them carry you all because of "Muh fantasy". The game can be quite toxic as you've pointed out with many other points in the video with Classic being by far the worst of it.
Wow is the most toxic game I've ever played. When you get a nice group, it's really wondeful. However the community in general is the nost hateful and racist I know. Idk if EU experience is different from other regions, but it amazes me how much hateful msgs blizzard lets fly.
Sadly I think wow as a game is really newbie friendly, but the community sweatlords optimize the fun out of the game just to get seconds faster runs.
Use the ignore feature. It will make your gameplay better. Ignore the crazies 😂
I agree. For me WoW has hands down the worst community. PvP is the worst and some of it is warranted. So many salty peeps in pvp and dungeons no one talks except for a few.
If anything it shouls be more toxic.
Can only say it from my PoV, and that is as a dadgamer, like alot of the other classic players, u know you have maybe 1-2 hours to play before u have go log off, and you expect say sfk to take like max an hour but it turns out your joining a slowpoke grp and the run will take like 4 hours for no reason then u tell ppl to speed up ofc, but no excuses for being a pri*k tho
Wow is incredibly toxic, I’ve been playing since 2004. No excuses or whataboutisms, I’ve played every popular mmo and many indie. Wow is by far the worst. Exceptions have been smaller vanilla private servers.
I use to be in raiding guilds and stopped in Cataclysm. I then stopped grouping all together after MoP.
I do think the most vocal are the worst and the better people are the ones who aren’t doing pugs or speaking in general chat.
The development choices over time have created this environment.
@@RPGenieUS Yeah it's sad that players like the Tanks and Healers need to play dictators inside of groups to stop this BS especially in Classic WoW
Maybe you should switch to alliance... I haven't noticed any toxicity tbh.
I'm glad you said this. Wow is pretty toxic, especially the deeper you go into high level content. I don't have much to say I just wanted to leave a comment.
I hear you and its everywhere even irL i think alot has to do with no consequences. Hopefully you find your groove with a crowd that you can chill with in game. Till then as a tank especially you have an ability that most other roles dont have as good as you and that is " remove from group" flat out kick em out and replace it also has no cool down. Might seem like booting em is in line with being toxic but hell no...its accountability, id rather replace or finish the run with 4 that go with the flow than 5 that go against the current.
People are toxic the try hards ruin it.. Also Druids are better than Warriors Tank druid ftw.
Another thing that you may want to consider, Horde players are more pvp focused. While Alliance is more PvE focused. The pvp crowd is more toxic than the PvE crowd. I would suggest giving both factions a try, and see what you think. From my own experience, Alliance is more friendly than Horde, due to this pve/pvp focus.
Yea ppl will argue “both sides are the same” but i disagree alliance players are usually nicer
I have generally had the opposite experience. I play horde due to alliance toxicity
@@MrAnarchyleecher in my experience horde are more polite
I've always played horde but decided to try alliance for fresh classic. There are SO many more assholes
Alliance is full of the trans and lefty types that try to brow beat you with their insane political views and condescension and look to mass report you any chance they get.
Meanwhile horde players openly flame each other and banter and be chill to hang out with. I'll take horde players every day of the week.
it'll get better in the 20s
Well edgy teens and manchilds is the majority of the playerbase
Hey man get the add on called voice over, it’s made my experience questing so much better! Sorry you had a shit time in dungeons also.
I have such little faith in the wow community im surprised no one is flaming you for "wasting" the rend buff while recording this lol
Add me you’re welcome to run with me any time. Been playing since vanilla. No flaming new players
Oh I just realized you’re Horde I can’t help you mate but there are good people out there. As a lifelong horde player it tends to be more loose and so the name calling if you’re not great is also more normalized
Dungeons are the worst part of this game tbh, it sucks that some gear is only dropped in them. I almost got inted in WC over needing on a +4agi +4stam boots which was an actual upgrade for me xD this community kinda sucks even compared to LoL.. at least league you just go n talk shit for a few minutes n fuck off. On WoW especially if you're jumping on HC they can take away hours or days of your time and effort by ninja looting or griefing.
imagine calling this giga casual game toxic. Come to league to see real toxicity.
yes, yes it is ...sadly
the reason why you're having a bad time cuz you're playing as horde :)
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