cool video and such a nice genuine guy! we sometimes forget that there are people who dont ride in the alps all day long instead just want to ride around the hill in their area.
I couldn’t agree more about the battery. I recently brought a 2nd 500wh battery as a backup to the 625wh battery that was originally shipped with my TR5 alloy. The weight difference between the two powertubes is stark to say the least and totally changes the riding characteristics of the bike. It’s the number one reason why I only use the smaller power cell at bike parks!
Yeah well after blowing up wheels left and right on my carbon Levo I switched to Envy and also added Cushcore with Maxxis Assegai 2.6 and I have had zero problems since this time. I think getting stuck way back in the boonies because you shed 4-5 lbs is not a wise decision unless you are a racer and it really makes a difference. Yeah the Cushcore is optional and I get it but I am big and after burping my front tire and not destroying a $2000 set of wheels I am happy. I just design everything for strength and reliability and I am happy and this includes making sure I have 32 spoke wheels. Also, this confidence adds to the pleasure of just pulling my bike, oiling the chain, and going for miles. I think if you are over 180-200 lbs and are designing around lightweight and are not a racer you are just throwing your money away and more than once if it’s around your wheels. Just my opinion but I have been riding for almost 35 years down and up hairy trails and I like my theory.
The rock guards are brilliant,have one on my cube stereo,saved my motor lots of times,its cracked,dented,scratched,but hasn’t broke! Best £60 i spent,well worth the money
In my Trek Rail carbon owner opinion, too many bits require customization and replacement to achieve that below 19.5kg mark... Good to know that it can be done but I will stick with my factory setup for now 😊
Loving Waks enthusiasm to have the best ride that you can n it's great to be picking up fresh ideas to try out on my trek, like the battery& the cover 👌
this is a great video, i have just ordered a 500 battery for my rail, i never run out on the 625, in fact it's too big for my uses, so this all makes perfect sense !, great advice
Funny I went down the road that Wak has with the 500 battery over the 625 also the Lyric forks exactly what he's done there plus quite a few other mods on my Cube stereo
A vote up for RockGuards. Very good fit and secure. Most importantly very robust. Does the job. Does that battery cover keep the water out without a bit of lecky tape round the join?
Full power ebikes are great if you are actually riding these.. like actually running black trails, my advice is if your going to hit large drops and jumps. Creating the lightest bike you can is folly. You need to build your wheels heavy and strong. Cushcore atleast on your rear. Iv learnt this the hard way. If your not riding hard, sure, it probably doesn't matter, build your bike as light as you want.
Brilliant ideas to get the bike lighter. Have either of you herd through the great vine if lithium sulphur batteries are being developed for the e bikes yet.
Why the obsession with light weight bikes? I have heard more than once on the channel that the extra weight makes the suspension work better. So which is it? Less weight or better suspension action.
My bike is as heavy a a small motorbike an it's still rapid but the top of my legs are massive 😅. Think I put more leg power in the bike then I did without a motor to get to 30mph. I actually like the feel of it.. my new plus e is way lighter and slower. Don't make sense but true.. great vid guys👍
I have done the same, empty the yari, throw out the Motion control damper, clean it, throw in the charger 2.1 damper upgrade, fill it with oil from the bottom(like you do on a lower leg Service) you now have a lyric ultimate for 200-300 Euro. Best upgrade i made to the rail. Night and day difference
I believe it! But just asking for a friend's brother's family dog..."Did we actually put it to a scale to weigh John's latest modified Rail?" (At least on video). Remember, it's the pesky doubting family dog that poses the query! I'm just forwarding the question.😉
does it really make a difference while total weight of the bike is fraction of total weight of rider? whats the difference between 89 and 92kg? you sacrifice maxium distance over 3 kg lighter bike? whats the point?
Most difference are light poppy carbon wheels, with a semi slick in the rear(minion ss) and use only lighter casings. Its all about rotational mass. I have got two ready to go wheel sets, tough enduro ones on alloy wheels, where i put a mud tyre up front in the Winter and a light but still pretty strong carbon one with lighter, harder compound and less knobby tyres. I would Stick to the Stock battery and would care more about the wheels... But i have to say the yari upgrade is great i have done the same, for 200-300 Euro i basically got a lyric ultimate
I thought the whole point of an ebike was to not worry about weight as the motor will take care of it. So leave the 38mm Zeb’s on, put on the grippiest tyres you can…….. leave the weight saving to normal mtb’s which have to be self propelled?
@@MB-jz3uu he was probably referring the casing. He's using exo casing which is the lightest weight one usually reserved for xc and light weight trail bikes not a long travel ebike.
@@nebnollock5198 I've run exo front and rear on my enduro bike for 3 years, with no tire inserts, no problems, and I spend most of my time at a very rocky bike park. Rims are DT Swiss FR560, bike is Bird AM9 Front tire: Maxxis Minion DHF 29" x 2.6" WT 120 3C Maxx Terra EXO TR (995g) Rear tire: Maxxis Aggressor 29" x 2.5" WT EXO TR Dual Compound (980g)
@@wx2999 It's strange the difference in user experiences because it's easy to find someone who says they can't not get multiple punctures on their exo+ with inserts and had to go tougher and then there's peeps like you that seem to get away with BS
y'all need to start treat ebike, power to weight ratio, because I could just put a one single cell batterie and still calling lightest ebike ever. this one is 20 watts per kilo, vs for example a Radon Deft 8.0 750 with ratio of 30.6wh/kg
Chasing the lightest bike possible is so “analog bike” thinking. With power, why would you want a light bouncy bike that has light components that wear out quickly. I love how solid my full fat Turbo Levo rides. Emtbs should be striving for durability vs. weight
Here are some reasons to not ignore weight: greater range/efficiency, less wear on the motor and drivetrain, better suspension performance if the weight is unsprung, ability to use analog bike components, ability to use a bike rack that has a normal weight limit, having a similar ride feel to an analog bike.
John should be a full time presenter knows his stuff ... love videos with him in
Unlike the actual presenter who has never touched a derailleur adjustment screw! 5:44
cool video and such a nice genuine guy! we sometimes forget that there are people who dont ride in the alps all day long instead just want to ride around the hill in their area.
I couldn’t agree more about the battery. I recently brought a 2nd 500wh battery as a backup to the 625wh battery that was originally shipped with my TR5 alloy. The weight difference between the two powertubes is stark to say the least and totally changes the riding characteristics of the bike. It’s the number one reason why I only use the smaller power cell at bike parks!
Yeah well after blowing up wheels left and right on my carbon Levo I switched to Envy and also added Cushcore with Maxxis Assegai 2.6 and I have had zero problems since this time. I think getting stuck way back in the boonies because you shed 4-5 lbs is not a wise decision unless you are a racer and it really makes a difference. Yeah the Cushcore is optional and I get it but I am big and after burping my front tire and not destroying a $2000 set of wheels I am happy. I just design everything for strength and reliability and I am happy and this includes making sure I have 32 spoke wheels. Also, this confidence adds to the pleasure of just pulling my bike, oiling the chain, and going for miles. I think if you are over 180-200 lbs and are designing around lightweight and are not a racer you are just throwing your money away and more than once if it’s around your wheels. Just my opinion but I have been riding for almost 35 years down and up hairy trails and I like my theory.
The rock guards are brilliant,have one on my cube stereo,saved my motor lots of times,its cracked,dented,scratched,but hasn’t broke! Best £60 i spent,well worth the money
In my Trek Rail carbon owner opinion, too many bits require customization and replacement to achieve that below 19.5kg mark... Good to know that it can be done but I will stick with my factory setup for now 😊
my bike stock was 21.1kg in 2014 it now goes 40 mph @120rpm 🤖
Loving Waks enthusiasm to have the best ride that you can n it's great to be picking up fresh ideas to try out on my trek, like the battery& the cover 👌
Thanks Stevie for another great edition on EMTB!!!
this is a great video, i have just ordered a 500 battery for my rail, i never run out on the 625, in fact it's too big for my uses, so this all makes perfect sense !, great advice
Fred Dibnah of the mountain bike world 😊
Some great tips please more of John, would be interesting if you did a ride review of his lightweight trail setup vs more downhill...
Funny I went down the road that Wak has with the 500 battery over the 625 also the Lyric forks exactly what he's done there plus quite a few other mods on my Cube stereo
A vote up for RockGuards. Very good fit and secure. Most importantly very robust. Does the job. Does that battery cover keep the water out without a bit of lecky tape round the join?
Love this dude🤙🏻
The close up of the tyres looked cracked and perished on the treads!
But liked what he has done with it 👍
What a great interesting guy this Wak / John!!!
Wak seams to know everything about everything and more…? Let’s see more of this Wak Wak and Waks Hacks
Should have used clicktape instead of velcro to attach the battery cover. Also the battery adapter can be 3d printed in SLS and save more weight.
Full power ebikes are great if you are actually riding these.. like actually running black trails, my advice is if your going to hit large drops and jumps. Creating the lightest bike you can is folly. You need to build your wheels heavy and strong. Cushcore atleast on your rear.
Iv learnt this the hard way.
If your not riding hard, sure, it probably doesn't matter, build your bike as light as you want.
Brilliant ideas to get the bike lighter. Have either of you herd through the great vine if lithium sulphur batteries are being developed for the e bikes yet.
The man talks sense!! 👌🏻👌🏻
Lose weight by two kg and win! The cheapest option, you also keep the warranty.😅
Why the obsession with light weight bikes? I have heard more than once on the channel that the extra weight makes the suspension work better. So which is it? Less weight or better suspension action.
All major bike manufacturers have increased there starter e bike by £1000. They used to start at £2700. Now it is hard to find any emtb below £3.700
It is what it is man, not much we can do about it
Legend!
love that new battery plate probly now that solves battery nasty rattle probly will make it also
I bet it keeps the battery compartment bone dry as well ! 🤣😂😁
I run 180mm yaris on a 140 rear bike,barely notice any difference from the standard 150 apart from all the extra confidence you get
My bike is as heavy a a small motorbike an it's still rapid but the top of my legs are massive 😅. Think I put more leg power in the bike then I did without a motor to get to 30mph. I actually like the feel of it.. my new plus e is way lighter and slower. Don't make sense but true.. great vid guys👍
2:16 never heard of yari lyrik fork combo before
Might be a Yari with Lyrik internals... I think they share the same body and it's only the inside bits that are different.
I have done the same, empty the yari, throw out the Motion control damper, clean it, throw in the charger 2.1 damper upgrade, fill it with oil from the bottom(like you do on a lower leg Service) you now have a lyric ultimate for 200-300 Euro.
Best upgrade i made to the rail. Night and day difference
@@michael_the_chef I did the same with the domain
Now it's a zeb ultimate! 😂
@@Lee-ic2yn, nice 👍👍
i prefer to hit the gym get a bit stronger and keep my bike as it is capable of doing it all at all times :D ! peace
John you genius
More of WAC please 👍
I believe it! But just asking for a friend's brother's family dog..."Did we actually put it to a scale to weigh John's latest modified Rail?" (At least on video). Remember, it's the pesky doubting family dog that poses the query! I'm just forwarding the question.😉
Ive got a 4 yr old haibike full suspension , full power , 500wh battery . Ali frame , out the box €3000
22kg. Need i say more........
5:44 “I’ve never actually touched one of those things” (derailleur adjustment screw). I’m lost for words! That’s not a good thing to admit. 😮
I bet the gmbn tech guys sort it for him, nevertheless, basic mtb tuning skills everyone should know. Even a embn presenter 😆
does it really make a difference while total weight of the bike is fraction of total weight of rider? whats the difference between 89 and 92kg? you sacrifice maxium distance over 3 kg lighter bike? whats the point?
Most difference are light poppy carbon wheels, with a semi slick in the rear(minion ss) and use only lighter casings. Its all about rotational mass.
I have got two ready to go wheel sets, tough enduro ones on alloy wheels, where i put a mud tyre up front in the Winter and a light but still pretty strong carbon one with lighter, harder compound and less knobby tyres.
I would Stick to the Stock battery and would care more about the wheels...
But i have to say the yari upgrade is great i have done the same, for 200-300 Euro i basically got a lyric ultimate
I thought the whole point of an ebike was to not worry about weight as the motor will take care of it. So leave the 38mm Zeb’s on, put on the grippiest tyres you can…….. leave the weight saving to normal mtb’s which have to be self propelled?
Who makes that carbon battery cover?
its only me who is distracted by the orientation of the patch on steves jackets?
If anyone wants to build the carbon battery covers or finds one somewhere. I want one!!
Cool bike. Haven’t we seen it before?
Where are the new Husqvarna? With they beeing the channel sponsor and all, why you not have the new carbon mountain cross ?
Saweeeet !
but is it aero?
Tyres are way too sketchy. One the best parts of eBiking is the massive grippy confidence inspiring tyres!
Yeah especially on an ebike, I'd never run below a exo+ on the rear of my trail bike but I guess it's down to what you ride
2.4 isn't sketchy imo. 2.2 and smaller is sketchy.
@@MB-jz3uu he was probably referring the casing. He's using exo casing which is the lightest weight one usually reserved for xc and light weight trail bikes not a long travel ebike.
@@nebnollock5198 I've run exo front and rear on my enduro bike for 3 years, with no tire inserts, no problems, and I spend most of my time at a very rocky bike park. Rims are DT Swiss FR560, bike is Bird AM9
Front tire:
Maxxis Minion DHF 29" x 2.6" WT 120 3C Maxx Terra EXO TR (995g)
Rear tire:
Maxxis Aggressor 29" x 2.5" WT EXO TR Dual Compound (980g)
@@wx2999 It's strange the difference in user experiences because it's easy to find someone who says they can't not get multiple punctures on their exo+ with inserts and had to go tougher and then there's peeps like you that seem to get away with BS
Not going anywhere on it without some pedals first 😂😂
innovation: dork disc shaped like BIIIIG COG
y'all need to start treat ebike, power to weight ratio, because I could just put a one single cell batterie and still calling lightest ebike ever. this one is 20 watts per kilo, vs for example a Radon Deft 8.0 750 with ratio of 30.6wh/kg
Jeez, my alloy XL Rail is 26kg!
Yeah probably the XL and 625w battery?
Chasing the lightest bike possible is so “analog bike” thinking. With power, why would you want a light bouncy bike that has light components that wear out quickly. I love how solid my full fat Turbo Levo rides. Emtbs should be striving for durability vs. weight
Here are some reasons to not ignore weight: greater range/efficiency, less wear on the motor and drivetrain, better suspension performance if the weight is unsprung, ability to use analog bike components, ability to use a bike rack that has a normal weight limit, having a similar ride feel to an analog bike.
also... then you add three botles of water, repair kit etc.
You heard it here folks ,Wak likes a soft bottom .
Those tyres will last 1 trail....
Old mates tyres need replaced.
Go even lighter get rid of the bloody battery. Lol.
Lolll but climbing on an ebike is the best
19kg hahah omg, why not just buy a motorcycle in that place if u dont want to pedal :P
Motorcycles aren't as fun
Why do people still think you don't pedal or get a work out on emtbs
Seriously
Ride one and realise how wrong you are
@@Lee-ic2yn if I don't want to pedal I rather use my motorcycles
@@Pillokun again
Go and try one and you'll see you're talking BS