@८ ८ not violence but exploitation in a very small area in the Pan-Indian subcontinent. Violence simply based on weird differences and ideas of God or Colour or race is a thing of Middle Eastern and Western people. Indian Cultures/Dharmic Cultures never had such problems ever.
Where is violence in Jesus? People do violence in the Name to cover their human lusts...but Jesus is Lord God Almighty and all Love. Unlike the false religions that bolster the immoral caste and related systems
@@sarajobs9606 you only know what you are taught and what you ought to learn LOOK AT CHRIST JESUS HE IS THE GREATEST PEOPLE USE RELIGION TO FUEL POLITICS ALSO DONT FORGET THAT ALSO CHRISTIANITY IS THE BEST YOU CAN COMPARE AND SEE WITH ALL THE OTHER RELIGIONS IN THE WORLD EG ISLAM, HINDUISM, BUDDHISM ETC..
There is a book titled"SANTOS OU ARRAUCEIROS" in Portuguese by EVAGRIO JORGE translated into ENGLISH by THOMAS DIAS titled"SAINTS OR THUGS"". Regarding INQUISITION OF GOA.
Don't fabricate lies in the name of religion and spread such foolish accusations It is because of this the inter religious harmony of our society is destroyed
He is not willing to accept much of what the Vatican has admitted. In 1494, the Pope divided the world into two and allocated one half each to Spain and Portugal, knowing the brutality of both fully well. The rest, as they say, is history. But this man even defends all of that.
christianity overtook Eurppe like every other religion ... by force-- we Europeans were pagans before christianity and we had different indo-germanic religions, like slavic celtic germanic roman and greek religions (all pretty same... like in all indo-germanic religions... you have a male fatherfigure like zeus wotan etc. .. a motherlike goddess.. and their kids and some smaller gods) .... but konstantin the late roman emporer has choosen christianity cause his opponents believed in the old gods ... he won the battle against his oppontents and all of us had to convert (it was not only peaceful...in alexandria ..which was a roman-greek city in egypt at that time ...many pagans were massacred by our "peaceful" christians forefahters) ... your Lords and Kings choose your religion and it is passed in the family from the father to the son ..thats how it works generally all over the world ...thats why you believe what you believe ...there are rare examples of ppl choosing their own religion regardless of the religions of their fathers ...happens very very rare... in most cases our religions are our cultural heritages best regards ...love and respect
Where did you get this "germanic" religions!? None of these were germanic, and they were not religions like what we have today. Also paganism never existed. Word pagan means "the people". So these religions were peoples religions or tribal religions. If we talk about Europe, the largest megalith is the Balkan area (ex Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Albania, Greece, Italy), not Germany or the North.
If Christianity is not responsible for the violence in Americas, Africa, Austria and where ever Christianity went then he should explain why this happens only with Abrahamic religions and not with the rest.
@@mxxmauuhan3597 I recently saw a debate of Javed with Tarek Fatah and he was talking like this person when he was asked questions on Mughal kings. Same as this person did.
When they compare Hindus to Pagans just because of the common theme of Polytheism and nature worship, I can't help but laugh at their ignorance. European Paganism is totally different from Hinduism. They used to sacrifice not just animals but also Humans.Their rituals included blood while we consider blood as impure. Hindus wouldn't have touched them with a 10 ft pole. It was totally "Rakshas" like polytheism. Hence they were all called as Mlecchas. Tbh, Pagan Europe would be scarier than Christian Europe. Modern Christianity may have actually stopped all scary rituals. But Europeans burned witches due to their paranoia and committed unthinkable crimes during medieval era. Abrahamic religions comes with Paranoia. Britishers came up with the Sati concept to distract the world from their witch hunts. Even though we can prove that forced Sati was a lie. They made disparaging documentaries on Hindus. Made us look like some stone age pagans, urging missionaries to convert India. We need to organize Hinduism like they did in Bali. Only then we can stop the missionaries.
Well this is not a new theme. The Germans even culturally appropriated Indian scriptures for the new wave of the Nordic race BS. The English used Indian traditional knowledge and resources to further their bland nation's prosperity while condescending upon Indians, even trying to assimilate us into second grade Englishmen. The dutch renaissance happened single handedly because the dutch east India company was able to do business with India. But once they had gripped our earth, they too went back to the European urge for conversion. I would not even want to start with the Portuguese and Spanish. They try to derive identity from better civilisations eversowhile demeaning the originals.
Please explain the ways to stop Expansionism of these abrahmic faith! Poor or undereducated people go for Abrahamic faith as it doesn't have deep and complex philosophies, how would Hinduism counter them with its deep philosophical and spirituality inclination. Poor people know "hell or heaven" and these Abrahmic faiths lie to thier face that they'll surely get them to heaven. Please tell how one can stop encroachment of simplistic shallow abrahmic faiths?
@P G that father doesn't represent hinduism fool.....and yea next time u put such serious allegations give some authentic sources( and by authentic I don't mean scroll, wire, print, bbc, ndtv etc....) Human sacrifice was prevalent in Vedic times but the people performing those rituals were termed as rakshasas .....
Hi totan, I would recommend u to read this article: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.hinduhumanrights.info/europes-true-identity-christian-or-really-pagan/&ved=2ahUKEwjfqaP4j4zsAhW7zDgGHVWLAV0QFjAOegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw1zzd1l1vE4UktlAeooprV3 The European polytheism and sanatan dharma are very closely connected as the former is product of latter. And ye mleccha was used to describe muslims . Europeans were termed yavan. In mahabharat too there is mention of yavans taking part in the war. And recently, large lingams have been unearthed in Turkey and Greece.
This is classic Thesis, Anti-Thesis, Synthesis strategy. The Christians say that what the Kingdoms were do was wrong, but yet benefit entirely from it.
From a careful listening to the debate, it appears to me that Andino is trying hard to remove the harshness of the Christian assimilation of various cultures around the world. He is saying this must be seen in the context of people coming together for a 'positive project.' Positive for whom? And positive for what? Creating more and more powerful Christian church as a replacement for all the world's regional thinking? This is not only terrible, but to be avoided to keep the world's multiculturalism alive. Andino somehow wants to try to keep the point that Christianity has taken over things after they were dead (in the context of frescos in early christian graves). This is obviously not true. They kill the entire indigenous thought process by eating away at it from all sides, declare it dead and eat it up (a.k.a - Sanskrit is a dead language). It is these kind of apologists of Christian faith that Esther Dhanraj is warning us against. Watch out for such people.
He is a Catholic. His idea of nationalism seems to be largely aimed at protecting the Christian Western culture against what they did to the natives before. Hindutva (whose culture _is_ one of the "natives") cannot align with such forces, I'm afraid. Anyways, good discussion.
@N M in Holland about 27% is Christian (you can do perfectly without). The last decades we have a huge influx of muslims (some 6% now), and this is a very worrying trend (parallel society). Problem now is that modern secularist have the tendency to socialism. Most folks have esoteric preference (Mother Earth), with here and there some elements of Buddhism or Hinduism.
@@bodonagtegaal1214 Whole world must revive their pre christian philosophies. Abrahamic Supremist mono theistic culture like islam Christianity & communism r path to Humanity's destruction. World must move past these ideologies.
25:25 I think this sums up Eduardo's position - Multi-culturalism in the West is great, so long as they all embrace Christianity (preferably Catholicism). These newly "assimilated" people could then also be instrumental in spreading the 'Good News' (as they often call it) back into their native countries (he didn't make this statement directly, but it's obvious from his allusion to native cultures embracing Catholicism, as a positive change in them). Rajiv on the other hand, is more of a nativist. He would like the native cultures of the world to have their own cultural (including religious) sovereignty. I find their conflict of interest near-irreconcilable. The discussion was good, but their long-term goals aren't in alignment. Which yet again proves what I've been saying - Western conservatism (which is inherently expansionist - after all, conservatism is about preserving one's societal values, & expansionism is a core Western value) cannot align with Hindutva (which is inherently nativist). Hindus are in the same basket as the Greeks, Chinese, Egyptians, etc... not the Northern European West.
Its very important to notice what ever the fact rajiv ji saying the guy is accepting it but replacing rajiv jis hard word with his soft flowery words. And look at our indian intellectuals whatever the shit west says about us they just do copy paste of those violent words cant have any new words to replace them.
ARUN SHOURIE written 2 books 1) MISSIONARIES in INDIA ASA --1994 2) HARVESTING OUR SOULS. These two books gives insight into GLOBAL CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES ACTIVITIES & critical study of"BIBLE"
Whatever maybe the outcome of a discussion is one thing, but I do appreciate the fact that even today there are people with decency who are willing to come on the table and have sensible debates unlike the communists in India and other places around who hide behind and pull the strings and when called out they mock and label people and when confronted will try to shout you down or even become violent. In a debate we may or may not agree with another and each side of course thinks that they are right but at least there can still be some common ground where both parties can agree upon.
Eduardo is making every case exception as norm. He does not accept what were western institutions' view but quoting here and there some people to say institutes meant nothing. Very apologist kind of attitude.
- actually Lithuania zealously remained Pagan - till about 500 years ago - - they were never conquered by a christian power - Christianity crept in there only after the kingdoms of Poland and Lithuania joined forces against sweedish forces - - the royalties inter-married and thats how christianity crept into lithuania - lithuania still hold some of their pagan practises dear to them -
Only thing I can make here is that the way Christianity was framed you look at the structure, Mega churches and all stuff its a way lot more clear that they are not planning a spiritual world there, On the eastern dharmic religion you will never find a pope or mega temples, big conversion plans, holy orders, and all such stuff. In Europe look at the northern crusades its a well documented case for church attack on pagans.. Maybe religion started with good thoughts (Not spiritual) but for sure it lead to much bloodshed comparing the population size at that time of east (we always ranked first) and west. In addition to that the war ethics of India and west can also show many moral differences (all well documented)
it is very interesting to see a christian representative contesting all about violence, plagiarism, slavery and all other sinful activities (in name of God). Remembering Indian History, Britishers in name of Christianity did all these sinful things, he will never contest on that.
For them, the ends justify the means. Things they would consider sinful inter se are justified, excused and even honoured when done in pursuit of religious expansion. Sins will be absolved by Jesus, there is no karma and punarjanma..The Church is the agency through which one gets redemption from God...
Thrinethran T.V Christ not an “agency” :) god is loving and merciful and he can forgive even the worst of sinners IF they truly repent. It’s not like you buy repentance you have work towards it
Do you know who destroyed the bodhi tree ..the ashokan stupas? Do you know who called the relations of jains and Hindus to that of snake and mongoose ?
First of all they came in The name of trade Secondly AS CHRISTIANS ALL ARE CALLED TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST THE SAVIOUR DON'T FORGET THAT ALL THE URBANIZATION, RAILWAY , PARLIAMENTARY BUILDING AND MOST IMPORTANT THE EDUCATION WERE BROUGHT BY THE BRITISHERS AGREED THAT THEY DID HARM BUT THEY ALSO HELP INDIA TO GROW AND DEVELOP AND BECOME A GREAT NATION
Great conversation, it was like an elder in the family explaining the historical facts to a young boy.. Wherein young boy keeps on saying, "You are correct BUT that's not how it was presented in my school books.." Quoting missionaries to prove history during crusades is like relying on Quran/Bible to know how this world was created.
His denial of well documented Christian atrocities in America & across Globe is ridiculous. Sala Full Nautanki Baaz. Hats off to Rajiv Ji to put up with this dishonest arrogant fellow & not loose cool at his blatant denial of pure facts. Yeh banda aaj ghar se yehi soch ke aaya hai ke iss ko saab kuch negate karna hai.
*When the missionary came, we had the land and they had the Bible. They taught us to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened our eyes, they had the land and we had the Bible* - *Jomo Kenyatta*
I would recommend u to read the darkening ages by Catherine Nixey....best book on this subject....it especially talks about the greaco-roman civilizations..
Rajiv Malhotra should have mentioned how Denmark became Christian. The King of Denmark became Christian but the priests would not follow him and the king invited all the priests for a conference and put them inside a building and while the discussion was going on he left and burnt all the local religious heads alive. He then forced the public to follow Christianity. This is what the Danish people told me when I was living in Denmark. Christianity was brutal across the world and destroyed all religions by force without even understanding their cultures. What they did in America is unpardonable where all the native Indian religions were destroyed. What Vasco da Gama did in India is also a case in point.
I loved the video, but would like to add something more. The worst genocide in history wan't of native Americans, but of Indian Hindus by Arab & Turk muslims, who killed upto 80-100 million Hindus.
RM @1:51 “…Constantine, consolidated it into the New Testament…” Andino: @1:52: “I would contest that.” Me: What RM should have said is that Constantine consolidated the exclusivity of Christ and made it into law by threatening to persecute anyone who didn’t accept it. There were many Gospels of Christ, but Irenius, a French Christian between 178-200 AD “consolidated” them into the NT by rejecting all the extant gospels except the (current) four, speciously arguing that since there were four quarters of the Earth, four seasons, four winds etc., there can only be four gospels.” [One wonders: were there no intellectuals to argue with other counter-examples against such idiotic logic?] @4:12: RM: Digestion means you go in and bring in what you need. Response of Andino (@4:15): But you haven’t eaten something because it’s still alive. Me: Well, obviously! You can’t eat an elephant in one sitting! It took centuries for the Romans to digest Greece (RM should have countered this!) @6:05~6:21 RM: Digestion is...I don’t like the pagan in you, I’ll take this and reject that… Andino: I would say…we accept those truths which are true…and reject those that are not… Me: Truth according to who? (RM should have posed this question!) Because this is the core of digestion for the digester. For the digested being, everything about itself is truth! But the digester only takes what he wants and later calls it his own, which is why Andino is defending the digester who selectively chooses what’s true in the first place! @6:23 Andino: The approach of Christian theology is that philosophy is truth just as mathematical fact is is truth. Me: That’s as blatant a lie as there can be. Sanatana Dharma’s philosophy is not accepted as truth. What he means is that what the church accepts as philosophical truth is TRUTH. It is for this reason that it wants to impose its own version of truth on other religions and on people who have other faiths than Christianity. I’m surprised RM didn’t catch that and pin Andino back on this. My above point is corroborated at two places later: Exhibit 1: @13:34 Andino: "...And countless people embraced Catholicism." Me: No one embraced catholicism by choice, rather by digestion, or coercion, or both! Exhibit 2: @17:37, Andino (speaking about Mexico): "…. it’s a brother country to the US because it’s a catholic and Christian country." (Me: so only countries that are catholic or Christian are “brother countries” of the US?) All in all, this Andino is a WEASEL in the mold of Dinesh D’Souza. A better spoken and more polished weasel than D’Souza for sure. But a weasel nevertheless. RM went completely off track @15:40. Disappointing counterpunching by RM!
Nice debate. We need to see more of this kind of thing so more hindus understand how to debate like this. So many Hindus run when hit with hard questions or even simple questions. I welcome it.
@@arupsarkar3345 judges get called "your honor" ... the kid could speak with the same level of respect to the honorable Rajiv Malhotra.. u right that it is endemic... ironic the kid asked about are u asking about the aggression meanwhile he is being aggressive... ironic !
Defeated at 3:34 “Why do you want to focus on agression?” Rajiv: “Because there was a war...” “Oh yeah the Romans were are a martial people” flippy floppy and that unchristlike comment about Joan of Arc! and negating the genocide of Native Americans... yeah that’s real Christlike. Not! I contest Eduardo’s cognitive capabilities
Mr Malhotra has made a very valiant effort to convince Mr Andino about injustices of Christianity to the natives of America. Mr Andino has been brought up by the history taught by the western literature. The story of the hunt is told by the hunter and never the hunted. Mr Andino is brought up by stories told by the hunters. He can not grasp his underlying roots of pagan ancestors.I just hope Mr Malhotra can convince those against diversity.
The Creator God is sovereign.He is the only rightful owner of this universe.His Word has authority and power.In His wisdom He demolishes those individuals or societies who go against His Will and establish His kingdom.No one can defy Him or argue against Him and call that (defiant )attitude as righteous. Our self righteousness may earn good name only in this life.
It needs to be understood that all references to Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece, Western Civilization etc, are premised on a narrative that was coalesced and was promoted (often oppressively) by a political faction existing in Europe around the 16th and 17th century. When examined carefully, and open-mindedly, the narrative of Europe viz a viz Rome and the so-called Ancient world contains too many enigmas to be accepted as is. Additionally, the obviously high civilization described n the Sanskrit literature can not have been limited to Indi, even Greater India. It had to have spanned the globe. It seems more plausible that the worldwide higher civ. Where Enlightened rulers were empowered by Rishis and Yoga, endured a gradual decay during which the memory was lost and separation and faction occurred. (An interesting fact is that in one version of the SO-called Greek epic, Achilles was said to have been a eunuch for a year, establishing some direct relation to the Mahabharata) On this subject, much benefit can be gained by a familiarity with the Scholarly work of A. Fomenko. th-cam.com/video/wppJTWluNMA/w-d-xo.html
I urge all of you to study more about the Syrian Orthodox Church and there doctrines and beliefs(The most persecuted Church and community)..Please dont judge the Christians by the bad doings of the Catholic Church..
@@vve2059 Ture. But Ram is of India, Ram Rajya is Indian philosophy. Its far better than any foreign ideology. For example Greeks took foreign ideology of Rome, Xtianity & they got extinct. We definitely want that in our country.
Eduardo Andino: This message is to you directly: We, in the United States of America are NOT a Democracy. We are a Republic. Please know that our Founding Fathers rejected Democracy. I remind you of the famous line from Dr. Benjamin Franklin: " Doctor, what have you given us? " asked the woman as he came out of the convention. " A Republic, if you can keep it." then he goes on to say" For if you don't, you will have a Democracy, which is mob rule. At that time you will have to rebuild your Republic." Please be CERTAIN you are not publicizing a non-Truth which is disinformation or misinformation, not necessarily a lie. We are a Republic. We are defined as a Constitutional Republic. This system of governance does included an Electoral College. Democratic components are included in this Electoral College. We do not use the term called the Popular Vote simply because we are a Republic with the Rule of Law enforced by the 3 branches of government. Please correct your statement.
Andino is power centric, not truth centric. He shifts goal posts to suit his arguments. The scary part is his eloquence & confidence. Hindus really need to work hard to learn to debate like Rajivji says.
India was very rich and mighty in those days ? Why did the Aryas of that time give mercy to the Romans ? They totally perverted the teachings of Christ Jesus, Christ Jesus was more rooted in the culture of the Aryas. He taught reincarnation. He was more a son of India. Elam is called the oldest son of Shem ? How can that be ? Elam is a race of the Indian subcontinent, Tamil Elam.. Both of you have brilliant minds
Shri Eduardo contested many questions raised by Shri Rajivji. But the reality can be seen in the world, how systematically Christianity and Church wiped out all the ancient civilizations and their native cultures. If Shri Eduardo's arguments are correct, how he explains under ground churches in China (law of the land prohibited), preacher went to the sentinel island in Andaman. Here also law of the land prohibited to entities of anyone. Isn't it similar that drugs Mafia and drug peddlers way of operating?
Humbug jargon of the Church swindlers is something which is a tough nut to crack. With times comes different phrases to church apologists earlier it was 'sword' if you question them & now it is 'I contest that'.
Christianity destroyed every countries original culture,. Each and every countries had beautiful civilised cultures which was destroyed by an isreal culture. How wonderful the Ancient culture of grece ancient culture of Rome ancient culture of South America which was destroyed in the name of Christianity, I don't know why they avoid their own culture and follow the isreal path.
It's next to impossible to make these believers own up to wrongdoing by their side. The wars, atrocities, superstition, witch hunts etc. are all justifiable because it was for the "greater good" of the converted people. How patronising.
This guy is a supporter of the Catholic church. He pretty much denies all the atrocities and genocide of the church. Rajiv surprisingly, in my humble opinion, was underprepared for this discussion. He didn’t counter this fellow with solid clear data! This guy’s defence of the Catholic Church should have been called out. Bit disappointed ☹️ I
After a long time had a great discussion Rajiv ji please share the ideas so that we can educat our self like you made you points and even after he tried to pull and push you, you hold to you end of the bargain and gave has you got, I like to learn this from you please advice me how to start with what to read 🙏
Jeanne was burnt at stake because she said she had direct connection with God, offending militant christian monks who are God's so-called representative on Earth. Achebe has as many other authors, rightly depicted christian converters. BTW, British are losing their language in the hands of Americans, they're striving hard to retain englicism of English. 🕉🇮🇳
To Rajiv Malhotra: The role of Missionary schools in the spread of Christianity as a means for Imperialism cannot be overlooked. Your concentration is on the hard diplomacy or war/aggression, if you will. Soft diplomacy or the cultural invasion through the use of words, education system infiltration, theatre, media, art are important for they are structured and planned as part of war strategy. Please read my paper on Missionary schools and their use in Imperialism: www.academia.edu/42729391/Missionary_Schools_of_the_era_of_British_Imperialism
Very interesting conversation! I think trying to make Christians feel bad about the violence is like making companies feel bad about misguided advertisements.. Wont work, since both know its part of their DNA and essential for achieving their goals! Hindus should not look at Christianity and Islam from the perspective of "Dharma". These are more like corporations with a well defined agenda.
Please suggest books on conquest of Christians in Europe (which they call Dark Ages) I know of The Darkening Age by Catherine Nixey other then this do you have any other suggested books to read to understand. I see Eduardo is clearly wrongly saying Christianism spreaded peacefully :P
Perhaps, Rajivji couldhave mentioned the evangelist mentality of Catholism today, such as the 10:40 Vision that still justifies and propogates church exapansionism. The present attitude amy the the result and sucess of the past actions and digestion, planned today. It also qauestion if the south Americans were forcibily converted or volutariy accpted catholism as it is made out be.
Embraced Christianity? That’s BS. Christianity went everywhere with full force of aggression. People were not ready for that onslaught and had to convert under duress. So also Islam. If Christianity was so good, I would personally embrace it myself (I would have no social/emotional barriers) but I won’t ‘cuz it’s BS.
the most basic right is for a person and even groups to have their own identity.......an imposed universal dogmatic system denies that right.....borders are needed to allow the work of identity to proceed within, free of predators and parasites.
What culture rajiv is talking about??culture is always progressive..west is responsible for individualism, free speech , free thought, rationality, scientific method,political liberty,social mobility and capitalism..thse are the mainsprings of human progression..without this no industrial revolution and still people still would be slaves or peons grubbing out a substience living...india is still struggling on caste system, poverty, corruption, women safety,illiteracy, Education system, healthcare care system, basic sanitation thanks to british n raj ram mohanroy for removing sati, otherwise indian gender ratio would be beyond pathetic...
The Church father Athanius set the Canon of the NT, Constantine only brought all various Christian groups together at the Council of Nicea 325, and set up the Nicean Creed, the Church broke into Catholic and Orthodox at the great Schism July 15/1054 into Catholic and Orthodox after protestant reformation of Luther. Calvin and Swinglei the Catholic factored into various Protestant denominations over the Years. Though I was born and lived in India until 36 (Now I'm 75) All I knew about Hinduism was they did not eat beef though most male Hindus I knew did. I knew they drank Cow Urine I actually saw, also they believed in reincarnation and worshiped idols , which was Devil worship I was told. My people were converted in the first century from Jewish Spice traders, I went a Seminary (in Inaia) and also studied religion at Harding University, and have BS from Arkansas Tech Both in Arkansas
Before all these religions, there was only an " Ancient way of life" through out the world which had great and correct ideas and at the same time had provisions for the climatic and other conditions of wherever people lived. Also the highest truths were not made available unless one is properly mature enough to receive such teachings. All others were given the most suitable practices and methods that would suit individual and social needs. The way of life itself would assure people to progress towards truth. The social aspects of life, safety of animals and trees, environment, sustaining the culture, minimum use of earthly resources were all built in to the culture. There efforts of the rulers to institutionalise religion and decimate whatever differed their perceptions (which were only partial) lead to great destruction and violence.
philosophy-The study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline. it's not an objective fact like Mathematics.
Please don’t confuse Jesus (the assumed historical figure) with Christ (a state of Consciousness taken from the Greek Kristo which was further taken from Krishna of India).
This kid is in denial about the violence involved in Christianity! He needs to grow up and acknowledge and accept the fact!
he will not. he is completely brainwashed
८ ८ , I have watched his video regarding wealth deposit for next life , it was quite entertaining
@८ ८ not violence but exploitation in a very small area in the Pan-Indian subcontinent.
Violence simply based on weird differences and ideas of God or Colour or race is a thing of Middle Eastern and Western people.
Indian Cultures/Dharmic Cultures never had such problems ever.
Where is violence in Jesus? People do violence in the Name to cover their human lusts...but Jesus is Lord God Almighty and all Love. Unlike the false religions that bolster the immoral caste and related systems
@@ssi44 if you cannot hear much logic in his responses, you are the brainwashee
This is silly, Mr. Andino! I know Argentinian culture closely. The Europeans wiped out just about every native American there in the name of Christ.
No they did not
Are you a time traveler?
Source?
@@revpgesqredux Do you want to travel with me? I can take you to places and open your mind!
@@revpgesqredux Are u an asshole???😂😂 Go and read History BLINDFOLDED maniacs like u often get Evasive
He didn't accept the brutalities of Christianity rather he was focus on praising the religion of love.
True, That's the irony.
He is a Catholic. His idea of nationalism is largely aimed at protecting the Christian Western culture against what they did to the natives before.
He’s speaking whatever he had been taught at theology school
The WEST PROSPERED ONLY BECAUSE OF CHRISTIANITY AND ITS INFLUENCE ON THE SOCIETY
@@sarajobs9606 you only know what you are taught and what you ought to learn
LOOK AT CHRIST JESUS
HE IS THE GREATEST
PEOPLE USE RELIGION TO FUEL POLITICS ALSO
DONT FORGET THAT
ALSO CHRISTIANITY IS THE BEST
YOU CAN COMPARE AND SEE WITH ALL THE OTHER RELIGIONS IN THE WORLD
EG ISLAM, HINDUISM, BUDDHISM ETC..
Francis who killed thousands of people in Goa conferred sainthood ,the peace loving faith
True, Such an irony.
There is a book titled"SANTOS OU ARRAUCEIROS" in Portuguese by EVAGRIO JORGE translated into ENGLISH by THOMAS DIAS titled"SAINTS OR THUGS"". Regarding INQUISITION OF GOA.
Seriously man
What non-sense are you telling!!
Don't fabricate lies in the name of religion and spread such foolish accusations
It is because of this the inter religious harmony of our society is destroyed
Welcome to the Christophobic dunderheaded Thunderdome
He is facing every question with "maybe".... Everything that Christianity did is well documented
He is not willing to accept much of what the Vatican has admitted. In 1494, the Pope divided the world into two and allocated one half each to Spain and Portugal, knowing the brutality of both fully well. The rest, as they say, is history. But this man even defends all of that.
It’s good that it’s well documented unlike others who will destroy the evidences
A more silly example of argument by assumption will be hard to find. " uh-uh, is too" SMH
Well documented, yes, roman's administration had the habit of writing everythings.
This discussion is fascinating on so many levels.
Tum jiyo hazaro saal Maharishi Rajivji
christianity overtook Eurppe like every other religion ... by force-- we Europeans were pagans
before christianity and we had different indo-germanic religions, like slavic celtic germanic roman and greek religions (all pretty same... like in all indo-germanic religions... you have a male fatherfigure like zeus wotan etc. .. a motherlike goddess.. and their kids and some smaller gods) .... but konstantin the late roman emporer has choosen christianity cause his opponents believed in the old gods ... he won the battle against his oppontents and all of us had to convert (it was not only peaceful...in alexandria ..which was a roman-greek city in egypt at that time ...many pagans were massacred by our "peaceful" christians forefahters) ... your Lords and Kings choose your religion and it is passed in the family from the father to the son ..thats how it works generally all over the world ...thats why you believe what you believe ...there are rare examples of ppl choosing their own religion regardless of the religions of their fathers
...happens very very rare... in most cases our religions are our cultural heritages
best regards ...love and respect
truth told without fear. food for thought.
Where did you get this "germanic" religions!? None of these were germanic, and they were not religions like what we have today.
Also paganism never existed. Word pagan means "the people". So these religions were peoples religions or tribal religions.
If we talk about Europe, the largest megalith is the Balkan area (ex Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Albania, Greece, Italy), not Germany or the North.
Common sense
If Christianity is not responsible for the violence in Americas, Africa, Austria and where ever Christianity went then he should explain why this happens only with Abrahamic religions and not with the rest.
You should talk to the Buddhist
It's a ruthless desert mindset , whether Islam or Christianity. Europe is again the land of crusades next 15 years
Do you have any proof that it does not happen in any other religions?
Oppression IS violence. Caste IS violence. individual freedom to choose is Peace.
@@melvinsaji2805 so u are accepting that violence has happened 😂 .And in india colonization is happening not physically but mentally.It is a sad part😩
He is the Christian Javed Akhtar, but I find him more clever than Javed Akhtar
Javed Akhtar is more like a Taqqiya Artist.
I think it’s time
@@mxxmauuhan3597 I recently saw a debate of Javed with Tarek Fatah and he was talking like this person when he was asked questions on Mughal kings. Same as this person did.
He’s cunning that’s all
😂😂😂
When they compare Hindus to Pagans just because of the common theme of Polytheism and nature worship, I can't help but laugh at their ignorance. European Paganism is totally different from Hinduism. They used to sacrifice not just animals but also Humans.Their rituals included blood while we consider blood as impure. Hindus wouldn't have touched them with a 10 ft pole. It was totally "Rakshas" like polytheism. Hence they were all called as Mlecchas.
Tbh, Pagan Europe would be scarier than Christian Europe. Modern Christianity may have actually stopped all scary rituals. But Europeans burned witches due to their paranoia and committed unthinkable crimes during medieval era.
Abrahamic religions comes with Paranoia. Britishers came up with the Sati concept to distract the world from their witch hunts. Even though we can prove that forced Sati was a lie.
They made disparaging documentaries on Hindus. Made us look like some stone age pagans, urging missionaries to convert India.
We need to organize Hinduism like they did in Bali. Only then we can stop the missionaries.
Well this is not a new theme. The Germans even culturally appropriated Indian scriptures for the new wave of the Nordic race BS. The English used Indian traditional knowledge and resources to further their bland nation's prosperity while condescending upon Indians, even trying to assimilate us into second grade Englishmen.
The dutch renaissance happened single handedly because the dutch east India company was able to do business with India. But once they had gripped our earth, they too went back to the European urge for conversion.
I would not even want to start with the Portuguese and Spanish.
They try to derive identity from better civilisations eversowhile demeaning the originals.
Please explain the ways to stop Expansionism of these abrahmic faith! Poor or undereducated people go for Abrahamic faith as it doesn't have deep and complex philosophies, how would Hinduism counter them with its deep philosophical and spirituality inclination. Poor people know "hell or heaven" and these Abrahmic faiths lie to thier face that they'll surely get them to heaven. Please tell how one can stop encroachment of simplistic shallow abrahmic faiths?
@P G that father doesn't represent hinduism fool.....and yea next time u put such serious allegations give some authentic sources( and by authentic I don't mean scroll, wire, print, bbc, ndtv etc....) Human sacrifice was prevalent in Vedic times but the people performing those rituals were termed as rakshasas .....
Hi totan, I would recommend u to read this article: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.hinduhumanrights.info/europes-true-identity-christian-or-really-pagan/&ved=2ahUKEwjfqaP4j4zsAhW7zDgGHVWLAV0QFjAOegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw1zzd1l1vE4UktlAeooprV3
The European polytheism and sanatan dharma are very closely connected as the former is product of latter. And ye mleccha was used to describe muslims . Europeans were termed yavan. In mahabharat too there is mention of yavans taking part in the war. And recently, large lingams have been unearthed in Turkey and Greece.
@P G Salem witch trials are hoax fool 😂😂😂
This is classic Thesis, Anti-Thesis, Synthesis strategy. The Christians say that what the Kingdoms were do was wrong, but yet benefit entirely from it.
its aggressive in the most dangerous/destructive way
From a careful listening to the debate, it appears to me that Andino is trying hard to remove the harshness of the Christian assimilation of various cultures around the world. He is saying this must be seen in the context of people coming together for a 'positive project.' Positive for whom? And positive for what? Creating more and more powerful Christian church as a replacement for all the world's regional thinking? This is not only terrible, but to be avoided to keep the world's multiculturalism alive. Andino somehow wants to try to keep the point that Christianity has taken over things after they were dead (in the context of frescos in early christian graves). This is obviously not true. They kill the entire indigenous thought process by eating away at it from all sides, declare it dead and eat it up (a.k.a - Sanskrit is a dead language). It is these kind of apologists of Christian faith that Esther Dhanraj is warning us against. Watch out for such people.
Obviously
He is a Catholic. His idea of nationalism seems to be largely aimed at protecting the Christian Western culture against what they did to the natives before.
Hindutva (whose culture _is_ one of the "natives") cannot align with such forces, I'm afraid.
Anyways, good discussion.
True That.
the guy is not accepting wrong doings of christinity and twisting with words.
@८ ८ But we're not selling it as the "best religion ever, get baptised asap" either.
I like the fact that Rajiv is debating with this guy peacefully and graciously even though he mostly disagrees to him. This is how debating should be
as a Dutch pagan i must say that i get very tired of types as Eduardo
What? That is so confusing on so many levels.
How is your form. Of worship. Can you please enlighten
" The Roman Catholic Church became the dominant institution in Europe during the Dark Ages"
Encyclopedia Britannica.
@N M in Holland about 27% is Christian (you can do perfectly without). The last decades we have a huge influx of muslims (some 6% now), and this is a very worrying trend (parallel society). Problem now is that modern secularist have the tendency to socialism.
Most folks have esoteric preference (Mother Earth), with here and there some elements of Buddhism or Hinduism.
@@bodonagtegaal1214 Whole world must revive their pre christian philosophies. Abrahamic Supremist mono theistic culture like islam Christianity & communism r path to Humanity's destruction. World must move past these ideologies.
25:25 I think this sums up Eduardo's position - Multi-culturalism in the West is great, so long as they all embrace Christianity (preferably Catholicism). These newly "assimilated" people could then also be instrumental in spreading the 'Good News' (as they often call it) back into their native countries (he didn't make this statement directly, but it's obvious from his allusion to native cultures embracing Catholicism, as a positive change in them).
Rajiv on the other hand, is more of a nativist. He would like the native cultures of the world to have their own cultural (including religious) sovereignty.
I find their conflict of interest near-irreconcilable. The discussion was good, but their long-term goals aren't in alignment.
Which yet again proves what I've been saying - Western conservatism (which is inherently expansionist - after all, conservatism is about preserving one's societal values, & expansionism is a core Western value) cannot align with Hindutva (which is inherently nativist).
Hindus are in the same basket as the Greeks, Chinese, Egyptians, etc... not the Northern European West.
Its very important to notice what ever the fact rajiv ji saying the guy is accepting it but replacing rajiv jis hard word with his soft flowery words. And look at our indian intellectuals whatever the shit west says about us they just do copy paste of those violent words cant have any new words to replace them.
In fact, the "Indian intellectuals" are often force-multipliers of negativity.
(Trying extra-hard to impress their Western supervisors).
@@jojobabok9373 Well said.
Replies/Comments need to match the level of discussion.
the christian conversions in india will speak louder negatively about them
see and understnd.
ARUN SHOURIE written 2 books
1) MISSIONARIES in INDIA ASA --1994
2) HARVESTING OUR SOULS.
These two books gives insight into
GLOBAL CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES ACTIVITIES & critical study of"BIBLE"
बहुत ऊंचे दर्जे का अद्भुत चर्चा मुझे आनंद मिला । राजीव जी केलिए कोटी नमन।
Whatever maybe the outcome of a discussion is one thing, but I do appreciate the fact that even today there are people with decency who are willing to come on the table and have sensible debates unlike the communists in India and other places around who hide behind and pull the strings and when called out they mock and label people and when confronted will try to shout you down or even become violent. In a debate we may or may not agree with another and each side of course thinks that they are right but at least there can still be some common ground where both parties can agree upon.
Eduardo is making every case exception as norm. He does not accept what were western institutions' view but quoting here and there some people to say institutes meant nothing. Very apologist kind of attitude.
He is trying to sugar coat christianity and in complete denial. This is how they cleverly convert
others who don't believe in their ideology..
Let's applaud 👏Rajiv Malhotra for discussing with someone who doesn't agree with 💯
What happened old Prussian "just example" example {pagans eliminate by crusader}
Old Prussians resisted long against crusade's
- actually Lithuania zealously remained Pagan - till about 500 years ago -
- they were never conquered by a christian power
- Christianity crept in there only after the kingdoms of Poland and Lithuania joined forces against sweedish forces -
- the royalties inter-married and thats how christianity crept into lithuania
- lithuania still hold some of their pagan practises dear to them -
Only thing I can make here is that the way Christianity was framed you look at the structure, Mega churches and all stuff its a way lot more clear that they are not planning a spiritual world there, On the eastern dharmic religion you will never find a pope or mega temples, big conversion plans, holy orders, and all such stuff. In Europe look at the northern crusades its a well documented case for church attack on pagans.. Maybe religion started with good thoughts (Not spiritual) but for sure it lead to much bloodshed comparing the population size at that time of east (we always ranked first) and west. In addition to that the war ethics of India and west can also show many moral differences (all well documented)
mr rajiv malhotra has to be appreciated for his perfect understanding what went in the past more clearly than other person.
god bless you rajivji
Eduardo said
Christian Missionaries are Monks 😂😂
South America's original inhabitants embraced Christianity 😂😂
Eduardo is young guy with knowledge given to him , yet to attain maturity..!
He has just one aim in discussion- Defend every thing-Diplomatically...!
it is very interesting to see a christian representative contesting all about violence, plagiarism, slavery and all other sinful activities (in name of God). Remembering Indian History, Britishers in name of Christianity did all these sinful things, he will never contest on that.
For them, the ends justify the means. Things they would consider sinful inter se are justified, excused and even honoured when done in pursuit of religious expansion. Sins will be absolved by Jesus, there is no karma and punarjanma..The Church is the agency through which one gets redemption from God...
Thrinethran T.V Christ not an “agency” :) god is loving and merciful and he can forgive even the worst of sinners IF they truly repent. It’s not like you buy repentance you have work towards it
Do you know who destroyed the bodhi tree ..the ashokan stupas? Do you know who called the relations of jains and Hindus to that of snake and mongoose ?
First of all they came in The name of trade
Secondly AS CHRISTIANS ALL ARE CALLED TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST THE SAVIOUR
DON'T FORGET THAT ALL THE URBANIZATION, RAILWAY , PARLIAMENTARY BUILDING AND
MOST IMPORTANT
THE EDUCATION
WERE BROUGHT BY THE BRITISHERS
AGREED THAT THEY DID HARM
BUT THEY ALSO HELP INDIA TO GROW AND DEVELOP AND BECOME A GREAT NATION
@@melvinsaji2805 yes but transport and other services where most for themshelf indian where treated as second class.
Kudos to you for allowing such free exchange and open unscripted discussion
Great conversation, it was like an elder in the family explaining the historical facts to a young boy..
Wherein young boy keeps on saying, "You are correct BUT that's not how it was presented in my school books.."
Quoting missionaries to prove history during crusades is like relying on Quran/Bible to know how this world was created.
His denial of well documented Christian atrocities in America & across Globe is ridiculous.
Sala Full Nautanki Baaz.
Hats off to Rajiv Ji to put up with this dishonest arrogant fellow & not loose cool at his blatant denial of pure facts.
Yeh banda aaj ghar se yehi soch ke aaya hai ke iss ko saab kuch negate karna hai.
*When the missionary came, we had the land and they had the Bible. They taught us to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened our eyes, they had the land and we had the Bible* - *Jomo Kenyatta*
Wonder what is the difference between a Mistake and Sin ?
If one commits a mistake and refuses to own it it will become a sin !
I would recommend u to read the darkening ages by Catherine Nixey....best book on this subject....it especially talks about the greaco-roman civilizations..
Just remember that the nursery rhyme Humpty Dumpty refers to fall of Church by western contact with Hinduism / Buddhism. 🤔😊
Poor Mr Andino. He should have just remained silent and listened to the other speaker who puts it so well.
Rajiv Malhotra should have mentioned how Denmark became Christian. The King of Denmark became Christian but the priests would not follow him and the king invited all the priests for a conference and put them inside a building and while the discussion was going on he left and burnt all the local religious heads alive. He then forced the public to follow Christianity. This is what the Danish people told me when I was living in Denmark. Christianity was brutal across the world and destroyed all religions by force without even understanding their cultures. What they did in America is unpardonable where all the native Indian religions were destroyed. What Vasco da Gama did in India is also a case in point.
I loved the video, but would like to add something more. The worst genocide in history wan't of native Americans, but of Indian Hindus by Arab & Turk muslims, who killed upto 80-100 million Hindus.
RM @1:51 “…Constantine, consolidated it into the New Testament…”
Andino: @1:52: “I would contest that.”
Me: What RM should have said is that Constantine consolidated the exclusivity of Christ and made it into law by threatening to persecute anyone who didn’t accept it. There were many Gospels of Christ, but Irenius, a French Christian between 178-200 AD “consolidated” them into the NT by rejecting all the extant gospels except the (current) four, speciously arguing that since there were four quarters of the Earth, four seasons, four winds etc., there can only be four gospels.” [One wonders: were there no intellectuals to argue with other counter-examples against such idiotic logic?]
@4:12: RM: Digestion means you go in and bring in what you need.
Response of Andino (@4:15): But you haven’t eaten something because it’s still alive.
Me: Well, obviously! You can’t eat an elephant in one sitting! It took centuries for the Romans to digest Greece (RM should have countered this!)
@6:05~6:21
RM: Digestion is...I don’t like the pagan in you, I’ll take this and reject that…
Andino: I would say…we accept those truths which are true…and reject those that are not…
Me: Truth according to who? (RM should have posed this question!) Because this is the core of digestion for the digester. For the digested being, everything about itself is truth! But the digester only takes what he wants and later calls it his own, which is why Andino is defending the digester who selectively chooses what’s true in the first place!
@6:23 Andino: The approach of Christian theology is that philosophy is truth just as mathematical fact is is truth.
Me: That’s as blatant a lie as there can be. Sanatana Dharma’s philosophy is not accepted as truth. What he means is that what the church accepts as philosophical truth is TRUTH. It is for this reason that it wants to impose its own version of truth on other religions and on people who have other faiths than Christianity. I’m surprised RM didn’t catch that and pin Andino back on this.
My above point is corroborated at two places later:
Exhibit 1: @13:34 Andino: "...And countless people embraced Catholicism."
Me: No one embraced catholicism by choice, rather by digestion, or coercion, or both!
Exhibit 2: @17:37, Andino (speaking about Mexico): "…. it’s a brother country to the US because it’s a catholic and Christian country." (Me: so only countries that are catholic or Christian are “brother countries” of the US?)
All in all, this Andino is a WEASEL in the mold of Dinesh D’Souza. A better spoken and more polished weasel than D’Souza for sure. But a weasel nevertheless.
RM went completely off track @15:40.
Disappointing counterpunching by RM!
Eduardo seems to be saying - Everything is good as long as it ends up in favour of Christian / Abrahamic side.
Nice debate. We need to see more of this kind of thing so more hindus understand how to debate like this. So many Hindus run when hit with hard questions or even simple questions. I welcome it.
why the kid is so arrogant..pay respect to rajiv malhotra..he is a great intellectual
Respect has different ways in the west
What can you expect from someone who thinks that he is a Catholic?
@@arupsarkar3345 yes... Debate is always encouraged there.. doesn't matter if parents or teachers
You never know the true aim unless and until it is exposed could be hypocrite
@@arupsarkar3345 judges get called "your honor" ... the kid could speak with the same level of respect to the honorable Rajiv Malhotra.. u right that it is endemic... ironic the kid asked about are u asking about the aggression meanwhile he is being aggressive... ironic !
Defeated at 3:34
“Why do you want to focus on agression?”
Rajiv: “Because there was a war...”
“Oh yeah the Romans were are a martial people”
flippy floppy
and that unchristlike comment about Joan of Arc!
and negating the genocide of Native Americans...
yeah that’s real Christlike. Not!
I contest Eduardo’s cognitive capabilities
eduardo is very intelligent guy...good debater ....
Edwardo Audino is just too apologitic of Latin American colonization by Spanish..just because Christianity is involved..lol wtf!?
What the f he is talking about SA they are second class citizens and they dont even know that christ and christianity is foriegn.
Mr Malhotra has made a very valiant effort to convince Mr Andino about injustices of Christianity to the natives of America. Mr Andino has been brought up by the history taught by the western literature. The story of the hunt is told by the hunter and never the hunted. Mr Andino is brought up by stories told by the hunters. He can not grasp his underlying roots of pagan ancestors.I just hope Mr Malhotra can convince those against diversity.
The Creator God is sovereign.He is the only rightful owner of this universe.His Word has authority and power.In His wisdom He demolishes those individuals or societies who go against His Will and establish His kingdom.No one can defy Him or argue against Him and call that (defiant )attitude as righteous. Our self righteousness may earn good name only in this life.
A healthy conversation..👍👍
Rajiv ji outsmarts Eduardo at every point with actual facts. Eduardo seems very apologetic and sometimes arrogant also.
It needs to be understood that all references to Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece, Western Civilization etc, are premised on a narrative that was coalesced and was promoted (often oppressively) by a political faction existing in Europe around the 16th and 17th century.
When examined carefully, and open-mindedly, the narrative of Europe viz a viz Rome and the so-called Ancient world contains too many enigmas to be accepted as is.
Additionally, the obviously high civilization described n the Sanskrit literature can not have been limited to Indi, even Greater India. It had to have spanned the globe.
It seems more plausible that the worldwide higher civ. Where Enlightened rulers were empowered by Rishis and Yoga, endured a gradual decay during which the memory was lost and separation and faction occurred.
(An interesting fact is that in one version of the SO-called Greek epic, Achilles was said to have been a eunuch for a year, establishing some direct relation to the Mahabharata)
On this subject, much benefit can be gained by a familiarity with the Scholarly work of A. Fomenko. th-cam.com/video/wppJTWluNMA/w-d-xo.html
A very educative conversation...
Pranaam Guru Acharya Shree Rishi jee..Rajiv Malhotra jee 🔥🕉️🙏🏻✌🏼😌 Hardik Vandan Hae Aapko Barambaar...🔥🎉🙏🏻👁️👁️🚩🕉️💐🙏🏻
I urge all of you to study more about the Syrian Orthodox Church and there doctrines and
beliefs(The most persecuted Church and community)..Please dont judge the Christians
by the bad doings of the Catholic Church..
I agree catholic churches are the evil, wolf in the sheep clothes...
Utopia is a myth . Utopia will never exist.There will always be bad guys
Same as ram rajya
@@vve2059 Ture. But Ram is of India, Ram Rajya is Indian philosophy. Its far better than any foreign ideology.
For example Greeks took foreign ideology of Rome, Xtianity & they got extinct. We definitely want that in our country.
*Eduardo defending jesus as son of God is most unconvincing*
Very nice debate sir. Please ask him will they soon have a black Pope as the white Christians are in minority, I guess?
Sir great discussion , I ever heard in my life
Rajiv Sir must be conferred "Padm Vidhusan" by GoI
Great talk to watch and listen.
Not enough credit is being given to Eduardo in the comments. He is holding his own against someone who's 40 years his senior. Great discussion!
Rajiv ji knows much about everything. I respect that.😎✊
Rajiv Ji wonderful.
We have some people who are telling tales of christ being Krishna in channel called vedic Tales
Rajivji is one helluva patient man!
Not letting him speak.. Interrupting every next sentence.. Worst debate or interview
Eduardo Andino: This message is to you directly: We, in the United States of America are NOT a Democracy. We are a Republic. Please know that our Founding Fathers rejected Democracy. I remind you of the famous line from Dr. Benjamin Franklin: " Doctor, what have you given us? " asked the woman as he came out of the convention. " A Republic, if you can keep it." then he goes on to say" For if you don't, you will have a Democracy, which is mob rule. At that time you will have to rebuild your Republic."
Please be CERTAIN you are not publicizing a non-Truth which is disinformation or misinformation, not necessarily a lie. We are a Republic. We are defined as a Constitutional Republic. This system of governance does included an Electoral College. Democratic components are included in this Electoral College. We do not use the term called the Popular Vote simply because we are a Republic with the Rule of Law enforced by the 3 branches of government.
Please correct your statement.
Andino is power centric, not truth centric. He shifts goal posts to suit his arguments. The scary part is his eloquence & confidence. Hindus really need to work hard to learn to debate like Rajivji says.
Hi Rajiv sir i love all your videos but the video that i liked so much was the video of history one awesome job done by you
Nice arguments.
India was very rich and mighty in those days ? Why did the Aryas of that time give mercy to the Romans ? They totally perverted the teachings of Christ Jesus, Christ Jesus was more rooted in the culture of the Aryas. He taught reincarnation. He was more a son of India. Elam is called the oldest son of Shem ? How can that be ? Elam is a race of the Indian subcontinent, Tamil Elam.. Both of you have brilliant minds
Shri Eduardo contested many questions raised by Shri Rajivji. But the reality can be seen in the world, how systematically Christianity and Church wiped out all the ancient civilizations and their native cultures. If Shri Eduardo's arguments are correct, how he explains under ground churches in China (law of the land prohibited), preacher went to the sentinel island in Andaman. Here also law of the land prohibited to entities of anyone. Isn't it similar that drugs Mafia and drug peddlers way of operating?
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Humbug jargon of the Church swindlers is something which is a tough nut to crack. With times comes different phrases to church apologists earlier it was 'sword' if you question them & now it is 'I contest that'.
Rajivji, you have roasted this green horn! Christianity has it roots in gory violence and it's no different than Islam.
Christianity destroyed every countries original culture,. Each and every countries had beautiful civilised cultures which was destroyed by an isreal culture. How wonderful the Ancient culture of grece ancient culture of Rome ancient culture of South America which was destroyed in the name of Christianity, I don't know why they avoid their own culture and follow the isreal path.
It's next to impossible to make these believers own up to wrongdoing by their side. The wars, atrocities, superstition, witch hunts etc. are all justifiable because it was for the "greater good" of the converted people. How patronising.
This guy is a supporter of the Catholic church. He pretty much denies all the atrocities and genocide of the church. Rajiv surprisingly, in my humble opinion, was underprepared for this discussion. He didn’t counter this fellow with solid clear data! This guy’s defence of the Catholic Church should have been called out. Bit disappointed ☹️ I
Very informative program 🔥
The guy seemed struggling even after he tried regaining confidence by speaking over Rajiv Ji but his efforts were in Vain .
After a long time had a great discussion Rajiv ji please share the ideas so that we can educat our self like you made you points and even after he tried to pull and push you, you hold to you end of the bargain and gave has you got, I like to learn this from you please advice me how to start with what to read 🙏
Jeanne was burnt at stake because she said she had direct connection with God, offending militant christian monks who are God's so-called representative on Earth.
Achebe has as many other authors, rightly depicted christian converters.
BTW, British are losing their language in the hands of Americans, they're striving hard to retain englicism of English.
🕉🇮🇳
Good discussion.. need more.. Latin America is devastated by the conquistador..
To Rajiv Malhotra: The role of Missionary schools in the spread of Christianity as a means for Imperialism cannot be overlooked. Your concentration is on the hard diplomacy or war/aggression, if you will. Soft diplomacy or the cultural invasion through the use of words, education system infiltration, theatre, media, art are important for they are structured and planned as part of war strategy.
Please read my paper on Missionary schools and their use in Imperialism: www.academia.edu/42729391/Missionary_Schools_of_the_era_of_British_Imperialism
Very interesting conversation! I think trying to make Christians feel bad about the violence is like making companies feel bad about misguided advertisements.. Wont work, since both know its part of their DNA and essential for achieving their goals! Hindus should not look at Christianity and Islam from the perspective of "Dharma". These are more like corporations with a well defined agenda.
Exactly. Even when he talks about Christianity ' s imbibation of philosophy and pursuit of truth, it is just expedient fabrication.
Please suggest books on conquest of Christians in Europe (which they call Dark Ages) I know of The Darkening Age by Catherine Nixey other then this do you have any other suggested books to read to understand. I see Eduardo is clearly wrongly saying Christianism spreaded peacefully :P
Perhaps, Rajivji couldhave mentioned the evangelist mentality of Catholism today, such as the 10:40 Vision that still justifies and propogates church exapansionism. The present attitude amy the the result and sucess of the past actions and digestion, planned today. It also qauestion if the south Americans were forcibily converted or volutariy accpted catholism as it is made out be.
Embraced Christianity? That’s BS. Christianity went everywhere with full force of aggression. People were not ready for that onslaught and had to convert under duress. So also Islam. If Christianity was so good, I would personally embrace it myself (I would have no social/emotional barriers) but I won’t ‘cuz it’s BS.
the most basic right is for a person and even groups to have their own identity.......an imposed universal dogmatic system denies that right.....borders are needed to allow the work of identity to proceed within, free of predators and parasites.
Chr.istianity is nothing but a powerful PR team trying to sell their books all over the world (and on the Mars too) through hook or crook.
Interesting discission
What culture rajiv is talking about??culture is always progressive..west is responsible for individualism, free speech , free thought, rationality, scientific method,political liberty,social mobility and capitalism..thse are the mainsprings of human progression..without this no industrial revolution and still people still would be slaves or peons grubbing out a substience living...india is still struggling on caste system, poverty, corruption, women safety,illiteracy, Education system, healthcare care system, basic sanitation thanks to british n raj ram mohanroy for removing sati, otherwise indian gender ratio would be beyond pathetic...
Definitely a missionary guy , funded to argue
The Church father Athanius set the Canon of the NT, Constantine only brought all various Christian groups together at the Council of Nicea 325, and set up the Nicean Creed, the Church broke into Catholic and Orthodox at the great Schism July 15/1054 into Catholic and Orthodox after protestant reformation of Luther. Calvin and Swinglei the Catholic factored into various Protestant denominations over the Years. Though I was born and lived in India until 36 (Now I'm 75) All I knew about Hinduism was they did not eat beef though most male Hindus I knew did. I knew they drank Cow Urine I actually saw, also they believed in reincarnation and worshiped idols , which was Devil worship I was told. My people were converted in the first century from Jewish Spice traders, I went a Seminary (in Inaia) and also studied religion at Harding University, and have BS from Arkansas Tech Both in Arkansas
eduardo is holding his ground pretty well... good work
Before all these religions, there was only an " Ancient way of life" through out the world which had great and correct ideas and at the same time had provisions for the climatic and other conditions of wherever people lived. Also the highest truths were not made available unless one is properly mature enough to receive such teachings. All others were given the most suitable practices and methods that would suit individual and social needs. The way of life itself would assure people to progress towards truth. The social aspects of life, safety of animals and trees, environment, sustaining the culture, minimum use of earthly resources were all built in to the culture. There efforts of the rulers to institutionalise religion and decimate whatever differed their perceptions (which were only partial) lead to great destruction and violence.
philosophy-The study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline. it's not an objective fact like Mathematics.
Please don’t confuse Jesus (the assumed historical figure) with Christ (a state of Consciousness taken from the Greek Kristo which was further taken from Krishna of India).