TIP: Don't push on the screen hard when you calibrate, it's not force... the stylus needs to be on the X for 1 or 2 full seconds... (this is why you perceive it takes lots of pressure, it's not instant like today's tech.)
Just a note, in case you don't know: These little Win CE PPCs can actually take PCMIA CF card readers, which would allow you to expand the storage, and move things to and from it. I use one in my Compaq handheld PC and it works perfect for that!
I've personally soldered quite a few batteries and have never had a problem. The most important thing is to use a quality soldering iron that will let you get in and out without sinking too much heat into the battery. Use Flux pretin both the batt and the wire and you shouldn't have to apply heat for more than a couple seconds at a time. I can touch the solder joint almost immediately after the solder solidifies which means very little heat got into the cell itself.
I remember being fascinated with these, when they were sold in stores, often sitting next to HP Jornada's. I went with HP's 720 and loved it so much, when the original wore off, I bought myself a second one. Sold both off to someone else later, when the 2nd screen was starting to dim too much. If only there was a replacement TFT screen. CF card made it very easy to transfer software, even without a link cable. Those things also ran on NiMh, for up to 8 hours (when an average laptop lasted only 2). Spec-wise, HP's were similar to Sharp, but had way more physical functionality.
Smartphones don't have physical keyboard (there were some back in 2010-2012) and typing really long commands on a touchscreen can be frustrating and time consuming.
@@harpergaming2731 Still a computer, a computer is something that calculates processes in binary. Couldnt expect anything from harper gaming to be honest : /
If it has a working PCMCIA slot, you may try to use those Compact Flash cards to store data and transfer them to the PC by a Compact Flash to PCMCIA adapters, that's how I install Office 95 on my Toshiba Libretto
I have bought the same model today for 1€ at a flea market, and it's batteries were rusty so I threw them out, took two rechargeable batteries and placed them in with aluminum foil, and I also replaced the cache battery and now it works just fine.
In the same section of the manual, it says it is a fuse that cuts off at 170oF. There is also internal heat sensor stuff that turns off charging. They put that in there as an extreme case for extra safety.
Old C-STN tech: nice sharpness for its time, decent colors, but *awful* viewing angles, and maybe half a second or more of ghosting! Pretty power hungry too, along with the glutton of a CCFL backlight Probably would look like spilling paint if you tried to watch a video, or play a game (not that you'd really be able to do either of those on here lol)
Ooh, these WinCE handheld PCs are fantastic fun to play around with. You can actually do a surprising amount of offline stuff with them, if you can be bothered to keep syncing things over... slowly. I did have Linux running on a HP Jornada 680 a while back, it was very, very slow - but it did actually work just fine. It kicks Windows CE completely out of RAM upon booting Linux from what I remember.
Almost a year to the day, I am writing this to suggest you should attempt to collab with someone into 3D printing to produce a detachable back piece which fastens the batteries into the unit rather than reuse the battery case. Seems viable, and with enough additive manufacturing you should be able to make something work.
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There was a touchscreen driver fix that made it more sensitive. Had same problem in HC-4600 ~13 years ago ;)
Well, I have two HP Jornada 720s and I've used them daily in the last 3 years to take notes on university, record 3 hours long lectures (in a suprisingly good quality) and to listen mp3-s. I must say that Windows CE 3.0 Handheld PC 2000 is the most stable OS that I've ever used. Within these 3 years, there was only 1 time, that one of them had crashed. Even handles the 8 GB CF card which is officially unsupported. I have 3 batteries for them, but one is enough for a normal day. The Pocket Office is way better than the Office for Android and also can handle the same keyboard shortcuts as the normal office.
A few years ago I had an HP Jornada 690 unit very similar to this. It could be synced via USB over a syncing cradle. IIRC it also took Compact Flash cards natively, and had a PCMCIA slot. Great little unit for its day, but not much use these days. There are a few working Wifi cards supported by it.
I bought an old Jornada 620 that was sold on New Egg ten years ago. They were used by Conductors on Dutch Rail. Back then it was hard to find a WIFI card with supported drivers, it will be really difficult now. Also, it will be impossible to find a card that supports both CE and and modern encryption. You'll only be able to use it on open WIFI , because it will only be able to use WEP. There are also no shortage of pcmica NIC adapters. I used a pcmcia flash memory adapter to move data on and off it. If you have the Sync cable you can use a USB-Serial adapter and Microsoft Mobile Sync to access the CE device too. The WIFI part really sucks, because I would have continued using, but WEP is obsolete. I also used the same WIFI adapter on my Libreto 50CT, and it was the same deal. I had Tiny Linux on it and those two were my main mobiles devices. I was forced to buy an EEEPC. I like tiny computers.
Back in the early 2000s I had several different Mobilon devices, because the only other mobile computing options at that time were bulky, expensive laptop computers. I started with the HC-4100 which had a black & white LCD screen and ran off of 2 AA batteries. I later bought a HC-4600 because it had a color screen. It was slightly heavier and bulkier than the HC-4100. Unfortunately, I had to do the same repair that is featured in this video. Eventually, I finally decided to sell the HC-4600 because it was a bit bulky and the short battery life. Simply put, I found the HC-4100 to be a better device for my mobile needs at that time.
I still have a portable DVD player where the battery died and the replacement I bought actually did not fit, though it looked the same. I opened both batteries and swapped the cells, along with the polarity. The original battery pack had 4 cell and two empty spaces. The new battery had 6 cells and slipped right in the old case. Prolonged the operational life by at least 50%.
I remember when I used to use Windows 98 voice recorder 8:37 that you can actually go to Options and change the file format to a higher bit rate, not sure about this version though,
@@priam5928 LOL, silly person thinks phones have keyboards and peripheral ports. And no, bluetooth keyboards that are so small that you tap four keys at the same time while just trying to press one doesn't count.
I have soldered batterys before for my RC Car Li-ion batterys what you have to do is take sand paper and ruff up the surfaces for the solder to wick to, you just have to make sure the cell doesn't get to hot to go into meltdown mode.
Soldering to batteries is definitely safer than spot welding since there is much less heat involved (if you do it quickly). Mr Carlson's lab made a video about a really good method for soldering to batteries. Yes I did notice you soldered the batteries anyway.
Guy Crew Ya, he made a custom soldering iron for the job essentially. I've soldered to batteries with a regular iron and it is a hassle! Just trying to get the solder to melt and stay on the contact is difficult...even after sanding. The iron just doesn't heat it up fast enough like Mr. Carlson's cool little contraption.
I have an HP windows CE device (320 LX), that has a daughterboard that looks a lot like that little board you thought might be RAM or storage. On the HP device, it's the ROM, and you could take it out and swap it for an upgrade from CE 1.0 to CE 2.0. This could be something similar on this device. The way you can get stuff onto the device, is to get a CF card adapter for that PCMCIA slot. I use my 320LX as a portable word processor. That one has a CF slot, but it seems to not work entirely properly under battery power, where the PCMCIA adapter works reliably. I do a similar thing for my HP200LX, which is a machine I enjoy using a lot more, as it can run all sorts of old DOS software. But, the keyboard has a number pad, which shoves everything over left, which makes it less ergonomic to thumb type with, which is why I got the 320LX.
I actually have one of those Sony VAIO ultra-portables. It has a Transmeta Crusoe CPU in it as well as ATI graphics, and the aspect ratio on it is insane, something like 1200x600 or something. It needs a couple parts to get up and running again, but the last time I used it, it does work. It's a pretty neat little machine. It's a Sony VAIO PCG-C1MGP. I just need to find everything for it, it's dotted about all over my room in different boxes :S
I believe it doesn't matter how many amps the power supply is rated for, the device will pull as many amps as it needs to run. The power supply will not push the full 3A to the device. I also believe its the voltage is what really matters to not let the magic smoke out. Don't know if I'm right though.
You can easily get more storage on that device (and transfer files easily) by purchasing a PCMCIA to CF or SD adapter. I used to have a HP Jornada back in the day and that's how I put stuff on it.
You wouldn't want the Vaio P's either way. Those use Poulsbo (PowerVR) graphics which are not only crappy, they also don't work on Linux and the Windows driver is extremely outdated.
own slight older hp model with a mono screen (white backlight) so glad it takes AA batteries! well except the time plugged in a 56k pcmcia modem and drained them in seconds connecting to internet via dial up! I did try to get linux which can run from pcmcia / CF storage (mine has both sockets) but obscure chipsets, rare cpu types (mips) and I guess lack of interest on those devices lead me to find nothing, mine is stuck with CE, I can only say I am grateful it comes with a bunch of software otherwise it would be useless.
You can probably send files back and forth over IrDA with an XP machine. Just have to find an old laptop with an IrDA port (I've used machines as new as the ThinkPad X60 that still had infrared), or you can get a serial IrDA device from eBay. I used to use one called the JetEye PC. I bet a CompactFlash PCMCIA adapter might work too, assuming it has the drivers for it. Not sure if you'll be able to find a decent price on it, but I was curious and found the serial cable's model is QCNW-1015YCZZ. Good luck! Pretty cool old device you've got there.
Ways to connect to a computer: You can buy a USB Irda dongle, and use it to connect via ActiveSync from a Windows 98 to XP computer, or "Mobile center" from a Windows Vista to 7 computer. I don't know if you can go higher than 7 with ActiveSync. You can also buy a CompactFlash to PCMCIA adatper, as it's a passive adapter, it's really cheap and does not require drivers. If you go for a SD to PCMCIA adapter, make sure it emulates CompactFlash, because if it's native MMC or SD, it may require drivers that can be very hard to install on a Windows CE computer that doesn't have a SD slot built in. The same problem with drivers is the one you'll find with a PCMCIA Wifi card. The best bet is to find a list of compatible ones (meaning the PDA has the drivers factory installed), and if you don't find the exact models, try to identify the wifi chipset they use and buy any maker/model that uses the same chipset.
Linux on them doesn't work that way ;) The loader will bootstrap the kernel and then kick windows the hell out of there(ie freeing up all ram used by it). Unfortunately this usually means you must store personal files and such on a memory card since ram will get nuked. (virtually all handhelds / pocket PC's from this era used ram as both storage and.. well ram :) ) I saw it had support for PC card. Get a cheap pcmcia to cf adapter and a cf card and you're set.
I believe Windows CE is stored on a ROM on this device. Any files, configurations, or linux would be stored in RAM. When power is lost so is everything you've added. So what I meant was that Windows CE would still be "on" the device taking up "storage". There would be relatively little space for linux to be stored. If it had a normal re-writable boot drive I would remove as much of WinCE as possible and replace it with linux. I like the PCMCIA to CF adapter idea. I'll have to explore that. That sounds like something simple enough that drivers may not be needed.
I remember there was an application called "Sprite Backup" for Windows CE and Mobile Classic that helped with that thing of losing personal data, by basically backing up the storage partition of the RAM into a file on a memory card.
AkBKukU Doesn't need drivers, I have that Sharp's bigger badder brother, I do everything off of a Sandisk CF to PCMCIA card when I use it. (Which admittedly isn't much these days)
at least the HTC Kaiser(a decent Device if you're using Opera Mini 5 and have a downloader that can download a .3gp format of a youtube video though you are limited to up to 15 MB downloads) a Windows Mobile device doesn't have this issue though my imate Jam suffers from this horrible issue of losing what is stored on it
This is amusing, I just bought a NEC Mobilepro 780 on ebay 2 weeks ago because i wanted a pocket computer. I lust for the vaio computers but i would get a gpd pocket over a vaio for that price. Its interesting to see this windows ce palmtop. Its sad it has that style keyboard. I couldnt type on that. also its sad it doesnt have external memory expansion. My Mobilepro has cf card slot on the front of it. Great video as always.
I dunno if this has already been put out there, but I've been loving those raspberry pi hacks where they put them in a old PSP or gameboy as an emulator hand held. So could get a PI 3, solder off the USB, network, hdmi ports. Then attach a new screen if you can find one, cut in some USB Holes, HDMI out? And put in a rechargeable battery so that it can be charged off the micro USB port.
7:17 That's like the fastest startup of a mobile device I've seen, unless the OS already started up and was being kept by the backup battery and basically resumed from sleep.
They only have Ram for system Storage. The only non-volatile memory was for the OS. They didn't have any onboard storage for anything unless you installed a Flash Card. When they battery died you lost all your data and installed programs. It was like a fresh install of windows. That's why you periodically backed up your device on an a Flash Memory card or to your computer via Windows ActiveSync. It wasn't a big deal because CE and PDA devices didn't need a lot of Juice. Some could go up to three days if you were not using it constantly.
that Voice recorder is not bad, it's probably running at a super low bit rate being that it's recording to volatile Ram. I used to go to the office store and oogle at them when I was younger I always wanted one.
Also the OK button is right next to the X. Any other version of windows uses the OK button near the bottom of the window. I know it was released before xp because notice the start button.
I have an HP one of these in my collection. The module under the trap door on the bottom = the ROMs for CE (they planned to make them upgradable that way). At least mine does take regular AA cells...
Could you get data on there using that handy "The Internet" app? Or does it not come with any WiFi PCMCIA card drivers preloaded on the system, putting that idea back at square one?
Not sure if your still tinkering with this, but i just found out you can swap the battery adapter (takes "AA" nimh cells) from the hc 4100 so no need for modifications if you can find one
Well it does have an internal PCMCIA/ PC Card bus @2:50. they make all sorts of things from that. RAM Modules, Solid State like drives, Modems, NIC interfaces, USB 2.0 Hubs (they can be powered externally via a PSU) etc.. You may have to do a little modding, make a port to insert the cards.
I bet you'd like an HP Jornada clamshell. The keyboard is actually almost of usable, and it has a CF slot as well as the PC Card... and they're usually less than $20 delivered on eBay. Pretty decent for an old novelty. Same deal with Windows CE and everything being ROM based, but it has a good Linux distro iirc OTOH, for the use you imagined, you'll have a bad time with any of these WinCE machines, since they barely have any driver support for wifi cards past 802.11*B*
I had one of these back in the early 2000's and never got it to do anything useful lol.. was still cool to play with now and then but palm devices were much better in school
I would love a GPD Win (*cough* Pandora *cough*). I have a hard time justifying something that expensive that I know I won't every day. I've also used a lot of... let's say "niche" hardware like that from unknown manufactures. They usually work great when you use them exactly how they are designed to be when they are relevant. But if you go even a little out of their comfort zone or need something for it after it's hayday, they can be a pain. I know I'll end up getting one some day, it's just probably not some day soon. Also, I would want to use it mostly through the keyboard which doesn't look great on the GPD Win.
The GPD Win 1 is not designed to be used with Linux and due to the weird processor many people have troubles with drivers etc. Since you're a Linux expert as it seems you should probably be able to find workarounds tho. I'm currently using the GPD Win 2 (I own both) and the keyboard is much nicer, plus due to it having a m7 inside Linux support is far better and Ubuntu as example should work out of the box. But the keyboard is definitely not one you could use in a "lay-on-table" way since the keys are too small.
I played with those win ce pda's a lot back in the days. You can run a linux distro with a program called HaRET from within wince. Its not fast obviously because of haret because the bootloader isn't unlocked.
I had gotten a Win CE "netboot" as a Christmas present once. Pretty sure they didn't realize how severely unusable it was as a gift in 2012... The storage did not persist in any way whatsoever, so programs could not be installed to it.
I think this machine has a PCMCIA slot (or was that CF?) Maybe you can use a CF to PCMCIA adapter, or even a PCMCIA Ethernet card to transfer files across.
Great video. I had the earlier monochrome version of this and the battery life was *terrible*! To the point where it was unusable. Fascinated by the idea of WiFi pcmcia card, but I doubt that version of CE has the requisite WiFi services... Please try!
@@peterlamont647 Eh? It was brand new. And how does a "very used" version affect non-rechargable battery life anyway? And since when did the promised specs match the reality?
How about a cheap PCMCIA to compact flash adapter to transfer stuff onto it, it's my go to method of transferring data to pre-cd/pre-usb based laptops.
you should get a "pocket pc" these things run windows mobile 2003 and are really solid. you can use active sync to sync them and play games on them. i recommend a hp hx4700 and ive used one before. they are really neat.
Proper Windows Mobile PCs are great. I have a Toshiba model ( th-cam.com/video/ylCrfxcix5g/w-d-xo.html ). It's such a shame Apple came out with their gutted, over simplified iphone and made it a status symbol to own. Windows Mobile was clearly the direction we needed to go in. They can pry my stylus' from my cold dead hands!
AkBKukU after the fail of Newton and the return of Steve jobs I think apple just gave up. Windows mobile was the way to go, imagine having a computer in your pocket with msn and email
AkBKukU I have 2 windows mobile phones (HTC Excalibur/T-Mobile Dash). They are awesome. I wish more applications had WiFi support (not a common thing in 2006) so 2 web browsers actually worked (UC Browser and IE). Other than that, I did enjoy it. Mine ran windows Mobile 6.1 and I tried getting them to windows mobile 6.5 but the firmware flashers didn't work.
I have an HP Jornada 720 with windows HPC 2000. So I can run JLime Linux. It also could run a version of bsd with desktop too. So, you could run linux there too.
Just saying, soldering on NiMH cells is not nearly as critical as it would be on lithiums, and even with those it seems to be quite doable without them going off in your face (the trick seems to be going fast, preliminary sanding of surfaces for better tinning and not trying it on LiPos whatever happens). Did you measure the dimensions of the original cells? Pixel counting suggests maybe 18 mm diameter and pretty much the same length as an AA, could be an AF (18x51). Anyway, I'm guessing those LSD cells should be mostly adequate, though something like Eneloop Pros may have been a better choice (being rated for high current consumption). BTW, it may be possible to revive the original cells to some degree unless they are shorted, thought I guess that's a moot point now.
PileOfEmptyTapes Hey, i did the same project recently on this model. The Hc-4600. They used single A batteries. I couldnt source them so I went witha 4/5A battery with tabs pre-welded. Much better option than consumer AAs if for no other reason then power capacity. Originals had 2500mah. Mine have 2200 mah. So overall, not bad. Average AA is like 1500 mah i think. I did try charging the batteries repeatedly, tried freezing then charging etc. They were just bricked. Also the 1.2 volt "reference voltage" he points out in the video, isn't. Its actually a second 2.4v input. Both have to be connected. I just wired both up to the +2.4 and that worked. 1.2v actually did nothing. It was like having no battery at all. Once they were both 2.4 it lit up and charged normally. However, my digitizer doesn't work. Which is terrible. At least mine has the 32 mb upgrade so if i have to buy another one, it wont be a total loss. I'm hoping i can fox that issue as well.
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TIP: Don't push on the screen hard when you calibrate, it's not force... the stylus needs to be on the X for 1 or 2 full seconds... (this is why you perceive it takes lots of pressure, it's not instant like today's tech.)
Just a note, in case you don't know: These little Win CE PPCs can actually take PCMIA CF card readers, which would allow you to expand the storage, and move things to and from it. I use one in my Compaq handheld PC and it works perfect for that!
I've personally soldered quite a few batteries and have never had a problem. The most important thing is to use a quality soldering iron that will let you get in and out without sinking too much heat into the battery. Use Flux pretin both the batt and the wire and you shouldn't have to apply heat for more than a couple seconds at a time. I can touch the solder joint almost immediately after the solder solidifies which means very little heat got into the cell itself.
I remember being fascinated with these, when they were sold in stores, often sitting next to HP Jornada's. I went with HP's 720 and loved it so much, when the original wore off, I bought myself a second one. Sold both off to someone else later, when the 2nd screen was starting to dim too much. If only there was a replacement TFT screen. CF card made it very easy to transfer software, even without a link cable. Those things also ran on NiMh, for up to 8 hours (when an average laptop lasted only 2). Spec-wise, HP's were similar to Sharp, but had way more physical functionality.
Love your videos. Excellent camera focus, zoom and narration. Very professional and well done.
0:07 "I've been wanting a pocket-sized tiny computer for a while now"
0:32 *shows pdf manual on smartphone*
;)
Smartphones don't have physical keyboard (there were some back in 2010-2012) and typing really long commands on a touchscreen can be frustrating and time consuming.
today you can easily buy remote physical keyboard that you can pair with your smartphone and use it for your convenience
A phone doesn't run windows or macos
@@harpergaming2731 No, but pinephones run Linux.
@@harpergaming2731 Still a computer, a computer is something that calculates processes in binary. Couldnt expect anything from harper gaming to be honest : /
Still not as dangerous as soldering to 18650 cells like The 8-Bit Guy did a few years ago
Haha, I remember that.
Back when he was the iBookGuy
@Hazard There's a cheap way to do it (see LinusTechTips)
It's not as dangerous as it seems
But shouldn't be done
@Hazard and there is
Or you can do a bank of capacitors which will do the exact same
5:54 those are A Cells (Single A), fyi. very uncommon, pretty much never used in Consumer applications, BUT you can source them!
Make sure you spot weld it ....with a soldering iron and flux
eksine soldering isn’t the same as spot welding.......
@@colinantink9094 I think the joke went over your head dude
eksine ah. Oops. I see the joke now heh. In this situation should have been wooshed!
Colin Antink, yeah in the video at 6:30 he made a joke about spot welding, and he shows the solder he used
If it has a working PCMCIA slot, you may try to use those Compact Flash cards to store data and transfer them to the PC by a Compact Flash to PCMCIA adapters, that's how I install Office 95 on my Toshiba Libretto
PCMCIA adapters for SD cards do exist, I found a few at a yard sale
No, get an Orinoco Gold WiFi card, for that vintage wardriving/hacking experience
Do you still remember all the good things you COULDN'T do with Windows CE?
Those good times have fortunately come to an end.
You can use the PCMCIA slot as a flash based storage device. It might make data transfer easier.
The first screen 21:9
Before it's time. They called it with the ultra-wide craze. (/s)
@Syscapist looks more like 21:9
640:240=8:3
M & F Channel Country's and Technology's. XD
24:9
I have bought the same model today for 1€ at a flea market, and it's batteries were rusty so I threw them out, took two rechargeable batteries and placed them in with aluminum foil, and I also replaced the cache battery and now it works just fine.
That cylindrical metal thingy is a thermal fuse.
The Tyttuutface he already said it.
In the same section of the manual, it says it is a fuse that cuts off at 170oF. There is also internal heat sensor stuff that turns off charging. They put that in there as an extreme case for extra safety.
7:45 WOAH! That display is *EXTREMELY* HQ considering when it was released (notice I didn't use HD, in case that is improper for this resolution).
My Jornada wasn't back-lit either. You had to have a lamp on to read it.
Old C-STN tech: nice sharpness for its time, decent colors, but *awful* viewing angles, and maybe half a second or more of ghosting! Pretty power hungry too, along with the glutton of a CCFL backlight
Probably would look like spilling paint if you tried to watch a video, or play a game (not that you'd really be able to do either of those on here lol)
@@leisergeist Well, it is a sharp. *badum-tsh*
Ooh, these WinCE handheld PCs are fantastic fun to play around with. You can actually do a surprising amount of offline stuff with them, if you can be bothered to keep syncing things over... slowly.
I did have Linux running on a HP Jornada 680 a while back, it was very, very slow - but it did actually work just fine. It kicks Windows CE completely out of RAM upon booting Linux from what I remember.
Almost a year to the day, I am writing this to suggest you should attempt to collab with someone into 3D printing to produce a detachable back piece which fastens the batteries into the unit rather than reuse the battery case. Seems viable, and with enough additive manufacturing you should be able to make something work.
There was a touchscreen driver fix that made it more sensitive. Had same problem in HC-4600 ~13 years ago ;)
i love how youre so smart in electronics and I can only change batteries and sometimes mix up the sides.
Well, I have two HP Jornada 720s and I've used them daily in the last 3 years to take notes on university, record 3 hours long lectures (in a suprisingly good quality) and to listen mp3-s. I must say that Windows CE 3.0 Handheld PC 2000 is the most stable OS that I've ever used. Within these 3 years, there was only 1 time, that one of them had crashed. Even handles the 8 GB CF card which is officially unsupported. I have 3 batteries for them, but one is enough for a normal day. The Pocket Office is way better than the Office for Android and also can handle the same keyboard shortcuts as the normal office.
Lol @ "spot welding"
Opening that battery pack looked like torture.
A few years ago I had an HP Jornada 690 unit very similar to this. It could be synced via USB over a syncing cradle. IIRC it also took Compact Flash cards natively, and had a PCMCIA slot. Great little unit for its day, but not much use these days. There are a few working Wifi cards supported by it.
I bought an old Jornada 620 that was sold on New Egg ten years ago. They were used by Conductors on Dutch Rail. Back then it was hard to find a WIFI card with supported drivers, it will be really difficult now. Also, it will be impossible to find a card that supports both CE and and modern encryption. You'll only be able to use it on open WIFI , because it will only be able to use WEP. There are also no shortage of pcmica NIC adapters. I used a pcmcia flash memory adapter to move data on and off it. If you have the Sync cable you can use a USB-Serial adapter and Microsoft Mobile Sync to access the CE device too. The WIFI part really sucks, because I would have continued using, but WEP is obsolete. I also used the same WIFI adapter on my Libreto 50CT, and it was the same deal. I had Tiny Linux on it and those two were my main mobiles devices. I was forced to buy an EEEPC. I like tiny computers.
I miss WinCE
I really want a modern machine like this.
I bet the PCMCIA slot would support a CF or smart card adapter
It very much does. I used to use them with my Cassiopeia A10.
Back in the early 2000s I had several different Mobilon devices, because the only other mobile computing options at that time were bulky, expensive laptop computers. I started with the HC-4100 which had a black & white LCD screen and ran off of 2 AA batteries. I later bought a HC-4600 because it had a color screen. It was slightly heavier and bulkier than the HC-4100. Unfortunately, I had to do the same repair that is featured in this video. Eventually, I finally decided to sell the HC-4600 because it was a bit bulky and the short battery life. Simply put, I found the HC-4100 to be a better device for my mobile needs at that time.
Man I thought that voice recorder worked way better than I thought it would.
I still have a portable DVD player where the battery died and the replacement I bought actually did not fit, though it looked the same. I opened both batteries and swapped the cells, along with the polarity. The original battery pack had 4 cell and two empty spaces. The new battery had 6 cells and slipped right in the old case. Prolonged the operational life by at least 50%.
At 6:21 i believe that “metal piece” is actually a thermistor
8:28- You're talking on recorder on Earth.
8:38- You realize that you are in space and someone on mission control is hearing you.
I remember when I used to use Windows 98 voice recorder 8:37 that you can actually go to Options and change the file format to a higher bit rate, not sure about this version though,
I am debating buying a working unit that has a bad rechargeable cell. Wish I had the standard battery door. Great video :-)
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I owned such a device many jears ago. For data transfer you can use a Compct Flash card with a PCMCIA to CF adapter.
Greetings from Germany.
I am writing a game for these WinCE systems. I love the idea of a computer in the pocket...
its called a phone
@@priam5928 LOL, silly person thinks phones have keyboards and peripheral ports. And no, bluetooth keyboards that are so small that you tap four keys at the same time while just trying to press one doesn't count.
I loved the spot welding joke 😂
I have soldered batterys before for my RC Car Li-ion batterys what you have to do is take sand paper and ruff up the surfaces for the solder to wick to, you just have to make sure the cell doesn't get to hot to go into meltdown mode.
Awesome video. love those little machines. Hope to see more of that sharp !
Soldering to batteries is definitely safer than spot welding since there is much less heat involved (if you do it quickly). Mr Carlson's lab made a video about a really good method for soldering to batteries. Yes I did notice you soldered the batteries anyway.
Guy Crew Ya, he made a custom soldering iron for the job essentially. I've soldered to batteries with a regular iron and it is a hassle! Just trying to get the solder to melt and stay on the contact is difficult...even after sanding. The iron just doesn't heat it up fast enough like Mr. Carlson's cool little contraption.
@@peterlamont647 I can't find the video, would you mind sharing the link?
I have an HP windows CE device (320 LX), that has a daughterboard that looks a lot like that little board you thought might be RAM or storage. On the HP device, it's the ROM, and you could take it out and swap it for an upgrade from CE 1.0 to CE 2.0. This could be something similar on this device.
The way you can get stuff onto the device, is to get a CF card adapter for that PCMCIA slot. I use my 320LX as a portable word processor. That one has a CF slot, but it seems to not work entirely properly under battery power, where the PCMCIA adapter works reliably.
I do a similar thing for my HP200LX, which is a machine I enjoy using a lot more, as it can run all sorts of old DOS software. But, the keyboard has a number pad, which shoves everything over left, which makes it less ergonomic to thumb type with, which is why I got the 320LX.
This reminds me of the Nokia 9210. I wanted one of those so bad back in the day
I actually have one of those Sony VAIO ultra-portables. It has a Transmeta Crusoe CPU in it as well as ATI graphics, and the aspect ratio on it is insane, something like 1200x600 or something. It needs a couple parts to get up and running again, but the last time I used it, it does work. It's a pretty neat little machine. It's a Sony VAIO PCG-C1MGP.
I just need to find everything for it, it's dotted about all over my room in different boxes :S
I believe it doesn't matter how many amps the power supply is rated for, the device will pull as many amps as it needs to run. The power supply will not push the full 3A to the device. I also believe its the voltage is what really matters to not let the magic smoke out. Don't know if I'm right though.
I really like this channel and its the 2nd video that i watch...
I did the same rebuild like 15 years ago :)
You can easily get more storage on that device (and transfer files easily) by purchasing a PCMCIA to CF or SD adapter. I used to have a HP Jornada back in the day and that's how I put stuff on it.
You wouldn't want the Vaio P's either way. Those use Poulsbo (PowerVR) graphics which are not only crappy, they also don't work on Linux and the Windows driver is extremely outdated.
own slight older hp model with a mono screen (white backlight) so glad it takes AA batteries! well except the time plugged in a 56k pcmcia modem and drained them in seconds connecting to internet via dial up!
I did try to get linux which can run from pcmcia / CF storage (mine has both sockets) but obscure chipsets, rare cpu types (mips) and I guess lack of interest on those devices lead me to find nothing, mine is stuck with CE, I can only say I am grateful it comes with a bunch of software otherwise it would be useless.
Well at least we found out how your show would sound on am radio
You can probably send files back and forth over IrDA with an XP machine. Just have to find an old laptop with an IrDA port (I've used machines as new as the ThinkPad X60 that still had infrared), or you can get a serial IrDA device from eBay. I used to use one called the JetEye PC. I bet a CompactFlash PCMCIA adapter might work too, assuming it has the drivers for it. Not sure if you'll be able to find a decent price on it, but I was curious and found the serial cable's model is QCNW-1015YCZZ. Good luck! Pretty cool old device you've got there.
Ways to connect to a computer: You can buy a USB Irda dongle, and use it to connect via ActiveSync from a Windows 98 to XP computer, or "Mobile center" from a Windows Vista to 7 computer. I don't know if you can go higher than 7 with ActiveSync.
You can also buy a CompactFlash to PCMCIA adatper, as it's a passive adapter, it's really cheap and does not require drivers. If you go for a SD to PCMCIA adapter, make sure it emulates CompactFlash, because if it's native MMC or SD, it may require drivers that can be very hard to install on a Windows CE computer that doesn't have a SD slot built in.
The same problem with drivers is the one you'll find with a PCMCIA Wifi card. The best bet is to find a list of compatible ones (meaning the PDA has the drivers factory installed), and if you don't find the exact models, try to identify the wifi chipset they use and buy any maker/model that uses the same chipset.
His voice on the voice recorder sounded like that detailed instuction video that comes with 90's software back then.
Linux on them doesn't work that way ;)
The loader will bootstrap the kernel and then kick windows the hell out of there(ie freeing up all ram used by it). Unfortunately this usually means you must store personal files and such on a memory card since ram will get nuked. (virtually all handhelds / pocket PC's from this era used ram as both storage and.. well ram :) )
I saw it had support for PC card. Get a cheap pcmcia to cf adapter and a cf card and you're set.
I believe Windows CE is stored on a ROM on this device. Any files, configurations, or linux would be stored in RAM. When power is lost so is everything you've added. So what I meant was that Windows CE would still be "on" the device taking up "storage". There would be relatively little space for linux to be stored. If it had a normal re-writable boot drive I would remove as much of WinCE as possible and replace it with linux.
I like the PCMCIA to CF adapter idea. I'll have to explore that. That sounds like something simple enough that drivers may not be needed.
nuking windows like that avatar image you got
I remember there was an application called "Sprite Backup" for Windows CE and Mobile Classic that helped with that thing of losing personal data, by basically backing up the storage partition of the RAM into a file on a memory card.
AkBKukU Doesn't need drivers, I have that Sharp's bigger badder brother, I do everything off of a Sandisk CF to PCMCIA card when I use it. (Which admittedly isn't much these days)
at least the HTC Kaiser(a decent Device if you're using Opera Mini 5 and have a downloader that can download a .3gp format of a youtube video though you are limited to up to 15 MB downloads) a Windows Mobile device doesn't have this issue though my imate Jam suffers from this horrible issue of losing what is stored on it
Awesome video as always
Damn, i used to own a HP Jornada 720 back in high school.. that was the under the reign of intel atom netbooks xD
6:28 Lol, I totally did not see any solder there...
That was pretty funny.
This is amusing, I just bought a NEC Mobilepro 780 on ebay 2 weeks ago because i wanted a pocket computer. I lust for the vaio computers but i would get a gpd pocket over a vaio for that price. Its interesting to see this windows ce palmtop. Its sad it has that style keyboard. I couldnt type on that. also its sad it doesnt have external memory expansion. My Mobilepro has cf card slot on the front of it.
Great video as always.
Most CE devices have a PCMCIA or PC slot. Get a PCMCIA CF card adapter. There are also WIFI and NIC adapters via the same port.
Can't comment on WiFi but if you want much better keyboard, Look for a LG Phenom Express. loved that thing back in the day for instant messenger.
I dunno if this has already been put out there, but I've been loving those raspberry pi hacks where they put them in a old PSP or gameboy as an emulator hand held. So could get a PI 3, solder off the USB, network, hdmi ports. Then attach a new screen if you can find one, cut in some USB Holes, HDMI out? And put in a rechargeable battery so that it can be charged off the micro USB port.
Great vid. I laughed. Still own one of these.
this makes me want to revive my casio cassiopeia A-11
7:17 That's like the fastest startup of a mobile device I've seen, unless the OS already started up and was being kept by the backup battery and basically resumed from sleep.
They only have Ram for system Storage. The only non-volatile memory was for the OS. They didn't have any onboard storage for anything unless you installed a Flash Card. When they battery died you lost all your data and installed programs. It was like a fresh install of windows. That's why you periodically backed up your device on an a Flash Memory card or to your computer via Windows ActiveSync. It wasn't a big deal because CE and PDA devices didn't need a lot of Juice. Some could go up to three days if you were not using it constantly.
Awesome video!!!
I want that Windows CE thing. It was small wide laptop than every sizes.
Omg omg omg omg!!!! A video
The Secret of NiMH!
that Voice recorder is not bad, it's probably running at a super low bit rate being that it's recording to volatile Ram. I used to go to the office store and oogle at them when I was younger I always wanted one.
great device :)
I think I saw one of these in a British show called Black Books in season 2 episode 6. Two of the character use one to get plane tickets online.
Also the OK button is right next to the X. Any other version of windows uses the OK button near the bottom of the window. I know it was released before xp because notice the start button.
This things really cool, Would get one myself if there was an easy way to connect to a modern pc so I could fool around with it.
ultra-wide gaming display
perfect for mine sweeper
I have an HP one of these in my collection. The module under the trap door on the bottom = the ROMs for CE (they planned to make them upgradable that way). At least mine does take regular AA cells...
Your best option is definitely a pcmcia to cf adapter for storage
Could you get data on there using that handy "The Internet" app? Or does it not come with any WiFi PCMCIA card drivers preloaded on the system, putting that idea back at square one?
William Kulich if that card slot is standard, why not a CF adapter? That'll also cover storage incase the battery dies.
Windows ce
Haha definitely no wifi drivers in this thing.. I had one of these 15 years ago or so but never succeeded in getting it online
Not sure if your still tinkering with this, but i just found out you can swap the battery adapter (takes "AA" nimh cells) from the hc 4100 so no need for modifications if you can find one
Well it does have an internal PCMCIA/ PC Card bus @2:50. they make all sorts of things from that. RAM Modules, Solid State like drives, Modems, NIC interfaces, USB 2.0 Hubs (they can be powered externally via a PSU) etc.. You may have to do a little modding, make a port to insert the cards.
I bet you'd like an HP Jornada clamshell. The keyboard is actually almost of usable, and it has a CF slot as well as the PC Card... and they're usually less than $20 delivered on eBay. Pretty decent for an old novelty. Same deal with Windows CE and everything being ROM based, but it has a good Linux distro iirc
OTOH, for the use you imagined, you'll have a bad time with any of these WinCE machines, since they barely have any driver support for wifi cards past 802.11*B*
This looks cool subbed
I had one of these back in the early 2000's and never got it to do anything useful lol.. was still cool to play with now and then but palm devices were much better in school
2:22 That’s the Windows CE OS ROM chip. All user data is stored in RAM
Probably should have looked for some of the unusual batteries. Like the 4/5 AA, but it was probably the R23 by the looks of it.
me gusta. es increible que todavia funcione
Wow, never seen such a pc
Why not going for a GPD Win Pocket Computer? Or too expensive?
yeah but thats not as fun is it
I would love a GPD Win (*cough* Pandora *cough*). I have a hard time justifying something that expensive that I know I won't every day. I've also used a lot of... let's say "niche" hardware like that from unknown manufactures. They usually work great when you use them exactly how they are designed to be when they are relevant. But if you go even a little out of their comfort zone or need something for it after it's hayday, they can be a pain.
I know I'll end up getting one some day, it's just probably not some day soon. Also, I would want to use it mostly through the keyboard which doesn't look great on the GPD Win.
oh jeez i forgot about the Pandora. they looked neat.
The GPD Win 1 is not designed to be used with Linux and due to the weird processor many people have troubles with drivers etc. Since you're a Linux expert as it seems you should probably be able to find workarounds tho. I'm currently using the GPD Win 2 (I own both) and the keyboard is much nicer, plus due to it having a m7 inside Linux support is far better and Ubuntu as example should work out of the box. But the keyboard is definitely not one you could use in a "lay-on-table" way since the keys are too small.
EpicLPer why the gpd win over the gpd pocket?
I played with those win ce pda's a lot back in the days. You can run a linux distro with a program called HaRET from within wince. Its not fast obviously because of haret because the bootloader isn't unlocked.
I had gotten a Win CE "netboot" as a Christmas present once. Pretty sure they didn't realize how severely unusable it was as a gift in 2012... The storage did not persist in any way whatsoever, so programs could not be installed to it.
I have on older version of this with 4 color grayscale LCD. I also miss the serial cable like you. :(
They sell cables on eBay. I have a compaq c120. Basically the same except black and white.
I think this machine has a PCMCIA slot (or was that CF?) Maybe you can use a CF to PCMCIA adapter, or even a PCMCIA Ethernet card to transfer files across.
Great video. I had the earlier monochrome version of this and the battery life was *terrible*! To the point where it was unusable. Fascinated by the idea of WiFi pcmcia card, but I doubt that version of CE has the requisite WiFi services... Please try!
You must have had a very used version. Out of the box the HC-4100 model had a 25 hour battery life. Which is far superior to this model.
@@peterlamont647 Eh? It was brand new. And how does a "very used" version affect non-rechargable battery life anyway? And since when did the promised specs match the reality?
How about a cheap PCMCIA to compact flash adapter to transfer stuff onto it, it's my go to method of transferring data to pre-cd/pre-usb based laptops.
A bit late, but would really recommend the HP Jornada 680 / 720 over this. Much better build, compatibility, etc
you should get a "pocket pc" these things run windows mobile 2003 and are really solid. you can use active sync to sync them and play games on them. i recommend a hp hx4700 and ive used one before. they are really neat.
Proper Windows Mobile PCs are great. I have a Toshiba model ( th-cam.com/video/ylCrfxcix5g/w-d-xo.html ). It's such a shame Apple came out with their gutted, over simplified iphone and made it a status symbol to own. Windows Mobile was clearly the direction we needed to go in. They can pry my stylus' from my cold dead hands!
AkBKukU after the fail of Newton and the return of Steve jobs I think apple just gave up. Windows mobile was the way to go, imagine having a computer in your pocket with msn and email
AkBKukU I have 2 windows mobile phones (HTC Excalibur/T-Mobile Dash). They are awesome. I wish more applications had WiFi support (not a common thing in 2006) so 2 web browsers actually worked (UC Browser and IE). Other than that, I did enjoy it. Mine ran windows Mobile 6.1 and I tried getting them to windows mobile 6.5 but the firmware flashers didn't work.
I have this model! I wish I could find a replacement battery..
I have an HP Jornada 720 with windows HPC 2000. So I can run JLime Linux. It also could run a version of bsd with desktop too. So, you could run linux there too.
Just saying, soldering on NiMH cells is not nearly as critical as it would be on lithiums, and even with those it seems to be quite doable without them going off in your face (the trick seems to be going fast, preliminary sanding of surfaces for better tinning and not trying it on LiPos whatever happens).
Did you measure the dimensions of the original cells? Pixel counting suggests maybe 18 mm diameter and pretty much the same length as an AA, could be an AF (18x51). Anyway, I'm guessing those LSD cells should be mostly adequate, though something like Eneloop Pros may have been a better choice (being rated for high current consumption).
BTW, it may be possible to revive the original cells to some degree unless they are shorted, thought I guess that's a moot point now.
PileOfEmptyTapes Hey, i did the same project recently on this model. The Hc-4600. They used single A batteries. I couldnt source them so I went witha 4/5A battery with tabs pre-welded. Much better option than consumer AAs if for no other reason then power capacity. Originals had 2500mah. Mine have 2200 mah. So overall, not bad. Average AA is like 1500 mah i think.
I did try charging the batteries repeatedly, tried freezing then charging etc. They were just bricked. Also the 1.2 volt "reference voltage" he points out in the video, isn't. Its actually a second 2.4v input. Both have to be connected. I just wired both up to the +2.4 and that worked. 1.2v actually did nothing. It was like having no battery at all. Once they were both 2.4 it lit up and charged normally.
However, my digitizer doesn't work. Which is terrible. At least mine has the 32 mb upgrade so if i have to buy another one, it wont be a total loss. I'm hoping i can fox that issue as well.
Ahh yes, that lead spot welding rod. Safety third
6:30 yeahhh... I totally spot welded my Dreamcast clock battery... Totally...
Doesn't this have a PCMCIA slot? Stick a PC-CARD to CF adapter in there, then you have plenty of easy access to storage/copying of data.
You should check out GPD's pocket computers. They actually seem really solid