When Des Ford threatened the authority of daughter of the Devil Ellen White by revealing that the foundational doctrine of the Adventist demonic cult is blasphemous heresy, hundreds of Adventist pastors followed Ford and began to preach the genuine gospel given to the apostles. They were all fired. Chris says some questionable things but he’s on a journey exploring the real gospel message of Jesus. Of course you think he is a threat. You are a deluded demonic cultist with a different message than the message given to Paul, personally, by Jesus of Nazareth. You are a blasphemous heretic going to eternal hell. Get ready.
The mark of the beast is not a micro chip. It is about worship and the choice of Sunday worship or Sabbath worship. Each of us will make a choice. I will choose Saturday Sabbath.
Newsflash . Ppl that worship on Sunday as far as they know they are worshipping on a sabbath. So there will be no such choice in that kind of recognizable fact . It will boils down only to whether you are loyal to God or friends and tradition .
It sounds to me that this man has always been confused about his walk with Jesus. He's too young to be a pastor in my opinion. Just because you graduated from seminary school does not make you a pastor. This is the problem with our church, it just cranks out as many pastors as it can. Not to mention what they are teaching at our Adventist Universities is not 100% Biblical. I've heard many stories of the things going on in Adventist colleges and they're not very Christian like. If he can be so influenced by one person after the other than he is just weak in his faith. Also it sounds like he was lead astray from the beginning, believing that the mark of the beast was some microchip. This has never been a belief in the Adventist Church. I pray he sees the light once again and returns to the remnant Church.
That is one of my wonder now here in the Philippines there are newly baptized and went to seminary after school easily absorb by the mission compared to born Adventist some are 2 nd or 3rd generation who are hanging there applications.
I feel the same. We had a young new pastor at our church and from the moment I met him I said "this isn't right" turns out he's gay. A pastor needs to be able to lead and have life experience but these days it's not the case.
Watch out, Looks like Phillipines is in danger, we had a phillipino missionary doctor who terrorised our mission station in Africa with his gay activities. He was sent back home by ye conference
There are some teachings of our church that , when you actually read the Bible, you can't maintain anymore , for example, the idea of Jesus only entering the Holy of Holies just in 1844 , but when you read Hebrews you can clearly see that Jesus already entered the Holy of Holies a long time ago once and for all.
@@melodygn Indeed Jesus sacrifice was done once and for all at the cross, However what he is doing in Heaven for us is intercession not dying again and that's what the prophecy foretold, Jesus entering the Holy of Holies is biblical based on Daniel 8, let's dig deep into scriptures cause this kind of small things are the ones that will cause shaking in the church.
@@diugach1141 this is not a small thing, either you believe in the author of Hebrews or not. You either believe Jesus entered the Holy of Holies long time ago, just once, or He just entered on 1844, the whole premise of the SDA church falls apart with Hebrews.
Feelings VS FAITH Many people will be lost flying after fluttery feelings of supposed spiritual ecstasy. STAY WITH THE WORD feeling or no feeling. Anchor yourself to the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. Refuse to turn to the left or to the right. Stay on the NARROW ROAD specified in the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. Feelings are not a safe guide. Many will leave the truth following feelings and emotions. We will walk by faith and not by feelings. Amen.
When you're afraid and not holding on to the Rock, Jesus Christ; you will be afraid, Satan is working hard he likes the fear that these young men are talking about. God is a God of peace and not confusion. 1 Cor. 14:33
No SDA that ACTUALLY understands and knows what they believe in believe the mark of the beast is a microchip. Unfortunately there are so many who go to church every sabbath and don't know what they believe in
This pastor Chris really need prayers.💕🙏🏻 He is preaching trhuth and error. If one do not really understand the Bible, Then one can be in real spiritual danger, this is very very very dangerous...
Please share exactly what he said that you are describing as error. What I observe is that he read the literal words of the bible and the words of the bible without consulting the spirit of prophecy to get an explanation of what the texts means are clearly saying something different from what the church teaches. So please, for my knowledge, share exactly what he said that is an error and what is truth? Thank you.
I have not heard the whole position of the pastor, nor what other issues are going on, but his focus of lifting up Christ as the center and circumference of the gospel and knowing the unfathomless love of Christ cannot be placed aside, for it’s the very core of salvation history.
Prophesy is important if you allow the love of Christ to lead you. The present truth is beautiful and all about Jesus when studied in sincerely and in prayer.
Bro Lawerence, I thot I would hear this pastor state in his own words why he left the ministry. But I did not. I didn't even hear him say he left pastoring. Did I miss something?
The problem I see is that these conferences hire and ordain pastors entirely too quickly. This idea that the youth should lead in the church looks like this. They don't even understand life. Some of these youth need therapy, not a ministry position.
I agree that there is something wrong with the Adventist seminary. Too focus on theology and when they graduate they have no clear understanding of the gospel.
We must study the Bible with prayer. The mark of the beast is not a micro chip. The great controversy between Jesus Christ and Satan is over worship. It's about the decision one makes. It's all about the choice that we make. Paul admonished us to study to know what the truth is. John 8:32. You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. We must be vigilant
To be an adventist takes courage. It is not for people who are afraid. Just like when Daniel and the three Hebrew boys stand for truth. I pray God keep him
This was sad to watch... at the core of every true connection with Christ there has to be death to self. God's entire message from Genesis to Revelation is about love, repentance, prophecy and His laws. No matter the person, organization or conference, at the end of the day The Word of God is the truth. Let us look to what He has provided for us in ALL scripture as a guide, and not only what folks or an organization has to say. Study the Bible, ask for the Holy Spirit's guiding and put aside feelings.
@@sharingmatters5847 Nothing was said about his academic preparation for Ministry. In the SDA Church, seminary training is gradate education. Could it be that he was admitted for Seminary work without former, academic pastoral preparation? I am aware of cases where that has been done. Perhaps this is an example of why that might not be such a good idea. However, to be completely fair, the fact that I didn't hear him talk about his college concentration and/or experience(s) is, by NO means, evidence that he was not an undergrad Religion/Theology major. [As it's said: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.] With all of that noted, there's enough in his story of early family life experiences--and orientation--to trigger the proverbial red flags in the hiring (or employment) context.
If all Adventists should read Ephesians, Romans and Galatians, we will understand the Gosple of Jesus Christ. In the 1888 GC seesion, the Church rejected the Gosple that A.T Jones and waggoner with the support of E.G. White gave. From that time, many people like Desmond Ford also amplified it. Today, we are still amplifying it. We are all Adventists and love the Church. But our understanding of certain Bible facts is terrible.
17:30 but he eventually gets to the heart of the issue and that was himself and not the denomination. Which is always the case, it doesn't matter what denomination you go to, or what religion...
I believe misinformation, misinterpretation of the Bible could be a downhill slope. The Bible says that there will come a day when people persecute us and think that they’re doing the Lords will. John 16:2.
These two young men have simply been born again & have accepted the gospel of grace under the New Covenant. No issue there. May God continue to work in their young lives to bring others to Christ.
Because of one video that he was shown he leaves the church, even when we as a whole do not teach this so you leave the church is just to form your own church Leave the church start your own religion that’s the new religion thing people it’s not the church it’s not the pastor it’s not the GC, it’s me o Lord standing in the need of prayer, man is subject to failure, mistakes, but the truth it’s self will set you free, BELIEVE IT OR NOT,🙏🙏🌅 I lift my brother and so many like him up in prayer that’s all we can do🙏🙏
Amen!! We shall know the truth and the truth will may us free. Jesus answered, '' I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through me." When the spirit of truth is come, he will lead into all truth. This young man never really understood/knew truth. He had some mental strongholds. Also, we cannot just rest on the information we are taught but must know God and his truth personally. My prayer is that God will personally reveal truth to him. 🙏🙏🙏
Where there is fear there is no God. When we are children of God we do not need to worry. Focus on building a relationship with God thats the most important. Yet, signs of the time is everywhere. I pray for you Pastor Chris. I know that God works with us and desires all to be saved.
We need first n foremost the love of Christ to save n keep us saving us,. However, after being saved n by love we obey God n living according to His will.
Christian maturity is humble, open to God's leading. Both of these gentlemen need prayer. Turn your hearts and eyes upon jesus. I'm praying for them and their humble growth and love for Jesus. We can't look at other people.
God is love and He does not want us to live in a world full of trouble. When this world was first created God said "It was very good." So Jesus came as a baby then grew up went to the cross to save us from sin. Jesus is coming back, therefore, THE END TIME has to preach so people will get ready for His return.
Who are those people who don't get it?????????? Love the fulfilment of the law Romans 13:8-10 is a reflection of the gospel found in Matt 22:37-40 and John 14:15
I didn’t finish that bs podcast. (Sorry for my word) These kids are simply confused and they think that they smart enough without digging the deeper ‘truth’ I mean the deeper knowledge of the Bible. 🤷🏻♀️
Sadly they are confused. I believe the church does not do a great job of presenting the message in a balanced way in many cases. We get doctrines at crusades devoid/divorced of Christ. Christ has to be the center of the message. The doctrine cannot stand alone because we are not saved by doctrines but Christ. We need to know the doctrine but Christ is the one we should know above all. Seventh Day Adventist should be the most loving Christians in the world. There is a lot of misunderstanding of the doctrines because they are not properly presented in many cases which can lead to extremism or legalism.
He wasted his time in University. Just talking about microchip shows how immature he is.His lecturers in the University needs to be investigated. It must be that they led him astray.
Totally agree with you. Just what went through my mind, they both look and sound very shallow minded and confused, their interview is not convincing at all. Very sad 😢
Two confused young men lacking discernment. I pray they find their way 🙏🙏 On another note, this just confirms my wariness and suspicion of the Christian quality of education offered by the university he attended.
@@anng7514DOCTRINE & CHRIST RIGHTLY UNDERSTOOD & PRACTICED is ALL "ONE in CHRIST" & the SAME. I CANNOT SEPERATE THEM as MANY seem to DO. I WAS BAPTISED into CHRIST ONLY. PRAISE, THANKS. IT Was my BAPTISIMAL REQUEST & it WASN'T until AFTER my BAPTISM that I REALIZED I was MADE a MEMBER of the SDA CHURCH, which MEMBERSHIP to ME is HID with CHRIST IN GOD as the SCRIPTURES PUTS IT. I LEAVE THAT in HIS HANDS, BEFORE SDA MEMBERSHIP WAS, CHRIST WAS, BEFORE 1863 from 1844 to 1863 when the SDA CHURCH ORGANIZATION was not ESTABLISHED, FOR the GOSPEL' PURPOSES, the GOSPEL WAS.. SO WITH or WITHOUT SDA MEMBERSHIP it is CHRIST & CHRIST ALONE, the HOPE of GLORY that "I" MUST PRAY, GOD GIVE ME GRACE to CO-WORK in CHRIST WITH, as the PROPHETS & APOSTLES & REFORMERS ALSO WORKED through the AGES of TIME. IF the CHURCH CONFERENCE GOES OFF the RAILS for a TIME, I DO NOT want to FOLLOW a MULTITUDE to DO EVIL. NO, I MUST NOT FOLLOW a 'MAN' or MEN to DO EVIL, but CHRIST & the TRUTH as FOUND in JESUS & HIS TRUE SAINTS.AMEN. MAY GOD BLESS & SAVE is my PRAYER.🙏🙏🙏
Come brother. Please read the Bible. I also encourage you to read Ellen G White books especially. Desire of age, steps to Christ, great controversy....... you will be amazed.
I thank God that I met him in a Sunday church before becoming an Adventist. I did not get doctrine but I got Jesus. I am happy that I have doctrine now. The devil is happy and successful if we have only one (spirit or truth). He does not matter which one. We must worship God in Spirit and truth. we cannot have spirit without truth since the spirit is the spirit of truth and leads us to truth. If we have truth and no spirit this is dangerous. We will be life a Christian version of the taliban.
@wg6338 : your comment is The most ignorant comment on this video . What does “Bro” and “Dude” have anything to do with the topic . If these friends choose to refer to each other with such terms , what is wrong with this ??? Ignorant and ridiculous comment
@wg6338 : your comment is The most ignorant comment on this video . What does “Bro” and “Dude” have anything to do with the topic . If these friends choose to refer to each other with such terms , what is wrong with this ??? Ignorant and ridiculous comment. Yes, some of us need more prayers
@@PeaceUnMe7687That’s a typical SDA dodging technique-find fault instead of sincerely considering the truth. SDAs are brainwashed. I know it from being a member for over 30 years.
Eph. 2:8, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God." No one is saved by preaching or listening to sermons about the mark of the beast.
JESUS PREACHED MATT 11.28 -30 "COME UNTO ME" is JUSTIFICATION by FAITH ...COME just as YOU ARE. BUT then JESUS SECOND REMEDIAL STEP is also PREACHED, it is BEAUTIFULLY said "TAKE, MY YOKE UPON YOU & LEARN of ME, MY MEEKNESS & LOWLINESS of HEART & MIND" & YOU shall FIND REST for YOUR SOULS, that is the SANCTIFYING EXPERIENCE that you GROW DAY by DAY in CHRIST.. IT is CALLED REGENERATION or SANCTIFICATION & it HAPPENS by GRACE, through FAITH in the MERITS of the BLOOD of OUR SAVIOUR & LORD. JOHN 6 GET "BREAD that COMES DOWN from HEAVEN" AMEN WHEN YOUR HEART & MIND is AFRAID, TAKE your CARES unto the LORD in SECRET PRAYER ACKNOWLEDGE or OWN your "TEMPTATION S of SATAN, BUT DO NOT STOP @ this point in FEAR & the GUILT trips of the DEVIL, WEEP, BEFORE the ALTER for HIS MERCY & SEEK & PRAY, HUNGERING & THIRSTING for CHRIST'S LIVING "BREAD of HEAVEN". PRAY for CHRIST'S CHARACTER to KERP HIS COMMANDMENTS & YOU WILL find PEACE & REST for YOUR SOUL'S TASTE & SEE by DOING this DAILY & MOMENT by MOMENT & YOU SHALL FIND REST for your SOULS. BRING EVERY THOUGHT into CAPTIVITY to GOD In this Way & YOUR EXPERIENCE will GROW & STRENGTHEN. CLAIM GOD'S BLOOD BROUGHT PROMISES, which are SURE & YOU will GROW like the APOSTLES. At the CROSS, Apostle PETER was AFRAID, but AFTER the CROSS, HE was TRULLY CONVERTED to CHRIST, NO LINGER LOOKING to himself, but WHOLLY TRUSTING In CHRIST & for some years he still had some weaknesses, BUT DID HE FINISH the RACE by FAITH. YES, NOT GIVING UP, but GROWING from STRENGTH to STRENGTH by FAITH, PRAYER & OBEDIENCE, EVEN UNTO DEATH as an EXAMPLE for US TODAY, that OUR "FAITH in CHRIST's BLOOD" FAILS NOT. PRAISE! AMEN. SAVE LORD EVEN to the UTTERMOST. AMEN.
no one is saying that Prophecy isn’t important but this verse came to mind. “If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing” 1 Corinthians 13:1 What will keep people in the time of the end is a deep love for Christ, His truth. Obedience from love, not love from obedience. The Israelites had all the law, but what was missing?
Bring us the portions of the podcast where he was about to talk about The group of men he met in Andrews. My son was in Andrews in class with these two guys. Am anxious to hear what he has to say
You don't have to be like anyone else; just be yourself and be what God wants you to be. If you are a child of God and ask Him to guide you as you study His word- the Bible, He will give you the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth.
So we are here listening to two young confused boys, clearly i can tell these young men are nominal Adventist, just listen to the language, especially from the young men with untied hair in a white t-shirt. Listen to his language.
So in yr own reading.. you are not convinced.. why do you ..depends on some one.. and not the Holy spirit leeading n guidedanc..? Very dangerous.. full of emptiness ... sad..
The TRUE HOLY SPIRIT is ONLY DISCERNED by the10 COMMANDMENT LAWS as JESUS PAID the PRICE for OUR, & the WORLD's, REDEMPTION PRICE, so "IF" NO LAWFUL PRINCIPLES to guide & DISCERN by, NOT the TRUE SPIRIT of GOD!. MERCY 🙏 AMEN.
But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God - having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. 2Tim 1-5
I would have loved to come to the comments and see more love and grace and prayers for these young men who are trying to find their way. This is so damaging why do you feel the need to single out a young person. I see their point just from the comments alone.
All these things will happen but God is Love. God's people will still be there no matter how many people will try to confuse others. Let us read the Bible and allow the Spirit of God to help us understand
They're just realizing that it's the whole gospel,(you must be born again) hopefully they don't throw out what they had previously learned, like prophecy.
This in answer to someone on this thread saying that EGW is the last day prophet. Here’s what the Bible says…. Heb 1:1 Long ago God spoke to our ancestors in many and various ways by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us BY HIS SON whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom he also created the worlds.
Please let us pray for the Holy Spirit to lead them to all truth. Sadly, they are confused. We need to lift Christ higher and make him the focus. Sometimes doctrine is the focus and when this is devoid of Christ (love) it will not hold or convert people. We need to teach the pure doctrines of the bible but not to the exclusion or minimization of Christ. It is Christ who draws and converts. The best defense of the church is to lift Christ up as we teach/preach doctrines. Doctrine without lifting up Christ is only information and will not bring conversion but legalism. Also you cannot have the spirit and not truth. The spirit leads to all truth and will not go against God's word. We must have spirit and truth. The devil is happy and successful if he separates spirit and truth. If we only have one we will be powerless and fail. The enemy is trying to convince the young that they do not need the truth/doctrine but spirit. Sometimes the truth was presented in a harsh and unloving way that turns people off. I implore us to present the truth in a loving way.
GYC is an event for young people who are SERIOUS about their walk with God - or who are longing to have a deeper connection with Jesus. GYC is NOT created for parents and churches to send their young because they love the world. GYC is NOT a substitute for parental, pastoral, or professorial responsibilities to instruct our youth. Too many parents and churches send whole classes of youth to GYC hoping they will get converted. My church did thst very thing 9 years ago and do you know what those young people did? Stay in their rooms the entire time listening to rap music.
Matt.24:4. Deceptions are multiplying rapidly. Matt.24:24. It's only by God's grace that we all will not be deceived. Unless we become truth there is a deception that will get us. Jude 1:24. Perfection is a must but we have to learn to look to God because self cannot achieve it. Heaven help us.🙏
The main thing made him to move away is just a LOVE, but we are teaching love also in our church, we are teaching Grace also, may be he want to be free to do whatever he want in the World. One day he will realise that he made a big mistake. Lets keep praying for hm
God will not be mocked. Math 15:14 "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." Deception is the name of the Era. Please let us pray for one another.
Listening to these men show me that Pastor Chris did not seek God for Who God really is, but seek God out of fear. God is love. Before reading the Bible pray asking for the Holy Sprite to open your eyes to God's love.
Bro Lawrence it's the shaking and all that be shaken will be shaken so while he has left we have just baptized 200 plus souls with Pastor Doug Bachelor's Prophecy Odyssey series so while those of us in the church are playing foolish others are coming in and accepting GOD'S end times message
At 27:38, Chris indicated that Ephesians 3:19 "literally says" that being filled with the fulness of God means that you have the Holy Ghost. When you read the text in KJV, it doesn't say that at all. Ephesians 3:14 - 19 indicate that being rooted and grounded in love, will help us to "comprehend" God's Word and to know the love of Christ. Consider the verse below: Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. God bless and take care....
Pastor Chris is in order, and I resonate with him. I joined the church in 1997 when I just a boy. My joining the church was purely on the basis of fear relating to the mark of the beast and Sunday law. I tried to keep the Sabbath with all my effort. But 7 years down the line, I came across a book entitled " What Shall I do to Inherit Eternal life" by Margaret Davis. Oh my!! I came to know what new birth is, what justification by faith is etc. That book has all EGW quotes on new birth and righteousness by faith. Infact majority of my friends who joined the church out of fear 27 years ago have gone back to the world. Why? Because they did not have a firm foundation. Actually EGW states in one of her books that the 3rd Angel's message is actually righteousness by faith. BEFORE YOU GIVE ME "THE GREAT CONTROVERSY BOOK" GIVE ME STEPS TO CHRIST BOOK. THE PASTOR IS IN ORDER, and spirit of prophecy supports his stance.
Are you still in the church? If yes, why? I guess you found Christ despite the fear. But he has not found Christ, that's why he's left. I dont think you are on the same platform. He may be right somewhere, but not entirely. Pray for him instead of supporting him.
Chris was actually right. Thank you for this video excerpt. Good deed , obedient , the fruit of the spirit is the result of your faith , not the other way around.
JESUS LIFE DEMONSTRATED for US ... SAYS that GOD the FATHER, GOD the SON & GOD the HOLY SPIRIT, ALL three IN ONE PERSON'S "KEEP the COMMANDMENTS" which is JUST & HOLY HEAVENLY LOVE" the BREAD SENT DOWN from HEAVEN.. EARTHLY LOVE, so called is EARTHLY, SENSUAL & DEVILISH & is NOT JUST & therefore NOT TRUE HEAVENLY LOVE at all and is, ONLY BASED on UNRELIABLE, CHANGEABLE FEELINGS, which is BUILT on the SAND, and NOT the ROCK of CALVARY. AMEN. MATT 7:24,25
@@sandrajones9613 I'm not replacing the laws with the worldly plasure. I'm just saying the observent of the law is a result of an internal change from your heart - instead of trying to fix your violation point by point from one law to another - which is a fallacy not to say that it won't save you because it's not the real problem. The real problem is our heart is currupted and we need a new heart so we can follow the law with dilight instead of a burden.
@@freddiecrumb77 Amen! Thanks for sharing the Gospel on this SDA forum. Its something that slipped my mind when I was caught up in SDAsm, before the Holy Spirit removed the scales when He led me to put away my then favorite author (EGW) and study the Bible without her.
@freddecrumb77 yes and we should learn that we should keep the commandments because we acknowledge that Jesus saved us so keeping the commandments shouldn't be a burden to us but just be within us
3 angels message is our message, which God's love is part of. Pr Chris is preaching love reality...once love, once saved. This is false doctrine in which we do dot preach. It's good he is removed.
I am confused, we are not to share the love of Jesus that changes our hearts to follow Him? Please explain, bro…I’m serious! I’m very confused, and I didn’t hear him say he left the church. 🌹
We definitely should share the gospel and the love of Jesus but we should also not neglect to study and share the gift of prophecy in Daniel and Revelation which warns us of what to be wary of in the last days before Christ’s return. The Bible makes it clear that satan’s ultimate deception will happen in earths closing hours and many will be deceived into accepting the mark of the beast. He seems to reject this truth. To share the love of Christ and his sacrifice made for our sins without warning of the dangers to come falls short of what Christ expects from us. If you know your neighbors house is going to burn down, telling them you love them without warning them of the impending doom…is that truly love? I assume there is probably a longer video or maybe an announcement made of him stepping down in his particular church conference.
Here is my take after watching this, and a friend of mine had sent this full video and asked me." What is the gospel? " My response was and is... The Gospel is NOT a What, but WHO.... Christ is the Gospel. Worshipping love and calling human love a reality is missing 💔 Christ who is reality. Christ is reality, not love. GOD IS LOVE, NOT THE OTHER WAY
1 Tim. 4:12-13 says, Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, conduct, love, faith, and purity. Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, preaching, and teaching. Just because a Pastor is “Young” does mean he will make the same decision as the one in the video. It's UNWISE to conclude after the negatives you’ve heard.” Have you considered your spiritual standing before the Lord? Age is not a measure of maturity; experience is. Spiritual maturity doesn't come with age; it happens when one devout himself to the WORD and applies what it desires for us to do in harmony with His will. There are older adults in the church who don't seem to grow an inch in their spiritual walk with God and are judgmental towards the struggles of others instead of prayerfully mentoring them to continue in their spiritual walk with God.
“ In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation-in Him when you believed-were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit. He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.”(Ephesians 1:13,14) Where in this verse is the Sabbath mentioned?
“And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.” 2 Corinthians 1:21-22 this loyalty is an outpouring of relationship with the Lord, His work in us, not our works.
I was baptized 40 plus years. I have never heard of microchip or seen any video about it in any crusade or in church. The Gospel of Jesus Christ and Biblical Santification is only what was and is preached. I am from Grenada in the Caribbean. I have had my problems, but I worked them out with God through prayer. I always had my own mind and defended myself by filtering opinions. The most important thing is being converted in Christ. Some people walked different pathways before they experience self realization, and confront Jesus Christ for themselves. Then they realize that they are nothing and they need God. There is truly a difference between knowing religion and knowing Jesus. There is no need to resign. This now the time to preach transparently according to the Holy Spirit. That is the calling that God wants. That does not come just so. Remember, Growth is individual. Many have passed that point of conversion. Prophecy is vital to the world, but lifestle we must live. We must not continue to live in suprise mode.
Bro. Lawrence, you're right he obviously is teaching the doctrine of LOVE REALITY ideology. It's better if personally call the New Jersey conference regarding your concern. Pastor Chris is not a good example to young people.
For all that is in the world, the lust (not love) of the flesh, and the lust (not love) of the eyes, and the pride (vanity) of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. {1 John 2:16} Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole *duty* of man. {The Preacher 12:13}
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, *as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty* {James 2:11-12}
Poor kid, he seems to have bought into the popular narrative of the day and ignored the biblical narrative. Does the host also buy into it as well? One unadulterated truth should be presented due to all of the chaotic contaminated ideas that are being pushed.
He became everything that SDA preaches against. But he was having his personal struggles due to misunderstandings. The Devil his weakness. I agree with The love Chapter but prophecy is a key pillow of Adventistism. It is why we are here as a congregation. Our grasp on biblical prophecy is second to none. There is a reason Daniel and Revelation is not preached of in other churches, they lack the knowledge. But take note of how understanding these books aid in our preparation as a people. Yes we also need love, but we also need to witness, need to follow the commandments, love our neighbour, have a good prayer life etc etc all of which constitutes christianity. There are many aspects to this but never think prophecy is not important. Our knowledge and teachings of prophesy separate us from the others. One is blind without prophecy.
32:06 “this pastor was hyper focused on the gospel and the love thing” this is the critisism? 😅 I’m so sorry but that’s the core of the Good news. Present truth has prophecy at its core with Jesus and what He’s done for us as a complementary piece.. young and old please read God’s word.. I’d encourage anyone to listen to this whole testimony. It’s so powerful and rich and filled with Scripture on how the Grace of God compels us to change and makes us godly. The gospel is the most glorious thing ever.
For God so loved the world... I don't know this pastor's story but I disagree with your assessment. If we obey the rules because we fear the consequences, we will not be with Jesus in His kingdom. He will tell us "I never knew you". God wants an intimate relationship with us. Intimate like a husband with his wife. Obeying God is important for sure, so is getting ready for Jesus' coming but knowing Him, loving Him has to come first. Then when we hear of time of the end -time things, we are ready to listen and obey. I heard of a pastor preaching on the love of Jesus. The people said it was a good sermon. The pastor preached the same sermon the next week. He preached it the 3rd week and people asked him when he was going to preach something different. He said when they really heard it and responded with changed lives. Nearing 70, I was like this pastor, frightened out of my witts by 'end times sermons' when I was younger. I wish people had shared the love of Jesus FIRST and then the rest would have come into place. No, this pastor is not wrong on this point. I know nothing about him except what you showed, but he is not wrong here. Love of Jesus first, then last day stuff after.
The story you mentioned is the sermons on John 3:16. The good news about Jesus Christ second coming is the blessed hope. The end time events that sound scary are good news to God's faithful children. It is scary to those who do no love him.
It sad to see that some ministerial students who opted to become the Minister was basing their decision from fear. This Chris clearly used the word " scary" and " crazy" as he was sharing his story. By the way, CAN THE SDA COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES ONLY TAKE CANDIDATES WHO ARE MATURED AND SERVED IN THE CHURCH AS LAYMEN AFTER NUMBER OF YEARS AND RUNS EVENGELISTIC MEETINGS FIRST FROM WITHIN THEIR CONFERENCE BEFORE ENROLLED IN THE MINISTERIAL COURSE?
Video about love reality: Is this a danger to all SDA's?
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They are only a danger to those who want their ears tickled with false doctrines.
It’s your golden calf idol day. Idolators go to eternal hell.
Present truth is a lie. You are a liar.
When Des Ford threatened the authority of daughter of the Devil Ellen White by revealing that the foundational doctrine of the Adventist demonic cult is blasphemous heresy, hundreds of Adventist pastors followed Ford and began to preach the genuine gospel given to the apostles. They were all fired. Chris says some questionable things but he’s on a journey exploring the real gospel message of Jesus. Of course you think he is a threat. You are a deluded demonic cultist with a different message than the message given to Paul, personally, by Jesus of Nazareth. You are a blasphemous heretic going to eternal hell. Get ready.
Hey, baby man, who speaks like a toddler, your video doesn’t include anything about the Adventist demonic cult pastor resigning
The mark of the beast is not a micro chip. It is about worship and the choice of Sunday worship or Sabbath worship. Each of us will make a choice. I will choose Saturday Sabbath.
The bible talks about a mark in you hand or forehead it must be visible
@@CH-ud4eeRead what the Bible says.
@CH-ud4ee it's not visible it's about worship.
@@CH-ud4eeHands means works or actions
Forehead means thoughts and decision making
Newsflash . Ppl that worship on Sunday as far as they know they are worshipping on a sabbath. So there will be no such choice in that kind of recognizable fact . It will boils down only to whether you are loyal to God or friends and tradition .
It sounds to me that this man has always been confused about his walk with Jesus. He's too young to be a pastor in my opinion. Just because you graduated from seminary school does not make you a pastor. This is the problem with our church, it just cranks out as many pastors as it can. Not to mention what they are teaching at our Adventist Universities is not 100% Biblical. I've heard many stories of the things going on in Adventist colleges and they're not very Christian like. If he can be so influenced by one person after the other than he is just weak in his faith. Also it sounds like he was lead astray from the beginning, believing that the mark of the beast was some microchip. This has never been a belief in the Adventist Church. I pray he sees the light once again and returns to the remnant Church.
That is one of my wonder now here in the Philippines there are newly baptized and went to seminary after school easily absorb by the mission compared to born Adventist some are 2 nd or 3rd generation who are hanging there applications.
I feel the same. We had a young new pastor at our church and from the moment I met him I said "this isn't right" turns out he's gay.
A pastor needs to be able to lead and have life experience but these days it's not the case.
Watch out, Looks like Phillipines is in danger, we had a phillipino missionary doctor who terrorised our mission station in Africa with his gay activities. He was sent back home by ye conference
Perfect.
Paul was a S.D, A.
Sad to watch this, folks are being deceived for lack of knowledge, not even lack of knowledge anymore its rejection of knowledge.
Bingo. We all need prayer.
There are some teachings of our church that , when you actually read the Bible, you can't maintain anymore , for example, the idea of Jesus only entering the Holy of Holies just in 1844 , but when you read Hebrews you can clearly see that Jesus already entered the Holy of Holies a long time ago once and for all.
@@melodygn Indeed Jesus sacrifice was done once and for all at the cross, However what he is doing in Heaven for us is intercession not dying again and that's what the prophecy foretold, Jesus entering the Holy of Holies is biblical based on Daniel 8, let's dig deep into scriptures cause this kind of small things are the ones that will cause shaking in the church.
@@diugach1141 challenge for you: read the book of Hebrews from start to finish in one sitting.
@@diugach1141 this is not a small thing, either you believe in the author of Hebrews or not. You either believe Jesus entered the Holy of Holies long time ago, just once, or He just entered on 1844, the whole premise of the SDA church falls apart with Hebrews.
Feelings VS FAITH
Many people will be lost flying after fluttery feelings of supposed spiritual ecstasy. STAY WITH THE WORD feeling or no feeling. Anchor yourself to the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. Refuse to turn to the left or to the right. Stay on the NARROW ROAD specified in the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. Feelings are not a safe guide. Many will leave the truth following feelings and emotions. We will walk by faith and not by feelings. Amen.
For real
Stay on the narrow way and the spirit of prophecy? I don't see this quote exactly in the Bible. It's the narrow road alone which is Christ alone.
Mens hearts failing them for fear of whats coming on the earth.
Shaking is upon us
When you're afraid and not holding on to the Rock, Jesus Christ; you will be afraid, Satan is working hard he likes the fear that these young men are talking about. God is a God of peace and not confusion. 1 Cor. 14:33
No SDA believes the microchip is the mark of the beast.
No SDA that ACTUALLY understands and knows what they believe in believe the mark of the beast is a microchip. Unfortunately there are so many who go to church every sabbath and don't know what they believe in
That is not correct. You can checkout the Church's website,
And does not support your claim. Stop misleading other. 😊
@@olextamani8669 can you give a reference?
Exactly, maybe his introduction through his family and the church he .May have attended . Adventist have never taught this
This is truly misinformation that thry are giving. SDA'S d9nt teach that and the churches that do is in error.
This pastor Chris really need prayers.💕🙏🏻
He is preaching trhuth and error.
If one do not really understand the Bible,
Then one can be in real spiritual danger, this is very very very dangerous...
Please share exactly what he said that you are describing as error.
What I observe is that he read the literal words of the bible and the words of the bible without consulting the spirit of prophecy to get an explanation of what the texts means are clearly saying something different from what the church teaches.
So please, for my knowledge, share exactly what he said that is an error and what is truth? Thank you.
Yes, pray for him because he's very confused.
Come to the topic
I have not heard the whole position of the pastor, nor what other issues are going on, but his focus of lifting up Christ as the center and circumference of the gospel and knowing the unfathomless love of Christ cannot be placed aside, for it’s the very core of salvation history.
Amen! 🙏🏽
He is not a mature sda. He transfers his faith from Catholic to sda for the sake of his family and not based on understanding.
Prophesy is important if you allow the love of Christ to lead you. The present truth is beautiful and all about Jesus when studied in sincerely and in prayer.
Ps Chris is correct about preaching love. Stop preaching fear SDA.
It's really sad to see some people who claim to be Christian,are so easily deceived,but we are in the last days and also in the shaking
Yep... Most SDAs took the jab because of the general conference. I resigned from my job and went travelling in my caravan instead.
Without God’s love transforming us we are lost
Bro Lawerence, I thot I would hear this pastor state in his own words why he left the ministry. But I did not. I didn't even hear him say he left pastoring. Did I miss something?
It’s been made public on social media websites where that pastor stands and why he resigned.
@@lishanymarie4134 send us the link
The problem I see is that these conferences hire and ordain pastors entirely too quickly. This idea that the youth should lead in the church looks like this. They don't even understand life. Some of these youth need therapy, not a ministry position.
The wolf is dressed in sheep's clothing. Study for yourself
It's ok for him to leave. Don't just become critical towards the church otherwise he will be accountable to God.
I agree that there is something wrong with the Adventist seminary. Too focus on theology and when they graduate they have no clear understanding of the gospel.
We must study the Bible with prayer. The mark of the beast is not a micro chip. The great controversy between Jesus Christ and Satan is over worship. It's about the decision one makes. It's all about the choice that we make. Paul admonished us to study to know what the truth is. John 8:32. You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. We must be vigilant
To be an adventist takes courage. It is not for people who are afraid. Just like when Daniel and the three Hebrew boys stand for truth. I pray God keep him
This was sad to watch... at the core of every true connection with Christ there has to be death to self. God's entire message from Genesis to Revelation is about love, repentance, prophecy and His laws. No matter the person, organization or conference, at the end of the day The Word of God is the truth. Let us look to what He has provided for us in ALL scripture as a guide, and not only what folks or an organization has to say. Study the Bible, ask for the Holy Spirit's guiding and put aside feelings.
Perfect!
This young man was not ready for the ministry. I cannot with good reason watch to end. Thank you for sharing
Yet the Present Truth church ordained him to that position.
@@sharingmatters5847 Nothing was said about his academic preparation for Ministry. In the SDA Church, seminary training is gradate education. Could it be that he was admitted for Seminary work without former, academic pastoral preparation? I am aware of cases where that has been done. Perhaps this is an example of why that might not be such a good idea. However, to be completely fair, the fact that I didn't hear him talk about his college concentration and/or experience(s) is, by NO means, evidence that he was not an undergrad Religion/Theology major. [As it's said: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.] With all of that noted, there's enough in his story of early family life experiences--and orientation--to trigger the proverbial red flags in the hiring (or employment) context.
Fear is from the Devil! This amplifies the need for loving our way to Christ!
LOVE = HEAVEN BOUND
FEAR= HELL BOUND
Some are even going to Therapy because of the claim of being traumatized as a SDA. The Bible teaches that men's heart would be failing them for fear.😢
They call it spiritual;or religious trauma. Wait until the plagues start falling!! No therapy for that!;
If all Adventists should read Ephesians, Romans and Galatians, we will understand the Gosple of Jesus Christ.
In the 1888 GC seesion, the Church rejected the Gosple that A.T Jones and waggoner with the support of E.G. White gave. From that time, many people like Desmond Ford also amplified it. Today, we are still amplifying it.
We are all Adventists and love the Church. But our understanding of certain Bible facts is terrible.
Yes
17:30 but he eventually gets to the heart of the issue and that was himself and not the denomination. Which is always the case, it doesn't matter what denomination you go to, or what religion...
I believe misinformation, misinterpretation of the Bible could be a downhill slope. The Bible says that there will come a day when people persecute us and think that they’re doing the Lords will. John 16:2.
The law really cannot save you. The law act as a mirror.
These two young men have simply been born again & have accepted the gospel of grace under the New Covenant. No issue there. May God continue to work in their young lives to bring others to Christ.
I agree with you. There's absolutely no issue here
Amen 🙏
Because of one video that he was shown he leaves the church, even when we as a whole do not teach this so you leave the church is just to form your own church Leave the church start your own religion that’s the new religion thing people it’s not the church it’s not the pastor it’s not the GC, it’s me o Lord standing in the need of prayer, man is subject to failure, mistakes, but the truth it’s self will set you free, BELIEVE IT OR NOT,🙏🙏🌅 I lift my brother and so many like him up in prayer that’s all we can do🙏🙏
Amen!! We shall know the truth and the truth will may us free. Jesus answered, '' I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through me." When the spirit of truth is come, he will lead into all truth.
This young man never really understood/knew truth. He had some mental strongholds. Also, we cannot just rest on the information we are taught but must know God and his truth personally. My prayer is that God will personally reveal truth to him.
🙏🙏🙏
@@anng7514and you won't find the full truth in the SDA church.
Where there is fear there is no God. When we are children of God we do not need to worry. Focus on building a relationship with God thats the most important. Yet, signs of the time is everywhere. I pray for you Pastor Chris. I know that God works with us and desires all to be saved.
We need first n foremost the love of Christ to save n keep us saving us,. However, after being saved n by love we obey God n living according to His will.
Christian maturity is humble, open to God's leading. Both of these gentlemen need prayer. Turn your hearts and eyes upon jesus. I'm praying for them and their humble growth and love for Jesus. We can't look at other people.
God is love and He does not want us to live in a world full of trouble. When this world was first created God said "It was very good." So Jesus came as a baby then grew up went to the cross to save us from sin. Jesus is coming back, therefore, THE END TIME has to preach so people will get ready for His return.
Who are those people who don't get it??????????
Love the fulfilment of the law Romans 13:8-10 is a reflection of the gospel found in Matt 22:37-40 and John 14:15
End time and Jesus' second coming is the greatest joy because we are going to live eternally with Jesus in perfect world without suffering and death.
I didn’t finish that bs podcast. (Sorry for my word) These kids are simply confused and they think that they smart enough without digging the deeper ‘truth’ I mean the deeper knowledge of the Bible. 🤷🏻♀️
Sadly they are confused. I believe the church does not do a great job of presenting the message in a balanced way in many cases. We get doctrines at crusades devoid/divorced of Christ. Christ has to be the center of the message. The doctrine cannot stand alone because we are not saved by doctrines but Christ. We need to know the doctrine but Christ is the one we should know above all. Seventh Day Adventist should be the most loving Christians in the world. There is a lot of misunderstanding of the doctrines because they are not properly presented in many cases which can lead to extremism or legalism.
He wasted his time in University. Just talking about microchip shows how immature he is.His lecturers in the University needs to be investigated. It must be that they led him astray.
Totally agree with you.
Just what went through my mind, they both look and sound very shallow minded and confused, their interview is not convincing at all.
Very sad 😢
Two confused young men lacking discernment.
I pray they find their way 🙏🙏
On another note, this just confirms my wariness and suspicion of the Christian quality of education offered by the university he attended.
@@anng7514DOCTRINE & CHRIST RIGHTLY UNDERSTOOD & PRACTICED is ALL "ONE in CHRIST" & the SAME. I CANNOT SEPERATE THEM as MANY seem to DO. I WAS BAPTISED into CHRIST ONLY. PRAISE, THANKS. IT Was my BAPTISIMAL REQUEST & it WASN'T until AFTER my BAPTISM that I REALIZED I was MADE a MEMBER of the SDA CHURCH, which MEMBERSHIP to ME is HID with CHRIST IN GOD as the SCRIPTURES PUTS IT. I LEAVE THAT in HIS HANDS, BEFORE SDA MEMBERSHIP WAS, CHRIST WAS, BEFORE 1863 from 1844 to 1863 when the SDA CHURCH ORGANIZATION was not ESTABLISHED, FOR the GOSPEL' PURPOSES, the GOSPEL WAS.. SO WITH or WITHOUT SDA MEMBERSHIP it is CHRIST & CHRIST ALONE, the HOPE of GLORY that "I" MUST PRAY, GOD GIVE ME GRACE to CO-WORK in CHRIST WITH, as the PROPHETS & APOSTLES & REFORMERS ALSO WORKED through the AGES of TIME. IF the CHURCH CONFERENCE GOES OFF the RAILS for a TIME, I DO NOT want to FOLLOW a MULTITUDE to DO EVIL. NO, I MUST NOT FOLLOW a 'MAN' or MEN to DO EVIL, but CHRIST & the TRUTH as FOUND in JESUS & HIS TRUE SAINTS.AMEN.
MAY GOD BLESS & SAVE is my PRAYER.🙏🙏🙏
The law(10 com)is our tutor that lead us to Christ,our saver.
Thank God I was a Sunday worshipper for over fifty years, and it's only in 2029, I became a Sabbath Keeper.
Come brother. Please read the Bible. I also encourage you to read Ellen G White books especially. Desire of age, steps to Christ, great controversy....... you will be amazed.
2029?🤨🤔
We are still 2024!!!!
@@SucuSucu68 typo error? 🤣😂
I thank God that I met him in a Sunday church before becoming an Adventist. I did not get doctrine but I got Jesus. I am happy that I have doctrine now. The devil is happy and successful if we have only one (spirit or truth). He does not matter which one. We must worship God in Spirit and truth. we cannot have spirit without truth since the spirit is the spirit of truth and leads us to truth. If we have truth and no spirit this is dangerous. We will be life a Christian version of the taliban.
@@anng7514amen
The fact that they use Bro and Dude when referring to each other should tell you a lot. Let’s pray for them
Exactly my thoughts
No reverance for God. We must do better.
@wg6338 : your comment is The most ignorant comment on this video . What does “Bro” and “Dude” have anything to do with the topic . If these friends choose to refer to each other with such terms , what is wrong with this ??? Ignorant and ridiculous comment
@wg6338 : your comment is The most ignorant comment on this video . What does “Bro” and “Dude” have anything to do with the topic . If these friends choose to refer to each other with such terms , what is wrong with this ??? Ignorant and ridiculous comment. Yes, some of us need more prayers
@@PeaceUnMe7687That’s a typical SDA dodging technique-find fault instead of sincerely considering the truth. SDAs are brainwashed. I know it from being a member for over 30 years.
Eph. 2:8, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God." No one is saved by preaching or listening to sermons about the mark of the beast.
exactly
Go to your Bible and rip out the book of Revelation, and Daniel, too. You'll feel much better.
JESUS PREACHED MATT 11.28 -30 "COME UNTO ME" is JUSTIFICATION by FAITH ...COME just as YOU ARE. BUT then JESUS SECOND REMEDIAL STEP is also PREACHED, it is BEAUTIFULLY said "TAKE, MY YOKE UPON YOU & LEARN of ME, MY MEEKNESS & LOWLINESS of HEART & MIND" & YOU shall FIND REST for YOUR SOULS, that is the SANCTIFYING EXPERIENCE that you GROW DAY by DAY in CHRIST.. IT is CALLED REGENERATION or SANCTIFICATION & it HAPPENS by GRACE, through FAITH in the MERITS of the BLOOD of OUR SAVIOUR & LORD. JOHN 6 GET "BREAD that COMES DOWN from HEAVEN" AMEN
WHEN YOUR HEART & MIND is AFRAID, TAKE your CARES unto the LORD in SECRET PRAYER ACKNOWLEDGE or OWN your "TEMPTATION S of SATAN, BUT DO NOT STOP @ this point in FEAR & the GUILT trips of the DEVIL, WEEP, BEFORE the ALTER for HIS MERCY & SEEK & PRAY, HUNGERING & THIRSTING for CHRIST'S LIVING "BREAD of HEAVEN". PRAY for CHRIST'S CHARACTER to KERP HIS COMMANDMENTS & YOU WILL find PEACE & REST for YOUR SOUL'S TASTE & SEE by DOING this DAILY & MOMENT by MOMENT & YOU SHALL FIND REST for your SOULS. BRING EVERY THOUGHT into CAPTIVITY to GOD In this Way & YOUR EXPERIENCE will GROW & STRENGTHEN. CLAIM GOD'S BLOOD BROUGHT PROMISES, which are SURE & YOU will GROW like the APOSTLES. At the CROSS, Apostle PETER was AFRAID, but AFTER the CROSS, HE was TRULLY CONVERTED to CHRIST, NO LINGER LOOKING to himself, but WHOLLY TRUSTING In CHRIST & for some years he still had some weaknesses, BUT DID HE FINISH the RACE by FAITH. YES, NOT GIVING UP, but GROWING from STRENGTH to STRENGTH by FAITH, PRAYER & OBEDIENCE, EVEN UNTO DEATH as an EXAMPLE for US TODAY, that OUR "FAITH in CHRIST's BLOOD" FAILS NOT. PRAISE! AMEN. SAVE LORD EVEN to the UTTERMOST. AMEN.
no one is saying that Prophecy isn’t important but this verse came to mind.
“If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing”
1 Corinthians 13:1
What will keep people in the time of the end is a deep love for Christ, His truth. Obedience from love, not love from obedience. The Israelites had all the law, but what was missing?
Is this a call to discard the teachings of the Bible simply because they sound unloving?
Bring us the portions of the podcast where he was about to talk about The group of men he met in Andrews. My son was in Andrews in class with these two guys. Am anxious to hear what he has to say
To focus on God's love n saved by grace, we are no different from all evangelical churches.
The major teachings of the Bible is centred on LOVE and not on some of the things we have been magnifying.
You don't have to be like anyone else; just be yourself and be what God wants you to be. If you are a child of God and ask Him to guide you as you study His word- the Bible, He will give you the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth.
So we are here listening to two young confused boys, clearly i can tell these young men are nominal Adventist, just listen to the language, especially from the young men with untied hair in a white t-shirt. Listen to his language.
So in yr own reading.. you are not convinced.. why do you ..depends on some one.. and not the Holy spirit leeading n guidedanc..?
Very dangerous.. full of emptiness ... sad..
The TRUE HOLY SPIRIT is ONLY DISCERNED by the10 COMMANDMENT LAWS as JESUS PAID the PRICE for OUR, & the WORLD's, REDEMPTION PRICE, so "IF" NO LAWFUL PRINCIPLES to guide & DISCERN by, NOT the TRUE SPIRIT of GOD!. MERCY 🙏 AMEN.
But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God - having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. 2Tim 1-5
I would have loved to come to the comments and see more love and grace and prayers for these young men who are trying to find their way. This is so damaging why do you feel the need to single out a young person. I see their point just from the comments alone.
All these things will happen but God is Love. God's people will still be there no matter how many people will try to confuse others. Let us read the Bible and allow the Spirit of God to help us understand
They're just realizing that it's the whole gospel,(you must be born again) hopefully they don't throw out what they had previously learned, like prophecy.
This in answer to someone on this thread saying that EGW is the last day prophet. Here’s what the Bible says….
Heb 1:1 Long ago God spoke to our ancestors in many and various ways by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us BY HIS SON whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom he also created the worlds.
Peter .Paul ,John the Revelator had gift of prophecy after Christ's resurrection and ascension .You have not understood Heb 1:1 properly
Please let us pray for the Holy Spirit to lead them to all truth. Sadly, they are confused. We need to lift Christ higher and make him the focus. Sometimes doctrine is the focus and when this is devoid of Christ (love) it will not hold or convert people. We need to teach the pure doctrines of the bible but not to the exclusion or minimization of Christ. It is Christ who draws and converts. The best defense of the church is to lift Christ up as we teach/preach doctrines.
Doctrine without lifting up Christ is only information and will not bring conversion but legalism. Also you cannot have the spirit and not truth. The spirit leads to all truth and will not go against God's word. We must have spirit and truth.
The devil is happy and successful if he separates spirit and truth. If we only have one we will be powerless and fail. The enemy is trying to convince the young that they do not need the truth/doctrine but spirit. Sometimes the truth was presented in a harsh and unloving way that turns people off. I implore us to present the truth in a loving way.
Not even GYC helped this young man! 😢
GYC is an event for young people who are SERIOUS about their walk with God - or who are longing to have a deeper connection with Jesus.
GYC is NOT created for parents and churches to send their young because they love the world. GYC is NOT a substitute for parental, pastoral, or professorial responsibilities to instruct our youth.
Too many parents and churches send whole classes of youth to GYC hoping they will get converted. My church did thst very thing 9 years ago and do you know what those young people did? Stay in their rooms the entire time listening to rap music.
Matt.24:4. Deceptions are multiplying rapidly. Matt.24:24. It's only by God's grace that we all will not be deceived. Unless we become truth there is a deception that will get us. Jude 1:24. Perfection is a must but we have to learn to look to God because self cannot achieve it. Heaven help us.🙏
This is the spirit that is taking over all the churches that are under general conference..
The main thing made him to move away is just a LOVE, but we are teaching love also in our church, we are teaching Grace also, may be he want to be free to do whatever he want in the World.
One day he will realise that he made a big mistake.
Lets keep praying for hm
God will not be mocked.
Math 15:14
"Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."
Deception is the name of the Era. Please let us pray for one another.
Listening to these men show me that Pastor Chris did not seek God for Who God really is, but seek God out of fear. God is love. Before reading the Bible pray asking for the Holy Sprite to open your eyes to God's love.
Daniel and Revelation, truth is truth. If it's truth why change it. You can't change it.
Amen! God removed the vail from his eyes and freed him from the egw lie🙏🏾
Your programme is rich and relevant.
Yes we must defend the faith 🙏
The End Time MUST be preach so people will seek God before it is too late
Bro Lawrence it's the shaking and all that be shaken will be shaken so while he has left we have just baptized 200 plus souls with Pastor Doug Bachelor's Prophecy Odyssey series so while those of us in the church are playing foolish others are coming in and accepting GOD'S end times message
At 27:38, Chris indicated that Ephesians 3:19 "literally says" that being filled with the fulness of God means that you have the Holy Ghost. When you read the text in KJV, it doesn't say that at all. Ephesians 3:14 - 19 indicate that being rooted and grounded in love, will help us to "comprehend" God's Word and to know the love of Christ. Consider the verse below:
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
God bless and take care....
Pastor Chris is in order, and I resonate with him. I joined the church in 1997 when I just a boy. My joining the church was purely on the basis of fear relating to the mark of the beast and Sunday law. I tried to keep the Sabbath with all my effort. But 7 years down the line, I came across a book entitled " What Shall I do to Inherit Eternal life" by Margaret Davis. Oh my!! I came to know what new birth is, what justification by faith is etc. That book has all EGW quotes on new birth and righteousness by faith. Infact majority of my friends who joined the church out of fear 27 years ago have gone back to the world. Why? Because they did not have a firm foundation. Actually EGW states in one of her books that the 3rd Angel's message is actually righteousness by faith. BEFORE YOU GIVE ME "THE GREAT CONTROVERSY BOOK" GIVE ME STEPS TO CHRIST BOOK. THE PASTOR IS IN ORDER, and spirit of prophecy supports his stance.
Are you still in the church? If yes, why? I guess you found Christ despite the fear. But he has not found Christ, that's why he's left. I dont think you are on the same platform.
He may be right somewhere, but not entirely. Pray for him instead of supporting him.
Chris was actually right. Thank you for this video excerpt. Good deed , obedient , the fruit of the spirit is the result of your faith , not the other way around.
JESUS LIFE DEMONSTRATED for US ... SAYS that GOD the FATHER, GOD the SON & GOD the HOLY SPIRIT, ALL three IN ONE PERSON'S "KEEP the COMMANDMENTS" which is JUST & HOLY HEAVENLY LOVE" the BREAD SENT DOWN from HEAVEN..
EARTHLY LOVE, so called is EARTHLY, SENSUAL & DEVILISH & is NOT JUST & therefore NOT TRUE HEAVENLY LOVE at all and is, ONLY BASED on UNRELIABLE, CHANGEABLE FEELINGS, which is BUILT on the SAND, and NOT the ROCK of CALVARY. AMEN. MATT 7:24,25
@@sandrajones9613 I'm not replacing the laws with the worldly plasure. I'm just saying the observent of the law is a result of an internal change from your heart - instead of trying to fix your violation point by point from one law to another - which is a fallacy not to say that it won't save you because it's not the real problem. The real problem is our heart is currupted and we need a new heart so we can follow the law with dilight instead of a burden.
Amen. Pastor Chris is spot on!
@@freddiecrumb77 Amen! Thanks for sharing the Gospel on this SDA forum. Its something that slipped my mind when I was caught up in SDAsm, before the Holy Spirit removed the scales when He led me to put away my then favorite author (EGW) and study the Bible without her.
@freddecrumb77 yes and we should learn that we should keep the commandments because we acknowledge that Jesus saved us so keeping the commandments shouldn't be a burden to us but just be within us
Adventists do not think the way these guys think. They need our prayers.
For sure, we need to stick to the present truth and defend it. May God Almighty help us all.
I’m so grateful for you BroLawrence.
3 angels message is our message, which God's love is part of. Pr Chris is preaching love reality...once love, once saved. This is false doctrine in which we do dot preach. It's good he is removed.
I am confused, we are not to share the love of Jesus that changes our hearts to follow Him? Please explain, bro…I’m serious! I’m very confused, and I didn’t hear him say he left the church. 🌹
We definitely should share the gospel and the love of Jesus but we should also not neglect to study and share the gift of prophecy in Daniel and Revelation which warns us of what to be wary of in the last days before Christ’s return. The Bible makes it clear that satan’s ultimate deception will happen in earths closing hours and many will be deceived into accepting the mark of the beast. He seems to reject this truth. To share the love of Christ and his sacrifice made for our sins without warning of the dangers to come falls short of what Christ expects from us.
If you know your neighbors house is going to burn down, telling them you love them without warning them of the impending doom…is that truly love?
I assume there is probably a longer video or maybe an announcement made of him stepping down in his particular church conference.
Amen thank you very much
Chris wasn't calling from God ,he needs fasting and prayers, the both of them 😢God have mercy upon us 🙏.
Praise God he resigned
Yes he was indeed influenced by this "love reality" phomonon that is taking over the Adventist church. This is crazy.
All of us need to stop debating,and rely on the holy spirit,let the wheat and the tear grow until the day of harvest
Here is my take after watching this, and a friend of mine had sent this full video and asked me." What is the gospel? "
My response was and is... The Gospel is NOT a What, but WHO.... Christ is the Gospel. Worshipping love and calling human love a reality is missing 💔 Christ who is reality. Christ is reality, not love. GOD IS LOVE, NOT THE OTHER WAY
1 Tim. 4:12-13 says, Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, conduct, love, faith, and purity. Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, preaching, and teaching.
Just because a Pastor is “Young” does mean he will make the same decision as the one in the video. It's UNWISE to conclude after the negatives you’ve heard.” Have you considered your spiritual standing before the Lord? Age is not a measure of maturity; experience is. Spiritual maturity doesn't come with age; it happens when one devout himself to the WORD and applies what it desires for us to do in harmony with His will. There are older adults in the church who don't seem to grow an inch in their spiritual walk with God and are judgmental towards the struggles of others instead of prayerfully mentoring them to continue in their spiritual walk with God.
Pastor Chris resigned from error to embrace the full truth the genuine Gospel in Scripture and not what SDA doctrine teaches.
“ In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation-in Him when you believed-were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit. He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.”(Ephesians 1:13,14)
Where in this verse is the Sabbath mentioned?
The Sabbath is part of the Word of truth!
Are only people who keep the Sabbath sealed?
@@keke7085 God's people are those who are loyal and obedient to Jesus Christ.
“And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.”
2 Corinthians 1:21-22
this loyalty is an outpouring of relationship with the Lord, His work in us, not our works.
@@claryduranmartinezfew said that.
I was baptized 40 plus years. I have never heard of microchip or seen any video about it in any crusade or in church.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ and Biblical Santification is only what was and is preached. I am from Grenada in the Caribbean.
I have had my problems, but I worked them out with God through prayer. I always had my own mind and defended myself by filtering opinions.
The most important thing is being converted in Christ. Some people walked different pathways before they experience self realization, and confront Jesus Christ for themselves. Then they realize that they are nothing and they need God. There is truly a difference between knowing religion and knowing Jesus.
There is no need to resign. This now the time to preach transparently according to the Holy Spirit. That is the calling that God wants. That does not come just so. Remember, Growth is individual. Many have passed that point of conversion. Prophecy is vital to the world, but lifestle we must live. We must not continue to live in suprise mode.
church is not about emotion or feelings is all about truth,
Bro. Lawrence, you're right he obviously is teaching the doctrine of LOVE REALITY ideology. It's better if personally call the New Jersey conference regarding your concern. Pastor Chris is not a good example to young people.
Adventism is in trouble
Deception is real. I have no words for them but only prayers 🙏.
Purely deluded and deceived. No biblical foundation but misguided emotion.
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then *with the mind I myself serve the law of God* but with the flesh the law of sin.
{Romans 7:25}
For all that is in the world, the lust (not love) of the flesh, and the lust (not love) of the eyes, and the pride (vanity) of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
{1 John 2:16}
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole *duty* of man.
{The Preacher 12:13}
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
So speak ye, and so do, *as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty*
{James 2:11-12}
For *this is the love of God* that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
{1 John 5:3}
Poor kid, he seems to have bought into the popular narrative of the day and ignored the biblical narrative. Does the host also buy into it as well? One unadulterated truth should be presented due to all of the chaotic contaminated ideas that are being pushed.
This pastor has heard the truth.
We're can I get the full video?? Loved it
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I don't believe I ever heard him say that God called him to the ministry. If you're not called how can you expect blessings in your ministry?
I can't believe these two were deceived by that guy, Jonathan Leonardo with his 7mins shallow gospel. May God have mercy upon you.
Be like the Bereans, examine the Scriptures daily if the teachings you hear or read is according to the God's word.
Can someone point out what Ps Chris said that's not lining up with Scripture........help me.
He became everything that SDA preaches against.
But he was having his personal struggles due to misunderstandings. The Devil his weakness.
I agree with The love Chapter but prophecy is a key pillow of Adventistism. It is why we are here as a congregation. Our grasp on biblical prophecy is second to none. There is a reason Daniel and Revelation is not preached of in other churches, they lack the knowledge. But take note of how understanding these books aid in our preparation as a people. Yes we also need love, but we also need to witness, need to follow the commandments, love our neighbour, have a good prayer life etc etc all of which constitutes christianity. There are many aspects to this but never think prophecy is not important.
Our knowledge and teachings of prophesy separate us from the others. One is blind without prophecy.
32:06 “this pastor was hyper focused on the gospel and the love thing” this is the critisism? 😅 I’m so sorry but that’s the core of the Good news. Present truth has prophecy at its core with Jesus and what He’s done for us as a complementary piece.. young and old please read God’s word.. I’d encourage anyone to listen to this whole testimony. It’s so powerful and rich and filled with Scripture on how the Grace of God compels us to change and makes us godly. The gospel is the most glorious thing ever.
For God so loved the world... I don't know this pastor's story but I disagree with your assessment. If we obey the rules because we fear the consequences, we will not be with Jesus in His kingdom. He will tell us "I never knew you". God wants an intimate relationship with us. Intimate like a husband with his wife. Obeying God is important for sure, so is getting ready for Jesus' coming but knowing Him, loving Him has to come first.
Then when we hear of time of the end -time things, we are ready to listen and obey.
I heard of a pastor preaching on the love of Jesus. The people said it was a good sermon. The pastor preached the same sermon the next week. He preached it the 3rd week and people asked him when he was going to preach something different. He said when they really heard it and responded with changed lives.
Nearing 70, I was like this pastor, frightened out of my witts by 'end times sermons' when I was younger. I wish people had shared the love of Jesus FIRST and then the rest would have come into place. No, this pastor is not wrong on this point. I know nothing about him except what you showed, but he is not wrong here. Love of Jesus first, then last day stuff after.
The story you mentioned is the sermons on John 3:16. The good news about Jesus Christ second coming is the blessed hope. The end time events that sound scary are good news to God's faithful children. It is scary to those who do no love him.
Someone had to tell him for him to know, that the law doesn't save him ? How come he was a pastor what pastor? Especially in Adventism??
It sad to see that some ministerial students who opted to become the Minister was basing their decision from fear. This Chris clearly used the word " scary" and " crazy" as he was sharing his story. By the way, CAN THE SDA COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES ONLY TAKE CANDIDATES WHO ARE MATURED AND SERVED IN THE CHURCH AS LAYMEN AFTER NUMBER OF YEARS AND RUNS EVENGELISTIC MEETINGS FIRST FROM WITHIN THEIR CONFERENCE BEFORE ENROLLED IN THE MINISTERIAL COURSE?