MLB's Slowest Pitcher Was Completely Unhittable

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  • Blue Jays rookie Mark Eichhorn took the baseball world by storm in 1986 with his unusually slow pitches.
    TH-cam rookie Look, It’s Baseball took the algorithm by storm in 2022 with his unusually bad audio and blurry pictures.
    Was it all a fluke? Will he ever repeat? Find out now!
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  • @marianneichhorn9721
    @marianneichhorn9721 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6305

    Mark says: Thank you so much for taking the time to research my baseball journey! FYI I broke a window the other day with a baseball and my Popeye impersonation is better than ever! Lol

    • @lookitsbaseball8822
      @lookitsbaseball8822  ปีที่แล้ว +1457

      Thank you Mariann for sharing my silly little video with the man himself :)

    • @harleylawdude
      @harleylawdude ปีที่แล้ว +220

      A man’s man and a hero in anyone’s book. Mark knows how to break down a hitter like no one else.

    • @roserodarte5238
      @roserodarte5238 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      A wonderful journey and he set the bar high! Bravo!!

    • @normansilver905
      @normansilver905 ปีที่แล้ว +142

      Give Mark our best and we hope he is doing well.

    • @aaronchapman3
      @aaronchapman3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      🥰

  • @timward276
    @timward276 ปีที่แล้ว +881

    I remember Eichhorn. Someone said "Eichhorn comes up and spends a couple innings throwing 72-mph Frisbees up to the plate, then when Henke comes in it looks like he's throwing 120 miles an hour."

    • @avant-gardemarmalade7605
      @avant-gardemarmalade7605 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      5:00

    • @paulrobertson3079
      @paulrobertson3079 ปีที่แล้ว +94

      Its a actually a great 1-2 punch. Hitters get used to really slow pitching then Henke comes 8n and blasts guys. Total mind fcuk!

    • @JADiaz10
      @JADiaz10 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The perfect setup lol

    • @variouselite
      @variouselite ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Yeah it was the guy whos video you literally just watched. I cant wait for the youtube feature of auto-deleting the "i am 5 and vewy smawt" comments.

    • @dooby1445
      @dooby1445 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@variouselite Maybe try not being so miserable

  • @steve-from-toronto
    @steve-from-toronto ปีที่แล้ว +612

    We sure loved Eich up here. Thanks Marc, for helping the Jays win two World Series in 92 and 93. An all-time great setup guy.

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Those teams were soooooooooo STACKED.

    • @operative2136
      @operative2136 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Heck, I'm not even a big baseball fan but I remember both those championships. Those were some damn good games.

    • @gabrielstafford5174
      @gabrielstafford5174 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      never an all star. most underrated arm in baseball history (Quisenberry deserves a mention too).

    • @HAMBURGER-s1l
      @HAMBURGER-s1l ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you Mark!!!!!!! eh!

    • @strikingmachine2975
      @strikingmachine2975 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      is it legal to pitch like this in 2023?

  • @diaperenthusiast
    @diaperenthusiast ปีที่แล้ว +205

    As a a kid growing up in the Santa Cruz mountains, Mark would come home during winters and give us kids lessons. I'll never forget how nice and humble he was to us 7 year old little leaguers.

    • @Captain_Neckbeard
      @Captain_Neckbeard ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's such a bonus. It's a shame when players like Bonds hate everyone, including fans.

    • @jordanpatience9249
      @jordanpatience9249 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      He is currently the pitching coach at Aptos High school in Santa Cruz county I grew up in Santa Cruz as well and I’ve pitched with Side Arm delivery since I was like 11 cos of guys like Mark Eichorn and Kent Tekuvle

    • @diaperenthusiast
      @diaperenthusiast 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jordanpatience9249 nice! Harvey West 🌞 Summer Ball!

    • @whobroughtdude2231
      @whobroughtdude2231 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nice! Watsonville native here and I grew up going to Eichorns camp too. My cousin is actually his niece and my sister used to baby sit his kid. Always was a cool dude and super nice to us kids.

    • @nofurtherwest3474
      @nofurtherwest3474 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Can you share what he taught you?

  • @YoutubeCommentMachine
    @YoutubeCommentMachine ปีที่แล้ว +333

    I still don’t know why this guy isn’t more famous and why more pitchers aren’t trying to imitate him like they would imitate other star pitchers. Great video

    • @LIONTAMER3D
      @LIONTAMER3D ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Teams want 1) velocity 2) rpms, that's what they pay for

    • @kurtmooreca
      @kurtmooreca ปีที่แล้ว +63

      because he played on "that team from Canada", same reason Steib doesn't get the credit he deserves in baseball history. (like fact Jack Morris is in the Hall and Dave isn't is a disgrace. They were the same damn pitcher and Steib was probably even slightly better than Morris in terms of WAR)

    • @erichvonmolder9310
      @erichvonmolder9310 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      Did you see his overall record? He fulfilled his niche in 1986 wonderfully, but after that it appears they caught up to him, still providing that niche, but was no Henke.

    • @ajm5007
      @ajm5007 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      The thing is that any major league hitter can LEARN to hit against him . . . and they did, which is why he didn't stay on top for long. But as something you haven't learned how to hit, he's impossible.

    • @erichvonmolder9310
      @erichvonmolder9310 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@ajm5007 , These Pro baseball players are used to the "heat" and not so much with the finesse and control. Greg Maddux threw faster than Eichorn, and was able to maintain the superior finesse and control for many years. I realize that Maddux wasn't a relief pitcher so that changes things.

  • @YoBooBoo
    @YoBooBoo ปีที่แล้ว +685

    This should be made into a movie. It’s the classic underdog story.

    • @Brainjoy01
      @Brainjoy01 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      he even looks like brad pitt in money ball

    • @YoBooBoo
      @YoBooBoo ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Brainjoy01 probably need someone a bit younger unless they increase the CGI budget.

    • @CorbCorbin
      @CorbCorbin ปีที่แล้ว +23

      It is a great story, especially with having to reinvent his delivery, work himself back up, from Triple A, and then ending up pitching in the World Series, on a team with the guy he setup so many times as a rookie.
      Truth is better than fiction. He makes the Wild Thing story, in Major League, seem like an SNL skit.

    • @hxhdfjifzirstc894
      @hxhdfjifzirstc894 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      True, but nowadays they would change him into a black trans in a wheelchair.

    • @sdmoparmaninsd6713
      @sdmoparmaninsd6713 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Seriously, this is a better story than Moneyball without any embellishments

  • @michaels9205
    @michaels9205 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    Another interesting tidbit about Mark is that he coached his son Kevin’s team to a Little League World Series appearance. Kevin later pitched in the minor leagues and was once traded for Armando Galarraga, who famously came one out shy of throwing a perfect game if not for an absurd blown call by ump Jim Joyce.

    • @joemarshall4226
      @joemarshall4226 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Joyce was a good ump, who blew the call that umps blow the most. But it was a great moment the next day when the crowd gave him a standing ovation after he had apologized the night before on tv. The old man in blue broke down in tears.....the Galarraga was a true gentleman about the whole thing. Great sportsmanship.

    • @Ludzig
      @Ludzig ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Baseball is beautiful

    • @davidg1612
      @davidg1612 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@joemarshall4226 I remember watching that game.. Considering the rarity of the situation and how hard it is to achieve, I would not have been as forgiving as Armando was. I would've called for his job.

    • @joemarshall4226
      @joemarshall4226 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@davidg1612 Armando was pretty classy, though, you have to admit

    • @joshlewis575
      @joshlewis575 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      As a lowly tigers fan I'll never forget that random weekday. Armando was so good that game u could tell after the 3rd something special was happening. Then Jackson makes the unbelievable catch in the 9th, then the call. Still don't know how in that moment Joyce went with the runner in that bang bang play. It's a perfecto u gotta give it to the pitcher if u think it was that close. Come to find out he was out by a full step. Still makes me sick to my stomach whenever I see it. So rare, n to lose it that way, disgusting

  • @JesseOrtega-l8u
    @JesseOrtega-l8u ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I played in a league Mark played in. I was not aware of who he was the first time we played. He was tall and threw side arm. An occasional 90mph over the top. No one could really hit anything. Lots of strike outs, foul tips. There was league buzz about him pitching for his Santa Cruz Blue Jays team. I got 2 dead bird hits and a swinging bunt to 3rd on one day. He made it a point to approach me during the game. He said “Hey, those count. They are good hits”. After the game, his wife and kids said good job-Mark likes seeing players still playing. What a great day and just a really great example of human kindness from him and his family.
    Thank you Mark and Eichhorn Family.

    • @pengpang1640
      @pengpang1640 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I saw Eichhorn in Toronto, & what was particularly striking was how the manager would leave him in until hitters got used to him, then bring in Henke who would blow fastballs right by them. It was incredibly effective.

  • @matthewsecord7641
    @matthewsecord7641 ปีที่แล้ว +452

    I knew it was Mark Eichhorn before the spoiler. I remember watching him and remember it stunning the hitters and even the announcers. Lifelong Blue Jay fan and Mark was absolutely a mystery to me when I was a kid...NO ONE did that. I think it shows just how special he was.

    • @grahamstrouse1165
      @grahamstrouse1165 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Eichorn was less (I think) 11 outs away from qualifying for the ERA title in ‘86, which he would have won by a landslide.

    • @SupaL33tKillar
      @SupaL33tKillar ปีที่แล้ว +4

      What are you talking about. His face is in the thumbnail. Of course its about him

    • @DR.DisInfect
      @DR.DisInfect ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Did the title and description give it away 😆

    • @BookClubDisaster
      @BookClubDisaster ปีที่แล้ว

      I did too and no I didn't see his name listed

    • @profo4544
      @profo4544 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      he was good enough to break the meta, albeit whatever that was at that time but there was def still a norm set. Dude took that flipped it. And then putting in someone after him actually throwing 90+ would throw off other teams very bad. Thats a method im suprised isnt used or explored more to this day. Dudes are all about throwing extremely fast, getting injurys, when its been proven a dude throwing 70 was just as effective, and then that makes the closer even more lethal to deal with for the other team. I dont get why nobody really tried this again

  • @xanthippusofcarthage8655
    @xanthippusofcarthage8655 ปีที่แล้ว +162

    I got a hit off of Eichhorn in an adult league game played at Aptos high school back in 2006… then struck me out in 4 pitches the next AB… I think he ended the game with 15 K’s in 7 innings. Oh, and he hit a home run. He was almost unhittable when he wanted to be. I should also mention that he was a really good guy, even though he was on an entirely other level compared to everyone else on the field.

    • @grahamstrouse1165
      @grahamstrouse1165 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Always good to get some perspective on life, isn’t it? 😁

    • @BookClubDisaster
      @BookClubDisaster ปีที่แล้ว +1

      was he still throwing submarine style?

    • @diaperenthusiast
      @diaperenthusiast ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Aptos Mariners Field is still the nicest one in SC county

    • @GrislyAtoms12
      @GrislyAtoms12 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A former MLB player was on an entirely other level compared to everyone else? Go figure. How does that happen?

    • @xanthippusofcarthage8655
      @xanthippusofcarthage8655 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GrislyAtoms12 Nobody likes a pendejo.

  • @nge400
    @nge400 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    EICHHORN WAS FINKLE, FINKLE WAS EICHHORN!

    • @jumpingjacks5558
      @jumpingjacks5558 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      😂😂😂😂😂

    • @mikeschmidt3382
      @mikeschmidt3382 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I was looking for this comment.

    • @PeekaPeep
      @PeekaPeep 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      EICHHORN WAS A MAN!!!! OH MY GOD, EICHHORN A MAN!?!?!?!?::::runs to the🚽🤢🪠🤮:::
      😂👏

  • @jackrangaiah4236
    @jackrangaiah4236 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    that stomp he does right as their about to swing is actually so powerful i cant get enough of it

  • @SchroederN8
    @SchroederN8 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    I was raised by 80s baseball, and although I remember Eichorn from baseball cards, I never knew his story. This is why I love baseball...great video!

    • @yankees29
      @yankees29 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here. Definitely remember his name from collecting

    • @joemarshall4226
      @joemarshall4226 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's a shame he didn't get enough innings to win the ERA crown. I watched it all year, hoping he would have.....he would have destroyed the previous record, and his name would have gone down in history....

    • @someperson8151
      @someperson8151 ปีที่แล้ว

      More important than getting an ERA crown, he lasted enough years in the major league to earn a full pension. An unbelievable feat with the ability he had. Living the good life.

    • @hughdismuke4703
      @hughdismuke4703 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joemarshall4226 Doesn't matter really. If a player can leave some kind of a good mark on baseball? Then he's already won.
      This is especially true with such a middle man. This position doesn't get much glory to begin with.

    • @joemarshall4226
      @joemarshall4226 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hughdismuke4703 Agreed. I'd still love to see his name in the record books. Middle men are more important than closers IMHO. I think it's ridiculous that so many closers are in the Hall of Fame, when they only pitch around a thousand innings in their entire careers. Yet some really excellent starters with three or four times as many innings are left out.

  • @raddastronaut
    @raddastronaut ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I had all those Eichhorn cards. Always loved the Jays. I love 80’s baseball. Thank you!!

    • @loydkline
      @loydkline ปีที่แล้ว

      Free tv era 1980s & before & cable bill TV bill was born

  • @FoolishBaseball
    @FoolishBaseball ปีที่แล้ว +56

    This was an awesome topic. Glad the man himself saw it.

  • @jtjr26
    @jtjr26 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    As a long-time Jays fan, I vaguely remember Eichhorn. I was a kid at the time he played for them and I did not go too deep into the stats back then. Nice to review those memorable few years.

  • @kennethpaquin6692
    @kennethpaquin6692 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Well presented and intriguing story. Props to Mark Eichorn from this Orioles fan. About the same time that Mark was having his remarkable '86 season I was washing out of high school baseball. I wish I could have made adjustments like he did.

  • @orbyfan
    @orbyfan ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The Blue Jays' 1987 season ended with a 1-0 loss to Frank Tanana the next day; if they'd won, the team would have finished the season in a tie, and a playoff would have been necessary. By the way, that game-ending grounder through the legs of Manny Lee in game 161 was actually ruled a hit by the hometown scorer; I was stunned to find that out when I looked up the Retrosheet play-by-play a few years ago.

    • @kevinanderson967
      @kevinanderson967 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My Favorite pitcher Frank Tanana he threw some smoke ⚾️

    • @kramalerav
      @kramalerav ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean a ‘play-in’ game would have been necessary.

    • @BookClubDisaster
      @BookClubDisaster ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kevinanderson967 With the Angels. With the Tigers he threw almost as slow as Eichhorn.

  • @owenparker6651
    @owenparker6651 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Thanks for sharing this story. More fans really need to get this reminder. Those side arm chuckers were something to see at the time!

    • @nonenone7250
      @nonenone7250 ปีที่แล้ว

      K.C. Dann Queseberry now passed away... and Pittsburgh had Kent Tekulve in the 70s/80s...

  • @abrahammorrison6374
    @abrahammorrison6374 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I have a idea for a quirky connection to two of the the most famous World Series home runs.
    Alfredo Griffin was pinch hit for by Mike Davis before Kirk Gibson's walk off home run in 1988. Five years later, the same Griffin was the on deck hitter when Carter's home run walked off the Philadelphia Phillies in 1993. Griffin retired from baseball after Carter's walk off in 1993.
    Dave Stewart was in the Oakland Athletics dugout in 1988 and in the Blue Jays dugout in 1993.
    Dave Stewart and Alfredo Griffin are the only two players to witness Gibson's and Carter's walk off World Series home runs.

    • @rotomwash0355
      @rotomwash0355 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is the kind of information I need in my life. Thank you.

    • @abrahammorrison6374
      @abrahammorrison6374 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I can connect the 1919 Black Sox Scandal to the Griffeys. How?
      Dickie Kerr was the most honest of the 1919 White Sox. He won two of the three Chicago White Sox wins against Cincinnati in the 1919 World Series. After retiring, Kerr was Stan Musial's very first manager for the Daytona Beach Islanders in Class D ball.
      Stan Musial and the Griffeys were born in Donora, Pennsylvania.

    • @rotomwash0355
      @rotomwash0355 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@abrahammorrison6374 ok man you got it. I need to follow your channel. Go make a channel so you can do this stuff for money.

  • @aegisofhonor
    @aegisofhonor ปีที่แล้ว +24

    he deserves the John Bois treatment on Secret Base. They already did a masterpiece breakdown of fellow long time Blue Jay Dave Stieb.

    • @waxknucklebearingjuice5592
      @waxknucklebearingjuice5592 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Give this guy some time , hopefully he gets a little more into some enticing edits and music. Not every sports channel needs to be secret base. I agree though, jon bois sets a high bar.

    • @tallbianca
      @tallbianca ปีที่แล้ว +1

      9:39 LIB actually takes a shot at Dave Stieb lol

  • @A_J502
    @A_J502 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Baseball is so weirdly entertaining in surprising ways.
    As batters got used to Eichhorn (admittedly making batters better), Eichhorn got better at tricking up batters. This elevating the game is rare and always inspiring.

  • @danielsmcgovern
    @danielsmcgovern ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Awesome teenage memories! As a Torontonian in the 80's - I loved watching Mark - the greatest days of baseball!

  • @lucianprescott8357
    @lucianprescott8357 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Excellent video. I’ve always been fascinated by unique players in MLB. Back in the late 60’s the St.Louis Cardinals had a side arm pitcher named Don Dennis. He was a true side arm and performed pretty well.

  • @vgaportauthority9932
    @vgaportauthority9932 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This is hilarious, inspiring and awesome. I don't even watch baseball and I still loved his story.

  • @bostonrailfan2427
    @bostonrailfan2427 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    honestly had not heard his name in 30 years, his story is an inspiration for every player to never give up.
    he had a strong impact on the game and changed hitting for years to come.

  • @jefft9893
    @jefft9893 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When I was in high school around ‘90 I got paired up with Eichorn and another player I didn’t know at Dunedin Country Club when he was down for spring training with the Jays. Nice guy.

  • @jumpingjacks5558
    @jumpingjacks5558 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    It would be nice to see a piece on Mike Flanagan. He was a lefty pitcher who played mostly for the Orioles in the late 70's and early 80s. He was awarded the Cy Young award and he was a slow pitcher but very effective. He passed away by suicide in his home. That was in 2011. Thanks

    • @yankees29
      @yankees29 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I remember having his baseball cards.

    • @michaelalbertson7457
      @michaelalbertson7457 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He was who I thought of when I saw the video title.
      Rather than give up on life, all should know God can save them.

    • @toteispoe4
      @toteispoe4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Makes great horror movies too.

  • @rhesreeves5339
    @rhesreeves5339 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My son and I recently got into pitching because of our interest in physics. We're also fans of comedy. This channel has been instrumental in teaching us the basics, and what the best are able to do with a perfect amount of funny. Combined with understanding strategy more now were gonna be better spots fans. My son made a point both correct and insightful as we both learned together about what these pitchers do. It's the fact that we can do things like this that we dominate the planet. Humans can throw and sweat enough to enable long hunts over herbivores. These guys are among the planets best examples of people who have honed these skills to the point of near superhuman ability. We also appreciate the facts about "understandings" and do's and don't because we're only just getting started. Thanks for the helpful visualizations too. We didn't know what to look for. Keep it up!

  • @harleylawdude
    @harleylawdude ปีที่แล้ว +19

    And how about the Aptos Little League team that Mark coached to the Williamsport World Series!!

  • @kurtmooreca
    @kurtmooreca ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Blue Jays had so many "secrets" back in the 80s. "that team from Canada" never really got the respect it deserved, even through the back 2 back WS wins. Wasn't really until Rogers/Sportsnet began really pushing the team as a bonafide MLB Market. But I digress. I remember growing up watching this guy and along with Steib were my two favorite players on the Jays. Steib > Eichhorn > Henke > Ball Game, it was almost a lock every time. When he was initially moved off the team it was such a gut punch to young me...why would they get rid of him, he is a lock!.
    But then he came back and helped win championships...and life was good and made sense again.
    Great video, its kind of sad players on the Jays never had the exposure they deserved back in the day....but now 30 someodd years later revisiting their stories with my much improved knowledge of the game really drives home just how special they were and how spoiled we were as fans to have such a stable of unique talents like Mark.

  • @hans1783
    @hans1783 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    there's beauty in the low quality edits and just through narration alone...
    I don't even know how this video got onto my recommendation but this was one nice narration voice.

  • @daveturnquist7587
    @daveturnquist7587 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    My oldest son grew late. Very good athlete. I just played with him throwing knuckleballs in the yard. Hee was 5 foot 1 as a freshman and was just unhittable:) Fighter pilot now.

  • @lonnybonani9603
    @lonnybonani9603 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All I got to say is VERY COOL. The journey, the comments, the figure 8 of life. Great videos dude. I love going back in time like this.

  • @DTension
    @DTension ปีที่แล้ว +10

    To be fair, Dave Winfield threw his bat all the time. I loved Mark. I threw sidearm in high school and college. My heroes were Mark, Kent Tekulve and Quiz. In fantasy baseball we called Mark "the Ricky Henderson of pitchers" because he could do it all.

    • @christco120
      @christco120 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      But did he talk about himself in the third person like Ricky?

    • @teen_laqueefa
      @teen_laqueefa ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@christco120 "people ask,'Rickey, why don't you say'me?' "

    • @christco120
      @christco120 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@teen_laqueefa "this is Rickey, calling on behalf of Rickey. Rickey is ready to play baseball"

    • @joemarshall4226
      @joemarshall4226 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was stuck home watching three little kids most nights during those years. I lived near NYC and watched the Mets and Yankees games. There was one stretch where Dave threw his bat at the ball five times over a few weeks...but here's the thing. He HIT the ball every time (what are the odds against that?) He hit it FAIR every time. (What are the odds against that?) He got a base hit on it each time! (That's impossible! Mostly infield singles in the hole between short and third) One of the hits was a DOUBLE! (a bloop single that he hustled into a double). The amazing thing was the commentators didn't make a big deal about it! They didn't realize how many times it had happened, or they didn't realize how rare it was or I don't know what, but I was standing, yelling at my black and whit tv! "I can't believe it!" Maybe it was only four times...but it wasn't three, and he definitely hit a double. It might have been the year he lost the batting crown to Mattingly on the last day fo the season....hit .340 or thereabouts. I think Donnie Baseball went 4 for 5 on the final day....the one year Wade Boggs didn't win it.

    • @DTension
      @DTension ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@joemarshall4226 He really did throw the bat all the time. You also reminded me of the time Boggs sat out the last 4 games to win the batting title and how Mattingly fell just short.

  • @mercster
    @mercster ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Now that's a real man. Makes his own way and wins. Well done Mark!

  • @paulclarke7571
    @paulclarke7571 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I follow little baseball. Your depth and explanation of Eichhorn's prowess and the mark he made in baseball is exceptional. Like I said, I don't watch much baseball and pretty much no very little stats. Your video held my attention for the full 16:45! That alone, should say something.

  • @williamc4221
    @williamc4221 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I always loved watching Jamie Moyer pitch, someone with similar style and velocity to Eichhorn. Major League hitters just struggle so much against this "slow, slower and slowest" strategy.

    • @grahamstrouse1165
      @grahamstrouse1165 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Jamie Moyer won a hella lot of games throwing slow. 🙂

    • @hughdismuke4703
      @hughdismuke4703 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Remember Dave LaRoche with the lob? He struck Gorman Thomas out with it once.

  • @albonthegoat
    @albonthegoat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not sure why the algorithm picked up this vid and started showing this to me and apparently everyone else, but I'm glad it did. 80s and early 90s baseball was magic.

  • @willerwin3201
    @willerwin3201 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I especially like how he follows through on delivery into a "ready" stance, where he's better prepared for the ball than other pitchers thanks to the extra time the ball takes to get there.
    Plus the "he doesn't get tired" aspect of this would allow clubs to spend less money on pitchers in general.
    How did the side-arm pitch not freaking explode after this? It's like Moneyball for pitchers (and I think a submarine pitcher was featured in that book/movie).

  • @jtruej
    @jtruej ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This video represents the best of TH-cam. Excellent work.

  • @rigfordthebarbarian2895
    @rigfordthebarbarian2895 ปีที่แล้ว

    That rant starting at 8:35 almost brought me to tears it was so funny. Good video man.

  • @ThePacolicious
    @ThePacolicious ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Analytics of today would never let this gem come to light. I'd love to watch this in 2023.

  • @2013Arcturus
    @2013Arcturus ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I couldn't give a fuck about baseball, but stories of unusual personal achievement always pull me in. Well made video bro.

  • @psuley1977
    @psuley1977 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Lifelong Jays fan, and huge stan of sidearm/submarine pitchers. Literally had no idea about Eichorn's '86.
    Great stuff

  • @jdmrchem5
    @jdmrchem5 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:03 Mark Eichhorn threw a sweeping slider before even a sweeper became a thing. Sweeper is not a new type of pitch (both some say that it is), but more of a modified slider with more horizontal break. I see sweepers from today's pitchers that have a lot of horizontal break that go over above 80 mph, but their arms are going to bark sooner than later since throwing has a lot of load on the arm if thrown hard with spin. I am impressed that Eichhorn threw that slider that doesn't even hit over 80 mph. I need to find some of the older pitchers that threw sweeping sliders. The older generation players tend to be forgotten by the newer generation baseball fans. Props to you for bringing up Eichhorn. I want to look for more soft-tossers in MLB history. The more recent player that I remember include knuckleballers like Tim Wakefield and R.A. Dickey (this guy can throw 80 mph knuckleballs though). Honestly, I am more fascinated with soft-tossers than high heat pitchers since the soft-tossers are really rare to find in all levels of baseball. When I write my baseball story down the road, my protagonist will be a short, right-handed soft-tosser who performs the absolute best in postseason high school ball.

  • @mobrien11
    @mobrien11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was playing Strat-o-matic Baseball in those days and LOVED the Mark Eichhorn cards from 86 and 87. Those were the days!

  • @billbadson7598
    @billbadson7598 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That description of the pitch being so slow that you had time to analyze your whole life as the ball came towards you was HILARIOUS. Between that and the dude’s mustache and chubby face looking just like Jack Black in Nacho Libre, I just about lost it.

  • @Sacred_Silence
    @Sacred_Silence ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Never knew about this guy until now but what a legend.

  • @MJLake
    @MJLake 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn, my eye for retired Blue Jays is still pretty good, even though I haven't followed them too closely since their glory days. Two seconds into this video I paused and said, "is that... Mark Eichhorn?" 😆
    The '92-93 Blue Jays dominate my sports memories as a kid. Seeing them win back-to-back years has made the last 30 years of sports fandom pale in comparison. In fact, no team I've supported (in any sport) has ever won a championship since.
    Not sure why the algorithm brought me here but I'm happy for it. Thanks for the memories, Mark.

  • @jvandyck87
    @jvandyck87 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Some of these pitches don't actually look all that slow. It's crazy to me that they're low 70s or even high 60s because the time between when it's released and when it crosses the plate feels roughly normal to me on a lot of these. I don't know if it's the old school video quality or the funky arm angle or me just experiencing it differently from other people watching, but it doesn't feel any slower to me than a lot of modern day submariners.

  • @jeffbendoski8364
    @jeffbendoski8364 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The 22-second quote at 3:42 was epic. It was Mike Leach-esque.

  • @bingus1651
    @bingus1651 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love the way he does a sumo pose after every pitch

  • @voiceofREASONS
    @voiceofREASONS ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done 👏🏼 thank you for your work on this. The history of the greatest game ever is priceless. Getting to share it with my 8 year old is priceless.

  • @JeffreyJetsKohut
    @JeffreyJetsKohut ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great story! I have always been fascinated by Mark Eichhorn and his delivery

  • @clanpsi
    @clanpsi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I played softball, my team did something similar. The main pitcher would pitch the first three inning at really fast speeds, I'd relieve from the fourth and pitch more slowly, and then he'd come back in at the end. Totally threw off every team we played.

  • @kelly1743
    @kelly1743 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This guy was phenomenal. I was a kid and he went about 11-1 or something. Throwing sidearm.

  • @loyaldude10
    @loyaldude10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I remember Eichorn throwing junk but didn’t realize his velocity was that slow. He sure was effective as a setup guy

  • @elliotwalton6159
    @elliotwalton6159 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for this. I'd forgotten about Eichhorn. That was a great time, if not a frustrating one, for us Jay fans.

  • @Mage_Nichlas_
    @Mage_Nichlas_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So this is why Toadsworth is almost the best pitcher despite having such a slow throw.

  • @G50-o5w
    @G50-o5w ปีที่แล้ว

    Remember in 1987 he was facing the Yankees in Exhibition Stadium with runners on, and Eichhorn was pitching to a righty batter - think it was Gary Ward, and Eichhorn pulled a pitch that was spiraling outside the lefty batter's box, and Charlie Moore made a lunging stab across his body saving a wild pitch, and the crowd actually stood and gave Moore a standing ovation.

  • @jdp7961
    @jdp7961 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Class act ! Absolute gentleman.

  • @cymaddux3131
    @cymaddux3131 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thank you so much for this, I enjoyed it heartily

  • @NIGHTBREED3R
    @NIGHTBREED3R ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I saw Mark pitch so many times at the EX. Him and Heinke were awesome.

  • @willpgarrett2940
    @willpgarrett2940 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    My Uncle, who will remain nameless because you'd know his MLB career, said Eichhorn was the toughest pitcher to face. Hands Down. His words.

    • @fauxbro1983
      @fauxbro1983 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Please do tell girlfriend

    • @kinocorner976
      @kinocorner976 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You can’t name them cause they don’t exist.

    • @Alex-tm4th
      @Alex-tm4th ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kinocorner976 everyone has an uncle that either almost or did play in the big leagues.

    • @whaheydelee
      @whaheydelee ปีที่แล้ว +4

      My uncle is the King of Denmark.

    • @rocknroll7065
      @rocknroll7065 ปีที่แล้ว

      Always that anonymous famous uncle 😂

  • @josiahblan9400
    @josiahblan9400 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This guys pitching made batters get philosophical mid-pitch.

  • @josephburgess3972
    @josephburgess3972 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love stories like this. I have rarely watched anything baseball related in a long time. It is anomaly stories that grab my attention. Especially, stories on pitchers. It is usually the knuckleballers that catch my eye, but this was neat as well.

  • @Lunageldia
    @Lunageldia ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have no idea what you're talking about but it's almost 1 am and i am completely captivated by this.
    I haven't even watched baseball since I was like, ten.

  • @twofishes8846
    @twofishes8846 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for an excellent expose' on Mark's incredible career... from a die-hard Dodgers fan since the 50s! And what a wonderful fan club Mark retains!

  • @Brhoward31
    @Brhoward31 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    He should be in MLB the show.

  • @ryanbuchanan7551
    @ryanbuchanan7551 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video is so sick. Great job

  • @goodrowwilson5382
    @goodrowwilson5382 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    An elderly guy told me once 25yrs ago. There are many way to the top of the mountain. This video reminds me of that wise man.

  • @salmanel-farsi3744
    @salmanel-farsi3744 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I followed the Blue Jay religiously back then and when I saw or heard (first job I did not have a TV for 3 years and listened to Tom and Jerry on the radio), so when I heard them say Mark Eichorn was coming in as mid-relief for me it was game over we won.

  • @MontTheBeatMaker
    @MontTheBeatMaker ปีที่แล้ว

    Think about layering an instrumental behind your vocals my brother. Fading it in & out in certain parts gives the video a better flow and bounce. I got plenty free ones if you want. Great video man!

  • @DustinPlatt
    @DustinPlatt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dangit. I knew hitter metrics of all time were gonna come up, and i knew my 2 Orioles were gonna be on there. Dang it, it's hard to have been an O's fan since the early 90s.

  • @SPVLaboratories
    @SPVLaboratories ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I grew up watching Tim Wakefield betwixt batters with his 65 mph knuckleballs.
    I found myself maniacally laughing at these MLB hitters getting so frustrated at Eichhorn's frisbee pitches. Great video, great script. Earned yourself a subscriber. Looking forward to what stories you tell next

  • @joezavaglia8543
    @joezavaglia8543 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Watched him pitch at Exhibition Stadium. Or excruciating stadium as we labelled it. He really was special.

  • @LaurieSmith-p9j
    @LaurieSmith-p9j 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember watching him pitch on television.I loved it!Amazing.

  • @OPTIONALWATCH
    @OPTIONALWATCH ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't remember him and I watched baseball from around 77 to 90 until when I graduated highschool then I started watching other sports and settled for "football" soccer. I loved the submarine pitch. I'm thinking that I probably heard briefly of him but can't quite remember. I loved watching the Pirates when Ken Tekulve was on throwing that pitch and also Quisenberry.

  • @jppennypincher9051
    @jppennypincher9051 ปีที่แล้ว

    The one year my fam lived in TO was this year: 86-87 Jays were really fantastic. Saw two games as a youngster. Damn those Minny Twins!

  • @omdguy
    @omdguy ปีที่แล้ว

    I just discovered this and I love it! I know Mark and worked out with him in the early 90's when I was playing minor league ball as we are from the same home town! Great player, and an even better dude! Also one hell of a ping pong player 🙂

  • @215Daniel
    @215Daniel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude, this is a phenomenal video. Excellent work, the passion shines through.

  • @walterrose854
    @walterrose854 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Pitching is a mental game,I speak from experience. Putting the pitch exactly where you want it can turn the best hitters into routine grounders and fly balls. The speed thing is a plus but has no real value to a smart pitcher.Any decent batter can send a fastball out of the park with ease

  • @WillyBluefield
    @WillyBluefield 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A very good narration and a memorable story. Well done, thank you.

  • @NJ-os3rn
    @NJ-os3rn ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video man. Not sure if you upgraded your recording studio/area but it would upgrade the sound quality. Kind criticism as I loved the video!

  • @TacoSmurfz
    @TacoSmurfz ปีที่แล้ว

    That depiction of the change up was amazing.

  • @thequixoticangler3364
    @thequixoticangler3364 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dunno this guy outside the 2 years they were in the series. I remember him being difficult to hit. At that velocity, he's pretty much altering time. The quote about his change up is accurate. It just forces the batter to wait too long. They freak out. Maddux made it famous.

  • @johnsrabe
    @johnsrabe ปีที่แล้ว

    This video spreads so much love. Thank you.

  • @jstodalk
    @jstodalk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    After I saw this video, I checked out Eichhorn's stats on Baseball Reference. I don't think the video mentioned this, but he returned to Toronto and pitched for the Jays in the1992 and 1993 World Series winning teams. His stat line .......4.2 innings pitched.....giving up zero earned runs!. That's the total playoff innings pitched in 1992 and 1993. Why didn't Cito use him more? There has to be a story here too.

  • @timbriggshere
    @timbriggshere ปีที่แล้ว

    This is truly astounding. Loved every minute of this video.

  • @JamesBakos99
    @JamesBakos99 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video I can’t believe I didn’t know this guy. Alll these baseball content creators and no vids. We’ll done u get my sub sir.

    • @lookitsbaseball8822
      @lookitsbaseball8822  ปีที่แล้ว

      thanks for the sub! i have only 2 videos so you didn't miss much lol

  • @JADiaz10
    @JADiaz10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is amazing. I always struggled against slower pitchers vs guys who threw faster. I once had a thought like maybe throwing 70 could be effective against ML hitters since they are so used to 90+. Wow. Just wow.

  • @crazymarkiplierfan
    @crazymarkiplierfan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If more pitchers did this it would add so much variety to the game and cause absolute chaos for hitters

  • @RadagastBrown420
    @RadagastBrown420 ปีที่แล้ว

    I replay the 1986 season with STRAT-O-MATIC baseball all the time.

  • @sportscardsedge
    @sportscardsedge ปีที่แล้ว +1

    BRAVO! This video is so well done, and while I would call myself a baseball fan I DID NOT know this story! You nailed a compelling story with excellent research. I'm also excited to see you got a reply from Mark himself. Congratulations!

  • @tylerpalmer8973
    @tylerpalmer8973 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was such an awesome review of his career! Enjoyed this immensely.

  • @ferdinandramos8112
    @ferdinandramos8112 ปีที่แล้ว

    How this video come out 10 months ago and has most comments from last 2days. Crazy great video

  • @jeremytoms9698
    @jeremytoms9698 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. This is what makes baseball fun. Sad to see its popularity waning... At least here in the Toronto area.

  • @Unspun417
    @Unspun417 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I used to run a weekly program and camps for kids in San Jose in 2003 and asked him to come and run a clinic. He drove two hours and didn’t want money. Nicest guy, super funny, the kids talked about him for months. The MLB could use him now in the era of UCL tears. Also- we tend of think of players like Mark as “not the real athletes.” All I know he made controlling the ball so effortless and smooth, one of the most athletic people I’ve ever watched throw a ball.

  • @atgn70
    @atgn70 ปีที่แล้ว

    Outstanding video here....Personally,I remembered Eichorn as more of a knuckle dragging against the mound type of delivery,though the tape here shows I'm wrong..lol