Man, the character assassination of Henry Wallace was hilarious with the last one. He was effectively hand-selected by FDR for a variety of reasons (the only time he really chose his own VP) because of his ardent progressivism and his support base in rural America. He was far, far more progressive than any other FDR VP, whether it be Truman or Garner, and he was one of the first VPs to really have a role besides the ceremonial duties outlined in the Constitution. He proved to be extremely important in the roles FDR gave him, including being a keystone in the mobilization efforts in the pre-war period. His tour through latin-america in the post-Pearl Harbor period helped convince many South American countries to declare war on the Axis.
Too bad he was a soviet sympathizer and friendly with communist agents who undermined American efforts to aid the ROC and helped hide Soviet atrocities from parts of the government and the general populace. Someone who underestimates and is even friendly with totalitarian genocidal states is not someone worthy of praise. He might of done some good diplomatic work in the fight against Nazi tyranny, but he utterly failed when the world was faced with the Red Menace.
10:02 I recommend looking up “Disney’s America”. It was a concept for an American History themed park next to The Bull Run Battlefield. It would have distinct sections based off of different periods of American History, including a Civil War Fort which would host outdoor re-enactments and a fight between ironclads, An Industrial Revolution factory town with a roller coaster, and a WW2 Airfield with real aircraft and tanks alongside a simulator ride that would take riders on bombing missions.
I would do anything to see what a simulated bombing run brought to you by Disney would be like. Animatronic pilot telling you to drop the white phosphorus on Dresden
So about that Scout Car killing a Tiger: So U.S. Troops were hiding out near the edge of a forest (I believe during the battle of the buldge). Suddenly a lone Tiger drove down the street near the edge. Everybody basically stayed down to not get seen by the Tiger, which worked. After the Tiger passed most of the troops, a Greyhound Scout Car sprung alive and started to catch up to the Tiger, who's crew didn't notice it yet. Then the Greyhound hit the first shell into it's back, at really fucking close range. Tiger noticed it, stopped and started turning it's turret while the 2nd shell hit. Then before the Tiger's turret fully turned, a 3rd shell hit and the Tiger got destroyed. Risky but pretty cheeky tactic
@Michael Burns So I did some reading on it and the way I described it is (mostly) true. However, I found a good article that looks closer at the incident and if it even happened like it is commonly claimed ( tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-greyhound-vs-tiger-st-vith/ ) Apparently it is more likely they destroyed a Panzer IV or a STUG III and simply mistook the shape of it for a Tiger (which many did). But ballistic test say it COULD have happened, but reports are not supporting it
@@williambeck2202 Yes. A greyhound probably took out a German tank in Normandy, but it was probably a Panzer 4 and not a Tiger. That happened quite often.
Peeping Google clearly knew I was looking for this book a few days ago to recommend me this I was looking for a decent summary, particularly for that last story, but this went into far more detail than I even hoped for; even some of those middle stories were more interesting than I was expecting. Thank you for sharing 👍
58:00 they just needed a line about how a photographer took the iconic photo of Douglas MacArthur wading ashore in Virginia after the landing to cement the military removal of Wallace
The Simpson's referenced this when they go to a Civil War reenactment. The one where the union heroically slaughters the enemy at they prayed for mercy.
Zhukov starts World War III because he is sick of Monty. Meanwhile Monty is made Duke of Berlin. Although to be serious that would be interesting to see what would happen. Especially later in the Cold War America and the Soviets might take the British more seriously and British could keep the Suez and reverse de-colonization
Great Video and Thanks; My two cents - Mostly based upon the book "The War between the Generals"; -Marshall is the only 5 star general to have both never served in combat command and not a West Point graduate (and most likely will be the only one). He received the appointment as Supreme commander heavily based upon three factors; 1. FDR loved him and they had an excellent working relationship. 2. Both he and the British Command respected each other (a rarity at the time). 3. He had the ability to keep Nimitz and MacArthur from tearing each others heads off as to who was in command of the Pacific forces. @49:45 Gen Patton is buried in Luxemburg. To date, he is the highest ranking US military soldier to be buried outside of US territory. His request.
Thanks for the Thumbs up! One more "Cliff Claven" trivia from the book: -German High Command (under AH's orders) purposely did not use Ultra for the prep of of Bulge. They resorted to secure telephone and courier communication. This is one of the reasons the Allies were caught by such surprise. In Jan and Feb, after the battle had run it's course, SHEAF HQ started believing that the reason as to why Ultra messages weren't used was that the Germans were on to their little "secret". So, from Jan until the end of the war, Ultra intel was all but excluded from planning. -After the war, they found out the true as to why. OKW was afraid that the Army commanders in the East (who monitored Ultra), who were fighting just to exist day to day, would find out about the plan and the amount of forces being hoarded and just up and quit.
TNO is so much fantazy compared to kiserriech, I'm not saying kiserriech is historical accurate in any way, it's not just TNO is a fuckfast that was written by people who simp over some nazbol retards
I *love* me some good fake footnotes, Petrov Thesaurus knocks proves he’s one of the all time great alt. history authors. I checked the SoundCloud last week cause it felt like we were due for an episode. Higher production values in the video! Looks great guys 👍
I should be learning for my exam tomorrow, but I'm already nearly 2 weeks late to the new Talkernate History episode, so I'll just take a quick 1 hour and 11 minute long break.
Great one guys! Small note; most of that footage from a Bridge too far at Arnhem, wasn't actually shot at Arnhem, since that was already completely rebuilt and looked nothing like it should have for a WWII movie, anymore. So instead it was shot in Deventer, a city further North. There, a similar bridge was and is still in place and the bridge end on the city side looked much as it had in Arnhem during the war.
Might I recommend, for your next podcast, a full Tsouras book, "Disaster at Stalingrad?" If you like his short stories, I can just see you going at a full book of his work.
It would be pretty meta if we made our own short story compilation, and then made an episode about it where we do nothing but complain and say they're too unrealistic.
Fuck yes. I have watched the entire video list several times since the Gods and Generals video. And its on one of the more interesting WW2 videos! You made my day!
The current chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Mark Milley (Army), did not attend West Point. He was commissioned through ROTC at Princeton University.
Hmm, We'll look into it. Spotify may be a good place to post these. In the meantime, the last several videos of ours have a soundcloud link in the description.
@@TalkernateHistory I know they’re not too critical with the content uploaded. I hope all goes well, I had no idea you guys were on SoundCloud. I truly think the podcast would reach so many more people on Spotify as well .
You're right about the logistics. The Germans knew in advance that there would be a big offensive north of Beringen (Belgium) but where not sure if it would go to the east or north. They concluded that based on the Allies not pushing north at Antwerp and block the 15th Army in escaping via Woensdrecht (The Netherlands better known as Holland). Also on intelligence by a Belgian agent with specific information XXX Corps moving east towards the Hasselt area. But the Germans guessed the attack would go eastward to the Ruhr area. So they redirected the only direct available crack unit (German Parachute Regiment 6) 'en route to Woensdrecht'. Which was ' en route' to the 'Woensdrecht Narrows' to block the any Allied advance'. Upon arrival at Tilburg trainstation it was redirected to Beringen instead in an attempt to destroy the Beringen Bridgehead before it fanned out. At that time the shore line at Lillo was defended by a weak Batallion named Theuerkauf. An ad-hoc unit of 200 naval clerks , dockworkers , RAD men and what not. And the Sconce of Ooderen by 40 Flamisch SS Guardsmen. On September 4 the Antwerp Resistance (White Brigade) begged the British troops to go north and at least take the Docks and Merxem bridge, but they were told they had orders to halt. At least Monty could say I liberated Antwerp. But this meant only the City Centre. He was already busy with operation 'Market-Garden'. Therefor the Resistance tried to do it themselves as they knew how vital these docks would become in the future. I put this on this forum as nobody answered for 4 years forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=62443&start=45 Like you said it's all about logistics. And related to the same topic and hardly anybody pays attention to. The Port of Antwerp became fully operational on the same day as the 'Battle of the Bulge' started. Just in the nick of time. Now what most historians overlooked is that FJR.6 with Battle Group Chill were sent to all the hot-spots to stabilize any frontline breach for the Germans. German 1st Parachute Army and 15th Army were constant reminded that as soon as the Canadians would reach the railway dam at the 'Woensdrecht Narrows' Battle Group Chill had to be sent at a moments notice and each Army had to make sure to make arrangements as any delay would have severe consequences for their Commander in Chief and anyone else responsible. All to keep the Port of Antwerp nonoperational as long as possible. During the night of Oct.7 in the midst of a battle, FJR.6 and Kampfgruppe Chill suddenly had to be pulled out. The Canadians were at Ossendrecht and were close to railway dam at Woensdrecht. Op on arrival FJR.6 was deployed almost immediately. It took the Canadians 2 weeks of bitter fighting to overcome the 150 meters / 164 yards to reach the railway dam. The Canadian Black Watch , famous for the Dieppe raid was almost wiped out in 5 hours by a Company of German Parachute Regiment 6 on Friday Oct.13. After the Battle for Woensdrecht on Oct.26 FJR.6 was pushed to the north. On Oct.27 Lt.Col.von der Heydte left is Regiment as he was reassigned to command the last German Para dropping of the war (Operation Stösser- Battle of the Bulge). And what nobody seems to know, is that FJR.6 and Kampfgruppe Chill were actually assigned to sail to the Walcheren-Causeway. FJR.6 minus 3rd Batallion and KG.Chill that would left as rearguard was to sent to the Walcheren-Causeway on Oct.31 from Benedensas. And the rest would keep on fighting as long as they could hold Dinteloord and then follow or if needed join them sooner. On Oct.31 the 2nd Canadian Infantry Div. reached the Walcheren-Causeway. For the Germans all was in place. The boats were safe and standby at the Zijpe refuge Port. First Batallion of FJR.6 and one or two StuGs were already ferried the night before from the St.Philipsland Peninsula to that Port. Third Batallion was still engaged and would follow later. And FJR.6 itself was at Benedensas waiting for dusk to set in to embark. If FJR.6 and Kampfgruppe Chill would pull the same stunt as the did prior, during and after 'Market-Garden' like at Woensdrecht, what could go wrong. Like I said the Port of Antwerp became fully operational on the same day as the 'Battle of the Bulge' started. But on november 26 the Eastern-Scheldt was declared mine free and that's when the Port became actually operational. Now if the Germans had been able to hold on the Walcheren-Causeway for a week or even 2 weeks longer this would have had a tremendous impact on Allied logistics and planning. And on getting sufficiënt supplies and men ashore to cope with the 'Battle of the Bulge' instead of only the use of the remaining Normandy artificial harbor and some minor Ports. As Patton said at the start of the 'Bulge' " We could still lose this war ! ". Well the reason why FJR.6 and Kampfgruppe Chill were never send to the Walcheren-Causeway but to Numansdorp and Dordrecht is this small Dutch Resistance Group. My Granddad was one of them. On Oct.30 just 4 days after the Battle for Woensdrecht they came under indirect Canadian command and were ordered to take and hold the ferry of Oud-Vossemeer until the Canadians would reach the other side at Nieuw-Vossemeer. In doing so entire Island fell in Resistance hands without the Germans even noticing it or paying any attention to it. That would became desasterous the next day. Just 15 minutes before dusk half of the remaining 9.Coy./FJR.6 peddeld relaxed to Oud-Vossemeer and all became victom to an ambush which was the 3rd fight of that Resistance Group. Not only that. Suddenly the Germans realized that it would be impossible to sail in front of WN.402 at Stavenisse unnoticed. Even during the night as the fairway is just yards away of that observation Post which overlooked a large part of the Eastern-Scheldt. Oud-Vossemeer is the area where the Roosevelts decended from. These are the men who fought against a Company of FJR.6 for 6 days behind enemy lines and not 6 hours. th-cam.com/video/Gu6VbpMMvm8/w-d-xo.html After that they served another 130 days on the Western Front line where they had to face raids by the German equivalent of the British Royal Marines Commandos. Still barely armed not able to defend themselves properly, and dressed as civilians being captured which meant torture and execution. After a brief parade on March 14 1945 they were send home never to hear of it again. Most likely the majority never received even the Dutch Resistance Badge as the war ended 2 months later. They just wanted to get on with their lives and forget all about it. And never knew about who these troops actually were. To them they seemed just regular German soldiars. They felt it was their duty to aid the Allied advance as much as possible.
I find your discussion on the D Day beachs interesting because as a child I often went to the beach at Arromanche during the summer and sunbathing with old WW2 remnants around me never seemed strange for me, so I found it strange that you found it strange. Any beach in Normandy has at least a few germans fortifications and you have monuments, museums and military cemeteries everywhere in the area so people who live there are desensitised about it. Also tourism was already a big industry in the D Day landing areas before the war so tourism just continued after the war and now you have even more tourists.
Ah yes, we didn't really explain that. The Berlin Zoo gets bombed and that lion escapes, and then it randomly comes across Martin Bormann in the street.
An idea chaps, you could upload the MP3 files of your discussions on soundcloud and then take your time making the video. I remember another podcast doing this so that they could do a regular schedule.
How to pronounce Bastogne: Good luck. I've also traveled to Belgium and spent a lot of time in Bastogne (including the hospital, long story) ... I've asked many people in Belgium how to pronounce it, I got many answers. There are more than one language spoke in Belgium ... French, Flemish, and in some eastern sections (like St. Vith) - German.
I know you guys are drowning in suggestions but have you thought of an episode on the Kennedy assassination, such as what if he survived, or what if ruby hadn't shot Oswald. Maybe you could also address the conspiracies.
Yes! That's a There's a short story compilation called "Alternate Kennedys". Doing an episode on that would be a good excuse to get deep into JFK assassination stuff.
Suggestions for future Videos: - What if Maria Theresia had to bow to her familys will and married Frederick the Great instead of Franz Stephan von Lothringen. - What if Germany was formed under the German greater Solution (Großdeutschland which included Austria, Czechia, Slovenia and Istria) - What if Germany was formed under Austria as "Großösterreich" - What if Germany invaded Austria Hungary before WW1 - What if Germany went communist after WW1 instead of facist
I understand this is a little bit of snooping, but at 40:14 you can see some Mosfilm videos in the Talkernate History TH-cam account’s recommended. For those uninitiated, they were a movie house set up by the the U.S.S.R. which produced hundreds of Soviet films. Once the state collapsed, no one was around to claim the copyright of a now defunct state-produced media so they simply put the movies up on TH-cam. A decent set of them have full English subtitling. It’s a fine selection, if anyone is interested. It’s good to know our fine podcast hosts are Культурные товарищи.
I know you guys don’t do fan alternate histories but an interesting alternate history idea would be what if the Berlin blockade sparked ww3 a scenario where the allies have an Abundance of nukes with a bearly recovering armies while the soviet haven’t made nukes yet and have a full prepared army
Looking at the screencap at 1:07:21 I skimmed it and didn't realise what GMS stood for. Also I love the 'Alternate Dukakis' cover. I love alternate history, but it makes it really awkward to discuss when authors start taking really reactionary bents and subtly or not so subtly start fawning over the Nazi or the CSA. Like, its one thing to dislike Stalin or even the Soviet Union in general, but some of it is John Birch tier lunacy. This isn't to say you can't enjoy campy althis with a reactionary bent (I sometimes do), but while reading all I can think is "Damn. Homeboy has issues".
I'm curious. And you seem like the people to ask this. What do y'all think WW1 would have been like if Teddy Roosevelt won the presidency instead of Wilson? We would have joined way sooner I'd assume.
The Italian-sounding pronunciation of Bastogne "Baston-ya" is a good reason people reading off foreign names should stick with Anglicization of names for things they aren't familiar with. Your consistent use of -ur for the French eu and German Ö or oe sounds like you did with "Murz" for Meuse are a good example. Will say it does sound really grating to people who actually know how it's pronounced though.
Ok I fully understand why they would honorarily name Monty the Viscount Alamein cuz he led the Royal Army through France...but seriously? His son inherited the title? SURELY they could've given him a different peerage.
The part of Belgium that speaks German is literally a chunk of the old Duchy of Luxembourg from before it was partitioned. Surprised you didn't know Belgium was mostly Flemish though? I guess the French have been the ruling class since Belgium was directly integrated as part of France during French Revolutionary Wars, so it makes sense you wouldn't I guess.
Internet drama: day ruined
New Talkernate History: day saved
Note to self! Never attempt a sycophantic Like....
*The Boys are back in town.*
The possibilities are endless…
Epic.
I understand that TNO reference
@A Garcia Talkernate History ought to do a video about TNO.
Oh, they should. It could be a very long one.
Man, the character assassination of Henry Wallace was hilarious with the last one.
He was effectively hand-selected by FDR for a variety of reasons (the only time he really chose his own VP) because of his ardent progressivism and his support base in rural America. He was far, far more progressive than any other FDR VP, whether it be Truman or Garner, and he was one of the first VPs to really have a role besides the ceremonial duties outlined in the Constitution. He proved to be extremely important in the roles FDR gave him, including being a keystone in the mobilization efforts in the pre-war period. His tour through latin-america in the post-Pearl Harbor period helped convince many South American countries to declare war on the Axis.
Man you really must be butthurt. Never once did I say Truman and Garner were the same thing, Knucklehead McSpazatron.
Too bad he was a soviet sympathizer and friendly with communist agents who undermined American efforts to aid the ROC and helped hide Soviet atrocities from parts of the government and the general populace.
Someone who underestimates and is even friendly with totalitarian genocidal states is not someone worthy of praise. He might of done some good diplomatic work in the fight against Nazi tyranny, but he utterly failed when the world was faced with the Red Menace.
Me *trying to go to bed at a reasonable time*
Talkernate Boys "Babe it's 12 a.m. GMT, time for Alternate History"
Me "Yes honey"
Double same.
I was catching some insomnia at 3 am last night when I stumbled across this.
10:02 I recommend looking up “Disney’s America”. It was a concept for an American History themed park next to The Bull Run Battlefield. It would have distinct sections based off of different periods of American History, including a Civil War Fort which would host outdoor re-enactments and a fight between ironclads, An Industrial Revolution factory town with a roller coaster, and a WW2 Airfield with real aircraft and tanks alongside a simulator ride that would take riders on bombing missions.
Yeah, The Simpson’s jokes about that with that whole Fort Springfield field trip.
I would do anything to see what a simulated bombing run brought to you by Disney would be like. Animatronic pilot telling you to drop the white phosphorus on Dresden
Bennet Episode when? We need an episode dedicated to failed presidential challengers
@@TobeWilsonNetwork I'm a Willy Pete ace. Someone help me.
@@fuzer909 but what about Easy Pete?
Recorded on June 6, doggone. Glad to see ya back
It takes the boys 3 months to edit and upload the video.
Ah I was hoping “Over the Top” would be the next Tsouras collection but hopefully next time. Can’t wait to listen to the rest of this vid
It's sitting on my bedside table right now. I'm very excited to read it.
I've missed you guys so much. You guys are my favourite podcast ever.
So about that Scout Car killing a Tiger:
So U.S. Troops were hiding out near the edge of a forest (I believe during the battle of the buldge). Suddenly a lone Tiger drove down the street near the edge. Everybody basically stayed down to not get seen by the Tiger, which worked. After the Tiger passed most of the troops, a Greyhound Scout Car sprung alive and started to catch up to the Tiger, who's crew didn't notice it yet. Then the Greyhound hit the first shell into it's back, at really fucking close range. Tiger noticed it, stopped and started turning it's turret while the 2nd shell hit. Then before the Tiger's turret fully turned, a 3rd shell hit and the Tiger got destroyed.
Risky but pretty cheeky tactic
@Michael Burns So I did some reading on it and the way I described it is (mostly) true. However, I found a good article that looks closer at the incident and if it even happened like it is commonly claimed ( tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-greyhound-vs-tiger-st-vith/ ) Apparently it is more likely they destroyed a Panzer IV or a STUG III and simply mistook the shape of it for a Tiger (which many did). But ballistic test say it COULD have happened, but reports are not supporting it
@@NoFlu I actually know the guy who wrote that article. Its a good story but probably just a story.
And did anyone ever find out if this was true?
@@williambeck2202 Yes. A greyhound probably took out a German tank in Normandy, but it was probably a Panzer 4 and not a Tiger. That happened quite often.
Peeping Google clearly knew I was looking for this book a few days ago to recommend me this
I was looking for a decent summary, particularly for that last story, but this went into far more detail than I even hoped for; even some of those middle stories were more interesting than I was expecting. Thank you for sharing 👍
58:00 they just needed a line about how a photographer took the iconic photo of Douglas MacArthur wading ashore in Virginia after the landing to cement the military removal of Wallace
You know, there where plans to build a Disney Park at Manassas and they planned to build a mock Civil War fort there.
The Simpson's referenced this when they go to a Civil War reenactment. The one where the union heroically slaughters the enemy at they prayed for mercy.
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez I remember seeing that clip on the internets a while back.
@@historymarshal2704 Its the Dee Nee park. Sorry but there's money to be had here.
Truth is truly stranger than off the cuff jokes.
"Were recording this in June"
*Screams horribly in video editing*
I'd love to see an alternate history where Britain takes Berlin ahead of America and the USSR.
Lol THATS a premise right there. The screaming matches between Monty and, like Zhukov or Rokossovsky write themselves
Zhukov starts World War III because he is sick of Monty. Meanwhile Monty is made Duke of Berlin. Although to be serious that would be interesting to see what would happen. Especially later in the Cold War America and the Soviets might take the British more seriously and British could keep the Suez and reverse de-colonization
Monty should hand it over to the Red Army. No leniency to the cowardly Nazi collaborators and "Good Germans".
@@jamiemcintosh3030 Where is the fun in that? It's more fun to have Monty turn Berlin and Brandenburg into a British colonial protectorate.
Jamie McIntosh Nah it’s his own private property now
It's been way too long since the last talkernate history. Glad to see you guys are back with long one!
So excited to see a new episode, editing is so smooth on this one! Great job!
One of my favorite podcasts, you guys are original and fun to listen to
Great Video and Thanks;
My two cents - Mostly based upon the book "The War between the Generals";
-Marshall is the only 5 star general to have both never served in combat command and not a West Point graduate (and most likely will be the only one). He received the appointment as Supreme commander heavily based upon three factors;
1. FDR loved him and they had an excellent working relationship.
2. Both he and the British Command respected each other (a rarity at the time).
3. He had the ability to keep Nimitz and MacArthur from tearing each others heads off as to who was in command of the Pacific forces.
@49:45 Gen Patton is buried in Luxemburg. To date, he is the highest ranking US military soldier to be buried outside of US territory. His request.
Thanks for the Thumbs up! One more "Cliff Claven" trivia from the book:
-German High Command (under AH's orders) purposely did not use Ultra for the prep of of Bulge. They resorted to secure telephone and courier communication. This is one of the reasons the Allies were caught by such surprise. In Jan and Feb, after the battle had run it's course, SHEAF HQ started believing that the reason as to why Ultra messages weren't used was that the Germans were on to their little "secret". So, from Jan until the end of the war, Ultra intel was all but excluded from planning.
-After the war, they found out the true as to why. OKW was afraid that the Army commanders in the East (who monitored Ultra), who were fighting just to exist day to day, would find out about the plan and the amount of forces being hoarded and just up and quit.
YES! Thank you so much! I got the book last month and was just waiting for you guys to talk about it eventually!
I’d like to add, I got it because you praised the Market Garden story back on that video.
Hands down one of my dearest channels on TH-cam. Can't wait for the next one!
Kinda hope you guys cover The New Order mod for HOI4 one of these days. Good to have you back as usual.
Love the videos! I was blown away by the fact you shot this in June, though I’m willing to wait for these videos. Thought it was really well done.
The Historyreich has returned! This was my first alternate history anthology I ever read.
You guys should talk about TNO: Last Days of Europe.
I remember from the Kaiserreich video that one of you two plays hoi, give TNO a look!
TNO is so much fantazy compared to kiserriech, I'm not saying kiserriech is historical accurate in any way, it's not just TNO is a fuckfast that was written by people who simp over some nazbol retards
I just started to listen to this podcast again and now you posted this!
I *love* me some good fake footnotes, Petrov Thesaurus knocks proves he’s one of the all time great alt. history authors.
I checked the SoundCloud last week cause it felt like we were due for an episode. Higher production values in the video! Looks great guys 👍
Nothing beats getting on TH-cam and finding a new Talkernate History video
I should be learning for my exam tomorrow, but I'm already nearly 2 weeks late to the new Talkernate History episode, so I'll just take a quick 1 hour and 11 minute long break.
Haha! If you watch it at 1.5x speed, it's only a 47 minute break
been a rough week. glad to see this. you guys always make me laugh
I justed found out about your channel today and I’ve been binging it all day JUST for you guys to release a video
:)
I know how the Germans were able to take Antwerp...
*allow me to introduce the ME262*
With the ME262 the germans could win the war
@@thescottishnerd The word being could.
Great one guys! Small note; most of that footage from a Bridge too far at Arnhem, wasn't actually shot at Arnhem, since that was already completely rebuilt and looked nothing like it should have for a WWII movie, anymore. So instead it was shot in Deventer, a city further North. There, a similar bridge was and is still in place and the bridge end on the city side looked much as it had in Arnhem during the war.
I finished listening to this on audible TODAY. I love the bit where Bormann gets eaten by a Lion.
Haha! No way! I listened to it as well! That lion part was spectacular.
Talkernate History this channel is way underappreciated
What, why is he eaten by a lion?
Dabi the animals in the zoo get loose
Dabi IRL Goering had quite a few pet lions, the Berlin Zoo gave the cubs to him and then I think he gave them back whenever they got too big.
man for the amount of time you must put into editing you deserve much more views and subscribers!
Great to see you guys back! You should consider doing the hoi4 mod The New Order:Last Days of Europe as a topic for one of these podcasts.
Good having you guys back! Have you guys thought about making an episode on the new hearts of iron 4 mod"The New Order: Last Days of Europe"?
I swear, I would give a finger if these guys would upload like every 2 months instead
The only thing I'm hyped for anymore this year is 'Alternate Dukakis'
53:25 = Dude! That's Primal Rage! I remember playing that on the Sega Genesis! Thanks for that shout out!
15:01
‘I now declare you, Duke of Texas’
Yes I've been waiting for so long. And yes I know your jobs take time, but it's still nice to see.
Thank you!
Thank you, I’ve been waiting for you guys to cover the BotB for a while so this definitely makes me happy
Might I recommend, for your next podcast, a full Tsouras book, "Disaster at Stalingrad?" If you like his short stories, I can just see you going at a full book of his work.
Ya
When I start to think about "When is the next podcast coming". Few hours later
Really works every time.
I think it would be interesting to get a podcast where you talk about your alternative history stories
It would be pretty meta if we made our own short story compilation, and then made an episode about it where we do nothing but complain and say they're too unrealistic.
Fuck yes. I have watched the entire video list several times since the Gods and Generals video. And its on one of the more interesting WW2 videos! You made my day!
I missed you guys.
I have had a very bad day, but at least you people decided to upload.
I missed you guys o I'm so happy to hear from you again. Hope you're well and fine. Best wishes from Germany. Stay safe
I was having a bad day at work until I saw this pop-up can't wait to watch this.
I dont need sleep I need alternate history.
Gosh I missed you guys good to see you back.
Love your podcast guys. Always glad to hear a new episods
The current chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Mark Milley (Army), did not attend West Point. He was commissioned through ROTC at Princeton University.
Heck ya missed the content glad you guys are back
The return of the best podcast
I was just thinking of this yesterday, glad you're back. Speaking of Tsouras, what is your opinion on Britannia's Fist by him if you've read it?
We haven't, but anything by Tsouras is definitely in the running.
@@TalkernateHistory oh you should, it is so bad it's hilarious. The union has an airship bomber fleet in 1864
I love that one, it was my first book by Tsouras, I still need to get the 3rd book
@@CosplayingHistoryNerd I have to admit it is very entertaining
I want to screw Wallace in the bedroom!
Disney was actually planning on building a park near Gettysburg. It was going to be called Disney's America. Look it up.
I wish you guys uploaded to Spotify so I could listen to this at work 😭😭
Hmm, We'll look into it. Spotify may be a good place to post these. In the meantime, the last several videos of ours have a soundcloud link in the description.
@@TalkernateHistory I know they’re not too critical with the content uploaded. I hope all goes well, I had no idea you guys were on SoundCloud. I truly think the podcast would reach so many more people on Spotify as well .
I really love this channal. Every video brings me joy :)
Thank you! We recorded another one on Sunday, so it should be finished faster than the last one.
@@TalkernateHistory Woho Amazing! :)
THE RETURN OF THE KINGS!!
1:07:18 is the funniest thing I've read all month
I dare you to do a video on Axis Powers: Hetalia as a "history in general".
you sir are a bold one
@@commodoreluigi1596 he is gay
You're right about the logistics.
The Germans knew in advance that there would be a big offensive north of Beringen (Belgium) but where not sure if it would go to the east or north.
They concluded that based on the Allies not pushing north at Antwerp and block the 15th Army in escaping via Woensdrecht (The Netherlands better known as Holland).
Also on intelligence by a Belgian agent with specific information XXX Corps moving east towards the Hasselt area.
But the Germans guessed the attack would go eastward to the Ruhr area.
So they redirected the only direct available crack unit (German Parachute Regiment 6) 'en route to Woensdrecht'.
Which was ' en route' to the 'Woensdrecht Narrows' to block the any Allied advance'.
Upon arrival at Tilburg trainstation it was redirected to Beringen instead in an attempt to destroy the Beringen Bridgehead before it fanned out.
At that time the shore line at Lillo was defended by a weak Batallion named Theuerkauf.
An ad-hoc unit of 200 naval clerks , dockworkers , RAD men and what not.
And the Sconce of Ooderen by 40 Flamisch SS Guardsmen.
On September 4 the Antwerp Resistance (White Brigade) begged the British troops to go north and at least take the Docks and Merxem bridge, but they were told they had orders to halt.
At least Monty could say I liberated Antwerp.
But this meant only the City Centre.
He was already busy with operation 'Market-Garden'.
Therefor the Resistance tried to do it themselves as they knew how vital these docks would become in the future.
I put this on this forum as nobody answered for 4 years
forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=62443&start=45
Like you said it's all about logistics. And related to the same topic and hardly anybody pays attention to.
The Port of Antwerp became fully operational on the same day as the 'Battle of the Bulge' started.
Just in the nick of time.
Now what most historians overlooked is that FJR.6 with Battle Group Chill were sent to all the hot-spots to stabilize any frontline breach for the Germans.
German 1st Parachute Army and 15th Army were constant reminded that as soon as the Canadians would reach the railway dam at the 'Woensdrecht Narrows' Battle Group Chill had to be sent at a moments notice and each Army had to make sure to make arrangements as any delay would have severe consequences for their Commander in Chief and anyone else responsible.
All to keep the Port of Antwerp nonoperational as long as possible.
During the night of Oct.7 in the midst of a battle, FJR.6 and Kampfgruppe Chill suddenly had to be pulled out.
The Canadians were at Ossendrecht and were close to railway dam at Woensdrecht.
Op on arrival FJR.6 was deployed almost immediately.
It took the Canadians 2 weeks of bitter fighting to overcome the 150 meters / 164 yards to reach the railway dam.
The Canadian Black Watch , famous for the Dieppe raid was almost wiped out in 5 hours by a Company of German Parachute Regiment 6 on Friday Oct.13.
After the Battle for Woensdrecht on Oct.26 FJR.6 was pushed to the north.
On Oct.27 Lt.Col.von der Heydte left is Regiment as he was reassigned to command the last German Para dropping of the war (Operation Stösser- Battle of the Bulge).
And what nobody seems to know, is that FJR.6 and Kampfgruppe Chill were actually assigned to sail to the Walcheren-Causeway.
FJR.6 minus 3rd Batallion and KG.Chill that would left as rearguard was to sent to the Walcheren-Causeway on Oct.31 from Benedensas.
And the rest would keep on fighting as long as they could hold Dinteloord and then follow or if needed join them sooner.
On Oct.31 the 2nd Canadian Infantry Div. reached the Walcheren-Causeway.
For the Germans all was in place.
The boats were safe and standby at the Zijpe refuge Port.
First Batallion of FJR.6 and one or two StuGs were already ferried the night before from the St.Philipsland Peninsula to that Port.
Third Batallion was still engaged and would follow later.
And FJR.6 itself was at Benedensas waiting for dusk to set in to embark.
If FJR.6 and Kampfgruppe Chill would pull the same stunt as the did prior, during and after 'Market-Garden' like at Woensdrecht, what could go wrong.
Like I said the Port of Antwerp became fully operational on the same day as the 'Battle of the Bulge' started.
But on november 26 the Eastern-Scheldt was declared mine free and that's when the Port became actually operational.
Now if the Germans had been able to hold on the Walcheren-Causeway for a week or even 2 weeks longer this would have had a tremendous impact on Allied logistics and planning.
And on getting sufficiënt supplies and men ashore to cope with the 'Battle of the Bulge' instead of only the use of the remaining Normandy artificial harbor and some minor Ports.
As Patton said at the start of the 'Bulge' " We could still lose this war ! ".
Well the reason why FJR.6 and Kampfgruppe Chill were never send to the Walcheren-Causeway but to Numansdorp and Dordrecht is this small Dutch Resistance Group.
My Granddad was one of them.
On Oct.30 just 4 days after the Battle for Woensdrecht they came under indirect Canadian command and were ordered to take and hold the ferry of Oud-Vossemeer until the Canadians would reach the other side at Nieuw-Vossemeer.
In doing so entire Island fell in Resistance hands without the Germans even noticing it or paying any attention to it.
That would became desasterous the next day.
Just 15 minutes before dusk half of the remaining 9.Coy./FJR.6 peddeld relaxed to Oud-Vossemeer and all became victom to an ambush which was the 3rd fight of that Resistance Group.
Not only that.
Suddenly the Germans realized that it would be impossible to sail in front of WN.402 at Stavenisse unnoticed.
Even during the night as the fairway is just yards away of that observation Post which overlooked a large part of the Eastern-Scheldt.
Oud-Vossemeer is the area where the Roosevelts decended from.
These are the men who fought against a Company of FJR.6 for 6 days behind enemy lines and not 6 hours.
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After that they served another 130 days on the Western Front line where they had to face raids by the German equivalent of the British Royal Marines Commandos.
Still barely armed not able to defend themselves properly, and dressed as civilians being captured which meant torture and execution.
After a brief parade on March 14 1945 they were send home never to hear of it again.
Most likely the majority never received even the Dutch Resistance Badge as the war ended 2 months later.
They just wanted to get on with their lives and forget all about it.
And never knew about who these troops actually were.
To them they seemed just regular German soldiars.
They felt it was their duty to aid the Allied advance as much as possible.
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You guys get to work? Sheesh, I've been stuck in my house for six months waiting for the plague to end or for more content like this to be published.
Y’all should look into the Britannia’s Fist trilogy by Tsouras
I find your discussion on the D Day beachs interesting because as a child I often went to the beach at Arromanche during the summer and sunbathing with old WW2 remnants around me never seemed strange for me, so I found it strange that you found it strange. Any beach in Normandy has at least a few germans fortifications and you have monuments, museums and military cemeteries everywhere in the area so people who live there are desensitised about it. Also tourism was already a big industry in the D Day landing areas before the war so tourism just continued after the war and now you have even more tourists.
26:47 Hold up? You can’t just mentioned that and act like you can’t explain what happened in the story
Ah yes, we didn't really explain that. The Berlin Zoo gets bombed and that lion escapes, and then it randomly comes across Martin Bormann in the street.
An idea chaps, you could upload the MP3 files of your discussions on soundcloud and then take your time making the video. I remember another podcast doing this so that they could do a regular schedule.
How to pronounce Bastogne: Good luck. I've also traveled to Belgium and spent a lot of time in Bastogne (including the hospital, long story) ... I've asked many people in Belgium how to pronounce it, I got many answers. There are more than one language spoke in Belgium ... French, Flemish, and in some eastern sections (like St. Vith) - German.
I know you guys are drowning in suggestions but have you thought of an episode on the Kennedy assassination, such as what if he survived, or what if ruby hadn't shot Oswald. Maybe you could also address the conspiracies.
Yes! That's a There's a short story compilation called "Alternate Kennedys". Doing an episode on that would be a good excuse to get deep into JFK assassination stuff.
@@TalkernateHistory The one with a cover like the Kennedys are a music group? That would be a fun episode.
Great job as always, a video focusing on the Ost front post Stalingrad would be great.
I'm waiting for them to check out the nightmare that is TNO
Suggestions for future Videos:
- What if Maria Theresia had to bow to her familys will and married Frederick the Great instead of Franz Stephan von Lothringen.
- What if Germany was formed under the German greater Solution (Großdeutschland which included Austria, Czechia, Slovenia and Istria)
- What if Germany was formed under Austria as "Großösterreich"
- What if Germany invaded Austria Hungary before WW1
- What if Germany went communist after WW1 instead of facist
They’ve filmed ‘a bridge too far’ in another place called Deventer and had an identical bridge.
I understand this is a little bit of snooping, but at 40:14 you can see some Mosfilm videos in the Talkernate History TH-cam account’s recommended. For those uninitiated, they were a movie house set up by the the U.S.S.R. which produced hundreds of Soviet films. Once the state collapsed, no one was around to claim the copyright of a now defunct state-produced media so they simply put the movies up on TH-cam. A decent set of them have full English subtitling. It’s a fine selection, if anyone is interested. It’s good to know our fine podcast hosts are Культурные товарищи.
You know, I've gotta say that "Static Defenses in the War of Maneuver" would be a great name for a book or something like that
I know you guys don’t do fan alternate histories but an interesting alternate history idea would be what if the Berlin blockade sparked ww3 a scenario where the allies have an Abundance of nukes with a bearly recovering armies while the soviet haven’t made nukes yet and have a full prepared army
Its been awhile. Im excited.
I know this is years late, but yall need to try and have Tsouras on an episode
Looking at the screencap at 1:07:21 I skimmed it and didn't realise what GMS stood for. Also I love the 'Alternate Dukakis' cover.
I love alternate history, but it makes it really awkward to discuss when authors start taking really reactionary bents and subtly or not so subtly start fawning over the Nazi or the CSA. Like, its one thing to dislike Stalin or even the Soviet Union in general, but some of it is John Birch tier lunacy. This isn't to say you can't enjoy campy althis with a reactionary bent (I sometimes do), but while reading all I can think is "Damn. Homeboy has issues".
thank goodness, a video without those filthy moving pictures
I'm curious. And you seem like the people to ask this. What do y'all think WW1 would have been like if Teddy Roosevelt won the presidency instead of Wilson? We would have joined way sooner I'd assume.
Do The New Order. It's a HoI4 mod about an Axis victory. I feel like it'd be right up your dudes alleys.
Why was i not Immediately notified that this was posted? unacceptable
55:15 kinda ironic seeing Truman's picture in the background
Ever heard of the new order: the last days of Europe. It’s awesome and dark make a great episode
This shit is so fucking good how do you guys only have 6k subscribers
I will never forget Labce Storm and the UNAMERICANS FACTION IN WWE
Now here’s something I wanted to see: alternate history Operation Bagration. I cant seem to ever find it
Love the content
Isby was a wargame designer for SPI back in the day.
The Italian-sounding pronunciation of Bastogne "Baston-ya" is a good reason people reading off foreign names should stick with Anglicization of names for things they aren't familiar with. Your consistent use of -ur for the French eu and German Ö or oe sounds like you did with "Murz" for Meuse are a good example. Will say it does sound really grating to people who actually know how it's pronounced though.
There were also Canadian Para's on -day you said only to American and one british
Took you long enough. I needed my fix
Ok I fully understand why they would honorarily name Monty the Viscount Alamein cuz he led the Royal Army through France...but seriously? His son inherited the title? SURELY they could've given him a different peerage.
Oh boy, time for some more of the boys! :D
Was that Mike Stoklasa!?
THEY HAVE RETURNED, YES
Recorded: June 6
Released: September 26
3 months and 20 days of editing?
The part of Belgium that speaks German is literally a chunk of the old Duchy of Luxembourg from before it was partitioned. Surprised you didn't know Belgium was mostly Flemish though? I guess the French have been the ruling class since Belgium was directly integrated as part of France during French Revolutionary Wars, so it makes sense you wouldn't I guess.