2024 Men's 90 mm All-Mountain Ski Comparison with SkiEssentials.com
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
- We switched up the format a bit and adopted the draft-style organization from our Bargain Basement series. Our picks aren't reflective of what we think are necessarily the best skis, we just thought it would be fun, so don't read too far into the order of skis.
Written Comparison: www.skiessentials.com/Chairli...
0:00 - Intro
3:30 - Black Crows Mirus Cor
10:20 - Salomon QST 92
15:30 - Nordica Enforcer 88
20:30 - Volkl Kendo 88
25:45 - Elan Ripstick 88
32:00 - Armada Declivity 92 Ti
37:40 - Blizzard Brahma 88
43:15 - K2 Mindbender 89Ti
48:25 - Head Kore 87
54:00 - Dynastar M-Cross 88
1:02:10 - Salomon Stance 90
1:08:25 - Atomic Maverick 88 Ti
1:14:55 - Stockli Stormrider 88
1:21:40 - Dynastar M-Pro 90
1:26:25 - Kastle MX 88
1:33:20 - Line Blade Optic 92
1:40:10 - Fischer Ranger 90
1:45:10 - Liberty Evolv 90
1:52:40 - Kastle ZX 92
1:57:05 - Armada Declivity 88 C
2:01:30 - K2 Mindbender 90 C
2:07:25 - Dynastar M-Free 90
I could watch a whole movie of Bob skiing bumps and trees!
This would be an interesting concept--a series of individual short films focusing just on our skiing. Kind of like a what's in your quiver video but with Jeff, Bob, Emily, Matt, etc.
Me 2
How much does bob squat…..600 lbs for 3 sets of 15?
@@SkiEssentialsNot sure if you got my reply to your question on timestamp for the "don't push on the uphill" comment I had made. I had actually made that comment on a totally different video, so wasn't sure how it ended up posted on your video. My apologies. I've deleted the post.
Recommenting here my retraction and apology just in case you didn't receive it before I deleted the other post.
I blame TH-cam! Can't even figure out how that got posted here.... 😅
Best ski comparison content in the game. This size ski is a quiver all its own, definitely worth the watch
I bought the Blade Optic 92 thanks to your reviews guys! Thank you very much for helping me find my ski
Awesome! Love that 92!
I love watching these. Thanks guys.
Glad you like them!
Fun video with choosing sides (skis). As I'm learning to truly carve I have thought about this category instead a true pure carving ski. These reviews are always valuable for understanding the true capability of a ski as well as the fun factor vs pure business aspects of a ski. Great stuff.
Thanks! Hope you find what you're looking for!
Loving the extra b-roll 👊
Thanks, again, for another awesome comparison! Just reinforced by decision to go QST 92 a few months ago (2023), although I almost went Declivity 92 (which I'm sure would have been great).
I enjoyed the draft-style here. slarvy-to-carvy also worked well in different scenarios.
Great Reviews!! Big list to choose from!!👌
It's a strong category for sure.
I would love a 90 MM twin tip ski comparison, bent 90 captis sort of skis ect Love both of you guys 👍🏽
Yup! It's on the list for sure!
The Armada Declivity 92 is 🔥🔥🔥
The POV thru the trees and follow cam stuff is really good guys. Feels like skiing them.
I have 3 of these in my quiver so love this category. Enf 88, Brahma and Dec 92ti. Tried the Kendo but didnt need it with the other 2 88s which I think ski each side of it feel wise, as you both suggested 😊
All of these are absolute weapons.
Thanks! Awesome set of skis too!
@scollyutube So you either own or have test drove the skis on my short list. for reference I ski a Enf93 east 80% East coast, absolutely love them. Looking for a narrower ski with the same basic ski attributes. My preference order if I were to buy today would be 1.K88 2. Enf88 3. Dec92 (seems so fun) 4.Brahma I think is a little more GS which is not my style. Do you think I would love the K88 or other...Thanks!!
@myowngig Yes, I own them over here in NZ so similar conditions to East coast snow too. Coincidently I started with the Enf 93 (177) and loved them also. Thought it was the best ski I had ever been on at that stage so I know where you are coming from 😉
I wanted slightly more feedback and a quicker edge to edge and took a risk and bought the then new Enf 88s (179) from these guys on sale. Now they are my most used ski. I'd definitely try them if you love your 93s as ski the same, just with the attributes of being narrower and still any type of turn at any time but even easier to carve. They still ski light new snow really well with that tip too. If you love your 93s, these will make you very happy I reckon.
I have the brahmas (177) also as they are even more directional and super car like overall and interestingly arent the ball ache SE make them out to be to ski. Im 6ft and only 140lbs and they rock on piste in all conditions, esp hard pack first up.
I bought the Dec92s (180) this year from SE again on sale, after skiing a whole day at Whistler this year on a mates and they were light, poppy and still reasonably strong with more turn initiation then my old Enf93s have for a similar waist width. I'll be selling the Enf93s now as these will replace them, leaving me with Enforcers at either side, I have Enf100s too for Japan and bigger snow days.
Demoed the Kendo 88 just to see and for me it wasnt as fun as the Enf88 in turn shape variability, and wasn't as easy to go stupid quick on edge as the Brahma. It felt a bit planky with less feedback, so inbetween those 2. It felt more like its brother the Deacon 84 than an all mountain shape to me. Could be the 3 radius sidecut thing and I needed more time to get used to it, but not as intuitive straight up for me to ski as the others are. Maybe it was stiffer overall but I don't have an issue with the Brahma so....
Hope that helps.
Perhaps, a left field idea too, Declivity 88c for narrower, lighter and fun, although won't have the top end of the ones on your list.
Good luck.
I watch all the comparisons, but waiting on the frontside video as that's going to be a focus for me in Verbier in January.
We'll get there!
The video I’ve been waiting for
Glad to have it done for you!
Loving the draft format. I need to get back on a ski in this class, narrowest I have now is a prodigy 2. I grew up skiing on boards like this and I think that something in this category would be way more fun than those factions on true low tide days. Skiing in CA these days.
They are SUPER fun - even out west here... My narrowest is a 98. Been on the 102-122 program for a decade now and that 88-92 feels so quick and easy, especially as they've taken the best of the rocker/camber/splay attributes off the wider skis...
Even though it's on the carvy side, the Kendo has a whole lot to offer and makes a nice balance for more flexible and wider skis like the Faction. It creates an excellent perspective on different ski styles and applications.
Well done gentlemen.---
Thanks, that was a fun one!
I have the Elan 96 Black Ripsticks. Best ski I ever owned. Pretty much does everything well.
Great to hear and totally agree!
I absolutely love these types of reviews! Thorough and honest are what we need. I am a heavier skier, finding info on weight comparison I find vital in making decisions... Thank you!! Bob, what is your number 1 pick for 1 ski quiver?
Thanks so much! For me to get one of these skis on this wall, I think I'd go with the Declivity 92 as a good mix of performance and friendliness. The QST 92 is tough to pass up but I think I'd like a little more carving.
Jeff really nailed it with his picks, I would love to have any ski on the left side!
No Jeff was wrong. Right side rules!
Hey guys,
fantastic review as always. I‘m looking to buy a new pair for the season, but i‘m a little lost right now. There are so much choices.
I‘m an advanced skier, 5‘9“ and 160lbs. I mainly ski in europe, 80% on piste and 20% off piste. I love skiing narrow turns and hitting deeper snow/small bumps on the side of the piste.
I‘m leaning towards the following skis:
- Elan Ripstick 88 172
- Salomon Qst 92 168
- Armada declivity 88c 168
I want a ski that‘s fun and reliable. It should be able to hold an edge on potentialy icy groomers and perform on crud/chopped up groomers on the afternoon.
I‘d be very open to other recomendations as well.
Thank you and keep up the great work.
If you're mainly on trail and do want some grip for firm snow, I'd narrow focus to the 88's. Of those, the Declivity is stiffer and more consistent from tip to tail so I'd look to that one first.
That's a really good review of the Stormrider 88. Great for very light chop and fresh corduroy. The 95 is the flagship ski in the Stockli Stormrider lineup- that thing is an absolute monster truck on train tracks. Plows through anything and is more torsionally stiff. Crazy edge hold in the 95
Love the 95! The 88 is great, but again, knowing about the Montero AR kind of kills its buzz.
Have 95 and unless you're on your toes, can toss you. Not a ski for a weak skier, in my opinion. @@SkiEssentials
I was wondering when the SR 88 changed its construction to make it more accessible. 2022 or 2023?
Wow super usefull!! I don’t know if I missed it but I would like to know your specs too 🙂 One seems to be bigger thanks the other, other than that it’s hard to say 😄 Thanks! 🤩👍
I love your explanation of the Mirus Cor! Funny bc Lucas Catania explained the Armada Whitewalker in the same way. It might not make total sense, but hey, it sure is fun. Same goes with the Arg UL lol
Now that i’m here I might as well ask. I am in the market for a second ski. I currently have the 22’ blackops Sender and while it is fun in crud and as Blister says, great for precision and energy, I want something more laidback when I want to chill. I’m 5’9” 160 lbs and have been looking at the Serpo, Camox and have entertained the Mirus Cor, for that second pair of skis i can just have fun on and not need to feel dialed in to enjoy. If they were ever on sale I like the idea of J skis fastforward or the Masterblaster but he never likes to discount lol. Anything helps!! Thanks in advance and for everything y’all do.
My skiing style gravitates towards working on my form in more of a finesse and smaller turns. I don’t charge often and enjoy a ski which doesn’t force me to be engaged 100% of the time.
There's a lot in that range that'd suit your needs. I've had a lot of fun and success on the Elan Ripstick 92 and the Salomon QST 92 for these more laid back types of purposes. The best part is that you don't lose a lot of performance--they're still very capable skis. Serpo is more stiff and reactive, and Camox might have some width crossovers with your Sender.
@@SkiEssentials thanks for the insight! I’ll have to demo the qst 92’s them. I actually demoed the ripstick 96’s and they were too laidback lol. I’ll see how the qst’s are! Have heard amazing reviews of them for this application
Love to see the Brahma still at the top of the list. I can’t think of another ski company with so many great skis on the market. I have a Brahma, Bonifide and Rustler 10 all in my quiver and find days to ski all of them at my home mountain of Mammoth.
Very comprehensive line for sure with a big emphasis on performance!
The Ranger 90, I've been trying to convince my dad to get this ski. He skis some old blizzard that are kinda beating him up a little. Great on piste with his friends his age. But when we ski toguether, he lives moghuls and trees ! I'm slowly trying to get him to convince himself that he would have more fun with some ranger 90. But you know how dads are 😂 if it doesnt come from him he doesnt believe it 😅 we'll get there eventually!
Good luck! A great bump and tree ski for sure.
Great job with your reviews guys. You’re way better than the Brit reviewers in your knowledge and ability. Well done.
Wow, thanks!
You’re great guys I found your channel by chance and I’ve to say it’s fantastic!!! I would have added to this list a mention for the Brahma 88 SP which is a great ski and less stiff, easier to turn compared to the normal 88, or at least that’s my personal impression having tried both. I live in Italy in the Alps and on slopes I see a lot of Brahma 88 SP around while really only very few Brahma 88. Love your channel, bye!
Agree! Great shape and a friendlier feel!
Hi Geoff and Bob, thanks again for excellent review - the best on the net. I just sold my Stockli Stormrider 88s and I am torn between the Armada Declivity's 88 C and 92 TI, the Dynastar M-Cross 88 and the salomon Stance 90. I will ski 80/20 piste/off piste, but sometimes the piste is pretty messed up with crowded slopes and other times 6" of new snow if its snowed overnight, since the piste bashers don't piste then. I am just under 6", 190 lbs I'd say advanced/expert (ex Army skier), but in my 60s now so not racing anymore :-) - I like to carve when pistes allow, and do short turns on the side of piste when its crowded. Where would you advise me to lean amongst those please - I did like the Stocklis, but making a change - for now anyway. Warm Regards, Nigel
Thanks Nigel!
I have a huge soft spot in my heart for the Declivity 88C. Even at 6/2 225, I've been super impressed with the ski' and it's ability to make shorter carved turns which I love to do. The 92Ti has more power, but maybe doesn't line up with more moderate speeds. I had a great time on M-Cross and Stance but really feel like the 88C is an overlooked ski.
I own the ZX 100 mounted with a Shift and a pair of MX 75’s. I have barely used the latter pair, but I hope they will complement each other well.
Nice! Very good setup.
Love the reviews! I was wondering what noticeable differences are there between the qst 92 and qst 98? I cant decide which one to get.
Other than width, the 98 has a lot more rocker, especially in the tail. The taper shape in the shovel is similar, while the tail of the 92 is more traditional. From a build perspective, the 98 uses cork in the tips and tails to smooth out the chatter, and that helps balance the excessive rocker and taper. The 92 doesn't need it because the tips and tails are closer to the snow. If you're not in soft snow most of the time, the 92 probably makes more sense overall. I LOVE that ski.
SE/Bob
Amazing content. Your videos led me to buying a set of Volkl Deacon 80's which I absolutely love, fkn awesome ski for carving and charging hard! Next I am eyeing up a bigger 'all mountain' ski to make a 2 ski quiver and for the snowier days. Can't decide between the Black Crow Justis or Mirus Cor. What are the key differences between these two models? 5 ft 10, 182lbs, advanced but aspiring to be expert level skier. Thanks guys
Mirus Cor is a playful groomer ski that loves to turn (even more than the Deacon), but I would never choose it for an all-mountain role. Definitely look at something in the 95-105mm range. Justis, sure. Declivity, Stance, Mantra, Ripstick - also good choices.
The Justis is a better complement to the Deacon 80--there's some crossover between the Mirus Cor and the Deacon in terms of what they prefer to do on the hill. Justis is still a surprising carver, but has the additional width and a good amount of tail rocker that allows it to be useable and a ton of fun in softer snow. The Justis also has a lot more directional of a shape and prefers to be used from tip to tail while the Mirus Cor prefers to be skied in the middle/central portion where there's metal a bit more.
Hey boys!! Thanks for the videos, guys are killin it! Having a hard time choosing between the enforcer 88 or Maverick 88ti. What do you think? Which do you prefer? 6’3” 215lbs. Thanks!!
We had a great time on the Maverick 88 last year--it was nice to put in some extra time on that ski in our VT early season. The Enforcer is still the heavier and stiffer of the two, so if you like that smooth, damp, and powerful feeling with no chatter whatsoever, the Enforcer is amazing. For a slightly more manageable and mobile ski, the Atomic makes a lot of sense, and still keeps the precision carving levels at a maximum.
In directional all mountain category you mentioned which skis have longest turn radius? You mentioned enforcer 88 as shortest. Thanks.
Surprising amount of people who skin inbound. Good to point it out.
True!
I ski with a group of guys who are all in our late sixties, and we all ski 50 plus days a year. All of us travel to out-of-town resorts but ski mostly on our home hill. We all have different models of Nordica Enforcer. I have an older 93 model that I call my SUV ski and the 100. I also have a Head I-Titan for carving on groomers and bought last summer a 22-23 Blizzard Rustler 11 for powder days (I really like this ski). I also bought last summer a 20-23 Nordica Enforcer 88 that I just love. I easily skied this ski more than any other pair. Our local hill has just been open on weekends this month, April and I am skiing the 88. I think it is a little quicker ski than the Enforcer 93. What I like about the Enforcer 88 over the Head I-Titan is its versatility. I think the 88 does a little bit better on the ungroomed runs that become pretty fun to ski after the sun warms them up just a little this time of year. These skis have no problem going all over the mountain on new snow days of 1-3 inches. Anything more than that I would probably ski on my Enforcer 93s unless it was a really good dump of say 6- 8 inches or more and I would then ski on the Blizzard Rustler 11. In the past when traveling by plane I have always taken my Enforcer 93 ski. Now depending on the snow forecast I probably will take either take the Enforcer 88 or the blizzard Rustler 11.
This is awesome feedback, thanks for sharing!
Looking for some advice on a few skis here: Ripstick 88, Kanjo 84 and Blaze 86/82. I ski the Poconos groomed trails and I’m looking for something different than a typical carving ski, more like a freeride or all mountain that still does well on groomers. Want something that’s just very easy to ski, very maneuverable, playful, fun, whatever! I’m guessing the Blaze is the most maneuverable of these but may not be as good on the hard stuff? Your thoughts on these or any other ski to consider? Very strong intermediate, 5’10”, 200. Also, you guys really set a high standard with these reviews, very informative! Thanks
Thank you! I do think there's a special place for the Ripstick in this application in that it's so easy and fun to ski yet holds a very strong edge for its weight. The Blaze series is great, but doesn't quite have the polish of the Ripstick. Kanjo is right there, too, but there's something about how the carbon tubes in the Elan makes the ski jump into and out of the turns with ease and poise. I'd say the 180 in that ski is tough to beat.
The Brahama 88 is such a blast to rip turns on the east coast!
Agreed! Each and every time we get on the Brahma 88 it's an eye-popping experience.
would you reccomend this as an east coast/NC ski? Looking for something for myself....and theres way too many choices.
@@Aidanburns13Yes, it's a great eastern ski as it has wonderful grip and a lot of power. If you're concerned about weight or stiffness, you can size down and still get most of the full experience without it feeling too demanding.
Hello guys, thank you very much for your videos, great stuff. I would like to ask for some advice, I have been skiing for 13 years, but since I arrived in Switzerland,I have gained a lot of experience both on piste and off piste. Every day I'm more and more interested in doing off piste if the conditions allow me to do so, but in Switzerland that doesn't always happen, so I'm looking for versatile skis on which I can progress my technique on piste but above all that are suitable for off piste and improve my technique there if the conditions allow me to do so. I like speed and short turns. I 29yo, 5’8”, 183 lb. Thank you very much!
it's tough to look past something like the Volkl Kendo for your application. Very stable and smooth at speed but also has versatility and a nice short turn radius. On the slightly more maneuverable side, check out K2's Mindbender 89Ti. I'd say the high 160's to low 170's in terms of length would work great.
Hi Jeff - great comparison. I am a 5'11 90kg advanced skier with a Dynastar m-menace 90 at 180 length and 92 under foot, radius 27m. I am looking for something a better on the piste/carving and also a bit more manoeuvrable, but that maintains some off-piste ability. Currently deciding between the QST 92 and the Declivity 92, and potentially the '24 Fischer Ranger blue (92). Do you have any suggestions?
The Declivity is the best carver on your list with a bit of off-piste capabilities. The QST is the most versatile. The Ranger doesn't feel as comprehensive as the other skis. I'd say decide if you want better carving (declivity) or better versatility (QST). Both are wonderful skis with slightly different applications and styles.
Hello guys! Great review for the 90 mm skis! I would like to ask you for an advise. I am from Europe and I am mostly skiing in Switzerland, 60% on-piste, 20% steep downhill, 20% powder. I am an intermediate to advance skier and I am very confuse and can't take a decision between the following skis, all of them look very nice and have nice characteristics:
-Atomic Maverick 88ti or 95ti
-Atomic Bent 90 or 100
-Salomon qst 92 or 98
-Dynastar M Free
-Black Crows Captis ( or another models if you have any better recomandation )
-Armada ARV 94
I prefer the floaty feel and the skis to be playful under my feet, being able to do short fast turns. However, for the moment I don't have any thought to go in the park with the skis. I would like some skis that are doing a little bit of carving but being floaty under foot, being able to go in the powder without problems, and to ski the steep mountains without being worried about the skis. Mostly I am searching for a ski to have fun with, I tried the atomic x9s and they are not my style, being very stick to the ground.
Mixing floaty, playful, and quick turns, I think the QST 92 makes a lot of sense. Captis and ARV 94 are great choices--one on either side of the 92 in terms of width, but the 92 really does a great job of handling a lot of different things and checking a lot of boxes.
I wiould be realy grateful if you guys gave little advide.Blizard rustler 10 or atomic Maverick.I like more playfull ski.That can handle vubration and have preformance in not deep snow but more on the softer side soft and in icy ungroomed conditions.
THanks in advance!
It sounds to me like you're leaning to the quieter and more stable Rustler. The Maverick is pretty stiff for how light it is and that usually does not indicate stability. Rustler, though, has a denser feel to it while still remaining playful due to the rocker and splay of the tips and tails. I'd lean to the Rustler.
I went with a 2024 K2 Disruptor ti2 WC PISTON w/Marker XCOMP Bindings. Stiff as the Blizzard Brahama's. Why I love them? The cut, 110/71/96, I've been skiing on 110/107/97's
I'm getting the Barnama 88's for powder.
Awesome, fast setups!
Great videos! Curious how you'd compare the QST 92 to the Stance 84. I'm looking for something close to a do it all ski for the Tahoe area mostly on trail for an intermediate skier with ambition to get better.
If you are more in search of adventure in an off-piste realm, I'd go with the 92 as it has more dramatic taper and rocker that allow for great float and easy mobility in tighter spots. The Stance 84 is a cleaner and more energetic carver on groomers with some off-trail capabilities. The 84 is more of an on-trail ski while the 92 is more appropriate for off-trail.
Hey guys, great video. I would love to get your help and recommendation.
I’m an experienced skier and I am looking for a ski that rips the piste. I love to ski fast and do long carves and short quick turns, but would also want a ski that gives me the ability to ski powder when conditions allow (like 20-30% of the time)
I’m 5:10 and 80kg - bonus for versatility as I like to pop jumps around the mountain and practice switch every now and then. But I rarely ski park anymore due to a hip replacement, hence why this video attracted me.
What skis should I take a look at? This will be my “get around the mountain” 1 ski quiver
Appreciate you guys. Your channel rocks 🤟🏻
Thanks, and I think you're in the right place with this category. It's tough to look past the Kendo when you're talking about ripping the piste and varying turn shape and styles. It's a decent soft snow ski, but nothing like the QST or the Blade Optic 92. For a bit more of a freeride/creative feel without losing too much when it comes to performance, I'd also take a square look at the K2 Mindbender 89Ti. Nice crisp carver with some more versatility built in as it's not full-metal like the Kendo.
@@SkiEssentials amazing, gonna take a look at them. The QST and Mindbender were on my list after watching this and I'm edging towards these. I am curious as to why you went for these options and the Kendo and Blade, over the Armada Decliovity 92ti and the Atomic Maverick 88ti? As they were also on my radar, or am I making the wrong choice with those 2? What would be the reason you didn't opt for them? Appreciate you guys
Thanks for this video. I am looking for a one ski quiver for all NE terrian. Currently on Volkl RTM 163 from 2017. Want more playful and easier in bumps. Narrowing down to the Ripstick 88 164 but notice the price difference with the Armada Declivity 88 c is significant ($400?). Probably the 168 for me. Can you comment on how much more that money gets you with the Ripstick? Thanks much.
You may be seeing two different years--we have both 2024's for the same price on our site at $699ish. I put them very much on the same level in terms of performance, application, and overall snow feel and would be happy skiing either any/all days of the year here in VT. If you're getting a $400 break on either one, get it.
Thanks for your explanations. Currently I have K2 Ikonic 84, I want to update my skis, I`m in middle of choosing Vokl kendo 88 and Head Kore 93. Which one do you recommend me according to current skis I have?
Love the iKonic 84! It was one of my first reviews here at SE back in 2017: th-cam.com/video/LPRAjYT9gV0/w-d-xo.html
For an update, the Kendo will feel more similar--very carvy but with some fun built in. Kore is a different style of ski with a very light weight and a very stiff flex. The precision of the Kendo matches that of the K2, but with some extra width, rocker, and roundness for more off-piste versatility.
So would it be safe to say if it was before that the Storm Rider 88 is no longer a better nicer version of the Brahma 88? Sounds like it is more easy going but less top end now...
I'd keep "nicer" with the Stormrider, and it's always been more accessible than the Brahma, just with a bigger range, and that's part of the appeal with the Stockli for sure. But sure, the high end of the Brahma is higher than that of the Stormrider.
Hey guys,
thanks for this comparison. My personal favorite is the Kästle MX88, but I'm not sure which length to choose. I'm about 191cm (6.3) tall and weigh about 85 kg, and I'm a mix of intermediate and experienced skier. Witch lenght would you guys recommend me?
I'd go with the 180 in this ski. If you go longer, it is very demanding. I think that due to the burly build of the 88, you can size down comfortably as the stability and power are built in.
I’m a 75kg/165lbs 5ft 8in male skier. Like to carve wide on the slopes mainly and ride switch, little play in the park l, not off piste, and reasonable skier. Prefer riding with twin tips. Would the Volkl Revolt 86 or Salomon QST or Stance be better, or somemething else. I feel the 90+ skis are too wide for piste and I’ve always ridden TenEighty skis that are 80 under foot.
What would you recommend as a good ski for me? Short turn radius would be nice 14-16 maybe?
You're looking for a pretty rare combination here--more of a commentary on the market today than anything else. You can get a Head Oblivion 84 twin tip, but it has a long radius. Same with Revolt 86. Twin tips don't get that interesting/versatile until that 90mm threshold, at which point you're opening up a lot of possibilities. Atomic Bent 90, Elan Playmaker 91, Black Crows Captis, Line Tom Wallisch Pro, or Armada ARV 88 are all right up there with the top performers. I think you'll either have to sacrifice a narrower waist or a short radius to get what you are looking for.
Really conflicted between the Armada Declivity 92 Ti and the Elan Rispstick 96 black edition, I like pushing my skis on piste but at the same type I enjoy having a more playful experience on the side of the trail and off piste, any tips would be much appreciated!
It's tough to argue against the Declivity vs. any ski, but the Black Edition is a good comparison. you'll get more responsive, smoother, and quieter performance out of the Armada in an on-piste situation. It doesn't feel as mobile in tighter spots as the Elan, but I think the tradeoff is worth it.
I have a Nordica Navigator 90 at 186cm and as I am getting older and fatter (183cm and 105kg now) I feel I cannot perform at the same level throughout the day. It is a very nice and fast ski but as I am getting tired it is getting more difficult especially to manoeuvre on narrow parts or trees.
I am thinking of switching to the Armada Declivity 88c, 92ti or the Black Crows Serpo.
I have tried the Armada Declivity 82ti @ 174cm and it felt amazing but a little short compared to the Navigator @ 186cm, but that is something I wouldn't probably noticed if I hadn't compared them one after the other, idk
What would you suggest for an all day (mainly on-piste) ski? and should I go shorter?
Thank you
If you liked the overall feel of the Declivity 82, I'd say the bump to the 92 would be right on the money in the 180. Serpo in 180 is a great choice as well, it's a slightly more energetic and poppy and somewhat louder version of the Declivity, which we find to be very quiet and smooth.
I'm torn between the 24' Rustler 9 and 24' QST 92. I am 5'10" 200lbs expert skier and ski mostly in central NY, VT & Maine. I like to do it all, park, bumps, trees, switch. I also dont ski fast and hate to carve and prefer to make lots of little turns. Any help picking between the Rustler 9 in 180cm or QST 92 would be appreciated.
Sounds like a QST skier to me. The Rustler prefers to carve and go faster more so than the QST. The Salomon is an incredibly versatile and useful ski for a huge range of skier, I'd go that route in the 176.
Anyone experienced both MB 89 TI and Declivity 88 C? How different do they feel? Sizing seems very similar at tip and tail.
The 89Ti pulls you through rounder turns easily while the carbon-powered Declivity is very happy in shorter more skidded turns. That's more my style, so I do like them a whole lot. At speed, and under more duress, the K2 will handle more input, but you do have to work harder to get it.
Hi thanks for the vid. I am currently looking at getting new skis and debating between the QST 92, blizzard rustler 9, or the k2 mindbender 96c. I ski in Europe and generally ski 70% piste and 30% off piste but will always try and go offpiste if there’s good snow. Therefore im looking for an all mountain ski that can do a bit of everything. What ski do you think will be best in these conditions and is there any others that you would recommend? Thank you
There's a lot to like about the QST 92 for a mix of on and off piste skiing. If you want a bit more carving, the Black Crows Serpo or the Armada Declivity 92 are amazing.
@@SkiEssentials thanks guys, really appreciate your help
How would you compare/contrast the Stance and Declivity? Which does the staff prefer?
Pretty close split among the staff. I'd say that everyone likes Declivity while most like Stance. Nobody dislikes either, but the general difference is that the Declivity stores energy better and releases it with more authority. The Stance is predictable, traditional, and has no weaknesses, but it is not quite as exciting as the Armada.
@@SkiEssentials makes sense - thanks!
Best carver that doesn't completely compromise versatility? Mindbender 89Ti or Kendo 88 or something else? Also I tend to lean towards shorter radius than longer (15-17m) and would be nice if the ski works at lower speeds too. I have the Ripstick 88 but I miss the damping of metal in a ski. I also have the Stance 90 but the radius is just longish. So something in between those and the two I mentioned seem to stand out as "in between"
KORE 87 is worth more than just a look imho. It works well on high edge angles and barely has a performance limitation, it's a phenomenal carver at this width. It's also easy to do quick skidded turns with. Depending on the length you're on, you're even going sub 15m (i had the 171 which had 14,3m). You can ski it at shallower angles and less speed as well, it doesn't require a certain speed to work. I only replaced it because i'm too light (55kg/120lb) and it took me a lot of work and energy to get it working, but i loved it to the moon and back for what it's offering. I got a Ripstick 88 last season and like that for different reasons, and i don't think it's a fair comparison to the KORE 87, in fact i think they are complementing each other very well.
Thinking outside the box, the Mirus Cor is a great carver as well, but it's very different to everything else. I'll pull the trigger on that one this season to complement my Divus, Ripstick 88 and ZX 100, partly because i miss the short radius of the KORE.
@@patrion6028 I'm somewhat on the lighter side too at 70kg/155lbs
@@Tirppa That should work if you ask me. Give it a shot, maybe demo one if you have the chance. How tall are you?
Another interesting contendor for what you're looking, and i'm a bit biased towards the KORE for above reasons, would be the M-Cross. Given the characteristics Jeff and Bob are pointing out, i wouldn't skew over that option.
@@patrion6028 I'm 175/5'9".. The M-Cross was on my list and it kinda does look like in a way Ripstick with metal under foot. But I'm afraid it doesn't hold up if I really wanna open up. I don't know if I'm looking for a unicorn in a ski that can be skied laid back but can handle speed and harder conditions if needed and can still also do some trees and shallow soft snow.
@@TirppaIt surely looks like the search for a unicorn :) If you're really looking for the best carver, the soft snow performance will always take a hit. If the radius is more what you're concerned about, and you're not looking for the very end of the spectrum of the performance, it might become a different conversation. I would not be hesitant to throw in the QST 92, as that ski hits a lot of what you're looking for and comes in a 15 m radius in the 176 length, which would be perfect for that ski and your hight.
If the top end performance and the radius is something you look for and value over a the wide range and versatility of the QST, i'm sure you'll be very happy with a KORE 87 in 170cm. That will come in just shy of the 15m radius at 14,8, but the carving ceiling is just out of the world for your weight and height. At shallower angles, trees and a bit of soft snow won't be an issue, but the highlight will for sure be the on trail performance. If your're looking for 80 carving /20 rest, go KORE. If its 65 / 35 of even more towards the rest, i wouldn't recommend the KORE.
Curious what @Skiessentials.com opinion is on the matter :)
Haven’t skied in 10 years. Live East and would ski weekly and would go west for a week or 2 once a year. Looking to get back in it. Would the Elan mentioned on the video be a good fit for me? I’m 6’0 220 and like to go off piste and use the whole mountain but being east do a lot of groomers
Yup! Super easy and engaging to ski. Light yet energetic--they do a great job with the build and sophistication. Great groomer ski and has some western versatility for sure. I'd go 180 in that ski.
anyone of you ever skied the libtech wreckreate 92? Very interested if the magnetraction works on skis, seems to be very interesting to me
Have not tried that. I think it should work, as the snowboard tech certainly filters into ski tech in other areas!
Would you prefer the stance 90 or mindbender 89 for softer snow off trail (bowls, trees etc.)?
I'd rather ski the Stance in those zones. On firmer snow and groomers, the K2 is more engaging, but the Stance is more versatile and incredibly rewarding in the trees and bumps.
Which of these ski would you say is the best in the bumps for a powerful skier who skis a bit like your ex coworker Matt? I feel like its between Dynastar M-pro 90 and Stockli Stormrider 88.
The Dynastar is great for powerful skiers because it has a supportive tail. Stockli is similar in flex, but it's less tapered so it's more catchy in the bumps. I'd rather ski the M-Pro. Also love the K2 in the bumps a whole lot in this segment.
I'm a Santa Ana 88 172 owner, I went with the SA because I wanted more versatility for moguls and packed out trees. I have to ski it slower because it's not stable at high speeds, I would need more ski. That being said, I'm looking at the Enforcer 88, I've already skied it. my concerns are it's heavier, it's stiffer, so I would be giving up some versatility, but the gain would be more stability at speed. It's a tough call as to which ski to purchase. I need a new SA but I also want the Enforcer strength at speed. What to do?
There's not a whole lot in between the two, but I'd at least check out a Volkl Kendo/Kenja (same ski) for comparison. I've often found that if you're worried about leaving performance on the table to opt for the stronger ski so you never feel regret about getting the lesser ski.
with the head kore 87. about what weight do you speak of that you have problems to bend it?
at the momentan, i have the kore 99 and im thinking about it to change them to a 87 or 93 to get a bit more agility on piste. im 96kilos so thats why am asking.
I'm about 100kg and find the 87 to be more twitchy than my 93's. I'd go 93 if you want to go narrower in the Kore--I feel the 87 is too narrow for this ski's build for people our weight.
Oh boy is this great ❄️⛷SKIS SKIS SKIS and more SKIS
It seems all roads lead to the Mirus Cor (especially for Jeff) - as something truly standout, fun, unique.
Would you recommend 184 for an Advanced skier, 175lbs, 6’1”?
I'd think that'd work great. Very fun skis!
Is the Mpro 90 like a lighter enforcer 88? Similar shape? How much groomer performance is lost in the mpro 90 vs the enforcer 88?
Thank you!
Kind of but not really. The Enforcer is more of a traditional build with a dense wood core and two sheets of metal. The M-Pro has a modern hybrid core consisting of a central spine of wood and polyurethane material on the outsides. M-Pro also has a single layer of titanal on top that is full width underfoot and almost through the tail. The shovel is where the skis are the most different as a result, as the M-Pro has less/zero metal in the very front and a longer rocker profile and a less tapered shape. This makes the Dynastar easier to maneuver and initiate turns, especially in softer snow while the Enforcer prefers to hook in to the carve and bring you right through. The tails are both stiff and responsive, it's mainly the front third of the ski where we see the biggest difference.
At 185cm, 200lbs, strong and quite athletic, do you think the brahma 88 would suffise in 177cm? Or would 183cm be a better length? I know it’s personal preference, but stillnot sure which one to pick
I think it's okay to go a bit short on these skis. The 183 is still right there at head high for you. If you want to tap into the shorter turning potential of the ski the 177 is a good way to go. For longer and more drawn out carves, plus the added weight and stability, the 183 will do better.
I just bought a pair of Renoun endurance 88 but haven't gotten out on them yet. Any thoughts on those as compared to Kendo 88?
The Kendo is incredibly precise and sharp with more of a metallic feel and sound. My guess is that the performance will be at the same level, they'll just have a different snow feel.
Kastle MX88 is one precise powerful ski! Not for everyone. I have a pair on order.
Enjoy!
Which set of skis would you recommend for me? I’m 54, pretty good shape, west coast skiing, beginner-intermediate. Mostly groomed and powder. QST 92? Just want to ski and have fun. Not a daredevil. Thanks
Yup! QST 92 is a fantastic choice. Fun, easy, and incredibly confident.
Which of these would you say most directly compares to the rossi Black Ops 92? Would you say that that ski is a better on trail performer than the qst 92?
The Dynastar M-Free 90 is pretty darn close to the Black Ops 92. The Line Blade Optic 92 is right there as well. I do not think that any of these skis are better on-trail performers than the QST 92.
I am still wondering about the Mirus Cor, I am often about to pull the trigger on them but then I remember I weigh like two Jeffs and the most proper skis for my snow is FIS SL and I just cant do it…damn…
If you can believe it, you can achieve it!
@@SkiEssentials LOL dude it isn’t about believing, it is about the damn things folding in half when I push them..😂😂😂
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Im trying to decide between the Fischer Ranger 90 and the Elan ripstick 88. Im an 5ft 7 and 165lbs intermediate skier who wants to Progress his carving, I stay most of my time on the groomers but when there is Good Snow i Like to Go in the trees and the bumps.
Maybe Someone of you can help me with my decision.
Thank you guys!
Personally, I've had a much better experience on the Ripstick. The Ranger is fine but I've never really found a connection with it. The Ripstick, however, is light, energetic, grippy, poppy, and a ton of fun in a carved turn. It's also amazing in the trees and bumps--hard for me to vote for Ranger when stacked up against Ripstick!
Hi Guys good job, I ski a Ikonic 84ti which works well except on firm snow. It has a similar metal shape as this new mindbender 89ti. Will it be better on the frontside than the Ikonic 84 ti
By the books, the iKonic should be a better firm snow ski than the Mindbender, but I've had overwhelmingly positive experiences on the front side with the 89Ti--nice short radius and very grippy--a lot of fun on the groomers. Sure, narrower skis are going to handle very firm snow better, but if you're using this in more of an all-mountain format, the 89Ti carves great for the width.
@@SkiEssentials Thxs guys
...and here we go with the annual 5 stages of MX 88. Denial of my imprecise technique, anger at the moving help and pickup game micro injuries that sapped me of my athleticism, bargaining that I could switch to Epic and only ski Beaver Creek's groomers, depression that if I bought them I'd ski them once and never again and acceptance of my mid-charge, sloppy skiing style.
I like the trees too much to waste my time and money on MX 88s...I tell myself.
Ha! The MX 88 certainly rewards good technique as much as it punishes poor. I do think the Liberty Evolv 90 is worth a try if you can get your hands on it, mainly melding the precision and power of the Kastle with the slight increase in accessibility.
i ski a blade optic 92,168 cm ,5 9 150 .Would you recommend a 173 or 168.I see you have a late season deal
I'd go a bit shorter based on your stats.
What would your opinion be on buying some Volkl revolt 96 as all mountain skis?
They're pretty fun! There are some limitations, but if you're a skilled skier you can pretty much make them do everything. For more of a directional performance, you should mount them further back than the line indicates--maybe a -4 in order to unlock the versatility. I loved them in short, round carved turns, and while there's some heft to the ski, it feels great in softer snow, trees, and bumps.
Hi guys, I live in Europe and going to be living in Andorra for the ski season and wanted to get myself a pair of solid all mountain skis as I tend to ski about 80/20 on/off piste as well as hit a few jumps and bumps on the sides of runs and venture into the park at times. I do like to carve and hit high speeds and was hoping for any suggestions on a pair of skis that can just about do all of the above. From carving on piste to staying afloat off piste and be relatively playful when it comes to jumps and hittin bumps. Any suggestions would be awesome
In this zone, I'd take a square look at the Armada Declivity 92. It does a fantastic job of blending on-trail performance with off-piste adventure. Salomon's QST 92 leans a bit more to the playful side, but still feels very solid and sturdy underfoot.
@@SkiEssentials awesome thanks guys! I actually ordered the armada declivity series ski before seeing this comment so hopefully picked the right one for me! Cant wait to give it a run
@@SkiEssentials I actually got the 88C declivitys from 2023 as found a super good deal but I think there is just a graphic change from the 2023/2024 models. What would be the main differences between the 88C and 92TI despite weight and materials. This could be a great video comparison you guys could possibly make for the future
@@MrMinecraftGamer012Yes just a graphic change, so good job with the deal!
Hi guys i have a question regarding the armadas. I need a more detailed comparison between the two
The 88C has a surprising ceiling. It's stiff and responsive and incredibly versatile. The 92 is stronger and suitable for more aggressive skiing, but I do think that there's a lot of skiers out there who will be far better served by the 88 than the 92, even though it's wider, the 92 feels like it's more locked in to more on-piste skiing.
What would be the most similar ski to unleashed 98 but in a width closer to 90mm?
I wish I could say the Unleashed 90, but the different build keeps it in a different spot--not to mention it doesn't come long enough for bigger skiers like me 😂. Check out the Black Crows Captis and Mirus Cor first, and then the Armada ARV 94 (a bit wider than desired but there's not a whole lot here!).
Any chance you guys will review skis from Moment? :D
Hopefully we'll get on some this year!
Does anybody know the difference between this “90mm” video and the previous “mid 90mm” video ? I don’t get the difference between these two types of skis (non English native speaker here)
From a numbers standpoint, the 90 covers skis from about 88 to 92 mm underfoot while the mid-90's contains the 93's to about 97. Most skis in the narrower category are better when used on-piste while the mid-90's have some more all-mountain and off-piste versatility to them.
@@SkiEssentials thank you for your answer, that was that simple ! sorry for asking
I need to go ahead and pull the trigger but can’t decide between the Armada Declivity 92ti or the Atomic Maverick 88ti. I can get a good deal on both but every time I do a pros and cons it’s a tie! Already have the Maverick 100’s and love them but the Declivity’s were my favorite demo last year 🤔 decision’s, decision’s.
If you go with the maverick, it's going to be more of the same--predictable and known. The Declivity, which it sounds like you really like, is more different--perhaps this is the time to branch out and try something new!
Just started working at a ski shop and holy moly these videos are so helpful! Never going to hem and haw when someone asks me how a ski we carry compares to one we don’t.
Dang it now I might spend my next paycheck on one of these.
Do it! that's what working in a ski shop is all about!
Love your Videos! But one thing i could never figure out. I am from Germany so excuse my Englisch. I am 49 years old and i dont carve but i dont know how to explain in Englisch but in german its called Wedeln. Old scool stile like Mono ski only with two Skis 😂. I am 176 lbs 5“10 pro expert level, 90% groomers. Wich width is best for me. I was thinking about stökli 95 stormrider or montero ar. I Ski a sl Race carver 165 at the moment wich gets Hard to Ski wen the conditions get worse.
I'd say the mid-80's for more Wedling style. Volkl Kanjo 84 and Dynastar M-Pro 85 will fit this need very well!
thanks! The montero ax would also do the Job?
@@ingojung6134 Yes, narrow, quick, and agile from edge to edge. You can definitely ski them in the manner in which you're describing.
Hi Ingo, ich bin aus der Schweiz und finde es auch immer witzig, was Nordamerika als "All Mountain" bezeichnet. Schau dir vielleicht mal einen Rossi Forza 70 an, vielleicht sogar den Master. Wir haben selten sooo viel Neuschnee auf der Piste wie in Übersee. Also muss es aus meiner Sicht nicht unbedingt ein 90er sein. es gibt viele gute Skier zw. 75 und 85. Wenn du die Möglichkeit hast, schau mal ins aktuelle Skimagazin, da haben sie gerade einen Vergleich mit etwas breiteren Skier drin. Da ist definitv auch einer für dich dabei.
Ich habe 5 Paar Skier zu Hause stehen alle zw. 65 und 94mm breite und suche auch noch einen um die 80. Mal schauen was es wird.
Qst92 vs qst98 vs stance 96? I Ski out west (whistler, stevens, mt baker) also any reccomendations for length I'm 5'7 approaching advanced level
The 98 is by far the floatiest of the bunch due to the extended taper shape and rocker profile. If you find yourself in deeper or softer snow most of the time, that's a fantastic choice. The 96 is sturdier and a better carver, while the 92 is quicker and poppier for mostly on-trail skiing but also is great in bumps and packed trees. I think the 98 is the way to go if you ski in the PNW as it seems like soft snow is a majority.
@SkiEssentials what length would you reccomend? Also kinda a random question, jeff use to use sweet protection goggles and helmet was wondering what goggles he used.
You guys going to do a front side carver comparison video?
Probably two. Working on a wide front side right now--75 to 82 mm and then moving narrower after that--68 to 75.
@@SkiEssentials Sweet! Thanks.
Am I right if I feel that you do not recommend the the SR88 for a heavier advanced skier for eating piste kilometers without burning legs?
I think it's fine--it's on the lighter side so it's not terribly demanding. Heavier skiers, if they want super solid performance, may want to look heavier to skis like the Enforcer 88 or the Kendo, but the Stockli is easier to ski than those.
@@SkiEssentials Thank you for the answer. After a huge amount of videos and reviews I got closer to the SR95 in a shorter version. I would like to use it as an all-week-long fat resort carver for variable conditions, but no off-piste. Does it makes sense? TIA
@@arpadhamori711 Yup! so incredibly smooth and with a ton of confidence.
@@SkiEssentials Thank you for the confirmation. I got to the point of no return!
I was disappointed to hear Matt referred to as a former co-worker. If this is the same Matt that helped out in some Top 5 Fridays and bike reviews over the summer, I'm sorry to see him go. He was very helpful to me in his customer service role during some prior purchases, and seemed to be a good addition to your team.
Fear not! We actually probably have about 5 former co-workers named Matt. The one you're talking about is still here and will continue to be a big part of content and service moving forward.
@@SkiEssentials Really glad to hear this!! Wishing you all a great ski season!
What glades are those that you guys hit on the black crows?
Not tellin.
Can you compare the black crow to the declivity
More similarities than differences between the 92 Ti and the Serpo. The Black Crows has a bit more of a directional mentality to it, with a flatter and more squared-off tail versus the rounder and slightly spoonier shape of the Declivity. If you're on trail more, the Serpo has a wonderful energy to it, not that the Declivity doesn't, but it really stands out in terms of rebound and pop with the Serpo. I'd say the Declivity is a bit more versatile and functions better in crud, chop, and other messy snow conditions.
The Atomic Mavericks - I'm getting reports (fomr official channels and social channels) that the base design of the series with the cut colour design is inferior to a plain black - any thoughts from you guys?
We have not heard such things. Inferior in performance or durability or both?
@@SkiEssentials Thanks for replying - this was a reply I received via the company buyer I purchased mine from after I enquired about why mine had a plain base but the marketing images globally had the iconic branding… “Also I heard back about those Atomic skis, it was a mistake from Atomic the bases are meant to be black but they took the images from an early sample which had the orange base. All the skis that went into production have the black base they made a mistake and didnt update the images they sent out to everyone, and themselves" The buyer did say "the plain black base will be faster as bases that have cut colour sections are made from different types of material ".
Where would Rossignol Sender 94 Ti be on this list?
It's on this list!
www.skiessentials.com/Chairlift-Chat/2024-mens-mid-90mm-all-mountain-ski-comparison?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiArfauBhApEiwAeoB7qEP8TGAacbgAaODxu2hyoTSwdK14r4252iCSAxyuqUGVtywew77OjRoCJ68QAvD_BwE
Any reasons for not including the black crows captis??
It was stated at the start, will be in the 90mm Twin Tip comparison.
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Bob seems to bend every ski so easily.
I've bent a lot of skis in my lifetime.
Peak 88..no review?? Not good enough or not big brand enough? Please advise. Thanks.
Peak 88 is direct to consumer. I think they review brands that they have experience with and sell. The SE reviews are awesome and comprehensive but nobody can cover them sll
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Copy that. That makes sense. Thanks.
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I get that flex in skis is a big deal, and where it flex matters too, but I don’t really know what it means.
Stiffer skis generally have to be driven harder to access the higher end of the performance spectrum. Softer skis don't need as much input. It's partly about style and mostly about how a ski reacts to energy going in.
Ranger vs stance?
The Stance has better tip to tail consistency and energy. While the Ranger has a strong underfoot zone, it's not as engaging in the tips or tails, putting the Stance a bit higher on the carving perspective. Off-trail and in softer snow, the Ranger holds up pretty well, but overall, the blend of pop and composure of the Stance is more satisfying and rewarding.
Any ski recommendation for guy that is 6,7 -275 lbs. Not very advanced
Despite your level, your size indicates that you can get something sturdy. I like the K2 Mindbender 89 Ti or the Armada Declivity 92 for your application--some metal for stability, but not a ton that'll make it difficult.
@@SkiEssentials Thank you👍. I really appreciate that you take time too answer me. I can Get the k2 where i live so i will go for the 188 cm as iam 205 cm.
Why do you never review Peak skis? I haven’t seen it.
We are not a Peak dealer, they are direct to consumer, so other than some minor analytics boost we'll get on our YT channel, there's not a huge benefit for us to review these skis. From what I can tell, they look perfectly wonderful and well-crafted!
Thank you for that reply. Appreciate the openness.@@SkiEssentials
No J Skis?
Which one do you think would fit in to this wall the best?